WEBVTT - A Conversation with the Jets' Historic 2000 Draft Class 25 Years Later - Part 2: Chad Pennington, Anthony Becht & Laveranues Coles 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.320 Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:04.680 I Eat, Breathe, and Sleep The New York Jets. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.760 My team that is a tightrope walk across Niagara Fall. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.560 That's hard to do, say name of inches, So finding 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.200 that one little inch to be successful, it all matters. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.639 The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendra Scott, the 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.080 jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good. Shop Game 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.120 Day Ready, jewelry styles and so much more at kendrascott 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.799 dot com. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.120 Hey everybody. This week on the Jets will bark on 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.880 their first draft with GM Darren Mugy and head coach 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.840 Aaron Glenn. The organization will also celebrate the twenty fifth 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.200 anniversary of a franchise altering draft class. The Jets became 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.480 the only team in the Common Draft era to make 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:49.400 four first round picks. Bill Parcells and personnel director Dick 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:54.560 Haley drafted defensive end Shawn Ellis, edge John Abraham, quarterback 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:59.160 Chad Pennington, and tight on Anthony Becked. Ellis, a Tennessee product, 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.200 went number twelve overall. Abraham has starred South Carolina went 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.480 right behind at number thirteen. Pennington was taken eighteenth, and 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:12.840 Becked went twenty seventh. While the four first rounders were unprecedented, 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.399 the Jets also got a fifth ace in the two 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.959 thousand class when they selected wide receiver Lavernias Cols in 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.520 the third round. It was Woody Johnson's first draft as 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.479 an owner, and the Jets grab five players who would 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.720 line up in forty two playoff games for the Green 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.840 and White, plus five hundred and fifteen regular season contests. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.800 On this very special installment of the Official dut podcast, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:43.240 we look back at the jets historic two thousand draft class. CP. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.720 Can you believe it's been twenty five years since you 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:46.360 were drafted? 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:48.640 Uh? 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.920 No, I cannot. That means that you know, some people 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.520 have kids in the in the league that I knew, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.840 and it's crazy. We were talking about this the other day, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.280 just to think about how fast twenty five years goes 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.240 by is unbelievable. But certainly a special time in my 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:07.000 life for sure. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.840 What was the pre draft process like And did you 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.520 get an inkling during that time that hey, I might 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.080 be a Jet? You know what? 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.800 No inkling? Really, I only had the inkling once I 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.240 was drafted and thought back through the process. But really 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.480 all the talk was about Pittsburgh and San Francisco, and 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:31.600 so that was the two private workouts I had, and 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.440 a lot of the talk just around the media about that, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.359 but I do remember having one of my formal interviews 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.160 with the Jets, and so that kind of once I 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.640 thought about that process after I was drafted, I said, Okay, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.760 it makes sense. Al Grow also knew my head coach, 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.919 Bob Pruitt. Bob Pruitt worked for al Grow in college, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.280 so there was a relationship there, so they could probably 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.600 gather the information they needed to make the decision on 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:55.560 whether or not to draft me. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.120 What were your memories that interview as far as the 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.640 Jets talking to you and who was there, who were 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:03.560 the participants. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:10.160 Yeah, good luck on me remembering that. I would you 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.800 do remember, Just it's probably in your own mind more 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:18.200 than it is anything. But it's it's a I don't 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.760 know if the right word is intense, but it's certainly 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.760 a professional environment, one of the first ones that you 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.520 know I was able to step into to truly have 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.560 an interview. But I was prepared. I feel like IMG, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.160 who represented me at the time, prepared me for those 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.720 types of things, and we did some mack interviews and 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.920 things like that. But it's from top to bottom, whether 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.880 it be football, life, decision making everything in between, because 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.280 it's a huge decision for the organization to make and 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.720 they're trying to gather as much information as they can, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.160 and so I just remember trying to be as honest 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.080 as I could and put my best foot forward as 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.080 far as who I was, not only as a football player, 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:57.800 but as a person. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.280 Where were you draft day? It's round one, and who 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:02.839 were you with? 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.640 Yeah, so I was asked to come to New York, 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.800 but I just didn't that can go one way or 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.360 the other, especially during those times, and so I didn't 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.560 feel comfortable doing that. I didn't want to have an 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.599 Aaron Rodgers moment, so to speak. Uh you know where 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.560 you fall in all eyes are on you while you're 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.360 sitting there in the room, Because I really wanted to 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:26.480 be a celebration of one having the opportunity to be drafted. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.040 That that's you know that we take that for granted, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.640 that doesn't that's rare, and so I wanted to be 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.359 able to celebrate that, enjoy that moment, and then also 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.280 enjoy it with all of the people, both family and friends, 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.359 that I felt like had been a part of my 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.480 life and part of my development, and I just felt 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.120 like to be able to do that. The best way 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.359 to do that was go to Norse Lake in the 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.400 fall at Tennessee, where I spent my summers, rent a 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.279 houseboat and after draft, after I was drafted, to get 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.840 on the houseboat and go down the lake and have 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.640 a good time with family and friends. And so that's 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:58.120 what we did. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:00.240 How many people were. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:06.039 Oh, my goodness, I would say, Gosha, I would say 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.080 at least close to sixty at least. I mean, it 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.360 was packed, but it was a lot of fun. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.640 So I know, you you don't have, you know, intimate 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.360 recollections of the pre draft interview, But how about the 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.320 call when you found out that you were actually getting drafted. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:31.159 Yeah, I'm completely surprised because I just didn't expect the Jets. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.080 And here's the thing. I think Steelers had to pick 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.400 at eight and the forty nine Ers had to pick 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.159 at sixteen, so those two picks had already gone by. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.880 So then you're sitting there thinking like, what's going on next? 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.719 And I think Sebastian Jenikowski was drafted right before me, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.479 I believe, to the Raiders. So there's a lot of 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.520 things going on in your head, like, Okay, what's the 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.240 deal here. I did feel like I put myself in 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.239 a good position to be the first quarterback taken based 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:02.240 upon my senior Bowl performer as well as my combine 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.159 numbers and what I was able to do there, So 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.919 I felt good about that. It's just you never know 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.359 as far as these teams moving and shaking, as far 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.120 as you're trying to get who they want to get, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.960 So you just it's a it's a very weird process, 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.520 I'll just tell you, because you're trying to enjoy the moment, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.360 but at the same time, there's so many unknowns it's 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.279 hard to enjoy it until it happened. So once it happens, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.719 it's just a huge sigh of relief. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.880 Who was on the line from the Jets. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.720 I remember al Grow being on the line, and then 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.839 I remember then going to talking to Victor Green, I 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.039 guess who was doing some draft day things, and I 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.720 don't know if that was back to back, but it's 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:45.840 pretty close after coach Grow had called me, so it was. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:50.159 A different time back then. But your thoughts on going 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.320 to the Jets who had a proven, established quarterback in 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.720 Vinnie Tustaverdi, Well. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.200 I've always believed then and I still believe now all 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:05.720 that from a development standpoint for quarterbacks coming into this league, 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:11.080 I think having a tested veteran that's number one willing 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.080 to work with you as a young player, which was 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.920 huge in my case because Vinnie was so professional about that, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.960 but then two had been successful at his job and 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.520 at what he's been asked to do. I think that 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.640 was huge in my development. And so because and here's why, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.120 as a young quarterback, you need to make mistakes behind 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.120 closed doors, and when you're thrown right into the starting lineup, 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.760 all of your mistakes are are out there for everyone 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.000 to see, and it's really hard to work through those mistakes. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.800 Give yourself some grace why you're learning. They expect you 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.320 just to pick it up where you left off in college, 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.000 and that's just not the case. I don't care how 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:48.520 good you are. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:48.840 And so. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.280 To be able to make mistakes behind closed doors, to 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.720 be able to learn what it's like to be a professional. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.040 That word professional is so much more than what people 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.560 give it credit to was huge for me in my development. 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.040 Did you know that history was at hand? Maybe after 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.120 you got back from being on the Lake, and he said, well, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.320 not only did I get drafted today, but this is 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.280 the first time in NFL history where a team actually 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.280 had four first round picks, and they used them on 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.760 Sean Alis, Johnny Abraham, yourself of course, and then tight 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:24.960 d Anthony Beckt. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.640 You know, at the time, right when it happened, didn't 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.800 think about it all, but once once we got up 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.959 to New York for mini camp and the four of 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:38.440 us were doing interviews and photo shoots and talking about it. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.280 It's pretty remarkable. Really. First of all, I didn't think 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.319 it was going to happen. Typically, it just didn't happen. Right, 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.720 Historically speaking, they're going to use those picks to gain 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.480 more picks and to build the true depth of their 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.520 team and do it in a cost effective manner. But 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.920 you know, for Bill Parcells to have that type of 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:56.880 that's why he's a Hall of Famer. I mean, when 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:58.760 you look at it, the four of us played it 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.440 combined forty nine years. I mean, that's that's crazy. And 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.280 then when you put in Lavernius with that in the 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.280 third round, we're up to sixty. So it's amazing the 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.760 longevity that I think all of us were able to 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.240 create and I think it's a testament to Bill's vision, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.160 to the Scouting Department's vision, to them really doing their 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.840 research and homework on what type of professionals we would 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:25.600 be and then having the professional fortitude to actually do it, 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.080 because most people would tell you not to do that, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:29.360 and they did it. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.400 Did you like to nickname the four Aces? And when 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.000 was that thrown upon you? Guys? And also we've made 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.760 Lavernious part of this here man, because do you consider 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.120 a guy who one of your favorite receivers of all time, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.280 Lavernius Coles? Do you consider him a fifth Ace? 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.880 One hundred percent? He was the fifth Ace. I always 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:52.880 think of him as part of our group number one, 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.120 because he's such an integral part of what we were 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.480 able to accomplish. But when you really think about it, 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.360 I mean the that's got a steal. I mean that 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.079 if you take away some of the things that happened 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.079 to him in college, he is the first round draft pick. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.160 I just think he slid just because some things are 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.679 out of his control. So you know, I definitely think 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.199 of him as part of our group. He's one of 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.280 my best friends and I love him to death. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.440 Why was Parcells such a good program builder. You just 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.120 mentioned that he had the eye for talent, and he 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.440 lands for you guys in the first round, and he 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.000 comes back and gets Kohl's in the third round. But 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.360 it wasn't just that the Jets overall what set him apart, 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:37.280 because for my money, he's the best programmed builder in 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:38.400 the history of our league. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:45.360 Well, I think that one of Bill's strong points is 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.319 that he understands that football is a people gain, and 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.319 so when you're putting the pieces of the puzzle together, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.880 he puts them together based upon the people, not just 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.720 on number statistics things like that. And I think he 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.439 had a very unique way of finding the right people 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.160 to put together to build the team that he wanted 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.600 to build. That's very hard to do. A lot of 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:19.720 times people fall victim to numbers stats how high someone jumps, 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.320 how fast someone runs, instead of looking at the person 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:27.160 as a football player and some of those other tangibles 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.280 that really matter in a team sport. And then being 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.680 able to put all those pieces together in the right 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.559 areas is the next trick to that, and he was 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:37.920 very successful in doing that. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.800 Well, Grow was your first coach, and then it was 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.120 herm Edwards. Of course, in two thousand and one. Terry 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.520 Bradway comes on board as GM in two thousand and one. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.920 What kind of influence did Parcells have on your career 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.160 in that early going and how much did that carry through? 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.000 Yeah, I think you say, once a parsales guy, always 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:04.840 a parsales guy, and that's another key ingredient to his success. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.280 I think anyone who has played for him or worked 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.040 with him, because I was able to work with him 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:15.520 again in Miami. Once you're in the fold in his 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.640 program and you prove to have the makeup that he's 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.400 looking for, you're with him for life because he can 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.640 trust that he knows what he's getting and that relationship 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:31.400 piece and that trust is really important, and so that's 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.200 what makes him successful in that regard. So although I 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.160 was only drafted by him and worked with him for 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.680 a year, I do think that one year moving into 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:46.439 coach Edwards era really helped me from a professional standpoint, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:51.439 a mental toughness standpoint, really understanding what this whole idea 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.520 of being an NFL player was all about. 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.840 How would you describe your Jets' career without writing a book? 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.640 Yeah, right, I would just I would describe it as 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:12.040 resilient and really all eleven years. Uh, there's a resilience 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.040 all throughout that career when you look at it, when 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.520 you take a step back and look at it in 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.560 third person, I am really proud of my resilience. Uh. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.080 There are some things that you just cannot control. And 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.079 when it comes to injuries, especially those type of injuries 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:31.120 with the shoulder and a dislocated hand, which is extremely rare, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.600 you just can't control those. What you can control is 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.560 how you react to them, how you respond, how you 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.440 work through it, and how you try to still be available. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.280 And so that's how I would describe it. I look 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.839 at my eight years in New York very fondly. I've 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.280 told you before that you know those memories of those 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.160 two weeks Green Bay at Indianapolis and O two o four, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.640 going out and beating the Chargers, coming back in six 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.880 with a a coaching change, and being able to win 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.839 the comeback Player of the Year and lead our team 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.320 to playoffs. I mean, those are very fond memories for me. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.520 And there's nothing like winning in New York when it's happening. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.760 Those odd years were tough, but the even years, it 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.320 seemed like every time it was an even year, you 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.000 knew the Jets are gonna be making a run. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.920 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And it even happened that 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.040 way in Miami too, right, I mean eight, here we 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.680 go to the playoffs. I have no idea, you know. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.960 And that people ask about, Okay, what's your regrets? The 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.800 only quote regret I have is coming back too early 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.000 from the first shoulder surgery. I feel like, and that's 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.120 such a hard thing to do as a competitor. You're 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.880 trying to be available to your team. As a competitor, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.840 you're trying to beat deadlines. But when you're talking about 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.920 major injuries like that, shoulders, knees, all those different things, 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.360 time and patience is really really important. And so when 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.040 I look back upon that, I feel like, if I 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.400 would have taken some more time and been more patient, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.160 maybe I wouldn't have had the second, second surgery, which 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.680 then wouldn't have led to the third and fourth. So 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.000 because those type of injuries, they're really hard to come 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.040 back from if you don't handle them correctly. And so 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.320 luckily that's because the resilience piece and great people around me, 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.120 I was able to fight through that and still compete 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.800 at a high level. But I would have loved to 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.000 have seen how I could compete it with a true 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:36.040 one hundred percent body, so to speak, and not always 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.800 having to deal with it with something like that. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.280 Man, oh two was magical. I mean, every time I 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.760 talk to you, whether it's in person or you know, 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:48.440 on team's stream yard, I always think about oh two 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.880 and when you took that ball and the team got 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.160 hot and you really took the league by storm. It 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.280 was incredible. And to this day, I don't think Peyton 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.800 Manning was ever shut out throughout his professional career. But 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.600 you guys took them down forty one nothing in that 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:11.720 first round of the playoffs, and the preceding week there 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.680 was no roof on the stadium, because that's a good 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.880 thing because the roof probably would have came off at 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.200 forty two to seventeen victory over Green Bay. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.880 Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was man, that was a magical time. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.080 I just remember the energy in that stadium. I don't 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.200 know if I ever felt like that again. That energy 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.200 at those two weeks was just unbelievable. I mean, you 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.320 could just it was palpable. You could feel it, especially 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.280 when everyone learned that the Dolphins or the Patriots had 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.480 beaten the Dolphins, and so it was up to us. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.480 If we win, we win the division. I mean, and 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.640 there was another historical moment. I mean, no team had 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.640 ever started out two and five and won a division, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.200 so that was really sweet. 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:55.400 I consider you a cerebral assassin. So give me a 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.400 scotary report on each of those guys in the two 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.920 thousand draft class with the Jets that made such an 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.640 imprint on this organization, starting with Sean, and then we'll 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.480 go to John, then Backed, and look finally Lavernius. 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.520 Yeah. So with Sean, you first start with just his 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.359 his physical prowess, how strong he was at the point 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:21.119 of attack. You know, he had to adjust from a 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:22.840 four to three to a three four and then went 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:24.400 back to a four three, So he did a great 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.040 job of handling that. But then also I think his versatility. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.280 Although he was strong at the point of attack, and 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.280 McCain was a great run stopper. He could rush the passer. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.280 He had eight and a half sacks I believe his 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.920 rookie year out of a three four, which is hard 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.679 to do. So, uh, I just remember that, and then 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.639 you think about his longevity. I mean, for him to 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.320 be able to play at that type of level for 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.040 such a long period of time. Unbelievable. Look at John Abe, 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.240 you know, I think if he wouldn't have had the 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.399 injuries early in his career, he probably would have been 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.480 a jet longer. But then, you know, luckily for him 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.480 as well as you know, testament to him. I mean, 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.879 look at the career he had amount of sacks and 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.800 what type of pass rusher he became. And he was 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.800 always known, you know, to be that, and so that's 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.040 what he became, and he he was. He excelled at it. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.760 You know. So his his rush ability off the edge, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.199 his speed, his quickness. I mean, in today's game, he 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.280 would getness. Gracious, could you imagine what type player he 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.760 had been. He was one of those players that would 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.960 translate to today's game right twenty five years later, No, no, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.520 no doubt about it. Uh. And then Anthony. You know 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:33.399 what really proud of Anthony about is first of all, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.919 you know, he's the old school throwback. He became an 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.600 outstanding blocker at the point of attack as a tight 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.439 end and then could still help and and and be 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.400 productive in the past game. That's a lot of times 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.280 you don't see that anymore. You see one or the 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.120 other he could do both. Uh, and then you look 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.160 at his career how long he was able to play 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.520 and still be able to do it, and now look 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.320 what he's doing as a head coach. But think, I 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.639 think is awesome. He's just so versatile in that way. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.200 We've become very close, you know, with with our families, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:08.679 and so to be able to watch him and his 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.119 son Rocko kill it that I stayed. It's just really 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:17.600 cool to see full circle finally Lavernius. You know, with LC, 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.359 I don't know what it was. I just had a 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.320 natural feel for him. I just think sometimes you sometimes 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.280 it takes you as a quarterback some time to get 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.760 a feel for receiver and sometimes you just naturally have it. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.760 With him, I just naturally had it. I think part 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.200 of that too was I just my trust in him. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.480 When you watched him play, and I was able to 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.320 watch him play and be around him for two years 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.919 before we played together. You can see how physical he was. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.359 He never got knocked off his spot. He was a 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:48.040 receiver that when the ball was in the air, you 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.359 knew good things were going to happen, and if something 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.480 bows gonna happen, he was going to do everything in 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.480 his possible in his power to keep it from happening. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.440 So that gives you an extreme amount of confidence as 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.439 a quarterback to let ball go early, to put the 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.840 ball out front, to give him a chance because good 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:06.760 things are going to happen, and that trust was there. 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.080 So he played bigger than what his stature was. Obviously 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.919 people knew about his speed, but he played like a 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.639 six or FOURD type of receiver, and he was a 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:22.640 receiver that you you would like to see press coverage 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.680 against him than off covers because he was going to 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.480 create such separation because they could not be more physical 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:29.960 than him. So he was a lot of fun to 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:30.359 play with. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.920 All right, let's end it here. You are a wildly 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:39.040 successful football coach yourself right now, You got your sons 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.879 crushing it. You are a busy man. But when it 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.240 comes to draft weekend in Green Bay, when it's actually 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:51.080 twenty five years later, are you going to think is 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.880 there gonna be a full circle moment where you're gonna 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.240 think about the memories, but you're also going to keep 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.600 your eye on the Jets because a guy who was 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.480 in your locker room when you enter the National Football 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.840 League was playing quarnerback for the Jets. That's Aaron Glenn Well. 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.800 It is a full circle moment in that regard twenty 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:15.160 five years and now a former teammate being the head coach. 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.159 I'm really excited for him. I think he has the 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:23.160 right makeup. I remember him as a player. Number one, 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.439 how professional he was. Number two, His competitive will and 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:31.399 fire was unbelievable. And the way he approached the game 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.040