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Speaker 3: dog from comt and sit next to me shure today, Man,
Speaker 3: we got a special guests on show eight, got a
Speaker 3: couple of special guests, but we got the primary guests.
Speaker 1: Man the dude.
Speaker 3: Man is pretty much responsible for a lot of things
Speaker 3: Man that you see going on today. Man often imitated,
Speaker 3: never duplicated. Man, we got smack in the building. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, no Man, when they hit me up, Man
Speaker 3: for the thing, asked me if I want to do this?
Speaker 1: I said, hell yeah. It don't need to be no question.
Speaker 1: Y'all should just be calling me.
Speaker 4: Asked me what day and what times? The chronicles many
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, we gat up from the feed up.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: You know I have to check in, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, tap in with y'all. Man, what's up for Shell?
Speaker 3: For Shell for Shure? Man, So y'all got something going down?
Speaker 3: Man on the end of this month. Man on the
Speaker 3: twenty seventh, Man, it's like the Super Bowl for Battle
Speaker 3: Wrap though.
Speaker 5: We're both for Battle Raps summer. Man, that's thirteen going
Speaker 5: down August twenty seventh. You know what I'm saying, Houston, Texas,
Speaker 5: I'm about to shake up the building. I'm about to
Speaker 5: shake up the culture. I'm about to shake up the
Speaker 5: city of Houston. You know what I'm saying. Houston is
Speaker 5: just definitely like you know what I'm saying. One of
Speaker 5: my favorite cities just due to the fact of all
Speaker 5: the hospitality showed me every time I come through. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, And you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: A lot of OG's come from you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: that particular city.
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I just want to, you know, show my love and
Speaker 5: my respect and my homage to you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: the city of Houston. That's why I chose to actually
Speaker 5: have the SAMMA man this thirteen event there this year.
Speaker 5: You know, I always try to go to Houston one
Speaker 5: time a year at least, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: just to you know, show the city some love.
Speaker 4: And it's time.
Speaker 1: It's time.
Speaker 4: It's time. August twenty seventh, we out there.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Houston is a live city.
Speaker 3: Man. We don't kind of go back to your history, man,
Speaker 3: because you've done so many pivotal things for the culture.
Speaker 3: You one of those people man, when they look back
Speaker 3: on the pantheonic hip hop man, when they paint that
Speaker 3: picture man, whatever that looked like, they damn sure got
Speaker 3: to leave the room for you at the table, dog because.
Speaker 5: You respectfully, like you know what I'm saying, Like, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, I put a lot of blood,
Speaker 5: sweating tears. I dedicated my life to this shit, man,
Speaker 5: So respectfully, my presence gotta be there, man, Like you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, if it's real, if it's authentic,
Speaker 5: if it's something you know what I'm saying, Like something
Speaker 5: that's really official, I gotta be there, man, You know
Speaker 5: what I mean, real, for.
Speaker 1: Sure, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, man, before we go into
Speaker 3: all your ventures and your accolades. Man, what was Smack
Speaker 3: doing before the Smack DVD series?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Man, before the Smack DVD series? You talking to you
Speaker 4: talking nineteen ninety nine and down. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I was just basically, you know, coming up, cooking up
Speaker 5: the master plan, you know what I'm saying, meditating, trying
Speaker 5: to bring you know what I'm saying, this whole everything
Speaker 5: that you're seeing into fuition, everything that you've seen. I
Speaker 5: basically was in the process of, like you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, just thinking it out, trying to figure out
Speaker 5: how I was gonna actually bring it into fuition, you know,
Speaker 5: working hustling at the same time, had a job, did
Speaker 5: my little weed thing on the side, just trying to
Speaker 5: get extra money. So I could get the equipment necessary
Speaker 5: for me to do what the fuck I do, And
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, that's what I was doing, man, just
Speaker 5: just just trying to figure it out, you know, yeah
Speaker 5: what it is.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I tell people, Man, you have to let your fay
Speaker 3: job feel your dreams facts. Don't stop working your job.
Speaker 3: You know, you gotta still keep some income coming in.
Speaker 3: So when did you have the idea of man to
Speaker 3: kick the whole smack brand off?
Speaker 5: When I was at work, man, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: I was a janitor before you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I began, like you know what I mean, doing what
Speaker 5: the fuck I was doing when I was working for
Speaker 5: the Border Education in New York City, fucking mopping hallways,
Speaker 5: cleaning bathrooms, cleaning, cleaning up after these dirty ass kids
Speaker 5: and shit like that. Like when I say these kids
Speaker 5: are dirty, I'm talking about I was in an elementary school.
Speaker 1: These little niggas dirty.
Speaker 4: Man. They used to have shit on a ceiling, like
Speaker 4: how do you get shipped on a ceiling?
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing?
Speaker 5: And it was me responsible of cleaning that shit up
Speaker 5: to make sure that, you know what I mean, my
Speaker 5: job was complete. But like I remember like you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. This Basically I work one day just
Speaker 5: mopping the hallways, just thinking to myself, like, yo, man,
Speaker 5: I got a fucking brain. Man, I don't need to
Speaker 5: be doing this shit. Man, I don't gotta do this shit.
Speaker 5: I got a brain, like I feel. I really felt
Speaker 5: that way, Like, Yo, this shit is this.
Speaker 4: Shit is whack. I mean I was getting paid good
Speaker 4: money though it was a good job, Like you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 5: Back then, I was getting like you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: twenty thousand an hour and this is like you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, nineteen, Like this is like two thousand,
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety nine, two thousand.
Speaker 4: Back then, twenty thousand hours.
Speaker 1: Was was was a big money. Oh that was a
Speaker 1: good job man, and you had pretty good benefits all something. Ya.
Speaker 1: Back then, that shit was good money. That shit was
Speaker 1: a good job.
Speaker 5: But like it still didn't do nothing for me because
Speaker 5: of the manual labor that I had to basically do.
Speaker 5: It was just like yo, nah, this ain't me. Like
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna put my brain
Speaker 5: to work. I'm gonna do something that I got a
Speaker 5: passion for, something that I love to do. And I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get it popping. And I was dead as serious.
Speaker 5: I used to have conversations with myself because I used
Speaker 5: to work after the school was like you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, let out, so like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: after the school was over, I had to clean up
Speaker 5: the whole fucking school, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I had my floor that I had. I was responsible,
Speaker 4: and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I just remember like hallways long, mopping and shit, just
Speaker 5: talking to myself like yo, man, this shit is whack man.
Speaker 4: Like I need, I need, I need more than this life,
Speaker 4: like it's more than this. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I just came up with, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: the concept of creating a DVD magazine, which was a magazine,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, back in the days, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, when the DVD technology was out,
Speaker 5: Like you know what, Mandy, every DVD you used to
Speaker 5: have chapters.
Speaker 4: On DVDs, there's different chapters you can skip through.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I just made everybody have their own little segment on
Speaker 5: every chapter, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I got with like you know what I'm saying
Speaker 4: all of the.
Speaker 5: Necessary hip hop dudes that I knew that I had
Speaker 5: relationships with, and I threw the camera on them. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I was also hustling too. I
Speaker 5: did my little week thing, but I wasn't no big hustler.
Speaker 5: I ain't make millions. I make good money, but like
Speaker 5: I ain't even gonna talk about that because I want
Speaker 5: glorify that shit. But I mean, at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, though, like you know, it fascinated me when
Speaker 5: I used to do my runs and shit on the street,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like I used to read magazines,
Speaker 5: like video maker magazines, and it fascinated me when I
Speaker 5: could see that you could actually purchase a camcorder and
Speaker 5: and basically like import your footage inside the computer and
Speaker 5: make your edits and shit like that. That's like a
Speaker 5: video DJ I took. You know, that shit was hot
Speaker 5: to me, you understand what I'm saying. She was dope
Speaker 5: and shit in the world. So that shit made me,
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying, take a liking to it.
Speaker 5: Got the necessary equipment that I needed because you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. You know, back then, the cameras cost
Speaker 5: a lot of money. You know what I'm saying, Three
Speaker 5: three thousand, two thousand for a camera. Back then, that's
Speaker 5: not a lot of money now, But we're talking early
Speaker 5: early two thousand ninety nine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Back then, that shit was a lot of money. Like
Speaker 5: you have to figure that shit out. How you're gonna
Speaker 5: get two stacks?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, twas steal a nice little mama changed today,
Speaker 3: you know, for out there working every week.
Speaker 1: You know what i mean.
Speaker 5: Listen, Man, we in twenty twenty three, so like right now,
Speaker 5: that shit ain't ship. But back then, that shit was
Speaker 5: like damn, How'm gonna do this? You have to figure
Speaker 5: that shit out, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying. So I made it happen.
Speaker 5: I got the necessary equipment just off the passion that
Speaker 5: I had and the interest that I had for the technology.
Speaker 5: And then, you know what I'm saying, got the equipment,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, hustle up, scammed the equipment
Speaker 5: and really went to work. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I put that equipment to work. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It never looked back. So that's how the smack DVD
Speaker 5: series started.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Man, I think do you
Speaker 3: ever sit back, Troy and just wonder sometimes? Man, you
Speaker 3: look at all the stuff like you look at YouTube
Speaker 3: right now. YouTube is a huge platform for new and
Speaker 3: emerging artists as well as you know, veteran artists like
Speaker 3: I was talking off are you were pretty much YouTube
Speaker 3: before there was a YouTube. You brought the hood into
Speaker 3: the living rooms from the middle of America and to
Speaker 3: the south, into the east, you know, west coast. You
Speaker 3: had a pretty much cut a worldwide over in Berlin
Speaker 3: and Jeremany. I remember when I was out in the
Speaker 3: United Kingdom Man, maybe two thousand and six. They was
Speaker 3: talking about it was a dude in the street selling
Speaker 3: your DVDs. Dog.
Speaker 1: I was outside like your DVDs dog exactly.
Speaker 4: I was outside before they was outside. Like listen, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was the bible of the culture of hip hop before.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, the YouTube before the world stars,
Speaker 5: before any of the you know mean streaming platforms that's
Speaker 5: out right now. Like you know what I mean, if
Speaker 5: you wanted the information of what was going on inside
Speaker 5: the hip hop culture, you had to tap in and
Speaker 5: go copy Smack DVD to get the latest news or
Speaker 5: how you know what I'm saying, your your favorite hip
Speaker 5: hop artist felt or whatever your hip hop artist was
Speaker 5: going through if they was promoting a project, like you
Speaker 5: had to come and get a Smack DVD d see
Speaker 5: what was going on because I was getting a shit
Speaker 5: that wasn't on.
Speaker 4: The bets and the mtvs. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I'm really like, you know what i mean, tapped in,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, running around with these dudes.
Speaker 5: I'm in they studio sessions, I'm in their neighborhoods, I'm
Speaker 5: on the flights, in the private jets with them, just
Speaker 5: showingcasing the reality of like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: goes on behind the music or behind you know, the coaching,
Speaker 5: you understand. And I did it respectfully with you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. It was uh, you know, respected in
Speaker 5: a way where everybody just loved the the the point
Speaker 5: of view, you know what i mean, because they didn't
Speaker 5: they didn't have they didn't have that access before the
Speaker 5: Smack DVD. They never had that access, you understand what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, So you know they had to basically tap
Speaker 5: in with me, just to see what was going on
Speaker 5: with their favorite artists.
Speaker 7: You know, Smack, I wanted to ask you. I wanted
Speaker 7: to ask you when I first met you was Maserati Fox.
Speaker 4: To twelve r p R let me to twelve with
Speaker 4: So where was we.
Speaker 1: In, Queen?
Speaker 7: Because I always tell people where was that? I don't
Speaker 7: know Queen?
Speaker 1: Where was that that was in?
Speaker 5: That was in that was off of off of Rockaway
Speaker 5: and something and in the projects right there. I forget
Speaker 5: what they was called, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: for Rockaway and something Boulevard, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: you know, the little the little projects or for something
Speaker 5: in Rockaway, you know what I mean, little housing complex.
Speaker 4: I don't call it the projects, but the complex. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. We just tapped in.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Fox was definitely you know what I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 5: running around at the time, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: really trying to you know what I mean, get you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, his his movement off the ground,
Speaker 5: you know, and I was there their system, so you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I gave him a look. We collaborated,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And you know I just
Speaker 5: gave him that look that he needed this to like,
Speaker 5: you know, really like you know, have people pay attention
Speaker 5: to like what he was trying to bring to the game.
Speaker 7: Reason why I'm saying that because back then to do
Speaker 7: this culture, you had to be outside. You had to
Speaker 7: be outside. Now, this is my first meet and you,
Speaker 7: and historically back that was me, you Beasley, Trave, picture Perfect,
Speaker 7: and Fox.
Speaker 4: That's why I tried to just shout out to Trave.
Speaker 7: I'm saying, so now when you look black, we all
Speaker 7: went on to do our things.
Speaker 4: Don't forget wrecked, don't get don't forget you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what I wanted to know, Bro is on First
Speaker 7: of all, I ain't know we had bloods in New
Speaker 7: York City. I found out that day for I didn't
Speaker 7: know we had Yeah, it's crazy with shot recipes of
Speaker 7: the homie fo you know what I'm saying, it was
Speaker 7: a lot of them. How do you feel now that
Speaker 7: anybody could just jump on camera and just document the culture,
Speaker 7: but they didn't have to hit the streets. You know,
Speaker 7: at one point when we did certain things, you was
Speaker 7: held accountable for what you said in the street. How
Speaker 7: do you feel now? Dudes, don't get held accountable for
Speaker 7: some of the things they say.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we live in a different age
Speaker 5: right now, Like you know what I'm saying. Everything is different,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, the time, in.
Speaker 4: The culture, like the perception, the technology, everything is.
Speaker 5: It's a different world. Like you know what, I'm shit that,
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying. We didn't have didn't
Speaker 5: even like exist of what's going on right now. So
Speaker 5: it's like these kids grew up different than what we did,
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, Like you, like you said,
Speaker 5: we really had to be outside. Like now, you outside
Speaker 5: is just basically putting a funk on in front of
Speaker 5: your face and actually talking shit. And you outside, you
Speaker 5: post that shit on the ground, you get views every
Speaker 5: you outside. That's not outside, my nigga.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like I tell niggas, I was at gunpoint more than
Speaker 5: anybody in the motherfucking world.
Speaker 7: That's why I wanted to That's why I want to
Speaker 7: let people know we understand what I'm saying. Like outside,
Speaker 7: when we went to this area, we went to this area, well,
Speaker 7: I was like, what the fuck is this? I'm a
Speaker 7: Brooklyn dude, but I'm looking all I see is red.
Speaker 7: Like three hundred dudes. We went to parks, we went
Speaker 7: to places, but smack with spearhead and the whole thing.
Speaker 7: And I was like, nah, this shit different, this shit different.
Speaker 7: So when people think he just a guy that do
Speaker 7: battle rap, ain't from the trenches of what y'all have
Speaker 7: no idea. And I don't think many of you if
Speaker 7: you had to do what he did, what I had
Speaker 7: to do to get on, you wouldn't even do it.
Speaker 7: You wouldn't even do it because it's easy just to
Speaker 7: put a camera in your face and talk, but you
Speaker 7: had to be outide.
Speaker 1: Nah, yo, listen, man.
Speaker 5: And I try to explain to dudes all the time,
Speaker 5: like you know what I mean, They don't even know
Speaker 5: to have. Like that's something like I got tucking, I
Speaker 5: got tucking in the.
Speaker 4: Stash, like all the footage.
Speaker 5: I got so much footage that I didn't release. You
Speaker 5: know what scares me the most, man, You know what
Speaker 5: scares me the most, what excuse me the most is
Speaker 5: when I go back and all kinds, when I look
Speaker 5: at the footage, I see so many niggas that's not.
Speaker 1: Here, no more right here.
Speaker 5: That shit is so it's spooky yeah, Bookie, Like I
Speaker 5: look at the content and I'm like, Damn, he's gone.
Speaker 5: He's going, he's going, he's doing life. He's locked up,
Speaker 5: He's gone this one, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, though, Doug, and need to still be here
Speaker 5: and you know, surviving and still striving on my mission
Speaker 5: of creating content and you know, just bringing that realness
Speaker 5: to the culture as far as like you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, a content creator and just doing something else
Speaker 5: that you know what I mean is just more laid
Speaker 5: back and mellowed out, which is battle rap. I just
Speaker 5: feel blessed, and I'm just glad that I'm still here, man,
Speaker 5: you know, and you know, I'm just trying to just
Speaker 5: you know what i mean, just building it as much
Speaker 5: as possible. I'm still building on my legacy. I haven't
Speaker 5: yet sit back and stopped to watch all my accolades
Speaker 5: of what I accomplished. I'm still working. I still feel young.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm in the best shape of my life.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. I still feel like I
Speaker 5: got another twenty thirty in mes man, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Let me ask, and I'm.
Speaker 4: Twenty and I'm twenty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm one and twenty in because you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, the first DVD came out two thousand and two,
Speaker 5: two thousand and two thousand and two, so I'm like
Speaker 5: twenty one in.
Speaker 7: You had some of the most historical battles on DVD.
Speaker 7: See people don't even know that error was different than James's.
Speaker 7: That's what Jen and the serious Jones that that Ian
Speaker 7: Solomon you had.
Speaker 4: Dog yo yo, when when when?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 4: When? When I talk about like.
Speaker 5: Having a like you know what I mean the battles
Speaker 5: that I like, I started the coaching, like the way
Speaker 5: I started the coaching. Like there wasn't battle rap on camera,
Speaker 5: a cappella though a cappello the nott no beat.
Speaker 4: I mean not talking about battling on beat.
Speaker 1: That's not what we do.
Speaker 5: You know, dude like that, I mean we respect that,
Speaker 5: and you know I might I fuck with it too,
Speaker 5: I fuck with it. But like I'm talking about acapella,
Speaker 5: like how we used to street, how we used to
Speaker 5: do it in the lunch rooms, how we used to
Speaker 5: do it in the barber shops where we're from. You know,
Speaker 5: the clo you know the cloth that we cut from,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean New York City, hip hop.
Speaker 4: Yo, Yo, your man nice, bring him over here. I
Speaker 4: got ten stacks.
Speaker 5: That cloth, that cloth, that's the cut, that's the cloth
Speaker 5: that I'm cut from. Like at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: that's what we represent. I was the first to get
Speaker 5: that on camera to promote around the world.
Speaker 1: Do my platform on a smack DVD.
Speaker 5: You did your brother Love Brother Loves Joint.
Speaker 4: Hosting my joint just because your smack Yo. Come on
Speaker 4: smack were yo, just off the love smack Yo. We're
Speaker 4: gonna get this ship pop and come to daddy out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna boom, Jay Mills.
Speaker 3: One of the things out here y'all talk about is
Speaker 3: the culture, right and we in the fifty years deep
Speaker 3: in hip hop right now right, I'm an og dog.
Speaker 3: I'm fifty three years old.
Speaker 7: Dog.
Speaker 3: I can remember when you know, hearing my first hip
Speaker 3: hop record, right, and back then, the cardinal rule was
Speaker 3: no biting.
Speaker 1: Everybody had to be a rigid yo.
Speaker 4: You get yo, you bite, you get fucked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah for real. You know you can.
Speaker 4: They coming to see you if you If you bit
Speaker 4: biting like you, you you getting.
Speaker 3: Approached, Yeah for sure. And I wanted to leave that
Speaker 3: as a little segue into something. When you created smack,
Speaker 3: there were a slew of other water down versions of smack.
Speaker 1: They came to the street. Not this is nobody else, but.
Speaker 3: You got copy that imitate it, you know, they say
Speaker 3: imitations of you know, purest form of flattery. I don't
Speaker 3: know though I see this disrespect kind of.
Speaker 1: What was.
Speaker 5: I love you now with you but not at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, you know, Yeah, imitation is the
Speaker 5: greatest form of flattery. And yeah, after I came out,
Speaker 5: a lot of a lot a lot of people didn't
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, you know, immolated, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, my format, my style and ship like that.
Speaker 4: You know, it is what it is, like I showed
Speaker 4: the culture how to get money in a certain way.
Speaker 1: M hm. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They just took a page out of my book and
Speaker 4: did what they had to do. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't knock that ship. I'm not never
Speaker 4: mad at that ship.
Speaker 5: As long as they did it and they own original
Speaker 5: way to like ghost say, ghost Face said it the best.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my uncle Ghosts.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, ghost Face killers, yo, man, yo,
Speaker 5: just do your own ship, man, and you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, and be original, alon as you got originality
Speaker 5: in your ship, like you know what I mean, your
Speaker 5: original with what you do, then I don't have a problem.
Speaker 1: But don't do exactly what the fuck I do?
Speaker 4: You understanding at.
Speaker 5: Least throw your own spin to the ship, bring something
Speaker 5: to add something new to the ship.
Speaker 4: Don't just do what the fuck I do.
Speaker 5: I'm going through the same ship right now and the
Speaker 5: culture that I'm in, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: let me slow down, let me, let me.
Speaker 7: Let me, let me still, let me ask them something
Speaker 7: so and also, Smack, you have a lot of street
Speaker 7: dudes that you change their life, right, change their life,
Speaker 7: I say all the time, y'all niggas gotta remember nine
Speaker 7: minutes of rhymes and you might get from five thousand
Speaker 7: dollars to fifty thousand, and you can't remember that ship.
Speaker 7: You get more than Jadakiss for an hour set and
Speaker 7: you can't remember nine minutes of rhymes. It's time, Smack,
Speaker 7: where you had to? I can't eat that.
Speaker 4: That's my favorite, you know, Oh you know that sh
Speaker 4: That shit might be on my fucking tombsto. I can't.
Speaker 7: Oh, were the business did you think the business would
Speaker 7: be so hard for so many of these brothers to grasp.
Speaker 7: And the business means the money, the finances, the paperwork.
Speaker 7: They don't understand that concept of paperwork and W nine's
Speaker 7: and all that. How hard has it been to try
Speaker 7: to get some of these individuals to understand we do
Speaker 7: this for the love of the culture, but it's still business.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I try to bring that home to these dudes all
Speaker 5: the time because, like you know what I'm saying, at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, these people want their money. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's modern day slavery.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: They not letting nobody eat just to eat. You understand
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. You gotta pay them taxes, man, And
Speaker 5: that's a form of slavery. Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: because you know, at the end of the day, still
Speaker 5: say that the time. Listen, man, they need their PC.
Speaker 5: I don't give a fuck if you make five dollars,
Speaker 5: I want two fifty.
Speaker 4: That's how they just how that's how this government give
Speaker 4: it up. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And I can't be responsible for nobody else. I only
Speaker 5: I only could be responsible for my ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Everybody gotta you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean, be grown men and take care
Speaker 5: and handle the weight. You know, they make their own
Speaker 5: decision or however they want to move. But like I
Speaker 5: know that you ain't gonna be able to make no
Speaker 5: money if you owe these people money.
Speaker 1: So I just make sure that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: My tasers crossing, my eyes has dotted, and everybody else
Speaker 5: is on their own time. But it's definitely a business,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Because you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: any dollar that is going into your account got to
Speaker 5: be accounted for.
Speaker 1: And that's just basically what it is.
Speaker 4: You feel me, And you know, I explain that to.
Speaker 5: I explain that to all these dudes, and I try to, like,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, you know, just me being older,
Speaker 5: just me being a you know, you know, a role
Speaker 5: model to a lot of these dudes that you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, seeing you know, my accomplishments and see
Speaker 5: where I came from and see where you know the
Speaker 5: levels that I took it to and how I took
Speaker 5: it to them levels. It's certain protocols that you got
Speaker 5: to follow and paying taxes is one of them. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, So you gotta basically you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. It's a couple of things that you
Speaker 5: need on your team, uh, to get money. And that's
Speaker 5: a lawyer, that's accountant.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Those two. It's key you
Speaker 1: feel me so essential for anybody else this last year.
Speaker 7: Also in the culture, you you befriended a lot of people.
Speaker 7: You might advanced people money. You might have paid niggas rent,
Speaker 7: You might have did a lot. Yes, some times a
Speaker 7: lot of brothers get mad at you when they not
Speaker 7: on this car. They ain't getting this battle. I just
Speaker 7: but they might not be putting them asking them, you
Speaker 7: know them asses in them seats. They might not be
Speaker 7: buying the pay for you. How hard has it been
Speaker 7: for you to tell some of your friends, yo, you're
Speaker 7: not hot right now? Yah, you gotta get hot for
Speaker 7: the people want to see you, because you know, this
Speaker 7: man might depend on his battle to feed his family,
Speaker 7: but he ain't bringing it. He ain't bringing no heat.
Speaker 7: How hard has it been to personally tell some of them?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 7: I can't.
Speaker 4: I mean it is a matter for you.
Speaker 5: You know, it cost a lot of tension, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, and the course of my career, you know,
Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, you know, like
Speaker 5: you said, like it's a business. At the end of
Speaker 5: the day, Like you know what I'm saying, I got
Speaker 5: to keep the machine going so we all can eat.
Speaker 5: And if you're not in demand at the time, you
Speaker 5: just got to respect that shit, make some adjustments to
Speaker 5: make the necessary you know what I'm saying, moves to
Speaker 5: get back in position where mother fuck just want to
Speaker 5: see you understand, So you know, like this shit is
Speaker 5: not personal, it's business, you know what what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I had to learn that because I was.
Speaker 5: On some personal shit for a long time looking out
Speaker 5: for niggas just you know what I mean, knowing more
Speaker 5: fuckers situation might not prepare or might fuck up or
Speaker 5: might not you know what I mean, deliver fucking three rounds.
Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying, I have a liking
Speaker 4: for them.
Speaker 5: I have some type of loyalty for these individuals.
Speaker 4: So it's just like, yo, come on, I'm gonna place you.
Speaker 5: But like that shit is over with because that shit
Speaker 5: started to like jeopardize my situation of credibility of respect
Speaker 5: when it came to the fans and shit like that.
Speaker 5: So I had to cut that shit out because you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. At the end of the day,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna let you know what I'm saying nobody
Speaker 5: else negligence interrupt my opportunities of what I created and
Speaker 5: what I established to basically feed my family.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Because you let the fans know that might not know
Speaker 7: that at one particular point you was kind of banned
Speaker 7: in New York and no fault to yours. We had
Speaker 7: the Urban Plaza unfortunate incidents, the banger, but then the
Speaker 7: punch and Irvin Plaza too, and you took all the
Speaker 7: blame for the first of all, the fight and that
Speaker 7: took place. You got kicked out of New York and
Speaker 7: then the unfortunate incident happened. So that's one of the
Speaker 7: reasons why you had to go to Houston. You had
Speaker 7: to travel because you want to the people don't know.
Speaker 7: You want to stay home and you want to do
Speaker 7: shit home, but they home wasn't your home for a while.
Speaker 7: What you went through with all that shit.
Speaker 5: First of all, New York City is just the like
Speaker 5: that state is just a fucked up state when it
Speaker 5: comes to business speak on this. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: as far as let's start with the taxes, Like if
Speaker 5: you live in the Five Boroughs, not only that you
Speaker 5: got to pay you know what I'm saying, the fects,
Speaker 5: you gotta pay the Feds federal income.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta pay the state.
Speaker 4: And if you live in the Five Boroughs, you gotta
Speaker 4: pay the city taxes of New York City.
Speaker 5: Bro, you understand that what I'm saying, You're getting hit
Speaker 5: from three different angles.
Speaker 4: Not to mention, you know, the venues and shit like that.
Speaker 4: They scared of us. They don't even want they don't
Speaker 4: even want to give us the business, like you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, even though I could pack that shit
Speaker 4: out with my eyes closed.
Speaker 5: Half two thousand motherfuckers come up in your motherfucking venue.
Speaker 5: Yeah it's a little rowdy, but everybody's coming in peace,
Speaker 5: like they just want to see what they want to see,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: They scared of our kind, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So like you know what I mean, I feel like
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, New York.
Speaker 5: Is been discriminating against you know what I'm saying our culture,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean when it comes to like
Speaker 5: underground for years, so it's hard for me to secure
Speaker 5: the venues necessary for us to have a successful event
Speaker 5: where it makes sense, where I can actually recoup the
Speaker 5: money that you know, what I'm saying is basically being
Speaker 5: allocated out.
Speaker 1: To make the event happen.
Speaker 5: You understand what I'm saying, Like it's just the nasty market,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying all around the board, like
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, and then not to even
Speaker 5: mention like I know everybody in the city, so like
Speaker 5: it's hard for me to tell niggas no, I can't.
Speaker 4: I just can't tell no too because I was outside.
Speaker 4: Niggas did a lot of shit for me.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 4: They good, Yo, he good?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 4: How much he good?
Speaker 1: He good?
Speaker 4: I don't get no money in New York, bro.
Speaker 7: And also let the audience know that they might not
Speaker 7: know they hear about it. Let them know how real
Speaker 7: them hip hop police is. Let them know how real
Speaker 7: it is.
Speaker 5: Listen, man, I mean, I just I they knew me
Speaker 5: for years because of what I did, Like you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, you know, guns and all type of shit.
Speaker 1: You know, Yo, this person got hit. Yo.
Speaker 3: Heard it was on Camra.
Speaker 5: I ain't had nothing to do, Yo, Yo, heard was
Speaker 5: on Smack. Y'all get out of here like I wasn't
Speaker 5: even out. Youre bugging like they they hip hop police
Speaker 5: is real, Like you know what I'm saying. In case
Speaker 5: you don't know, but you know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 5: I know some hip hop police and they fuck with
Speaker 5: me like you know what I'm saying. So it's like, Yo, listen, YO,
Speaker 5: We're gonna let you rock your smack. Just make sure this, this, this,
Speaker 5: that and the third eye got you boom. That's how
Speaker 5: I was able to do what I had to do
Speaker 5: for so many years.
Speaker 1: Listen what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So you know you're laying on.
Speaker 1: Some real quick smack.
Speaker 3: You you know, it being hard to do business in
Speaker 3: New York and those other factors that you talked about,
Speaker 3: is that when you started doing more stuff on the
Speaker 3: West Coast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was always on the West Coast. I was
Speaker 4: on the West Coast. Since you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: it's smack DVDs.
Speaker 5: When I was around there with Game and you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, Game had me and Compton and you know,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, b m F.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. We was out there, like
Speaker 4: I was. We We we had like a lot of ties,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying, Mitchie Slick and them, you know, fucking
Speaker 5: m the cartoon, you know what I'm saying, on some tattoo.
Speaker 4: All this shit, like you know what I mean. I
Speaker 4: was real diverse with like you know, the content that I.
Speaker 5: Was creating for the West Coast and giving them that
Speaker 5: look on the East Coast and around the world or
Speaker 5: wherever like my arms reached to. You know, I always
Speaker 5: felt that I was always a fan of the West Coast,
Speaker 5: you know, movement as far as like n w A.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, ice Cube, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Easy, You know what I mean, Doctor Dre You know
Speaker 5: what I mean. Fucking one of the best, if not
Speaker 5: the best, producing the world. Like you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I felt that it was necessary for me to
Speaker 5: have that representation on my platform.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I made it necessary for me to make my way
Speaker 5: out there, being from the East Coast, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Just you know, connecting dots and linking up
Speaker 5: with you know what I'm saying, the real dudes out
Speaker 5: there on that coast and and and really giving them
Speaker 5: that that proper you know what I'm saying, visualization.
Speaker 1: So everybody else.
Speaker 5: From the South, from the East, from Central you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, America, Europe, Africa, respect, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: What you know the West Coast was about. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I had Nissey hustle, like you know what I mean
Speaker 5: before you know what I mean, anybody you know you
Speaker 5: know that that that that that really you know, took
Speaker 5: it there like I got.
Speaker 1: Exclusive shit.
Speaker 4: I don't even drop with this yet and I still
Speaker 4: got that ship in the top. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: because you know, it's.
Speaker 5: Just something in a time that I felt that like
Speaker 5: he was just like the knives are fucking you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The West Coast, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And no lovem yo.
Speaker 7: We love him in New York.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're not yo yo.
Speaker 5: Let you that nigga, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: God bless the death, but like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: like and it's just like he just reminded me so
Speaker 5: much of Knives from the from from the West Coast.
Speaker 4: It's just like yo, yo dog, your comme here, yo,
Speaker 4: you know, let's do some shit, like you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But he was running around the East Coast like it
Speaker 5: was nothing, you know what I'm saying. Like he was
Speaker 5: outside for rip, you know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 5: was all love though, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he was definitely doing his thing. Now, when
Speaker 3: did you decide to bring you off into the battle
Speaker 3: rap to you are ill? When did you decide the
Speaker 3: forum that well what the batter rack?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, when did you decide to form your lead? Oh?
Speaker 4: Like that's after, that's after, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I always wanted to represent the art form of battle
Speaker 5: rap because I felt that it was, like you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, essential for that representation of the art
Speaker 5: form of lyricism to be fucking represented worldwide because that's
Speaker 5: what we grew up loving. I consider that hip hop,
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying, motherfucker's coming battling each other,
Speaker 5: exchanging rhymes, going bar to bar and shit like that.
Speaker 1: That's in me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: From high school when we used to be in a
Speaker 5: motherfucker lunch room, you know, period seven, we in a
Speaker 5: lunch room. We got these two niggas going at it.
Speaker 5: I bet you know what I'm saying. You know, the
Speaker 5: whole school, they didn't even go to class. Everybody's in
Speaker 5: the motherfucking lunch room just basically just like you want
Speaker 5: to see.
Speaker 4: What's going on.
Speaker 5: So like that representation of like lyricism, I felt that
Speaker 5: was necessary for me to represent on my platform, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So on the DVD, I always
Speaker 5: made sure that it had its real estate on my DVD.
Speaker 5: At the end of the DVD. If you go to
Speaker 5: any Smack DVD, you go to that last chapter the
Speaker 5: end of the DVD, you always had a classic battle.
Speaker 1: That was my signature.
Speaker 5: So now when you know World Star came out two
Speaker 5: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, you know they
Speaker 5: started really blowing up two thousand and seven, two thousand
Speaker 5: and six, two thousand and seven, World Star came out
Speaker 5: God Bless the Dead Q.
Speaker 4: You know know, So what I'm saying, he really and
Speaker 4: with you know what I'm saying, the content online he
Speaker 4: was just basically he started his whole platform, taking all
Speaker 4: our ship, taking all our ship, your dog, I'm lying.
Speaker 7: That's why he had conversation.
Speaker 1: Why that's why we have with them.
Speaker 4: Mother, Like, yo, how this nigga eat you know, and
Speaker 4: the nigga blew and took it off. He took our ship,
Speaker 4: popped his ship off with our ship, and then taking
Speaker 4: every everybody sending him ship. So he ain't had to
Speaker 4: put no work in, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: All the content on World Star could have been the
Speaker 5: biggest ship in the world if they would have produced
Speaker 5: their own content. They never used their own content though,
Speaker 5: so it was like it was this people he grabbing
Speaker 5: clips or he grabbing clipps.
Speaker 1: It was smart, it was genius.
Speaker 5: It was genius actually, because he ain't had to put
Speaker 5: the man hours the label, flying to the West coast,
Speaker 5: flying to the south, getting up with these artists.
Speaker 4: These artists don't pick up their phones. Bro, you gotta
Speaker 4: call a million times before mother fucking pick up his phone.
Speaker 1: That's why I stopped doing.
Speaker 4: What the fuck I do that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: because it took me too, yo.
Speaker 5: Call I still to this day, don't even call it like, yo, Bro,
Speaker 5: I don't call niggas more than two times.
Speaker 7: How good I see you.
Speaker 4: When I see you?
Speaker 1: Real temperamental people.
Speaker 3: Dog.
Speaker 5: You know I'm not mad at them because you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, Artists deal with a lot. But like
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, I'm not calling the nigga
Speaker 5: phone a million. You know I'm calling you see me
Speaker 5: calling the dogs. I'm a real nigga too. You understand
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. You're getting money. I'm getting money too,
Speaker 5: but you swong my money down not picking up your phone.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm sam saying.
Speaker 1: So that's when you know.
Speaker 4: World Star came out, and then the technology came.
Speaker 5: Technology started catching up a time when motherfuckers can have
Speaker 5: their own fucking cameras and ship like that. Fucking cameras
Speaker 5: started being on your phone. Motherfuckers was filling pulling out
Speaker 5: their phones, catching the artists at gas stations. Motherfuckers, Oh
Speaker 5: ship yo go you go gz yo, GIZI what's up?
Speaker 5: And they're fucking post that ship. The blocks don't give
Speaker 5: a fuck. The blogs is taking that footage, putting it
Speaker 5: on they websites just because it's gonna get hits and views.
Speaker 4: They didn't care where the content was coming from. Because
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, they just want the clicks.
Speaker 7: Took us.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 4: It was just like, yeah, like.
Speaker 5: Artist content started decreasing in value, it started decreasing in value.
Speaker 4: Because it was more exclusive. It's no more exclusive more.
Speaker 4: It's like, Yo, I'm I'm running around the country.
Speaker 5: I'm flying the South, flying in Atlanta, flying to LA
Speaker 5: flying the fucking Miami, flying to New York, creating a DVD.
Speaker 5: It's taking me four months to fucking put out a
Speaker 5: DVD when all the information is being already uploaded on
Speaker 5: these fucks on websites, just because somebody is asking the
Speaker 5: artists that they've seen at the fucking gas station with
Speaker 5: their motherfucking camera phone and they fucking uploading that. All
Speaker 5: the blogs and all the fucking websites is posting that
Speaker 5: because they need content. It just came like, yo, fuck,
Speaker 5: I'm running around chasing artists. For us, I have to
Speaker 5: focus on the battles. The battles are something that can't
Speaker 5: be recreated. To answer your question, that's why I started
Speaker 5: the league. I'm like, yo, fuck it, I'm gonna just
Speaker 5: do the shit that you know and create a new
Speaker 5: form of hip hop entertainment, which is battle rap, which
Speaker 5: is you know what I'm saying, the URL And I
Speaker 5: created my league on that because I was just like, yo,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna compete with everybody that you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, May go see fifty cent because fifty cent
Speaker 5: just got that fat Joe or whatever and they just
Speaker 5: do the fucking cam on them.
Speaker 4: And now that shit is all over the internet, Like
Speaker 4: I can't compete with the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, technology man at one point.
Speaker 3: Technology at one point fucked the game up, but it
Speaker 3: made it more broad and it brings the millions of
Speaker 3: people like I wass thinking about a conversation that I
Speaker 3: was having them with Eight's red partner from CMW The Child,
Speaker 3: and he was telling me how Aight and Snoop used
Speaker 3: to battle back in middle school.
Speaker 1: Dad. Can you imagine if y'all had a camera during
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 5: Go go oh chatter Uncle Snoop, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Snoop was one of the realist dudes that I came
Speaker 5: across in this culture. And you know, I'm an uncle too.
Speaker 5: They call me Uncle Smack. I'm in an uncle club,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. There's only a couple of
Speaker 5: uncles in the game.
Speaker 7: Read Alert started it read Alert started, Uncle Red started.
Speaker 4: Snoop, Uncle Ross.
Speaker 1: Luke, Uncle Uncle Luke.
Speaker 5: I considered Uncle Bunny, Uncle bun Deez an uncle to me,
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, man, uncle smack Man.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, it's a couple of uncles
Speaker 4: to being an uncle club. You gotta you gotta be,
Speaker 4: you gotta be, you gotta be cut.
Speaker 1: From a different cloth.
Speaker 4: Charlotte Mane, Charlie. I mean it's trying to be coming
Speaker 4: into the uncle club too, Uncle Sean. But I don't know.
Speaker 5: So hip hop flat what he do because the kid
Speaker 5: is different. When it comes to the journalism, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, and.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He he broke down doors. That is incredible. So like
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I respect it, but like you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean when it comes to street stop, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: HIPOs fifty smack hip Hop fifty is here amongst us.
Speaker 7: Do you feel like battle rap is getting the appreciation
Speaker 7: that it needed, specifically what you brought to it in
Speaker 7: this hip hop fifty landscape, Because we got to be honest.
Speaker 7: For a while, hip hop was fucked up and battle
Speaker 7: rap brought a different eyes to it from all over
Speaker 7: the world because it was hip hop and its purest form.
Speaker 7: So we look at the cold Crush, we look at him.
Speaker 7: They started out meeting in the park, rapping against her,
Speaker 7: sometimes with no beat. You brought that back to a
Speaker 7: large scale. But in this hip hop fifty landscape, where
Speaker 7: they placing you in this where where they place some work,
Speaker 7: where they placing you in this hip hop fifty, I.
Speaker 4: Don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know where they placing me at.
Speaker 7: You ain't been in, no celebrations, nothing, you know, Nah,
Speaker 7: Like I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 5: And you know it's crazy because I feel like I
Speaker 5: put a lot up, you know what I'm saying, blusod,
Speaker 5: sweat and tears into this culture.
Speaker 4: I contribute my contribution to this ship is different. I
Speaker 4: created a whole genre.
Speaker 5: Industry, it's say industry inside the hip hop industry. You understand,
Speaker 5: I created my own industry where motherfuckers could you know,
Speaker 5: actually get paid to do something that they loved to
Speaker 5: do that they wasn't getting paid to do before. Motherfuckers
Speaker 5: used to just battle for credibility. You understand what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: who had the ill bars or who had the illis
Speaker 5: lyrics and lyrics or lyricism, or who had like you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, who killed who? Motherfuckers used to
Speaker 5: do that shit for credibility.
Speaker 1: Now I created a whole lane where motherfuckers is getting
Speaker 1: paid to do.
Speaker 5: A whole new fucking you know what I mean art
Speaker 5: form that exists withinside the hip hop culture.
Speaker 1: You know, hip hop is based on competition.
Speaker 7: I want to play you the thing for him bringing
Speaker 7: him to the Gangst The Chronicles is important because when
Speaker 7: we start talking about the Gangst the Rap Chronicles, one
Speaker 7: of the you know, the offshoots of the name and
Speaker 7: the concept of.
Speaker 4: The show.
Speaker 5: They was.
Speaker 7: They was able to stand on stage in each other
Speaker 7: face and talk about how they're gonna kill each other
Speaker 7: ways they gonna kill each other, but not have to
Speaker 7: kill each other face there. So, hey, let me ask
Speaker 7: you something, do you think and the hate of you
Speaker 7: and quick with y'all ship, do y'all think y'all would
Speaker 7: have been able to stand in front of each other
Speaker 7: and rap battle at one point?
Speaker 6: No, because we was gang bangers. It wasn't about rapping.
Speaker 6: It was about the neighborhood. It wasn't about rap music.
Speaker 6: Rapping was rapping, that's.
Speaker 1: All it was.
Speaker 6: So it wasn't like I'm out here to try to
Speaker 6: battle rap a nigga and get some money and embarrass
Speaker 6: the nigga.
Speaker 1: Our ship.
Speaker 6: Our ship bled deep because of neighborhood times. That's what
Speaker 6: it was about. So we couldn't we couldn't be battle
Speaker 6: rappers because niggas be getting killed because first of all,
Speaker 6: you ain't finna put no crypt blood in the same
Speaker 6: place because the result is finna be fighting first ship.
Speaker 1: Don't IM about to give a fuck about no rap
Speaker 1: music music. Yeah, that's how it went.
Speaker 6: Now, you know that's a different I guess it's a
Speaker 6: different aspect if if that's what you on is just
Speaker 6: trying to be an MC. But a lot of us
Speaker 6: was from the neighborhood first. Even before a rap started,
Speaker 6: we was game banging, you feel me? So, uh, that's
Speaker 6: the difference of That's why a lot of our our
Speaker 6: talk was was on records, because when you met a nigga, it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it was fighting here. It was dunk them first.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Yeah, And I don't think the
Speaker 1: thing that was interest in the boat.
Speaker 6: The situation with any niggas over here who had beef
Speaker 6: with each other, the niggas was chunking them when they
Speaker 6: see each other. It wasn't no nigga, let's go on
Speaker 6: stage and grab the mic and talk about each other. Nah, nigga,
Speaker 6: I'm trying to bust your motherfucking face open.
Speaker 1: So that's what it was all. A lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of of of art, of artists who came.
Speaker 6: From my era who dealt with gangs and all that
Speaker 6: shit you could and been put in that settle. That segment.
Speaker 6: Battle rapping is just that. That's for niggas who are
Speaker 6: on BMC's you know. You know, I don't give a
Speaker 6: fuck you from a block or whatever. You know, A
Speaker 6: lot of that shit progressed down the road because when
Speaker 6: I first started rapping, niggas had beef.
Speaker 1: We wasn't thinking about.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: That's why a lot of our our shit was spoken
Speaker 6: on records, because that's where we was able to confront
Speaker 6: a nigga. Because you see a nigga in the streets,
Speaker 6: ain't no nigga, I'm finna drop this line on you
Speaker 6: and say, nigga, homie, he's talking about you smoking me,
Speaker 6: or you're finna kill me.
Speaker 1: Real pistols is coming out, real fist is flying and
Speaker 1: getting me.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm just trying to picture some cheet cats
Speaker 3: man begging that they man standing in front of each
Speaker 3: other talking about each other, because you know, cats would
Speaker 3: have got real disrespectful with it. Somebody would have got
Speaker 3: disrespectful and disrespected somebody's neighborhood and it would have been
Speaker 3: a melee before he can get a second bar out
Speaker 3: the top.
Speaker 1: About that, dude's here's some more. It had been twenty
Speaker 1: thirty people on stage.
Speaker 7: The first battle I seen on camera from your side
Speaker 7: was I think the Bay. It was severe versus casual.
Speaker 7: You remember that it was the first time I seen
Speaker 7: two people from the West Coast in battle and.
Speaker 3: Battle.
Speaker 7: But as time went on, I'm like, now these thing
Speaker 7: it's too real to be. Ain't nobody gonna be standing
Speaker 7: and spitting each other face? They gonna get crazy with it,
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying. So that when we see
Speaker 7: where the battle rap culture is now. These are sometimes
Speaker 7: dudes who might have little rivalries in the sense of
Speaker 7: they research on each other that they're gonna bring out
Speaker 7: in the battle, But it don't really be no past
Speaker 7: street history. Sometimes it is a little bit what makes
Speaker 7: for a battle battle. So it's entertaining back in y'all
Speaker 7: in your time.
Speaker 3: Eight.
Speaker 7: I know it wasn't possible for that shit to happen
Speaker 7: because again, when you see a nigga fuck music, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. Music was how you got off
Speaker 7: on a nigga like I had, I had, we spent
Speaker 7: your block, you know what I'm saying. But it wasn't though,
Speaker 7: we're gonna spend your block, or we're gonna do this,
Speaker 7: we're gonna do that. Those is like this record, but
Speaker 7: more was like a response of the ship that actually
Speaker 7: was taking place for real, for real. Now you can't
Speaker 7: do that because nigga go to jail now, you know
Speaker 7: what I'm saying that, because you see the little dudes
Speaker 7: who do the drill and all that shit, they using
Speaker 7: all that shit to lock they asks up now, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. So if hip hop was then
Speaker 7: what it is now, they probably been looking at y'all
Speaker 7: crazy like, oh for real, you such and such, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. But the eyes wasn't on y'all
Speaker 7: when you when you made this record though, eight what
Speaker 7: was what was your and what was your intention? Just
Speaker 7: the ship on them, that hood, that that people as
Speaker 7: much as you can or like, what what was.
Speaker 6: Your I never disrespected anybody's neighborhood, even though I might
Speaker 6: add beef with niggas. I never brought neighborhoods into it
Speaker 6: because me being from a neighborhood, it's bigger than that shit. Man,
Speaker 6: So you know niggas do that shit nowadays. But if
Speaker 6: I beef with the nigga, I kept it to the nigga.
Speaker 1: You guys me.
Speaker 6: I tried to keep it on that level as far
Speaker 6: as hip hop was concerned, because at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, I still was a hip hop artist, you
Speaker 6: feel me. So I didn't want to necessarily go too
Speaker 6: deep on that aspect when it came to dissing the
Speaker 6: nigga if I had beef with him, because I really
Speaker 6: didn't beef with niggas. Everybody know whatever the aspect was,
Speaker 6: But basically the intention when you was writing a record
Speaker 6: or ditch record, it was basically just your feelings.
Speaker 1: Of how you felt about a motherfucker.
Speaker 6: You give me the nigga you and I guess that
Speaker 6: no different if niggas wanted to express themselves if they could.
Speaker 6: You know, uh, you know, you got other football players.
Speaker 6: They get in practices, they fuck that nigga or we're
Speaker 6: gonna but they don't necessarily do it that deep. But
Speaker 6: you know they might be like, oh yeah number twelve
Speaker 6: till number twelve were coming for him this weekend, or
Speaker 6: or or tell motherfucker you know.
Speaker 1: So basically writing a disk record.
Speaker 6: And it necessarily wasn't too I think like in what
Speaker 6: y'all called the Battle Rap thame, niggas go deep to
Speaker 6: expose a motherfucker. You feel me, With writing a disc record,
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, fuck a nigga. You know, don't necessarily
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily know your mama or your financial status
Speaker 6: or where you nigga. All I know is like, nigga,
Speaker 6: I don't like you.
Speaker 3: So it's neop you didn't come, try to come with
Speaker 3: no extra fly metaphors and that ship because really.
Speaker 1: And then it really wasn't like I want.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say, uh, necessarily like battling niggas, we just
Speaker 6: busting rhymes, you know, I would call it more of
Speaker 6: a cipher we had then, like a nigga, you ain't
Speaker 6: this or Nigga, you ain't that. We never did that.
Speaker 6: It was more like I'm missing I'm that, and I'm
Speaker 6: missing I'm that. And then he was more like, well,
Speaker 6: I'm from here, and I'm from here and I'm missing
Speaker 6: I'm that. So it's basically like a cipher we had. So,
Speaker 6: like I said, it's different from you know, battle rapping
Speaker 6: and writing a disc record. Some niggas do. Some niggas
Speaker 6: like nowadays, they go technical, Oh, nigga, I'm gonna search
Speaker 6: a niggas history. I'm gonna see what who the fuck with?
Speaker 6: I'm see if the nigga got all f's on his
Speaker 6: report card and school, you know, all kind of shit
Speaker 6: niggas come out with. But me, basically I was just
Speaker 6: like Nigga, this Compton and Nigga fucked you.
Speaker 1: That's it, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean a battle rapper, I think battle rapping it's
Speaker 6: more to expose the individual and his skills and who
Speaker 6: the fuck he think he is as a motherfucking battle rapper.
Speaker 6: So Nigga, just like the Homie said when when he
Speaker 6: was on the show what's his name that we had,
Speaker 6: he said, nigga. Oh, And then the benefit of it
Speaker 6: is from what y'all tell me. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 6: you're fin the battle this nigga next week. Right, But
Speaker 6: now I get to go do my homework on motherfucking
Speaker 6: I get to go dig into it. Like I said,
Speaker 6: you had motherfucking buck teeth in the third grade and
Speaker 6: shit like that. Nigga, your mama wore motherfucker get hand
Speaker 6: me downs and y'all drove a pinto wagon the church
Speaker 6: on Sundays and ship like you get to dig into
Speaker 6: a nigga's all kinds of shit. So, like I said,
Speaker 6: sometimes with niggas making records and ship it's just like, man,
Speaker 6: fuck you.
Speaker 7: Hey, it don't got deeper. Hey, it don't got so
Speaker 7: deep in battles, dude. Us the big screen in the back,
Speaker 7: dudes had on T shirts with a nigga mother baby
Speaker 7: mother getting fucked on it. That's the research they was able.
Speaker 1: To do it. That's a lot deep.
Speaker 4: But then I guess you have to.
Speaker 1: I guess you got to present that showmanship because you
Speaker 1: on stage. It's a show. Right.
Speaker 6: It's no different than when I get on stage and
Speaker 6: I got props. I might bring a lowrider bike out
Speaker 6: or play play my scenes from minutes to society in
Speaker 6: the background or whatever. So I guess as a battle rapper, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you want to have your props.
Speaker 4: You want to have your.
Speaker 6: Motherfucking stage presence. So y'all want the big screen. I
Speaker 6: want to put a picture up of this nigga when
Speaker 6: he got socked in the mouth. I want to put
Speaker 6: up a big screen to the nigga when his baby
Speaker 6: mama was cheating on him, and shit she was at
Speaker 6: the movies with another nigga or some shit, all kinds
Speaker 6: of shit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what you call chowmanship.
Speaker 6: Though, in that motherfucking realm of hip hop, you gotta
Speaker 6: ask chowmanship, especially if you want to be that top dog.
Speaker 6: And like you said, with all the props and the
Speaker 6: technology and all the research you can do that that
Speaker 6: could be critical for some niggas. He can basically destroy
Speaker 6: some niggas battle career. Yeah, I think we love Smack.
Speaker 6: I would love to have him here to answer this one.
Speaker 3: I saw, you know, the homely man from the baby Man,
Speaker 3: mister fab right, he dealves off into that battling world.
Speaker 3: He's actually really dope, Yes, but I saw I forget
Speaker 3: the call. He was battling man for Arsenal he was
Speaker 3: failing Arsenal. Arsenal got to talking about busting nuts in.
Speaker 7: His daughter's face, disrespectful, doing this and that, talking about
Speaker 7: his daughter.
Speaker 3: Fuck your sick daughter or slaughter our duct taper and
Speaker 3: throw that little sick something.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh my god, this dude,
Speaker 1: he the girl.
Speaker 6: You set yourself up for that, right and battle rapping,
Speaker 6: you said, That's why I said, it would have been
Speaker 6: very difficult to from you know, from the days of
Speaker 6: niggas dissing each other and neighborhoods being involved. That would
Speaker 6: have been a hard scene to control because the minute
Speaker 6: the niggas say, nigga, your hood, ain't this a nigga?
Speaker 6: Y'all some this, and then nigga, that's why we killed
Speaker 6: so and so, and nigga's over.
Speaker 3: That's what driller is doing now, little drill cats over
Speaker 3: there in Chicago. Yeah, I mean that's New York too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's state way of you know, they call you out,
Speaker 6: say who got killed, nigga, We peeled sos and so,
Speaker 6: cap this package and then at the bus stopped screaming
Speaker 6: like a bitch and wootie. Yeah they do all that
Speaker 6: ship now. So that's why you have so much controversy
Speaker 6: and conflict. You give me as opposed to niggas who
Speaker 6: was battle rappers in my day, You give me you
Speaker 6: had an Ll cool J and coolmodgo at it and
Speaker 6: it was just you know, battle on wax. You know,
Speaker 6: Cube had his you know, Cube had his dealings with
Speaker 6: easy in them and and a lynch mob with above
Speaker 6: the Law and all them type of niggas.
Speaker 1: I had my.
Speaker 6: Battles with quick and and you know. But sometimes it
Speaker 6: was to the necessarity of well, we kept it on records,
Speaker 6: didn't You didn't You never saw uh LLL or cool
Speaker 6: Man with d tell my, let's get in the boxing
Speaker 6: ring and you know, scrap or let's bus guns at
Speaker 6: each other or something. We tried to keep it on
Speaker 6: the elements of hip hop at me, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: what was fresh and young, and we didn't want to
Speaker 6: jeopardize it to the fact because you know, back then
Speaker 6: they was banning niggas left and right and pulling niggas
Speaker 6: in doing all of that. So we tried to keep
Speaker 6: it to a level of not getting out of hand.
Speaker 6: But like you said, nowadays, man, it's just like I
Speaker 6: don't I couldn't be a I couldn't be in them
Speaker 6: shoes of a nigga standing in my face like you said, saying, nigga,
Speaker 6: your son is this or your your mama ain't ship Like,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna like this. Up fab is the homie nigga.
Speaker 6: They must fight work all the probably fired on you.
Speaker 6: It was all I was getting mad and I was thinking, man,
Speaker 6: oh my.
Speaker 7: Is that first contracts not to fight them?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: At first it was a little bit funny because you know,
Speaker 3: he was being light. But then when he started doing
Speaker 3: certain stuff and it was.
Speaker 6: Kind of like, man, so basically you have to you
Speaker 6: have to sign the contract saying that you're gonna take
Speaker 6: the humiliation.
Speaker 1: You gotta keep I would assume, man, and I would
Speaker 1: assume that to keep your cane. That's a hard pill
Speaker 1: to swallow. Stuff. Sign a contract.
Speaker 7: It's a rapper name good.
Speaker 6: You have hands on and you have to allow this
Speaker 6: motherfucker to say whatever they want to say. Now, look,
Speaker 6: basically put your basically put yourself out there for it.
Speaker 6: You know it's you better be hard as a motherfucker
Speaker 6: all out.
Speaker 1: That's all I know.
Speaker 6: If you want to get into that motherfucking realm of
Speaker 6: hip hop, if you know whatever music, whatever you want
Speaker 6: to call it.
Speaker 1: Uh, you better have some tough skin. Yeah, really you know.
Speaker 7: Still, it's a rapper name Goods who put in every contract.
Speaker 7: I don't give a fuck what you say about me.
Speaker 7: Don't say nothing about my daughter. But he put it
Speaker 7: in writing that the artist wasn't allowed to speak about
Speaker 7: his daughter. He said. The only reason why I'm saying
Speaker 7: that because when she get older, I don't want her
Speaker 7: to ever see her. Daddy stood there and had the
Speaker 7: nigga say your little baby daughter, suck my dick. He said, nah,
Speaker 7: we you can say whatever you want about me, fuck me,
Speaker 7: fuck everybody, but don't say nothing about my daughter. The
Speaker 7: one person that says something about his daughter he misinterpret.
Speaker 7: He smacked the shit out of him in the middle
Speaker 7: of the battle. This is a fact, so so you could,
Speaker 7: you could get some shit taken out. But it's Arsenal.
Speaker 7: You got QB, you got Bridge Rostein. It's certain rappers.
Speaker 7: They're clean. The thing, they are so disrespectful that you
Speaker 7: got an autistic child. If you got anything going on,
Speaker 7: they're gonna get there. Still, I gotta get up out
Speaker 7: of here, smack man. Uh yeah, we got like five Yeah,
Speaker 7: go into the go into the events.
Speaker 1: I got it, don't I got it? Right?
Speaker 7: Lad On, y'all all right.
Speaker 3: Smack you you missed it, Doug. We was talking about
Speaker 3: some of them, real disrespectful battle rappers. Let me see,
Speaker 3: is he back? But he got froze out again. Look
Speaker 3: like we got froze out again. We got some we
Speaker 3: got smacked back in the building, but he froze. He
Speaker 3: got some technical difficulties going on. Were gonna talk a
Speaker 3: little bit, Man about this lineup Man that Summer Madness.
Speaker 1: Man is going down. It is going down.
Speaker 3: Sunday, August twenty seventh, Man the Ultimate Rap League was
Speaker 3: touched down in Houston, Texas the whole Summer Madness thirteen,
Speaker 3: the pinnacle of being in the world of battle rap,
Speaker 3: featuring a full evening of electrifying showdowns from the most
Speaker 3: respected names from around the coach. You know they got
Speaker 3: some cats. I know you, ag, you ain't really familiar
Speaker 3: with the battle rap, saying you you you heavy into it?
Speaker 1: I see him. I love battle rap. On I've never
Speaker 1: been into it, so I've never been into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah you, but I'm gona have to take you to
Speaker 3: some events. Look, well, we was talking about smacking you
Speaker 3: you good now? He got technically he got you got
Speaker 3: technical difficulties going on. They got a good line up, man,
Speaker 3: They got Tay Rock versus ad t Top versus John
Speaker 3: John to Don DNA versus Jerry West, Fine Fines versus
Speaker 3: Shotgun Sugar.
Speaker 1: And New Jersey Twerk versus howld have done? These cats
Speaker 1: got some color names.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have no disrespect, but I've never gotten into
Speaker 6: the you know, I've I've heard, I've seen a couple
Speaker 6: as far as the Internet is concerned, when they come across,
Speaker 6: But I never got into the battle rap thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know what it is, man, It's like
Speaker 3: it's definitely acquired taste. It's definitely one of those acquired tastes.
Speaker 1: Man, for you to be heavy into it, what is
Speaker 1: the What is what I want to say is.
Speaker 6: What is that angle of performing hip hop or whatever?
Speaker 6: Like is the intention to ever make a record or
Speaker 6: is it just to be a disrespectful battle rapper?
Speaker 3: I think you know what I think because of what
Speaker 3: Smack is done with the culture now with Survive, But lifting,
Speaker 3: to me, it's just another branch of the hip hop tree.
Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying? Like, you know, we got
Speaker 3: gangster rap. Now you got trio. You even got the
Speaker 3: country western you know, the country dudes doing the rap now,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean over country music.
Speaker 1: I look at it just like that.
Speaker 3: Look at it more as a competitive sport now, like
Speaker 3: just like how gaming it is now. And it's one
Speaker 3: of them things. Man. I definitely like, man, the older
Speaker 3: stuff a little bit better because it was a little
Speaker 3: less disrespectful. You know, they got in people's ass, but
Speaker 3: there was certain lines you didn't cross. Like if you
Speaker 3: heard about a dude's mama just passed away, you was
Speaker 3: gonna leave that alone. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It wasn't this.
Speaker 3: You know, you had some dudes that got disrespectful though,
Speaker 3: but they kept it to a limit when you agree,
Speaker 3: be they kept it to limit. Now, like with that
Speaker 3: cat man, like with the arsenal cat and stuff, Man,
Speaker 3: I would probably whoop his ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, I would never you know, So
Speaker 1: it's an acquired taste for sure.
Speaker 3: Smack you good now your yacky heavy Yeah for sure,
Speaker 3: we can hear you man before we get to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pardon for the technical difficulties.
Speaker 1: Man, It's all good. It happened, man, But but that's
Speaker 1: what we do. We go get through it. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, We get through.
Speaker 4: You know, I that modems and all type of ship.
Speaker 4: This make sure I come back to this.
Speaker 3: Interview, man, sure, Man, And I appreciate it, Bro, And
Speaker 3: I appreciate it because you know, it ain't every day man,
Speaker 3: people get to talk to you.
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 3: One of the things we talked about, man with some
Speaker 3: of the disrespect because see, I'm a battle Rat fan eight.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say, you.
Speaker 3: Know, he's not too familiar with the sport, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, He's not too familiar with it, right,
Speaker 3: So I could be kind of like, you know, letting
Speaker 3: him know what's going on with it.
Speaker 1: One of the things we talked about was back in
Speaker 1: the day, wasn't it disrespectful?
Speaker 3: People would get in your ass, But they kind of
Speaker 3: left some stuff to you know, they just left some
Speaker 3: stuff to the imagination. They had a class about it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Now you got cancers, don't
Speaker 3: give a fuck what they say to somebody.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I looked at that what was his name, Briant Arsenal.
Speaker 3: I looked at Arsenal battle somebody's daughter. He was talking
Speaker 3: about the dudes daughter or whatever like that. I said, Man,
Speaker 3: how to probably knocked this dude out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you know, you gotta have a tough skin
Speaker 5: to be in this culture. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: there's no rules. You know, you got some dudes that
Speaker 5: respect certain ethnics in certain codes. Then you got some
Speaker 5: dudes that just don't give a fucking just gonna just
Speaker 5: do that. Like you know what I'm saying, Arsenal, Arsenals,
Speaker 5: he's known, his name is missed, disrespectful, he gonna disrespect
Speaker 5: Andy and everything going. I've done seen people speak about
Speaker 5: the dead, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I've seen people talk.
Speaker 5: About you know what I'm saying baby moms and all
Speaker 5: types of shit, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's why, like, you gotta have a tough skin to
Speaker 4: be in this culture.
Speaker 5: And you know what I'm saying, your your your your
Speaker 5: resume or your rapport, your your your your your your
Speaker 5: your life gotta be you know what I.
Speaker 4: Mean, squeaky clean.
Speaker 5: Because if anything, you got any dirt on your name
Speaker 5: or any dirt that's associated with you, motherfucker's is gonna
Speaker 5: find that ship and try to expose it. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's a part of the culture. You know what I mean,
Speaker 5: that's part of the coach, that's part of this ship.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just coming out for sure.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about man. Let's talk about summer.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 3: That's thirteen. Man, you gotta wind up on the man.
Speaker 3: Who you looking at? Who you're looking to see the moves?
Speaker 3: Who are you looking forward to see over there?
Speaker 4: Every everybody, every battle I put everything together. I want
Speaker 4: to to I put this card. I want to see
Speaker 4: every battle on his card.
Speaker 1: Man. So you personally, you said, what So you personally
Speaker 1: put this card together?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, with the assistance of my team and ship like that.
Speaker 4: But like you know, I co signed and check off
Speaker 4: on everything. You understand what I'm saying. So, like you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, this car right here.
Speaker 5: I want to see the outcome of every battle because
Speaker 5: I feel like everything, every battle on this car is competitive.
Speaker 3: You know. Sure, one of the names on there, it's
Speaker 3: because a lot of legends on there, man, But one
Speaker 3: name in particular, Man.
Speaker 1: How would have done? How long has How would have Done?
Speaker 1: Been around? Man forever? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: He was He's one of the like you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, He was another on Smack DVD. It's certain
Speaker 5: classes of the ship though, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You got the Godfathers of the Grandfathers of the coaching.
Speaker 4: Which was you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know, the Murder Moves of course, the Loaded Lucks,
Speaker 5: J Mills, the party Artis, the t Rex's, the the
Speaker 5: mid Midwest Miles, you got X factor, you got like
Speaker 5: these dudes was on Smack DVD map Hot for Eye
Speaker 5: inside Coloman. You know what I'm saying, These are the
Speaker 5: dudes that's in the coaching that was on the Smack EVD.
Speaker 5: So they considered like the.
Speaker 4: The Godfathers or the grand the Granddaddy's other ship.
Speaker 5: And then you got the U R L class you
Speaker 5: know what i mean, which you know, consists of like
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, the Hollow, the Dons, the
Speaker 5: Tate Rocks, the you know, you know everybody else, Calicos,
Speaker 5: the you know then you know J Mills, I mean
Speaker 5: not J Mills, but like you know, I mean the
Speaker 5: Geechee Gottis, the Rumnittis, the New Jersey Torch, the you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, those are like the newer generations
Speaker 5: of like you know what I'm saying, it's coaching.
Speaker 1: So you know you mentioned the main man that's a
Speaker 1: friend of our show man that's extent.
Speaker 3: His cousin's over here with me right now. Man gott
Speaker 3: you man, that kid really came in and made the impact.
Speaker 4: Man Nutty blocked, Nutty Gang, I heard you over. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was in a hood.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You know, I had to come tap in and see
Speaker 4: what the fuck was going on. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I had to see if someone was certified.
Speaker 4: He showed me he was certified.
Speaker 5: The whole hook came out, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: and it just you know, gave me that hospitality, like
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, made me feel I'm good
Speaker 5: over there anytime I pull up. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: And you know what I mean, it's vice versa on
Speaker 5: my side.
Speaker 4: Way, you know what I'm saying. He come, You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. In New York, but like you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Nah, I saw love.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, geeky, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: One of the best you know what I'm saying in
Speaker 5: the culture right now, hands down, hands down, I speaking
Speaker 5: that real.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, hood shit that you know, real.
Speaker 1: Street dudes appreciate.
Speaker 5: So you know what I'm saying, He's definitely, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, one of my favorites right now. You
Speaker 5: know what I mean, I got a lot, I got
Speaker 5: a great deal of respect, and I'll rock with him
Speaker 5: and shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, you truly a hustler man, And this is gonna
Speaker 3: be on the Caffeine APIs everybody we would have a link.
Speaker 3: We gonna make sure to put a link in the
Speaker 3: description man, so they can go to caffeine Man to
Speaker 3: sign up.
Speaker 1: Man. How did you get plugged up? Man?
Speaker 3: Because I heard a lot of it. Man, You just
Speaker 3: like the world's greatest ustler man. Looked up Man, you
Speaker 3: signed the big deals man with Caffeine.
Speaker 1: That's what I said. Man, he out there getting some paper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to us.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Champagne shopping, champagne poppy. You know what I'm saying, Drake,
Speaker 5: You know you know what I mean. He's the liaison
Speaker 5: between the connection between me and caffeine.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: You know, I got a good relationship with you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying the whole over Yon Drake himself, and
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: We always used to trap it up. And you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 5: He's like such a big you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: battle rap fan and a fan of Smack first and foremost,
Speaker 5: and a fan of the U r L TV movement,
Speaker 5: and you know what I mean, It's just like every
Speaker 5: time we used to see each other, He's like your snack, Yo.
Speaker 4: I promise you, yo, We're gonna do something. Man, We're
Speaker 4: gonna do something.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put a player for us together so we
Speaker 5: can get some money together. I just wanted, basically, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, you know, show my love and
Speaker 5: appreciation of your contributions, of what you brought to this culture,
Speaker 5: and I just want to just get some money with you.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put a play together for you, and you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, We're gonna, We're gonna make something happen.
Speaker 4: I got you, you know what I'm saying. And you know,
Speaker 4: you know he we always used to say that shit.
Speaker 4: He always used to say that shit. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: He popped up to one of my events like, Yo,
Speaker 5: I have to come here and smack you. I'm telling
Speaker 5: you we're gonna do saying, and then he really called
Speaker 5: me like yo, smack yo.
Speaker 4: I got it, Yo. This is what we're doing.
Speaker 5: This, this, this, that and the third you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. You know, so he put that, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, plug together and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: He threw me a layup and I ain't never looked back.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I just took the ball and ran with it. You
Speaker 4: feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's how we linked with caffeine and shit, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. We did the caffeine thing. You know
Speaker 5: what I mean, shot the caffeine. You know, I just
Speaker 5: gave the world the opportunity, like you know what I'm saying, saying,
Speaker 5: to have access. That was our vision, Like you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Because he used to like Drake is
Speaker 5: such a fan.
Speaker 4: He used to be on the phone for like, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I was just going back and
Speaker 4: forth and shit. He's like, Yo, I've seen that event.
Speaker 5: I like this, but this kind of like it took
Speaker 5: me so long to log in and I had troubles,
Speaker 5: like you know what i mean, logging and I can't
Speaker 5: see this shit for.
Speaker 4: Like a certain amount of time, and then it came on.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 4: We got to fix all that.
Speaker 5: So he just felt like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: He wanted to give you know what I mean, a culture,
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying, a better experience when
Speaker 5: it came to having access to the content, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So that was his angle with his
Speaker 5: just like damn, how can I make this shit bigger?
Speaker 5: And you know what i mean, We're just like, yo,
Speaker 5: damn yo. You know it would be dope.
Speaker 4: Fuck the pay per view, Like you know what I'm
Speaker 4: saying that the world actually see this shit for free,
Speaker 4: but you still get your bread, you know what I'm say.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, let's try to do something like that.
Speaker 5: So he created an opportunity for us to link up
Speaker 5: with you know what I mean, a streaming company as Caffeine.
Speaker 5: They was just getting off the ground. They needed the content,
Speaker 5: they needed the you know what I'm saying to use
Speaker 5: a you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Base and shit like that.
Speaker 5: So we had everybody signed up to Caffeine to have
Speaker 5: access to the content, and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: it was a perfect marriage and shit for you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying the time and shit like you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 4: So, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's very dope, man, And I'm a fan of that movement. Man.
Speaker 3: I'm actually got some plays on working man, because I
Speaker 3: do believe that you can make a lot of money
Speaker 3: off of content, man, but get it to the people
Speaker 3: for free. Yeah, absolutely, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: that's one of the good things that technology has brought
Speaker 3: to the table.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And we did it in the middle of the pandemic
Speaker 5: when everybody was stuck in the motherfucking house, you understand.
Speaker 5: So it was like, you know what I mean, it
Speaker 5: just made perfect sense, you know what I mean. It's like, Yo,
Speaker 5: we're gonna just do this shit real quick, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. Everybody's tuned in, everybody's trapped.
Speaker 4: In the house, like you know what I Man, let's
Speaker 4: put on that ship.
Speaker 1: You're now. One of the questions I had, man, because
Speaker 1: I heard you wasn't hosting it this year.
Speaker 4: Nah, I'm hosting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I was just like, you know, I put out a
Speaker 5: thread the other day just like like yo, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like, yo, man, you know I'm fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Into this shit.
Speaker 4: Man, this is something man that's thirteen man, Like you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm like fifteen years into this shit. So
Speaker 5: I'm just like yo, man, Yo, this card is so crazy,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, and so competitive.
Speaker 4: I just want to enjoy it. As from a fan's perspective.
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I want to enjoy your shit, just like I'm a fan.
Speaker 5: First niggas think yo smack just this, that and the third,
Speaker 5: But nah, I really love this shit man. You understand
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So it's like I want to just chill,
Speaker 5: sip on my drink and just watch, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody get busy, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean, instead of like, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So I was just like, yo, man, I'm
Speaker 4: about to do something with you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I might have you know what I mean, just you know,
Speaker 5: just different people host so I might just get a
Speaker 5: co host or whatever, just to turn up, just to
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, so I could just sit
Speaker 5: back and.
Speaker 4: Just enjoy this ship.
Speaker 1: Man. You know, sometimes.
Speaker 3: With it, huh yeah, sometimes you just want to watch
Speaker 3: your son play because you know me and they both.
Speaker 4: You know, my perspective in my view is the best
Speaker 4: view in our house though, because I'm right there in
Speaker 4: front of center.
Speaker 5: But I just want to just get a different you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, point of view and ship like that.
Speaker 5: I want to see how I feel it, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. Sit down, man, I've been standing on
Speaker 5: my feet. You know what I'm saying for years.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm say.
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know them batteries and the eventually longest longest hit man.
Speaker 5: You know, I talking about nine hours standing on your feet.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. Just chilling, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And it's just like yo, I just want
Speaker 4: to be chilling. I just want to sit back and.
Speaker 3: Just enjoy this shit sometimes, man, you know, or yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, for sure, man, I'm gonna asking this question.
Speaker 1: I know I ain't gonna get no answer from you.
Speaker 1: Any predictions.
Speaker 4: Of of of of summer madness?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course madness. Yeah, any predictions. Oh man, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. You know, you know, I don't got no.
Speaker 5: Like I put the car together to figure the ship out, man,
Speaker 5: Like this is what I do it Like I really.
Speaker 1: Like battle with like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I put the car together because I don't know who
Speaker 4: the fuck will win these battles, you know.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna win.
Speaker 5: So it's like I feel like everybody have a chance
Speaker 5: to win. That's why that's how I picked the card,
Speaker 5: because it's so competitive. You got Jerry West versus DNA.
Speaker 5: You got t T, you got t Top against you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, John Johna done like anybody could
Speaker 5: take it.
Speaker 4: You got shotguns, Shigar against motherfucking you know what I'm saying, Fans.
Speaker 1: Against fans.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like that that that's that's crazy.
Speaker 4: You gotta hollow the down versus New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Twurk's crazy.
Speaker 4: You got DNA versus Jerry West.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be crazy. It's a crazy car. Like it's
Speaker 3: a crazy car, and people and.
Speaker 5: People and people are trying to, like, you know, criticize
Speaker 5: the card, saying your shit is Mikia.
Speaker 4: Yo, Bro, I don't do the name shit no more
Speaker 4: like I've been off the name shit. I want people
Speaker 4: that get busy.
Speaker 5: I want people that's gonna go and you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, give one hundred and ten percent when they
Speaker 5: step in that motherfucking stage and really turn up and
Speaker 5: everybody that's battling each other is gonna basically, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, deliver the best performance. Like that's how
Speaker 5: I put the car together. I ain't give a fuck
Speaker 5: about getting who got the biggest profile of that name
Speaker 5: or that nah, like nah, these dudes basically are the
Speaker 5: most consistent in the game right now for my person
Speaker 5: from my point of view.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying wrong, You're keeping it wrong,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: And I guarantee you, and I guarantee you.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that this is gonna be like the
Speaker 1: best card of the year. Guy.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying content wise?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean when it comes to entertainment,
Speaker 5: when it comes to the competitiveness of the culture, I
Speaker 5: guarantee you.
Speaker 4: This ship, Like you know what I'm saying be You
Speaker 4: know what I mean that that that that ship. I'm
Speaker 4: the god of this ship. I'm the god of this ship.
Speaker 1: I'm the god of this ship.
Speaker 4: Let's talk, I'm the god of this ship.
Speaker 1: So so so so so.
Speaker 5: You know, I love when people try to like question
Speaker 5: me and and try to like, we're gonna see what
Speaker 5: it's hitting for we are.
Speaker 4: This is what I do.
Speaker 1: You understand.
Speaker 4: I'm talk You know I'm gonna talk. You're I'm gonna
Speaker 4: talking respectfully, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And you know, at the end of the day, when
Speaker 5: it's all sudding down, i'mna just look and like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I told y'all, so you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like I told y'all, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I want to see anybody else that's doing anything
Speaker 5: else in the motherfucking culture live up to what the
Speaker 5: fuck this ship is gonna live up to.
Speaker 1: Hence done. Like I said, Man, you've done it twice. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, look, let me tell you something before we
Speaker 1: get out of here. Man, it is very hard.
Speaker 3: To pull the needle out the haystack. You feel what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, To think of that one dope idea that's
Speaker 3: life changing. I've had the chance to do it twice
Speaker 3: in my life. You know big, you know, to think
Speaker 3: of something and it's really flourished from me, right, it's
Speaker 3: hard to think of one.
Speaker 1: You've done it.
Speaker 3: You've done it multiple times, and you've created an industry.
Speaker 3: Bro Like, honestly, without you, I probably you talk about
Speaker 3: I inspired you. I wouldn't be doing what I was
Speaker 3: doing without you did the first.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I was the first,
Speaker 5: Like Nigga, I was the first podcast to you know,
Speaker 5: all these podcasts running around, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: and they ain't not even doing Like I'm not even
Speaker 5: gonna I'm not gonna talk too much because I don't
Speaker 5: want to give them too much game. But like you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: now they're not even doing it how they need to
Speaker 5: be doing it. But like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, it's easy to set up a
Speaker 5: microphone and just talk to somebody and just talk shit
Speaker 5: and shit like that. But like at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, man, you know, I could come back anytime
Speaker 5: and take and reign supreme.
Speaker 1: Man, come back on me.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I can come back anytime I want and reign supreme
Speaker 5: because I'm connected to a different and higher source, a
Speaker 5: higher power and the ship.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Like I got the I got
Speaker 4: the realist and the biggest dudes like you know what
Speaker 4: I mean behind me, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: All the dudes that it's over here came up looking
Speaker 4: and watching me. You feel me.
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, anytime I want to want
Speaker 5: one change, I could just press the button. And you
Speaker 5: know that's just the blessings and the gift that I
Speaker 5: have for the from the contributions that you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, I gave to this ship.
Speaker 4: And you know what, dude that's in position, that's real respected.
Speaker 1: They respected. You know what it is too, Man.
Speaker 3: I can tell that everything you do, you come in
Speaker 3: to it with the intended just doing the dopest thing possible.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what the problem is today with
Speaker 3: just in general, with content and everything else.
Speaker 1: Everybody is looking to make a bag. Everybody's looking to
Speaker 1: make a bag. Man. But I appreciate you man coming
Speaker 1: to sit down with us.
Speaker 4: Man, You'll remember, definitely, Man, I had a good time.
Speaker 4: I had a good time.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm sure nobody like.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Yo, man, when when when
Speaker 5: you I'm ready?
Speaker 1: When you ready man?
Speaker 3: Or you know you know what the next time, man,
Speaker 3: the next time I want you to be sitting out
Speaker 3: here with us. When the next time you be on
Speaker 3: the coast.
Speaker 5: A ship man, I don't even know. I don't even
Speaker 5: got no no nothing on my itiner rate right now
Speaker 5: for l A or CALLI. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 5: right now? But ship we we we we can make
Speaker 5: it something.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, me and me and eight will be in
Speaker 3: New York the first of the year. We're gonna go
Speaker 3: make our little run out. There's time.
Speaker 1: We got to go to New York. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. We can run out there.
Speaker 4: Dog we go bump in to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Nah, Just keep the lines open, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm gonna get your information, You're gonna take.
Speaker 4: Minds, and then we're gonna definitely keep the lines of
Speaker 4: communications open, you know what I mean, and connect.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: If you ain't doing nothing on the twenty seven, come
Speaker 4: come pull up, man, you.
Speaker 1: Gotta come pull up like I might just do that.
Speaker 5: I might, you know what you know I'm gonna roll out,
Speaker 5: you know, yo, listen, I'm rolling out the red carpet.
Speaker 4: You know we got to keep it. You know, we
Speaker 4: got the key to the city for the weekend. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I got, I got, I got,
Speaker 4: I got a lot of.
Speaker 1: Ship going off for the whole weekend.
Speaker 5: Come come come through and that you you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's that's you know, be the you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, the official start of an introduction.
Speaker 4: Of like you know what I'm saying for real, like yo,
Speaker 4: come come pull up.
Speaker 1: For sure for sure.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: So that concludes this episode.
Speaker 3: But before we go, I need you guys to go
Speaker 3: in that description going to the description down there, man,
Speaker 3: because some of y'all out there, I wonder about some
Speaker 3: of y'all.
Speaker 1: Love y'all, but I wonder go down there and hit
Speaker 1: that caffeineling.
Speaker 3: So on August twenty seven, when it jumps off, you
Speaker 3: don't miss out because it's gonna be something to talk about.
Speaker 1: Trust murder out So man is thirteen.
Speaker 4: Don't miss history. Be a part of it. You're let's
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: On that note, were out of here. Well, that concludes
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