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Speaker 1: you can see at crime online dot com talking to

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Speaker 1: her eight year old child through the ring security camera

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Speaker 1: in her bedroom. How is it happening? How do we

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Speaker 1: stop it? I did a lot of research on these

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Speaker 1: before I got him, you know, like I really felt

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Speaker 1: like it was safe. The camera was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: an added level of protection away for Ashley Lamy to

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on her three daughters and seemed close

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Speaker 1: by while working her overnight nurse shifts. The ring camera

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Speaker 1: was a Black Friday deal and came with a recommendation

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Speaker 1: from another mom. She had one, and she was, you know,

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Speaker 1: like watching her kids on her phone, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you can actually speak to them. That's that's really neat

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Speaker 1: four days after the camera went up, eight year old

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Speaker 1: Alyssa heard something strange coming from her room. First one happened.

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Speaker 1: I was in the holiday up bottom my sisters. I

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Speaker 1: hear some banging noise. I was like, who's that, Dear

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Speaker 1: Lord in heaven, you were just hearing WMC five Action

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Speaker 1: nives your poor Jessica Hallege describing a horrible, horrible event

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Speaker 1: in any mother's life. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. More and more we

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Speaker 1: are hearing about home security devices being hacked by purps.

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Speaker 1: How's it happening? How do we stop it? Joining me

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Speaker 1: right now, the mother who discovered her reading camera had

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Speaker 1: been hated. Ashley LeMay with me. Ben Levitan, my longtime

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Speaker 1: friend and colleague, telecommunications expert out of Raleigh. You can

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Speaker 1: find him at ben Levitan dot com. He's been with

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Speaker 1: me through thick and thin. Doctor Daniel Bober, renowned forensic psychiatrists.

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Speaker 1: You can find him on Instagram. Doctor Daniel Bober and

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Speaker 1: the host of America Talks on Newsmax TV. Former NYPD

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Speaker 1: John Cardillo. But right now to Levi page investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com LEVI what happened Nancy. This family

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Speaker 1: in Mississippi, this is just outside of Memphis, claims that

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Speaker 1: a hacker got access to their ring camera that they

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Speaker 1: placed in their eight year old daughter's bedroom. They only

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Speaker 1: had the ring camera for a couple of days. It

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Speaker 1: was a Black Friday deal. And this mother, Ashley LeMay,

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Speaker 1: she got it because she's a nurse. She works overnights

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Speaker 1: things get creepy. A voice started talking to her eight

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Speaker 1: saying I'm your best friend. And Ashley LeMay said, in

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Speaker 1: another incident, their father was watching the children while she

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Speaker 1: should that be a felony? Because when I have to

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Speaker 1: that may be the first issue right there, leaving leaving

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Speaker 1: to the mom who brought this to light, Ashley LeMay,

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Speaker 1: Ashley LeMay, you must have had a heart attack. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't even get words out when I first watch

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Speaker 1: They're convinced the government is spying on them. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: from the borings of our home. But Ashley, having somebody

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Speaker 1: I can't help it. Once you have children, something takes

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Speaker 1: So you go in. You want a security device. What happens?

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Speaker 1: So I've heard this a security device, and the next

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Speaker 1: but it's not common. So for somebody who didn't know me,

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Speaker 1: and it was a combination with a very old address

426
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Speaker 1: that was never even associated with me. Good gravy. Yes, so,

427
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: ben Levitan. If you haven't broken into Facebook or the

428
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: the insurance or the the whatever and stolen passwords, how

429
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: do people hack in? There are very sophisticated which that

430
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Speaker 1: someone could have hacked into, for example, uh, into ring itself,

431
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: but this is not likely. Most hacks are very very simple.

432
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: The device was up and on the default password for

433
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: a short period of time, it's possible they got it

434
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: then Uh, it's possible that you got confirmation email back

435
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: that was had or your husband had a different user

436
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: name and password. Uh, And they're just you know, there

437
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: are just the numerous tools out there, which we call

438
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: this fruit force ACKs that will just try every combination

439
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: of names and numbers and whatnot till they get too

440
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: John Cardillo, host of America, talks on news Max TV

441
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: former NYPD the specter of someone driving through your neighborhood

442
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: trying to pick up activity on nanny cams or rings.

443
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: How does that work? That's a scary thought. Yeah, so

444
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: as I you know, as as I first saw this

445
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: case and I watched Ashley's husband on TV, I was infuriated.

446
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: I want to see this treated as a burglary. You know,

447
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and four or five, when the

448
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: Internet was really proliferating social networks, I was doing a

449
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of work with the National Center for Missing the

450
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: Exploited Children, and we realized, Nancy, that we didn't have

451
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: laws to address the pedophile sexual predator threat on social networks. Well,

452
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: now every home has a ring. I have two rings.

453
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm at home right now. I've got one on my

454
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: front gate and I've got one on my garage which

455
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: is in the back of the house, on that gate

456
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: to cover both in and out of the house. And

457
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: then I've got cameras in the house on a different system.

458
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: The security the alarm provider we don't have. And I'm

459
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: a small government guy. You know that We've argued about it.

460
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: But in this case, I would like to see legislation

461
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: that treats these people as felony burglars and treats them

462
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: with the same stiff sentencing that we see when somebody

463
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: solicits the child over the internet. What happened to Ashley's

464
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: daughter was predation. It was a predecessor to grooming a child.

465
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think the next step was hey,

466
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: little girl, take off your clothes. When you combine that

467
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: creepy song, this was a disturbed person. I want to

468
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: see a Jessica's Law type sentence in these laws. And

469
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: damn the trial bar and bleeding heart lawyers that say

470
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: they don't like mandatory minimums. I'd like to see a

471
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: defender over nineteen, victim under fourteen twenty five years, no parole,

472
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: first defense, life because here's the unintended consequence. Ashley is

473
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: a nurse. She's out there trying to save people's lives overnight.

474
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: But now she's distracted, worrying about her children, and she's

475
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: never going to trust a home security device again, a camera. Again.

476
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: This isn't a joke. We can't laugh this off and say, oh,

477
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: it's some loser in his mom's basement, because I'm going

478
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: back to where you started. Now her family doesn't feel

479
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: safe in their own home. Now they don't feel safe.

480
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: And let me tell you how her case resonated. I

481
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: belong to a couple of law enforcement fraternal groups. There

482
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: were cops in the groups putting up posts about Ashley's

483
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: case saying, Hey, if there are any cops in that area,

484
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: we'll join you. Guys, We'll sit outside of this family's

485
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: home off duty. This is how her case has resonated

486
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: because people have kids, and people have cameras, and they

487
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: were infuriated because the person that did this to her

488
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: family was scum, targeting an eight year old child in

489
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: her bedroom with one purpose to terrorize her and to

490
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: create fear in that family. And I think we need

491
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: to address this at a legislative level. And let's also

492
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: put penalties in the place for the people who watch

493
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: these videos. Blood curdling screams ring out. A concerned resident

494
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 1: goes outside to investigate. Captured on her doorbell camera are

495
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: the sounds of a woman crying out for help. You

496
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: can also hear a man's voice. It appears the cries

497
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: are coming from this white car zooming down the street.

498
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: This is the home where the camera captured the screams

499
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: and the car speeding away. A neighbor told me she

500
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: saw the struggle happening just two doors down and it

501
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: left her terrified. Car is right here, parked right here,

502
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: park right here, right here, to bunted. A car was industry.

503
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: So for a ring doorbell cam can't pick up that

504
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: screaming outside? What else can happen? Is it an open door?

505
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: In other words, can the reverse happen? We know now? Yes,

506
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: Ashley LeMay with me her ring camera hacked. I'm looking

507
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: at the video right now, with your little girl just

508
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: standing there paused as she hears this voice. Ashley LeMay

509
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: with me right now, Ashley, is there any chance the

510
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: cops can catch this guy? I really don't know. I mean,

511
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that with the amount of national

512
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: intention the story has gotten, I think that they have

513
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 1: a much better chance, and I'm so thankful to um,

514
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, even the person who just spoke about these posts,

515
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: I actually had no idea about that that, you know,

516
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: they had asked people to sit outside my house and

517
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: things like that, and I really, I mean, I'm I'm

518
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: really amazed at how everyone has come together to try

519
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: and help find out who did this. And one thing

520
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: that I will say is that I feel like they

521
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: have a better chance because I've had other victims reach

522
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: out to me. I mean multiple victims reach out to

523
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: me and tell me that, you know, thank you for

524
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: kind of having a voice, because a lot of us

525
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: were scared to speak up. And you know, because it

526
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: happened to a child, I felt like I had no choice.

527
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: That was kind of the only thing that gave me.

528
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: And guess a little bit of sense of something I

529
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: could do for her is just you know, be her

530
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: voice and tell her that I won't allow this, you know.

531
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: But I think that because they happened around at the

532
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: same time, like all of these hats that were related

533
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: to this podcast, they happened between eight fifteen and eight

534
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: thirty PM, or the majority of them did, and I

535
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: think that they will be able to narrow it down

536
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: to one location if they can find them. I'm not sure,

537
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: but I do think that they have a lot more

538
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: information than they do in most cases because of the

539
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: amount of attention that just received and people you know,

540
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: coming forward to help. I was reading about another case

541
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: that happened in San Jose, California through Google nest. The

542
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: mom and dad were at work and their eighteen month

543
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: old baby was home with a nanny, and a woman's

544
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: voice came through the device. She originally stayed the family

545
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: had a nice house, but then got angrier and angrier

546
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: and then said, I'm coming for the baby if you

547
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: don't answer me to the nanny. I mean, can you

548
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: even imagine that happening? Rhing cameras are a located all

549
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: across the country and very easily might could pull up

550
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: locations of over twenty thousand rhing cameras and it wasn't

551
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: even hard for them to do. So how does it happen?

552
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Can the purp be caught? To Ashley LeMay, her rhing

553
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: camera hacked with her a little eight year old girl

554
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: being addressed directly by some perv? Ashley, do you believe

555
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: the purp could be someone you know? No? I don't

556
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: I did it first because they they knew my fears.

557
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that insidious you know that movie

558
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: in that song is you know, a fear for a

559
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: lot of people. UM. But they also knew that. You know,

560
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Elissa was my um, but you know, as my oldest

561
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: and you know, for a short time, I was a

562
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: single mom um. And not to say that, I mean,

563
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: I love all of my child here and you know, equally,

564
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: but we have kind of like a special bond, you know,

565
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: I feel like more of a protection towards her. So

566
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: with them interacting with her the way they did, it

567
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: made me feel like they knew that I was that

568
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: was a fear of mine. And you know, I don't

569
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: know if at the beginning of the video, you can

570
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: hear this person moaning while they're watching my child. And

571
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: there's another video prior to this where it's just playing

572
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: music and they're they're making noises, you know, like moaning

573
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: and things like that. And the video right before that,

574
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: before this person hatch, was a video of my two

575
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: year old going upstairs to change chance and I just

576
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: recently watched that because I was terrified to even see

577
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: what this person saw. But I felt like at this

578
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: point I needed to know. But you know, I believe

579
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: with every noun to me that this was a child credator. Yes,

580
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's somebody I know, just because

581
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: it happened to people across the nation, and they were

582
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: all linked to the same time period in the same podcast,

583
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: and you can hear the same voice in a couple

584
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: of these videos. We were We were the first one

585
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: that were linked to the podcast. You know, our story

586
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: happened on December fourth, and all the ones I've heard,

587
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as I know, everyone that happened

588
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: kind of after ours, you know about like the sixth

589
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: through the tenths. And like I said, I don't think

590
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: it's somebody I know, But I do think that it's

591
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: somebody who had, you know, an interest in messing with

592
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: my child. Are you talking about the nulled cast podcast? Yes,

593
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at CBS. What's up?

594
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: How's your day? The videos are alarming, and the most recent,

595
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: a disembodied voice scares a woman sound asleep in Connecticut

596
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: Hope Discovery with Field. In another case, a hacker talks

597
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: to an eight year old girl in her bedroom. I'm

598
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: your best friend. I'm Santa claus In others, the unknown

599
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: voices use racist taunts. According to a Vice News report,

600
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: some of the incidents may have been prompted by Noldcast,

601
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: a podcast that encourages hackers to prank ring camera owners

602
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: and stream it live. Allegedly, those who run the show

603
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: have used social media to ask hackers to calm down

604
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: due to the investigations on its site. Nold says the

605
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: group does not and will not tolerate this kind of harassment. Well,

606
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: guess what, that's what they're encouraging. It sounds like to me,

607
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: to doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrists joining us out of

608
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: the floor, to jurisdiction, doctor Daniel Bober, it's so scary.

609
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: And I compare it to people that groom children on

610
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: the playground or the video arcade or them all or

611
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: in chat rooms. It's the same thing you talked to

612
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: the child, taught to the child, convince a child to

613
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: keep it a secret until you lure the child out

614
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: of the home. Absolutely, Nancy, and I mean this is

615
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: pure grooming behavior, like exactly what you said. Whether it's

616
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, in the mall or in a video arct,

617
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: it's exactly the same thing. And whether these people are

618
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: doing it to try to groom these kids, or whether

619
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: they're doing it you're for pure sadistic indulgence. It's still,

620
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, in my mind, just a serious crime. Let

621
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: me tell you something, Bober. I don't know how you're

622
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: going to break this down with your psychiatric degree, but

623
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: I know this purely anecdotal, But every time I had

624
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: a peeping Tom, it grew into something much worse, such

625
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: as child abuse, rape, sodomy, burglary. That's where it always starts.

626
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: And that's what these people are. They are peeping Tom.

627
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: Ben Levitan, just explain to me. I find it very

628
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: difficult to believe that you can't tell the IP address

629
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: from the gains access to your camera. I find that

630
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: very difficult to understand. Nancy. It's very easy to UH

631
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: beat that you're just basically routing it through multiple uh

632
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: anonymous routers all over the world. I mean, it's very

633
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: easy to do. It's kind of a system that passes

634
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: your messages for your request from one computer to another

635
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: computer around the world. So it makes it extremely difficult

636
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: to find that you could trace it back to one

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Speaker 1: or two links. And that's it, Nancy. I want to

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Speaker 1: go back to Ashley LeMay, Ashley, what's the fallout, how

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Speaker 1: is your child? How are you? What's your message to

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Speaker 1: other parents? UM, we're really just shaking up at in

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Speaker 1: the moment. I mean, and I think figuring out all

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Speaker 1: of this to do with the podcast and everything else,

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00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: it just kind of confirmed that I'm not as parenthoid

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Speaker 1: as I thought, or that maybe maybe I am, but

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Speaker 1: you know this, UM, maybe I need to be, and

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Speaker 1: that you know, my child is she homeschooled, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons that we did that

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Speaker 1: was because of boys and that being such a real thing.

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Speaker 1: And you know, even locally around near me, um, near

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Speaker 1: my house, not not too far from me, a teenager recently,

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Speaker 1: um committed suicide because a boy and that was a

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Speaker 1: real you know, and we're we're near a very good school. UM,

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Speaker 1: but that was something that you know, I felt like

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Speaker 1: my child was safe because she was she was homeschooled,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I was involved in the community

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Speaker 1: that she was a part of. And you know, it

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00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: was never about sheltering or really like control. It was

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Speaker 1: just you um that I felt like she was safe

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Speaker 1: and you know, she was happy, she loved and I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's now she's wetting the bed. Um, she can't sleep

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Speaker 1: in her room, and you know, we're we're trying to

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Speaker 1: re ship the room around and all this. And you know,

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Speaker 1: one thing that we're struggling with is that you know,

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Speaker 1: this only had our house using into Mark and you

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Speaker 1: know this is something that we you know, worked really hard,

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Speaker 1: you know, really hard for me, and you know this

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Speaker 1: is something that we all loved. And Um, this is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be a really happy first Christmas and I

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Speaker 1: new home and now, I mean, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: even want to finish Christmas shopping for my shoulder and

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Speaker 1: I just don't want to do anything. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: had to take a medical leaves from work. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's turned my whole life upside down. And you know,

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Speaker 1: over those four days that I have the cameras, it's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's going to affect my child, aiming for

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Speaker 1: the rest of my life. Um. And and she she's

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Speaker 1: kind of up and down that she I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: the one thing that she really wants to you know,

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00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: get away from here for a few days. Um, that's

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Speaker 1: something that she really wants. And I just, you know,

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Speaker 1: with having to read on on the room right at Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know that's something that you know, we

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Speaker 1: could do right now. So I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I said, we're just we're having a hard time. But

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Speaker 1: one of our messages apparents is that, Yeah, when you're

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00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: reading these stories, um, maybe it look past you know,

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Speaker 1: all the questions of why did you have this in

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Speaker 1: their room or why did you die and and look

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Speaker 1: at the fact that this is an eight year old

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Speaker 1: and there's a much bigger projector out here than you know,

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Speaker 1: the idea of me having a camera and my child's bedrooms, Um,

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Speaker 1: and real hoist that can pass. Wait wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: wait Ashley, are people actually attacking you because you have that? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've had all kinds of like hate messages

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Speaker 1: from and it's and I don't care honestly, Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: anybody can say anything they want to because at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, like my daughter looked at them

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Speaker 1: and when I mean, and she came downstairs and she

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00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: was like, this is not Santa Claus. And if this

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Speaker 1: would have happened to a child who wasn't love and

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00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: who wasn't educated and you know, taught these things, then

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that their reaction would have been

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00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: the same. So anybody can comment on anything they want too,

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00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I just want them to see the

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00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: bigger picture here that this like this can happen to you.

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Speaker 1: You know, Ashley, I'm just sick that people have haters

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Speaker 1: have decided to pick on you. I mean, I'm used

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Speaker 1: to it because I you know, I remember my first

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00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: hate me. It was a death threat from the Fulton

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Speaker 1: County Jail. That was facts to me. Okay, that was

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00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: only it wasn't too hard to solve. But I was

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00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: kind of like, all right, yeah, you come and get

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00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: me when you're out of jail in twenty five years. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So but my point is there are so many haters

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Speaker 1: out there. I don't even care about them. I dread

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Speaker 1: the day that my children go on and read all

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Speaker 1: the ugly things that have ever been said. I hate

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Speaker 1: that thought. But you, Ashley, I anyone else can let

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Speaker 1: somebody else stop you from doing the right thing. And

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Speaker 1: the right thing is to protect your children. That's why

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Speaker 1: you had the nanny cams so you could talk to

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Speaker 1: them and protect them. I don't understand the hater's thinking

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Speaker 1: because clearly you're trying to be close to your children

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Speaker 1: and a nurse to boot. It's not like you're some

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Speaker 1: investment banker on Wall Street just trying to rake in

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00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: the money. You're actually trying to help people. Did you

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Speaker 1: take down the cameras? Yes, we unplug them immediately. I

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00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: mean when they wouldn't you know, my husband actually ran

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00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: in there. It says, I peened your IP address and

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Speaker 1: I'm sending the police to your house, you know, And

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Speaker 1: then they wouldn't stop. They were actually using racial slurs

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Speaker 1: with my daughter also, and she had never even heard

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Speaker 1: that word. So she my husband unplugged the cameras and

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Speaker 1: they've they've been down ever since. I mean, we haven't

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Speaker 1: plugged them back up or done anything with them. You know.

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Speaker 1: I thank God for one thing, and that is that

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Speaker 1: whoever was talking to your child did not lure her

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Speaker 1: out of the home. And my prayer is that she

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Speaker 1: makes a complete recovery from this. And I know that

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard. People may not get it, but

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Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be hard. Things like that still

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Speaker 1: with you the rest of your life. And now you

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Speaker 1: have another duty, Ashley Lamay. In addition from being a

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00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: nurse and a mom. You got to help her get

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Speaker 1: past it. Guys, Ash's messaged today is to be ever vigilant.

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Speaker 1: We've brought to you some of the world's finest experts

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Speaker 1: to help you fight back against crime and protect your children.

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Speaker 1: I am so honored to have met you, even over

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Speaker 1: the airwaves. Ashley Ben Daniel, John Levi, thank you and

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Speaker 1: to all of our listeners. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,