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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pisapa, and

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Speaker 1: today we're gonna talk about polarizing players with two very

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Speaker 1: non polarizing personalities, two of my favorite people. They're so congenial,

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Speaker 1: they're so nice. Certainly they're gonna have to dig deep

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Speaker 1: today to find some negativity on some of the players.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about today's Pat Fitzmorris, My Pattick Caggs

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Speaker 1: and mister Big Pod Energy Andrew Erickson. Today on the program,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about some of the more divisive assets

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Speaker 1: out there in fantasy football. And of course we want

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Speaker 1: you to chime in on the YouTube channel. Subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the YouTube channel, drop your comments below like this video

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Speaker 1: is a very easy thing to do, and we appreciate

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Speaker 1: it over here. So, gents, let's take a look at

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Speaker 1: some of the polarizing guys out there, and let's start

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Speaker 1: with some of the early round picks. Obviously, Christian McCaffery

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Speaker 1: a little polarizing between these two guys because Pat has

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Speaker 1: them ranked number seven overall ericson all the way at nineteen.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like I should put on my wig,

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Speaker 1: but it's not here for fantasy, almost like there's some

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Speaker 1: judgments to be handed out here. Pat fitz Morris, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about why people should feel good about Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: coming off a great season in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five, because scared money don't make money. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean history says that if Christian McCaffrey stays

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Speaker 3: healthy all season, he's giving us two thousand yards from scrimmage,

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Speaker 3: double digit touchdowns, a whole bunch of bonus points if

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Speaker 3: you're in a PPR half point PPR league. Yes, CMC

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Speaker 3: does have a pretty extensive injury history.

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Speaker 2: He just turned.

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Speaker 3: Thirty, and he got a lot of touches last season.

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Speaker 3: There is an elevated injury risk. But McCaffrey has given

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Speaker 3: us either sixteen or seventeen games at three of the

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Speaker 3: last four years, And if he gets hurt and misses

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Speaker 3: some games this year, well, I know he's going to

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Speaker 3: smash in almost every game he plays. So if he

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Speaker 3: even gives us twelve games, we're going to get twelve

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Speaker 3: games of smash. So I think we just need to

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Speaker 3: get like twelve or thirteen games, fourteen games out of

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Speaker 3: him to have him be worth that mid first round pick.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Joe, I've been playing this silly little game

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Speaker 3: of fantasy football for a long time. And my first yeah,

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Speaker 3: my first draft in a season long fantasy football league.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a month before Nirvana released never Mind.

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Speaker 1: Oh my.

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Speaker 3: One thing I have learned about drafting over the years,

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Speaker 3: like maximizing upside is more important than minimizing downside. And

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Speaker 3: that's why I'm willing to draft Christian McCaffrey in the

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to remember it was never Mind ninety one,

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Speaker 1: ninety one, ninety ninety, nineteen ninety I was wrong. Ye

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Speaker 1: oh wait, No, I was right the first time September

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one, two days before my birthday.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty fun right there. So I can't

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Speaker 1: who did you draft? Do you remember who you drafted

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one? Do you remember the player?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It was Barry He always remember you always remember

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Speaker 3: your first ever. It was Barry Sanders. He was my

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Speaker 1: Just talked about him on the tailgate. I know it

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Speaker 1: was like, so we on the tailgate In a new episode,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna drop, so go check out Tailgate. We just

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Speaker 1: talked about players that we'd love to give a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl ring to in mine was Barry Sanders, so it's

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Speaker 1: my first jersey. Very cool. So there you go, full

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Speaker 1: circle moment today, Andrew, I guess the red light therapy

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Speaker 1: and all the stuff that he was doing in Europe

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Speaker 1: is not enough for you. I understand the workload the

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Speaker 1: next year typically is when it shows up, right, So

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Speaker 1: it's diceing. He's another player approaching thirty very quickly. So

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Speaker 1: talk to me about why your so blow consensus because

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Speaker 1: Pat is right. Work consensus is seven overall is where

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Speaker 1: CMC is going. Basically, you are not even a first

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Speaker 1: rounder for CMC. So let's talk about why you clearly

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Speaker 1: are having no shares of him.

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Speaker 4: This year because history also says that you fade the

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Speaker 4: guy that led the NFL and touches the year before,

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Speaker 4: especially when it's four hundred and fifty, and especially when

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Speaker 4: it's Christian McCaffrey, who has done this twice already in

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Speaker 4: his NFL career, led the league in touches the following seasons,

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Speaker 4: he was nowhere near a number three overall finisher. So

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Speaker 4: for me, of last thirteen years, only one running back

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Speaker 4: upside case for Christian McCaffrey. But this is a really

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Speaker 4: it with Sake one last year, did it with CMC

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Speaker 4: think works. And for those reasons, I'm just not gonna

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Speaker 1: Look, I feel like I'm somewhere in the middle. Last year,

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Speaker 1: I love the best ball version of McAffrey because I

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Speaker 1: knew that wasn't gonna last by the time we got

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Speaker 1: kind of out and I was wrong. So Pat was right.

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Speaker 1: Scared money don't make money, and more lessons from Pat

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Speaker 1: Fitzmorris from the hood. We'll be here on the show

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Speaker 1: to make sure you hang out with us. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the top three guys in nineteen ninety one had Barry Sanders,

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Speaker 1: Emmett Smith. There not too shabby, fancy, not too shabby

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Speaker 1: in fact, back in the day, that was where it

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Speaker 1: was at all. Right, let's get to another guy, Chase Brown.

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Speaker 1: Now Pat's got him at twenty one, so not necessarily overall,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so respectful, but not great ericson. You are

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Speaker 1: very aggressive when it comes to Chase Brown. So let's

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Speaker 1: make the case for Chase Brown here. Because Chase Brown

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Speaker 1: obviously isn't an offense that can be prolific if everybody,

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Speaker 1: for once, for the love of God, would just stay

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Speaker 1: healthy and perform. Well, you got Burrow, you've got Chase,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like there's a lot of competition for

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Speaker 1: him in this backfield, so let's talk about what that

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Speaker 1: upside is for him. Now, clearly you are above consensus

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Speaker 1: on Brown, so talk about all the reasons why people

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Speaker 4: I can't, I mean, what has happened to the real

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Speaker 4: path Thiss Morris, where I'm the high man on Chase

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Speaker 4: Brown and he is below consensus on Chase Brown when

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Speaker 4: he has been pounding the table for the former Illinois workhorse,

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Speaker 4: when he is so teed up to absolutely smash in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. Last year, Chase Brown finished as the

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Speaker 4: he was fifth and expected fantasy points per game. I

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Speaker 4: think that he's going to see a bellcow type of

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Speaker 4: usage in a Joe Burrow led offense. He won Fantasy

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Speaker 4: football leagues last year RB three from weeks thirteen through seventeen,

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Speaker 4: over twenty half PPR points per game. He's averaged nearly

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Speaker 4: fourteen hund yards and scrimmage back to back seasons, final

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Speaker 4: year of his rookie contract. I think the Bengals have

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Speaker 4: all the incentive in the world to run Chase Brown

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Speaker 4: into the ground into this elite offense. And if Samaj

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Speaker 4: p Ryan is the only guy that's standing in his way,

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Speaker 4: he was productive with p Ryan was operating as a

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Speaker 4: p Ryan's body of work. I think Chase Brown can

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Speaker 4: List of running backs for at least four hundred receiving

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Speaker 1: With everything that went wrong for the Bengals last year,

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Speaker 1: Chase Brown went right. He was the eighth running back

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Speaker 1: in half PPR last year. FITZI, the consensus has Chase

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Speaker 1: Brown at seventeen and you got him at twenty one.

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Speaker 1: So not only you're not a fan anymore, it feels

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Speaker 1: like you are hitting, You're out. What's become of you

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Speaker 3: Fitzi, Man, I don't want to be the Chase Brown fader.

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Speaker 3: I do like to think I was an early Chase

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Speaker 2: I had him in multiple leagues that year. So from

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Speaker 3: Of twenty twenty four, when he made his first start

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Speaker 3: that year, he was RB eight and a half point

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Speaker 3: PPR Fantasy points per game. Last year, RB eight in

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Speaker 3: half point PPR maybe twenty one overall is a smidge low.

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Speaker 4: I am up move him up.

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Speaker 3: I do think your top ten r thinking for him

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Speaker 3: Ericson was a little bit ambitious. I don't see him

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Speaker 3: seemingly have no one else in that backfield with samaj

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Speaker 3: if Joe Burrow is healthy all season. But yeah, he's good.

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Speaker 3: He plays in a prolific offense. I just don't see

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Speaker 3: him as a borderline first round pick. I do think

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Speaker 3: he's more of a low end RB one than a

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Speaker 1: All Right, So controversy here to start the show. I

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Speaker 1: love it as being a controversy. This next player we

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Speaker 1: just is kicking out of his own way. Just can't

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Speaker 1: do it, Rushi Rice, And look again, Fitcy, you talked

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Speaker 1: about scared money. This might be terrified money for me.

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Speaker 1: The ECRs at twenty seven on him, you're at thirty six,

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Speaker 1: Andrews at twenty one. Fitzy, I gotta say I'm a

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Speaker 1: little bit closer to who you are when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Rushie Rice, because I look around the other players

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Speaker 1: where he's going near, and I just feel a little

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Speaker 1: bit more comfortable, a little cozier, my little blanket, just

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Speaker 1: pull up and put the fireplays on, watch the NFL

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Speaker 1: and not have to worry about is my number one

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Speaker 1: wide receiver on my fantasy team going to get arrested

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Speaker 1: this week for something else stupid? And it just feels

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Speaker 1: like that is almost an inevitability, and we're supposed to,

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Speaker 1: like somehow ignore all that and think that everything's going

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Speaker 1: to be bright and sunny. And maybe it will be,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like the percentage of that after watching

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years unfold, it's just screaming otherwise

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Speaker 1: at you. So talk to me about Rushia Rice and

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Speaker 1: why this is a player that seems like you are

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Speaker 1: staying away from this year.

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Speaker 3: Last year we got that discount because of the suspension

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Speaker 3: to start this season. There's no discount this year at

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Speaker 3: ECR twenty seven overall. And Rice is a PPR machine.

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Speaker 3: He's great after the catch. Andy Reid loves dialing up

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Speaker 3: those wide receiver screens. But yes, there's obviously some risk here,

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Speaker 3: character risk, injury risk. Rashid Rice has missed twenty two

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Speaker 3: regular season games the last two years due to suspension

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Speaker 3: and injury. So I know what I said earlier with

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Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey and playing for upside, and there's undeniable upside

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Speaker 3: with Rashie Rice. But I do think Xavier Worthy could

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Speaker 3: be more of a thorn in Rice's side than he was.

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Speaker 2: A year ago.

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Speaker 3: Look Worthy was really good over the second half of

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Speaker 3: last year. Worthy dislocated his shoulder when that infamous friendly

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Speaker 3: fire collision with Travis Kelcey and the chief season opener.

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Speaker 4: Just chasing the upside. Top five wide receiver last year

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Speaker 4: So if he is scoring a ton of touchdowns still

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Speaker 4: I still believe that he is the best receiver on

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Speaker 4: how much more of Travis Kelsey we're gonna get. He's

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that he's not without his warts, but

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Speaker 4: guy that you can get outside and he's not where,

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Speaker 4: he's not being ranked anywhere. You're the top five wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: So all right, I mean, I feel like the tailgates

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Speaker 1: here on FP from this conversation some stuff. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's get to another guy here, Karen Williams, a guy

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Speaker 1: that annually is very divisive. There. It feels like ever

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Speaker 1: funny to watch what happens. The consensus ECR is at

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Speaker 1: forty five. So we're talking about one significantly higher than ECR.

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Speaker 1: Andrew is running for the hills. Andrew is it because

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Speaker 1: explain this to me? Why are you so out on Kyron? Well?

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Speaker 4: I feel like the season that I decided to be

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Speaker 4: disclosure there, and I'm maybe teeing up to be wrong

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Speaker 4: yet again. Koram does scare me because even though Kyrine

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Speaker 4: fifty four percent of the goal line carries last year

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Speaker 4: hasn't finished top five in terms of full fantasy standing

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Speaker 4: the last three seasons when he's been the belcal for

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Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford. So my question is not of can he

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Speaker 4: think he can. I just get concerned of how much

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Speaker 4: higher is his ceiling really? I mean, he's had, he's

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Speaker 4: RB ten, that's nothing. That's not a bad finish by

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Speaker 4: any means, But when he's being drafted as the RB twelve,

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Speaker 4: Blake Korum keeps getting better? What if he is the

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Speaker 4: Kymer Walms doesn't score as many rushing touchdowns He scored

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Speaker 4: his fewest rushing touchdowns last season. And the other thing

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Speaker 4: want to dissuay anybody from saying that Kymrian can't finish

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily want to buy that. Where he's been drafted.

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Speaker 1: RB six, RB seven, RB nine last three years in

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Speaker 1: for me, where are you at here with Kyle Williams

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Speaker 1: Because you're above consensus.

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Speaker 3: I am, and I've been kind of slow to come

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Speaker 3: don't know, maybe I will get the rug yanked out.

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Speaker 1: From under me this year, but maybe maybe.

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Speaker 3: So far three years of RB one production, three years

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Speaker 3: forty four touchdowns in forty five regular season games over

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Speaker 3: the last three years for Kien Williams. The Rams are

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Speaker 3: points this year. Kyron is the preferred short yardage touch

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Speaker 2: Could still pay off on this price point.

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Speaker 1: I love to hear from everybody here in the chats

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Speaker 1: Remember it's it's basically like polling, right, It's it's not truth,

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Speaker 1: it's the it's a year too early where Andrew is like, nah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many times does this poor guy have

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Speaker 1: really interesting stuff here. We're gonna keep with this conversation

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Speaker 3: Like Ericson and I have been on Team Waddle together.

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Speaker 3: When we did the ranking show last year, both of

433
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Speaker 3: us often had Wattle ranked above consensus in any given week.

434
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Speaker 3: I think he's a terrific player. I do worry a

435
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Speaker 3: bit about the target volume. The Broncos were fourth in

436
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Speaker 3: past attempts last season. The year before they were eleventh.

437
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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, Sean Payton's first year in Denver,

438
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Speaker 3: they were twenty seventh, and it wasn't Bonicks at quarterback

439
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, it was Russell Wilson. And while

440
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Speaker 3: it wasn't a vintage Russell Wilson season, he wasn't terrible

441
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Speaker 3: that year. He averaged six point nine yards per tenth,

442
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: which is actually better than the YPA for Bo Nicks

443
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Speaker 3: in either of his two seasons.

444
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Speaker 2: Nicks is only at six point four last year.

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Speaker 3: And as you said, Joe, the Broncos certainly have a

446
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Speaker 3: defense that's going to provide them with some really run

447
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 3: friendly game scripts. Maybe Sean Payton is going to feel

448
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 3: more comfortable running the ball this year with JK. Dobbins

449
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 3: back and Joonah Coleman added to the mix, so Courtland

450
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Speaker 3: Sutton is still around. I just I don't think Jalen

451
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Speaker 3: Wattle is going to be among the NFL's target leaders

452
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Speaker 3: this year. I do like Waddle really good player. I

453
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Speaker 3: probably do need to come up on him in my rankings.

454
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Speaker 3: I just don't know if we're a lot of people

455
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Speaker 3: seem to see top twelve upside for him this year.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I see it.

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Speaker 1: Great start to the Wattle career, no doubt about it,

458
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Speaker 1: last couple of years, less than thrilling Andrew. You're not

459
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Speaker 1: only buying in, it seems like you're buying in with

460
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Speaker 1: a vengeance because you are above the ECR here by

461
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Speaker 1: five spots here ECRI a forty eight year of forty three.

462
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Speaker 1: So I know we kind of chatted about Waddle on

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Speaker 1: a previous show, but give everybody the spiel one more

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Speaker 1: time if they missed that one.

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Speaker 4: I love Jail Waddle this year. I think that him

466
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Speaker 4: landing in Denver is a significant upgrade, even when you're

467
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Speaker 4: considered the supporting cast in Denver between the receivers that

468
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Speaker 4: they have. I just think it's going to be a

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Speaker 4: top two in terms of Crowland Sun and Jayla Wattle

470
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Speaker 4: getting the majority of volume. I think Pat Bryant will

471
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Speaker 4: still be involved, but I think Troy Franklin's gonna be

472
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Speaker 4: a player that kind of fades into the background. I

473
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Speaker 4: think they went out and traded a first round pick

474
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Speaker 4: as a Super Bowl contender for a reason. They have

475
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Speaker 4: a role in mind for Jalen Wattle, who last year

476
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Speaker 4: I think really suffered because of the circumstances because Miami

477
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Speaker 4: turned into check the ball down or run the football,

478
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Speaker 4: hide to at all costs. So Wattle didn't really get

479
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Speaker 4: the chance to explode in an offense minus Tyreek Kill

480
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 4: because traditionally when Tyrerik Kill has missed time or has

481
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: been limited, Jalen Waddell has absolutely smashed topped eighty two

482
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Speaker 4: yards and five of his eleven games in twenty twenty

483
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Speaker 4: five against a lot of those games out Tyreek Hill

484
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Speaker 4: in the lineup. He was thirteenth yards per out run

485
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Speaker 4: last year. So there's nothing about looking under the hood

486
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Speaker 4: with Wattle in some of these advanced metrics that suggests

487
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Speaker 4: to me that, oh, this guy is washed or this

488
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Speaker 4: guy's cooked. No. I think that he's still in his

489
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 4: prime based on his age, and I think that he's

490
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 4: got a quarterback upgrade. I still think never's going to

491
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 4: sling it. They were one of the highest rated teams

492
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Speaker 4: in terms of pass right over expectation last year eighth

493
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Speaker 4: and pass right overall seventh and pass right over expectation.

494
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Speaker 4: Miami was super run heavy last year, and I think

495
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 4: that itself is not being talked about enough, where yes,

496
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: there is more competition in Denver, but when you throw

497
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Speaker 4: the ball one hundred more times than the other offense,

498
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Speaker 4: you were just part of well that balanced itself out.

499
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Speaker 4: And even if he's not seeing you one hundred and

500
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Speaker 4: fifty targets or something along those lines, he's going to

501
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 4: be hyper efficient because he's going to get one on

502
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Speaker 4: one looks because there's a lot of weapons in this

503
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Speaker 4: Denver and traditionally Denver the defense. I think you could

504
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: progress a little bit. You lost John Franklin, Myers, Jonathan

505
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: Cooper has some off field issues going on one of

506
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Speaker 4: their linebackers. They were one of the healthies defenses in

507
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Speaker 4: the NFL last year. What happens year to year usually

508
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 4: you're not that healthy from a season two season. So

509
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 4: if their defense takes a little bit of step back,

510
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 4: really tough schedule to open the year, I think get

511
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Speaker 4: to lean more in the passing game. So Jamalen Wada

512
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Speaker 4: for me going as a wide receiver towo. I think

513
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Speaker 4: he's got wide receiver one upside.

514
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Speaker 1: All right, one more guy in this top fifty range here,

515
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Speaker 1: Actually he's fifty on the button that ECR. It's Jamison Williams,

516
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Speaker 1: wide receiver of the Detroit Lions. And remember you can

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Speaker 1: check out all the ECR over on our Fancy ros

518
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Speaker 1: dot com slash rankings site, So go check it out

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Speaker 1: for yourselves. Ericson, you're way under consensus here at seventy.

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00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: Pat is above at forty one. Now, Jameson Williams certainly

521
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: a big playmaker splashy. You know he's a fun flex

522
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: play You know you're gonna have some big days from

523
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: him and also gonna be some quiet days from him.

524
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Speaker 1: Is that the reason that you've kind of buried him

525
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Speaker 1: in your rankings.

526
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Speaker 4: Yes, he had the highest bus rate of any player

527
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Speaker 4: in the top twenty wide receivers last year thirty eight

528
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 4: percent bus rate, according to the Fantay Sprus Boom or

529
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Speaker 4: Bus report, and it was completely correlated to the games

530
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: which Sam Laporta was active and healthy, and the games

531
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Speaker 4: were when he was not active and healthy, and when

532
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Speaker 4: Dan Campbell was calling the plays. Dan Campbll's not calling

533
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 4: the plays next year, it's gonna be Drew petsiing. So

534
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 4: for those reasons, I just think that he's being over valid.

535
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 4: I understand the allure with the boom performances, but when

536
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Speaker 4: he wasn't booming to start the year weeks one through seven,

537
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Speaker 4: I know that I was pumping Jamison Williams last year.

538
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 4: I drafted him on a lot of teams. He was

539
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Speaker 4: getting cut from a lot of teams. He was on

540
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 4: waiver wires on a lot of leagues because he was

541
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Speaker 4: outside the top fifty and points per came to start

542
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Speaker 4: the year last season, and he was super frustrating to

543
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Speaker 4: own as a fantasy manager. So for those reasons, that's

544
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Speaker 4: why I'm lower than consensus.

545
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Speaker 1: All right, FITZI, you don't seem to have as much

546
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Speaker 1: of a problem with those goose eggs that you get

547
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Speaker 1: from Jamison Williams some weeks where he's just not a

548
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: part of the game plan or he just doesn't really

549
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Speaker 1: show up in the game. I get it, like that's

550
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: a frustrating thing, but also those big days they can

551
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Speaker 1: help carry you. So the fact that you're above consensus,

552
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Speaker 1: let's talk about that here with Williams, because that's something

553
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: that actually did surprise me that they were not closer to

554
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Speaker 1: that fifty.

555
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 3: A lot of those bust weeks were early last season

556
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: when it was just Jamison Williams running a lot of

557
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 3: go routes downfield and not getting targeted that often. And

558
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams seem to be a primary driver of the

559
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Speaker 3: Dan Campbell decision to take over the play calling duties

560
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: from offensive coordinator John Morton midway through last season. With

561
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Speaker 3: Morton calling the plays, Jamo averaged two point six catches

562
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: and forty four point four receiving yards a game. After

563
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: Campbell took over, he averaged four point nine catches and

564
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Speaker 3: eighty four point seven receiving yards a game. There were

565
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Speaker 3: not a lot of bust weeks over the back half

566
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Speaker 3: of the regular season for Jamison Williams, So yeah, Campbell

567
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: started calling the plays in week ten. From week ten on,

568
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams was wide receiver nine in half point PPR,

569
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Speaker 3: scoring right behind teammate Amanros Saint Brown with less than

570
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: a point per game separating them. So yeah, Campbell got

571
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: Jamo running more crossing routes. There were a lot more

572
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: catch and run opportunities for him, and that's where Jamo

573
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: shines because man, that guy can freaking fly when he

574
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: hit the ball in his hands. So yeah, John Morton

575
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: is gone, Drew Petsing is the new OC, but Dan

576
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: Campbell is still the head coach, and you can bet

577
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: that when Campbell was interviewing OC candidates, Jamison Williams came

578
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Speaker 3: up in that conversation and how he was going to

579
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: be used. So I think Petsing's usage is not going

580
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: to be all go routes for Jamison Williams anymore, not

581
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: if he wants to keep the play calling responsibility.

582
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Speaker 2: So I just I don't want to forget.

583
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 3: About the season splits for Jamison Williams last year and

584
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Speaker 3: how much better the second half was than the first half.

585
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some mid late round guys.

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Speaker 1: Bachhell Tuton another polarizing player here, for sure. I'm still

613
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Speaker 1: kind of wrapping my mind around where I'm at with

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Speaker 1: Bachell Tuton. I like his current ADP. I'm concerned it's

615
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Speaker 1: gonna get higher than that fits a year at seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Ericsson's at sixty ECRs in between you guys at sixty five,

617
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Speaker 1: So Pat, you're not quite there on Bachhell Tuton. Why.

618
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued by Tuton's speed and his playmaking potential. And

619
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen has been a rain maker for running backs.

620
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Speaker 2: That's good.

621
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Speaker 3: My concern is that Tuton might not get as many

622
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Speaker 3: touches as we'd like, and not as many high value

623
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Speaker 3: touches as we like. I'm just worried that Chris Rodriguez

624
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: is the goal line guy, and then he also gets

625
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: a good amount of the early down work and that

626
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: la Quin Allen is the main passing down back because

627
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: he's a good pass catcher and a good pass blocker.

628
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm nervous that Tuton winds up being

629
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: more of a flex type guy than a guy you

630
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: feel good about starting every week.

631
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Speaker 1: All right, Andrew Rickson, Bachel Tuton again, you are locked

632
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Speaker 1: and loaded, ready to go with Tuton this year, and

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Speaker 1: you're then a lot of shows with you, So you're

634
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: starting to get me kind of there a little bit.

635
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Speaker 1: Despite the early Chris Rodriguez fear, we seem to be

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Speaker 1: losing that.

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Speaker 4: I just think that this is the exact same scenario

638
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Speaker 4: when we were in with Zach Moss and Chase Brown

639
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, where Zach Moss comes in

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Speaker 4: as the veteran.

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Speaker 1: And Alvin Cook I mean James Coodgrab, not Dlphin Cook. Sorry,

642
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: Like I feel like this happens a lot where Zach

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Speaker 1: Moss goes.

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Speaker 4: I just I just don't think that Chris Rodriguez is

645
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Speaker 4: this player that's going to keep bacheall tooton off the field.

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Speaker 4: I think that everything that Chris Rodriguez can do from

647
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 4: a success rate standpoint, from the yards after contact per attempt.

648
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Speaker 4: He was highly ranked in those metrics last year, but

649
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 4: so was Bachelle Tooton. He was right up there in

650
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: the same type of success rate, the same type of

651
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: yards after contact per attempt. What the difference was is

652
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: we know he offers way more juice as a rusher

653
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 4: to create explosive plays, which he didn't do last year.

654
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Speaker 4: But it's within his skill set, just based on what

655
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 4: you saw him do at the combine, which you saw

656
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: him do at Virginia Tech when he had one of

657
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: the highest breakaway run rates in college foot and last year,

658
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: who were they taking off the field in the red zone,

659
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: Travis etn or Travis a Chan. They were taking him

660
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: off the field to put bay Sheelle Tuton in. So

661
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: I'm also not concerned about Chris Rodriguez being a thorn

662
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: in the side of tut in the red zone because

663
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 4: Bachelle Tuton did it last year against a better running back.

664
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Speaker 4: No one's making the debate that Travis E Chan or

665
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: Chris Ardriguez better than Travis eight Chan. I don't think

666
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: he is. I don't think it's even close. So if

667
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: Touton was able to carve out a role against that

668
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: type of running back, and Chris Rodriguez is why we're concerned.

669
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 4: I'm just not going to buy that. I looked more

670
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: about Rodriguez last year too, because when I was writing

671
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 4: a lot of my weekly articles, I couldn't really remember

672
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: him being super effective. When I looked at some of

673
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 4: his earlier game logs versus later in the year, I

674
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 4: think it's really boosted up. So Week nine against Seattle

675
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: garbage time. Week eleven, he faced the Miami Dolphins, at

676
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: the time historically the worst run defense in the NFL

677
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: before the week twelve. By week Rodriguez was a bottom

678
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: ten great rusher per PFF, and that included the game

679
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 4: against the Miami Dolphins, so he was dead last and

680
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: elusive rating, tied with Aaron Jones, who a lot of

681
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: people are really down on as someone that man is

682
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: this guy totally cooked. Chris Rodriguez was a complete afterthought

683
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 4: until Brian Robinson got cut. Brian Robinson is another one

684
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 4: of these like jag running backs who Okay, we're just

685
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: waiting for the next guy to get replaced. So I

686
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: think tune is so clear the upside play for this

687
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: Jaguars offense, and I'm just not gonna let a player

688
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: like Chris Rodriguez, who apparently the Jaguars didn't even want.

689
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: They wanted JK. Dobbins. That's who they wanted to sign. Me.

690
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: Rodriguez was their consolation prize. So I don't know if

691
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: I'm convincing fits in any way, shape or for him,

692
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: But man, I just get I get feels of Chase

693
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: Brown to base all two in year two, and I

694
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: want you on board.

695
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Speaker 1: Fits fits any movement there for you.

696
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: He is swaying me. This foot injury for Chris Rodriguez

697
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: doesn't help.

698
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: It does scare me though, that Chris Rodriguez had a

699
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: thirteen hundred yard rushing season for Liam Cohen at the

700
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: University of Kentucky. That makes me a little nervous.

701
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on to the next player on

702
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: our here. That's polarizing. RJ. Harvey ECR eighty three. Ericson,

703
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: you're right there at ECR eighty two. Pat, You're way

704
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: further down at one thirty three. So Pat, this is

705
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: not even in the same neighborhood. Look. RJ. Harvey last

706
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: year finished the season very strong, scored a bunch of touchdowns.

707
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: We kind of recapped it on our previous show but

708
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: that was not enough to move Pat fitz Morris. In

709
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: terms of ECR.

710
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe, you'vas stage background. I mean RJ.

711
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: Harvey failed the audition last year after JK. Dobbins got hurt.

712
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: He forgot his lines when he was reading with the

713
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: casting director. Yeah, I mean I can see I'm not

714
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: going to have any RJ. Harvey and redraft this year.

715
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: Denver running game was just stuck in the mud after JK.

716
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: Dobbins got hurt. Three point three yards per carry for

717
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: Harvey after the Dobbins injury running behind a good offensive line.

718
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: So Dobbins is back. The Broncos drafted Jonah Coleman in

719
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: the fourth round. I think Dobbins gets a majority of

720
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: the early down carries and the goal line carries. And

721
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: Coleman is this capable pass catcher and a good pass blocker.

722
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: I just I don't know how Harvey fits in here.

723
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: Sean Payton has always been a running back by committee

724
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: guy anyway, Like ECR and Ericson's ranking put RJ. Harvey

725
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: in the seventh round. No thank you, no thank you

726
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: to that price, Andrew. You had a lot of positivity

727
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: you were spread about R J. Harvey just yesterday. So

728
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: let's talk about r J.

729
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: Harvey in your take, I guess for me it's he

730
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: did the things that were tougher as a rookie in

731
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: terms of catching passes and scoring touchdowns. He got fifty

732
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 4: six passes last year and scored twelve touchdowns. Usually when

733
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Speaker 4: a rookie running back does that, they're drafted in the

734
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: third round the next season when you put up those

735
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: type of stats. But the rushing agreed left a lot

736
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: to be desired. But I'm leaving the door open for

737
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: r J. Harvey to improve in that capacity because I

738
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Speaker 4: think that's like the least challenging thing for him. Right

739
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 4: We're usually hoping that these rooi running backs, Okay, now

740
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: he's going to get more touchdowns or he's going to

741
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 4: be finally unlocked in the passing game.

742
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Speaker 1: R J.

743
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: Harvey's already done that. He's already gotten a lot of

744
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 4: red zone opportunities. And JK. Dobbins is not built a lot.

745
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: We all know that. So I agree with the ultimate

746
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 4: upside case with Harvey isn't probably there because Joonah Coleman

747
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 4: would probably project to take on some of that Dobbin's

748
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 4: workload when he eventually does go down and break down

749
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 4: just because this happens with JK. Dobbins every single season.

750
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 4: But I don't want to disregard what he did as

751
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 4: a receiver, which was really impressive. As a rookie running back,

752
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: now maybe that is just a product of the system,

753
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: like Sean Payton loves to throw a running backs mean

754
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: jillim McLoughlin. De Ro's favorite guy was a guy that

755
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: we were kind of like hyping up because he was

756
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: like popping off with some of these advanced metrics and

757
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 4: obviously just you know, throwing some shade dro just for

758
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: a little bit of fun. But that is always something

759
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: to be kind of like precarious of this Denver Bronco's backfield.

760
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: So I'm in line with ECR. Harvey is not one

761
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: of my players where it's like you must draft this

762
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: particular player, but in a full PPR from light at

763
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 4: running back, like, I don't mind where he ends up going.

764
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: All right, Brian Thomas is going around ECR of eighty five.

765
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: The expert consensus ranking has him there. Pat's right on

766
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: it at ay six, ericson you're nowhere near it at

767
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: one oh six.

768
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: No, I'm not because Trevor Lawrence is still his quarterback,

769
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 4: and I've still yet to see these two guys gel

770
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: in any capacity. It's actually like so surprising to look

771
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 4: at back to how good Brian Thomas Junior was with

772
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: Mac Jones as his quarterback versus when Brian Thomas or

773
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: back when Trevor Lawrence is his quarterback. Average eighty seven

774
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: receiving yards per game with Mac Jones. That's fifty six

775
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 4: with Trevor Lawrence in a twenty five game sample size.

776
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 4: So maybe it was the injuries last year. I just

777
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of mouths to feed in this offense,

778
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: and I think Brian Thomas Junior might just be deployed

779
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: as that downfield threat, which great for spite weeks, awesome,

780
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: but in terms of consistency in terms of leading the

781
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: team in targets on a week the week basis, when

782
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: how many receivers deep are the Jaguars going to go?

783
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: Here?

784
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 4: Is Travis Hunter going to get targets? Is Britain Strange's

785
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: going to get targets? But without the guy they drafted

786
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: in the second round at the tight end. I can't

787
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 4: remember his name, but he's probably gonna play. So those

788
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: are for the reasons why I'm concerned about Brian Thomas Junior.

789
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: I love the talent obviously what we saw from his

790
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: rookie year, but look, it was still small sample size

791
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 4: with Mac Jones. That's when he really flashed the other

792
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 4: sample sid Eyes, which twenty five games of Brian Thomas

793
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: Junior has been more disappointing than good.

794
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Strange just signed an extension. By the way, Brenton's

795
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: strange for a couple of years, three year extension on

796
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: his deal. So he's one of my sleeper tight ends.

797
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: I like him. Fitzy, there was a report Trevor Aren't

798
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: saying that you know that these two are starting to

799
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: grow some chemistry, but you're going from zero to low.

800
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: That doesn't move the fantasy needle necessarily, It's got to

801
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: go from zero to medium to high. I think for

802
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: us to get excited about him. So Ericson's out. Are

803
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: you still hanging on or you're just working census because

804
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: you're unsure?

805
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess Ericson's out on Nate bor Kircher too,

806
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: since he forgot his name.

807
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: Well, who could forget a good boor Kurture?

808
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: I mean, sorry to the bor Kircher family.

809
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: Apologies accepted.

810
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: I am torn here.

811
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: I'm open to the possibility that injuries were largely to

812
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: blame for btj's rough season in twenty twenty five, and

813
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: that we'll see something much closer to the rookieer version

814
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: of BTJ in twenty twenty six. But I do realize

815
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: the Jaguars are loaded at everything Ericson said about BTJ

816
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: not clicking with Trevor Lawrence one hundred percent true, and

817
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: just generally Trevor Lawrence seems to click best with this

818
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: slot guy more than his outside guys. I do have

819
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: that fear that he's just sort of the zombie X

820
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: receiver who runs a lot of routes and doesn't see

821
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: as many targets as we want. So yeah, I'm one

822
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 3: spot behind ECR and that's kind of the hedge I'm

823
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: looking for with my BTJ ranking. Ideally will have him

824
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: in exactly one re draft league, just in case he

825
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: goes back to that rookie year version of BTJ.

826
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 4: Fits is zomb Is he your highest ranked Jaguars wide receiver.

827
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: I've got Parker Washingt Smidge high.

828
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. Zombie X, by the way, one of my

829
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: favorite PlayStation two games that wasn't one. It sounds, doesn't

830
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: it sound like a PlayStation two game? It does? All right,

831
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Kyle Pitts, who, for his credit Fitz,

832
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: he was still in on last year and there was

833
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: some rewards to be had. Pat, you're back in this

834
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: year at six overall ECRs at eighty six. Ericson is

835
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: at eighty four, so you're buying back in fifty. It's

836
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: a great year for tight ends, very top heavy, some

837
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: really exciting guys top six slash seven guys are about there.

838
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: If you missed those guys. It feels like Pitts is

839
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: somebody that you could at least look to as a

840
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: pretty decent consolation prize.

841
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: Yep, you should still be the clear number two target

842
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: in the Atlanta offense behind Drake London. Pitts was tight

843
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: end two and half point PPR scoring last year eighty

844
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: eight catches, nine hundred and twenty eight yards, five touchdowns.

845
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski, the Falcons new head coach, has traditionally been

846
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: a very tight end friendly play caller. Stefan Stefanski's offenses

847
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: the last three years have averaged one hundred and sixty

848
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 3: seven tight end targets plus Pitts, an athletic freak still

849
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: only twenty five years old, and Pat Thorman have established

850
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: the run. Just mentioned on Twitter that the only tight

851
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: ends with more catches than Pits through their age twenty

852
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: five seasons are Rob Gronkowski, Tony Gonzales, and Jason Witten.

853
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good company.

854
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: I know people like hating on Kyle Pitts, but he's

855
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: going to be a value in drafts yet again this year.

856
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: Andrew, it doesn't seem like you're just excited about Pits.

857
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: He feels like you're right where expert consensus is, and

858
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: that's okay by you. But do you see him being

859
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, maybe somebody should reconsider that value.

860
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 4: He's not really part of my tight end strategy this year.

861
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: I think it's I want to get a guy a

862
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: little bit earlier than Kyle Pitts, or I want to

863
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 4: wait on a player and get later in drafts. He's

864
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: going in the middle tier of tight ends, which traditionally,

865
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 4: if you just look at the hit rates of the

866
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: tight ends in the seven to eight, nine, ten to

867
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: eleven range, these guys usually bust at a pretty high rate.

868
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: So I don't like that from an ADP perspective, and

869
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: what concerns me is when Drake London is healthy in

870
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 4: this lineup, it is so clear who the alpha is

871
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: in this passing game, and it's not Kyle Pitts last

872
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: two seasons eight point five PPR points per game outside

873
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 4: the top twenty tight ends. Last year, that's where that

874
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: would rank. So he was better with Kirk Cousins than

875
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: Michael PENNOCKX. What if Michael Penix is the quarterback? Also,

876
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 4: I get stylistically you can make the case or maybe

877
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 4: Tua or Michael Pennix will feature him. I think that

878
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 4: the Stefanski points are really illustrate a good picture for

879
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: Kyle Pitts. So that's something that I'm not necessarily considering

880
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: when it comes to looking at the pass production. If

881
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: the offense changes, so that would probably take a hit

882
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: on Drake London. I just think London is so good

883
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 4: that the offense is still going to funnel through him

884
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: in the passing game. And I'm not excited about the

885
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: ceiling with two or Michael Pennock as the quarterback in

886
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: this offense. Right we're talking about the Falcons as a

887
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 4: potential team that's going to be drafting a quarterback in

888
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven. So if the quarterback play isn't good,

889
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 4: one of these quarterbacks gets banged up behind a backup

890
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: right tackle, That's where I get concerned. So for me,

891
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 4: Kop is just not part of my draft strategy. Again,

892
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 4: if he falls into that late round tight end territory, okay,

893
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: I can sign up for it. But right now he's

894
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: not something that I'm circling on my draft boards.

895
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: All right, two more guys to talk about RASHAWD. White. Ericson,

896
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: you've got it at seventy three, higher than the east

897
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: Yar at one sixteen. Pat you've got him lower at

898
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: one twenty seven. So Erickson, Rashad White again might not

899
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: be special, but he has been a guy that has

900
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: been a lead back in the NFL before with the Buccaneers.

901
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: Kory krossky Merritt had opportunities. To me, he didn't really

902
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: break away. And I even blow my mind at all.

903
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm where you are. I think Rashan White

904
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: is actually a more intriguing late round running back to take.

905
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts? Sell the audience on it?

906
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: He just seems so clear like this year's Devonte Williams. Right,

907
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 4: you get this veteran running back that everybody's sick of,

908
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: and he's not that good when you look at his

909
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 4: body of work, and he's never finished worse than RB

910
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 4: thirty eight and half PPR. He finishes the RB seven overall.

911
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty three. He's the RB twenty four in

912
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 4: points per game, seven games from weeks five through twelve

913
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: when Bucky Irving was injured. His efficiency marks were a

914
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 4: lot better last year, second in rushing success rate EPA

915
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 4: per rush because he was really good at the goal

916
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 4: line and short yards come in short yardage situations. He

917
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: knows Jade Daniels. He's on an offense that's devoid of

918
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: established pass catchers. Outside Terry McLaurin. All he does is

919
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 4: catch passes forty or more catches in four straight seasons.

920
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: How do you score fantasy points? You catch passes and

921
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: you score touchdowns, which is what he did last year.

922
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: So I think Rashadawhite is just such an easy pick.

923
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: I understand the risk is, yeah, he's lost his job

924
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: and touches to Bucky Irving and Sean Tucker, to former

925
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: Day three running backs, but that's baked into his price.

926
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 4: He is basically free. You can get him as your

927
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 4: RB three, RB four, and I think that he has

928
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: RB one upside. He's done it before, So give me

929
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: Rashad White.

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00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: FITZI is your ranking based upon your lack of excitement

931
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: about the whole committee potential potentially with the Washingt commanders

932
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: or is it more Reshad White based specifically capped upside?

933
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: But I just how do you score a needle moving

934
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: amount of Fantasy points for running back? You catch passes

935
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: and do something as a runner. I just don't think

936
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: Rashad White is a good enough runner to really become

937
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: the lead guy, to become the main guy on early downs.

938
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: It seems like this is headed toward a full blown

939
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: committee with White and Jacory Krosky Marrit It was kind

940
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: of sneaky efficient last year. K Tron Allen, who UH

941
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: drafted out of Penn State, who I think is going

942
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: to be in the mix. Maybe some Jerome Ford who

943
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: knows White's receiving ability does give him a floor.

944
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: I just don't see much of a ceiling, all right.

945
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: Fair enough? One more guy to talk about here, Mark Andrews,

946
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: tight end of the Baltimore Ravens pat has n't at

947
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: one oh four, Erics has got him at one fifty

948
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: four ecs in between at one thirty, so ericson we

949
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: know you're out, obviously, Pat, Why should people still be

950
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: theoretically in on Mark Andrews this season?

951
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: We don't know what the Ravens offense is going to

952
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: look like with Declan Doyle as the new OC. But

953
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: in Lamar Jackson's seven full season as a starter, here's

954
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: where Ravens tight ends have ranked in percentage of team

955
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: targets first, fifth, first, first, tenth, fourth, and fourth. So

956
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: it seems like Lamar enjoys throwing the tight ends. Isaiah

957
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: likely's gone, Andrews figures to get a really high percentage

958
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: of the Ravens tight end targets. This season, they signed

959
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: Durham Smyth. He's a blocking tight end. The drafted Matthew

960
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: Hibner in the fourth round. Maybe he's a factor as

961
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 3: a rookie, but his college numbers at SMU were pretty unremarkable.

962
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: The Ravens still look pretty thin at wide receiver beyond

963
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: Ze Flowers.

964
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe Elijah Surat Pops.

965
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: I like him as a prospect, but no proven number

966
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 3: two pass catcher, and I realize Andrews is coming off

967
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: a bad year career lows and receiving yardage, yards per catch,

968
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: yards per target, but it was just generally a down

969
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: season for the Baltimore passing game in general. It should

970
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 3: be better this year with a healthier Lamar and Mark Andrews. Yeah,

971
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: he's older, he's not ancient. Turns thirty one two days

972
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: before the start of the regular season. He's two years

973
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 3: younger than George Kittle. So I think if you punt

974
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: tight end, Andrews is a worthwhile target well Erickson.

975
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: It does also feel like in this new offense, we

976
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: don't know what Andrews role is going to be. We

977
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: can only assume it's that guy round the red zone

978
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson always likes to find, but that is

979
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: an unknown factor. Does that enter into your rank here?

980
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 4: Well, I think that the receivers they drafted profile as

981
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 4: guys that could see opportunities in the red zone. Between

982
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 4: Serat and Jacobi Lane, I think Mark Andrews is just

983
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: cooked at this point, to be honest, like his stuff

984
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 4: has fallen off. Zach Ertz had more yards after the

985
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 4: catch than Mark Andrews did last year. Zach Ertz the

986
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 4: guy who can't force a broken tackle to save his life.

987
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: Out of forty nine qualifying tight ends, Mark Andrews was

988
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 4: dead last and yards after the catch perception. That has

989
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 4: nothing to do with the quarterback play. That is, you

990
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: get him the ball? What was he doing not getting yardage?

991
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: I look for yak with my tight ends. That's how

992
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 4: gravitated me towards Tucker Kraft. That's why I like Chick

993
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: Coonko this year. I think Mark Andrews is out of juice.

994
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: And it's been like this the last couple of seasons. Again,

995
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 4: when I was really high on me, he had that

996
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: one that that game against the Chiefs and Isaiah likely

997
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: outplayed him and he was playing like terrible. I'm just

998
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 4: I'm not there with Mark Andrews. There are other late

999
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 4: round tight ends. I much rather prefer all.

1000
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: Right, guys, before we call it a day here, just

1001
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: out of curiosity, of all the guys we've talked about,

1002
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: give me one player that you think you might be

1003
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: very wrong when all a sudden, because you know, we

1004
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: can't be right about everything. We have different opinions about stuff. FITZI,

1005
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: is there one guy on these lists of all the

1006
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: players we talked about high or low that you might

1007
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I could see me being really

1008
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: wrong about this guy.

1009
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts has made my bullish forecasts for him look

1010
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: stupid in the past, and he could certainly do it again.

1011
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: How about you, Andrew, who's the one guy that you're

1012
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: willing to con see you might be horribly wrong about,

1013
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: especially Saince. Some of these ranks are pretty dramatically off

1014
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: the expert consensus.

1015
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gotta be christ mccafrey, right, like that

1016
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 4: one's pretty easy. Yeah, if he touches, don't end up

1017
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 4: hurting him and he just smashes, then yeah, wearing fat

1018
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: egg on my face.

1019
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,839
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