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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her radio. It is the finale episode of the Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: which means it's the finale episode of like we don't

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Speaker 1: call this a season, but like we're gonna break down

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Speaker 1: the after final rose and the finale here on the

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous Podcast Ashley, this is gonna be a longer

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Speaker 1: podcast than usual. There's a lot of details, uh to discuss.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for it? Like? Are you comfortable? Do

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Speaker 1: you have a good seat? Are you are you ready

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Speaker 1: to make this thing happen? Not only do I have

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Speaker 1: a good comfy seat, I have my warm socks on,

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Speaker 1: I mean my heated my heated socks, my electric socks.

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Speaker 1: That's how settled. Well that is special. Uh, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: in I'm currently in Florida, and so it's eighty degrees

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Speaker 1: And this is why you weren't responding to her text

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Speaker 1: last night, sound because he really worse from there at

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Speaker 1: night I'm sounding yeah, because I went to go watch

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Speaker 1: at my friend's house and then by the time I

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Speaker 1: got home, I was time to text everybody our thoughts

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Speaker 1: and then I guess you just hit the pillow. The

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Speaker 1: second after after the final rows wrapped yeah, yes I did. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't last very late into the evening. In fact,

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Speaker 1: that was too late for me. I woke up this

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Speaker 1: morning a little tired. Um, I didn't get my eight

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Speaker 1: hours of sleep, which really is frustrating. But Ashley, Uh,

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Speaker 1: we have some really special guests today. Uh. One guest

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Speaker 1: who's going to start out here is bree You might

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Speaker 1: know her from this season of The Bachelor. Uh, somebody

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Speaker 1: that we're both very excited to talk to. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorites, and I think your favorites throughout the whole season,

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Speaker 1: Like she was your top three pretty much like from

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Speaker 1: week one on. From week one I called her being

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Speaker 1: top three. Yeah, uh some Really I want to ask

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Speaker 1: her why she's not being considered for the Bachelor atte

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Speaker 1: Like why her name was never tossed into the ring.

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Speaker 1: That's something I'm interested in because I thought like she

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Speaker 1: would be a great bachelor. Why was she never even

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Speaker 1: talked about like we talked about so many other people,

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Speaker 1: so many other rumors were swirling, Breez's name really was

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Speaker 1: never brought up. And also it's interesting but then also

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Speaker 1: later on the podcast, uh, we have just a good

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Speaker 1: friend now it's the almost famous podcast a terrific, a

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Speaker 1: terrific human. Sam Acho, who is the brother of Emmanuel Acho.

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Speaker 1: But sam Acho, they're both doing great things in the world.

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Speaker 1: But Sam is an author. You gotta check out his book. Um,

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Speaker 1: I will talk more about his book and how I

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Speaker 1: know him through our book processes here and just a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But uh, Sam's gonna come on and break

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Speaker 1: down after the final rose with us, because you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously Emmanuel is busy right now, We're gonna have him

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Speaker 1: on at some point. But what better person than his brother. Probably, um,

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Speaker 1: just the second best person, right, That's right, That's right.

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Speaker 1: So hey Ashley, to get started. Let's bring Brie into

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Speaker 1: the podcast. We're gonna talk about this episode and then

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Speaker 1: again we have some really important questions for her. Um. So, Brie,

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Speaker 1: come on in, Brie Springs, Welcome to the podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: great to see you not reading erotica. To me, that

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Speaker 1: was wait wait wait wait, please elaborate. So I met

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Speaker 1: Brie on the Erotica writing dates that I hosted, and Brie,

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Speaker 1: there's only if there's like really like it's a whole

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Speaker 1: blur to me. I'm sure it's a blur to you.

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Speaker 1: But the moment that sticks out in my mind really

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Speaker 1: wasn't even aired. And that is our now bachelorette Katie

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Speaker 1: humping and that little sete. I forgot about that. I

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Speaker 1: forgot that we were all shocked because she ended up

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Speaker 1: for us, like this happened on the date like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Katie did that? Yeah, you know, it's a good transition

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Speaker 1: point here, brit because there's just something I'm super confused

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Speaker 1: about out. You have to explain it to me. I'm

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Speaker 1: out of touch these days. You You've been in our

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Speaker 1: top three since the moment you stepped onto our television screens,

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Speaker 1: like actually and I every week we're like, Breeze gonna

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Speaker 1: don't know. That's a great question. It's a it's a

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Speaker 1: really great question. Um. You know, I'm not gonna lie

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Speaker 1: And I would have to agree. It's it's hard to

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think personally that Katie and

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Speaker 1: Michelle are going to be great at it. Yeah, but okay,

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Speaker 1: because as the bachelorette, you your job is to know

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Speaker 1: what do you mean you're not made for this world?

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Speaker 1: I think you're perfect for you were great onto, you

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Speaker 1: So I would imagine that the Bachelor at process would

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Speaker 1: about what specifically has just really brought brought to stress? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean I look at. What I meant by that

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Speaker 1: I look at it and see how far we've come

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Speaker 1: in progress. But then it's just it feels defeating because

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of people could agree

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Speaker 1: that there was a missed opportunity for the show to

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Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment while you're in the show

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, maybe you guys might

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Speaker 1: have a lot of friends involved. It's it's it is weird,

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Speaker 1: that's a good lesson learned. Something that probably should be

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Speaker 1: brought up now is where was the support post show

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Speaker 1: or how can the show best support contestants and leads

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Speaker 1: post show? Maybe that comes from this, Maybe that's one

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Speaker 1: of the lessons learned that it would be if it was,

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Speaker 1: that's a great point then. I mean that's something that

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Speaker 1: more accountability from the show in how we can move

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Speaker 1: forward and support you know, cast and leads moving forward,

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Speaker 1: because in my mind, it was a lot of pain

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Speaker 1: of mistakes that could have been avoided. Um, but here

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Speaker 1: next seasons. I'm hopeful. Three. I always like to ask,

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Speaker 1: you know, the contestnce that got really far, how they

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Speaker 1: felt watching the show back? Did they get closure? Did

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Speaker 1: they realize why you were the girls standing there in

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Speaker 1: the end? How did you digest watching the season back? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as odd as it sounds, watching my breakup back gave

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Speaker 1: little bit differently, I think I would want to clarify,

428
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 1: like what does this engagement mean to you? Because as

429
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: crazy as it sounds, like, I actually didn't know that

430
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: had never been in love before. Um, so maybe if

431
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: that was a conversation that we had, you know, like,

432
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: is this something that you know, this is the one

433
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: one time you're going to get down on your knee

434
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: in your life? Like is that what's all writing on

435
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: this engagement? And I think that that's a really important

436
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: question to ask yourself if you're going to go back

437
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 1: into the situation. Is what does this engagement at the

438
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: end of this mean to you? Is it like I'm

439
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: putting a ring on your finger and making a promise

440
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: to you and we're going to figure out what comes afterwards,

441
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: or is it like, this is the last time I

442
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: want to do this, So I have to know that

443
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: you are my person and here's what we're going to

444
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 1: lay out on the table before. Okay, so you got

445
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: you have to wrap with us in a little bit

446
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: like we don't have you forever because it's a busy

447
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: post post finale. Uh, you know, press say for you. Um. However,

448
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: I want to get an important question in tell us

449
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: about Rachel in real life and how you feel like

450
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: she's handled this throughout the past couple of months. Yeah,

451
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: So Rachel and I Rachel kay, Yeah, Yes, Rachel and

452
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: I were We're friends. We're friends. We were friends on

453
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: the show. And as soon as all of the photos

454
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: and videos started coming to light, you know, I reached

455
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: out to um check in on her and extend my support,

456
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 1: and I didn't hear from her until after, you know,

457
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: the filming of after the final rows and UM. I

458
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: think her apology was a step in the right direction,

459
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: and the most important thing that she can do is

460
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: turn her words into actions, and I think she's starting

461
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: to do so by sitting down having that conversation that

462
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: she did with a manual and and seeing how she

463
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: responded and how she was just honest and she was

464
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: extremely apologetic. I think she's taking the right steps, and

465
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: it's just we all want to see action being done.

466
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: And I know she's a good person. Um. I know

467
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: she has a good heart, and I'm proud of her

468
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: for being able to handle this and like with stride

469
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: as she has. UM, I just think there are obviously

470
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: a lot of learning lessons that she and a lot

471
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: of other of us can can take away from it.

472
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's nice for you to reach out to

473
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: her though. That's a big deal. Thinks. Uh, yeah, it's awesome.

474
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: It's tough. I mean, we and one well, one of

475
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: the things that I wish people could have seen was

476
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: the bond that we all had for each other, I

477
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: mean the women, we all really leaned on each other

478
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: as a source of strength and support during the season,

479
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 1: And I wish people could have seen more than that

480
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: because behind the scenes, like we all are friends and

481
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: we're supportive and we're there for one another. That was

482
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: a massive, massive air like huge, like we want I

483
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: we should have seen how supportive you all were to

484
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: each other, Like we didn't see that, right. The takeaway

485
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: from the season was this is the one group of

486
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: cast members that never got along, and it's like that

487
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: you're saying that that was so far from the truth.

488
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: I would I wish it was more balanced, because while

489
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: there was I'm not going to deny, you know, negative

490
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: things that I think people saw from audience perspective, my

491
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: personal reflection was positive with everyone, and I wish people

492
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: could have seen more. I mean, you saw the dates,

493
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: for example, the dates that got cut out, like those

494
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: were so fun and we all had an amazing time.

495
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: Actually my group date that was my favorite group date ever.

496
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think he told a lot about

497
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: somebody ridiculous. My day got cut down to like two minutes.

498
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: I was there for five freaking days and then all

499
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I wasn't wait. I was on the

500
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: on the days of both of you. Yes you were

501
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Humkin Patch, the Pumpkin Dames. When I was just yelling

502
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: at these poor girls that eat more pancakes? How how

503
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: just absolutely brutal? Is that like awful pancakes? Oh? There

504
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: were three actually there were three pancakes dry with like

505
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: nothing to get them down with, like, and these poor

506
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: girls were like I walked out to see, like, yeah,

507
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: it was it was brutal. Okay, Hey, anyways, you're the best,

508
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: big fancy you here, um, and thanks for joining us.

509
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll be talking to you and seeing you

510
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: around for years to come. Um. But yeah, thanks for

511
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: coming to the podcast. And uh, I really appreciate you.

512
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, I really really appreciate it. Really nice

513
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: to see you guys with both again. Ivory, thanks for

514
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: one last question. Who do you want to be in Paradise?

515
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: Come on, we need that headline. And I don't know

516
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: if I'm going to paradise someone that I don't. I

517
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm going to do Paradise, but I

518
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: mean I would. I'm just gonna ship this couple because

519
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: I've been a fan. But Piper and Mike. Oh, that's

520
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: that's new. That's good. That's good, that's good. It's always good.

521
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: But you put something out there. It's nice to talk

522
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: about somebody else before you talk about yourself. Because now

523
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: the headline reads Piper and Mike. I like your style, Bree,

524
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: you get it. Hey, have a good one, Have a

525
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: drink of water. You've got a wrong day of talking. Alright, Ben, Well,

526
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: let's continue our part one recap together. The first two

527
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: hours after the mom and his brother meet with him.

528
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: We go into the dates, but turned into one day

529
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: because he only went on a date with Michelle. They

530
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: did the propelling, which didn't seem that scary off of

531
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: the side of the show. So I was there, it's

532
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: like five stories tall. Yeah, I was like this I

533
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: could do. They're really stretching. At this point, my mom

534
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: was watching it with me and she's sitting there's like, wait,

535
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: this is scary. She's like, I would do that, Like

536
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: people do that every day there to like do maintenance

537
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: on the building. Like that's not scary, Like that was.

538
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: I was like, that wasn't a big deal for me. Okay.

539
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: So then we go to the night time portion, which

540
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: was just like you knew he was walking into that

541
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: room to break up with her. And then and then

542
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: right as he was almost about to get the guts

543
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: and the words to do so, she goes, wait, I

544
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: want to show you this gift I got you about

545
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: taking out the world together. No. Oh, did you see

546
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: his actual reaction, Like he put his head, he put

547
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: his hand to his forehead and looked over. It's just

548
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: one of those moments that you're like, I don't want

549
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: to be here. I don't know how I signed up

550
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: for this. I care about this girl. H It's brutal, Like,

551
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing was about being teammates, and

552
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: then he has to like I mean, it's like Lebron

553
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: leaving Cleveland, Like he has to break up with his teammate. Brutal,

554
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: absolutely awful. It was so bad, uh, And the missus

555
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: I was like, she pulled out the MR. And I

556
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh God, the mrs Is coming, The Mrs

557
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: Is coming, and this is gonna be so bad. And

558
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: there it was anyway, and then we learned that that

559
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: he you know, walks her out of that room and

560
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: then she goes back and she's like crying and crying

561
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: and being being consoled by the producers and they're trying

562
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: to set up her to have like two minutes of

563
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: extra time to talk to Matt and he denies it.

564
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: It's weird. Yeah, I don't get it. I still I

565
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: don't understand that. I'm telling you, I feel like he

566
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: lost his soul throughout this process. A little bit like

567
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: so drained happens. I mean, he might have, and he

568
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: was tired and he was confused, and at this point

569
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: he's probably tired of talking about it. He might not

570
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: have been seeing things clear, like he might not have

571
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: been seeing like, hey, she actually just really wants to

572
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: talk to you, And it could have just been like

573
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: what's going to be the benefit? Like I'm not changing

574
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: my mind and never really know the whole like reason

575
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: for it. Um, it's interesting too. Actually, as we see

576
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: here talking about Michelle, how many how many weeks have

577
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: we had Michelle like on the show? Now? I mean

578
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: we know her better than like any other contestant, yet

579
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: she was here like half the time. Yes, she we

580
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: missed out four weeks on her, but yeah, we definitely

581
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: feel like I think that I feel like I know

582
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: her just as much as I feel like Rachel. Right, yeah,

583
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: I think so. But yeah, I mean, Matt you said

584
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: it best, like it feels like he lost his soul,

585
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: And I would say, like, it's not just Matt, that's

586
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: not like a Matt thing, that's like all of us.

587
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: Like at this point in time, you're so tired that

588
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: you see the like lighted into the tunnel and you're

589
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: running for it and anything that's going to distract you

590
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: from that. I see how you don't want to get

591
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: involved in it. But I mean, not a good decision,

592
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: still a bad decision for him, but I can see

593
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: how it happened. I understand exactly well put Ben well

594
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: put So, then after Michelle's dumping, Rachel gets a date

595
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: card to her room that says like, I need a minute,

596
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: can't see you today basically, And at first I really

597
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: thought Rachel was like, secretly a little excited because I

598
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: think she knew that meant that he was emotional over

599
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: dumping Michelle the next day. But then I think she

600
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: had a bigger realization that like, oh crap, he doesn't

601
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: want to see me though, so what's he thinking about? Ah? Yeah,

602
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: it would have been really like I don't know how

603
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: she would have gotten to the place of being excited

604
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: about this, Like I would have been in my own

605
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: head thinking about every worst scenario. You weren't no, like

606
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you're you are, but like I know

607
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: myself and I was like, oh am I be in

608
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: my own head saying the worst possible scenarios would be

609
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: going on. So if if she did say think of

610
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: to herself like, oh, this is a good thing, he

611
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: like is sad because he let Michelle go And I'm

612
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: just gonna hang out here and have my coffee and

613
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: ticket for a few days until he's ready to see me. Great,

614
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: but like I would have been in my own head

615
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: for three days. Well, my initial interpretation of this, and

616
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: it may have been hers too, was like, Hey, I'm

617
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna take today off, but I'll see you tomorrow. I

618
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: didn't think we were going to just totally skip Rachel

619
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: date and go to the big Rose ceremony. Yeah. Do

620
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: you think that they were going to go immediately to

621
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony? I was. I watched this whole episode confused,

622
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think he was even going to go

623
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: to the Rose ceremony. Like I thought that I had

624
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: pretty much thought like he at this point was just

625
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: gonna like say, let's go date. Let's like skip all this,

626
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: let's get out of here, and that's how the show

627
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: was going to end. So I didn't know what was

628
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: coming up next. I just thought, uh, And I honestly didn't. Maybe,

629
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: and this is maybe how bad I am as a

630
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: fan of the show and I've been on this show.

631
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: Like when when he when she got the letter that

632
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: said meet me at the lake, like that gave me anxiety.

633
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: I was like, if somebody wrote me a letter and it

634
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: it was like see me at the lake. I'll be like,

635
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: oh crap, this is it, this is over, not even

636
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: thinking I would have never even thought that that was

637
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: the final. Like Rose, I would have been just like,

638
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: he just wants to see me the lake to send

639
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: me home. That's what I was thinking. I was like,

640
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: are they going to tell her to wear the big

641
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: fancy dress here or is this just a date? That's

642
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: what I was confused by. Mimi at the lake sounds

643
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: like let's go have a pick nick at the lake

644
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: and talk things over, especially since he said I need

645
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: let's talk right something like along those lines. So I

646
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: definitely thought this is gonna be more of a conversation

647
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: unless of they I'm pulling up to the final Rows

648
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: ceremony because guess what, didn't even meet her at the lake.

649
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: He met Harrison at the lake and then she pulled

650
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: up to like that big to do. Yes, very complaining.

651
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining here, but like I feel like she

652
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: just had no idea what direction this is going in,

653
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: and I feel confused for her well, And I think

654
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: I think that's fair because I mean I had no

655
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: clue either as a fan and like Bree was just

656
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: kind of saying, there's a lot of things as fans

657
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: that we have the privilege of seeing that the contestants

658
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: don't even see, Like we see the whole story play

659
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: out in front of us. So as the whole story

660
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: is playing out in front of us, you and I,

661
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: both who have been on the show and fans the show,

662
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: were confused at what in the world was happening and

663
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: even how it ended. Um, it was like a tad

664
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: weird to me too, because it felt like a really

665
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: beautiful moment, but yet there was no like follow up

666
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: conversation for Rachel to ask like why like why do

667
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: you feel like this now? Like why are you just

668
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: asking to date me? Like what's happened? Like there was

669
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: none of that, And then that's weird. It was weird

670
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: that it was done at the podium or whatever you

671
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: want to call that. Um what is it called? What

672
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: call like at a wedding? Okay, the archway? Um? Alright? So,

673
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: but like also and we'll call it a gazie bow.

674
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: How funny were the teases of Neil Lane and trying

675
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: to get the ring in there, and like is he

676
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: going to propose? Is he's not going to propose. Basically,

677
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: he's like telling Harrison I don't think I can propose,

678
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: and then they're like, yeah, but we quarantine nil Lane

679
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: for a week, so we're going to get him in here.

680
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: And then he like looks at the rings and he's like,

681
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: can I hold it? And then like he's thinking, oh,

682
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: maybe if I feel in the moment, I'll do it.

683
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: And then just moments before so he picked sadder ring,

684
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: puts it in his pocket. He says, can I hold

685
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: onto this? Then he meets Harrison at the lake and

686
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: then he tells him I'm still going to like play

687
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: this by ear if I feel like proposing or not.

688
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: There's no way he was playing it by ear. No way.

689
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Can we also give neil In a little credit. He's

690
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: just spent fifteen days in the last four months, so

691
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: a half of a month in the last no, six

692
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: months quarantined for the Bachelor franchise because he did it

693
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: twice with Claren Tasia and then he did it with

694
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: Matt James. That poor guy fifteen days in a hotel

695
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: room for his Yeah, the guy. The guy is he

696
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: must love room service, Like he must just absolutely love

697
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: the idea of watching Netflix chilling and eating chicken fingers.

698
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so. If you know Neil as much

699
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: as I do, and that's not that much, but enough

700
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: to know that that man is very eccentric. He needs

701
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: to be buzzing around doing art creating. I don't know

702
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: how he handles being in a room. Yeah. Maybe one

703
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: of the best jobs he's ever done. Though. From Matt

704
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: James this season was he sat in it. He talked

705
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: Madd into taking a ring. He responded to questions, I mean,

706
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the guy, the guy's is just a fixture on this

707
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: on this show. Um, and yeah, he we found they

708
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: found a way to get Matt to take a ring,

709
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: and there was nobody. Okay, So here's the other thing.

710
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: And and and I don't want to be critical of Matt,

711
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: because I've made it clear that I like Matt and

712
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: I know how hard this is, Like there's no perfect

713
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: way to do this, but here's my thought. And maybe

714
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: Matt was just so confused, but it was like, and

715
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: I would I want to ask him this on the

716
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: podcast at some point, but like, I'm gonna play it

717
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: by ear or however, he said that in the moment

718
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: when he had the ring in his pocket. You don't

719
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: propose to somebody playing it by ear like that is

720
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: not a thing that happens. I'm just saying for anybody

721
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: out there listening, if you're like, I have got a

722
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: ring in my pocket, I don't know she's the one

723
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: or not or he's the one, um, but like, if

724
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: I have in my pocket, I'm just gonna play by

725
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: ear and see if it feels right and see if

726
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not how you do this thing. So

727
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: at that point in time, we should have all known

728
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: that he's not going to propose, and I'm glad he

729
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: did it because he wasn't ready for it, Like it

730
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: wasn't the thing for sure, but that was the way.

731
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: That's a weird thing to say, like I'm gonna play

732
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: it by ear. I know that Rachel and Matt have

733
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: been through a lot since that scene was filmed, but

734
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: let's pretend that nothing has happened, and it's just the

735
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: day after. Imagine her finding out that he had a

736
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: ring in his pocket and he just decided by ear

737
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: not going to get on one. Nay, yeah, just like okay,

738
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: that's fine, We'll just we'll try to feeling it that

739
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: intensely in the moment it's not quite there. Well, Ashley, Um,

740
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: I would say most people I was watching Twitter last night,

741
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: I'd say most people I thought the final episode was

742
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: not after the fund of rose piece, just like the

743
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: airing of the episode was like a little bit odd

744
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and off, like there was a lot of emotional like

745
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: stuff going on. We did get to see the scene

746
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: that you've been waiting for all season with Matt on

747
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: the herb and and now it makes sense to why

748
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: he was so upset and why it was so hard

749
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: for him. Um, let's take a break here. You know,

750
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: we have Sam Acho coming on to talk about after

751
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: the Final Rose. Uh. Emmanuel Acho's brother, Sam again is

752
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: an author, a tremendous dude. He's gonna talk through us.

753
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: He watched the episode, he watched The Bachelor for the

754
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: first time. I believe um this week not only watch

755
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: his brother, but to kind of break down after the

756
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: final Rose with us. So let's just take a break here.

757
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll have Sam Acho on the

758
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: podcast and we're gonna talk about after the Final Rose. Hey,

759
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: this is Becky Tilly and Tanya rad Rad. That's me. Yeah,

760
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: and we have a podcast called Scrubbing In Yeah, we do.

761
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: We are two best friends and we love Grey's Anatomy,

762
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: hence the name scrubbing In exactly. And this week we

763
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: have one of Grey's Anatomy's very own, Anthony Hill, who

764
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: plays Winston in the podcast, to chat about what's been

765
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: going on. If you follow Gray's Antomy, you know that.

766
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just a lot to talk about. There

767
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: are sudden deaths, people are coming back this season. There's

768
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: a whole lot going on. It is a huge season

769
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: for Gray's Anatomy. So I highly suggest you tune in.

770
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: And you're not just gonna get Gray's Anatomy. I mean

771
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: we have girl talk. It's just girl talk. It's like

772
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: you're talking with your best friends on the couch. Yeah,

773
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: except not with your best friends. You're talking with us,

774
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: your virtual best friends, virtual bfs. That's right. So listen

775
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: to scrubbing In on the I Heart Radio app, on

776
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm super

777
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: pumped today. A little backstory here, as all of you know, um,

778
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: because you've been listening to this podcast and I talk

779
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: about it endlessly. I came out with a book uh

780
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: in early February called Alone in Plain Site Go to

781
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins book dot com to purchase right now. But

782
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: a part of that journey, uh was with my my publisher,

783
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: Thomas Nelson, and they said early on in my experience

784
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: of kind of promoting to say, Hey, there's this guy

785
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: that I think you're really going to get along with.

786
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: I think you're really gonna like He's a great dude,

787
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: an incredible story. Uh, he has a book with us

788
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: as well. You should talk to him. And I was like,

789
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: all right, what's his name is? Said Sam Acho, And

790
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: I said perfect, and so Uh, Sam and I were

791
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: able to connect. Uh, they're right. Uh, this dude has

792
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: been a massive we'll talk about it with him in

793
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: just a second. He's been a massive part of my

794
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: life in the last time, I would say five months.

795
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how long it's been, as if time

796
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: flies and you're having fun, um, but it's been an

797
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: incredible experience. Where his brother is Emmanuel Acho, who you

798
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: might to watch last night on After the Final Rows.

799
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: Sam is with us right now to discuss so many things. Sam,

800
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: thank you for joining the Almost Famous podcast. I'm glad

801
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: to be here. Van and Ashley, good to meet you.

802
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: We were talking a little bit offline here and y'all stories.

803
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: So I'm super excited that I'm almost famous. I am

804
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: almost famous, right. My brother hosted hosted after, so like

805
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: he's the favorite. I'm almost famous. So I think this

806
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: is a very fitting fitting episode. But Samy, you're also

807
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: like kind of famous because football plat you are? You know,

808
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: you're an NFL player, you do commentary? What else do

809
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: you do? Like what are your jobs? Because I know

810
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: you have multiples? Yeah, definitely. So I played the last

811
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: nine years in the NFL for the Arizona car Nos,

812
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I just wrote a

813
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: book called Let the World See You that dropped prep

814
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: before Christmas. I saw him an author working on some

815
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: other books as well. I do some TV stuff for

816
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: uh locally in Chicago because I live out here in Chicago.

817
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: But also I've got some stuff and do some stuff

818
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: in Canada, like for This Canada Show and and also

819
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: some like other new stuff like on ESPN, et cetera.

820
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of what I've been doing. And

821
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: then last piece of nonprofit stuff as well, right, so

822
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: nonprofit called Athletes for Justice and also have a new

823
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: podcast called the Athletes for Justice podcast, which I was

824
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: just on with the any f downs. It was a blast.

825
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: It was it was good, like we could have gone

826
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: for hours, right like, it was a good podcast. Um,

827
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: it's fun to talk to you. You know. Also, you

828
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: didn't mention he is the better looking brother of the

829
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: Acho brothers. I would say that mostly because I know

830
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: him better at this point. Uman, he's a smile that smile.

831
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: I wish everybody could see that through their audio. Hey,

832
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: I love that you can hear the smile through that

833
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: people actually saying like I could, I could hear you.

834
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I love that though, because my brother Emmanuel, he's the

835
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: most like pretty boy is a strong is strong right,

836
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: but he literally like everything is like to the t

837
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: and always feels like he's got to be. And I

838
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: was out we were doing ESPN together, and uh he

839
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: said something like, well, he's the better looking Acho and

840
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, I'm good. I gotta wife, the

841
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: three kids and so and it actually was this our

842
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: seven year anniversary yesterday. Yeah, thank you so much. I

843
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: like I'm doing I'm doing more than just something right.

844
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: So you're the single one. I'm the guy with the

845
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: wife and kids, so my looks are a okay, I'm

846
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: doing just fine. Well. In fact, when a man when

847
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: I was connected with Emmanuel through Sam, I think my

848
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: text him was, hey, uh, you know, it's nice to

849
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: meet you through your better looking brother or something. But

850
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Acho brothers are are everywhere right now,

851
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: and we're here to talk about you a lot on

852
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: this podcast, but also talk about kind of last night.

853
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: I know last night was the first time you've ever

854
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: watched The Bachelor or the Bachelor app and so we

855
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: do want to discuss kind of that whole thing in

856
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: your opinion on it all. But again I want to reiterate, like,

857
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: you're up to a lot in this life. Uh, let

858
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: the world see you. It's a tremendous book that I've read,

859
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: that I've dug into with you a couple of times

860
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: on different podcasts that we've been able to connect on

861
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: and and even on the phone. What was the process

862
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: like of writing this book? Why did you write it?

863
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: And for anybody out there listening that's like, hey, I'm

864
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: thinking about checking it out, why would they want to

865
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: check it out? Yeah, Well, if if anybody put it

866
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: this way, like I think a lot of people go

867
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: through like issues of insecurity and nobody wants to talk

868
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: about it. Nobody wants to talk about some of the

869
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: fear and the shame and the guilt that we've experienced,

870
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: and so we try to suppress those things. And so

871
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: this book is really about bringing our full selves to

872
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: the table, because what happens is when you suppress your fear,

873
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 1: your shame, your guilt, your insecurity. You suppress those things

874
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: thinking that I can just cut those out and I'll

875
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: be able to just live life fully. But like when

876
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: you cut off one emotions, you you cut off all

877
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: of them, and so like you can't pick which emotions

878
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: you cut off. So if you're trying to cut off

879
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: that fear and say I'm just not gonna get angry,

880
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: we're probably not gonna be so happy either. Right if

881
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: you cut off the shame, I'm just gonna feel that, well,

882
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to experience those true moments

883
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: of life and of love. And so this book is

884
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: for anyone who wants to understand what it's like to

885
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: be seen, to be known, to be loved. And so

886
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: if you pick up the book, that's what you'll get

887
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: from it. Right, if you go to it's on Amazon

888
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: and sam Acho book Dot com wherever you if you

889
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: go get the book, that's what you're gonna learn. And

890
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: even for me, like I'm learning how to name my emotions,

891
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: because that's one thing that I think people don't do

892
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: a great job of, whether it's like, man, I'm angry,

893
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: like I'm that made me really upset or that hurt

894
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: me right, I'm learning to do that because I've noticed

895
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: that when I don't, I usually just kind of crumble

896
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: on the inside. And so like for me, like last night,

897
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: I was doing something and I literally just picked up

898
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: the book and started reading it out loud, and it

899
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: was almost like this reminder of the love that was

900
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: washing over me. And so I think that's what you'll

901
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: get when you when you read the book or listen

902
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: to the audio book, you remember that you're that you're loved,

903
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: that you're known, and that you're seeing the best parts

904
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: of you. Well, you sound like a fantastic guest today

905
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: if you're able to name your emotions, because we need

906
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: to name some emotions that went down during after the

907
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: Final Rose yesterday. But before we get into Matt and

908
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: Rachel Michelle's emotions, let's talk about your brother for a minute.

909
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: How did he prepare for this role. Oh that's a

910
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 1: great question. So my brother Emmanuel hosted the show. And

911
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: it's funny because he's been preparing his whole life for this.

912
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: We were talking the other day and he has a

913
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 1: daily show on TV on on Fox Sports called Speak

914
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: for Yourself. It's literally every single day for about two

915
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: hours a day. He's been doing that for about a

916
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: year or so. Before that, he was on ESPN for

917
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: about two or three years. Before that, he was on

918
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: long Horn Networks, like doing TV stuff year after year

919
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: after you're even making videos by himself for social media

920
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: to digest during COVID. So he's been doing it and

921
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: preparing for years. And he said something to me the

922
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: other day. He said, if, like if this was a ten,

923
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: like like hosting that show was a ten as far

924
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: as difficulty and like the skill and like everything that

925
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: went into it. He said, everything else I've been doing

926
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: was like a four. And so we and so we

927
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: talked about the idea of like peak performance is when

928
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: you have to bring your best to the table. It's

929
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: when like all your gifts and skills and abilities meet

930
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: the challenge. And he said hosting that show for him

931
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: was experiencing peak performance. Right, The sports stuff he does

932
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: and he's been doing it at a high, high level, phenomenal.

933
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: The other stuff he does on on social media Twitter, Instagram,

934
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: makes videos phenomenal. Even his uncome terrible conversations that he's

935
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: had with with tons of people phenomenal. But he said

936
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: this was different. He's like The Bachelors the most most

937
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: watch uh, non scripted show on TV. So I'm over

938
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: here like having to make not necessarily made people cry,

939
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: but like listen to them as they cry, change the subject.

940
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Even that moment where he said two to Rachel, hey

941
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: are you ready to see Matt? And she was like no,

942
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: and he was like, well he's coming out anyway, you

943
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you don't have you know, and

944
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: like and even and even like the production piece to

945
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: like he actually was like in a lot of those

946
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: production meetings, like saying, hey, this is what we need

947
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: to say, how it needs to go, even to that

948
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: specific point. Right, Initially they had it edited to where like, hey,

949
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: are you ready to go see Matt? She said no,

950
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden Matt was just coming out.

951
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: They cut out his line about that and he's like

952
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I can't just like, come on, dude,

953
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: Like I can't just make her do what you don't like,

954
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: you have to say, you have to put my part

955
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: in there. So, like even the production piece, he's been

956
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: ready for this for a really really long time, and

957
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like he was like chasing after it.

958
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: He actually has been trying to produce his own show

959
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: that's like I think similar to The Bachelor, I forget

960
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: what it's called. He's been pitching that to different people

961
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: in l A. And so the fact that this came

962
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: about was perfect. I heard that it was a seven

963
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: hour long recording. Did he say that he was concerned

964
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: that it was going to be chopped down too much?

965
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: Because normally after the final rows is like forty minutes

966
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: live and this was a lot longer than that and

967
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: not live. Was he worried about certain things being cut

968
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: out that are important to him? Yeah, I don't think

969
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: he was worried because he was involved in that decision making. So,

970
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: like even with the with the video series he's been

971
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: doing with the Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, like

972
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: those will be three or four hour conversations and will

973
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: cut it down to twenty minutes. Some of them might

974
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: be two hours and we'll cut it down like twelve minutes.

975
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: And he's the one actually cutting down and and figuring

976
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: out what needs to be in there. And so I

977
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: don't think he was concerned, but he wanted a little

978
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: bit of that creative opportunity to make sure that the

979
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: story was told the way that it needed to be told.

980
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: It's interesting because one of the back stories here and

981
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: I have a lot of of love for Sam, and

982
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 1: I think he knows that. At this point. Um, when

983
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: when everything went down with Chris and that interview with

984
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay happened, I was on a car ride and

985
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: I was like kind of like freaking out for a

986
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. Right, Chris is a friend, Uh, and

987
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: this is blowing up on my phone. Everybody's asking me,

988
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And and then also like the the

989
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: weight of everything that was going to be kind of

990
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: happening afterwards that we all kind of knew was gonna

991
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: be coming. And and I was like sitting there and

992
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: I was just kind of praying through a car ride,

993
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: and I called Sam. I had like an hour to

994
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: talk and uh, and Sam and I were able just

995
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: to kind of like, I mean, he was just incredible

996
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: to me in the way that like I was able

997
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: to just like kind of share my heart and him

998
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: to you know, correct and to speak truth into me

999
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: and to give me encouragement. It's weird for me same

1000
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we haven't been able to

1001
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: really dive into it. It's weird for me now to see,

1002
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: like from that conversation that happened, I don't know, twenty

1003
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: four hours after that interview, to not knowing what the

1004
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: future was gonna look like with Emmanuel being the host

1005
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: of the show just a few months later. Like how

1006
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: this whole thing has gone full circle in your in

1007
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: your life and mine. Right, you don't even know about it.

1008
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: When I called you, You're like what happened? And I

1009
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: had to explain it to you, and then somehow someway

1010
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: your brother becomes the host. Yeah. No, it's it's funny

1011
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: because like you texted me and you're like, hey, this thing,

1012
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know what. I haven't

1013
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: watched the show, um and that. And then when we

1014
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: talked and I went back and watched it, and I

1015
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's that's not a good look, right,

1016
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: And I did it just from from what was said

1017
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: and what I saw just wasn't a good look and

1018
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: so um, and I think we texted and like maybe

1019
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: like with Chris and all the kind of things and

1020
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: um and then and then my brother was like, hey,

1021
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: I'd love to do an uncomfortable conversation with him. I

1022
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: like to have him on my series. I think that'd

1023
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: be amazing. Um, and I think they talked about it.

1024
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: Then I think y'all know more about kind of how

1025
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: this stuff goes. And I do the what do y'all call?

1026
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: Like your the powers that be in the Bachelor Nation team? Okay, cool?

1027
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: The production team. I like powers that be a lot better.

1028
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: The powers that be were like, hey, we want him

1029
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: to get the exclusive on Good Morning America. First, so

1030
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: Emmanuel was like, well, hey, come on, let's do the thing.

1031
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: And then it was like Chris couldn't. He couldn't because

1032
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: like the powers that be, you know, they're like, hey,

1033
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: we want to do with this route. And so my

1034
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: brother's like, all right, cool, and then all of a sudden,

1035
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: his start his phone starts getting blown up. And I

1036
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: don't know all the details, like he'd have to be

1037
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: the one to tell you, but they're like, hey, I

1038
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: think there was interest in him hosting it and so

1039
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: like so so like Emmanuel still wanted the mom but

1040
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: he had to wait for the Good Morning America thing

1041
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: and I think by then maybe it had I don't

1042
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: know if it had been announced or not yet. Um.

1043
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: And then so anyways, like so like they're like talking,

1044
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: and I think they're both trying to like they're both

1045
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: like figuring this out at the same time, right, because

1046
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's like, okay, like

1047
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: can you come on, can you not? Like what's you're

1048
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? And like I think some of the news,

1049
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: like Emmanuel find out the news about I don't. I

1050
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: don't know what news have been announced something maybe bachelorette

1051
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, and like he'll text Chris and be like, oh, man,

1052
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like this happened, you

1053
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so they're both, from what

1054
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: I understand, they're both kind of walking in this thing

1055
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: like trying to figure it out. Yeah, it's cool, it's

1056
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: cool to be I guess for me, you know, knowing

1057
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: Chris as a friend, knowing you, I don't. I've talked

1058
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: to Emmanuel a few times. Um, it's interesting to see

1059
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: now the behind the scenes of it all. And also

1060
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: though like, yeah, they have been talking, which is why

1061
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: when Emmanuel was announced as the host of the show,

1062
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: like I would imagine, I don't want to speak for Chris.

1063
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: I have no clue what his opinion was on that,

1064
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: but he's like, hey, like this is a dude that like, hey,

1065
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: after something I've invested twenty years and two, like, this

1066
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: is a dude that can do that. Like I I

1067
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, I know he he wants to do this well,

1068
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: I know that he wants to make sure that like

1069
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: everything is talked about. I don't know how that felt

1070
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: for him, but I would imagine it's kind of a

1071
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: weird thing to be like, wait, I'm also texting with

1072
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: the guy now that's gonna be sitting in that sea,

1073
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: and like he's only texting with him because Sam, who

1074
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: Chris doesn't know, and Ben Higgins says, hey, you should

1075
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: talk to Emmanuel, Like I just can't imagine what that

1076
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: feels like or what's going on behind the scenes in

1077
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: those kind of conversations. Yeah, I feel like it's like

1078
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: and it's I'll use like a sports example, it's almost

1079
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: like you've got like two quarterbacks trying to get the

1080
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: starting spot right or like wanting to be on the

1081
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: team right, and it's like, hey, coach, make the decision,

1082
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: you know. But it's like, hey, I'm still gonna be

1083
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: friends with you, Like I'm not gonna like and like

1084
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: I know Emmanuel's heart, like he's like, dude, I'm not

1085
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: gonna like like I think he understands like life, it

1086
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: has a long trajectory. So like with anything, the last

1087
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: thing you want to do with sale, let me try

1088
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: and figure out a way to kind of get by

1089
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: on this guy. He's like, dude, like I mean, I'm

1090
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: for you. You know what I mean, I'm for you know.

1091
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: I haven't watched all the interviews that Emmanuel's done or

1092
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: have all the ones that Chris has done, but I

1093
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 1: mean I even saw some of the interviews Emmanuel said.

1094
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: And it's not he's like, hey, I should be the

1095
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: next you know what I mean, Like he's more you know,

1096
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: and so um so anyways that it's almost I see

1097
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: it like I'm almost like a quarterback controversy, like hey, coach,

1098
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: make the decision. We're trying to hang out, we want

1099
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: to kick it, we want to be friends. But like

1100
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: what what's what? What is this? What's happening? What is this?

1101
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: You know, do you think that Emmanuel would have been

1102
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: the host if it weren't for Rachel Lindsay's recommendation. That's

1103
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: a great question. I don't know, Like I said, like

1104
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: the powers that be, so I don't know like how

1105
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: they operate, Um I do. I did see that Rachel

1106
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: like said hey, he'd be a great host, um and

1107
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: actually talked to him about that, you know, and he

1108
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: was like, dude, like I didn't ask Rachel to do that,

1109
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: Like I didn't, you know, like I was honored that

1110
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: she that she said that, but it wasn't like, hey, Rachel, um,

1111
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: go put in this good word like and then she

1112
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: got not crucified, the strong word, but she got kind

1113
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: of thrown to the wolves after that. And so anyways, UM,

1114
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure

1115
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: that um, Rachel's voice matters a ton, And so I

1116
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: think about like her putting her reputation on the line

1117
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: for somebody I think is a is a really big deal.

1118
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's just it's the whole thing. The whole

1119
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: process has been intriguing, and you know, one thing I

1120
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: wanna say here is well, interesting fact is you grew

1121
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: up going to church in the same church with Rachel Lindsay,

1122
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: which is kind of a random connection, right like in Dallas, Texas. Um,

1123
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: but you and your brother both uh are incredible humans, right,

1124
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: and like to be on television, to be hosting stuff

1125
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 1: and be able to be professional athletes at the same time.

1126
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: That's a skill that's a trait like um. But also

1127
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: just like I know from my personal story, like the

1128
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: way you've helped me navigate or the way that this

1129
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: whole thing has been navigated, where I can call you

1130
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: up and you're a trusted voice that I can listen to,

1131
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: and you you not only share with me like insights

1132
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: and encouragement and prayers, but you're also very uh, you know,

1133
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: clear and direct when I maybe am off target? Right?

1134
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: Where does that come from for you and your brother? Like?

1135
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: How how does that happen? Where you have two incredible

1136
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: brothers both running these incredible lanes and able to speak

1137
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: so much truth into the world. Yeah, that's a really

1138
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: good question. So I think about our parents, right, People

1139
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: talk about that all the time. Right. My parents have

1140
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: been married for thirty seven and thirty eight years um

1141
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: and like a strong marriage so much so that like

1142
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: they go on date nights every Friday, right, Like I

1143
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: don't kids, y'all do your thing? Yes, Like my dad

1144
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: takes takes my mom on a date every single Friday. Right.

1145
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: They celebrate things. There's this idea of like parents like

1146
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: celebrating their children, Like that's big. I think about education

1147
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: and as well, Right, he went to a school, a

1148
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: really really good school. It's like the number one rated,

1149
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: you know school in the nation, number one rated private

1150
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: school in the nation in Dallas, Texas. So I think

1151
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: about that piece as well. I also think about our faith, right,

1152
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: Like I think for me and I know Emmanuel, like

1153
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: our faith drives us. And so that's where it comes

1154
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: to it. It's not about me winning and dominating and

1155
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: destroying and just what it's like, how can I love

1156
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: you well? And like when man, when I think about you,

1157
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, how do I love you well? Think

1158
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: about my brother? How do I love you? What when

1159
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: I think about people who I know, like how do

1160
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: I love them well? Even with the um even like

1161
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: with this whole like navigating this new lane right, Like

1162
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: when you and I texted, I didn't know Emmanuel was

1163
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: trying to you know, had a option opportunity to in

1164
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: the batch and stuff like I don't know his his

1165
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: producer people, I don't know his uh his powers at

1166
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: the you know. I was just like, hey, man, like

1167
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: come on the show, you know, because he wanted to

1168
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: Chriss on the show. And I think he knew like

1169
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: what Immanuel said to me and y'all got to just

1170
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: have him on here. But he was like, man, like,

1171
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: this could be a good opportunity just to like for

1172
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: Christal lack a bit of terms like clear clear his name,

1173
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like just like let it

1174
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: all out, um. And so anyways, I think I think

1175
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: that comes from our faith, at least from my faith.

1176
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, all right, God, like my faith in

1177
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: Jesus period, like trying to honor him and love well

1178
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: and serve well. I go back to the education, right,

1179
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: the school was big and even like that sport piece too, right,

1180
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: being able to live in a couple of different worlds. Right.

1181
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: He went to this predominantly white school, but a predominantly

1182
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: black church. You mentioned. That's a church that Rachel, you know,

1183
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: and her Rachel and her family went to as well,

1184
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: and then like home parents who loved and cared and supported,

1185
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: you know. But even with that piece too about Rachel,

1186
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: Emmanuel uh going to church agre like they've been friends

1187
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: for a long long time. Before his uncomfortable conversation started,

1188
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: he was actually gonna do it with Rachel. This is

1189
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: like six eight nine months ago in June. He was like, hey, Rachel,

1190
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: let's do this thing together, like they were just friends.

1191
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: And she couldn't do it because she was in l

1192
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: a and he was in Austin. But She's like, hey,

1193
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: I know I can't be there, but you go for it,

1194
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, And he went for and all of a

1195
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: sudden blew up. And so I think about their friendship

1196
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: and sacrifice, you know what I mean. Like, actually to

1197
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: your question of what Immanuel have gotten the host without

1198
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: Rachel's recommendation, Maybe maybe not. I don't know the powers

1199
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: that be, but I do know that was a big sacrifice.

1200
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: And do you know that carried heavyweight? Do you think

1201
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: about football? Right? And I'm going back to these football examples.

1202
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: I played for the Chicago Bears. The first Indian American

1203
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: coordinator has now been hired for what I understand in

1204
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: the NFL. His name is Shan Decide and he's been ready, right,

1205
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: He's been ready to be a coordinator in the NFL

1206
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: for years. But a lot of times, at least in

1207
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: those circles, it's about who you know, and most of

1208
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: those coaches are white or white men, so they just

1209
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: hire people who they know, who they look like. And

1210
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: so I remember, and and Sean decidedn't ask me to

1211
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: do this, or didn't like text me and say hey,

1212
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: putting a good word. I just remember like speaking out

1213
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: for him at a video and shared it and said, hey,

1214
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: like this guy is ready, and I just left it there,

1215
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it caught wind and he

1216
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: got hired. I don't think. I don't know if I

1217
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: have that kind of power, influence or whatever, but I

1218
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: just needed to say something because it was true. It

1219
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: was true that Sean Decai was ready to be a coordinator.

1220
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: All these other coordinators were getting hired left and right,

1221
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: and Sean was just getting past. It was true. And

1222
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: so with Rachel, I think what she said, Rachel lindsay,

1223
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: it was true, like you got the first black bachelor,

1224
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: and then you have the person who we chose is

1225
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: has made some racially insensitive comments. You've got this guy

1226
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: who's like literally like best friends with Oprah, doing book

1227
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: deals with Oprah and having uncomfortable conversations with Matthew McConaughey

1228
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: and and Chip and Joanna Gaines and Chelsea Handler and

1229
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: the whole like l a police department. Like if anybody's

1230
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: fit for this conversation, this guy is fit for now

1231
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to hire him, great,

1232
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: if you don't, great for this, but like, he's fit

1233
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: for And I think there's something to be said about

1234
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: about saying something and sacrificing something that it may cost you,

1235
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: but let it. Even though it's true, a lot of

1236
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: people wanted to see Chris on the show on after

1237
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: the final Rows having an uncomfortable conversation with Emmanuel. Was

1238
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: that ever on the table? If you know, Oh, I

1239
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: have no idea, I have no idea. Yeah, I think

1240
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: you got to have the powers that be Ashley powers

1241
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: that they don't anything. Yeah, yeah, I don't think. I

1242
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't. I don't know. I don't think

1243
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: that was on the table though, I think, um, yeah,

1244
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. And this is my first time watching

1245
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: the show, so I don't know, like if that stuff

1246
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: that happens but just happened on The Bachelor. Yes, I

1247
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: know Emanuel is trying to have that conversation, but um

1248
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: with him on the on the on his show, right right? Okay,

1249
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: and all right, well let's I think we should dive

1250
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: into like the macro of last night. What do you

1251
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: think then? Yeah, let's take a break here, Let's take

1252
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 1: a breather. When we come back, we're gonna break down.

1253
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna like, we're gonna walk Sam, who has never

1254
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: watched the show before, through a breakdown of an episode.

1255
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: It's going to be fantastic. Uh, he's gonna be along

1256
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: for it. But let's take a break first. We'll be

1257
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: back with almost famous podcasts. So, Sam, first episode you've

1258
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: ever watched. The thing about finale episodes is often the

1259
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: first two hours are like kind of negated by the

1260
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: after the final rows because many things changed within three months.

1261
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 1: How did you feel overall about the episode? And then

1262
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: what are your feelings about what was unveiled at after

1263
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: the final rows? Yeah? So quick disclaimer. I think like

1264
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: in high school, I might have watched a couple of episodes,

1265
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 1: but not like the full thing. So I've seen kind

1266
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: of it before the first concept bingo bingo. So and

1267
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Speaker 1: also a second disclaimer. I knew Emaniel wasn't gonna be

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: ONTI that last hour, so I kind of waited until

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01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: I caught I caught it. I caught like the second hour. Okay,

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: so then what do you think that the conversation went? Yeah, well,

1271
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: I just thought like when I was watching and you know,

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01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: no intention to offend. Actually I didn't ask questions because

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: I was like, this gotta be scripted. It's gotta be

1274
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: because I'm like the way that, like the way that

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: Matt was like I believe that together. I'm like, God,

1276
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: is that how people actually talk? Like? But I guess

1277
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: when you're in the middle of the emotions. But he

1278
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: was like, you know, and like why get the ring?

1279
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: You know you're not about to marry her? Like did

1280
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: they make him get the ring? Like the person was

1281
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: coming in showing these different rings for a whole week

1282
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: he was going to make his scene. Like I'm like, bro,

1283
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: you know you just said you're not about to you know,

1284
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: you're not, Like I didn't all I know. All I

1285
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: know is that you see he sent Michelle home. I

1286
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: think Michell all right, he sent Michelle home and then

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01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: he said he went about to be with Rachel, so

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01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: why are you getting a ring? You know? And then

1289
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: also I was like in the woods and I don't

1290
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: know if I like y'all might have gone to say,

1291
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, how are you wearing high heels and a

1292
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: dress in the woods? Like those things going through my mind,

1293
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: like what are we doing? And so like I'm like

1294
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: this is gonna be, you know. And then he was

1295
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: like I don't think that you know, my my parents.

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01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like I'm like, okay, so are you gonna

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01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: marry or you're not? And then he's like we can't

1298
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: be together or something, and then but let's date. I'm like, huh,

1299
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: all that for this? And so I was and I

1300
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: got y'all that might just be the thing. When I

1301
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: was and I haven't watched, you know, so I was like, Okay,

1302
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? You know? So but what I did love.

1303
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: What I did love was how Michelle came after and

1304
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: after the final rose and she was like I was

1305
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: heartbroken and I just wanted two minutes, no producer, just

1306
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: too but just to talk and you didn't give me that.

1307
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: So that right there. So I loved that piece because

1308
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: you gotta get you gotta chance to get behind the scenes.

1309
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, so I was low key mad

1310
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: and mad, like mad, you didn't give her two minutes.

1311
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: But then I get it, like he's like, Okay, she

1312
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: might change my mind or whatever. Um. But then and

1313
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: I care about little things, little things, and you shouldn't

1314
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: have hadden me on this podcast. And I'm like and

1315
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did he hug why did why did

1316
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: why did you like she hug him at the end

1317
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: if she was still mad, I'm like, I'm about to

1318
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: hug you. You You didn't give me my two minutes. I'm

1319
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: not about to sit next to you. I'm not about

1320
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: to hug you. I'm about to sit on the other

1321
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: side and just let you explain your piece before you

1322
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: you know. But then, but then, but then with Rachel,

1323
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: when they said okay, you know, Emmanuel was like, there's

1324
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: one last chance for an embrace, and he looked at

1325
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: her like, man, I'll know you. You know that was

1326
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: that was wild. That was something we've never seen before.

1327
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: First off, I sort of laughed when he said your

1328
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: last chance for an embrace, And I was like, that's

1329
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: very interesting. But then they didn't do it, and I

1330
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: was like, holy, can we can we just mentioned for

1331
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: a second here? One uh side comments Sam. This is

1332
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: how fans of The Bachelor start is by asking all

1333
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: these questions. You're asking and be like I don't get it,

1334
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't get it, and then

1335
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: you watch next season to see if you can get it,

1336
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: and you never do for twenty years. Um. But the

1337
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: second piece is, can we just give a little credit

1338
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: to your brother and to this episode for how much

1339
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for lack of you know, uh irony here, uncomfortable silence.

1340
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: There was like there was moments here like for that

1341
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: when he's like you can embrace and they just sit

1342
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: there and your brother has to sit in that with

1343
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: him as they just like sit there in silence, or

1344
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: when they do like when they transition into the up

1345
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: to the conversation, uh or the after the final rose

1346
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: and there's just this uncomfortable silence like that just pains

1347
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: me inside. It's so hard to watch. We can I

1348
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: ask another question? And I know, I guess I'm becoming

1349
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: a fan now. I don't know. No, no, no more questions,

1350
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: No more questions, Okay, so when Matt, what is happening

1351
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: to me? How do I know everybody's name? Now? So

1352
01:06:54,760 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: when Matt left Michelle uh or maybe it was Rachel,

1353
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: when you're sitting outside the hotel as a hotel or

1354
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: somewhere sitting outside of the hotel, and then Chris came

1355
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: and he was asking, like you know, like what it

1356
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, you're you're you're probably confused and you're

1357
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: probably there there probably It's like if it was me

1358
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: and I was in matt shoes, like I feel like

1359
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: because I feel like he had to agree with him.

1360
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: Whoever the host, you have to yeah, you're probably feel

1361
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: like confused, you probably need to take some time to whatever.

1362
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: Can he say? No, I'm not confused. I just know

1363
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to be with her, like like I

1364
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: just it was like, yeah, you probably should this, and

1365
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: you got a lot of emotions and and Emanuel did

1366
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: that a little bit too on the after the final

1367
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: So I think it's like a host thing. But I'm like,

1368
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: know what, like what would it be like if you

1369
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: know you probably need to take some time. No, I

1370
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: don't think i'm any time. I think I know exactly

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01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I think you know, can that because

1372
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: that's what I would do. I think that's why I

1373
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: couldn't be one of these shows. Tell me if I'm

1374
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: confused or not. I don't know exactly what I want.

1375
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: It definitely depends on the personality, Like I think I'm

1376
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: Ben or Matt. Personality is gonna be like, yeah, I

1377
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: really am confused, and I'm gonna be like no, I

1378
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: just don't like him. Up. Is that how you were

1379
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: on your episode? To go back and watch how to

1380
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: go back and watch this? No? No, you know I'm

1381
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: down here. See he's so in He's all right, Well,

1382
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: let's get to the Rachel and Matt stuff. So there

1383
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: were rumors before that they weren't going to be together,

1384
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: but how their breakup unfolded was interesting to me. So

1385
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 1: he says that they had a honeymoon period, of course,

1386
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: as many should have after the bachelor process is over.

1387
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: And then he said that there were rumors coming out

1388
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: about her, but he just kind of like hoped they

1389
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: weren't true. What I found interesting about that is they

1390
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:53,520
Speaker 1: weren't so much rumors as they were physical pictures. Um,

1391
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: So it just made me go. And then he said,

1392
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: once her apology came out. Once Rachel's apology came out,

1393
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 1: that's when he realized he couldn't be with her anymore.

1394
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 1: How did you what were all your thoughts on this? Well?

1395
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: First of all, so this this is filmed like three

1396
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: months ago, right all the other stuff, so yes, and

1397
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: then after the final rose just to clarify for the

1398
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: viewers recorded last week, but did people know that Rachel

1399
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: had one before yesterday or before like last week or whatever?

1400
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: It was not for a fact. No, there was high

1401
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: speculation in this case, just because there's been so much

1402
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: press about her. Okay, yeah, because I was I was

1403
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: kind of confused on the timeline, like okay, like did

1404
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: you know whatever? Because I'm thinking this is film before,

1405
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: but this is happening in real time. Kenny, is he

1406
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 1: allowed to say anything about it? As Sheila? I didn't

1407
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: really know that piece. So but anyways, yeah, like I

1408
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: think I was just kind of after seeing him not

1409
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: proposed and say like, hey, let's date, I was like, oh, yeah,

1410
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: I've just been dating. Like this isn't even anything, you

1411
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I think it's been. It

1412
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: would have been different if it was like let's get

1413
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: married and what I don't know, it was like, hey,

1414
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 1: let's date and then so so like literally like I

1415
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: was catching up on it yesterday. Yeah. I I mean

1416
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people assumed the timeline was

1417
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: weird for me as well. But you just said something

1418
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: makes sense to me because initially, my my first reaction

1419
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: to that when he was having a conversation with her

1420
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: was like, come on, Matt, like this is this is

1421
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: your partner, like you know you love each other, Like

1422
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 1: are you guys breaking this off? You know? She apologized

1423
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: why do you why are you now gone? Once the

1424
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: apology happens, Like that was my first reaction. Now you

1425
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: say they're dating, and I get that a little bit more.

1426
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: Now it's like, ano, they're just dating and this isn't

1427
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: the girlfriend, right, He's made no commitment to her that

1428
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: he necessarily wanted, and like I feel like it was

1429
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. Yeah, that was his girlfriend. They were committed couple,

1430
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: and committed couple. He had an opportunity need to propose,

1431
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I'll pass. Like what is

1432
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: if that doesn't if that doesn't say anything? What does

1433
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: like for me at least as a dude, Like it's

1434
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: like the opportunity and maybe it's like I need more

1435
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: to get engaged after eight weeks. I feel like it

1436
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: was the eight weeks he didn't feel comfortable with. You mean,

1437
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: like as a hell on the show goes for So

1438
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: then why is anybody So let's blow up this whole thing.

1439
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: Why is anybody proposing after eight weeks? Like that's my issue?

1440
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: Why does any like so, why do you know what

1441
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean? I get it, maybe the powers that be

1442
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: need is to happen, but like, why is anybody proposing

1443
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: after eight weeks? Like I knew you you know what

1444
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: I mean, my bad band? Now did you prose that?

1445
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 1: Let me? So cut that out. So like like you

1446
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: need somebody, you need somebody for eight weeks, and then

1447
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: like two weeks after the eight weeks or three weeks

1448
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: after something new happens. Oh, this is new information. So

1449
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: like I don't want to date you anymore because we

1450
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: were just dating. That's that's the way I see it,

1451
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 1: and that and that's what I'm saying. That makes sense

1452
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: to me, Like when I watched it, you know, in

1453
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: my head, you know, it sometimes works. I think it

1454
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: can people get because it's the it's the weird part

1455
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 1: of the show, right, nobody's gonna claim it is the

1456
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: most effective, healthiest way to get engaged, but you know

1457
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: it works, Like for Ashley, it worked like the show

1458
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: worked for her, uh four times in an introduction sense.

1459
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: But the point is that, like now it makes sense

1460
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: to me because like they were just dating and like

1461
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: now they broke broke. He broke it off because of

1462
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: the stuff that he found out, the new information that

1463
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 1: he found out during their dating relationship period. And that's fine.

1464
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: But I was watching it last night, I guess with

1465
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: the perspective of like, and I never even thought, but like, oh,

1466
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: they're engaged. You're breaking off something that you've committed to saying, Hey,

1467
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: like I love you, I'm your partner in this, I'm

1468
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna be your teammate in this, I'm gonna i'm your

1469
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 1: writer die in this. Like and as soon as you

1470
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: make an apology then he's like, no, I can't do it.

1471
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: But if they're dating, then I guess it's it's a

1472
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: little it makes a lot more sense to me. Now, Yeah,

1473
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: only two things for me, and these are like my

1474
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: only two things. I think I've said more than two things,

1475
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: but these are going to be the two things. Um,

1476
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: you like this show more than you're admitting to Sam.

1477
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: I know I'm not. I refused to get sucked in

1478
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: to the powers that be. The powers that be. Now

1479
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm getting like, so the first thing was like I

1480
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: think he knew, like let me, let me, let me

1481
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: just get to know you. That's what it seemed like

1482
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: at the proposal in the woods with the heels and

1483
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: the dress, right like, let me get to know you,

1484
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: That's what it seemed like. And so I was like, okay,

1485
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 1: like people get to know people, so like that's information

1486
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: that the part I didn't understand that I felt was

1487
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: scripted and actually, maybe you can speak to this because

1488
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: I know what's I think. I know it's not scripted.

1489
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: Maybe I gotta watch more to find out. But but

1490
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, both Michelle and Rachel, we're

1491
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: like I couldn't imagine life without you, or like Michelle

1492
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: brought out the jerseys. I don't know the significance of that.

1493
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: I think I know he played football, but there's something

1494
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: like basketball jersey, you know, and my future and forever.

1495
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: And then Rachel was like, you know, all I see

1496
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: in my life at this moment is you. I'm like, bro,

1497
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: you know only for eight weeks. I could be a

1498
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: mass murder, I could be a serial killer, like not

1499
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: a serial but it's like there's no way, like in

1500
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: my mind, you don't know me, So how do you?

1501
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: How can you say that I couldn't imagine my life

1502
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: without you, like to me, if it was me and

1503
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm a competitor, It's like, I'm gonna say what I

1504
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: need to say to win. So what do I need

1505
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: to say to win this guy's heart? And if I

1506
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: need to, if I need to say that I can't

1507
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: imagine my life without you, then I'll say it. If

1508
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: I need to, if I need to, you know, say that,

1509
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: hey I got these jerseys and Mrs James and Mr James,

1510
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 1: then I'll say it. I just it just wasn't registering

1511
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: to me that there's no way that y'all could just

1512
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: be madly in love with this dude. Like and I'm

1513
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: sure back Torett is the same way. There's no way

1514
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: these dudes can be madly in love with this guy.

1515
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: And obviously has ever been in the bubble before you

1516
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: go in the bubble and you'll understand. But but I

1517
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,839
Speaker 1: just need to I want to talk to you about

1518
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: do you think that Matt broke up with Rachel solely

1519
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: because she needs to do work on her own. Do

1520
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: you feel like that is truly the reason that they

1521
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: broke up, just based on what you saw last night. Yeah,

1522
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: so based on what I saw last based on what

1523
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: I heard I heard him say. Um, I heard him.

1524
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: I heard him say, like the work, you need to

1525
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: do some of that work on your own. That was

1526
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: what I heard, And I was like, Okay, I can

1527
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: respect that, right because I think sometimes in relationship it's

1528
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: easy to say I'm gonna change and do all these things,

1529
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: but just so I can win. I want to win.

1530
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: I want to win your heart. So, like I heard

1531
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: him say, I I need you to do some of

1532
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: that work on your own, which makes sense, but to

1533
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: the other piece as well, like I think that there

1534
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: needs to because I have a ton of friends and

1535
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: interracial relationships. Um, you know, even my brother he had

1536
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: he had Jamie and Aaron Ivy who have kids who

1537
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: are they're white, but they have kids who were black.

1538
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: And even he had some other couples Lindsay Van and

1539
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: uh p K sub Suban and another couple who were

1540
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: in interracial relationships or Rachel and her You know her

1541
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 1: significant other, and so I think what I know in

1542
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: any whether it's a relationship or a friendship or even

1543
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: with your a parent, it's like there needs to be

1544
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: an area of understanding, of understanding and willingness to learn, right,

1545
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: not just to say I'm willing to learn, but to

1546
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: actually be willing to learn, right, even with the friendship. Right,

1547
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: Ben hit me up about the thing, you know, hey

1548
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: with Chris months ago or a month of I don't know,

1549
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: and I never watched the show. I was like, Hey,

1550
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: this is my friend. Let me like, let me learn.

1551
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: And I'm over here watching Extra and watching things, whether

1552
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: or any of you know what I mean, because I

1553
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: wanted to learn because he's my friend. And so some

1554
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: people have that, some people develop that, and then some

1555
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: people are like, I don't really care so much about that.

1556
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I said, I haven't. I don't

1557
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: even know if Rachel is on social media, right, I haven't.

1558
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what she's said or hasn't said, or posted,

1559
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: tweeted or whatever, And so I really can't speak to that.

1560
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: But I do know in any relationship or friendship or anything,

1561
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: it's like I want to learn about you and I'm

1562
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: willing to, Like, I'm willing to learn about about whether

1563
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: it's your being black in America or hey, how is

1564
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: it being a woman in America? Or how is it

1565
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: being a celebrity? Right, Like, I don't know actually said

1566
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: you're married, right, I don't know if you met you

1567
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: said you met your husband on the show. But it's like,

1568
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: let's say you met somebody who wasn't on the show,

1569
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: Like I would hope that they would say, like, hey, like,

1570
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what this world is like, but I

1571
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: want to learn. I want to. I want to I

1572
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: want to learn more. And so so anyways, I can't

1573
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: speak to what he said because I don't know if

1574
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: she has taken those steps, but you have, people have

1575
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: to take steps to learn about other people. Well, you know,

1576
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: we sit in a place and now though, and it's

1577
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: it's super interesting. So we watched last night's episode. I

1578
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: want to get your overarching thoughts because we only have

1579
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: a few minutes left with you. Um, your overarching thoughts

1580
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: on how last night went like with the conversations that

1581
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: your brother was able to kind of facilitate, Um, what

1582
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: you saw on the show, do you believe I guess

1583
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,879
Speaker 1: to ask the question to help it make it easiest

1584
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: to answered. Do you did you find that last night's

1585
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: episode was helpful or was it hurtful? I thought it

1586
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: was extremely helpful, Um, just from the perspective of someone

1587
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: I gotta come from my perspective because I'm not like

1588
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: in the nation or whatever, so like from somebody who

1589
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: I had been hearing about these controversies. Uh. I thought

1590
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: it was extremely helpful. Number one for Michelle to address

1591
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: Matt on the piece of because I caught that, like, hey,

1592
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: whatever was a comedy said it's nice to hear I'm

1593
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 1: glad you think that way or whatever that comment is, Like, hey, dude,

1594
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: like what was the comment? Do you remember? It was?

1595
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing? Thank you for sharing? Right, Like

1596
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, man, like guys, we gotta like actually

1597
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: like speak up or listeners, so it's not just like, okay, well,

1598
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing. Right. So I thought that was

1599
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: interesting on that piece. But from the racial reconciliation piece,

1600
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was phenomenal because Matt shared his heart,

1601
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: Racial shared her right, and Emmanuel was asking hard questions

1602
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: that a lot of people may not have been ready

1603
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: or willing to ask, right because you say Okay, maybe

1604
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: Chris somebody, Like there could have been somebody else who

1605
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: hosted the show, and that person probably would have been

1606
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: having those conversations. So like, from my perspective and even

1607
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: now right actually like okay for Matt to be like, hey,

1608
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: don't understand any of my black not understanding my blackness, Like,

1609
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: let's talk about it, Like these are things that people

1610
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: haven't talked about, So let's talk about it, because there

1611
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: is a deal about being black, being a black man

1612
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: in America, and that's like a real thing. But also,

1613
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: as Ben can attest to you, I had Annie on

1614
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: him and Annie on my podcast earlier, the Athletes for

1615
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: Justice podcast, and I didn't realize that Anny downs just

1616
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: this phenomenal woman. She's a she's a phenomenal woman. She's

1617
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 1: a podcaster or New York Times bestselling author, amazing, but

1618
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: she had some of the same fears that I have.

1619
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: M So I was like, oh wow, because we were

1620
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,759
Speaker 1: willing to go there and have those conversations. Yes, Annie,

1621
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: whatever else, understand my blackness, but let me understand your

1622
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: your woman nous. Let me understand that, because that's a

1623
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: real thing. Actually, Like I don't know, like I'm not

1624
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: sure what college you went to, but like like rape

1625
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: culture is real, Like so I couldn't. I literally will

1626
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: be on campus and we'll see, uh when I was

1627
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: in college, even now walking about, we'll see a young

1628
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: woman like walking and like in my mind, I'm like, oh, dude,

1629
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: Like I'd be scared because I'm like, dude, what if

1630
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: some random dude comes in like does something you know?

1631
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: And that's a real thing. So in the same way

1632
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: like as a black man, like driving like and then

1633
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: we talked about this on the on the podcast, like

1634
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: I have a fear of like driving at night by

1635
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: myself because I'm like, if I get pulled over by

1636
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: the wrong cop who's in the wrong mood and maybe

1637
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: he has maybe he's racist, maybe he's racially insensitive, maybe

1638
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: he's just scared, but I am in danger. I'm thirty

1639
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: two year old black man. This thirty something year old

1640
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: white woman has that same fear. And so I think

1641
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: that I thought yesterday's episode was phenomenal because we were

1642
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: able to have these conversations that many people are not

1643
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: willing to have, and now we're able to ask the

1644
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: questions and really go deeper. When I don't think anyone

1645
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: else I don't think anyone else was fit for that conversation.

1646
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's interesting you bring up that podcast.

1647
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: I remember any talking about putting her keys between between

1648
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: her fingers to walk to her car um and how

1649
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: I learned that When she said it right, I had

1650
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: no clue. That's not a part of my life. And

1651
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: I have to admit to that, like that's not a

1652
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: thing I worry about. It's also not a thing I

1653
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: worry about to drive at night, like that's something. But

1654
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 1: it's helpful to have two friends sitting there telling me

1655
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: this so that we can start to get a better

1656
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: and I can start to get a better understanding of

1657
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: what your lives look like like, what it is that

1658
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 1: goes on because ultimately, like you said, when you bring

1659
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: into relationships, when you go into relationship with people, you

1660
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: want to start learning about them. That's the thing. That's

1661
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 1: what the cool part about relationships is Now my question,

1662
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: and this is gonna be it's it's it's not a

1663
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 1: good question, but the conversation is now started, as we

1664
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: finished up at the last minute here, how do we

1665
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: continue the conversations in a healthy way from here? Like

1666
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: we've we we've started these conversations. Let's say a month

1667
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: ago when this interview came out, right, Um, you and

1668
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: I both know Chris behind the scenes has continued these

1669
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: conversations with people that we know, Um, and now you

1670
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: know your brother sits on. After the final rose last night,

1671
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: everybody starts talking about this. How do we not let

1672
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: it stop here? How do we not say? How do

1673
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: we move forward? So it feels like we're just jumping

1674
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: to the endpoint and saying, Okay, it's all good now, right,

1675
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: like everybody can come back and we're like going to

1676
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: celebrate and have fun. No, Like, how do we do

1677
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: this in a healthy way? Step by step to make

1678
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: sure that the change is needed and done. We have

1679
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: to be willing to be open and not take sides.

1680
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: It's easy when you see someone like Rachel, so no

1681
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: matter what the scenario is, just to take her side.

1682
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: And I get that, because it's also easy to see

1683
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: someone like Matt and no matter what the situation is,

1684
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: to take his side. And I think we have to

1685
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: be willing to like open up our fists like that

1686
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: that we have clinched up, ready to pick a side

1687
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: and fight this battle and literally listen, like my dad

1688
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: would say, listing he's from now your listen to me. Listen,

1689
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: like literally listen, because I think when you listen, you

1690
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: have the ability to learn. And like that's like a

1691
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: heart thing because even if sometimes we as you talk

1692
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 1: about these issues, your heart starts to feel a little

1693
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: bit like hot. Like man, what like I'm ready to go,

1694
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: ready to fight from my friend or whatever. But it's

1695
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: like what if you could be in someone's corner but

1696
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 1: still love them through it, not cancel, but like imagine

1697
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 1: like a boxing ring, right you're someone's in someone actually

1698
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: is in the fight trying to win the fight. Like

1699
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: what if we could be in their corner and say, like,

1700
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 1: if you're in the corner and they're not punching, where

1701
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna say, here's a better way to punch. Hey,

1702
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: you gotta like dodge a little bit, Hey, rest a

1703
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: little bit as opposed to like jumping in the ring

1704
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: with him and swinging and we'd be disqualified. It's like,

1705
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: but you got to speak truth to the guy who's

1706
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 1: in the fight. Nothing. That's what I was trying to say,

1707
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: man when we first saw it, Like, hey, like what

1708
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: if there's a way to speak truth to your friend? Um,

1709
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: so he doesn't get beat up, you know what I mean.

1710
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: So my final question goes off that, Um, Matt says that,

1711
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, he wants Rachel to educate herself and your

1712
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: your brother asked if there was any chance for reconciliation

1713
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 1: down the road after she's done that work. He didn't

1714
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: seem super enthusiastic about that chance. Do you feel that

1715
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: Matt is somebody who is ready for a relationship seeing

1716
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: the three hours that you did yesterday? M what saw

1717
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: like an hour and a half? Because um, yeah, I

1718
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: think the short answer to no, Um, just the little

1719
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: time that I saw black, Hey, I think you should.

1720
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how old he is, but I think

1721
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: he's still trying to figure out life, you know, Um,

1722
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: you know. But also, how does how does somebody do

1723
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: that in eight weeks? Like, how do you get ready

1724
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: for a relationship in eight weeks? It's impossible that it's

1725
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: not it's rare. It's rare. It's uh, you know what,

1726
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: we saw a lot last night. There's a lot of

1727
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: the thing that I love most about this show is

1728
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: when um, the show hits reality and we're seeing Matt grow, which, Hey,

1729
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing, right, Like I you know

1730
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: all of us have grown just by living another day.

1731
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:49,520
Speaker 1: We saw your brother host I would say tremendously well, like, uh,

1732
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: just as as good as what I could have even imagined.

1733
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: I watched it on the edge of my seat. I was,

1734
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, I was learning, he was he was sensitive.

1735
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: He also, like I mean, outside of everything else, Like

1736
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: the dude really played up this bachelor hosting role. Like

1737
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: he let people sit in silence and he was like,

1738
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: you can embrace now, and he just sat there and

1739
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: like in the awkwardness, like he really he owned it

1740
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: last night. Um, Sam, you're You're the greatest man. I

1741
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: appreciate you a lot, and I really appreciate you coming

1742
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: on here to the almost famous podcast this this is

1743
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: something super special for Ashley and I. Before we let

1744
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: you go, I do we just want to mention one

1745
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: more time. Uh, your book, Uh Let the World See

1746
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: You is an incredible book. If you've loved listen to

1747
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: the same, you're gonna love his book even more. UM

1748
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: go out check it out, purchase it. Um. Sam, thanks

1749
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: for spending some time with us today. Thank you for

1750
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: for being there for for this podcast. And uh and

1751
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: we'll be talking really soon, buddy. Thank you so much.

1752
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Thank you. Hey, happy anniversary. Also, that's a big deal.

1753
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: You just celebrated it. Um awesome thing. So yeah, you're

1754
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: just you're the best, dude. Thank you. I appreciate it, dude.

1755
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: A Hey, Sam um Man, thank you for coming on.

1756
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: I know it's we kept you a little longer than

1757
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: you wanted, but um but just thanks, buddy, No, thank

1758
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: you do you Thanks for thinking to me. And I

1759
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: literally like, I think you texted me right around as

1760
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: I was going to that trip, like you gotta go.

1761
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: You gotta go because it's gonna be like water for

1762
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: your soul. Yeah, so I'm gonna. I'm gonna, Yeah, I

1763
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: have a couple of things I want to talk to

1764
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: you about that. I want to talk to you about

1765
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: that of Annie's deal. So yeah, I'll call you, so yeah,

1766
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: hit me up. All right, buddy, Bye, It's another week,

1767
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: which means another session of Bachelor headlines. There are many

1768
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about him. Actually, you're our resident expert,

1769
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: so here we go. Chris Harrison not returning to the

1770
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: Bachelrette next season. Tasha Adams and Caitlin Bristow to co

1771
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: host Disaccording to People, all right, well if Chris isn't

1772
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: coming back. These girls, in my opinion, will do a

1773
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: dandy job filling in for him. We know that you

1774
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,879
Speaker 1: guys know that we are huge fans of these two ladies,

1775
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 1: Like how much did I fan Girl over during her season?

1776
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 1: And Caitlin has been a friend of ours for years.

1777
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: This is very exciting for for the two of them,

1778
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: and I do think that there'll be great support systems

1779
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: for at least Katie, who we know they're doing Katie's season,

1780
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: um throughout this It's gonna be nice to have like

1781
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: two girls to like kind of lead them. They lead

1782
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: them with the advice throughout the process. Actually, I'm gonna

1783
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: pause headlines here and ask you a question that I

1784
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are wondering, especially myself. Maybe

1785
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm the only one wondering this. Why do you Okay,

1786
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: how is this gonna work? So they have Katie and

1787
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: Michelle both announces bachelorrettes. It's not going to be the

1788
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: Caitlin Britt situation where they have to pick and choose.

1789
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: It's gonna be two separate seasons. So it's just so

1790
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: explain this to me in a few minutes as short

1791
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 1: as you can. Why they chose to do two bachelorette seasons,

1792
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: which means I'm assuming they're not doing a Paradise I'm

1793
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: making these assumptions. Tell me when I'm wrong. No, tell

1794
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: me when I'm wrong. And right here, uh, two bachelortte

1795
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: seasons is not doing a Paradise season. Who knows in

1796
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: the Bachelor seasons happening? Haitlyn and Tasia around for both.

1797
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: So this means they're like working for the next six

1798
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 1: months straight. Just just help me understand what is going on? Okay, Well,

1799
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: the little slice that we got from them last night

1800
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: on stage definitely didn't explain everything in the best way.

1801
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: Their Instagram did the explaining. So first, we're gonna have

1802
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: Katie in this s summer spring, whatever you wanna call it,

1803
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: and then we're going to have Michelle's season in the fall.

1804
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: But I believe that Paradise will be smushed in there.

1805
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: And so yes, production will be working absolutely NonStop from

1806
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: now because they start filming Katie season this week until

1807
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: early December, literally filming every single month because it'll be

1808
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: March and April and a little early May with Katie.

1809
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Then they'll jump into Paradise and do a full June shoot.

1810
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: Then they'll be shooting July and August Michelle season, and

1811
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: then they'll be doing the Bachelor and it's normal September

1812
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 1: through November. Spot why are they doing it this way? Like?

1813
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: Why two bachelortte seasons back to back? I guess they

1814
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: wanted these two girls to both have opportunities. So interesting, right,

1815
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean there are rumors out there? Should I address rumors?

1816
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, let's let's what are the rumors? What

1817
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 1: are you what are you hearing? The rumor is that

1818
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: they want The rumor, okay, you guys, is that they

1819
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: wanted Michelle to be the Bachelorette, but she is committed

1820
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: to teaching throughout the rest of the school year, so

1821
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: they thought they would film with Katie during their normal

1822
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: time slot and then then they create a new time

1823
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: slot for Michelle. That makes sense. I mean, hey, good,

1824
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 1: good on Michelle for keeping with her commitment to teach.

1825
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,719
Speaker 1: So it's amazing if that is true. If that's true,

1826
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: it's it's it's at least an idea. Um alright, Ashley,

1827
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: So final rumor, and you just have to help me

1828
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,560
Speaker 1: understand this. If they are going to do a Paradise

1829
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: and I would assume now because they've already said that

1830
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: Caitlin and Tatia are going to be the host for

1831
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: the Bachelorettes, that Chris Harrison is not going to be

1832
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: around for those, then what happens with Paradise we have

1833
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 1: no clue. Okay, well, uh, speaking to Chris Harrison. The

1834
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 1: Bachelor at co host Tasha Adams spoke with Chris Harrison

1835
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 1: about replacing him. Her quote is, according to US Weekly,

1836
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: he was so kind. Well, that's nice to hear Tasia

1837
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: talks about how, you know, she's so honored to be

1838
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: given this opportunity. She said that I talked to Chris

1839
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,560
Speaker 1: the other day and he was so kind and congratulated

1840
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: me for being part of the next season. It meant

1841
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:39,520
Speaker 1: the world. With that being said, y'all, let's freaking go. Well, UM,

1842
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: obviously there's gonna be a lot around Tasia and Caitlin

1843
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: that we'll be talking about. I mean, I feel like

1844
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: we've talked about Caitlin and Tasha for a long time.

1845
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Tasha as a last Bachelor and Caitlin with

1846
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,879
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. I mean, why not just continue

1847
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 1: to talk about him? UM, as they code, they're not

1848
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: calling it hosting. UM. They're guiding supporting the bachelor's through

1849
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 1: with the pros. It's gonna be interesting style that looks well.

1850
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of Tasha, fans were starting rumors that Tasha and

1851
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Zach broke up, which would break my heart if it

1852
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 1: did happen, because she was seen without her ring. But

1853
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: she went on I G Instagram for all those out

1854
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: there Monday, March fift morning, stating, uh, what the ring?

1855
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 1: Why the ring wasn't on her finger? What's going on? Ashley? Well,

1856
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 1: she was like, first, guys, you were looking at my

1857
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: right hand, so you were messed up about that in

1858
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: the first place. But the truth of the matter is

1859
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: I didn't even have my ring on my left hand

1860
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: because I finally went out to l A. I went

1861
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: to Nei Line store. They are cleaning it and sizing

1862
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 1: it because this thing has felt like it's going to

1863
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: fall off my finger for months. Now. Well, good for her.

1864
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: Then that's an expensive ring and not only do you

1865
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: get it insured, you also have to get a resize.

1866
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: I would say the idea that she's getting at re

1867
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 1: size is a good sign for their relationship. She's seeing

1868
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 1: this thing as a long term commitment, which, hey, I'm

1869
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: pumped about I really liked him Together to another big

1870
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: rumor in the relationship category, Claire Crawley and Dale Moss

1871
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: ruled out a long term future together after reunion. This

1872
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: according to the News, Ashley, I'm really interested here to

1873
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: hear what you think. Why did they get back together

1874
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: in Florida? And then why are they ruling everything out? Okay, Well,

1875
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I really don't know, but a source apparently does. This

1876
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: is a source to E News says at this point

1877
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: in time, Claire and Dale aren't getting back together, despite

1878
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: the fact that they did spend that week of February

1879
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: sixteenth together hand in hand walking around the pool in Florida,

1880
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,839
Speaker 1: it says. The source says, they want to be friends,

1881
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: they do want to see each other, but I don't

1882
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: think they have a long term future together. Claire is

1883
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: trying to move on, but she's still in contact with

1884
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: Dale Um. Dale had regretted everything that happened between him

1885
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: and Claire and has been reaching out to her recently.

1886
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: She finally caved and decided to answer his calls and

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Speaker 1: talk it out, which I think led to the Florida trip. Um.

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Speaker 1: But she's been trying to move on and it's been

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Speaker 1: very hard but she did want to like see him

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Speaker 1: in person to have that conversation, So that's why she

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Speaker 1: flew to Florida. So all for all of you Bachelor

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01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: Nation fans out there, there's a little clarity about that relationship. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: that's all the headlines we have for you today. That's

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01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 1: our podcast. It's another season in the books now, one

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Speaker 1: that will remember forever that we're all going to continue

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Speaker 1: to learn and grow from. Conversations have been started. As

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Speaker 1: sam Acho uh said, I Almost Famous podcast. There's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts in the Bachelor world over the

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Speaker 1: last few months, but we hope here at the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous Podcast that will all be better for them, that

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Speaker 1: will learn and grow together. But Ashley, uh, hey, where

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01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: we did it? One more season the books, But we're

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01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna be back starting up. It sounds like pretty soon

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Speaker 1: with another Bachelorte season and talking about everything Bachelor headlines

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01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: from here on now we're gonna bring on some awesome guests,

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Speaker 1: aren't we along the way? We sure are. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is in depth season for us, so we we

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Speaker 1: get very excited. Yeah, it's really fun for us, Bet

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Speaker 1: and I feel very fulfilled by that. Yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: well Ashley. Uh, we'll talk next time. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: next week. Thanks for listening to us. Uh. This has

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Speaker 1: been the almost famous podcast and I've been been signing off.

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Speaker 1: I've been Ashley later, guys. Bye,