1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: This classic is a bit of an historical mystery. Today, 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, we're looking at a strange group of 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: families and individuals, these communities that were in France and 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: Spain for many, many centuries, but they weren't like the 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: rest of their neighbors. For one reason or another, lost 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: the history. They were treated as less than they were, 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: like the untouchables. They were part of a brutal, widely 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: accepted system of discrimination. In this classic episode, we try 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: to figure out why. From ufos to psychic powers and 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: turn back now, or learn the stuff they don't want 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: you to know. H Hello, welcome back to the show. 13 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. We are joined in spirit by 14 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: our super producer, Noel, the Madman Brown, who will be 15 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: returning his UH absence. Will if we make the heart 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: grow fonder? Right, certainly it will for me, and they 17 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: called me Ben. You are you, and that makes this 18 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know again here, closer 19 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: and closer to the end, seen reminds me of that 20 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: yates poem. Matt, what rough beasts our come at last, 21 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: slouches towards Bethlehem. I do remember the second coming, I 22 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: believe it's called. Yeah, I am certainly ready for to 23 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: be over, though I do dread a bit of what 24 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: the next May bring. What will happen in yeah, that's 25 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: the that's the matter of perspective, right. The most frightening 26 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: thing that people can think about when you look at 27 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: the future and turns of events is, uh, what if 28 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: people look back on this is the good old days? Oh, 29 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna say they will definitely. Well, the world 30 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: is big. It depends on where you live, right, and even, 31 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: perhaps more importantly, what your position and a given society 32 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: has been, and that's something we're exploring today. Much of 33 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: human history has been a study in unequal rights, either 34 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: by this constant conflict right, either by groups striving for 35 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: better representation or other groups fighting to maintain a system 36 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: of oppression that benefits them. You know, I'm not a 37 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: big believer in hierarchies. I think they're garbage. I think 38 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: there for the birds, not even the cool birds, like 39 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: the crappy birds, like seagulls. Right, I haven't seen many 40 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: crow hierarchy these maybe there are some, there are, there 41 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: are I'm sure there are Um, but you're absolutely right. 42 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: I I don't like these things, hierarchies in general, and 43 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: I understand why they're necessary for some some people, but, uh, 44 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: philosophically and historically, they're used to oppress the many for 45 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: the benefit of the few. That is what happens with hierarchies, 46 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: whether you're talking about the tribal system in the UK, 47 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: which continues to exist, of course, I guess people feel 48 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: better about it when we called an aristocracy, or whether 49 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: you're talking about continued cultural repression in other countries. Uh, 50 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: it all boils down to the same thing and it's 51 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: a source of, uh, massive conflict. In these conflicts have occurred, 52 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: the cycle of conflict rather, has occurred multiple times. In 53 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: the US, for example, we have these struggle for civil rights. 54 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: That was again a group of people who were benefiting 55 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: from a system of oppression versus a group of people 56 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: who were Uh, who are losing out because that same 57 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: system and the reasoning behind these uh, these oppressive systems 58 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: are based on so many different things. There's so many 59 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: different reasons. I know it sounds like I just picked 60 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: on the United Kingdom and I just picked on the 61 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: United States, but these are just two examples. Like there 62 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: are multiple kinds of oppression. Yeah, you can go to 63 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: gender discrimination, where you're looking at male and female and 64 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: one is treated differently. Over the course of history it's 65 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: largely fallen on the females who have been oppressed in 66 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: this way. But let's not forget women in the United 67 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: States could not vote, couldn't vote for president, couldn't vote 68 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: for anything, just a few decades ago. It hasn't been 69 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: that long. Yeah, right, and as we record this, uh, 70 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: this country and many other countries in the West are 71 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: in the grips of a new kind of gender discrimination 72 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: with people who are Trans Right. So the the idea 73 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: that Um, a person who identifies as female but was 74 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: biologically identify as a male at the time of their birth, 75 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: is that that's becoming a huge legal issue here in 76 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: the US. And then there are other things too. Right, 77 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: there's the untouchable cast of India, and these folks have 78 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: have endured horrific discrimination and the government, of course, has 79 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: taken steps to try to mitigate this situation. But the 80 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: cast system of India is not something that's going to 81 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: be swept away by a convenient law. You know what 82 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean? It's it's too deep set. Then you have 83 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: various systems of slavery, everything from Chattel Slavery, like in 84 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: the United States, for example, back in the day, wage slavery, 85 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Bondage Labor, Mandatory minimums and uh, and prison labor. I 86 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: mean it's a version of it. It's not outright slavery, 87 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: but wage slavery. Yeah, that might have to be its 88 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: own episode. Yeah, yeah, we can talk about that. We 89 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: should definitely have Nolan for that one. Does anybody want 90 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: to write to us and and let us know your 91 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: opinion of wage slavery? Actually, this is a sidebar. This 92 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: is a sidebar. Could I ask what your first job was? 93 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: My first job was working pool side as a server 94 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: at the Piedmont Driving Club Nancy, and then I got 95 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: an internship here. So I've got I had to oh, man, okay, uh, 96 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: without going too deep into my past, usually say that 97 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. My first legal job was at a 98 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: at at a grocery store, and I tried, eventually, I tried, Matt, 99 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: to get fired. I did numerous things. They just wouldn't 100 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 1: fire me because the other people at the grocery store 101 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: were that bad, and so eventually I just stopped going. Man, 102 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: you weren't worried about the stigma of being fired from 103 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: one job. No, I went ahead and told them that 104 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: I was just going to stop showing up because I'm 105 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: getting another job, and I got a different job and 106 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: then just stopped going. That was the only way because 107 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: I had said I'll quit before and they would call 108 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: with a with a follow up thing, but it was 109 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: just very strange. This is surreal situation. You know, I 110 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: feel like you're opening up more than I've heard you 111 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: open up in a while. So I want to keep going, 112 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: but I know we have to continue. I'm setting it 113 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: up because, okay, let's you were a servant, I was 114 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: a grocer. Those are types of occupations, right. I mean 115 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: I was still a servant, so aren't we all? Well, 116 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: most of us. There's also ethnic or so called racial discrimination. 117 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Is when you hear about minorities being being persecuted or 118 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: when you hear about groups that maybe to an outsider, 119 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: seem pretty much identical, sure, right, when you hear about 120 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: these groups having bitter, bitter rivalries. One famous situation in Europe, 121 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: of course, is the Roma, who have met numerous types 122 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: of prejudice and discrimination and stereotyping and have in many 123 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: cases never fully assimilated into the local culture of wherever 124 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, I was gonna say it's a lot 125 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: of that has to do with culture, old differences and 126 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: clashing with whichever power is seen as the norm or 127 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: whichever group is seen as the norm in an area. 128 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: And then there's cultural discrimination. Right. One big example of 129 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: this would be World War Two era Japan's nationalistic superiority 130 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: complex over China and, uh, the puppet state of Banchuria 131 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: that they built. They did unspeakable things. UH, they did 132 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: it because they thought the other people weren't, like, really human. Yeah, 133 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: that's a common theme, that's a common thing. And then 134 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: there's religious discrimination to right. Yes, and for examples of 135 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: this you can look to Catholic persecution of Jewish people's Protestants, 136 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: native peoples and colonized countries, and you can also see 137 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: this in the various forms of discrimination practice between Islamic 138 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: and Jewish cultures. Yeah, yeah. There's another aspect to us, however, 139 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: and this is the strangest thing, ladies and gentlemen, in 140 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: some cases societies have no concrete reasoning behind a discriminatory practice, none. Yeah, 141 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to say that I feel that a lot 142 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: of times there's not that much of a concrete basis 143 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: for a lot of these discriminatory practices, but these in 144 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: particular that were about to look at just feels like why? So? Yeah, 145 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: for instance, the Bruckmann of Japan were historically treated in 146 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: a manner very similar to the Dale or untouchables in India, 147 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: despite the fact that they are not just not just 148 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: visually identical but genetically identical to mainstream Japanese population, and 149 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: they are practicing Buddhists and they are not in almost 150 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: any other way distinguishable from the rest of Japan. We're 151 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: talking about discrimination based on name or neighborhood. But today, 152 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen, yes, there is a point to our 153 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: prief exploration. Today we're looking at another, perhaps lesser known 154 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: example of a similarly mysterious case of persecution. It's a 155 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: group of people known as the CAGO, also capo ago 156 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: gahette or, which stands for Christian right. So who are 157 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: these people? What's going on? Why have most of the 158 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: world's population never ever heard of them? We will tell 159 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: you after a brief word from our sponsor. Welcome back. 160 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: So we're looking at this group called the could go now, 161 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: historical records have proven that for centuries, communities in western 162 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: France and northern Spain practiced brutal, systematic discrimination against this 163 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: group of people. There there was a system that was 164 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: well established and it was oddly uniform throughout much of France. 165 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: All right, because this is unusual because at this time 166 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: people weren't communicating as easily as people communicate today, which 167 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: means that there's a lot of drift or creep in 168 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: local customs. And this was also one of the reasons 169 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: why Haresy was such a big concern for the Catholic Church. 170 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: Let's say there's a church as Gunna, isolated, it's out 171 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: in the Alps or something. Nobody's seen these people for Fifteen, 172 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: twenty years there getting some weird ideas and changing stuff around, 173 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: doing some weird things. Right, so this happened. This happened 174 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: constantly and the that is one of the reasons why 175 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: the persecution of the persecution of Cago in France and 176 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: in that area of Spain is fascinating. Now, of course 177 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: it evolves over time, but it seemed to have a 178 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: very oddly specific system to, you know, to this persecution 179 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: and they could go were Catholic they were. They were 180 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: just as Catholic as their neighbors who were not. Could go, 181 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: but they were only reluctantly loud into the auspices of 182 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: the church. Let's talk about some of the community rules 183 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: applying to these people. Uh, they could not take communion 184 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: the same way as, I guess, the more legitimate people 185 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: of their community. They had to enter and sit in 186 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: separate parts of the church, and they were also buried 187 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: in separate graveyards. And when it came to the church, 188 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: there are several instances of churches that had entrances just 189 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: in the back, you know, smaller doors that appear to 190 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: be that's what they were for. Some of them have 191 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: signs that even have the word could go or one 192 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: of these other names referred to them as it. But 193 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: there were also a few that had strange entrances where 194 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: you had to climb up a ladder in order to 195 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: get into another ladder system inside the church. Fascinating the 196 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: lengths that some of these churches went to to separate 197 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: this group of people from the rest of their flock 198 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: because they were seen somehow as tainted dirty. Yeah, they 199 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: were also not allowed to walk barefoot, which gave rise 200 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: to rumors that their feet were webbed and in some 201 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: places they were required to wear a badge that was 202 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: occasionally in the shape of a goose's foot. Yeah, and 203 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: it was red. Yeah, just a red badge that you 204 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: had to wear. Red Footed it was going to say again. 205 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: Sounds familiar to historical references. It's hurt here. Um. Oh, 206 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: and also, they were only allowed to make purchases in 207 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: town on Mondays. This is according to an eighteen account. Yeah, 208 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: so this already sounds weird, but it goes on. They 209 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: were restricted to certain trades, particularly carpentry. Uh. This led 210 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: to situations in which, uh, Caldgo may end up building 211 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: the very same church that's going to persecute them and 212 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: their family later. Talk about a head trip. Huh, a 213 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: little bit, and we're by the way, one of the 214 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: great resources we got for this was from an author 215 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: named Daniel Hawkins, who wrote paper called cameras that degrade humanity, 216 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: like Cago and discrimination. So we uh, we found some 217 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: other things here. I want to read a small selection 218 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: from this paper. Restrictive legislation concerning could go appeared many 219 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: times after twelve eighty eight, which is when we see 220 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: more detailed municipal records. While details differed, prohibitions typically expressed 221 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: some other concerns. They required that could go were segregated 222 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,479 Speaker 1: in their living quarters, occupations and day to day interactions. 223 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: They were forbidden from marrying. Non could go. They could 224 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: not enter Taverns, hold cabarets, use public fountains, sell food 225 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,359 Speaker 1: or wine, touch food in the market, work with livestock 226 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: or enter a mill. They were not allowed to carry 227 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: arms other than professional tools, and this goes to the 228 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: example we talked about earlier. There was severe and brutal 229 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: punishment for transgressors. So if we go back with our 230 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: time traveling hypothetical French Matt Frederick, which, by the way, 231 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm liking this character. I see him in a beret, 232 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's historically accurate. I don't 233 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: think so, but let's go with it. What about it? 234 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: What about it? CASSIC? Yes, cast all right. So if 235 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: we go back to that time, where where our Oh, Matt, 236 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: what's your French name? Pierre? Yeah, okay, Alright, Pierre Frederick. 237 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: When Pierre Frederick is walking by, he may and sees 238 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: that hand being nailed to the door. He may well 239 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: have not said a word if it was familiar with 240 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: the discrimination against could go, because we know what's happened 241 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: several times. One could go. Merchant was punished for touching 242 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: the main baptismal fought by having his hands severed from 243 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: his arm and nailed to a door. I don't think 244 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: it was the door of the church, but that would 245 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: be that seems like that would be a bad idea. 246 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: Nail a severed arm to the place where everybody can enter, 247 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: just the hand to hand. Sure. Uh. There was another 248 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: account of a man who allegedly h grew food on 249 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: his land and farmed it and he had metal spikes 250 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: pushed through his feet as punishment. That's that's very it's 251 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: very odd, you know, and it's it's disturbing get when 252 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: you consider that these people, although you might have heard 253 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: them described as swarthy at some point. Uh, I also 254 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: read something where they were described as being fair skinned. Yeah, 255 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: there are widely different accounts of how what a Cago 256 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: looks like. Right. Rumors about them were wide ranging, rampant stuff. 257 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: We can just go down the list, right. Oh sure. Yeah, 258 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: they were viewed as heretics, like we said, despite their 259 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: regular attendants to church, despite being Catholics, they were viewed 260 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: as not being Catholic. Yes, they were accused of being lepers, 261 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: which will get into. Uh, there was there were rumors 262 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: about them holding secret meetings for nefarious, unknown purposes. Yeah, again, 263 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: we see this throughout history. Like, what are they meeting 264 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: in secret about? Are they actually meeting in secret, Dude, 265 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: or are you? Are you just a little paranoid? Anyway, 266 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: they're probably saying, hey, does everybody have their hands? Yeah, 267 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: how what are strategies we can use to not be 268 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: as persecuted? Yeah, we're pro hand h yeah, they're also 269 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: accused of being descendants of Ghaazi. I don't know if 270 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: I'm saying that correctly, but this was the wicked servant 271 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: of the Prophet Elisha, and, you know, being the children 272 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: of this person, it was believed that they were all 273 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: cursed with the curse that was placed on Ghazzi. That's 274 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: that's similar to the old, latter day saint policy of 275 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: discrimination against against darker skinned people, right. Uh. Yeah, Ghazzi 276 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: is a figure found in the book of Kings. He 277 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: was in a position of power, but he was corrupt. 278 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: Uh rugard kipling wrote a poem about him, but I 279 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what it was. Uh Yeah, so this something. 280 00:19:53,240 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: This was something that was common in this era of Christianity, 281 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: which was to find a biblical basis, however tenuous, to 282 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: rationalize mistreatment of an individual. So it's a long book. 283 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: You read closely enough and think creatively enough, you're bound 284 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: to find something, and I want to note here. So 285 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: his big sin was avaraice, right, he was stealing stuff, 286 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: he was racking up change in his master's names, tricking people. Yeah, yeah, 287 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: and uh, he was guilty of duplicity and dishonesty. So Elisha, 288 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: the Prophet denounced him and passed upon him the terrible doom, 289 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: and this is a quote from kings, that leprosy of 290 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: namin would cleave to him and his descendants forever. Yep, 291 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: so that's where you pull some you know someone in 292 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: the church believing that to be true and hey, here's 293 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: someone I can apply that too. But but this curse 294 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: came with at least some allegations of dark powers, isn't 295 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah, there are. There are allegations that they 296 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: were sorcerers. It was believed that they could be witch cattle, 297 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: which sounds a little more fun than it probably should 298 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: to me. It sounds like the you know, of course, 299 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: these are largely agricultural communities, but right now it sounds 300 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: like one of the most useless superpowers ever. Whether you're 301 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: whether you're a villain or a hero, you're pretty much restricted. 302 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: You have to live around livestock for it to even matter. Yeah, 303 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: the cattle witcher is not going to be a threat 304 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: in New York City. Gosh, that's a great character, though. 305 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: The cattle which the cattle witcher on the next episode 306 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: of the cattle witcher. Yes, it was also believed that 307 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: perhaps they had the power of the evil eye, where 308 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: if they stared at your child long enough, or anyone really, 309 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: they can cause terrible things to happen to them. They 310 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: get curse with a glance. Yeah, uh, and this this 311 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: ties into some of the more wide ranging accusations of 312 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: paranormal ability that occur with this sort of persecution. You'll 313 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: also hear stuff about being able to poison wells or 314 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: being able to you know, when they're talking about bewitching cattle, 315 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: they're talking about the cattle falling ill or perhaps miscarrying 316 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: during birth and stuff like that. Well, yeah, that's why 317 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to touch food. It was it was 318 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: believed that any food that they touched, no matter at 319 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: what stage. Is why you can't farm. It will rot immediately, 320 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: will be soiled immediately. You cannot eat or, you know, 321 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: do anything with edible objects that are touched by these 322 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: could go. That's the belief cattle witchers. I'm stuck on 323 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: it out cattle witchers. Uh Yeah, so you also find 324 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: that in the real estate, right? You find evidence of 325 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: this belief in the real estate. Oh yeah, with these powers. 326 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: That's why a lot of times you would see there 327 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: their residences, the areas where they lived had to be 328 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: separated by somebody of water, a stream of water, just 329 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: enough to where those mystical powers can't carry over because 330 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: their beliefs about how magic operates. Today you're not going 331 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: to hear much about the COULDGO fit. Families that discover 332 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: this heritage in the modern day often will hide it 333 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: in fear of continuing low level discrimination against their spouses 334 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: or their children. So very, very, very, very very few 335 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: come forward in the modern day. And the population itself 336 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: was always relatively small in comparison to, you know, the 337 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: rest of France and Spain. Uh, now it seems set 338 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: to fade into nothingness, but there's still so many unanswered questions, Matt. 339 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: Who are these people? Why did they become the repressed 340 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: class and maybe most importantly, where did they come from? 341 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: These are all questions we're going to look at right 342 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. 343 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: No one really knows. No one knows for certain where 344 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: they could go originate. Yeah, but there's some theories. There 345 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: are many, many, many, many, many theories, but they are 346 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: of a varying plausibility and they are all somewhat fascinating. 347 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: I would say. For instance, were they the descendants of 348 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: Moorish soldiers who, for instance, during the Muslim conquest of 349 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: Spain or areas of Spain, uh simply migrated up at 350 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: out in de France? It's a possibility. Did they begin 351 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: as a guild of skilled medieval woodworkers, with their persecution 352 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: rising as a form of commercial rivalry that eventually got 353 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: solidified into tradition? So people didn't know why these dudes 354 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: were dirty, but they knew that their parents thought that. 355 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: What if they were Moorish Medieval woodworkers? And so this. Yeah, 356 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: this ties back into the question that I earlier asked You, Matt, 357 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: about your first occupation because the strange thing is that 358 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: if we lived in a different society or we lived 359 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: in a even a different time period, we would overwhelmingly 360 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: be likely to continue the work that our parents did, 361 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: as even a guild or caste or something. So because 362 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: we would be apprentices, hopefully, if we were lucky, talented. 363 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: So if your father is a cobbler, you're a cobbler. 364 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: If your father is uh yeah, then you're an accountant. 365 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: If your father is a military officer, you follow the 366 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: same thing. If your father is a cattle witcher, Um, 367 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: then you are also. I'm sorry, you're also a cattle witcher. 368 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: I was gonna let it go. I wouldna let it go. 369 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: I'm not in any way condoning the bewitchment of livestock, 370 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: of cattle. They've got it tough enough. However, I am 371 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: which all the cattle that you possibly can and then 372 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: tell me how you did it. Right to US conspiracy 373 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: and how stuff works, DOT com. Okay, all right, yes, yes, please, 374 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: let not know the source of your dark movine related powers. 375 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: So the thing that we see here that's strange is 376 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 1: that when people had less social mobility, when your parents 377 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: or your grandparents occupations would largely determine your own occupation. 378 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: We also see a society where certain occupations are considered 379 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: more valuable than others, or maybe a better way to 380 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: say it as certain occupations are seen as much less valuable. 381 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: For instance, executioners had some of the same laws against 382 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: their behavior as did could go in, and this was 383 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: in Germany. Perhaps. An executioner can't go to the bar, 384 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: can't touch food or drink around people, because the executioner, 385 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: like his father before him, makes a living by killing 386 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: people and that's seen, as you know, morally reprehensible but 387 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: necessary for society. And we see this in some other cultures, 388 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: for instance working with hides or disposing of human waste, 389 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: like the untouchables, right, that would be that would be 390 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: a lower cast job. So and a lot of it 391 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: seems to arise from almost it's a it's a combination 392 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: of lack of scientific understanding of how some of it works, 393 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: a lack of technology for cleaning, like and being able 394 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: to cleanse oneself after working a job such as killing 395 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: people or, you know, taking the hides off of animals. 396 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: You know this perception of unclean. I mean it's rife 397 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: with disease and for germ theory, and it's true that 398 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: it is like it actually is, so that not having 399 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: the technology also creates that system where somebody in the 400 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: historical record experienced, you know, drinking with the executioner who 401 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: happened to kill somebody who had a terrible disease, and boom, 402 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: next thing you know, yeah, I mean, well, no, but 403 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: I can. I mean, that's just how it happened. It's 404 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: just the only way that it happens, right, and it's 405 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: something that people accept. And also, of course, I'm just 406 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: saying Couru because I like the word. The only way 407 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: that somebody can get Kuru is by consuming uh, brains, brains, yeah, 408 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: which will give you those prions, Um, which are bad news. Uh. 409 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of bad news, Matty, I just realized something. If 410 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: your Avatar in the Middle Ages, there in the Pierre 411 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: in the thirtreds, right, uh, if if he's wearing a Cassock, 412 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: it makes your situation even worse because you're probably the 413 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: priest or, a priest. Okay, people have a lot to 414 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: get ready for. There's a mass later. Yeah, yeah, you 415 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: don't want him to get your own. You maybe even 416 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: want to help the guy, but you're like, I'm not 417 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: getting that filthy CAGO blood on my Cassock to use 418 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: my shoe to open the door. Just shoot, opened the 419 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: door quick, everyone, check the cattle. Uh. So there's this 420 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: other idea that they were descendants of earlier, uh cultural 421 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: groups and that this somehow made them not worthy of 422 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: trust or made them tainted, made them somehow other, made 423 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: them threatening to a degree. And one would be that 424 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: that they were descendants of the goths. The could go 425 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: first appear in records as early as the tenth century, 426 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: but they became more prominent from the century on and 427 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: they were in both sides of the Western Pyrenees. Uh. 428 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: They lived in these small, poor, segregated communities on the 429 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: periphery of these villages and towns. So they've been around 430 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: for so long that it's easily, easily understandable that someone 431 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: would rationalize persecuting them by saying, well, you know, you 432 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: remember those other guys from centuries ago? Yeah, it's them, 433 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: don't trust them. And there are a couple other theories 434 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: about groups that came through France and Spain as conquerors 435 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: at one point or another, like the Saracens. Like there 436 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: again remnants who perhaps have um switched over to Catholicism 437 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: and now they continue to live in the area, their 438 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: families do, and you know they're bad news just because 439 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: of that. Again, these are all possibilities. And maybe then 440 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,239 Speaker 1: it's a range of these, like it's a combination of 441 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: all of these things, of just people that look other. Yeah, yeah, 442 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: possibly like the we'll get to the the conspiratorial angle 443 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: of this. But they're more than you might think because 444 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: obviously we're looking at a mainstream community that conspired to 445 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: repress a very small minority, uh, which is odd because 446 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: I think in the sixteen hundreds the could go, or 447 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: maybe two percent of the population. So never, never, in 448 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: large numbers. Um, although I did really remember some some 449 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: other stuff I wanted to mention. I don't know if 450 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: you found this in your research. Some more specificity about 451 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: could go. So, like you and I said, they were 452 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 1: described as fair skinned by some, as Swarthy by others, 453 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: dark skinned, dark skinned, lights in the ear lobes. That's 454 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: the thing. That's why I wanted to mention they supposedly 455 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: lacked ear lobes and were Miss Magicians, sorcerers, had an infectious, 456 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 1: terrible odor. They're always accused of smelling bad and they 457 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: gave off great heat. Here's a quote. When the south 458 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: wind blew their lips, jugular glands and the duck foot 459 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: mark under their left armpit all swelled. What. Yeah, so, uh, 460 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: they okay. So they are considered to be smelly, to 461 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: have these strange physical ailments, and that goes to one 462 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: of their biggest rational one of the biggest rationalizations for 463 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: persecuting these people, which was that they are lepers and Cretans. 464 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: So I'm familiar with lepers. That would be, uh, several. 465 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: I know that encompasses several different diseases of the time, 466 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: but a lot of it has to do with infectious 467 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: disease that could be transmitted easily if interacting with this person. Right, 468 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: and that would make sense. UH, make sure these people 469 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: aren't interacting with the everyday public as to not kill 470 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: everyone in the village. Right. I mean that that makes sense. Yeah. So, 471 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: one of the prevailing beliefs among historians about the could 472 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: Goo is that leprosy was the essence of this phenomenon. 473 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: People used to think that leprosy was inherited right, was 474 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: a poison of the generations and the blood h however, 475 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: even after people knew that leprosy was not a purely 476 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: inherited trait, you know, that could communicate between unrelated people. Uh. 477 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: Some authors considered the could go to be a special 478 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: case of hereditary lepers, uh, that the disease was just 479 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: kind of concentrated in them. However, another writer said that 480 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: maybe what happens, maybe the birth of the could go, 481 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: when the records were appearing in the tenth centuries, started 482 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: when people who were already infected h something and considered lepers, 483 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: banded together on the periphery of a town solidarity and 484 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: to yeah, to make their own make their own village, 485 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: and that later, you know, their descendants were affected by 486 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: the stigma of the disease, even though they didn't carry it. 487 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: They just came from that crappy home situation. So the 488 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: weird thing is, though, that aside from, you know, these 489 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: vestigial traits and these vestigial rules of, you know, don't 490 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: touch stuff with your hands, don't go through the same door, 491 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: et Cetera. Uh, people seem to interact, they seemed to 492 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: exist in the community. You know, if they were doing woodworking, 493 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: you would still take a table from the person. Somehow, somehow, 494 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: the wood was fine, somehow the wood was fine, yeah, all. 495 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: So we know that groups of could go were proven 496 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: not to have leprosy in six after decades of dispute, 497 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: people complained of discrimination, could go complain this discrimination to 498 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: parliament and they gave them a thorough medical examination. They 499 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: examined twenty two people, all carpenters or joiners, and they 500 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,959 Speaker 1: exams at this time. We're not we're not the turn 501 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: your head and cough inconveniences of the modern age. These 502 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 1: people had their bodies palpated, their arms were bled. Uh. 503 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: They applied heated cups to them to check their circulation 504 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: and the doctors came back with the results and they said, well, 505 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: these are just the ordinary people. Uh there, fine, they're 506 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: in the quotas, there in all health in their body, 507 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: exempt from all contagious maladies and without any disposition to 508 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: those maladies. Were quiring them to be separated from the 509 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: company of other healthy people. So they blew it out 510 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: of the the water. Yeah, they didn't find any, quote, peculiar diseases, 511 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: but leprosy at the time was not considered purely a 512 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: specific physical ailment. In earlier years it was more of 513 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: a umbrella or catch all description for possibly a spiritual 514 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: things your your body could be fine, but you might 515 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: be morally or spiritually lepross. That's why they could go. 516 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: We're also occasionally called white lepers, which is just a 517 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: very UN appealing name that. Well, could it simply be 518 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: that they were discriminated against because they were poor? We 519 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: know that the state of the poor in France and 520 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: Spain at the time was the social position was very, 521 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: very different. It was considered an affront to have to 522 00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: see the poor. Yeah, but then there are accounts, at 523 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: least from that reference that I gave, where the poor people, 524 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: the peasants, are the ones who are prosecuting. They're the 525 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: most opposed. So that's the chicken and egg thing. was 526 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: their poverty results of this discrimination, or was the discrimination 527 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: result of the poverty? I tend to think the former, 528 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: but you're right, and we see this in modern societies 529 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: today too. If you want people to be satisfied with 530 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: their position in an unfair hierarchy, all you have to 531 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: do is put at least one more wrong on the 532 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: ladder below them. Give them someone to look down on 533 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: and they will stop looking up to wonder what's happening 534 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: at the top. That is unfortunate and too true. Too True. Uh, 535 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: it seems that later the rise of racially based accusations 536 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: like Oh, these swore the moorish soldiers or whatever, that 537 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: they came about after the decline of leprosy, after the 538 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 1: climb physical threat from disease, meaning that the racism happened 539 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: afterwards to rationalize the pre existing prejudice. You know, that's 540 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: so crazy. Yeah, it's so disturbing. If it's not one thing, 541 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: it's another. Well, what I've found? What I found is 542 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: that the way a lot of these with these rumors 543 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: that we discussed earlier and all these things that that 544 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: could go or purportedly to be able to do and 545 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: smell like and all these things, a lot of it 546 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: was handed down through songs that were the they called 547 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: them party songs that would be spread in probably a 548 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: tavern where it's the again, the peasants all drinking together, 549 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: and this makes so much sense to me now, been 550 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: drinking too together, singing about the rung of the ladder 551 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: that's below them, uh, to make themselves feel better. I 552 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: can totally see that now, as Pierre in the tavern. UH, wow, this, 553 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: that is really disturbing. Yeah, AH, no, kidding. And here's 554 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: here's another thing. Next question. Right, we were probably never 555 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: going to have an answer about where, where this group 556 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: of people came from, where they actually came from and 557 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: why they were originally persecuted. We just have those best 558 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: guesses and sadly we are probably not going to find out, 559 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: because I know there's so many people in the audience 560 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: now who are probably yelling at the speaker. DNA, you guys, 561 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: just do the DNA tests. Fantastic point. If there were 562 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: someone to do a DNA test on. You can read. 563 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: Probably the most recent thing you can read about this 564 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: disappearing group of people is an article in the independent 565 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: from about two thousand and eight where one one woman 566 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: from the French Pyrenees, Marie Pierre Uh MINET Bezet, as 567 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: talking about her ancestry. At the time she was a 568 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: forty something mother of three and she was being billed 569 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: as the last living Cago, or at least the last 570 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: the last one who will admit to being CAGO. And 571 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: they say it's a bad thing. She said, it's still 572 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: a bad thing in the mountains in two eight uh 573 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: the French are ashamed of what they did. They could go. 574 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: Are Ashamed of what they were and no one will 575 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 1: confess that there could go descent. So this means that, ah, 576 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: this means that this entire concept, whatever was based on, 577 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,959 Speaker 1: is disappearing, because now the conspiracy has shifted. It went 578 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 1: from mainstream French communities conspiring to essentially make life Hell 579 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: and keep these people at the bottom of the social 580 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: barrel to a conspiracy by those people's descendants, by the 581 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: could go descendants, to escape and erase their past, just 582 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 1: like that guy in Gadaga played by Ethan Hawk. Great movie. 583 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: Thank you, they thank you. Thank you. To go back 584 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: to to go back to Um revie Pierre really fast. 585 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: At the very end of that article, she they're asking 586 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: about her children, because she has several children, and the 587 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: big thing she says, and she's like, no, I can't 588 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: show you pictures of my children because of the stigma 589 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: it remains so much in this area today. You can't, 590 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: you can't even know my children. Look at just in case. 591 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: And she also says that could go. She's one of 592 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: the people who says that could go, or described as 593 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: swarthy are as, darker skin, postiferous. Yes, they called the 594 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: postiferous people, which has an unfortunate ring to it, and 595 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: with this we with this we end our narrative of 596 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: the could go this the shifting social conspiracy, first of 597 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: a group, of a mainstream group too, essentially enslave, socially 598 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: bind a group, and then that group's collective effort to 599 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 1: end itself, very successful effort to do so. But these 600 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: are not the only vanishing people in the world. We 601 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: know that there are several other examples right the Aromanians 602 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 1: and the Russians, who are both mentioned in the article 603 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: in the Independent. Uh. The aromanians the day back to 604 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: Roman colonization. They're spread across the southern Balkans, but they're 605 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 1: believed to be almost extinct. or their cultural identity and 606 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: evidence of their culture lives on with some Grecian festivals. 607 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: And then the Russians are they're around one point two 608 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: million expected to or estimated to live in Europe. Over 609 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: half of them or in the Ukraine. They're not recognized 610 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: by the Ukraine because of the Communist regime of the 611 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 1: fifties and that's the time their church was also eradicated. 612 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: But but they're responsible for a lot of those beautiful 613 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: wooden churches that you can see in the area. One 614 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: of the points here is that our species doesn't, you know, 615 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: just lose memories, doesn't just lose cities, which we've covered, 616 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: doesn't just lose civilizations, it also loses entire cultures, entire 617 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: groups of people who who are alike by blood, who 618 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: are also alike by language and by custom. You know, 619 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: then one of the other things we lose our entire 620 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: animal species. I know that's another podcast, but yeah, that's 621 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 1: another podcast to uh. And it's true, unfortunately, but it 622 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: is also true that now, in the modern age, we 623 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: have the ability to preserve some of this stuff and 624 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: we have the ability, thanks to the rise of easily 625 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: affordable recording technology, two preserve some piece of the past, 626 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: some knowledge, some essence of the days and the people 627 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: that came before. And that's why I would suggest, this 628 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: is just my opinion, but would suggest to all of 629 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,240 Speaker 1: you out there listening to this, whether in Twenties Sixteen 630 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: or twenty one, Oh six, don't as a take too. 631 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: If you have older family members or if you have 632 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: someone older in your community and you think that that 633 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: community is not long for this world, because it happens 634 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: every civilization rises and falls, you can easily take a 635 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: second to just interview them and record their answers and 636 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,240 Speaker 1: it's something that you will like and and your kids 637 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: will like and on and on, on and on, and 638 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: nobody has to be a cattle witcher. So, with that 639 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: being said, before we head out today, it's time for 640 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:39,919 Speaker 1: ours shut at corners. We have a single shout out 641 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: to give today. It is from redacted. That's what I'm 642 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: gonna call that, uh, and here it goes. I'm a 643 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: military psychiatrist currently in residency training. So when you ask 644 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: for stories from people who use mind altering drugs in 645 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,720 Speaker 1: the military, well, it's kind of my thing. Regarding drugs 646 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: in general, all active duty personnel get randomly drug tested 647 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: frequently and unless you have very good medical reason to 648 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 1: be on a drug, you're likely going to be dishonorably discharged. Yeah, 649 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: we're going to continue reading. Just some excerpts from redacted's email, uh, 650 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 1: which is fantastic, by the way. He says, or she says, 651 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 1: regarding uppers. Yes, some are still used, but to a 652 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: substantially lesser degree than you might suspect. Uh. Provigil, which 653 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: is the brand name for modafinil, is a non emphetamine 654 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: stimulant vastly preferred over amphetamine derivatives. We still don't know 655 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: exactly how it works, but it seems to simulate Alpha 656 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: brain wave activity while decreasing delta and data waves, effectively 657 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: simulating wakefulness. Regarding amphetamines, while a D H D is 658 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: still probably underdiagnosed, chances are if you've made it through 659 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,800 Speaker 1: basic training you don't need a D H D meads. Personally, 660 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: I hate them. I've seen several sailors and marines get 661 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: kicked out of the service after getting caught using them 662 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: to try and boost their performance. I've also seen several 663 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: service members get tipped over into a frank psychosis that 664 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: appears to have been triggered by amphetamine overdoses. It's scary, 665 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: it's dangerous and I keep my sailors as far away 666 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 1: from the stuff as possible. And about battlefield medications. All 667 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: sorts of really crazy stuff goes down a firefight. Sometimes 668 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: you cannot afford to lose a riflemen, no matter what 669 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: the cause. We have combinations of common medicines that can 670 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: keep a trigger puller in the fight for longer than 671 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: nature would allow, but it's last ditch kind of move 672 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: and deeply frowned upon by almost all medical professionals. That 673 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,919 Speaker 1: is fascinating that that one in particular. He talks about 674 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: new tropics, which may be something that you heard from 675 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: the Joe Rogan podcast or somewhere else. That's how I 676 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: heard about them, and the person writting this email says 677 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: I have personally cared for patients that have had substantially 678 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,400 Speaker 1: catastrophic reactions from trying to get a quote, Bradley Cooper 679 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: in limit US unquote state, and these people have crashed 680 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: and burned on the way there. I strongly advise the 681 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,479 Speaker 1: patients avoid this type of supplicant, Supplement or medication. So 682 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: finishes up talking about withdrawal. said, in the vast majority 683 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,240 Speaker 1: of cases morphine withdrawal cannot kill you. They say it's awful, 684 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: it's painful, squatesque, but unlikely to be life threatening. Nowhere. 685 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: Nearest dangerous is opiate overdose, and so it says. Hope 686 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: that helps. If you have any other questions about medicine, psychiatry, 687 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,240 Speaker 1: the military, particularly military medicine, I'd be happy to share 688 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,359 Speaker 1: what I can. Thanks so much for writing in redacted. 689 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: We are and that's the end of this classic episode. 690 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts or questions about this episode, 691 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: you can get into contact with us in a number 692 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,319 Speaker 1: of different ways. One of the best is to give 693 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: us a call. Our number is one eight three three 694 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: STD W Y T K. 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