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Speaker 3: So there it is, and we have Cowboys, legend and
Speaker 3: star of hanging with the boys. Nathaniel Newton, Welcome to
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Speaker 6: Nate, Hey, what's a passion? I love you, baby, you
Speaker 6: broke that down real sweet Nate. Y'all know who I am.
Speaker 7: Baby.
Speaker 6: I fell in for a lot of people doing training camp.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed. This is my like forty fifth year of
Speaker 6: ben in some forty first year being in somebody's training camp.
Speaker 7: I'm loving it.
Speaker 3: Congratulations, that's amazing. And Shosta hanging with the boys. I
Speaker 3: know you're on that show. I know it's a good show.
Speaker 3: What's the whole name? I forget his name?
Speaker 8: Sharon baby baby him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, boys were here, let's talk about There's so much
Speaker 3: to talk about. Practice hasn't even started yet. We haven't
Speaker 3: had a press conference yet. So what are we doing?
Speaker 3: How are you guys feeling? It doesn't feel good to
Speaker 3: be back here in Oxnard, California?
Speaker 7: Oh great?
Speaker 6: I mean you say I'm in a T shirt basically, man,
Speaker 6: a Cowboys T shirt. Well there's what sixty sixty nine? Yeah, yeh,
Speaker 6: I'm feeling good. I just want to This is when
Speaker 6: they had told me, when Chris Bean told me, hey, man,
Speaker 6: you're gonna be on a different show. I'm like, Patrick's
Speaker 6: is Patrick gonna be on that? He said, Yeah, I said,
Speaker 6: put me on that show. Unfortunately, I hooked up with
Speaker 6: your baby, Josh. I love you, hey, and tell Josh
Speaker 6: he wasting food at hand camp, So stop doing that.
Speaker 3: Look at me, there's not possible. That's not possible.
Speaker 1: There's no So we're jumping off already. We're getting right.
Speaker 3: No, we're getting right too.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Nate Newton accuses me of wasting food by the looks
Speaker 3: of me. By the looks of me, that is virtually impossible.
Speaker 3: So I'm calling guys.
Speaker 5: These guys I number one, We're gonna have some fun
Speaker 5: first and foremost. Second of all, I couldn't be more excited.
Speaker 5: I mean, like you said, pressure football today, Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: football today.
Speaker 3: Football is back.
Speaker 5: Football is back for all of the pressure that the
Speaker 5: Cowboys are under right now, ladies and gentlemen, and make
Speaker 5: no mistake about it, they are under a monumental amount
Speaker 5: of pressure to get things done, starting effective today when
Speaker 5: the first practice gets underway. But nonetheless, whether you're you're
Speaker 5: worried or not worried, optimistic, pessimistic, the fact is we
Speaker 5: can all agree that football is back, and there's nothing
Speaker 5: more exciting than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So practice has started, so we still
Speaker 3: have a lot of the lingering news from before camp
Speaker 3: started kind of facing us right now, Ceedee Lamb, quote
Speaker 3: unquote holdout possibly, how do we feel about him not
Speaker 3: being heered? Maybe he just missed a flight, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe he's maybe he's driving in like Nate, you know,
Speaker 3: like maybe it's taken a little bit. How do we
Speaker 3: feel about Ceedee Lamb at this point?
Speaker 5: Well, first list, let's talk transactional really quickly. So this morning,
Speaker 5: Trevon Diggs was officially placed on the pup, the Physically
Speaker 5: unable to perform list as he continues to come back
Speaker 5: from his torn acl But I'm told that it shouldn't
Speaker 5: be a long stay for him there, so expect him
Speaker 5: in practice any day now. But he is gonna be
Speaker 5: the one starting there. Great news is that no one
Speaker 5: else is so Demarveyon novas shown, John Stevens Junior, Luke Schoonmaker,
Speaker 5: Mazi Smith as well as David Dirton.
Speaker 1: They're all cleared a full goal.
Speaker 5: They're gonna start today and not a couple hours from now,
Speaker 5: they will be on the practice field behind us getting
Speaker 5: things going. Ceedee Lamb. Obviously, that's the headline. He remains
Speaker 5: in a holdout pattern hasn't reported just yet. He and
Speaker 5: the Cowboys are still negotiating his contract. I'm told that
Speaker 5: he's back in South Texas. He's staying ready, he's still working.
Speaker 5: And for those that have been wondering, if you've not
Speaker 5: heard it from Dak when we communicated it to you,
Speaker 5: if you've not heard it from some of those other guys, ceedee.
Speaker 5: Lamb has been preparing the whole time, right, so he's
Speaker 5: ready to hit the ground running whenever that contract situation
Speaker 5: gets going.
Speaker 1: But until it does, guys.
Speaker 5: Jalen Tobert, Jalen Brooks, Yes, Jalen Cropper, all the Jalens,
Speaker 5: Jalen Jalen, Jalen Cavante Turpin. Right, these young guys, Ryan
Speaker 5: Flora or the rookie seventh sixth round pick, He's going
Speaker 5: to get some reps as well.
Speaker 1: They need to take advantage of this opportunity.
Speaker 7: CD.
Speaker 6: Take your time, do what you have to do, you know,
Speaker 6: stay in touch with your agent, continue to work, do
Speaker 6: your think as an ex player, I understand. I have
Speaker 6: no comment for that. His work speaks for itself. And
Speaker 6: he's still young enough to receive the type of money
Speaker 6: that he's talking about. If he was an older guy,
Speaker 6: maybe like saying, ah, but he's still a young stud
Speaker 6: making it happen in Patrick c. You you mentioned a
Speaker 6: lot of young guys that need to step up to
Speaker 6: the plate and U and show Dak that he can
Speaker 6: trust you like he can trust the CD Lamb.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Dak, I mean that contract hasn't been
Speaker 3: sorted out yet. Do we think the contracts for Dak,
Speaker 3: Micah ced are those on pause at the moment? Granted
Speaker 3: we just talked about CD.
Speaker 5: I feel like the only one of those big three
Speaker 5: that's on pause right now is Michael. And I feel
Speaker 5: that that's because Michael has already come out he's willing
Speaker 5: to pause his And he said this months and months
Speaker 5: ago when the headline became Dak's contract, ceed Lambs contract,
Speaker 5: Michael's contract. Michael came out and basically said, listen, it's
Speaker 5: time to pay CD Lamb. It's time to you know,
Speaker 5: make sure Dak gets taken care of. And he said,
Speaker 5: I'll worry about mine in twenty twenty five when the
Speaker 5: time comes. So right now, the only two that the
Speaker 5: cowboys are juggling is negotiations with Dak, in negotiations with CD.
Speaker 5: So that does make it easier for them knowing that
Speaker 5: their generational pass rusher is basically saying, take care of
Speaker 5: those other two guys we're talking twenty five.
Speaker 3: That shows a level of maturity, that shows leadership as well,
Speaker 3: a lot of question marks about that since the end
Speaker 3: of the season, Nate, how do we feel about his
Speaker 3: kind of leadership by making that decision to kind of
Speaker 3: pause his contract negotiations at this time?
Speaker 6: You know, for certain guys, I won't I want them
Speaker 6: to show it on the field. I don't care what
Speaker 6: a lot of these players say because a lot of
Speaker 6: time it doesn't line up with what you're doing on
Speaker 6: the field. And so I'm not I'm not worried about
Speaker 6: Parsons at this time. And great thing that he's taking
Speaker 6: that pause and you know, looking out for the other guys.
Speaker 7: I like that.
Speaker 6: But what what I need for us for us to
Speaker 6: get this thing situated with Dak. We have to get
Speaker 6: this situated because he is the guy that will allow
Speaker 6: other guys to get paid.
Speaker 7: I mean, what is his cap hit this year.
Speaker 1: Patrick oh Man, It's about sixty million.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he is either cap enhancer, cap stopper, So
Speaker 6: we whatever they need to do, let the fans know,
Speaker 6: and more importantly, let let let the teammates know where
Speaker 6: you staying with Dak, because they're gonna follow the ownership's lead.
Speaker 6: If Dak is the guy we're paying, we take care
Speaker 6: of him. We stretch this thing out as far as
Speaker 6: we can to make sure the money is in place,
Speaker 6: and that way.
Speaker 7: You can go out and get other guys.
Speaker 6: You know, you know, what's your situation to be with
Speaker 6: running back as soon as we get Dak signed, if
Speaker 6: they choose to do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And when it comes to salary cap management, what
Speaker 5: a lot of people are failing to understand is getting
Speaker 5: Dak's deal done will immediately depending on how its structured,
Speaker 5: but it will immediately free up tens of millions of
Speaker 5: dollars towards this year's salary cap. And then, of course
Speaker 5: some of that is able to roll over to next year.
Speaker 5: So depending on how this year goes or doesn't go,
Speaker 5: you're probably really gonna need to go quote unquote all
Speaker 5: in and freeency next year. You're gonna need that cap space.
Speaker 5: And but what you don't want to do is send
Speaker 5: yourself back to you know, the post Troy Akman years, ye, right,
Speaker 5: and as Big Nate can speak on it those for
Speaker 5: those that didn't live that that was not a fun situation, right,
Speaker 5: You're talking about the McGee's of the world and the
Speaker 5: Quincy Carters of the world.
Speaker 1: And you know, as much as.
Speaker 5: I love my bulldog, sorry Quincy, but eh well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: hurt my feelings here. So if you don't want to
Speaker 5: go back to the post Troy Akman days and you
Speaker 5: kind of you got gifted Tony Romo. So, regardless of
Speaker 5: how people feel about Tony Romo, in fact was Tony
Speaker 5: Romo fell in the Cowboys lap as an undrafted guy
Speaker 5: who ended up playing and wildly outplaying his undrafted status
Speaker 5: to the point where he was being looked upon and
Speaker 5: criticized like he was a first overall pick. Right, And
Speaker 5: then you fall backwards into another franchise quarterback in Dak Prescott,
Speaker 5: a compensatory fourth round pick right at the back end
Speaker 5: of Tony Romo's career.
Speaker 7: His brain.
Speaker 3: Going to move up for those peace, So.
Speaker 5: That type of luck is not going to continue to happen.
Speaker 5: You have your franchise quarterback pay him. He was a
Speaker 5: runner up for League MVP last year, he's a first
Speaker 5: he's an All Pro from last year, led the number
Speaker 5: one offense. Again, that's the kind of guy you lock up.
Speaker 3: What about question marks surrounding Dak? Though we saw the
Speaker 3: collapse of the overall team, right, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: put that on on Dak, of course, but getting to
Speaker 3: the next step, getting to the next level, getting to
Speaker 3: an NFC championship, I think that's kind of the lingering
Speaker 3: question mark for the entire season. Can we get there?
Speaker 3: No matter what we do for the rest of the season,
Speaker 3: it is in that moment, do you Dak Prescott in
Speaker 3: an NFC championship game?
Speaker 6: You know, you know, we were all emotional after that game.
Speaker 6: We saw Dak was not up to par what he
Speaker 6: showed us during the regular season. Our defense was out
Speaker 6: of killed her once again and the biggest moments.
Speaker 7: So it was a team effort.
Speaker 6: But what hurts is your quarterback cannot be a part
Speaker 6: of that failure.
Speaker 7: And he was a part of that loss. So we
Speaker 7: have to factor that in.
Speaker 6: But once you get the emotions out of it and
Speaker 6: you start saying, okay, where does Dak rank in the
Speaker 6: league and he's still you know, people talking about the
Speaker 6: top ten. No, sir, he's probably about the top seven,
Speaker 6: top top six, because when you go to talking about wins,
Speaker 6: Patrick c what was his wins top year?
Speaker 7: Yeah, twelve, twelve and twelve. Yeah, so you.
Speaker 6: Can't say all of a sudden, hey, Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 6: the reason that was changed because you got understand his
Speaker 6: office of coordinator chain again.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Dak has made.
Speaker 6: Some super adjustments as a quarterback. It took him a
Speaker 6: minute to connect up with CD, but once he did,
Speaker 6: he did what he had to do. And so even
Speaker 6: I was emotional, like, man, do we pay dad? Do
Speaker 6: we keep that?
Speaker 7: You know what?
Speaker 6: Asks Minnesota how they feel they had to go out
Speaker 6: and get a first round pick.
Speaker 7: Even soothe the pain.
Speaker 6: And even though you may go that land and think
Speaker 6: you got it going on, they still had to get
Speaker 6: a first round pick.
Speaker 7: So you better, you better check yourself and ask yourself.
Speaker 3: Put some respect on his name.
Speaker 1: Is that that's the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 5: If it's easy to find a franchise quarterback even the
Speaker 5: top the first round, ask him if that's the case,
Speaker 5: because their last one prior to this year is now
Speaker 5: playing with the Pittsburgh Steelers and trying to fight against
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson for some reps.
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind as well.
Speaker 5: But when you talk about Dak Prescott, you have to
Speaker 5: talk about the good and the bads.
Speaker 7: So you justified.
Speaker 5: You know, when it comes to me, it's all science,
Speaker 5: it's no feelings. Let's talk right down the middle. So
Speaker 5: for as much as I believe that Cowboys need to
Speaker 5: lock up Dak Prescott for another several years, for all
Speaker 5: the reasons I said, it's also justified the question if
Speaker 5: he can get things pushed in the postseason. But when
Speaker 5: you go back and you look at the film against
Speaker 5: Green Bay, it wasn't Dak Prescott. It was Dak Prescott's
Speaker 5: slow start that didn't help the case. It didn't help
Speaker 5: because he couldn't. He didn't save the day on a day,
Speaker 5: on an evening where his defense was basically giving away
Speaker 5: the game. Okay, when you allow a visiting team to
Speaker 5: come into your home on your home field and score
Speaker 5: every single play or every single series of downs, right
Speaker 5: at a certain point, Now you're down seven, you're down fourteen,
Speaker 5: you're down twenty one, you need your MVP caliber quarterback
Speaker 5: to step up and say, hey, okay, let me get
Speaker 5: let me answer with this touchdown. Let me answer with
Speaker 5: that that's where the Cowboys offense went wrong. But Big
Speaker 5: Nate brought up a great point. Dak Prescott has now
Speaker 5: had Scott Lenihan, Kellen Moore and now Mike McCarthy. Through
Speaker 5: several offensive coordinators, which includes Brian shot Haammer as well,
Speaker 5: he's mostly performed at an exceptionally high level. That makes
Speaker 5: you wonder what pieces around him have probably failed the equation.
Speaker 5: So we know it's not wide receiver one because pay
Speaker 5: that dude, Pay that dude yesterday. Okay, but then you
Speaker 5: have to look at the exensorial pieces.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 5: So Dalton Schultz was he was capable, but was he
Speaker 5: a Jason Whitten?
Speaker 1: Maybe not? Flip to the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5: We know that the experiment with Marque's Bell going to linebacker,
Speaker 5: you ended up paying for that. And some of dan
Speaker 5: Quinn's decisions, some of his cover yea, some of his
Speaker 5: coverage decisions against the Packers, you were sitting there scratching
Speaker 5: your head like, we can't do that. That's Pop Warner
Speaker 5: type stuff, and love DQ hope he loses a lot
Speaker 5: up there in Washington. But nonetheless it's things like that
Speaker 5: where you have to look at the totality of it.
Speaker 5: So rightful to ask the question, can Dak Prescott get
Speaker 5: you where you need to get in the postseason?
Speaker 1: I believe he can and I believe that he will.
Speaker 5: But everything has to come together perfectly for this Cowboys
Speaker 5: team to make that happen.
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Speaker 1: I like that. They like that reading that you had
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Speaker 1: What did you just know? You know he didn't? He did?
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Speaker 3: Boy? I asked a serious question. Tn to get serious.
Speaker 3: Is there a sense of tension in the air with
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy on the last year of his contract?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 6: No, I mean is that tension coming for us as fans?
Speaker 6: Is that tension coming from coach McCarthy? Because coach McCarthy
Speaker 6: is doing things as normal. He's he's uh doing what
Speaker 6: he has to do. He hasn't missed a beat. Uh,
Speaker 6: he's been a winning coach. Besides that, uh you know
Speaker 6: that pandemic year. He this man has improved. When you
Speaker 6: come to a team, Patrick, is what you want to
Speaker 6: do if you leave it, you want to leave it
Speaker 6: better than you when you came in. Are and the
Speaker 6: other way is to make it better when you come in.
Speaker 6: This guy's made this team better. Him and Will McLay
Speaker 6: is a team. I don't see why people are panicking.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 7: He knows he's been in.
Speaker 6: Every situation that you can bring up good, bad, and indifference.
Speaker 6: This guy barred a monumental collapse of two and this
Speaker 6: and three in that this guy is our coach. That's
Speaker 6: just my feeling.
Speaker 5: I don't feel like there's any pressure whatsoever, as far
Speaker 5: as from the aspect of is if the question is
Speaker 5: is McCarthy feeling any type of way about not having
Speaker 5: a contract secured beyond twenty twenty four, I don't believe
Speaker 5: that McCarthy feels that he's focusing on that. He is
Speaker 5: quite literally being where his feet are and he's going
Speaker 5: through the routine that he normally goes through. He's making tweaks,
Speaker 5: He's made changes to the coaching regime. And obviously with
Speaker 5: the absence or with the departure of Dan Quinn, what
Speaker 5: do you do you bring in approving super Bowl winning
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator and Mike Zimmer return him to the fold right,
Speaker 5: and then you promote Al Harris, which absolutely Al Harris deserves.
Speaker 5: So there are changes made in the coaching staff that
Speaker 5: hopefully are to improve it. He recognized that some things
Speaker 5: were not working in his offense. He talked about it
Speaker 5: in the season press conference. When he admitted running game
Speaker 5: was below park, right. Would we have liked to see
Speaker 5: the Cowboys address that in the draft. Yes, I'm on
Speaker 5: the record of saying that they didn't. But what they
Speaker 5: did do is they reunited with Ezekiel Elliott to make
Speaker 5: sure they get those dirty yards taken care of, the
Speaker 5: goal line yards and stuff like that that they.
Speaker 1: Missed last year.
Speaker 5: And then you go in, you boaster the defensive side
Speaker 5: of the ball with the linebackers, right, you bring in
Speaker 5: Eric Kendricks and you get Marisley a File In the
Speaker 5: third round, you get Willie Harvey Junior, the leading tackler
Speaker 5: out of the UFL. So McCarthy learns from his mistakes,
Speaker 5: which is why Mike Nolan is no longer employed here, Okay.
Speaker 5: And then he gives you what twelve win season? Twelve
Speaker 5: win season and oh, by the way, a third twelve
Speaker 5: win season? You want to see more in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: That's what McCarthy is focused on right now. But for
Speaker 5: those that are saying throw away the baby with the
Speaker 5: bath water and get rid of what already one of
Speaker 5: the winning this coaches in Cowboys history, too soon to
Speaker 5: be talking about that, In my opinion.
Speaker 3: I agree it's too soon. And I think going back
Speaker 3: to that Green Bay loss, when we're sitting in the
Speaker 3: press box and we're actually listening to Dak's press conference,
Speaker 3: the one person that was absolutely defending Mike McCarthy at
Speaker 3: every step was Dak Prescott. To me, their final seasons
Speaker 3: under contractor this year, they're kind of tied at the
Speaker 3: hip at this point, and I think they're riding for
Speaker 3: each other in this moment. I think Dak is going
Speaker 3: to ride with Mike McCarthy. Like you said, though, you
Speaker 3: brought up a great point of running game and how
Speaker 3: that's going to change going forward, brought back Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 3: I think the expectations are not of rookie year, Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you could expect that. But watching
Speaker 3: him on the Patriots last year, you saw a bulldozer.
Speaker 3: He was. He was the bell cow in a lot
Speaker 3: of ways for the Patriots and was getting those dirty yards,
Speaker 3: which we desperately needed last year. Kauf, thinking back to Miami,
Speaker 3: we needed those dirty yards and we needed secure ball
Speaker 3: security as well. So how are we feeling about Zeke?
Speaker 3: Is he a bell cow or a band aid?
Speaker 7: I mean, you want to jump on his first battery.
Speaker 5: No disrespect to Ezekiel Elliott, but I think he knows
Speaker 5: that he's a band aid in the aspect of you're
Speaker 5: not getting Bell kow Zik, You're not getting the former
Speaker 5: NFL rushing champ. That's not what you're getting. What you're
Speaker 5: getting is a guy who is still at twenty nine.
Speaker 5: At only twenty nine, he's still extremely capable of making
Speaker 5: plays for you. And the style of play that he
Speaker 5: operates within is what you sorely missed when you released
Speaker 5: him not long ago.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: You let him go because you believe that Tony povertin
Speaker 5: Rico Dawdle could give you that sledge hammer versus sword dynamic, Right,
Speaker 5: but what you ended up with was two swords. Okay,
Speaker 5: there was no sledge hammer. Now, A lot of that
Speaker 5: goes to the offensive line. You had a lot of injuries,
Speaker 5: there was a carousel there. Chemistry couldn't really be established.
Speaker 5: And what doesn't get talked about a lot, and I
Speaker 5: know Big Nate can attest to this is not only
Speaker 5: chemistry across the front five, but chemistry from running back
Speaker 5: to knowing which the tendencies of each blocker to run
Speaker 5: behind him. What he's going to do so that was disjointed.
Speaker 5: They bringing Ezekiel Elliott. I think you're looking at maybe
Speaker 5: ten to twelve touches per game. I said touches, not
Speaker 5: handoffs per se. Ten to twelve touches. He splits duties
Speaker 5: with ric o'dowdo and then they try to figure out
Speaker 5: the real question is what happens with Duce Faughn and
Speaker 5: Hunter Lipkey and Royce Freeman and any one of the
Speaker 5: other six running backs that they have on this depth chart.
Speaker 7: I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Speaker 6: This is my deal and this is where coach McCarthy
Speaker 6: plays a big role. Go back to his Green Bay days.
Speaker 6: I mean he always had a nice running back, never
Speaker 6: nothing super all over the top. He's back in that
Speaker 6: situation again, and this is where his experience will let
Speaker 6: us know what Zeke made.
Speaker 7: This game.
Speaker 6: He may touch it nine times. This game, he may
Speaker 6: touch at fifteen. As the season going, he may have
Speaker 6: a game where he touched it twenty times. He knows
Speaker 6: how to play these guys. He knows who rico'dondell is.
Speaker 6: The question is men you talking about at the dinner
Speaker 6: table last night. It's the nineteen other running exactly that
Speaker 6: we don't know, and that coach McCarthy got to figure
Speaker 6: out how he's gonna use these guys. He will not
Speaker 6: make the same mistake twice, Coach McCarthy, but he and
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say this because live it out of line
Speaker 6: and not what we're talking about. But this is where
Speaker 6: Dak has to be a little bit better too, you know,
Speaker 6: making sure at all costs that you're in the right
Speaker 6: play for your personnel that's in the game at that
Speaker 6: agreed agreed.
Speaker 3: So I know Nate's not gonna want to chime in
Speaker 3: on this, but we have a new look offensive line
Speaker 3: and looking at this new offensive line, you dressed it
Speaker 3: heavily in the draft, which you absolutely needed to do.
Speaker 3: I want to know, is this offensive line? Is this
Speaker 3: the offensive line we're looking at or we're gonna have
Speaker 3: any question marks going into Week one based on this campalone?
Speaker 6: You know, yes? And I told you guys, we're all
Speaker 6: talking at the dinner table. We're a new group of
Speaker 6: guys together, so we prepping at the dinner table. But
Speaker 6: last night, and I'm telling guys, until I see guys
Speaker 6: play two or three regular season games, it's gonna be questions.
Speaker 6: Now you will get a Parsons and you would get
Speaker 6: other pass rush I can't think of my guys and
Speaker 6: ain't been in the league forever. You'll get guys that
Speaker 6: would give these guys great pass rush looks.
Speaker 7: They'll get a lot of that doing the deal.
Speaker 6: But the run game, that's something you have to work on,
Speaker 6: and a lot of coaches don't really work that. You know,
Speaker 6: all practice are wrong, it's just different sessions. So you
Speaker 6: have to get in a game and watch these guys
Speaker 6: during the regular season before you can give a true
Speaker 6: opinion of who Guidil is.
Speaker 7: Who BB is.
Speaker 6: Because if BB's not starting at center, I'm gonna be
Speaker 6: a little I'm gonna be a little hurt.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be a lot hurt. And so.
Speaker 6: I want the rookies to be in their offensive line wise.
Speaker 6: I want every young guy that has an opportunity to
Speaker 6: be able to play, to get every rep.
Speaker 7: Zach Martin practice once once a week.
Speaker 6: I will not be hurt, you know, But the other
Speaker 6: guys I need to see them. If Tyler Smith don't
Speaker 6: practice but twice a week, I will not be hurt.
Speaker 6: But every from Austome Rich is the TJ Bass to
Speaker 6: guiding to BB to to anybody that has.
Speaker 7: A chance to make this team.
Speaker 6: I want to see them in there doing everything they
Speaker 6: can doing from the from this day fourth all the
Speaker 6: way through preseason.
Speaker 5: Bottom line is this is that anyone who tells you
Speaker 5: in regardles, let's say Tyler Guyton and Cooper BB steal
Speaker 5: the show at camp, okay, which would mean more more
Speaker 5: than likely they're going.
Speaker 1: To be your starters. That's how you know you're starting five.
Speaker 5: Even if that's true, and we hope it's true, even
Speaker 5: if that's true, there is no way that you can
Speaker 5: look someone straight in the eye and tell them that
Speaker 5: two rookie starters on your offensive line, the most important
Speaker 5: unit on the entire football field, doesn't bear questions going
Speaker 5: into Week one, which would be their NFL debut. In
Speaker 5: fact is you have a lot of youth Cleveland and
Speaker 5: this this ain't this ain't your granddaddy Cleveland Browns. Okay,
Speaker 5: this is your Miles Garrett Cleveland Browns. And that defensive
Speaker 5: line is one of the best in the league. They're
Speaker 5: going to be tested early. But when you talk about
Speaker 5: you know, Tyler Guyton and Cooper BB. Now let's go
Speaker 5: to some of the other young guys. Who aren't rookies.
Speaker 5: Brock Hoffman, TJ. Bass, Right, these are guys. Even though
Speaker 5: brock Hoffman he's a lunch pail guy, he will absolutely
Speaker 5: compete for starter.
Speaker 1: TJ.
Speaker 5: Bass he's a gamer. Came mostly out of nowhere, right,
Speaker 5: not unlike Terrence Steele, but on the interior of the
Speaker 5: offensive line when the Cowboys needed.
Speaker 3: Them so much.
Speaker 5: Youth uh aside, Beside, you know, Zach Martin and Terrence Steele,
Speaker 5: you have to have question marks because I'm always of
Speaker 5: the mindset, Big Nate, that it takes three to four
Speaker 5: games of the same front five playing together for them
Speaker 5: to really start geling and knowing each other's tendencies. So
Speaker 5: there's no way that I'm going into week one with
Speaker 5: all of my belief in Cooper BB because I believe
Speaker 5: he'll be the starter. And I'm also on record of
Speaker 5: saying I believe Tyler got In will earn his start
Speaker 5: at left tip I go against the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: Even that being the case, I would be.
Speaker 5: Completely disingenuous to sit here and say, knowing that or
Speaker 5: believing that, I still feel like, oh, I'll be completely confident.
Speaker 5: No questions. They were all said, No, I need to
Speaker 5: see it. I need to see it in real time
Speaker 5: against real competition. And when I say real competition, I
Speaker 5: mean outside of training camp, because this defensive line is
Speaker 5: going to test them as well. Right, DeMarcus Lawrence, Michael Parsons,
Speaker 5: don't forget about guys like Sam Williams, oh so Odiggy
Speaker 5: Zuwa okay, and then of course talk about another rookie,
Speaker 5: Marshawn naland he's gonna make some waves as well. So
Speaker 5: I want to see it like Big Nate Week one,
Speaker 5: Week two, Week three, Week four. Ask me that question
Speaker 5: again as we go in to October.
Speaker 3: Now, I want to share a quick story with what
Speaker 3: happened last year at Cam. Nate told me this and
Speaker 3: it stuck with me and it rained true. Last season
Speaker 3: he said, you don't really know the identity of your
Speaker 3: own team until Thanksgiving. Now it rained true. I mean,
Speaker 3: the beginning of the season was what it was. You
Speaker 3: get after the Charger, he kind of knows what he's
Speaker 3: talking He kind of knows what he's talking about. After
Speaker 3: the Chargers saw the offense jail you said, you saw
Speaker 3: him come together, and you did know who the team
Speaker 3: was by Thanksgiving. My issue here is that the schedule
Speaker 3: is so front loaded. We have so many difficult capital
Speaker 3: d difficult teams to play in the front half of
Speaker 3: this schedule that I don't think we have until Thanksgiving
Speaker 3: to get this offensive line jelling. But we'll see, I mean,
Speaker 3: we'll see how training camp goes, and we'll see how
Speaker 3: these guys look, and I would love to see a
Speaker 3: solidified offensive line, of course, injury notwithstanding, but we'll see.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna take another break after this. As we
Speaker 3: sit here, I'm gonna go question marks again. What is
Speaker 3: the biggest question mark here at Cowboys training camp? As
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Speaker 5: You know, normally I'd say yes, but when it's reading,
Speaker 5: when it's The Cowboys Training Camp magazine for twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: it's just it's it's a read that you can't put down. Okay,
Speaker 5: so make sure you get this either the digital version
Speaker 5: by downloading the Star Magazine app or you can find
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Speaker 1: But make sure you get it.
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Speaker 5: of my Science Lab series which is in here as well,
Speaker 5: So make sure you get it and get yourself ready
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Speaker 1: Get yourself ready.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Kurt Daniels, phenomenal.
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Speaker 3: charin segment. All right, so I like this. Also in
Speaker 3: Dallas cow Boys, we have a we have a an
Speaker 3: article series called Mailbag, and I love these. I love
Speaker 3: one of her fans sending their questions, uh for for
Speaker 3: the writers to address. Always fun, always fun. I liked
Speaker 3: this one a lot. This one was from Benny Reynolds
Speaker 3: and Houston shouts to you, my friend, and this is
Speaker 3: basically the whole topic of the of the entire show.
Speaker 3: I loved this question. But what is the biggest question
Speaker 3: mark here at training Camp?
Speaker 1: What's you're thinking?
Speaker 6: Big Nate Mizzie Smith. I like that along with his
Speaker 6: second pick brother tight end. Those are the biggest Those
Speaker 6: are the biggest answers. Man the biggest question. Excuse me?
Speaker 6: I mean you may be Patrick, see can answered? Is
Speaker 6: what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm I'm drawing a circle around defensive
Speaker 5: tackle as a whole unit. Right, And obviously that's led
Speaker 5: by a question mark on what version of Mazzie Smith
Speaker 5: are we about to see effective today? Are we about
Speaker 5: to see the Michigan version of Mazzie Smith, the definitive
Speaker 5: nose tackle who eats up double?
Speaker 1: Are we about to.
Speaker 5: See the dan Quinn's version in twenty twenty three where
Speaker 5: he tried the conversion to a three tech. That being said,
Speaker 5: Cowboys did not bring in not as of yet, a
Speaker 5: big name free agent for defensive tackles, so they're leaning
Speaker 5: heavily on Mazzie Smith and rookie seventh round pick Justin
Speaker 5: Rodgers along with veteran Carl Davis. You already know what
Speaker 5: you're gonna get from os o'diggi Zua. That's not a
Speaker 5: question mark at all. He is an absolute baller. But
Speaker 5: Chauncey Golston he's going into a contract year. Will he
Speaker 5: break out this season? They need him to? So for me,
Speaker 5: the biggest, single, biggest question mark is how does this
Speaker 5: defensive tackle position play out for Mike Zimmer who, along
Speaker 5: with his linebackers, he depends largely on what his defensive
Speaker 5: tackles can do in trying to stop.
Speaker 3: The room Mine is and a lot of weight gets
Speaker 3: put into this question. But is the team still bought
Speaker 3: in now? Bought in is a relative phrase. You hear
Speaker 3: it a lot.
Speaker 1: Please listen, everybody wants to read this, you know.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, pages looking at the science in Star magazine,
Speaker 3: look at that.
Speaker 1: From an airplane.
Speaker 3: But is the teams bought in now? They jeled so
Speaker 3: well during the regular season, especially after that Chargers Moday
Speaker 3: night football game. Do we see them step right back
Speaker 3: into that rhythm offensively? Or is there some PTSD from
Speaker 3: the Green Bay wild card debacle? That's I kind of
Speaker 3: want to, Like I said, I even brought the question
Speaker 3: up earlier. Is there like a tense air? Is there?
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't feel as optimistic as
Speaker 3: I did last year, and I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 3: fans are feeling the same way. But football's here. You
Speaker 3: can't not be excited about it. But it's just that
Speaker 3: lingering question in the background for me is are we
Speaker 3: bought in?
Speaker 5: I'll say this and I'll toss it to to Big Nate.
Speaker 5: As far as the offense is concerned, Ceedee Lamb's absence notwithstanding,
Speaker 5: I think this offense not only steps right back into
Speaker 5: what they were doing last season, I think they have
Speaker 5: a great opportunity to take the step forward. We'll see
Speaker 5: how the running back situations shake out. But I talked
Speaker 5: to Dak Prescott and Brandon Cook specifically about one particular thing.
Speaker 5: I asked him both. I said, what's the difference between
Speaker 5: right now in a year ago in Mike McCarthy's offense
Speaker 5: in Dallas, the Texas Coast offense, if you will, And
Speaker 5: they both said the same thing. Last year was a
Speaker 5: whole lot of heavy installs and that's why they got
Speaker 5: off to the slow start to the season, a little
Speaker 5: bit disjointed. Slow start for Brandon Cook, slow start with
Speaker 5: Ceedee Lamb, slow start with Jake Ferguson. All of a sudden,
Speaker 5: as the season went on, Jake Ferguson's played at a
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl level. Brandon Cook started to get involved, and
Speaker 5: we saw what Ceedee Lamb was able to do all
Speaker 5: of that in the passing game without a running game
Speaker 5: to really speak of. So I believe that from a
Speaker 5: passing offense standpoint, they're just going to pick up and
Speaker 5: go to the next level because they're comfortable. Now let's
Speaker 5: install more just playing football and knowing the playbook. It's
Speaker 5: the running game that needs to take the step forward.
Speaker 6: I agree one hundred percent. I ain't much more to
Speaker 6: add on that. I just I don't see no tension.
Speaker 6: I don't feel no tension. We'll see, you know, we
Speaker 6: got a press conference coming up here pretty soon.
Speaker 7: We'll see what. And at ten, there's Nick Harris. I
Speaker 7: thought he was sick of been anyway.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm feeling sick of losing the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Same here, man, same here. So uh so, I'm sorry, Nate,
Speaker 3: were you finished with your point?
Speaker 7: What Patrick had to say.
Speaker 3: Right when we got here was that two days ago.
Speaker 3: Uh immediately after we got off the bus, Jordan Lewis
Speaker 3: spoke to the media. Patrick. I was sitting next to
Speaker 3: him and he shoved me out of the way to
Speaker 3: get to the press conference. It was very rude of him,
Speaker 3: and he hasn't apologized yet, but okay, thank you, thank
Speaker 3: you on a public platform. He's only apologizing because he's
Speaker 3: doing because he's on a public platform. But anyways, he
Speaker 3: spoke to the media on playing for coach Mike Zimmer
Speaker 3: installing a new defense, new scheme. Uh, is there a
Speaker 3: possibility that the scheme drastically changes his output this season?
Speaker 3: And is that why he stayed in Dallas?
Speaker 5: Well, he said, that's why. He said, that's one reason why.
Speaker 5: The other reason, he said, is because quote unquote Dallas
Speaker 5: is home. This is a guy who's approaching year ten
Speaker 5: in the league and he's been with Dallas the entire time.
Speaker 5: And when you look at the arc of Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 5: he comes in and because he doesn't fit the prototype
Speaker 5: of Chris Raschard and Rob Marinelli at the time, he's
Speaker 5: kind of shelved and he had to earn his way
Speaker 5: from the bench, and then he became the only ballhawk
Speaker 5: on the team had in the pre Treyvon Diggs years.
Speaker 5: He gets back to for him last year after suffering
Speaker 5: almost a career threatening injury, and then he starts being
Speaker 5: the one that forces fumbles against guys like Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 5: at the one yard line and things like that. So
Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis is back to form. I'm curious to see
Speaker 5: specifically what he meant when he said that Zimmer's scheme
Speaker 5: will allow him to be more impactful because at this
Speaker 5: point in the NFL, Nicholas base, yes, right, So as
Speaker 5: a matter three four, four to three, you're going to
Speaker 5: vary between the two. But Nicholas base, and being that
Speaker 5: Nickel is based, that means Jordan Lewis is gonna be
Speaker 5: on the field quite a bit anyway. So I'm interested
Speaker 5: to see how Zimmer is going to feature him because
Speaker 5: clearly it was a part of the talking points to
Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis to keep him in Dallas, because he brought
Speaker 5: it up when we talked to him.
Speaker 7: I tell you right here, man, zim scheme is not
Speaker 7: difficult to learn. A good thing or a thing that's
Speaker 7: a good thing.
Speaker 6: He's gonna give you one or two points starting out
Speaker 6: early that he gonna ask you to do. Basically, stop
Speaker 6: the run, play a play, great situational football, played the
Speaker 6: percentages that favor you, and.
Speaker 7: You'll be okay. You'll be okay.
Speaker 6: Uh, this freelance and we see thing I thought I
Speaker 6: saw this, and I think that's where it hurt DQ
Speaker 6: last year. Is he he gave guys too many options.
Speaker 6: Uh coach, Uh coach them. Is gonna take away a
Speaker 6: few options, especially earlier in the year, until you prove
Speaker 6: to him that you understand what he needs you to do.
Speaker 6: And once you do that right there, then and only then,
Speaker 6: well he may give you some leverage to do to
Speaker 6: do other things. But he's gonna play the percentages. He's
Speaker 6: gonna be a great situational coach. And I say, we
Speaker 6: all love d Q, but we saw as the season
Speaker 6: went on, guys, but I thought that's saw it is.
Speaker 6: I thought I saw that, Nah, do your job and
Speaker 6: this thing will click.
Speaker 5: The only thing I could think of off the top
Speaker 5: of my head before we see a single practice, which
Speaker 5: you know, the first one starts here in a couple
Speaker 5: of hours. If that is that, maybe you might see
Speaker 5: a little bit more nickel Blitz mixed in and maybe
Speaker 5: sending Jordan Lewis into the backfield a little bit more often,
Speaker 5: because he's shown he can impact games when you get
Speaker 5: him into the backfield as much as he can when
Speaker 5: he drops in coverage because he can take the ball
Speaker 5: away with interceptions as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely all right, so we're gonna pivot for the last
Speaker 3: few minutes of Talking Cowboys, your first Talking Cowboys of
Speaker 3: the season. Bold predictions for training camp. I'm gonna start
Speaker 3: really quick. I this this one actually might be conservative.
Speaker 3: I'm asking you guys the bold prediction. But I'm thinking
Speaker 3: Trey Lance starts the entire first preseason game, does not
Speaker 3: take off a single snap. That's not bold.
Speaker 5: I know that's not a spicy I'll let you guys
Speaker 5: kale all kale is what that is.
Speaker 3: I'll let you guys hitting capital or what is it?
Speaker 3: A command? B bold?
Speaker 1: What do you think of Big Nate?
Speaker 7: You know what?
Speaker 6: I can't tell you that. To me, the boldest thing
Speaker 6: is the Tree Lance thing. I mean, we need to know,
Speaker 6: we need to know so about Tree Lance. So whatever
Speaker 6: you do is bold because he came from the forty
Speaker 6: nine ers, a very coveted hot