WEBVTT - 2.7.25 CRU with Nancy Grace: Richard Allen’s Last-Ditch Defense & Diddy’s Legal Storm Amid a Medical Outcry 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.840 Welcome to the crime round up, y'all. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.439 Y'all better just get your spurs on, because I believe 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:21.720 that Miss Grace is going to come out swinging. Listen, 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.120 before we get deny cases, I do have to tell 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.040 you something I think you are going to be thrilled about. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.040 Huck McCollum has got a new job. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.000 He is no longer an investigator with the Public Defender's Office. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.920 He is now an intake officer at the County for 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.760 Juvenile Court in the Cada Circuit. So I am so 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:47.120 happy he is now on the right side. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:50.040 Praise of the Lord. It has taken all of my 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.240 threat not to discuss with him how wrong his job 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.640 was for him. Thank you, Thank you Heaven for helping 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.200 him what he'd be doing in juvenile intake. That's a 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.480 great place to start, do you do you remember, Cheryl, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.440 when I first toured it with the District Attorney's office, 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.200 and as you know, the elected DA, Lewis Slayton, was 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:17.200 like a grandfather to me and he longest starving DA 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.040 in the country at that time, about thirty seven years, 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:26.320 and he would start everybody first, we'd go through indictments 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.399 where you would, you know, learn to read files, read 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:35.240 police reports, read supplementals, and figure out what should the 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.679 person be charged with legally? Then we would what we 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.080 do do We do grand jury where you know, there's 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.880 not a defense attorney and uh there's no cross exam, 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.040 but the grand journals would ask a lot of questions. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.440 Can to be ready for that? Then we go to Jeevenile. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.320 That's what I was working up to, where you know, 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.480 you see a lot of teams and younger that can 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.440 be helped. They can be help, they don't have to 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.720 have a life of crime. And there's so many others 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.480 that for various reasons, this is just their first pit stop. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.000 And I think that's what's going to be so great. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.280 He'll be doing the intake, so he will have the 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:13.920 case from start to finish. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:15.880 He'll get to know these young people. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.240 He's going to be the one talking directly to the 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.480 judge to say they deserve a second chance, or we 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.880 need to monitor their behavior, you know, put them in 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.080 different programs to help them so that it's not a 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.520 life of crime. And what is so perfect Huck is 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.320 a second chance person. He just believes that people need, 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.880 you know, another leg up, another help, you know, when necessary. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.160 And I think his experience with the public defender is 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.040 going to help him because you know, he's been lied 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.320 to a lot, he's been bamboozled, so that was great 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.840 training for this job. So I think again one of 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.920 his gifts and I know i'm his mama, but this 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.080 is just the truth. Huck can take a ton of 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.400 information and funnel quickly and get to the root of 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:03.040 the issue. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.680 So I think it's a Taylor made job. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.520 This is a thing. You say, he's a second chance person, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.120 and I think I know where he gets that from 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.920 his mom and dad. But that's the place for it, Cheryl, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.440 because I will never forget. And I'm thinking of one 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:27.079 particular guy named Christopher Bailla. He got involved, well, he 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.480 started off in his juvenile and then he ended up 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:35.200 being involved in a triple homeless side that I investigated 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:40.640 and prosecuted. And Cheryl, I remember him as a juvenile. 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.560 When I saw him come into court on that triple homicide, 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.880 which was years later, he was pacing back and forth. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.520 The jury wasn't in yet. He was pacing back and 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.560 forth and back and forth and back and forth like 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.080 a tiger, just in a cage. And this was in 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.200 the courtroom and I remember that moment. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.240 I didn't understand what I was saying, but I could 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:07.240 see something bad had happened to him. And by the way, 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:12.040 he ended up being a witness in the triple homicide. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:17.479 And after that, after his third or fourth chance, he 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.800 got out and committed an armed robbery. So you know, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.240 just you have to take a chance right or wrong 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:31.039 and believe good. But your baby is gonna see a 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.279 lot in juvenile. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.640 Yes, yes, you know. And I'm just proud of him. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.839 And he's ready, and he's got so much support, and 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.839 he's had so much training. I mean, he's watched you 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.160 from day one, so he's ready. So I'm happy. Let's 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.560 get out there and help some folks. But let's talk 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.080 about defense attorneys for a little bit longer. Let's talk 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:55.880 about Richard Allen. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.760 Oh, dear Lord and heaven. I was having a perfectly 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.240 good morning, and then you bring up Allan. You know, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.120 they're trying to get the case thrown out and or 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.320 a new trial. Okay, they always want the case reverse 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.359 and a lieu of that, a new trial. And you 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.360 and I discussed this for a solid hour the other day. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.640 You want to lay out the grounds for a new trial, 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.560 that they're claiming there's four of them. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.599 Well, they're wanting a new trial based on quote new evidence, 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.840 and nothing that they have talked about is new. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:30.720 The main thing that. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:36.200 I just cannot even hardly contain just how disgusted I 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.040 am is that they're saying ron Logan did it. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.280 They're going to blame it now on the dead guy. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.159 Well, you know what, I'm glad you brought that up there. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:50.200 Fourth thing and they are ron Logan's confession, Jill alleged, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.880 Jill house confession, and inmates city confessed. Okay, who's probably 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.240 trying to get a sweet deal like an order sentence modification. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:04.560 But there's Ron Logan. There is the timing of the 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:09.680 white van going by as it affects how that correlates 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.960 to the GIRDL cell phones cutting off and saying that 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:19.599 that timing was impossible. Then there are two other climbs 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.520 off the top of my head, let's see what were they. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:30.760 One it's about the transference, the transferral of Allen to 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.760 a different facility within DC to corporate corrections. They want 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.280 that cost Why why do you think, why does it 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.479 matter where he was housed, because that is where he 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.359 gave all those confessions. So if they can find a 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:48.520 back door way to get those confessed sixty one confessions suppressed, 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.159 and they'll do it. And there's one more. Let's see 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.600 what is the fourth one, Sheryl. Four reasons he but 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.039 for let me and dres ron Logan. You said, blame 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.440 the dead guy. You're so right, Cheryl, because there's plenty 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.839 of other people that they could have blamed. Who every 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:11.200 single person that the cops investigated is a potential scapegoat. Right. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:16.280 You've got the one guy that was catfishing girls online 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:22.840 and he remember he used a body shot of a 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.000 young police recruit I think it was. He lives in 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.600 Canada or something. He had nothing to do with his basement. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.680 This guy had stolen the hot dude's picture and was 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.480 trying to cap this little girls and get naked photos 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.200 and stuff. So that would have been a perfect scapegoat, 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:40.680 except he's live. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.080 He can't come into court and say what and the 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.920 jury would know, Okay, you're lying. There were a couple 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:50.000 of others that could have tried to blame. But who's 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.160 the perfect choice the dead guy. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.680 Of course, here's what's so acid on. They had a troll. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.640 They could have brought him up. They could have brought 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.040 up incline, but they don't do that. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.160 But what do they do outside, What do they do 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:06.640 for the court of public opinion? 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.480 They tried to blame Libby's sister. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.840 Oh, you're going to get the internet trolls crazy again, Rita, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.480 we know that happened. You and I saw it. I 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.960 played it, and I suffered the consequences for months on 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.600 end online telling me how horrible I was. But they're 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.520 the ones that said it. They said tried to blame 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:35.960 the victims, the dead little girl, victims sister for the murder. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.000 I nearly did a backflip. That happened. I don't care 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.640 what anybody says. If the Angel Gabriel no offense, Gabriel, 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.120 don't get mad. This is just a comparison. If the 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.280 Angel Gabriel came down and said, Nancy, that didn't happen, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:56.080 I would have to say, Gabriel, you're wrong, okay, because 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:00.000 it happened. I don't care what some internet troll says. Yeah, 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.240 that wasn't attack in the court of public opinion, just 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.240 like Logan is. You know, I've been thinking a lot 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.200 about Logan because he tried to get an alibi for 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.400 the time of the murders, before it was even discovered 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.400 the girls had been murdered, they were just missing at 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.360 that time. The incident occurred on his property, and he 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:25.960 allegedly gave this confession. Now, who else heard any such 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:30.520 confession beside an inmate, do you know? Okay? And there 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:35.480 is the bullet, the bullet found between the girl's bodies 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:42.960 that directly relates back to Richard Allen's gun. Also, he 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.920 places himself at the scene wearing the same outfit as 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.439 the parent. And there's so much. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:56.880 More when we are looking at what the defense has 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:01.960 done throughout, whether it's the udonism, the leaked photographs say 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.880 of the hair didn't match mister Allen, that he's delusional, Nancy, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.400 I guarantee you he is still confessing today. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.880 You know, after sixty one confessions to anybody that will listen, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:16.920 why would he stop? Now? 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.480 That's right, he can't. He can't help us out. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:25.840 You know, aside from his confessions. Though, let's just pretend, okay, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.400 which is not true. Let's just pretend he was housed illegally, 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.319 that he should not have been transformed to that facility. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.840 That is not a grounds to suppress a statement, any statement, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.800 much less a confession, that's not gonna work. You know, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.480 I respect him for trying, but that's not gonna work. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.040 All in it new evidence when there's nothing new, it's 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:45.800 not gonna work. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.120 Well, here's another thing under the law. When you try 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.320 to get a case reversed based on quote newly discovered evidence, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.960 it actually has to be new. So that defeats the 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.640 claim on raw logan. Because they knew that at the time, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.000 they chose for that not to be the defense. They 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:11.920 wanted to go with Odinism instead. That for worshipers, the 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.920 Norse god worshippers, you know, the ones over in Iceland, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.840 that they did it, and they were making some connection 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:23.719 between oldness and I guess Area Nation or white supremacists, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.600 somebody for the jury to really hate, because it's hard 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:32.280 to you know, get your mind around some oldinists who 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.680 were out lighting candles in the woods and worshiping Norse 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:40.320 gods that don't exist. It's hard to imagine them getting 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.040 angry enough to murder two little girls. When you start 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.880 thinking about hate groups, they would be more likely to 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.920 commit a murder. So they've got to approve. Not only 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.440 was it some crazy oldness ritual which a lot of 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.440 people would be in on and nobody talked about it. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.800 Everybody stay quiet or was it hate group that have 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.320 to make that connection improve all of that. But that's 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.320 what they went with, and of course the judge disallowed it. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.240 I don't know why that an't do with Ron Logan 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.120 at the time. Of course, it's all a lie, Cheryl. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.880 I mean, we're just building a house of cards here. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:15.920 All that's life. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.040 But one made more sense. At least the FBI focused 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.839 on mister Logan. They actually served a warrant his phone 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.719 pinged they were on his property. That would have been 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.920 much easier for people to go. Well, it could be. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.120 I wonder, Cheryl, why didn't they go with it. Do 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.080 you think the inmate fall apart when he couldn't get 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.920 a sweetheart deal on whatever he was in jail for. 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.559 Well, I think the start was when he couldn't pass 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:40.439 a polygraph. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.679 Yeah, I would say that's the start. But I mean 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:47.439 even I think even a line inmate might be better 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.560 than optimism. But again, you know, we're chasing our tails, right, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.719 because none of this is true. Once we capture and 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.000 say we're not going to have anything anyway, it's a lie, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.760 that's right. And the law is that if you're trying 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.360 to get a reversal based on nearly discovered in evidence 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.240 or a new trial, it must truly be nearly discovered. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.040 And we all know that Logan was investigated at the 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.600 time and all the information was handed over to the defense. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:12.680 That ain't working. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:21.880 Now we've got the phone, the phone issue where the expert, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:27.000 the defense expert was stating that someone plugged the girl's 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.000 cell phone into a jack after the state says. 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.520 She's dead, which means the state's timeline is off, which 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.520 means it could not have been richer Allen. That's where 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.640 they're going with that. The state bought on an expert 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.880 to counter the claim and said, oh yeah, if you 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.520 get water or dirt in your cell phone, you know 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.040 that little spot where you put the jack, If it 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.719 gets contaminated with water or dirt, then that can give 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.960 the appearance of it being plugged into something. And the 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.360 defense said, oh, really, where to get that? He said, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.760 google it? And he's like, you mean, after seven and 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.960 a half years, all you guys at Google service And 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.520 he's like, yeah, well again they're broking up the wrong tree. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.679 There because probably everybody on the jury, including me, I 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.400 want to know something on Google it right, So they're like, hey, 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:17.199 there's something wrong with that. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.800 At the scene number one, there's no jack. Number two, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:28.760 the phone is under abby. There's no way the killer 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.600 Richard Allen took the phone, plugged it into some jack, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.600 you know, pulled the jack back out, and placed the 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.720 phone under abbey. That makes no sense. The jury didn't 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.440 buy it. Nobody buying it. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.880 I guess what they were trying to argue is that 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.200 somebody okay, that the girls were not killed at that 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:53.160 time or in that place possibly all, but the saturated 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.520 earth shows, you know, it's saturated with blood, that that 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.720 is the location of the murder. So I guess what 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.640 there's trying to argue is it didn't happen here, and 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.080 it didn't happen then, so it couldn't have been Riturn 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.600 Allen because when it did happen was outside his his 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.000 he has an alibi for the time it quote really happened. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:13.160 Nope, that's it. 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.960 Can we just get to Dennity real quick, please. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:17.640 That's what I was just gonna say. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.320 I was gonna say, speaking of cons and swindles and liars, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.360 let's talk about Diddy for a minute. 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.880 I mean, really have to leave the jail in the 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:30.680 cover of darkness because his knee hurts. Okay, people have 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.920 heart attacts and cancer treatments behind ball, you know, cancer 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.320 illness behind bars, and they don't get whisked out in 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.160 the middle of the night. I had a feel day 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:40.480 talking about that the other day. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:45.560 And this is a knee injury twenty years in the past. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.880 Okay, So all that time he was out, all that 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.360 money he's got, he didn't fix that knee. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.520 Well, I think the knee pain came on about the 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.440 time that superseded superseding indictment came down. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.960 Don't you hate that hat? Don't you hate that? With that? Corresponds, Yeah, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:04.440 that was quite the co inky thing. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.440 So he gets a superseding indictment. Why the lawyers talk 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.240 like that. They amended the indictment. They added some victims' 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.760 names to it, and they dated his criminal conspiracy ie 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:20.040 six trafficking back to twenty years. Cheryl, that's got to hurt. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.720 I guess his knee did, or makes my toothirt just 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:23.960 talking about it, And. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.240 Didn't they add arson and other things? 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:31.880 They added arson. I believe he is accused of setting 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.400 a car on fire when somebody wouldn't do what they 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.800 wanted him to do, and kidnapp in the middle of 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.720 all this. You know, kidnap is not that hard to prove, Cheryl. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.040 People imagine it is an elaborate scheme where the person 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.360 has to be hidden away in a heidi full for 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.640 weeks on end and there's a ransom, blah blah. That's 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:58.360 not what it is. Kidnapp requires the non consensual moving 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:05.119 of someone. Moving part of the claim is called asportation, 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.920 kind of like Harry Potter, remember when he would get 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:16.280 transported to another place across the world. That's what it is. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.639 When you move somebody and guess what asportation requires no 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:26.840 specific distance, You can force somebody two inches improve asportation 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:31.280 and kidnapping. So every time he would force somebody back 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.760 into a freaknik party, that could be under the law 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.720 technically a kidnapped. I think the kidnaps they're referring to 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.640 in the superseding indictment are much more severe than two inches. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.080 But you know, that's where of the term false imprisonment 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:51.439 comes from. For instance, for in that video allegedly forcing 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.800 Cassiev interior beating her dragging her back into a free cough. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:18:00.760 That would be kidnapping and false imprisonment. So it's got 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.199 to be much more serious than the two intes to 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.639 which I'm referring, and I'm sure that it is. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.880 You know, the folks in the Department of Corrections, they've 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.360 got to be real careful because even if they think 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.119 he's faking, they have to make sure he has you know, 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.600 medical assistant and somebody look at him. It's not just oh, well, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.960 I'm sure this is bogus. They can't ignore it. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.920 I guarantee you everybody in MDC Metropolitan Attention Center this 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.360 morning they got a knee ache. Why did he not them? 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.040 Why does he get to leave the general and go 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.240 bunk up at the hospital for a day or night 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:45.760 when they cannot really Cheryl, what what are you saying 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.959 that somehow he's denied his constitutional right because he couldn't 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:54.120 get an mri I in time on a bogus claim 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:55.520 about his knee. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:02.320 Saying guards, when somebody makes a medical outcry, they cannot 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.919 ignore it. So whether they won't do say well so 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.320 and Zoe's claiming they got chest pains, they can't. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.040 Just go ah, he's a liar, he's a god artist. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.160 They have to make sure they have medical assistants. They 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:15.600 just do. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.320 You're right, I'm not arguing that inmates don't be medical 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.600 assistance and penal assistance. What I am saying is it's 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.800 all been yes. That's what I'm saying. He gets a 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:29.760 superseding indictment which does not add additional charges, but it 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:36.879 does name additional elected victims, and it does date the 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:42.439 criminal activity sex traffying back several years earlier. That's what 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.800 it does. So that superseding indictment comes down in rot row. 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.800 I Kinika Bob Hurtz. That's what I call the nie 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.560 that led them when they were a little mink nee orts. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.119 It suddenly starts hurting as soon as added doctors hand down. Okay, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.720 that's been yes. But you know what that is going 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.760 to have no bearing on this tr which right now 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.760 except for May, will it happen? It Isn't it hard 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.199 to believe they're gonna have it together to try that 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.320 case in May. What I really want to know is 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.600 will do he testify? Because he is the type that 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:19.120 will insist that he gets testify, which of course will 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:24.520 be a grave mistake. But when you have an uncontrollable client. 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.840 When Sean comes, they might not be able. Come on, 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.280 fat boy, they may not be able to control him. 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.679 That's right. And you know, any. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.760 Judge worth his or her soul puts the defendant on 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.520 the record under oath and says, you have the right 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.320 to speak at your trial, to cross examine witnesses brought 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.800 against you, and you have the right to remain silent. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.840 Are you exercising your right to remain silent? Or do 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:53.600 you want to testify? I get to see Sean come 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.239 and jumping up to saying he wanted to testify. I mean, 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.919 just despite all of his lawyers that are trying their 0:20:58.960 --> 0:20:59.720 best to get him off. 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.320 The hook, and he may believe that he can convince 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:04.320 one juror. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:06.439 May are you kidding? 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:07.440 Of course he does. 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.000 Yes, you know another thing I. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.720 Mean to look out for. I'd really be watching out 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.960 for Jerry tampering. He's got the money, he's got the 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.359 wherewithal to get to one juror, and. 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.000 He's still got some sidekicks. 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.760 So I'm worried about that. I'm just worried about so 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:24.680 many things. This morning. 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:26.199 I got you and listen. 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.679 I hate to cut this short, but I get to 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.640 go help out with a mock crime saying a mock. 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.240 Crimes saying, why don't you save yourself in a real fun. 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.760 I'm helping the students at Atlanta Technical College, and let 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:40.920 me tell you, they are so fired up to practice 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:41.760 for this competition. 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:43.000 They are awesome. 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.160 If they're helping any If you're all about helping people, 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.040 can get me on crime stories. You can get right 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:49.879 out there in the field. 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:52.640 I'm about that girl. Send me. 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.960 You need to send me to Kentucky. That's where I 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.600 want to go with you, the sheriff that got the judge? 0:21:58.880 --> 0:21:59.800 Why would I see? Do you? 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:00.920 And I want to go myself. 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:02.840 That's what I'm saying. I want to go with you. 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.000 That would be that's going to be a good one. 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:09.440 What do you believe and of course the state never 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.399 has to prove a motive, but what do you believe 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.320 the motive is going to be in that? 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.560 I believe you're going to see a layered motive. 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:21.920 I think there's some mental health issues on top of 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:26.439 some inappropriate behavior, on top of a little bit of paranoia. 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.040 And here's what it came down to to me. It 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:35.920 is how the sheriff's daughter answered that phone. So just 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.560 stay with me a second. If she hit the phone like, judge, 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.360 you know, can I help you think? Okay? Versus if 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.080 she had said, well, hey baby. 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:47.320 Hey guys, put your pantson. 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.879 That's right because think about when the call was made. 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.760 The call was made while she was still at school. 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:56.399 She took that call. 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:59.080 I think it's all going to be tangled up with 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:03.159 the daughter. Not that I'm impuning any wrong dietting on 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:08.199 the daughter. I think that somehow the perp thinks the 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.040 daughter is mixed up and not in a good way 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.440 with the judge. Is that true. I don't know, but 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:16.760 he may have thought that. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.480 So we'll see where we land. Absolutely, Cheryl, Okay, I'm 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:22.200 not gonna let. 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.120