Speaker 1: Welcome to the crime round up, y'all.
Speaker 2: Y'all better just get your spurs on, because I believe
Speaker 2: that Miss Grace is going to come out swinging. Listen,
Speaker 2: before we get deny cases, I do have to tell
Speaker 2: you something I think you are going to be thrilled about.
Speaker 1: Huck McCollum has got a new job.
Speaker 2: He is no longer an investigator with the Public Defender's Office.
Speaker 2: He is now an intake officer at the County for
Speaker 2: Juvenile Court in the Cada Circuit. So I am so
Speaker 2: happy he is now on the right side.
Speaker 3: Praise of the Lord. It has taken all of my
Speaker 3: threat not to discuss with him how wrong his job
Speaker 3: was for him. Thank you, Thank you Heaven for helping
Speaker 3: him what he'd be doing in juvenile intake. That's a
Speaker 3: great place to start, do you do you remember, Cheryl,
Speaker 3: when I first toured it with the District Attorney's office,
Speaker 3: and as you know, the elected DA, Lewis Slayton, was
Speaker 3: like a grandfather to me and he longest starving DA
Speaker 3: in the country at that time, about thirty seven years,
Speaker 3: and he would start everybody first, we'd go through indictments
Speaker 3: where you would, you know, learn to read files, read
Speaker 3: police reports, read supplementals, and figure out what should the
Speaker 3: person be charged with legally? Then we would what we
Speaker 3: do do We do grand jury where you know, there's
Speaker 3: not a defense attorney and uh there's no cross exam,
Speaker 3: but the grand journals would ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: Can to be ready for that? Then we go to Jeevenile.
Speaker 3: That's what I was working up to, where you know,
Speaker 3: you see a lot of teams and younger that can
Speaker 3: be helped. They can be help, they don't have to
Speaker 3: have a life of crime. And there's so many others
Speaker 3: that for various reasons, this is just their first pit stop.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what's going to be so great.
Speaker 2: He'll be doing the intake, so he will have the
Speaker 2: case from start to finish.
Speaker 1: He'll get to know these young people.
Speaker 2: He's going to be the one talking directly to the
Speaker 2: judge to say they deserve a second chance, or we
Speaker 2: need to monitor their behavior, you know, put them in
Speaker 2: different programs to help them so that it's not a
Speaker 2: life of crime. And what is so perfect Huck is
Speaker 2: a second chance person. He just believes that people need,
Speaker 2: you know, another leg up, another help, you know, when necessary.
Speaker 2: And I think his experience with the public defender is
Speaker 2: going to help him because you know, he's been lied
Speaker 2: to a lot, he's been bamboozled, so that was great
Speaker 2: training for this job. So I think again one of
Speaker 2: his gifts and I know i'm his mama, but this
Speaker 2: is just the truth. Huck can take a ton of
Speaker 2: information and funnel quickly and get to the root of
Speaker 2: the issue.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a Taylor made job.
Speaker 3: This is a thing. You say, he's a second chance person,
Speaker 3: and I think I know where he gets that from
Speaker 3: his mom and dad. But that's the place for it, Cheryl,
Speaker 3: because I will never forget. And I'm thinking of one
Speaker 3: particular guy named Christopher Bailla. He got involved, well, he
Speaker 3: started off in his juvenile and then he ended up
Speaker 3: being involved in a triple homeless side that I investigated
Speaker 3: and prosecuted. And Cheryl, I remember him as a juvenile.
Speaker 3: When I saw him come into court on that triple homicide,
Speaker 3: which was years later, he was pacing back and forth.
Speaker 3: The jury wasn't in yet. He was pacing back and
Speaker 3: forth and back and forth and back and forth like
Speaker 3: a tiger, just in a cage. And this was in
Speaker 3: the courtroom and I remember that moment.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand what I was saying, but I could
Speaker 4: see something bad had happened to him. And by the way,
Speaker 4: he ended up being a witness in the triple homicide.
Speaker 3: And after that, after his third or fourth chance, he
Speaker 3: got out and committed an armed robbery. So you know,
Speaker 3: just you have to take a chance right or wrong
Speaker 3: and believe good. But your baby is gonna see a
Speaker 3: lot in juvenile.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know. And I'm just proud of him.
Speaker 2: And he's ready, and he's got so much support, and
Speaker 2: he's had so much training. I mean, he's watched you
Speaker 2: from day one, so he's ready. So I'm happy. Let's
Speaker 2: get out there and help some folks. But let's talk
Speaker 2: about defense attorneys for a little bit longer. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about Richard Allen.
Speaker 3: Oh, dear Lord and heaven. I was having a perfectly
Speaker 3: good morning, and then you bring up Allan. You know,
Speaker 3: they're trying to get the case thrown out and or
Speaker 3: a new trial. Okay, they always want the case reverse
Speaker 3: and a lieu of that, a new trial. And you
Speaker 3: and I discussed this for a solid hour the other day.
Speaker 3: You want to lay out the grounds for a new trial,
Speaker 3: that they're claiming there's four of them.
Speaker 2: Well, they're wanting a new trial based on quote new evidence,
Speaker 2: and nothing that they have talked about is new.
Speaker 1: The main thing that.
Speaker 2: I just cannot even hardly contain just how disgusted I
Speaker 2: am is that they're saying ron Logan did it.
Speaker 1: They're going to blame it now on the dead guy.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm glad you brought that up there.
Speaker 3: Fourth thing and they are ron Logan's confession, Jill alleged,
Speaker 3: Jill house confession, and inmates city confessed. Okay, who's probably
Speaker 3: trying to get a sweet deal like an order sentence modification.
Speaker 3: But there's Ron Logan. There is the timing of the
Speaker 3: white van going by as it affects how that correlates
Speaker 3: to the GIRDL cell phones cutting off and saying that
Speaker 3: that timing was impossible. Then there are two other climbs
Speaker 3: off the top of my head, let's see what were they.
Speaker 3: One it's about the transference, the transferral of Allen to
Speaker 3: a different facility within DC to corporate corrections. They want
Speaker 3: that cost Why why do you think, why does it
Speaker 3: matter where he was housed, because that is where he
Speaker 3: gave all those confessions. So if they can find a
Speaker 3: back door way to get those confessed sixty one confessions suppressed,
Speaker 3: and they'll do it. And there's one more. Let's see
Speaker 3: what is the fourth one, Sheryl. Four reasons he but
Speaker 3: for let me and dres ron Logan. You said, blame
Speaker 3: the dead guy. You're so right, Cheryl, because there's plenty
Speaker 3: of other people that they could have blamed. Who every
Speaker 3: single person that the cops investigated is a potential scapegoat. Right.
Speaker 3: You've got the one guy that was catfishing girls online
Speaker 3: and he remember he used a body shot of a
Speaker 3: young police recruit I think it was. He lives in
Speaker 3: Canada or something. He had nothing to do with his basement.
Speaker 5: This guy had stolen the hot dude's picture and was
Speaker 5: trying to cap this little girls and get naked photos
Speaker 5: and stuff. So that would have been a perfect scapegoat,
Speaker 5: except he's live.
Speaker 3: He can't come into court and say what and the
Speaker 3: jury would know, Okay, you're lying. There were a couple
Speaker 3: of others that could have tried to blame. But who's
Speaker 3: the perfect choice the dead guy.
Speaker 1: Of course, here's what's so acid on. They had a troll.
Speaker 1: They could have brought him up. They could have brought
Speaker 1: up incline, but they don't do that.
Speaker 2: But what do they do outside, What do they do
Speaker 2: for the court of public opinion?
Speaker 1: They tried to blame Libby's sister.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're going to get the internet trolls crazy again, Rita,
Speaker 3: we know that happened. You and I saw it. I
Speaker 3: played it, and I suffered the consequences for months on
Speaker 3: end online telling me how horrible I was. But they're
Speaker 3: the ones that said it. They said tried to blame
Speaker 3: the victims, the dead little girl, victims sister for the murder.
Speaker 3: I nearly did a backflip. That happened. I don't care
Speaker 3: what anybody says. If the Angel Gabriel no offense, Gabriel,
Speaker 3: don't get mad. This is just a comparison. If the
Speaker 3: Angel Gabriel came down and said, Nancy, that didn't happen,
Speaker 3: I would have to say, Gabriel, you're wrong, okay, because
Speaker 3: it happened. I don't care what some internet troll says. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that wasn't attack in the court of public opinion, just
Speaker 3: like Logan is. You know, I've been thinking a lot
Speaker 3: about Logan because he tried to get an alibi for
Speaker 3: the time of the murders, before it was even discovered
Speaker 3: the girls had been murdered, they were just missing at
Speaker 3: that time. The incident occurred on his property, and he
Speaker 3: allegedly gave this confession. Now, who else heard any such
Speaker 3: confession beside an inmate, do you know? Okay? And there
Speaker 3: is the bullet, the bullet found between the girl's bodies
Speaker 3: that directly relates back to Richard Allen's gun. Also, he
Speaker 3: places himself at the scene wearing the same outfit as
Speaker 3: the parent. And there's so much.
Speaker 2: More when we are looking at what the defense has
Speaker 2: done throughout, whether it's the udonism, the leaked photographs say
Speaker 2: of the hair didn't match mister Allen, that he's delusional, Nancy,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you he is still confessing today.
Speaker 3: You know, after sixty one confessions to anybody that will listen,
Speaker 3: why would he stop? Now?
Speaker 1: That's right, he can't. He can't help us out.
Speaker 3: You know, aside from his confessions. Though, let's just pretend, okay,
Speaker 3: which is not true. Let's just pretend he was housed illegally,
Speaker 3: that he should not have been transformed to that facility.
Speaker 3: That is not a grounds to suppress a statement, any statement,
Speaker 3: much less a confession, that's not gonna work. You know,
Speaker 3: I respect him for trying, but that's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: All in it new evidence when there's nothing new, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work.
Speaker 3: Well, here's another thing under the law. When you try
Speaker 3: to get a case reversed based on quote newly discovered evidence,
Speaker 3: it actually has to be new. So that defeats the
Speaker 3: claim on raw logan. Because they knew that at the time,
Speaker 3: they chose for that not to be the defense. They
Speaker 3: wanted to go with Odinism instead. That for worshipers, the
Speaker 3: Norse god worshippers, you know, the ones over in Iceland,
Speaker 3: that they did it, and they were making some connection
Speaker 3: between oldness and I guess Area Nation or white supremacists,
Speaker 3: somebody for the jury to really hate, because it's hard
Speaker 3: to you know, get your mind around some oldinists who
Speaker 3: were out lighting candles in the woods and worshiping Norse
Speaker 3: gods that don't exist. It's hard to imagine them getting
Speaker 3: angry enough to murder two little girls. When you start
Speaker 3: thinking about hate groups, they would be more likely to
Speaker 3: commit a murder. So they've got to approve. Not only
Speaker 3: was it some crazy oldness ritual which a lot of
Speaker 3: people would be in on and nobody talked about it.
Speaker 3: Everybody stay quiet or was it hate group that have
Speaker 3: to make that connection improve all of that. But that's
Speaker 3: what they went with, and of course the judge disallowed it.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that an't do with Ron Logan
Speaker 3: at the time. Of course, it's all a lie, Cheryl.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're just building a house of cards here.
Speaker 1: All that's life.
Speaker 2: But one made more sense. At least the FBI focused
Speaker 2: on mister Logan. They actually served a warrant his phone
Speaker 2: pinged they were on his property. That would have been
Speaker 2: much easier for people to go. Well, it could be.
Speaker 3: I wonder, Cheryl, why didn't they go with it. Do
Speaker 3: you think the inmate fall apart when he couldn't get
Speaker 3: a sweetheart deal on whatever he was in jail for.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the start was when he couldn't pass
Speaker 2: a polygraph.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that's the start. But I mean
Speaker 3: even I think even a line inmate might be better
Speaker 3: than optimism. But again, you know, we're chasing our tails, right,
Speaker 3: because none of this is true. Once we capture and
Speaker 3: say we're not going to have anything anyway, it's a lie,
Speaker 3: that's right. And the law is that if you're trying
Speaker 3: to get a reversal based on nearly discovered in evidence
Speaker 3: or a new trial, it must truly be nearly discovered.
Speaker 3: And we all know that Logan was investigated at the
Speaker 3: time and all the information was handed over to the defense.
Speaker 3: That ain't working.
Speaker 6: Now we've got the phone, the phone issue where the expert,
Speaker 6: the defense expert was stating that someone plugged the girl's
Speaker 6: cell phone into a jack after the state says.
Speaker 3: She's dead, which means the state's timeline is off, which
Speaker 3: means it could not have been richer Allen. That's where
Speaker 3: they're going with that. The state bought on an expert
Speaker 3: to counter the claim and said, oh yeah, if you
Speaker 3: get water or dirt in your cell phone, you know
Speaker 3: that little spot where you put the jack, If it
Speaker 3: gets contaminated with water or dirt, then that can give
Speaker 3: the appearance of it being plugged into something. And the
Speaker 3: defense said, oh, really, where to get that? He said,
Speaker 3: google it? And he's like, you mean, after seven and
Speaker 3: a half years, all you guys at Google service And
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, well again they're broking up the wrong tree.
Speaker 3: There because probably everybody on the jury, including me, I
Speaker 3: want to know something on Google it right, So they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: there's something wrong with that.
Speaker 2: At the scene number one, there's no jack. Number two,
Speaker 2: the phone is under abby. There's no way the killer
Speaker 2: Richard Allen took the phone, plugged it into some jack,
Speaker 2: you know, pulled the jack back out, and placed the
Speaker 2: phone under abbey. That makes no sense. The jury didn't
Speaker 2: buy it. Nobody buying it.
Speaker 3: I guess what they were trying to argue is that
Speaker 3: somebody okay, that the girls were not killed at that
Speaker 3: time or in that place possibly all, but the saturated
Speaker 3: earth shows, you know, it's saturated with blood, that that
Speaker 3: is the location of the murder. So I guess what
Speaker 3: there's trying to argue is it didn't happen here, and
Speaker 3: it didn't happen then, so it couldn't have been Riturn
Speaker 3: Allen because when it did happen was outside his his
Speaker 3: he has an alibi for the time it quote really happened.
Speaker 1: Nope, that's it.
Speaker 3: Can we just get to Dennity real quick, please.
Speaker 1: That's what I was just gonna say.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, speaking of cons and swindles and liars,
Speaker 2: let's talk about Diddy for a minute.
Speaker 3: I mean, really have to leave the jail in the
Speaker 3: cover of darkness because his knee hurts. Okay, people have
Speaker 3: heart attacts and cancer treatments behind ball, you know, cancer
Speaker 3: illness behind bars, and they don't get whisked out in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night. I had a feel day
Speaker 3: talking about that the other day.
Speaker 1: And this is a knee injury twenty years in the past.
Speaker 2: Okay, So all that time he was out, all that
Speaker 2: money he's got, he didn't fix that knee.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the knee pain came on about the
Speaker 3: time that superseded superseding indictment came down.
Speaker 1: Don't you hate that hat? Don't you hate that? With that? Corresponds, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was quite the co inky thing.
Speaker 3: So he gets a superseding indictment. Why the lawyers talk
Speaker 3: like that. They amended the indictment. They added some victims'
Speaker 3: names to it, and they dated his criminal conspiracy ie
Speaker 3: six trafficking back to twenty years. Cheryl, that's got to hurt.
Speaker 3: I guess his knee did, or makes my toothirt just
Speaker 3: talking about it, And.
Speaker 1: Didn't they add arson and other things?
Speaker 3: They added arson. I believe he is accused of setting
Speaker 3: a car on fire when somebody wouldn't do what they
Speaker 3: wanted him to do, and kidnapp in the middle of
Speaker 3: all this. You know, kidnap is not that hard to prove, Cheryl.
Speaker 3: People imagine it is an elaborate scheme where the person
Speaker 3: has to be hidden away in a heidi full for
Speaker 3: weeks on end and there's a ransom, blah blah. That's
Speaker 3: not what it is. Kidnapp requires the non consensual moving
Speaker 3: of someone. Moving part of the claim is called asportation,
Speaker 3: kind of like Harry Potter, remember when he would get
Speaker 3: transported to another place across the world. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: When you move somebody and guess what asportation requires no
Speaker 3: specific distance, You can force somebody two inches improve asportation
Speaker 3: and kidnapping. So every time he would force somebody back
Speaker 3: into a freaknik party, that could be under the law
Speaker 3: technically a kidnapped. I think the kidnaps they're referring to
Speaker 3: in the superseding indictment are much more severe than two inches.
Speaker 3: But you know, that's where of the term false imprisonment
Speaker 3: comes from. For instance, for in that video allegedly forcing
Speaker 3: Cassiev interior beating her dragging her back into a free cough.
Speaker 3: That would be kidnapping and false imprisonment. So it's got
Speaker 3: to be much more serious than the two intes to
Speaker 3: which I'm referring, and I'm sure that it is.
Speaker 2: You know, the folks in the Department of Corrections, they've
Speaker 2: got to be real careful because even if they think
Speaker 2: he's faking, they have to make sure he has you know,
Speaker 2: medical assistant and somebody look at him. It's not just oh, well,
Speaker 2: I'm sure this is bogus. They can't ignore it.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you everybody in MDC Metropolitan Attention Center this
Speaker 3: morning they got a knee ache. Why did he not them?
Speaker 3: Why does he get to leave the general and go
Speaker 3: bunk up at the hospital for a day or night
Speaker 3: when they cannot really Cheryl, what what are you saying
Speaker 3: that somehow he's denied his constitutional right because he couldn't
Speaker 3: get an mri I in time on a bogus claim
Speaker 3: about his knee.
Speaker 2: Saying guards, when somebody makes a medical outcry, they cannot
Speaker 2: ignore it. So whether they won't do say well so
Speaker 2: and Zoe's claiming they got chest pains, they can't.
Speaker 1: Just go ah, he's a liar, he's a god artist.
Speaker 1: They have to make sure they have medical assistants. They
Speaker 1: just do.
Speaker 3: You're right, I'm not arguing that inmates don't be medical
Speaker 3: assistance and penal assistance. What I am saying is it's
Speaker 3: all been yes. That's what I'm saying. He gets a
Speaker 3: superseding indictment which does not add additional charges, but it
Speaker 3: does name additional elected victims, and it does date the
Speaker 3: criminal activity sex traffying back several years earlier. That's what
Speaker 3: it does. So that superseding indictment comes down in rot row.
Speaker 3: I Kinika Bob Hurtz. That's what I call the nie
Speaker 3: that led them when they were a little mink nee orts.
Speaker 3: It suddenly starts hurting as soon as added doctors hand down. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's been yes. But you know what that is going
Speaker 3: to have no bearing on this tr which right now
Speaker 3: except for May, will it happen? It Isn't it hard
Speaker 3: to believe they're gonna have it together to try that
Speaker 3: case in May. What I really want to know is
Speaker 3: will do he testify? Because he is the type that
Speaker 3: will insist that he gets testify, which of course will
Speaker 3: be a grave mistake. But when you have an uncontrollable client.
Speaker 3: When Sean comes, they might not be able. Come on,
Speaker 3: fat boy, they may not be able to control him.
Speaker 1: That's right. And you know, any.
Speaker 3: Judge worth his or her soul puts the defendant on
Speaker 3: the record under oath and says, you have the right
Speaker 3: to speak at your trial, to cross examine witnesses brought
Speaker 3: against you, and you have the right to remain silent.
Speaker 3: Are you exercising your right to remain silent? Or do
Speaker 3: you want to testify? I get to see Sean come
Speaker 3: and jumping up to saying he wanted to testify. I mean,
Speaker 3: just despite all of his lawyers that are trying their
Speaker 3: best to get him off.
Speaker 2: The hook, and he may believe that he can convince
Speaker 2: one juror.
Speaker 1: May are you kidding?
Speaker 3: Of course he does.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know another thing I.
Speaker 3: Mean to look out for. I'd really be watching out
Speaker 3: for Jerry tampering. He's got the money, he's got the
Speaker 3: wherewithal to get to one juror, and.
Speaker 1: He's still got some sidekicks.
Speaker 3: So I'm worried about that. I'm just worried about so
Speaker 3: many things. This morning.
Speaker 1: I got you and listen.
Speaker 2: I hate to cut this short, but I get to
Speaker 2: go help out with a mock crime saying a mock.
Speaker 3: Crimes saying, why don't you save yourself in a real fun.
Speaker 2: I'm helping the students at Atlanta Technical College, and let
Speaker 2: me tell you, they are so fired up to practice
Speaker 2: for this competition.
Speaker 1: They are awesome.
Speaker 3: If they're helping any If you're all about helping people,
Speaker 3: can get me on crime stories. You can get right
Speaker 3: out there in the field.
Speaker 1: I'm about that girl. Send me.
Speaker 2: You need to send me to Kentucky. That's where I
Speaker 2: want to go with you, the sheriff that got the judge?
Speaker 1: Why would I see? Do you?
Speaker 3: And I want to go myself.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I want to go with you.
Speaker 1: That would be that's going to be a good one.
Speaker 3: What do you believe and of course the state never
Speaker 3: has to prove a motive, but what do you believe
Speaker 3: the motive is going to be in that?
Speaker 1: I believe you're going to see a layered motive.
Speaker 2: I think there's some mental health issues on top of
Speaker 2: some inappropriate behavior, on top of a little bit of paranoia.
Speaker 1: And here's what it came down to to me. It
Speaker 1: is how the sheriff's daughter answered that phone. So just
Speaker 1: stay with me a second. If she hit the phone like, judge,
Speaker 1: you know, can I help you think? Okay? Versus if
Speaker 1: she had said, well, hey baby.
Speaker 3: Hey guys, put your pantson.
Speaker 2: That's right because think about when the call was made.
Speaker 2: The call was made while she was still at school.
Speaker 2: She took that call.
Speaker 3: I think it's all going to be tangled up with
Speaker 3: the daughter. Not that I'm impuning any wrong dietting on
Speaker 3: the daughter. I think that somehow the perp thinks the
Speaker 3: daughter is mixed up and not in a good way
Speaker 3: with the judge. Is that true. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: he may have thought that.
Speaker 1: So we'll see where we land. Absolutely, Cheryl, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna let.
Speaker 3: You tell me you're leaving. I'm leaving Gloria, and I've
Speaker 3: got fat boy with me. We're taking off. So there.
Speaker 1: Take God, have a good weekend, Sugar
Speaker 3: Bye bye, Beddy,