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Speaker 1: Welcome to the crime round up, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Y'all better just get your spurs on, because I believe

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Speaker 2: that Miss Grace is going to come out swinging. Listen,

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Speaker 2: before we get deny cases, I do have to tell

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Speaker 1: Huck McCollum has got a new job.

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Speaker 2: He is no longer an investigator with the Public Defender's Office.

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Speaker 2: He is now an intake officer at the County for

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Speaker 2: Juvenile Court in the Cada Circuit. So I am so

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Speaker 2: happy he is now on the right side.

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Speaker 3: Praise of the Lord. It has taken all of my

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Speaker 3: threat not to discuss with him how wrong his job

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Speaker 3: was for him. Thank you, Thank you Heaven for helping

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Speaker 3: him what he'd be doing in juvenile intake. That's a

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Speaker 3: great place to start, do you do you remember, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: when I first toured it with the District Attorney's office,

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Speaker 3: and as you know, the elected DA, Lewis Slayton, was

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Speaker 3: like a grandfather to me and he longest starving DA

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Speaker 3: in the country at that time, about thirty seven years,

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Speaker 3: and he would start everybody first, we'd go through indictments

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Speaker 3: where you would, you know, learn to read files, read

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Speaker 3: person be charged with legally? Then we would what we

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Speaker 3: do do We do grand jury where you know, there's

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Speaker 3: not a defense attorney and uh there's no cross exam,

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Speaker 3: but the grand journals would ask a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: Can to be ready for that? Then we go to Jeevenile.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was working up to, where you know,

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Speaker 3: you see a lot of teams and younger that can

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Speaker 3: be helped. They can be help, they don't have to

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Speaker 3: have a life of crime. And there's so many others

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Speaker 3: that for various reasons, this is just their first pit stop.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what's going to be so great.

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Speaker 2: He'll be doing the intake, so he will have the

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Speaker 2: case from start to finish.

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Speaker 1: He'll get to know these young people.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be the one talking directly to the

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Speaker 2: judge to say they deserve a second chance, or we

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Speaker 2: need to monitor their behavior, you know, put them in

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Speaker 2: different programs to help them so that it's not a

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Speaker 2: life of crime. And what is so perfect Huck is

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Speaker 2: a second chance person. He just believes that people need,

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Speaker 2: And I think his experience with the public defender is

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Speaker 2: training for this job. So I think again one of

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Speaker 2: his gifts and I know i'm his mama, but this

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Speaker 2: is just the truth. Huck can take a ton of

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a Taylor made job.

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Speaker 3: This is a thing. You say, he's a second chance person,

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Speaker 3: and I think I know where he gets that from

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Speaker 3: his mom and dad. But that's the place for it, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: because I will never forget. And I'm thinking of one

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Speaker 3: being involved in a triple homeless side that I investigated

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Speaker 3: and prosecuted. And Cheryl, I remember him as a juvenile.

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Speaker 3: When I saw him come into court on that triple homicide,

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Speaker 3: which was years later, he was pacing back and forth.

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Speaker 4: I didn't understand what I was saying, but I could

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Speaker 4: see something bad had happened to him. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: And after that, after his third or fourth chance, he

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Speaker 3: just you have to take a chance right or wrong

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Speaker 3: and believe good. But your baby is gonna see a

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know. And I'm just proud of him.

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Speaker 2: And he's ready, and he's got so much support, and

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Speaker 3: Oh, dear Lord and heaven. I was having a perfectly

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Speaker 3: good morning, and then you bring up Allan. You know,

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Speaker 3: a new trial. Okay, they always want the case reverse

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Speaker 3: and I discussed this for a solid hour the other day.

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Speaker 3: You want to lay out the grounds for a new trial,

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Speaker 3: that they're claiming there's four of them.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're wanting a new trial based on quote new evidence,

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Speaker 2: and nothing that they have talked about is new.

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Speaker 1: The main thing that.

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Speaker 2: I just cannot even hardly contain just how disgusted I

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Speaker 2: am is that they're saying ron Logan did it.

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Speaker 1: They're going to blame it now on the dead guy.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'm glad you brought that up there.

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Speaker 3: Fourth thing and they are ron Logan's confession, Jill alleged,

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Speaker 3: trying to get a sweet deal like an order sentence modification.

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Speaker 3: But there's Ron Logan. There is the timing of the

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Speaker 3: white van going by as it affects how that correlates

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Speaker 3: to the GIRDL cell phones cutting off and saying that

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Speaker 3: that timing was impossible. Then there are two other climbs

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Speaker 3: off the top of my head, let's see what were they.

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Speaker 3: One it's about the transference, the transferral of Allen to

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Speaker 3: a different facility within DC to corporate corrections. They want

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Speaker 3: that cost Why why do you think, why does it

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Speaker 3: matter where he was housed, because that is where he

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Speaker 3: gave all those confessions. So if they can find a

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Speaker 3: back door way to get those confessed sixty one confessions suppressed,

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Speaker 3: and they'll do it. And there's one more. Let's see

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Speaker 3: what is the fourth one, Sheryl. Four reasons he but

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Speaker 3: for let me and dres ron Logan. You said, blame

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Speaker 3: the dead guy. You're so right, Cheryl, because there's plenty

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Speaker 3: of other people that they could have blamed. Who every

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Speaker 3: single person that the cops investigated is a potential scapegoat. Right.

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Speaker 3: You've got the one guy that was catfishing girls online

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Speaker 3: and he remember he used a body shot of a

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Speaker 5: This guy had stolen the hot dude's picture and was

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Speaker 3: He can't come into court and say what and the

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Speaker 3: jury would know, Okay, you're lying. There were a couple

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Speaker 3: of others that could have tried to blame. But who's

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Speaker 3: the perfect choice the dead guy.

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Speaker 1: Of course, here's what's so acid on. They had a troll.

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Speaker 1: They could have brought him up. They could have brought

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Speaker 2: But what do they do outside, What do they do

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Speaker 2: for the court of public opinion?

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Speaker 1: They tried to blame Libby's sister.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're going to get the internet trolls crazy again, Rita,

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Speaker 3: we know that happened. You and I saw it. I

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Speaker 3: the ones that said it. They said tried to blame

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Speaker 3: the victims, the dead little girl, victims sister for the murder.

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Speaker 3: I nearly did a backflip. That happened. I don't care

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Speaker 3: what anybody says. If the Angel Gabriel no offense, Gabriel,

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Speaker 3: don't get mad. This is just a comparison. If the

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Speaker 3: Angel Gabriel came down and said, Nancy, that didn't happen,

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Speaker 3: I would have to say, Gabriel, you're wrong, okay, because

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Speaker 3: it happened. I don't care what some internet troll says. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that wasn't attack in the court of public opinion, just

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Speaker 3: like Logan is. You know, I've been thinking a lot

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Speaker 3: about Logan because he tried to get an alibi for

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Speaker 3: the time of the murders, before it was even discovered

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Speaker 3: the girls had been murdered, they were just missing at

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Speaker 3: that time. The incident occurred on his property, and he

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Speaker 3: allegedly gave this confession. Now, who else heard any such

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Speaker 3: confession beside an inmate, do you know? Okay? And there

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Speaker 3: is the bullet, the bullet found between the girl's bodies

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Speaker 3: that directly relates back to Richard Allen's gun. Also, he

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Speaker 3: places himself at the scene wearing the same outfit as

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Speaker 3: the parent. And there's so much.

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Speaker 2: More when we are looking at what the defense has

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Speaker 2: done throughout, whether it's the udonism, the leaked photographs say

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Speaker 2: of the hair didn't match mister Allen, that he's delusional, Nancy,

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you he is still confessing today.

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Speaker 3: You know, after sixty one confessions to anybody that will listen,

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Speaker 3: why would he stop? Now?

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Speaker 1: That's right, he can't. He can't help us out.

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Speaker 3: You know, aside from his confessions. Though, let's just pretend, okay,

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Speaker 3: which is not true. Let's just pretend he was housed illegally,

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Speaker 3: that he should not have been transformed to that facility.

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Speaker 3: That is not a grounds to suppress a statement, any statement,

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Speaker 3: much less a confession, that's not gonna work. You know,

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Speaker 3: I respect him for trying, but that's not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: All in it new evidence when there's nothing new, it's

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Speaker 3: Well, here's another thing under the law. When you try

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Speaker 3: to get a case reversed based on quote newly discovered evidence,

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Speaker 3: it actually has to be new. So that defeats the

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Speaker 3: claim on raw logan. Because they knew that at the time,

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Speaker 3: they chose for that not to be the defense. They

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Speaker 3: wanted to go with Odinism instead. That for worshipers, the

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Speaker 3: Norse god worshippers, you know, the ones over in Iceland,

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Speaker 3: thinking about hate groups, they would be more likely to

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Speaker 3: was it some crazy oldness ritual which a lot of

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Speaker 3: Everybody stay quiet or was it hate group that have

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Speaker 3: to make that connection improve all of that. But that's

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Speaker 3: what they went with, and of course the judge disallowed it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why that an't do with Ron Logan

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Speaker 3: at the time. Of course, it's all a lie, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're just building a house of cards here.

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Speaker 1: All that's life.

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Speaker 2: But one made more sense. At least the FBI focused

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Speaker 2: on mister Logan. They actually served a warrant his phone

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Speaker 2: pinged they were on his property. That would have been

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Speaker 2: much easier for people to go. Well, it could be.

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Speaker 3: I wonder, Cheryl, why didn't they go with it. Do

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Speaker 3: you think the inmate fall apart when he couldn't get

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Speaker 3: a sweetheart deal on whatever he was in jail for.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the start was when he couldn't pass

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Speaker 2: a polygraph.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that's the start. But I mean

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Speaker 3: even I think even a line inmate might be better

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Speaker 3: than optimism. But again, you know, we're chasing our tails, right,

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Speaker 3: because none of this is true. Once we capture and

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Speaker 3: say we're not going to have anything anyway, it's a lie,

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Speaker 3: that's right. And the law is that if you're trying

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Speaker 3: to get a reversal based on nearly discovered in evidence

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Speaker 3: I guess what they were trying to argue is that

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Speaker 1: Nope, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Can we just get to Dennity real quick, please.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was just gonna say.

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Speaker 3: I mean, really have to leave the jail in the

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Speaker 1: And this is a knee injury twenty years in the past.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So all that time he was out, all that

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the knee pain came on about the

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Speaker 1: Don't you hate that hat? Don't you hate that? With that? Corresponds, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So he gets a superseding indictment. Why the lawyers talk

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Speaker 3: like that. They amended the indictment. They added some victims'

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Speaker 3: I guess his knee did, or makes my toothirt just

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Speaker 1: Didn't they add arson and other things?

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Speaker 3: They added arson. I believe he is accused of setting

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Speaker 3: not what it is. Kidnapp requires the non consensual moving

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Speaker 3: When you move somebody and guess what asportation requires no

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Speaker 3: specific distance, You can force somebody two inches improve asportation

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Speaker 3: technically a kidnapped. I think the kidnaps they're referring to

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Speaker 3: in the superseding indictment are much more severe than two inches.

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Speaker 3: But you know, that's where of the term false imprisonment

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Speaker 3: That would be kidnapping and false imprisonment. So it's got

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Speaker 2: You know, the folks in the Department of Corrections, they've

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Speaker 2: I'm sure this is bogus. They can't ignore it.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you everybody in MDC Metropolitan Attention Center this

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Speaker 3: Why does he get to leave the general and go

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Speaker 3: that somehow he's denied his constitutional right because he couldn't

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Speaker 2: Saying guards, when somebody makes a medical outcry, they cannot

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Speaker 1: Just go ah, he's a liar, he's a god artist.

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Speaker 1: They have to make sure they have medical assistants. They

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Speaker 3: It suddenly starts hurting as soon as added doctors hand down. Okay,

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Speaker 3: When Sean comes, they might not be able. Come on,

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Speaker 1: That's right. And you know, any.

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Speaker 2: The hook, and he may believe that he can convince

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Speaker 1: May are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: Of course he does.

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Speaker 3: Mean to look out for. I'd really be watching out

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Speaker 1: He's still got some sidekicks.

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Speaker 3: So I'm worried about that. I'm just worried about so

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Speaker 1: I got you and listen.

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Speaker 2: I hate to cut this short, but I get to

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Speaker 3: Crimes saying, why don't you save yourself in a real fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm helping the students at Atlanta Technical College, and let

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Speaker 1: They are awesome.

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Speaker 3: If they're helping any If you're all about helping people,

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Speaker 1: I'm about that girl. Send me.

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Speaker 2: You need to send me to Kentucky. That's where I

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Speaker 2: want to go with you, the sheriff that got the judge?

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Speaker 1: Why would I see? Do you?

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Speaker 3: And I want to go myself.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I want to go with you.

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Speaker 3: What do you believe and of course the state never

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Speaker 1: I believe you're going to see a layered motive.

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Speaker 1: And here's what it came down to to me. It

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, put your pantson.

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Speaker 2: That's right because think about when the call was made.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see where we land. Absolutely, Cheryl, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: You tell me you're leaving. I'm leaving Gloria, and I've

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Speaker 1: Take God, have a good weekend, Sugar

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Speaker 3: Bye bye, Beddy,