WEBVTT - Forrest Gump with Maia aka Broey Deschanel 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.879 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.280 bast start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:22.240 Jamie, but the Bechdel Cast is like a box of chocolates. Okay, 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:24.919 explain that. Do you never know what you're gonna get? 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.040 Are we gonna reference Shrek? Maybe? 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:30.960 I don't know. Almost the last time we gave people 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:32.600 something they didn't know they were gonna get. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.800 You know what, You're right, it's pretty predictable. We're probably 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.640 gonna again reference Shrek or Titanic or Minions. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.360 I will say, when it comes to the Life of 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.640 Forrest Gump, I did not know what I was gonna get. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.920 For example, I didn't expect the KKK to come up 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.840 in the first five minutes of this movie. I'll be honest. Yeah, 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.240 I'll be honest. And I also didn't expect him to 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.360 give John Lennon the idea for this song imagine. So 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.480 you know, if nothing else, this movie delivers on the 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.720 promise I did not know what was gonna happen next, 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:10.640 even if very often it had me screaming at my roku. H. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.759 So today's episode, I feel like it's a long time 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.600 coming Forrest Gump. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.600 Yeah, I'm surprised we haven't talked about it yet. I 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.200 think I've been like kind of quietly refusing to talk 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.040 about it for a long time because it's one of 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.679 those movies that I'm like almost impressed. It's taken me 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.160 this long to see. But it's over. Now we can 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.800 finally go to Bubba Gump, Yes, and really explore how 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:39.200 I was like, how do they present the characters in 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.319 the restaurant? Like, are they like rip Bubba in the restaurant? 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.280 I don't remember. I've only been once, and so I 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.880 can't say for certain. We'll find out soon because we're going, 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:51.640 Jamie and. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.680 I, we're going. We're going to the city walk Bubba Gump, 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.760 and we're gonna it's a business expense. Isn't that thrilling? 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.160 It's thrilling. By the way, let us enter duce ourselves. Hi, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.440 my name's Caitlin Caitlyn Derante. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.200 Oh, my name is Jamie Jamie Loftus. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.440 And this is our podcast where we examine movies through 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.400 an intersectional feminist lens using the Bechdel Test simply as 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:18.440 a jumping off point to initiate larger discussions about representation 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.679 and things. What's the Bechtel test though. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.560 Oh thank you for asking, yeh. Media metric originally created 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.200 by Alison Bechdel, often called the Bechdel Wallace Test because 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.240 it was co created with Liz Wallace. Originally created as 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.040 a queer media test, but has since been applied to 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.959 a far larger swath of media. Lots of versions of 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.320 the test. The one we use requires that two people 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.240 of a marginalized gender with names talk to each other 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.240 about something other and a man. Many movies pass it 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.760 now still some don't, but this is just how we 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.520 sort of start the discussion, and it's still to this 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.960 day my favorite way to tell. When people are lying 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.480 about talking about the show. They're like, yeah, for two hours, 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.360 you just pour over the script and you're like, no, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.640 that's a man. Next time. Anyways, today we're covering Forrest 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.680 Gump and we have the perfect guest, which is why 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.720 it is time to cover this movie. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.920 We sure do. She is a YouTuber and video says 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:23.840 she is host of rehash podcast. It's may aka Broi 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:24.520 da Chanel. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.720 Welcome, Thanks, guys. How's it going. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:33.280 Oh, it's just fine and dandy, splendid, guys. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.560 This movie is so long. I feel like now when 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.400 I look at a certain run time and I know 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.080 it's not gonna be a movie for me, I'm like, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.480 don't piss me off. This is wild. This is as 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:44.240 long as wicked. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.920 I sat down to rewatch it with my two friends 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.480 yesterday and I invited them over for seven pm. It's like, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.040 I gotta go to bed early. I'm so tired. They 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.520 talked until nine pm, so like we didn't really get 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.080 started till then. And then I was like, guys, I 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.480 just remember the movies two and a half hour long. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.400 Like we got a start and they didn't leave till 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:03.400 like twelve thirty. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.280 Good for them for sticking it out. That's really brave. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.520 I know they wanted to watch like a really artsy movie, 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.800 and they wanted to go to like Anthology, which is 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.440 like this theater in New York, and I was like, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.600 how about instead you come over and watch Forrest Gump 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:17.520 with me. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:24.839 Very money trauma. Yeah, that theater rocks. Yeah, this what 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.360 a journey. And obviously, I mean, we'll be linking your 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.560 video in the description, but The reason we're bringing you 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.720 on for this is because you've recently released an incredible 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.880 video about the political legacy of this movie, as well 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.839 as the adaptation from book to film, which I knew 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.279 nothing about on your channel. So I'm curious to start. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.520 What is your history with this movie. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.719 Yeah, I watched Forrest Gump for the first time. I 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.480 think it was like early high school. I was probably 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.640 in grade nine, as week Canadians put it ninth grade. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.080 Very de grassy, coded of you. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:04:59.719 It's so grassy. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.839 I know how to talk to Canadian people. It's like 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:03.320 they flip it. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.239 We flip it. Yeah, And I went to my aunt's 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.360 house and I would like, I sometimes would go in 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.640 her bedroom and she has like a TV, and I'd 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.200 watched a movie in there while she and the adults talked. 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.880 So I went into the room and watched Forrest Gump, 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.440 and I loved it. Like back then especially, I just 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.200 felt very swept up in the emotion of it. I 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.040 think it's a really emotionally powerful movie and it does 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.440 a really good job of that. I think it's a 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.599 really competent movie. And so by the end, I was like, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.600 oh my god, that was so beautiful. I was solving. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.120 I was like, I miss Jenny two. And then I 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.000 hadn't watched it for years, and then a few months ago, 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.640 I was like, wouldn't it be kind of cool? Like 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.200 I started learning more about the film's place in popular 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.040 culture and the way that it's kind of aged and 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.080 spoiler alert, it hasn't aged well, and I thought it'd 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:50.719 be interesting to kind of go back and do a 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.800 retrospective on the film. And so in September I went 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.560 back and I rewatched it, and then I started reading 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.560 more about it, and the more I read about it, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.080 the more I started to kind of really dislike it, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.480 which is unfortunate, but because I don't want to come 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.320 out of a video with that feeling. But that's just 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.040 kind of how it went. But it was a really 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:13.120 rich It was a hotbed for takes. And then I 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.320 had seen it probably for that month because of the research. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:16.960 I'd watched it about five times, and I was like, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.440 I'm never gonna watch this movie again. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:18.960 Oh no. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.920 And then you guys reached it though, and I was like, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:26.440 they pulled me back in and so here I am, sorry, no, no, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.480 and I'm really pumped because where else would I want 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.640 to talk about this more than on the Bechdel cast, 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:32.160 no less. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.440 So thank you for watching it for the sixth time 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.000 this calendar year. So sorry, that's like almost a full 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.839 I can't do math. It's a lot of time. I 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.200 was gonna say, that's three days. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.960 It's okay. I can call myself a Forrest Gump expert, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.719 like proudly, and so I think I think that's fine. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.040 You know, sometimes you have to be an expert in something. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.520 It's true. I mean, we'll talk about this after the 0:06:55.640 --> 0:07:00.440 recap more. But I was very taken aback by how 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.880 this movie has been a hotbed for takes since it 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.360 came out, like it predates the subsequent internet discourses by 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.280 a lot, and then is somehow continuing into this press 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.840 cycle for here is that what it's called? 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.760 Oh the way, the Robert Zemeckis movie of twenty twenty 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.640 four that has the same cast because it's Tom Hanks 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:22.600 and Robin Wright. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.640 Yeah, so there's been another sort of round of discourse 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.440 about it in the last like two months because Robin 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.560 Wright was asked about the character Jenny on a press tour. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.920 So it's like he's inescapable, He's everywhere. Caitlin what's your 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:40.360 history with Forrest Gump? 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:45.560 Okay, I have what might be a rather shocking history 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:51.200 with this movie. I have seen the movie probably seventy 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.040 or eighty times throughout my life. Although most of it, yeah. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.840 You don't like a movie halfway. I will say. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:05.520 It's when I really like something, I commit. But I 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.840 would say like ninety five percent of those viewings were very, 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:14.320 very concentrated between age like ten and twelve. So the 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:18.400 movie came out when I was eight years old. I 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.880 don't think I saw it until probably a year later 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.600 we got it on VHS, and it probably took me 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.840 a little while too, like because I was just sort 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.760 of like, what's this movie? Because my mom would be like, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.440 leave me alone, go watch something. 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.920 Shout out to Laurie. It was definitely listening. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:37.320 You know. 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.840 She did a great job raising me, but sometimes she 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.280 was just like, go watch a movie. So eventually I 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.920 discovered Forrest Gump. I think it was probably nine or ten, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.520 And I don't know why I took to it so much, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.080 because it was not like anything else I was watching 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.480 at that age, but I became obsessed and I would 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.160 probably watch it every few days. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:08:59.720 Wow. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.960 And I did that until Titanic came out, and those 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:11.679 two VHS's really replaced Forrest Gump in my movie watching circulation. 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.719 So from age twelve, I think I probably only saw 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.240 it once or twice, maybe like a couple times as 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.559 a teenager, maybe once in college, but for those few years, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.960 I was like enthralled by it. There are things about 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.200 American history that I first learned about from this movie, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.760 not that it really dives deep into any of those things, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.520 but like I probably didn't know what the Vietnam War 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.320 was until I watched this movie. I didn't know about 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.640 like racial segregation until this movie. I didn't know about 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.640 a bunch of things until I saw this movie. Also, 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.959 the soundtrack introduced me to a lot of iconic songs 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.120 from the sixties and seventies that I probably wouldn't have 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.200 been exposed to really otherwise. 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.480 Yeah, the needle Drops, You can't argue with the needle drops, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:00.760 simply cannot. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.000 They're really running through like every top song of the sixties. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.480 They hit every single one of. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.839 Them, back to back to it. Like sometimes I think 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.480 there was a run of like four in a row. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.520 You're like, damn budget, Like it felt like a Scorsese movie. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:20.120 You're just saying, so I have a very weird history 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.600 with this movie, and then I kind of just forgot 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:27.040 about it and didn't care about it, and probably upon retrospect, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.400 was like, I don't think that movie's very good, but 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.640 I didn't really go back and check until prepping for 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.760 this episode. I'm very excited to talk about it. There's 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:40.880 much to discuss and my yea, your video essay is incredible. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.040 Thank you, Jamie. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.560 What is your history with the movie? 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:50.040 Ah? Nothing. This is one of the movies that I Yeah, 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.319 I don't know exactly why it took me so long 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.560 to watch this, but once I realized, I think like 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.280 sometime in college, I was like, wow, I've never seen 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.160 Forrest Gump, And instead of being like I should watch 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.120 it and educate myself, I'm like, let me see how 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.679 far into my life I can get without seeing it, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.960 which is all the way until this weekend. Yeah, I'm 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.679 very interested to talk about how this because at first, 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.800 like on my first view, I was like I don't 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.000 get it. But the more I talked to people who 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.040 had like a childhood appreciation of this movie, I was like, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:24.520 I think I was like a baby when this came out, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.800 so I wouldn't have seen it until later anyways. But 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.800 my boyfriend also has like a strong attachment to this movie, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.920 and similar to you, Caitlin said that like he learned 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.120 about like a few pieces of American history that he 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.360 didn't know about before then either. And I still am like, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.560 it is wild to me that this movie, which is 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.640 two and a half hours long and a prestige drama, 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.240 was holding the attention of children. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.000 Makes no sense. Cannot explain, but it. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.800 Seems that there are many such cases. Yeah, I don't know. 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.000 I remember, like my dad didn't like this movie. I 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.920 don't know why. I can't tell you why, but I 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.079 think he was just like, no long boring, Let's watch 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.640 Peewey's Pick Adventure, and so we would nice. So yeah, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:14.040 I'm coming in very fresh on this movie and I'm 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.920 excited to talk about it because, like you were saying 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.440 a little earlier, my yeah, I mean, I think it 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:24.560 is clearly a beautifully made movie, and it just feels like, yeah, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.280 this early hardbinger of like maybe Robert Zemechis is not 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.400 a historical film kind of guy. Maybe he has no 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.920 interest in it, or at least meaningful interest in it. 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:42.480 If Rowers Megas has one hater, it's me. I dislike 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.000 him more than even the movie. I dislike him a lot. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.440 I was shocked at some of the clips that you 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.120 found of him being like, no, I didn't read the book, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.079 Like reading sucks. It was like whoa. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.839 Well, to be fair, that's also us on the Bechdel cast, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.840 we would never read a book. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.040 But if you're gonna make the movie, you should probably 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:03.000 finish the book. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.959 Yeah, he's just a part of this cohort of like 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.520 directors that are very thing go boom, like that's their 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.360 whole their whole approach to filmmaking, their like thing go boom, 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.800 no talking single boom, And that's that's really him. And 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.880 he's he's making things go boom in this movie. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.640 He real, really is. I was like, I like him 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.840 at the I mean, I'm a Roger Rabbit head. I 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.760 can't take that from him. Roger Rabbit and death becomes her. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.640 I do love me as well. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.160 I'm a big Back to the Future head. Famously, he's 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.640 and this is the thing, he's a great filmmaker. Poor Express, 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:37.360 I love it. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.880 That was maybe the hottest take in your entire video, 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.400 because you're like Polar Express actually good thought. Love that 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:51.800 that is the least scary of his animated movies in retrospect. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.760 Oh yeah, we should say. Robert Zemeckis of Disney's Pinocchio 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.240 twenty twenty two Fame Yes, which was, of course one 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.839 of the brave soldiers of the Pinocchio Wars. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.800 I think that's our best Patreon series ever. The Pinocchio 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:10.080 Wars was. You know, if there's anything to sell people 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:14.480 on the Matreon, it's the Pinocchio Wars months Because why 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.280 was Pinocchio so top of mind for so many in 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:21.400 twenty twenty two. We'll never know. We'll never know. Yeah, 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.840 Tom Hanks, that was I feel like that really sort 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.280 of unfortunately was the bell toll of Tom at the 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.920 beginning of Tom hanks flop era a bit was his 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:36.160 weird drunken interpretation of Geppetto. Anyway, that's for the Pinocchio Wars, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.600 all right, So I guess let's uh, let's. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.000 Take a break and then come back for the recap 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.640 and we're back, okay, So I'll do what ended up 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.680 being such a long I tried to trim it down 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.520 and I left a bunch of stuff out which we 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.080 can get into more. During the discussion. But there's just 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.320 so much that happens in this movie that I inevitably 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.480 skip over some stuff. I will also place a content 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:16.800 warning here for sexual abuse and assault, suicidal ideation, things 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:17.440 of that nature. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.600 Yeah, trigger warning for everything that happens to Jenny. Basically, yeah, truly. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:28.080 Okay. So we follow a feather floating through the air 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.280 and landing at the feet of Forrest Gump played by 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:33.040 Tom Hanks. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:34.640 Could it be a metaphor? 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:36.720 I don't know, Maybe, I don't know. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:41.400 Also some extremely sentimental music, yeah, continue throughout. 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:46.040 Yes, Yeah. I found the score to be so grating. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:48.240 Very saccurate. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:54.200 Yeah. I played that in a high school orchestra. I 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.360 didn't even realize that that was like what it was. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:57.680 I was like, where do I know that? I was like, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:58.920 I know the obol part. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.560 Oh classic? Yea, oh okay. So Forrest Gump is sitting 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.120 on a bench at a bus stop. It is nineteen 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.000 eighty one. A woman comes down and sits next to him, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.240 and he introduces himself. He offers her a chocolate and 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.800 then says the famous line my mom always said, life 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.000 is like a box of chocolates. You never know what 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.240 you're gonna get and then he starts relaying his entire 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.040 life story to this woman who has no interest in 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:33.400 talking to him, and we flash back to Forrest as 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:37.920 a child in the nineteen fifties. He lives with his mom, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.480 played by Sally Field. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.000 And the wigs they're using on this poor woman, Oh, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.360 as they begin to age her, I'm just like, this 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:50.360 isn't fair. The great Sally Field and we're putting these diegessts. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.280 Like Nicole Kidman level wigs. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:52.840 Brutal. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.520 She's rocking an incredible accent, though, one that I really 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:57.520 am jealous of. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:04.200 She rocks. So she runs a boarding house just outside Greenbow, Alabama. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:10.240 Forrest has braces on his legs as well as an 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.760 intellectual disability. His mom wants him to get the same 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:18.800 education as other kids, so she sleeps with a school 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.280 administrator so that he will let Forrest go to public 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:27.080 school and not a like quote unquote special school as 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:28.440 they call it in the movie. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.240 So Yes, in the first ten minutes, we first learned 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.080 that he is named after the Grand Wizard of the KKK, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.840 and this thing with the mom happens, and I was like, 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:41.240 why were six year olds watching it? What that's going on? 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.280 The craziest part about the KKK thing is, and I 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.440 didn't catch this till this viewing, was that his reasoning 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.639 was that he was, like my mom said, it's because 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:51.639 sometimes people do crazy things. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.240 Yeah, and now we're supposed to be like deeply invested 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:59.080 in this woman's journey for three hours, like it's. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.880 Just And this is also the beginning of a trend 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:10.760 throughout the movie where Forrest very wildly miss understands and 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:18.000 like miss describes different historical events or cultural events, and 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:23.080 he has a very like naive and childlike understanding of 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.600 the world in this I think the first example we 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:26.560 see of it. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.440 Which for adult viewers is very like wink and nod. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.840 But if you're six and watching this movie, I would 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.800 imagine it would be a little confusing. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.920 Yeah, I can speak from experience. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.720 The movie is really full of like little nods to 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.119 Americans being like remember that thing. But then sometimes the 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:46.959 nod is like remember the KKK. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:52.400 You remember the the movie just started. Not to mention 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.199 that the person that Forrest is talking to for the 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.080 first I think like hour of the movie is a 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.679 working class black woman, and the first he brings up 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.280 is like, so I'm named after the Grand Wizards of KKK, 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.600 and I'm like, Forrest. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:07.359 Can read the room. 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:08.119 Sure. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.399 So then it's forces first day of school. The kids 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.800 on the bus are very cruel to him, and no 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.520 one will let him sit next to them, except for Jenny. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:24.639 She and Forrest become best friends, and one day some 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:31.359 kids are bullying Forest and Jenny says the famous line, Run, Forest, Run. 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.800 So he starts to run away, but the braces on 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.720 his legs mean that he can't move very fast until 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:45.600 the braces start to break off and he's magically cured 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:46.720 of his disability. 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.680 We'll get back to that, yeah. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:53.600 And he runs so fast away from the bullies, and 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:58.280 from that day forward he was always running. Jenny and 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.240 Forrest remain friends through high school. Jenny's now played by 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.400 Robin Wright. There is another scene where Forrest runs away 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:11.160 from bullies onto a college football practice and the coaches 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.000 see how fast he is, so they recruit him to 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:18.679 play football for I think the University of Alabama. So 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.960 he goes to college, and while he's there, here's another 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:29.160 example of like, he doesn't understand systemic racism because there's 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:33.679 a movement to desegregate the university, and he doesn't understand 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.600 what's going on, he accidentally kind of like interferes with it. 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.760 One night, Forrest visits Jenny, who goes to a nearby 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:46.800 women's college. She brings him to her dorm room, takes 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:50.560 off her bra, puts his hand on her breast, and 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.000 the consent or lack thereof is also something we can 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.560 discuss later, but it's implied that this is his first 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:03.679 ever sexual experience with another person. He also prematurely jacket 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.200 ejaculated yeah, in front. 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.679 Of her roommate, and when they cut to the roommate, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.880 I was like, I. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:13.400 Was like, that's the movie's one joke that's funny. 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.080 So there's like this arguably a sexual assault scene that 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.720 ends in like a jokey button and you're just like, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:26.480 what's going on? Anyway, we kind of skip ahead. He 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.159 graduates from college after of course, meeting President John F. 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:34.280 Kennedy for being a college football star, the first of 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:38.359 many presidents he will meet, and then he enlists in 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:43.280 the army, where he meets and befriends Bubba played by 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:48.760 Michelt Williamson, whose family is in the shrimping business and 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:54.879 Bubba's whole personality is shrimp. That's really all we know 0:21:54.960 --> 0:22:01.120 about Bubba, and before Forrest is shipped off to Vietnam, 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.240 he gets a chance to go and see Jenny perform. 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.800 She is now a folk singer. She is doing a 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.080 show in a strip club type place. Way what was 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:12.959 her like stage name Bobby Dylan. 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.840 Okay, yeah, she wants to be Joan Bias. She's being 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:19.600 naked Joan Bias. 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.359 Which is like, I mean I and again because it 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:24.639 kind of the politics and tones of this movie, this 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.040 is made out to be like the worst and most 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.480 humiliating thing that could possibly happen to Jenny. But I 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.200 was like, that seems like, you know, with the right crowd, 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.800 that could be actually quite fun. Uh, naked folks singing 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:37.359 I'm in. 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.960 I was also kind of like, I'm quite fascinated by 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.040 this club and the nature and the rules of the club, 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.679 and and how like she's not dancing, she's just and 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.520 she's covered fully with the guitar. 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:51.679 I was like, hmm, yeah, the guys jeering at her, 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.920 you know, I was like, are they folk fit? 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:55.239 Like? 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.240 What is in everyone singing folk? Is it just her? 0:22:58.920 --> 0:22:59.359 We don't know. 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.199 I go the Empress and she had asked that this 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.080 is my like the lore, I creative, but I was like, 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:04.760 maybe should asked the manager, and she's like, I have 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.520 this huge interest in Joe Bias. I'm gonna be famous 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:10.440 one day, Like, can you let me one night do this? 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:12.840 It just reminds me of the clubs in like Flash 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:14.879 Dance too, where you're like that club, is that a 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:19.800 strip club or is that like a fantasy club? Right? 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.280 And they're like, due to like wanting to release this 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.440 movie internationally, we refuse to get more specific about what's 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.000 going on here. Right Anyways, all I say I would 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:31.560 go to that club. It kind of looks like a 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:35.000 Jumbo's clown room kind of thing, right. Yeah, She's like, 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:36.400 do whatever you want, have some fun. 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:36.960 It does. 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.840 Yeah, they just put on fun little variety shows. You 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:41.080 can do whatever act you want. 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.640 Naked cabaret, I guess cabarets are also naked sometimes. 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:47.359 So wait, Kitlyn, did you ever do that naked stand 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:48.880 up show when we lived in Boston. 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:51.680 I didn't do the version of it where you were 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.679 fully naked. There was like a swimsuit edition and I 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:59.880 did that. Okay, So I was a coward not willing 0:23:59.920 --> 0:24:03.520 to show my titties on stage. I mean, which I 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.399 would absolutely do right now today, I would have no 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:07.199 qualms about that. 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:09.640 I did that show then. I don't think I would 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:13.320 do it now. But I used to be a tech 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.159 for that show too, and so like they had all 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.679 those weird draconian Massachusetts rules for like what you can 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.639 and can't do on stage, where they're like it's considered 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.720 art as long as you don't touch anybody or anything. 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.840 Like you couldn't have anything with you because they're like, 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:33.080 if you touch another person, it's porn. So you couldn't 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.760 even shake the hand of the host or it legally 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:40.439 became like a second like it was so in the host. 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.359 This guy Andy was so intense about it. He's like, 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.840 I will go to jail if you shake my hand. 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.560 What What was the crowd like at this type of event? 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.760 All old men who didn't know how to access porn online, 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.840 which is why I would not do it today. It 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.840 was all old men that were like h Like I 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.240 just wanted to give them a laptop and be like, 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:04.160 get out of here. 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:08.200 Once you've done naked stand up, you can do anything though, 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.600 Like that's that's incredible. 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:15.359 It's true. Once you've stood before someone's pea paw with 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:21.800 your titius out, your pipe out. Just what a time. Anyways, 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:25.640 I felt as a Jenny fan, I was like, all right, 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.399 all right, we're all on the same page here. That 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:29.440 looks like a fun show. 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.120 I'm getting what she's putting down right right. 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:38.399 So we're at this show and some of the audience members, 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.520 you know, creepy men, are trying to grab her. So 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:45.679 Forrest intervenes and like saves her. We've seen him do 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:49.320 this before when they were in college. She's pissed that 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:52.760 he's always trying to rescue her and Forrest says, I 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:56.240 can't help it. I love you. And she says, you 0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:00.800 don't know what love is, Forrest, and this will come 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.760 back later, but she goes to leave. Before she does, 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:08.199 she tells him that if anything happens while he is 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.560 in the war in Vietnam, he should just run. He 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:13.919 shouldn't try to be brave, he should do what he 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.760 does best and run away. And he says okay, and 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:22.080 they part ways, and then Forest and Bubba are shipped 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:27.680 to Vietnam. There they meet Lieutenant Dan played by Gary Sonise. 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:33.800 Their platoon goes around the countryside on foot. They endure 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:35.160 the rainy season. 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:40.119 Every hit of this calendar year plays in rapid succession. 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:41.080 It's kind of fun. 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:46.439 Yeah, it's a good soundtrack. Bubba asks Forrest if he 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.040 wants to go into the shrimping business with him when 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:53.520 they get out of the war, and Forrest agrees. But 0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:59.240 shortly thereafter, there's an ambush and Forrest runs away to safety, 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:02.720 just like Jenny told him to, though he does go 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:07.960 back and save several fellow soldiers, including Lieutenant Dan, whose 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:09.720 legs have been injured. 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.840 Who's begging him not to save him because Lieutenant Dan's 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.800 ancestors all died in every American war and so he 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:18.600 wants to also live out that legacy. 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:23.560 Yes, indeed, but Forest ignores his orders and saves Lieutenant 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:29.600 Dan anyway. He also does find Bubba, but he's badly wounded, 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:34.440 and Bubba dies in Forrest's arms. Forrest is also wounded, 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:39.000 he was shot in the buttocks, so he's released from 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.480 active duty while he recovers, and during this time he 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.760 learns how to play ping pong and he becomes this 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:50.840 like ping pong champ. Meanwhile, Lieutenant Dan, whose legs have 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:54.399 been amputated, is resentful that Forrest saved him because he 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:57.080 felt he was destined to die in battle, and so 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.199 now he has no idea what he's going to do 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:03.240 with his life. Then Forrest is sent home and awarded 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:07.439 the Congressional Medal of Honor. He goes to meet President 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:11.280 Lyndon Johnson. He flashes his ass on TV to show 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.399 the wound, and also while he's in Washington, d C. 0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:20.200 He accidentally gets shuffled into a crowd of veterans who 0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:23.560 are anti war protesters, and he ends up on stage 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:27.080 in front of a crowd of thousands at the Washington Monument. 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:31.840 With Abby Hoffman, who I don't think that he's orally identified, 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:33.840 but I like double checked and is definitely supposed to 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:34.160 be him. 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.920 He's definitely supposed to be Abbi Hoffman. And the way 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.040 that they like, the way that they characterize Abbi Hoffman's 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.280 legacy is just so insulting and they're like that man 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.800 swollen a lot. Yes, I have to say, he's in 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.360 the F word a lot. Yeah, so disrespectful. 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.680 I mean, I'm very excited to talk about the adaptation 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:58.040 change made here after the recap, because like, we'll never 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.640 know what Forrest really thought about the Vietnam War. 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.520 Not according to the movie. At least. Yeah, so Forest 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.800 is about to like speak, but a soldier, a cop 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.840 somebody pulls out all of the microphone plugs, so we 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.160 don't hear what Forest has to say about the war, 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:20.360 and lo and behold, Jenny is there at this demonstration, 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:25.720 and she and Forrest reunite and the crowd cheers, and 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.600 so Jenny and Forest hang out. She catches him up 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:32.200 on her life. She is a hippie now she has 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.600 traveled around a bunch. She takes him to a black 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:40.040 panther meetup and we can talk more about this scene later. 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.680 But Forrest gets in a fight with Jenny's abusive boyfriend. 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:48.000 Yeah, any scene that's about systemic racism they managed to make. 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.760 They're like, actually, wait, let's actually get back to Forrest, 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.160 like within fifteen seconds of arriving, for sure. 0:29:54.520 --> 0:30:00.360 Yeah, So this altercation happens, and then Jenny leaves again 0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:05.440 out of Forrest's life. Some time passes. He plays on 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.640 the All American Ping pong team and competes in China. 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.920 Then he goes on a talk show hosted by someone 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.560 who I'm probably supposed to know who that is, but 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.280 I'm too young. I dkay oh, Dick Cavot I love 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:20.840 Dick Caaviot. 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:22.840 Oh it's Dick Kaviot. I'll come out right now and 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.360 say I loved it, right, got it, got it. 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.120 Wow, the John Lennon scene took me out. I love 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:31.360 the John Lennon seed. 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.640 Make John Lennon's head looks so big, but I feel 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.080 like freamously, John Lennon had a tiny head, and so 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.680 for some reason, it just I can't. I can't embrace 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:43.120 the scene. 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.840 You know, he does look like like a Sanrio character 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.360 the way that they've like edited him, but I just 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:55.480 oh my god, when he's like and no religion too dying. 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.640 So the thing here is that John Lennon is also 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.280 a guest on this talk show, and it's implied that 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:05.000 a few of the things that Forrest says inspires lyrics 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:09.480 to John Lennon's imagine it's only the whole movie. 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:11.720 We're that goofy. 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:13.840 Yeah. Right. 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:19.520 So then Forrest reunites with Lieutenant Dan, who is bitter 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:24.120 and he is dealing with alcoholism. Forrest tells him his 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.760 plan to become a shrimp boat captain because he had 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:30.120 made a promise to Bubba, and Lieutenant Dan is like, yeah, 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.600 all right, the day you become a shrimp boat captain. 0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.840 I'll come and be your first mate. So then they 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:42.400 celebrate New Year's Eve together. They bond over being marginalized 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:48.160 for their disabilities. Then Forrest meets President Nixon. I forget 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.000 why this time. It's maybe a ping pong it's a. 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:57.120 Ping pong related thing. Yeah, And then he starts Watergate. Yeah. 0:31:56.480 --> 0:32:02.400 He exposes the Watergate scandal or something. Yeah, Forrest does, 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.400 and then he's discharged from the Army, so he returns 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:11.040 home to Alabama to see his mom. He takes the 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.080 twenty five thousand dollars that he was paid to endorse 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:19.240 a ping pong paddle brand and he buys a shrimping 0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.640 boat with it, but he is not very good at 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:25.240 shrimping at first. He names his boat Jenny, and he 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.560 spends most of his time thinking about Jenny, who meanwhile 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:35.760 is dealing with drug addiction with suicidal ideation. These are 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:40.000 things that Forrest has no idea about, and according to 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:45.320 the movie, probably wouldn't understand anyway because of his extreme naivete. 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:50.080 And then one day, Lieutenant Dan shows up to honor 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.959 his promise that he would be Forrest's first mate, so 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.080 they start shrimping together, and all. 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.080 Of a sudden, his hair is like really beautiful. 0:32:58.600 --> 0:32:59.920 I love luscious. 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:01.280 He started conditioning. 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:06.840 Yeah, Lieutenant Dan's like shrimping. Look. I love he has 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:07.280 a lot of. 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.280 Looks in this movie, like a lot of like the 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.800 evolution of getting more snatched as the movie goes upon 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:12.240 or something. 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:17.000 It's like, I like his Hawaiian shirt, like wavy conditioned 0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.320 hair moment, it's like, wow, that's I love how that 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.720 they're like, Okay, he's not as much of an alcoholic 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.880 now because look at his hair, and you're like, okay, okay, 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:26.480 I got it. 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.120 Yeah, he got his hands on a bottle of herbal 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:36.200 Essence Swish and they turned his whole life around. So 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.920 they're shrimping together now, but they're still having bad. Look 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:44.120 until a storm brings in a bunch of shrimp, and 0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:48.000 there's like this whole like forest preyed very hard, and 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:51.280 maybe that's what brought all this shrimp in, but anyway, 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.440 they have all this shrimp now. This storm also shipwrecked 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:58.120 all the other local shrimp boats, which the movie nor 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:02.880 Forest has any empathy for that happening. They just breeze 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:03.520 right past that. 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.160 He becomes a shrimp millionaire. 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:08.160 Yeah right, Also like highly likely the people who run 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:09.480 those bods are like black. 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.959 Right, Yeah? That it is like it's like most likely 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.960 of like majority black business was just decimated and they're like, 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:17.200 and now here's this guy. 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:18.920 This is great for Forrest. 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.200 Yeah right exactly. That's how the movie feels about it. 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.919 Then Forrest receives word that his mom has fallen ill, 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.920 so he goes home to see her. She dies a 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:29.600 short time. 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.640 Later, and that wig in a wig. 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:37.640 He decides not to return to shrimping, especially after Lieutenant 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:42.880 Dan invests. They're already millions of dollars in apple, making 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:47.680 him like mega rich. But he's so generous with his 0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:50.160 money and he donates some of it to the church 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.360 and a hospital and Bubba's family. 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.799 When I watched the Apple scene, I like turned to 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:57.600 my friends and I was like, did you know Joan 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.600 Bias dated Steve Jobs? Is that true? 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:01.040 I don't know. 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:02.760 That isn't that crazy? 0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:04.720 WHOA? 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:08.240 Maybe disappointing even Yeah, I mean that's a bummer. 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.600 It's like, I guess this isn't as disappointing, But I 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:15.719 think a lot about Steve Wozniak and Kathy Griffin that date. 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.319 Yeah, whoa, I didn't know that either. 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.040 I have such a strong memory. And like, she's to 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:22.640 have a reality show that I think was on when 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:24.560 I was in middle school and he was like on 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:26.040 it and they were like on a date and they 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:33.240 were on segways or something. And anyways, those guys, those guys, wow, 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:37.279 Joan Bias what like Steve. Yeah, that is a little disappointing, 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.680 but also it was like I wouldn't have expected jobs 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:40.600 to have that kind of pull. 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:41.080 Well. 0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.839 I still am confused by Grimes marrying Elon Musk like that. 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.400 That's no sense to me. So many cases, so many cases. 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.800 Yeah. 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:54.600 Anyway, So Forrest is now a bazillionaire and one day 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.440 Jenny shows up at his house and stays with him 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.839 for a while. He asks her to marry him, and 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.040 he says, I'm not a smart man, but I know 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:09.000 what love is, in reference to her telling him earlier 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.000 that he doesn't know what love is. He insists that 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:12.480 he does. 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.279 The way Tom Hanks delivers that line, it does get 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:15.959 me every time. 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.040 Yeah, it's a good moment. 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.200 He's really good in this movie. 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.680 It sucks that he's good in this movie. 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:25.440 Yeah. 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:29.520 Again, I saw this as a child on repeat for 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.040 a few years, And that was the only Tom Hanks 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.959 movie that I saw during that period, and the first 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:38.120 Tom Hanks movie I ever saw, So I just thought 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.640 he was like that. I didn't really understand that he 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:45.760 was like performing. And then when I saw like probably 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:49.239 Apollo thirteen, when I was like twelve or so, I 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.160 was like, wait a minute, that's the same guy, and 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.240 he doesn't sound anything like that. What it was really 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.480 confusing for my child brain. 0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.239 Like the nineties were a big time for actors with 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:04.480 a lot of talent portraying yes, characters of the disabilities 0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.960 like Leonardo DiCaprio and What's Eating Gilbert Grape. I feel 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.200 like that was his whole yeh coming into fame was 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.360 how how many people believed that he was he actually 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.880 did have a disability. Yeah, the ethics of which we 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:16.880 can certainly debate. 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:18.319 We can absolutely debate that. 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.640 Yeah, I mean, I think the first movie that I 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:26.880 saw that had that was I Am Sam, a really 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.680 stinky Sean Penn movie. Yeah, where it is the same 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:34.640 He's playing a character with an intellectual disability. Glad that 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:38.440 that doesn't happen quite as much these days, not that 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:40.680 it's completely gone away, but I'm glad it's not a 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:44.320 prominent trend. I don't know. I mean anytime someone portrays 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.720 someone with a disability or with like an quote unquote 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.280 other body type just to get nominated for an oscar. 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.600 I guess the last example we have of that is 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.000 kind of is the whale, right. 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.040 In any case, Forrest is like professing his love for 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.640 Jenny and once to marry her, and later that night 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:07.160 she comes into his room and they have sex. But 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:10.880 then the next morning she abruptly leaves again, presumably without 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:16.760 saying goodbye to Forrest, and this prompts him to set 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:21.879 off running with no destination in mind. He just runs 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.080 and runs and runs across the country all the way 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.759 to the west coast, and then he turns around and 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:28.640 he runs and runs and runs all the way to 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.840 the east coast. And then he runs for like over 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:36.920 three years, just non stop, only like stopping to sleep 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:38.720 and just running running running. 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.160 The beard effects was fun. The beard. 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.680 I looked at him, I was like, he looks like 0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.200 every single guy I know, And then I said, it's 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.680 kind of working on me. He looks good. 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.520 He does have like a very Brooklyn coated beard. Uh yeah, 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.040 he has literally my brother's beard. 0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.120 He's giving Bushwick for sure. 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.400 This a moment that my boyfriend specifically asked me about 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.919 when we had a post mortem on Forrest Gump. He's like, Okay, 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:09.360 I know you didn't like it, However, what did you 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.560 think of the running? I was like, kind of funny, 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.920 kind of weird, I don't know. And he said that 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.960 that was something that he and his father specifically really 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.200 bonded over when they would watch that movie. He's like, 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.680 I think that there is some like bizarre masculine fantasy 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.720 attached to that of like you were spurned and hurt 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.440 by a woman and you just run away and you 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.879 do this kind of like unhinged, hyper masculine thing where 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.399 like and I only stopped to sleep and eat and 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:39.520 poop and I just ran and you know, I was like, wow, 0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:42.640 that actually does kind of make sense to me. But 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.200 I would never have been able to get there on 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:44.600 my own. 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.920 My friend, who I watched with who's a guy also yesterday, 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.560 was like, WHOA, Forrest is kind of a giga Chad 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:52.759 And we were like, oh, I go, and he was like, 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:56.720 he really is just being an avoidant king. He's running 0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.520 around town being avoidant and also just yeah, he's really 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.600 living out the male fantasy. And it also in every 0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:05.280 scene that he's running that the landscape is so beautiful 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:08.360 but almost in a grotesque way where it's so oversaturated 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.120 my friends, that it kind of looked like a self 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.759 help book, like the cover of any book. Yes, And 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.600 I feel like those two things together make this sequence like, yeah, 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.560 I don't know, kind of a bizarre sequence. 0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:23.359 Wow, men, men are so complicated. I was just like what, 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:25.799 because I think that that is one of those like 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.280 corny YouTube fifteen years ago things where if you change 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:32.240 the music and that sequence slightly, it becomes a totally 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.600 different energy. Like I don't know. 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:37.120 It was very grind set for sure. 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.560 Yes, yeah, he's a proto influencer. And at the end 0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:42.920 he's like, oh, sorry, I did that for no reason. 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:48.959 Yeah, because he starts having like followers just running behind him. 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.600 He has all these like journalists and stuff being like 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:56.480 are you doing this for animal rights, for women's rights, 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.680 for protesting this and this and that? And he's like no, 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.640 I just felt like running. Despite that, he inspires a 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:07.000 bunch of people along the way, a bumper sticker guy, 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:12.200 a T shirt designer, and then like a running cult 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:16.120 question Mark, and then one day he just decides to 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:20.600 stop running and he goes back home to Alabama. He 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:24.760 then gets a letter from Jenny inviting him to Savannah, Georgia, 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.399 which brings us to the present of him sitting at 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.600 the bus stop waiting for a bus, and the woman 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.080 who is now sitting next to him is like, you 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:38.080 don't need a bus. Henry Straight is right over there. 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:43.759 So then Forrest runs to Jenny's apartment and discovers that 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:48.880 she is a mother to a baby Hailey Joel Osmond 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:50.920 a friend at the show Baby Hailey. 0:41:51.520 --> 0:42:00.319 Yeah, he's so small, chicken nugget. He's so cute, it's insane. 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:06.120 And this is Forrest Junior because Forrest Gump is his father. 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.120 And then he like kind of interacts with Little Forest 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.600 a little bit while he's watching Burton Ernie. And then 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:18.840 Jenny tells Forrest that she is sick with some unknown virus. 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.200 I think it's implied to be HIV. 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.440 Is that that's like later confirmed, but they, I guess 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.040 wrote it out of the script. 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:34.279 Yeah, So Forrest is like, well, come live with me. 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.360 I'll take care of you in Little Forest. So Jenny 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:42.200 moves back to Alabama with him, they get married. Lieutenant 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:43.959 Dan comes to the wedding. 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.880 Now sporting a crew cut and also a wife. 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:51.800 A crew cut and prosthetic legs, and a eye's wife 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.680 God or his fiance. 0:42:56.160 --> 0:43:01.000 That the final Lieutenant Dan thing, I was like, do 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:04.840 not piss me off. That'sh I hate how the movie 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:08.000 resolves Lieutenant Dan's story where. 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:12.440 He's like, Okay, I've quote unquote fixed my disability and 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:17.520 if it weren't for capitalism, I never would have made 0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.400 it through, and you're just like, ah, fuck you. 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.920 I also found that the choice to cast his wife 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:29.600 as an East Asian woman, maybe it was colorblindcasting doesn't 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.919 feel like it for some reason. It feels like it's 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:36.640 trying to say something. What it's saying, I don't know. 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.600 Makes me feel kind of strange, though I don't know, 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:41.200 I don't know how to explain it. 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.040 I also had that thought, I mean, yeah, we don't 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.719 know what the background of the character is. But I 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:51.759 feel like because we met Lieutenant Dan in Vietnam, and 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:55.160 that the movie seems to very intentionally never show us 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.880 a Vietnamese persons, they're just like, we know who they're fighting, 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.840 but it's an unseen and so that there's no opportunity 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:08.720 to empathize with anyone who isn't in the American military. Yeah, 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:10.000 that felt that felt pointed. 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.720 I don't know, and she's she has an American accent. 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:14.920 I think she's supposed to be American. Yeah, but like 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.359 in the context of Vitnams, so many soldiers bringing back 0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.880 Vienname's wives and the discourse around that, I don't know. 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.120 It just felt like a really pointed casting choice that 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:25.480 was interesting to me. 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:27.680 Yeah, And it's hard to say because we don't know 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.640 anything about her. She says exactly one line, which is 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:34.399 high Forest, and then that's all we get from her, 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:38.680 and then the movie's basically over because shortly after this 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:43.920 Jenny passes away. Forest of course misses her so much, and. 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.839 Unfortunately Tom Hanks is really good in the scene at 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:47.440 the grave. 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:49.719 I know, no, it'll get you good. 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.160 It's good, it's tearful. 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.360 And then baby Haley, did you cry, Jamie? 0:44:55.960 --> 0:45:01.880 I was, I was edging, but I didn't get that. 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:09.520 Way to describe being on the verge of tears. And 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:14.880 Forrest is raising little Forest and he seems to be 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:19.200 a very good dad. And then when little Forest is 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.359 like waiting for the bus to school. The feather from 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.920 the beginning comes back, it falls out of the book 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.680 and then it floats through the sky again blah blah blah. 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.000 The end, it reminded me of the feather hitting and 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:35.719 the it reminded me of of Jim Carrey Grinch, where 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:37.560 it like starts and ends with the snowflake. 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.120 Ah, and you follow the snowflake. I did like that. 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:43.200 The feather it goes it like the feather flies right 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:44.920 into the screen, then it goes bink. 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.360 I did like it. I was like, Okay, that's a 0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:49.080 little bit as the guest magic. 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:56.479 I liked that, very polar express. Well that's the movie. 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.280 Let's take another quick break and we'll come back to 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:13.040 discuss and we're back. Where shall we. 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:17.400 Start, Well, I would like to start, if possible, with 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:22.960 the adaptation context, because Maya, you talk about this so 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:27.160 eloquently and in such detail in your video, and I 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:30.000 honestly didn't even know until I watched your video a 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:31.840 couple of months ago that this was even based on 0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.440 a book. If you would be so kind walk us 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:39.320 through some of the major changes made between the book 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:40.800 and the movie. 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:45.440 Yes, I was telling Kaitlin before, but uh, after I finish. 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:46.960 It's the kind of like writing an exam after I 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:49.880 finished a video, all the information just flies out of 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:53.439 my brain. I also rewatched my video, so I'm gonna 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.640 try and recap this is the best I can. But yes, 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.480 so essentially the movie is based on a novel by 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.120 an authorn, Winston Groom, who hadn't had a ton of 0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.200 success in his life. I don't believe the book itself 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:09.360 either was wildly successful. But essentially, Winston Grim is a 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.680 Vietnam War veteran and he wrote this book that he 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.439 designed to be kind of like a picuresque novel. And 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.560 for context, the picuresque novel is this like literary tradition, 0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:24.080 where it's a story that follows a singular character through 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:29.000 a very wide array of events in their life, often 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:32.040 with a satirical tone. The example that I use in 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.919 the video is Candide by Voltaire, which is basically about 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:41.240 a character who witnesses an absurd, uncanny amount of terrible 0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:43.360 events in his life. But the book is written with 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.240 a really matter of fact tone, kind of almost comedic, 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.319 and it's supposed to be kind of pointing at the 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.960 fact that the world is a difficult place and we 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.880 need to nurture it instead of instead of ignoring it 0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:57.720 and believing the world is just like this positive, amazing place. 0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.680 And I'd say Forrestcump the book is pretty similar. Forrest 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:06.200 Gump is very different in the book. He's he physically 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.799 stands out a lot. He's supposed to be six book six, 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.000 a very big guy. I think he's like supposed to 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:15.480 be like two hundred to three hundred pounds. He's like big, yeah. 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:19.840 And he's very different from Forrest in the movie, mainly 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:23.479 in the sense that he's a very imperfect character. He 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:27.360 has sex with multiple women, including Jenny. In the book, 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:31.120 he's horny, he does drugs a few times throughout the book. 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:34.839 He is like one aware of racism, you know, when 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.479 he brings up the KKK at the beginning. He talks 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.719 about how his grandma named him Forrest, but how she 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:43.360 thinks that the KKK are a bunch of no goods. 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:45.960 So he's aware of racism, but he also is capable 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.800 of being racist, Like he is quite ignorant when he 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.359 goes to Vietnam and he talks about Vietnamese people, which 0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:53.239 who are completely excluded from the movie. But in the 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.520 context of the book, he refers to them as a slur. 0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:58.680 He goes to China and he ends up saving Mao 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:01.279 Zedong from drowning, which I thought was a funny plot 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:05.439 point which really pisses off his superiors, but is also 0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:07.840 a little bit racist about Chinese people. He meets people 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:09.920 in New Guinea. He's a little he's he's ignorant, he's 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:11.600 a small town boy, right. 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.279 You mentioned this in your video, like where he's a 0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.920 more realistic product of his environment than movie forest. 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.600 Yeah, exactly. And he's most importantly, he's a lot less 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.920 juvenile than the Forest in the movie. And I thought 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:26.880 it was interesting when you had referred to the scene 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.880 between Jenny and Forrest as like sexual assault, because I 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.160 think in the books it feels a lot less like that, 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.759 because Forest is less infantile. You know, he has like 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.239 learning impairments and intellectual disabilities, but he's he's still very 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.319 much an adult and doesn't have the mind of a child. 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:44.759 And so I thought that was a really interesting take 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.160 and accurate. And yeah, and I think overall the book 0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:50.359 just has a bit more of a satirical edge to 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:54.359 it than the movie does. And is it Roberts Mechis yeah, 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.320 Robert Yeah. Roberts and Mecchus and Eric Roth, who is 0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:00.759 a screenwriter, have been very explicit about the fact that 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.279 they don't like the book, which I think is wildly disrespectful. 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.399 Winston Groom has been like extremely gracious about he's passed away, 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.960 but really gracious about the adaptation, was really excited about it. 0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:13.759 And it feels like they just kind of disrespected the 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:14.759 source material a lot. 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.439 And they screwed ai amount of money too, like there 0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:18.080 was like a hole. 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:19.240 They screwed him out of money. 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:21.320 It's wild and he was very nice. 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.680 About that too. He sounds like he was actually a 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.800 really nice guy. God and Roberts and Machis has just 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:28.800 been very proud about the fact that he didn't finish 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:31.160 the book, but essentially he felt like the book had 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.920 no meaning and so he wanted to imbue it with meaning, 0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:37.200 which I think is really interesting because the book has 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:40.160 a lot of meaning. I think it takes this approach 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.840 that Winston Groom has basically said that he wanted the 0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.560 story to be about human dignity and preserving dignity in 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.440 a world where many undignified things happened to you, and 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.080 like happen around you. And I think that that's definitely 0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:55.279 the case. Forrest doesn't constantly succeed in the book. He 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.000 undergoes a lot of hardship. One of the biggest changes 0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:00.640 they make is that Forest actually gets wrapped it into 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:03.200 the army in the book, and I believe he enlists 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:03.760 in the movie. 0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:06.239 Yeah, he voluntarily enlists. Yeah in the. 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.319 Movie, Yeah, which is a huge thing. He flunks out 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:09.960 of college, Like there's there's so many things that happened 0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:13.160 to him that are upsetting, and it feels like movie 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:17.920 Forrest doesn't stuffer those same things. And Yeah, generally, just 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.719 the movie essentially just sanitizes the book as Hollywood is 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.640 so wants to do, and turns it from this kind 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:30.719 of like satire about indignity into dignity to kind of 0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:34.479 being a celebration of America and American history and doing 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:39.600 this like really bizarre quick survey of the America's twentieth century, 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:43.719 hitting all these like major points in American culture, like 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.080 huge touchdowns of American culture, like oh, adding in John 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.640 Lennon or Elvis Presley. At one point, Forrest teaches him 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:51.839 how to do that silly dance move he did and 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.800 just adding in these unnecessary things jfka. All this stuff 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:56.920 to kind of wink and nod at the audience is 0:51:57.000 --> 0:51:59.400 very Pestiche kind of just like a collage of different 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.920 moments without any real meaning behind them. So I think 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:04.160 it's interesting because I think they took a lot of 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:05.880 the meaning out of the book, right. 0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:09.520 They like unsatirized it. It seems like they unsatirized it. 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.480 And I think the number one difference between them is 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:14.840 the opening line in the movie. He says life is 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.560 like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:18.520 gonna get, which I've always thought was strange because you 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:20.320 do know what you're gonna get. You're gonna get chocolate. 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.200 It's on the box, yeah, and it's all yeah, but 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:24.880 you don't know if it's gonna be full of a 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.680 cherry or peanut, butter or caramel. 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.080 Have you guys had pot of gold? When they have 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:34.920 the little key which tells you exactly yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.520 maybe this is Alabama chocolate that I'm not let me 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:38.040 let us know. 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:44.320 He's got a box of Russell Stover and labeled yeah yeah. 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:45.960 But in the movie he says that, and in the 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.880 book he says being an Idiot is no box of chocolates, 0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:53.759 which is the complete in verse of tone. Right. The 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.799 movie takes a really positive, really optimistic kind of a 0:52:56.880 --> 0:53:01.200 political approach to life, whereas the book is actively engaging 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:05.959 with the difficulties that Forest faces as someone with a disability, right, 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:08.040 And so yeah, I think that's the general gist of 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:10.799 the adaptation, but there's so much more to be said. 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:14.200 There's I mean, yeah, I truly would recommend everyone listening 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:16.759 go watch the video as well, because they're I mean, 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.680 just the specifics that you were pulling about. How you 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:23.640 know in the book, yeah, that he's specifically condemning the 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.360 Vietnam War, and in the movie they literally rip the 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.279 microphone away from him, so you can never really have 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:33.359 a definitive statement on the movie's opinion of the Vietnam War. 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:36.000 I think they're trying to talk about like military suppression 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.239 and censorship, but it's like, how convenient you know. 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:41.759 That this is the Yeah, the one it felt like 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:45.160 this movie was I don't know, I mean, in that context, 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:48.720 it felt like the movie was trying to, I guess, 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:53.360 strip back any of the intended meaning of the book 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:59.360 as you described it, and also really punish people within 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.960 the world of the movie who were seeking meaning that 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:06.799 was not conservative and conventional. I feel like the one 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:10.600 thing that stuck out to me is that we really 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:15.440 only meet like two men who are like explicitly progressive 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.240 or leftist or whatever. One of them is Abby hoffin 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:22.120 the other one is beating up Jenny. The only guy 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:24.640 we really meet who's a fictional character is like this 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:29.040 horrific abuser who's a black panther alive, right, and so 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.920 it's just like making him out to see, which you 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:35.640 know absolutely happens in those spaces, but it's like you 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:38.319 get nothing with the exception of Jenny's father, you get 0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:43.560 nothing but really empathetic portraits of people who are living 0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:48.200 like not countercultural lives. And so and the fact that 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:51.640 Jenny's whole character seems predicated on the movie has this 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:55.719 agenda of like getting back at her for doing anything. 0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:59.479 It seems like, and I think you mentioned the video 0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:02.000 as well, her character is that is like not the 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:04.840 ending for that character in the book. 0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:08.600 Yeah, very importantly. In the book, Jenny does not die, 0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:11.640 She does not have a virus. She actually ends up 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:15.160 with another man. Forrest has sex with another woman and 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:18.239 they have a child together, and he essentially gives the 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:20.520 child to Jenny because he the quote is that he 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:22.600 doesn't want the child to have a pea brain for 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:26.399 a daddy, which is heartbreaking. But in the movie, it's 0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:29.000 like Forest is supposed to have an IQ of seventy, 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:33.279 have this extremely childlike worldview, but then is now a 0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:36.080 single father raising this child spectacularly on his own, which 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:37.960 I'm not saying is not possible at all, but it 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:41.120 just it feels like a really interesting shift between the 0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:42.719 two realities. 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.080 And then also in your video, I say, you point 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:51.080 out the various other ways in which the movie adaptation 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:55.000 differs from the book in regards to Jenny's character where 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.239 the movie it seems, gives and to be clear, I 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:00.520 have not read the book, so I'm pulling a lot 0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:04.280 of this information from your video essay, but it seems 0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:09.080 as though the movie does give Jenny more presence in 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:12.200 the story. But it also does this thing where it 0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:16.760 basically transfers all of the quote unquote vices that Forrest 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:21.560 has in the book, or what like respectability politics and 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:25.799 conservative values would deem to be vices, and it transfers 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:30.200 those to Jenny in the movie where, for example, we 0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:33.000 see her doing a bunch of drugs. 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:35.760 She's the only character we know who's done drugs except 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:38.839 I guess maybe Lieutenant Dan for a while, right, But. 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:42.520 We actively see her doing coke. It's implied that she 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.200 does heroin, and we also see her doing what might 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:47.399 be acid. Again, I'm such a square when it comes 0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:49.160 to drugs. I don't know which ones are which, but 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:53.279 she's doing veriou drugs. It's implied that she it maybe 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:56.040 has promiscuous sex or at the very least has multiple 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:57.279 romantic partners. 0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:02.400 She may be also doing sex work by the end unclear. 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:04.359 Oh right, because we see her she gets kicked out 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:08.080 of college for being in a Playboy spread, and if 0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:10.880 I'm remembering correctly, they add in the fact that she 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:14.320 was being sexually abused by her father for the movie, 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:16.920 which again don't. 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:20.280 Do that well. It's fascinating because Forrest in the books 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:24.120 is sexually assaulted by a female boarder at his mom's 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:25.960 house when he's a kid, or like I think he's 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:26.920 a teenager. 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:29.040 Which is left out of the movie, which. 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:30.959 Is left out of the movie, and then they give 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:35.160 that to Jenny. I do feel like I don't know, 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:37.400 I guess I do feel confident in saying this because 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:40.240 it's just men top to bottom at the height of 0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:43.480 this project. I do feel like that's done to quote 0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:48.120 unquote justify how her life goes. Is like a survivor 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:53.800 of CSA is fucked like for their entire lives, and 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:56.400 that all of these things. I mean, it just feels 0:57:56.400 --> 0:58:00.400 like the movie is just punishing her so thoroughly. And 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:04.200 the only times in her life or in the plot 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:07.040 where she catches a break is when she is basically 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:11.520 playing the part of Forest's wife and like is living 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.080 with him kind of in a live in girlfriend's situation. 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.120 And I know you mentioned it in your video too, 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.320 but when they have sex towards the end of the movie, 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:23.560 she's wearing this like virginal white gown. She dies in 0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:28.280 a white gown. It just all feels so like, I 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:32.320 don't know, like she's being redeemed, yeah yeah, and that 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.360 it's like all of this is happening to her to 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:37.840 remind us how good of a person movie Forest is 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:44.120 while punishing Jenny for any countercultural instinct or abuse she 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:46.080 sustained as a child, which is not how the movie 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:47.360 treats Forest at all. 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.400 I also think it's part of this kind of trend 0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:54.480 of the nineties and two thousands of this like tortured 0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:57.400 angel trope that happened I think a lot with women. 0:58:57.400 --> 0:58:58.680 I don't know if you guys remember so many like 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:00.720 indie songs from the two thousands where they be like 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:04.080 she's got blue bruises on her. 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:04.320 Oh. 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:07.520 It was like just very like very voyeuristic, like man, 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:11.480 oh I can save you girl kind of songwriting. 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:14.120 Kind of decembris vibes to be yeah, yeah, yeah, And. 0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:17.200 This feels similarly of its time for this kind of 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.600 like helpless, tortured, fragile bird woman that you need to 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:22.400 go save and you have to save her all the time. 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:24.800 But like she's so she's so do you guys swear 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.720 on this podcast? Oh yes, she's so fucked up? 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:29.760 Yes for sure. 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:32.720 So I think it's really it's really of this era 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:34.000 in that way as well. 0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:37.800 That and then it's like her, as you point out 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:41.800 in your video, it's her you know, quote unquote impure 0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:49.720 behavior is largely there to emphasize how morally pure Forrest 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:54.400 Gump is, by contrast, and it's only after she accepts 0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:57.520 the role of like wife and mother, like a very 0:59:57.560 --> 1:00:03.400 traditional kind of that she is like redeemed, and then 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:07.040 she suddenly has the same haircut that Forrest Gump's mom 1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:08.600 has throughout the same movie. 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:11.960 Like, oh, and she dies in the same bed. It's implied. 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:12.919 Oh yeah. 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:15.560 And what I thought was interesting, and I was gonna 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:18.000 say it earlier too, is there are no signs like 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:20.080 when Forest's mom and Jenny die, and there's like these 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:22.480 parallels in the scenes. There are no signs of illness 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:25.680 on them. Forest's mom, true, Chris's mom dies of cancer 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:29.080 and there's not a sign and like some people obviously 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:32.480 do die of cancer and don't look ill, but Jenny 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:34.840 as well dying of what is. 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:40.439 Like complications do a yeah, like die beautiful. 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:44.240 Yeah, which is like horrific virus has an extreme physical 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:47.400 toll on the body. And Jenny looks so porcelain when 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:50.240 she dies, Like her hair is like voluminous and blonde, 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:51.960 and it's just like, I don't know, I thought that 1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:54.200 was an interesting omission. 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:55.760 Very peculiar. 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:56.800 Yeah. 1:00:56.880 --> 1:00:58.800 I also want to talk just a little bit more 1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:03.840 about like the power dynamic and the like imbalance of 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:09.520 power in that relationship of like someone who has an 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:13.200 intellectual disability being with someone who does not have an 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:20.040 intellectual disability in a sexual or romantic context, which that 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:24.320 power dynamic is certainly worth examining. And then even on 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:26.880 top of that, there are different scenes in the movie 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:31.760 where Jenny does things that, like whether or not she 1:01:31.880 --> 1:01:35.640 obtained consent from Forrest is very much up for debate. 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:38.520 There's the scene in the dorm room, which we described, 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:41.680 and then I would argue also when she comes into 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:44.000 his room toward the end of the movie, when she's 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:47.520 wearing that like white gown and she gets into bed 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:51.560 with him and they have sex, I think consent there 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:56.240 is also questionable. But the movie, of course is just 1:01:56.320 --> 1:02:00.920 like no, of course Forrest is consenting to this, and 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:04.680 of course any man when next to a beautiful woman 1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:07.720 would of course consent to any sexual thing that might 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:11.600 happen kind of thing. And I never really picked up 1:02:11.600 --> 1:02:13.840 on that as a child, of course, like you know. 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:16.480 Well, sure, because this is being presented as a beautiful 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:17.360 love story. 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:21.520 Right, and I really noticed that on this viewing. And 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:25.040 I want to be perfectly clear that I am not 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:30.360 suggesting that people with intellectual disabilities or who are neurodivergent 1:02:31.000 --> 1:02:36.280 are not able to give consent or to have consenting 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:41.040 sexual relationships. I'm talking more about the power dynamic, which is, 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:44.960 you know, similar to when like, you know, a twenty 1:02:45.280 --> 1:02:49.880 year old dating a forty five year old, and even 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:54.600 if they are giving consent, it's still a power imbalance, 1:02:54.840 --> 1:03:00.000 whether based on level of life experience or emotional mature 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:05.400 or like wisdom versus naivete. And I know that like 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:10.400 people's mileage on this varies. It's a very complicated topic 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:12.640 and I don't want to trivialize it or anything like that, 1:03:12.760 --> 1:03:17.200 but there is inherently an imbalance of power in these 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:22.400 different scenarios, and my criticism is that the movie doesn't 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:28.320 really acknowledge that, and that the movie does show what 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:31.240 I would especially in that dorm room scene. I think 1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:34.520 unequivocally in the dorm room scene is an instance of 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.200 sexual assault that the movie does not treat that way 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:39.680 at all, and instead ends that scene on like a 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:45.800 jokey button about him prematurely ejaculating and ruining the roommate's 1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:49.760 bathrobe and twist. The roommate was awake the whole time 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:54.280 during this entire interaction. So that's what I take issue with. 1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:56.680 I just want to make that perfectly clear. 1:03:56.520 --> 1:03:59.800 It's a romantic depiction of yeah, yeah dynamic. 1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:03.000 Yeah, you're totally right, Kitlin, that like the power dynamic 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:07.520 is not even acknowledged, and that that feels like a 1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:13.640 very glaring and could be adjusted pretty easily. But because 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:16.440 all these adaptation changes are made, I don't know if 1:04:16.480 --> 1:04:21.280 any consulting was done in terms of presenting neurodivergence on 1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:24.560 screen or anything like that. I would assume no, but 1:04:24.880 --> 1:04:27.360 I'm not sure. I would also assume that I was 1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:29.360 looking to see if there had been more written about this, 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:32.440 and I wasn't really able to find anything, which is 1:04:32.560 --> 1:04:36.760 very frustrating. I have found a few, I mean, they're 1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:43.200 mostly personal essays, many from autistic writers who are like 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:47.320 I mean, there's just a wide array of takes on Forest, 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:51.880 where there are certain nonprofits related to autism not autism 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:56.760 speaks that have sort of like claimed Forest as their own. 1:04:56.800 --> 1:04:59.480 But of course it's like not necessary, that's not stated 1:04:59.520 --> 1:05:02.880 in the movie. So I don't know, I mean, this movie, 1:05:03.120 --> 1:05:05.920 it's absolutely baffling to me. I have like a quick 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:11.520 quote from a writer that like really embraced Forest and 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:16.000 specifically the movie interpretation of Forest. This is from a 1:05:16.000 --> 1:05:21.480 website Slash writer a is for Ifa not Autism dot 1:05:21.480 --> 1:05:25.160 Com from a post she wrote called autism on Screen 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:28.680 Forest Gump. I just wanted to share this. Interestingly, the 1:05:28.680 --> 1:05:31.080 film depicts Forest in a more realistic light than in 1:05:31.120 --> 1:05:33.439 the book. Whilst he is described in both as having 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:35.840 a low IQ in the seventies, Forrest is not portrayed 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:39.520 a stereotyped mathematical savant in the film. Finally, a bit 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:42.240 of realism. Forrest's tail truly shows us. How as I've 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:45.000 often remarked on this blog, you should never allow autism 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:47.840 to hold you back. And autism diagnosis can be a challenge, yes, 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:49.480 but it does not mean you can't live a normal, 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:54.480 happy and fulfilling life. And then there's physical disability, which 1:05:54.840 --> 1:05:59.600 I feel far more confident saying this movie completely mishandles 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:04.000 actually crazy. That leg brace is falling off that whole 1:06:04.040 --> 1:06:06.560 I mean, that's like the first huge example, right of Like, 1:06:06.640 --> 1:06:11.880 as Forrest is running, it's his disability. His physical disability 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:15.680 is made out to be basically metaphorical. Yeah, and that 1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:19.320 you know, as he gains confidence and he outruns his bullies, 1:06:19.800 --> 1:06:23.080 his leg braces fall away, and it's that's the last 1:06:23.080 --> 1:06:25.920 time his physical disability ever comes up, which is all 1:06:25.920 --> 1:06:30.520 of these classic, like ablest tropes of like a disability 1:06:30.520 --> 1:06:34.040 as something that's inherently holding you back and is making 1:06:34.080 --> 1:06:37.760 you suffer and needs to be overcome as opposed to 1:06:37.800 --> 1:06:40.280 just a facet of one's life. 1:06:40.960 --> 1:06:45.480 Yeah, movie really flubs it. I mean going back to 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:51.440 Forrest Gump's intellectual disability and the way that, as you 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:57.320 discuss in your video essay, Maya, is all about like 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:02.000 the conservative right co opting this movie because of all 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:06.480 of its like conservative values, because it's showing all of 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:11.560 these historical events and like American iconography in a way 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:17.520 that is making no commentary or criticism about various things 1:07:17.600 --> 1:07:24.320 such as the Vietnam War, segregation, systemic racism, things like that. 1:07:24.560 --> 1:07:25.840 And it's this is. 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:29.120 Able to happen because of the point of view character 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:33.240 of Forrest Gump, who sees everything with such a naive 1:07:33.920 --> 1:07:36.880 point of view. He's always saying something like, well, for 1:07:36.960 --> 1:07:41.680 no particular reason, XYZ happened. And the way that he 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:46.760 just he'll allude to these things oppression or corruption or exploitation, 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:50.160 things that have happened throughout American history. It'll be alluding 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:53.760 to them without acknowledging them. Because it's just like Forrest 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:57.240 being like, remember this, remember this thing that happened. I 1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.720 have nothing to say about it, which is also just 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:04.360 the inherent ableism in that in suggesting that someone with 1:08:04.440 --> 1:08:11.320 an intellectual disability couldn't understand things like racial discrimination and 1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:15.160 war are bad. That he's just like, I don't know 1:08:15.440 --> 1:08:17.880 these things are happening, but I don't know anything about it. 1:08:18.840 --> 1:08:22.280 I think there's just like intense ableism inherent in that. 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:25.559 I agree. I think, yeah, that I had a note 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:28.519 that like for me that it felt both ableist and 1:08:28.800 --> 1:08:32.719 condescending to anyone watching the movie where there's a line 1:08:32.760 --> 1:08:35.439 shortly after he enlists I think he's at basic training 1:08:35.840 --> 1:08:38.920 that goes something like being in the army is easy. 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:41.320 All you have to do is be completely pliant and 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:43.320 do what anyone tells you to do, and you'll do great. 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:46.800 And that is like implied that that is inherent to 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:50.400 his like intellectual disability, that he is servile and does 1:08:50.439 --> 1:08:54.160 what he's told, which is certainly not true, and also 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:57.000 that that is the I feel like the underlying message 1:08:57.040 --> 1:08:59.640 of the movie, and like part of the way the 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:03.640 way he intellectual disability is used narratively is to like 1:09:03.680 --> 1:09:06.760 telegraph this message that like if you just like do 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:09.840 what you're told and like stay on the path you've 1:09:09.880 --> 1:09:14.000 been told to stay on, you could randomly become a millionaire, 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:16.559 you could be very successful, you'll cruise through life. But 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:21.040 if you're like Jenny and you push against anything, you 1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:24.840 will die in a horrible way. And like, it just 1:09:24.840 --> 1:09:29.160 feels like the way that his intellectual disability is used 1:09:29.240 --> 1:09:33.679 in the narrative is insulting to the disabled and also 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:38.479 insulting to the audience. And just like reinforces how nothing 1:09:39.680 --> 1:09:44.320 the movie's messages. I mean, it sticks out, especially how 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:46.720 unwilling it is to take a stance on the Vietnam War, 1:09:46.760 --> 1:09:49.800 which is arguably the easiest American war to take a 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:52.599 stance on against America. I was like, if you can't 1:09:52.600 --> 1:09:55.879 do that, you're fucking cooked, dude. Like Yeah. 1:09:55.920 --> 1:09:59.000 The producer Wendy Feinerman, who's the person who got this 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:01.599 movie greenlit because she's the one who brought the book 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:05.320 to the studio, she said that her greatest achievement from 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:08.240 the movie was making this like a movie for the military. 1:10:08.280 --> 1:10:11.120 Basically I like kind of talk about this in the 1:10:11.160 --> 1:10:15.599 video as well. But also the young boy who plays Forrest. 1:10:15.800 --> 1:10:18.479 I'm forgetting the actor's name. I think it's Michael Connor. 1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:21.599 Jeffries, Oh, yes, yeah, the young Forest. 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:25.679 Yeah. He basically he enlisted in the Iraq War because 1:10:25.720 --> 1:10:28.800 he was so inspired by the idea of Lieutenant Dan 1:10:29.280 --> 1:10:31.200 dying with honor on the battlefield. 1:10:31.360 --> 1:10:33.040 And it's like, I wish you'd read the book. 1:10:33.160 --> 1:10:37.519 Fascinating that a movie that's essentially propagating the military is 1:10:37.600 --> 1:10:41.160 taking from source material of a Vietnam War veteran. And 1:10:41.200 --> 1:10:44.760 in the book, like explicitly, Forest states multiple times that 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:47.840 he thinks, I'm gonna slightly misquote it, but I'll paraphrase. 1:10:47.880 --> 1:10:50.960 He thinks that the war's a load of shit. Yeah, 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:54.840 And that's clearly coming from Winston Groom. And so for 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:57.720 the movie to be pro military is like, to me 1:10:57.920 --> 1:10:58.720 quite disgusting. 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:02.240 Yeah, especially because I mean, like you were saying, Winston 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:05.519 Groom was a veteran of that war, so to change 1:11:05.560 --> 1:11:10.200 his specific opinion on it is insulting to him and 1:11:10.280 --> 1:11:14.439 insulting to any veteran. I mean, the movie stands on veterans. 1:11:14.439 --> 1:11:18.080 I also found very vague. I guess this sort of 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:21.479 gets into the conversation around Lieutenant Dan. Also, I just 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:26.520 wanted to touch on I mean stating the obvious non disabled 1:11:26.800 --> 1:11:32.400 actors are playing disabled parts as is still so common. 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:36.080 But with Lieutenant Dan, before we even get to the 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:40.360 conversation around ability, I did think it was more than 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:42.760 I guess I expected of the movie to at least 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:49.000 portray a veteran who had been essentially discarded by society 1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:53.280 after they weren't considered quote unquote useful anymore. I think 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:58.639 that's something that is very under discussed in movies, and 1:11:59.000 --> 1:12:01.640 we could get into Jimmy, how many veterans end up 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:04.200 on hows how many like? It's stuff I did reporting 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.040 on as well. So I was like, Okay, I do 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:10.000 appreciate that there is some representation of a veteran who 1:12:10.040 --> 1:12:15.120 has been left behind because that's such a common occurrence. 1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:19.320 But again, it's like the way that the story resolves, 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:22.679 that is, I think you mentioned this in your video. 1:12:22.720 --> 1:12:26.160 May yet like that a lot of the like Lieutenant 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:30.160 Dan's I guess counseling of Forrest, they flip that. So 1:12:30.240 --> 1:12:33.360 Forrest is teaching Lieutenant Dan, and the way that he 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:38.240 lifts himself up is via capitalism, via a business. He 1:12:38.280 --> 1:12:41.439 picks up his bootstraps right, right, and it's it's not. 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:44.000 Like you got shoes and prosthetic legs, so. 1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:49.000 Right, And then again it's like using disability to make 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.480 a statement about like, well, he's quote unquote less disabled 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.400 than we've seen him in previous sequences, and he's happier 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:58.519 than ever, and isn't that great? And it just feels 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:01.320 I don't know, I was really frustrated. It felt like 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:03.200 with Lieutenant Dan, I thought it was like a real 1:13:03.280 --> 1:13:07.720 opportunity to reintroduce his character. But then they don't, you know, 1:13:07.880 --> 1:13:11.960 take that opportunity to interrogate any system, but they do 1:13:12.040 --> 1:13:14.439 portray something very common, and then they're like, well, I 1:13:14.439 --> 1:13:18.160 guess disabled veterans should simply pick themselves up by their 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:21.720 bootstraps and then they'll be bazillionaires. 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:24.679 Yeah, they just need to invest in Apple and they'll 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:27.559 be fine in like nineteen eighty. 1:13:27.640 --> 1:13:31.520 It's fascinating because he they kind of attribute his hardship 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:34.479 and his obstacles to kind of like, well, he does 1:13:34.560 --> 1:13:37.760 drink too much and fornicate too much right then, and 1:13:38.160 --> 1:13:41.599 his like moroseness after the war and his frustration mainly 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:43.479 semming from the fact that he didn't die on the 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:47.479 battlefield instead of like oh, this war was really horrible, pointless, 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:51.200 disorganized and evil, you know. And I think the only 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:54.840 kind of time they mentioned how idiotic the Americans were 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:57.400 in doing this war was when they kind of briefly 1:13:57.439 --> 1:14:00.479 mentioned that the Americans attacking themselves, like when they get 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:02.879 start getting balmed. I believe it's like an American contingent 1:14:02.920 --> 1:14:05.000 that's balming them. And that's kind of the only time 1:14:05.120 --> 1:14:08.519 is even hinted at. I don't know how ridiculous the 1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:11.880 war was in terms of like organization, let alone all 1:14:11.880 --> 1:14:14.560 the other things, but right, yeah. 1:14:14.120 --> 1:14:18.920 It's so like Lieutenantan is a tricky character because yeah, 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:21.040 there were there were beats that worked and then beats 1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:23.639 that didn't. I also think that the movie going very 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:26.280 very very out of its way that like, in spite 1:14:26.320 --> 1:14:29.960 of being disillusioned, ultimately, I think Lieutenant Dan does come 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:32.679 all the way back around to being an American patriot again. 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:34.800 Even when he's on the shrimp boat, you can see 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:39.160 on his wheelchair he still has like pro America stickers 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:41.759 and stuff. And I was like, really at this point, 1:14:41.880 --> 1:14:44.960 catch like I was, so, I was like, okay, so 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:47.559 they they don't want to disabuse you from the idea 1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:51.320 that ultimately being a patriot will you know present the 1:14:51.360 --> 1:14:52.120 best result. 1:14:52.479 --> 1:14:55.360 The religious aspect of it too, where you know, it 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:59.840 suggested that he if he had any like faith in 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:04.880 Christian God prior to this, he lost it because of 1:15:05.000 --> 1:15:09.080 the events of the war and being robbed of his 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:12.439 destiny to die on the battlefield as a great American 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:17.120 soldier and patriot, and he's become disillusioned with the idea 1:15:17.439 --> 1:15:20.880 of you know, God and religion and things like that. 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:26.360 And then there's this scene where he swims in the ocean. 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:30.400 He's like swimming towards the heavens quote unquote, and Forest 1:15:30.520 --> 1:15:32.840 is like, I think he made his peace with God. 1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:36.960 And this is after he's become a successful shrimper and 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:38.720 stuff a shrimper. 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:43.360 And the only reason they had the successful shrimper business 1:15:43.560 --> 1:15:47.960 is because Forest prays on it. And also it reminded 1:15:48.000 --> 1:15:53.519 me of Gosh, the scene weirdly from Baslerman's Elvis, where 1:15:53.680 --> 1:15:57.040 it's just like one white guy at a majority Black 1:15:57.080 --> 1:16:02.200 Baptist church praying and then his wish comes true. Same 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:03.240 deal with for us. 1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:07.559 Hey, I'm really impressed you remember a scene from first 1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:10.799 of all, how do you remember something that was nothing 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:14.760 but visual and auditory cacophony number one. 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:20.720 Also Tom Hanks. Wow, Tom is always oh yeah eah. 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:24.479 That was probably the beginning that predates Pinocchio. I think, 1:16:24.680 --> 1:16:30.040 oh god, dude, it's bad. Really. I don't know if 1:16:30.080 --> 1:16:32.720 it's like he's taking advice from Chad. I don't know 1:16:32.760 --> 1:16:36.000 what's going on with him, but all is not well 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:37.200 in the Hank's household. 1:16:38.560 --> 1:16:43.400 Chad Hanks feels like an SNL's git. He can't be real. 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:44.639 It's crazy. 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:46.559 Whatever happened to Colin? 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:49.360 You know, I know where's he at. I'm assuming he's 1:16:49.400 --> 1:16:51.880 on some TV show that millions of people watch and 1:16:51.920 --> 1:16:54.040 I've never heard of. That's where I feel like he's 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:54.679 usually at. 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:56.240 I feel like you're definitely right. 1:16:56.360 --> 1:16:58.400 My mom knows where Colin Hanks's I can tell you 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:03.720 that much. Obsessed anyways, but fact to Lieutenant Dan, yeah, 1:17:03.720 --> 1:17:07.360 I think again. His disability is used very cynically by 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:10.560 the plot. You know, played obviously by Gary sindeis a 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:14.360 nable bodied actor. But again, it's a complicated issue. I 1:17:14.439 --> 1:17:18.240 found an essay from twenty nineteen on Forbes by friend 1:17:18.280 --> 1:17:23.360 of the cast Kristin Lopez, who is a fabulous writer 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:28.120 who's written extensively on movies and ableism, which is why 1:17:28.200 --> 1:17:31.080 she wrote this essay about Forest Gump and ableism. So 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:33.080 I just wanted to share a few passages from that 1:17:33.320 --> 1:17:36.320 will link the whole essay, but it's essentially about her 1:17:36.520 --> 1:17:42.120 complicated relationship with the character of Lieutenant Dan. So she says, quote, 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:44.000 when I share that I'm a disabled writer, I often 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:46.640 hear the same handful of questions, one of which is, 1:17:46.720 --> 1:17:49.200 what's the first movie you saw with a disabled character 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:52.599 in it? The answer is easy, Forest Gump. But where 1:17:52.600 --> 1:17:55.800 I identified with Forrest Gump wasn't with its title character. Now, 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:58.599 before I saw another actual person in a wheelchair other 1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:03.120 than myself, I saw Lueutenant Dan Taylor. Lieutenant Dan crosses 1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:05.960 off several of the boxes we see in disabled narratives today. 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:09.240 Lieutenant Dan is a white male disabled late in life, 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:11.720 in this case, during the Vietnam War. The audience is 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:16.040 introduced to him as a dominating example of masculinity, and 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:19.599 this heroism is all but eliminated after Dan loses his legs. 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:23.200 Vietnam stories are their own subgenre in the world of 1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:26.000 disabled narratives, but the bulk of them coming several years 1:18:26.040 --> 1:18:29.400 after that event. In the eighties and nineties, in nearly 1:18:29.479 --> 1:18:31.639 all of them. Men disabled in the war are bitter 1:18:31.720 --> 1:18:35.280 and resentful. They aren't necessarily bitter about the society that 1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:38.400 leaves them without shelter or accessibility, but how the average 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:41.799 American has responded to the war themselves. In these movies, 1:18:41.800 --> 1:18:44.519 the disability is meant to show how callous humanity has 1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:48.639 become to veterans, not the disabled, per se. And then 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:50.680 she goes on to say that she still has a 1:18:50.760 --> 1:18:54.719 very strong connection to this character, specifically the moment where 1:18:55.240 --> 1:19:00.559 Lieutenant Dan was speaking to a priest and and you know, 1:19:00.680 --> 1:19:03.479 is told that God is listening. She says, quote Dan's 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:07.000 irritation at the ablest rhetoric of religion or enable person's 1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:09.639 belief that everyone who is disabled will be cured upon 1:19:09.720 --> 1:19:13.760 death is understandable. I've had several conversations just like this. 1:19:14.520 --> 1:19:16.960 When you've never seen yourself represented, you latch onto the 1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:19.320 first thing you see, for good or bad. Twenty five 1:19:19.360 --> 1:19:21.439 years later, I still put down Lieutenant Dan as one 1:19:21.479 --> 1:19:24.240 of my favorite characters, but I understand his limitations and 1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:27.840 failings as far as disabled representation goes. He doesn't posit 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:31.200 anything new. His depiction is common but in a landscape 1:19:31.200 --> 1:19:34.519 where representation remains so limited, the few good ideas Dan 1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:37.080 is given shaped who I was and reminded me of 1:19:37.120 --> 1:19:39.639 what I expected movies to push for in the future. 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:42.599 I think it's like a start, you know. And I 1:19:42.640 --> 1:19:45.240 think many aspects of this movie are so complicated because 1:19:45.240 --> 1:19:47.479 they are a star in some direction, even if they're 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:50.960 quite imperfect, I mean really important context as well as 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:56.000 in the book, Dan isn't his lieutenant. He meets Dan 1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:59.160 just in the hospital and his whole face is mutilated, 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:02.720 like he's he's been severely injured on his face, and 1:20:02.760 --> 1:20:07.480 so he doesn't have the opportunity to conceal his disability. 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:10.599 At the end of Forrest Gump, Forrest runs away with 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:14.280 Dan and an orangutang, which can't I can't even get 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:16.920 into that, but they like run off together. 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:18.439 Now, why would they cut that? 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:22.360 I know, what the heck? But yeah, Dan's not like 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:25.840 reabsorbed as a member of sobsidety. He can't, you know, 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:28.920 kind of switch. He can't conceal himself, and so I 1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:32.559 think that that's also kind of an interesting change made. 1:20:32.800 --> 1:20:35.720 But I totally understand that the empathy with Dan and 1:20:36.280 --> 1:20:38.320 finding him complicated right. 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:41.320 Yeah, it's like we see so many cases of that. 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:42.880 I know, we've talked about it a lot on the 1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:47.240 show before, of flawed representation. If it's the first representation 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:49.920 you encounter, of course that you're going to feel a 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:53.400 type of way about it. So I supposed to, yeah, 1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:56.640 acknowledge that because I think Dan is again there's a 1:20:56.680 --> 1:21:00.040 lot of missed opportunities with that character, not just in 1:21:00.080 --> 1:21:03.920 regards to disability, but in regards to veterans and in 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:06.760 regards to like a clear opportunity to be like, the 1:21:06.840 --> 1:21:10.800 Vietnam War was bad. It's just like, it is so 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:13.479 wild to me that a movie like that made this 1:21:13.640 --> 1:21:17.479 much fucking money didn't have the like balls to say 1:21:17.520 --> 1:21:19.559 that the Vietnam War was bad. 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:22.880 Anyways, Well, that's why the movie made money. 1:21:23.160 --> 1:21:24.000 That's true. 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:26.439 Well, it's also coming after a whole genre of movies 1:21:26.479 --> 1:21:32.040 that are Vietnam War Apocalypse now p Full Metal Jacket. 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:32.640 I think it's right. 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:36.000 Yeah, I forgot to bring this up during our conversation 1:21:36.080 --> 1:21:41.679 about Jenny. But because Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, and Robert 1:21:41.720 --> 1:21:45.120 Zebeciz were just on a tour together for this movie 1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:47.800 that I don't know, I don't I don't know anyone 1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:52.320 who saw it here here, that's such a It also 1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:55.479 just sounds like Robert Zebecca's phoning it in, like here, 1:21:55.600 --> 1:21:57.120 here's this He's. 1:21:56.920 --> 1:21:58.439 Been phoning it in here. 1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:04.200 Oh God. But because obviously this team was reuniting, Forrest 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:06.200 Gump was coming up a lot on the press tour, 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:10.640 and a Variety interviewer asked Robin Wright about sort of 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:15.080 this backlash to the Jenny character over time. So the 1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:19.479 question was there are some different takes on Jenny, including 1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:22.280 that she was punished for her choices, which were reflective 1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:24.559 of the choices of many young women in a generation 1:22:24.640 --> 1:22:27.200 that had social and economic liberty for the first time. 1:22:27.840 --> 1:22:30.800 She chooses a free, willing life and she dies. There's 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:33.439 a sense that this is kind of an anti feminist role. 1:22:34.040 --> 1:22:38.000 What do you think, Robin Wright, who the only thing 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:40.160 I can really say for her here is like, this 1:22:40.200 --> 1:22:43.200 is a very unfortunate two men to be sitting next 1:22:43.200 --> 1:22:45.599 to while being put on the spot about this, But 1:22:45.680 --> 1:22:50.439 Robin Wright replies, no, it's not about that. People have 1:22:50.520 --> 1:22:53.600 said she's a voldemort to Forest. I wouldn't choose that 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:56.840 as a reference, but she was kind of selfish. I 1:22:56.840 --> 1:22:59.559 don't think it's a punishment that she gets aids she 1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:02.760 was so he's remiscuous. That was the selfishness that she 1:23:02.840 --> 1:23:05.400 did to Forest. He was in love with her from 1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:08.320 day one, and she was just flighty and running and 1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:11.040 doing coke and hooking up with a black panther. And 1:23:11.080 --> 1:23:13.280 then she gets sick and says, this is your child, 1:23:13.439 --> 1:23:16.320 but I'm dying, and he still takes her I'll take 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:18.800 care of you at mama's house. I mean, it's the 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:23.320 sweetest love story. Baffling, Like, okay, baffling. 1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:25.599 Even if you're next to the people who you made 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:29.200 the movie with. That's a dog shit take. Yeah, I'm sorry, 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:30.320 that is no excuse. 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:34.080 She triples down. I rereading the quote, you're like, wait. 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:37.160 No, she's committing all the Cardinal's sense of acting. As 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:41.320 an actor, you're supposed to empathize with your character, like regardless, 1:23:41.320 --> 1:23:43.759 Like you're supposed to understand some humanity and your characters 1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:46.439 some of their actions, their motivations. For her to like 1:23:46.760 --> 1:23:55.080 so wildly misunderstand Jenny is kind of embarrassing, Like what, Yeah. 1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:58.840 Especially as a woman who is like not that far 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:02.080 removed from that general She's like a decade removed from 1:24:02.160 --> 1:24:04.600 the actual age of Jenny's character, and so I was 1:24:04.640 --> 1:24:07.120 just like, I don't know Boomer women. I will never 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:11.559 I will never understand they love to own themselves. Like 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:15.320 it's just it's wild. Anyways, Yeah that I just wanted 1:24:15.320 --> 1:24:19.080 to share that absolute piece of dogshit quote. Not sure 1:24:19.120 --> 1:24:21.120 what's going on with Robin Wright. 1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:24.160 I think the idea of Jenny being anti feminist is 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:26.800 also kind of like a little unfair as well. I 1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:28.120 think I don't know a lot of people in my 1:24:28.120 --> 1:24:30.840 comments on the video were like, most of the reason 1:24:30.880 --> 1:24:32.680 I love Forrest Gump is because I love Jenny and 1:24:32.720 --> 1:24:34.800 I saw myself and her, and so I think in 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:36.880 a way there could be like a bit more of 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:39.280 a repairative reading of Forrest Gump, and you know, seeing 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:43.600 Jenny as this empathetic, like strong willed character, a survivor 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:47.320 in all contexts, and you know who set out to, 1:24:47.360 --> 1:24:49.920 you know, pursue her dreams and like kind of did 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.320 what she wanted, which I think is great. And I 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:54.559 hate that I hate the narrative about her stringing Forest 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:57.320 along like god so classic of that time. 1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:00.720 Yeah, I agree. I mean, I I really like the 1:25:00.800 --> 1:25:02.760 character of Jenny, and I think it's just like the 1:25:02.800 --> 1:25:07.200 takeaway my takeaway is like, I mean, keeping our conversation 1:25:07.400 --> 1:25:10.680 about consent in mind, but I think that it's like 1:25:10.720 --> 1:25:13.840 you leave the movie just wishing that the world hadn't 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:17.439 done her so fucking dirty. And again it's like, if 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:20.519 that is the way that the movie needs Jenny's story 1:25:20.560 --> 1:25:22.720 to end, which obviously it doesn't because the source ma 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:26.120 material doesn't do that, but like, again, imply that it's 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:29.880 systemic in any way that she got fucked over in 1:25:29.920 --> 1:25:33.040 this way, as opposed to being like it's basically her 1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:35.839 fault and she brought on herself, and the actor agrees, 1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:38.360 and like, I don't know, I think in general her 1:25:38.400 --> 1:25:41.679 story should not have gone that way. But there's just again, 1:25:41.680 --> 1:25:45.440 there's no because this movie has no interest in interrogating 1:25:45.479 --> 1:25:49.160 any systemic anything. You're Yeah, you're presented with like a 1:25:49.200 --> 1:25:52.720 young feminist who is like trying to like live on 1:25:52.760 --> 1:25:55.800 her own, trying to overcome a very traumatic past, and 1:25:56.360 --> 1:25:57.000 they kill her. 1:25:57.280 --> 1:25:57.519 Yeah. 1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:01.160 So I find the relationship between jenn and Forrest kind 1:26:01.160 --> 1:26:03.519 of fascinating, especially in the movie because outside of the 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:07.280 romanticized context, like I think they have this like fascinating 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:11.040 kind of codependence and like platonic love that gets really 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:14.000 embroiled with romantic love and lust. And I don't know. 1:26:14.040 --> 1:26:15.960 I think when they're children, you see them kind of 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:18.720 helping each other in these ways, you know, like she 1:26:18.840 --> 1:26:21.320 helps Forest, like she's a friend to him where no 1:26:21.320 --> 1:26:23.720 one else is, and you know he's there for her 1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:25.800 as like a support through what she's going through, and 1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:27.559 he's like as children and helping each other in that 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:30.040 way and then getting kind of wires crossed when you 1:26:30.040 --> 1:26:32.000 get older and not knowing, you know, not knowing if 1:26:32.000 --> 1:26:34.240 you're in love or if you're your friends. I think 1:26:34.960 --> 1:26:37.320 could have a fascinating like it could be there could 1:26:37.360 --> 1:26:40.920 be some interesting angles to look at that from. But yeah, no, 1:26:41.000 --> 1:26:43.120 the movie, the movie's not interested in doing that. 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:44.360 No. 1:26:45.080 --> 1:26:47.760 Yeah, because the movie's convinced that it's a consensual love 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:51.960 story and like, I don't know, it just it the 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:57.040 scene that I appreciated the most between Forrest and Jenny, 1:26:57.240 --> 1:27:01.600 even though it's you know, extremely melodramatic, but late in 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:05.599 the movie, when they passed her house where she had 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:08.720 been abused and she you know, throws rocks at it. 1:27:08.760 --> 1:27:11.360 She has like a big emotional response to seeing this 1:27:11.439 --> 1:27:14.240 house again that is ostensibly empty at this point, but 1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:17.200 she's you know, flinging rocks at it, and Forrest like 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:21.200 just lets her and like doesn't interfere, and like does 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:24.240 I think what a true friend should do in that situation. 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:27.920 Just is there for her, And you know, it's possible 1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:29.920 he doesn't totally. I mean, but it is actually implied 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:32.080 that he understands why she's doing it, because he's not 1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:35.200 interfering in ways he would in other situations. 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:38.240 I think he emotionally understands. Yeah. 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:41.760 Yeah, I really liked that moment between them, and I 1:27:42.160 --> 1:27:46.120 guess I wish that that was more where their relationship lived, 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:51.679 of like they understand each other because of this shared history, 1:27:51.840 --> 1:27:56.240 Like it didn't need to be tumbled into a romantic 1:27:56.920 --> 1:27:59.599 like and now we share a child together because it's 1:27:59.640 --> 1:28:03.040 just too it's too messy. The movie's not equipped to 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:04.439 responsibly handle that. 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:09.879 It's very Hollywood. Yeah yeah, big kiss at the end 1:28:10.120 --> 1:28:13.320 kind of thing, you know, foot pop kind of storyline. 1:28:13.840 --> 1:28:15.080 Yes, for sure. 1:28:15.800 --> 1:28:19.160 Okay, sorry, that was my Jenny side conversation. 1:28:19.360 --> 1:28:23.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shall we talk about Bubba we shed? 1:28:23.960 --> 1:28:26.840 We must? I guess just zooming out a little bit 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:31.599 and examining the way the movie handles black characters in general, 1:28:32.439 --> 1:28:39.240 where they mostly exist to service or further characterize white characters, 1:28:39.280 --> 1:28:44.080 particularly Forrest Gump, of course, and it's characterizing the Force 1:28:44.160 --> 1:28:48.839 Gump character by showing how naive he is to things 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:53.240 like systemic racism, because we see many examples of this. 1:28:53.360 --> 1:28:58.600 We've already discussed several of them. The him like referencing 1:28:58.720 --> 1:29:01.880 that he was named after a Grand Wizard of the KKK, 1:29:03.040 --> 1:29:09.200 him not understanding what that organization is at all. Like 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:12.679 there's that scene where he's at the Black Panther meeting 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:17.280 and there's a Black panther who is lecturing Forrest about 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:22.520 like the Vietnam War and how the Black Panthers oppose 1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:25.479 any war where the US sends black soldiers to the 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:27.599 front line to die for a country that hates them, 1:29:27.680 --> 1:29:31.720 and how racism is destroying black communities and things of 1:29:31.760 --> 1:29:35.719 that nature, and Forest is just like completely ignoring him 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:41.760 in favor of paying attention to Jenny. There's like other 1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:44.599 just like references to the fact that like Forrest is 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:50.480 clueless to systemic racism, and then you have him befriending 1:29:50.520 --> 1:29:55.640 and like becoming best friends with Bubba, who is I 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:58.080 guess not a black character in the book. 1:29:58.240 --> 1:30:00.240 Is that it's just not really stated in the book. 1:30:00.320 --> 1:30:01.760 It's not specified, okay. 1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:04.080 See, and it's also mentioned in the book. I think 1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:07.600 you said that they met in college, not the battlefield, 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:10.840 which felt like pointed to make it because they forego 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:14.040 that in favor of, you know, they make a weird 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:16.760 visual joke of like Forrest doesn't know what's going on 1:30:16.840 --> 1:30:20.040 in this scene where George Wallace is talking, and like 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:23.280 that is done instead of just introducing him to Bubba 1:30:23.360 --> 1:30:28.040 in college, and I feel like it's almost implied that, like, well, 1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:31.000 of course you wouldn't make a black friend in college 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:34.880 during this era. Like it just I don't know, that 1:30:34.880 --> 1:30:38.559 felt very pointed. I wrote down under Bubba, I was like, 1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:43.960 everyone should just watch The Five Bloods instead of this 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:46.800 movie's take on the Vietnam War. Have you guys seen that? 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:47.639 I haven't. 1:30:47.800 --> 1:30:49.120 I haven't seen The Five Bloods. 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:52.320 It came out during the pandemic lockdown, so I think 1:30:52.320 --> 1:30:53.680 that's why a lot of people didn't see it. But 1:30:54.120 --> 1:31:00.320 it was a Spike Lee movie for Netflix. Amazing, but 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:03.880 it's about black Vietnam War veterans, like talking about their 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:07.000 time in the service, and it's a really great movie. 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:10.040 Delroy Lindo is great in it anyways, a movie with 1:31:10.360 --> 1:31:12.200 fifty times more to say than this one. 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:16.439 Right, because all it says about Bubba, for example, is 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:21.760 that he likes shrimp, right, right, all we get to 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:23.240 know about Bubba well. 1:31:23.280 --> 1:31:28.400 And also it feels implied that Bubba is neuro divergent 1:31:28.439 --> 1:31:31.400 in some way as well. 1:31:31.600 --> 1:31:32.639 Seems like it. 1:31:32.880 --> 1:31:35.920 Yeah, but again not something that the movie is going 1:31:35.960 --> 1:31:40.880 to explicitly attempt to talk about. And in the case 1:31:41.080 --> 1:31:45.040 of Forrest, we get a you know, deeply imperfect, but 1:31:45.320 --> 1:31:48.800 we get far more information about Forest like personality and 1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:52.880 interests than Bubba. I mean, it really is just that 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:59.320 one note. I also wanted to mention that in the 1:31:59.479 --> 1:32:03.719 movie they add this detail that he has a protruding lip, 1:32:04.280 --> 1:32:09.760 and they made that actor, the actor playing Bubba, Mikeelty Williamson, 1:32:10.800 --> 1:32:13.920 like put in a prosthetic in order to hold his face. 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:15.160 I was curious about that. 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:17.880 I was as well. But yes, it says Williamson wore 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:22.240 a lip attachment to create Bubba's protruding lip, which again 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:27.320 just feels very caricaturesque and insulting and fucked. 1:32:27.280 --> 1:32:29.719 Like minstrel show kind of thing. 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:36.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the lip did have elements of menstrualsy. 1:32:36.640 --> 1:32:39.640 That made me feel a little strange. It's just a 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:42.120 strange addition. I think that they're trying to kind of 1:32:42.400 --> 1:32:45.240 have him and Bubba feel like a kinship with each 1:32:45.280 --> 1:32:47.760 other because Bubba has this kind of like physical difference 1:32:47.920 --> 1:32:52.120 and then Forrest has this like intellectual cognitive difference, and 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:55.200 maybe that's why they feel like closer to each other. 1:32:55.360 --> 1:32:57.800 But I think maybe it was a bit misguided. 1:32:58.479 --> 1:33:02.360 They could just be friends. That they can just be friends. 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:05.759 Like I was again, it's like we're scriping the bottom 1:33:05.760 --> 1:33:07.360 of the barrel here in terms of like what this 1:33:07.479 --> 1:33:10.960 movie does. I was glad to see that there were 1:33:11.320 --> 1:33:15.040 black soldiers included in this platoon because I actually I 1:33:15.080 --> 1:33:18.840 haven't seen Apocalypse Now bravely it's one of my other 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:20.800 long hauldouts for whatever reason. 1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:25.640 Apocalypse Now, directed by Francis Ford Coppola of Megalopolis. 1:33:26.160 --> 1:33:33.559 No. I love Francis. I I can movies. 1:33:34.439 --> 1:33:37.000 Look, I mean z Mecca is another example of you 1:33:37.120 --> 1:33:38.360 gotta flop at some point. 1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:40.799 All these guys are in their flop era no no, 1:33:40.800 --> 1:33:41.120 no no. 1:33:41.200 --> 1:33:43.640 I love a director who is capable of making the 1:33:43.680 --> 1:33:46.479 most monumental flops but also made like three of the 1:33:46.520 --> 1:33:49.120 most important amazing movies of all time. Like that is, 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:52.679 like that is someone who I'm like cook, You're cooking 1:33:53.600 --> 1:33:57.080 pul Schraders, same garbage movies and amazing movies. I love that. 1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:59.920 Yes, you've got you've got one more in U can 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:02.519 I can feel it, feel it, I can feel it. 1:34:03.840 --> 1:34:06.880 But yeah, that there are black soldiers in Forest Platoon, 1:34:06.920 --> 1:34:09.880 I think is very important because there were I've got 1:34:09.920 --> 1:34:12.759 some data up here. And this is also just something 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:16.800 that is explicitly addressed extensively in The Five Bloods, which 1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:19.680 is I think we should just cover that movie. And 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:22.160 then it's because I feel like it was like underrated, 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:26.080 but that there were three hundred thousand black soldiers who 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:29.440 served in combat roles in the Vietnam War, which proportional 1:34:29.880 --> 1:34:34.120 to Black Americans. At the time, it was absurd, like 1:34:34.200 --> 1:34:37.599 it was. It really was just young men being sent 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:41.439 to die and men who were disproportionately black, And so 1:34:41.840 --> 1:34:46.040 I was glad to see that we have not only 1:34:46.640 --> 1:34:49.600 the representation of black soldiers in Forest Platoon, but we 1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:53.320 get to know one of those soldiers. However, do we 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:56.960 because all we learn is that this guy likes shrimp, 1:34:57.560 --> 1:35:02.280 and that is about the best Eric Roth could do 1:35:02.400 --> 1:35:02.800 for us. 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:07.439 There's something about Tom Hanks being in movies with like 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:10.559 a noble black character, like one of those like noble 1:35:10.600 --> 1:35:13.400 black archetypes, like I think The Green Mile is one 1:35:13.400 --> 1:35:17.479 of them. It's just such a fascinating nineties trope of 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:20.080 this kind of like saintly black character. I mean, we 1:35:20.080 --> 1:35:22.400 don't know as much about Bubba as we do as 1:35:22.439 --> 1:35:24.559 we learn in The Green Mile, but like I feel like, 1:35:25.120 --> 1:35:27.760 you know, it's it's just like an interesting dynamic of 1:35:27.800 --> 1:35:31.160 Tom Hanks playing these kind of white characters who are 1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:33.440 adjacent to these I don't know, it's just fascinating. 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:36.160 Me didn't make that connection, but no, I see it. 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:38.479 I wonder if there's other examples. 1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:41.080 Like witnessing the kind of the suffering or witnessing the 1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:42.760 death of one of these characters. 1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:45.519 I don't know, Yeah, I guess. I was also surprised 1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:50.559 that ultimately Bubba Gump becomes a bigger facet of the 1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:54.760 story than Bubba himself. Was you see Bubba for such 1:35:54.800 --> 1:35:57.000 a short amount of time in the movie, and then 1:35:57.040 --> 1:36:01.920 there's an entire restaurant about it. Again, I was glad 1:36:02.200 --> 1:36:07.200 that Forrest gave Bubba's family a cut of the business. 1:36:07.200 --> 1:36:09.439 I think it took him too long. I think you 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:12.080 should have just done it from the jump. Yeah, And 1:36:12.160 --> 1:36:14.680 I think that like, yeah, Bubba's family was presented in 1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:18.160 this very broad way as well that seemed like both 1:36:18.240 --> 1:36:21.720 cretical of black families and poor families. It just it 1:36:22.280 --> 1:36:24.479 felt so vague. 1:36:24.840 --> 1:36:29.280 Movie version of Yeah, it takes on a very individualist, 1:36:29.520 --> 1:36:33.759 kind of like emotional approach to racism in that forest 1:36:33.880 --> 1:36:37.240 is you know, helping this one black family and you know, 1:36:37.439 --> 1:36:40.160 kind of saving them from poverty. And now the Bubba's 1:36:40.200 --> 1:36:42.400 mom doesn't have to serve shrimp anymore, a white lady 1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:45.639 serving her shrimp. But it's like, that's great, but we're 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:48.960 not actually like fully understanding the implications of you know 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:51.200 what I mean, we're not fully understanding the implications of 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:54.400 why Bubba's family is disenfranchised, which I guess the movie 1:36:54.479 --> 1:36:56.120 kind of hints at when they show that all his 1:36:56.200 --> 1:36:59.639 ancestors have been feeding shrimp to white ladies their whole lives. 1:36:59.640 --> 1:37:02.360 But it just but they don't even like say it's 1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:07.240 so weird. But this movie avoids saying when they're fully comfortable, 1:37:07.280 --> 1:37:10.160 say like name checking the Grand Wizard of the KKK 1:37:10.320 --> 1:37:12.360 in the first five minutes of the movie, it's just 1:37:12.400 --> 1:37:16.519 like I don't know, like like, yeah, I've rewatched that 1:37:16.560 --> 1:37:18.320 part a couple times to be like, but they're not 1:37:18.439 --> 1:37:22.680 explicitly saying what Bubba's family history very likely is in 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:23.160 the South. 1:37:23.439 --> 1:37:27.200 To me, it is alluding to the fact that Bubba's 1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:32.679 grandmother or maybe great grandmother was an enslaved person serving 1:37:32.720 --> 1:37:36.360 shrimp to an enslaver on a plantation, but that is 1:37:36.400 --> 1:37:40.040 presented in a like almost like a visual gag sort 1:37:40.040 --> 1:37:44.280 of way, without again like commenting on anything about systemic 1:37:44.360 --> 1:37:45.840 racism or anything like that. 1:37:45.920 --> 1:37:50.400 I do feel like with Bubba, it's again his family 1:37:50.920 --> 1:37:54.080 deserves that money, right, But yeah, I think it's again 1:37:54.120 --> 1:37:56.880 presented like Forrest did this out of the goodness of 1:37:56.880 --> 1:37:58.960 his heart, and like none of this would have been 1:37:59.040 --> 1:38:02.679 possible if it weren't for this amazing guy, Forest Gump. 1:38:02.720 --> 1:38:04.840 So again it's like he's kind of coming in with 1:38:04.920 --> 1:38:07.360 like the the white saviorism a little bit. They go 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.639 out of their way to mention that Lieutenant Dan didn't 1:38:09.680 --> 1:38:13.439 want me to do this, but I did. And I 1:38:13.439 --> 1:38:17.439 don't know. Just so many of the marginalized characters that 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:21.240 exist around Forest sometimes just seem to be there for 1:38:21.320 --> 1:38:23.439 the audience to be reminded what a good guy Forest 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:27.400 is totally and how much we love him. So, I mean, 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:30.040 I don't Unfortunately, I don't have that much else to 1:38:30.080 --> 1:38:32.599 say about Bubba specifically because we just don't know very 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:36.200 much about him. But I do think that this connects too. 1:38:36.240 --> 1:38:39.360 I think my last point I wanted to make, which 1:38:39.400 --> 1:38:44.080 is that there are I think over ten real historical 1:38:44.120 --> 1:38:49.439 figures that appear in this or whatever are zamechist into 1:38:49.439 --> 1:38:53.920 this movie. They came in on the Polar Express. Wow, 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:58.519 they are all white men. There's no women, there's no 1:38:58.520 --> 1:39:01.040 people of color. You meet two black panthers, but they 1:39:01.120 --> 1:39:05.800 don't bother to ascribe who these black panthers may have been. 1:39:05.920 --> 1:39:08.640 They they're not named, I mean, and I checked to 1:39:08.680 --> 1:39:11.200 make sure, because Abbi Hoffman isn't named, but he's credited 1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:14.760 as Abbie Hoffman. But these actors are just credited as 1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:18.840 black panthers, which to me indicates that there wasn't enough 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:22.920 interest on the part of the production to choose specific 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:25.640 important black panthers to have these characters. 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:28.040 Although I don't know if i'd want like Fred Hampton 1:39:28.479 --> 1:39:33.160 coming into that scene. He just he just like kind 1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:35.000 of walks up and then he's like, this is how 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:36.639 I feel, and he kind of like like a yelling 1:39:36.680 --> 1:39:38.559 at he do they just make him seem so like 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:42.120 they just make everyone involved in the counter culture seems 1:39:42.200 --> 1:39:47.559 so hedonistic and like miserable and like aggressive, their causes 1:39:47.560 --> 1:39:50.360 are kind of pointless, and and Forrest is like, I 1:39:50.360 --> 1:39:52.679 don't get this. These people are weird. And I feel 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:55.320 like that scene is so emblematic of that. Let alone, 1:39:55.320 --> 1:39:57.880 having Jenny get just like fully slapped in the face, 1:39:57.920 --> 1:39:59.520 how this black panther meet. 1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:01.599 The fact that that scene is like played as this 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:05.560 bizarre joke that yeah, that the black panthers in the 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:08.800 unnamed black panthers in the scene are just screaming their 1:40:08.840 --> 1:40:12.800 ideology at Forrest Gump, which is like, I think, like 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:17.440 played into how black panthers were portrayed in pop culture 1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:20.880 as well. I'm trying to think of another exac I 1:40:20.880 --> 1:40:25.479 feel like there is like well angry, yes, like angry 1:40:25.960 --> 1:40:30.400 and ineffective. I think like angry, violent, ineffective. I think 1:40:30.439 --> 1:40:33.320 I'm thinking of some old SNL sketches. I can't pull 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:34.519 exactly what I'm thinking of here. 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:36.400 Yeah, I mean, if you listen to the rhetoric of 1:40:36.439 --> 1:40:40.000 what that guy is saying. He's correct, like he is 1:40:40.080 --> 1:40:42.599 saying he's right, but yeah, very true and correct things, 1:40:42.760 --> 1:40:44.559 but it's reduced to background noise. 1:40:44.920 --> 1:40:48.160 Yeah yeah. And the same way that in the integration 1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:51.519 scene at Forest College, you know, it's like you're hearing 1:40:51.560 --> 1:40:54.479 something that is very significant and then we just sort 1:40:54.520 --> 1:40:57.320 of pan over to like, what are these white characters doing? 1:40:57.439 --> 1:40:58.880 What's Forrest to doing well? 1:40:58.880 --> 1:41:01.080 Again, like to the end of visual goodness of it all, 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:04.040 like him picking up a book. You know, it's like, aw, 1:41:04.200 --> 1:41:07.160 what a kind hearted soul and that's the individual is 1:41:07.160 --> 1:41:09.000 such a nice so nice, you know, and like we 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:12.400 should just all be nice to each other. Yea, yeah, yeah. 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:15.960 Does anyone else have other thoughts on this movie? 1:41:17.160 --> 1:41:19.000 Really, I'm looking through my notes. 1:41:19.280 --> 1:41:22.080 Just something that you also call attention to in your 1:41:22.160 --> 1:41:26.679 video essay, Maya, but the the fact that like the 1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:31.759 tonal and the character and the narrative changes that were 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:35.720 made from the book to the movie adaptation had so 1:41:35.840 --> 1:41:40.519 much to do with money and marketing and like catering 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:46.160 to a very broad American movie going audience, Because if 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:50.640 they had adapted the book more closely with its like, 1:41:50.840 --> 1:41:56.080 you know, satirical tones and critique of American culture. It 1:41:56.160 --> 1:41:58.720 certainly would have been a much bigger financial risk and 1:41:58.880 --> 1:42:03.280 probably would have bombed at the box office because this 1:42:03.439 --> 1:42:07.519 is coming out at a time and you know, this 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:12.320 is still very much the case now where we're not 1:42:12.360 --> 1:42:16.919 as willing to be critical of American history and culture 1:42:17.479 --> 1:42:21.200 and capitalism and all of the things as we should be. 1:42:21.479 --> 1:42:25.160 And so they were just like, let's just whitewash everything 1:42:25.200 --> 1:42:30.280 and sanitize everything and make it this sort of like, wow, 1:42:30.400 --> 1:42:35.080 isn't this such a nice depiction of this nice, friendly guy, 1:42:35.240 --> 1:42:39.759 and let's make sure we say nothing about anything. And 1:42:40.160 --> 1:42:42.720 that made it one of the highest grossing movies of 1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:46.639 nineteen ninety four. Was it first or second? Something like that? 1:42:47.560 --> 1:42:47.880 I think? 1:42:47.960 --> 1:42:51.240 Yeah. And Best Picture winner, if I'm. 1:42:51.040 --> 1:42:55.479 Not misswept, absolutely swept the Oscars. Yeah, over pulp fiction 1:42:55.720 --> 1:42:59.680 and Shawshanks, which are so good. I mean, I'm one 1:42:59.720 --> 1:43:03.400 of the remaining pulp fiction lovers, but. 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:05.320 I'm kind of on the fence about it. But for 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:09.400 my money, Shashaik Redemption should have won Best Picture by 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:10.639 a long shot. 1:43:11.560 --> 1:43:13.920 Yeah. So I just wanted to. 1:43:15.400 --> 1:43:20.360 Point out that Zamechis and you know, the producers and 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:24.000 everything were just like, how can we make money from this? 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:24.639 Right? 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:26.880 Yeah, because this was made on a fifty five million 1:43:26.920 --> 1:43:30.559 dollar budget and grossed six hundred and seventy eight million 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:32.559 at the box office. 1:43:33.160 --> 1:43:33.519 Wild. 1:43:33.640 --> 1:43:35.799 I think one of the reasons Alsell always feel slightly 1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:39.880 complicated about Forrest Gump is because the moviness of it 1:43:40.240 --> 1:43:42.599 and like the big cinema of it is like, in 1:43:42.640 --> 1:43:45.200 one way so awful, and like they sanitized the book 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:48.400 and they made it so they made it conservative catnip 1:43:48.520 --> 1:43:51.240 like it got I hadn't mentioned yet, but it got 1:43:51.320 --> 1:43:53.479 kind of swept up by like far right people like 1:43:53.520 --> 1:43:55.880 Pat Buchanan and New Ginridge, and they kind of used 1:43:55.880 --> 1:43:58.120 it as part of their political campaign in a year 1:43:58.160 --> 1:44:00.639 where Republicans swept the White House for the first time 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:04.280 in like four decades. I was considered like a conservative 1:44:04.400 --> 1:44:07.360 kind of like revolution. But then at the same time, 1:44:07.479 --> 1:44:10.760 it's like sometimes I almost appreciate a movie that man 1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:13.479 and just to like worm itself so deeply into popular 1:44:13.520 --> 1:44:16.600 culture and like manages to be so ubiquitous and like 1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:19.559 such a movie that in some ways when I watch 1:44:19.600 --> 1:44:21.920 it and like I can, I kind of appreciate the 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:25.280 like brazen sentimentality of it because I'm like, wow, that 1:44:25.680 --> 1:44:26.400 is a movie. 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:28.679 The movie feels like a movie. 1:44:29.040 --> 1:44:31.439 Yeah, And I can appreciate kind of the competence of 1:44:31.479 --> 1:44:35.320 the like how powerful it is at like getting people 1:44:35.680 --> 1:44:38.280 to be emotional. But then in other ways that's dangerous 1:44:38.320 --> 1:44:40.519 because of the ways that it can be the ways 1:44:40.520 --> 1:44:43.400 that it's conservative messaging can be kind of like taken 1:44:43.479 --> 1:44:45.599 and adopted and ran with. 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:49.200 Yeah, yeah, which I know you mentioned in your video 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:54.080 and again listeners watched the whole video, but that it 1:44:54.120 --> 1:44:58.040 was this really like right of center attempt to say 1:44:58.360 --> 1:45:00.679 the fact that they've made a movie about forty years 1:45:00.720 --> 1:45:02.880 of American history. They're like, it's an a political movie. 1:45:02.880 --> 1:45:06.160 You're like, not possible, man, Like sorry, that's just not 1:45:06.200 --> 1:45:08.880 possible to do. But that they had the sort of 1:45:09.000 --> 1:45:12.360 right of center like crowd pleasing approach to it. And 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:15.519 you say in your video like the right is better 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:20.320 at turning shit into propaganda, and they very effectively did it, 1:45:20.520 --> 1:45:21.200 very quickly. 1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:23.200 It's one thing they got going for them. 1:45:23.600 --> 1:45:31.280 Then and now unfortunately that's true, except now, maybe the 1:45:31.479 --> 1:45:34.240 CEO shooter is going to bring us all together. 1:45:34.720 --> 1:45:38.120 We can a Lincoln build truly linking and building. 1:45:39.680 --> 1:45:42.680 Wait, does this movie pass the Bechtel's desk. I genuinely 1:45:42.720 --> 1:45:43.160 don't know. 1:45:43.720 --> 1:45:46.559 I didn't even bother paying attention. I don't check. 1:45:46.760 --> 1:45:48.200 No, no, it does. 1:45:48.280 --> 1:45:51.360 I think there's scenes where like Forrest's mom will be 1:45:51.520 --> 1:45:55.439 talking to I think her name is Louise. She's the 1:45:55.520 --> 1:46:01.040 black woman who works for her, Yes, unclear exactly what capacity, 1:46:01.160 --> 1:46:01.840 but I. 1:46:01.760 --> 1:46:04.400 Think she helps with the boarding house kind of vibe. 1:46:06.200 --> 1:46:10.760 And she just was like Louise, Louise, that's Forest, so 1:46:11.720 --> 1:46:14.040 doesn't pass. I think that might be the only interaction 1:46:14.200 --> 1:46:14.960 between women. 1:46:15.439 --> 1:46:17.479 There's also, oh this, I forgot to bring this up 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:21.840 earlier because there's just so much but going into this 1:46:21.920 --> 1:46:25.040 movie's pretty low opinion about sex work. There are two 1:46:25.200 --> 1:46:29.200 named sex workers who are with Lieutenant Dan and Forrest 1:46:30.400 --> 1:46:34.000 on New Year's Eve, Yes whose I have their names here, 1:46:34.240 --> 1:46:39.360 Carla and Lenore, And they do talk to each other, 1:46:39.400 --> 1:46:41.720 but it is about the men in the room, and 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:46.440 they are end up like coming off as cruel ablest 1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:50.360 harpies and that is the end of their. 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:52.400 And Forest is like, I want to sex with her 1:46:52.439 --> 1:46:54.400 because she smelled like cigarettes. 1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:59.240 She's gross, and You're like, all right, and I'm correctly 1:46:59.240 --> 1:47:01.519 assuming we will ever see or hear are these characters 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:05.479 again and these evil witches are you know, provide this 1:47:05.520 --> 1:47:07.679 opportunity for the men to bond? 1:47:08.360 --> 1:47:08.479 Right? 1:47:08.760 --> 1:47:13.200 So yeah, no, this movie. I'm on scholarly journal Bechdel 1:47:13.200 --> 1:47:16.639 test dot com who often ends up doing our podcast 1:47:16.720 --> 1:47:17.200 for us. 1:47:17.680 --> 1:47:20.639 Our podcast is not even we should have a different 1:47:20.720 --> 1:47:25.800 name at this point. 1:47:28.360 --> 1:47:29.920 Were it's just works. 1:47:30.120 --> 1:47:32.040 It's a jumping off point, as we always say. 1:47:32.560 --> 1:47:35.200 Yeah, but anyways, it doesn't pass, although there is a 1:47:35.320 --> 1:47:38.800 very lively comment section on people like it might not. 1:47:39.360 --> 1:47:42.680 Curl says it might not pass the Bechdel test, but 1:47:42.760 --> 1:47:48.280 this movie is far from sexist. I disagree, Curl. I 1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:51.120 agree to disagree, Curl. Anyways, it doesn't pass, and it's 1:47:51.160 --> 1:47:53.600 four thousand hours long, So how do you like that? 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.040 Yeah, well, here's the thing. We got to rate this 1:47:56.160 --> 1:47:59.760 movie on our nipple scale. We sure do the one 1:47:59.760 --> 1:48:02.840 true metric, where on a scale of zero to five 1:48:02.920 --> 1:48:06.600 nipples we rate the movie examining it through an intersectional 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:14.559 feminist lens. Oh like zero point five nipples. I think 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:18.600 that Jenny and being able to kind of like reclaim 1:48:18.760 --> 1:48:21.920 her to some degree or like see yourself in her 1:48:22.200 --> 1:48:29.040 as someone who strikes out on her own and engages 1:48:29.360 --> 1:48:35.479 in counterculture and activism and ignores and defies the like 1:48:35.680 --> 1:48:41.000 genderle expectations of the time, the conservative ones at least, 1:48:41.120 --> 1:48:44.960 and you know, just like makes a life for herself. 1:48:45.840 --> 1:48:48.840 And I think there's like you can admire her for that, 1:48:49.680 --> 1:48:53.559 But everything else about the way she's characterized, and about 1:48:53.600 --> 1:48:57.519 the movie overall, and its refusal to say really anything 1:48:57.560 --> 1:49:01.200 of substance. I mean, I do think there are several 1:49:01.280 --> 1:49:04.519 parts that are very emotionally compelling, So I get the 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:07.040 appeal of this movie on that level. Obviously, when I 1:49:07.080 --> 1:49:10.280 was a kid watching this movie on repeat, That's what 1:49:10.360 --> 1:49:13.680 I was drawn to. But there were so many opportunities 1:49:13.720 --> 1:49:18.599 to say, you know, pretty not controversial things about American history, 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:23.719 such as the Vietnam War was a horrible mistake, racial 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:28.759 segregation was a horrible mistake, But instead the movie opts 1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:34.280 to just be like, remember this from the good old days. 1:49:35.120 --> 1:49:38.800 And so I can't stand by the movie anymore because 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:41.120 of that. Not that every movie has to make some 1:49:41.720 --> 1:49:45.920 grand socio political statement, but if you're going to walk 1:49:46.000 --> 1:49:51.280 us through several decades of highly politicized American history and 1:49:51.320 --> 1:49:55.719 say more or less nothing about it, then like, what's 1:49:55.960 --> 1:50:00.680 the point of the movie. So I'll give it zero 1:50:00.720 --> 1:50:05.519 point five nipples, and I'll give it to Jenny the 1:50:05.640 --> 1:50:07.720 character the end. 1:50:08.720 --> 1:50:16.679 I'll give it I guess one. I guess. I don't know. Yeah, 1:50:16.720 --> 1:50:20.479 I agree that Jenny. I think, to differing degrees, Jenny 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:25.439 and Lieutenant Dan are characters that are deeply flawed and 1:50:25.600 --> 1:50:29.200 are reclaimable. Probably not in a way that the filmmakers intended, 1:50:29.320 --> 1:50:34.479 but that's that's how movies work. I don't know. With all, 1:50:35.160 --> 1:50:39.400 with all due respect to Forrest gump Heads, like, we're 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:41.880 right and you're wrong, and I guess that's just something 1:50:41.920 --> 1:50:44.040 that you're gonna have to make your peace with. 1:50:44.640 --> 1:50:47.120 Not the gump Heads. 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:53.680 Gump Nation is in shambles after this. We're gonna have 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:55.720 tomatoes thrown at us when we go to Bubba Gump 1:50:55.720 --> 1:50:58.040 at CityWalk. Gump Nation's gonna come for us. 1:50:58.120 --> 1:50:59.439 It's a risk I'm willing to take. 1:51:00.560 --> 1:51:03.360 There are Robert Zebeki's movies I like, but anytime he's 1:51:03.400 --> 1:51:07.320 trying to say something serious, it is so unseerious. Like 1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:10.840 he's a great example of a director who's like ability 1:51:11.000 --> 1:51:15.320 and talent and sense of whimsy I respect, but I 1:51:15.520 --> 1:51:19.760 don't care what he thinks about fucking anything like you know, 1:51:19.920 --> 1:51:22.720 he couldn't be bothered to read the source material. One 1:51:22.800 --> 1:51:24.920 nipple and I'm giving it to baby Hayley. 1:51:25.680 --> 1:51:30.760 Oh yes, so small, just not very bit. 1:51:31.439 --> 1:51:33.599 I'm gonna give it one and a half for all 1:51:33.600 --> 1:51:38.240 the reasons you guys said, and also because I appreciate 1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:41.200 my teenage instinct to cry at this movie, you know, 1:51:41.520 --> 1:51:46.439 and I think that I'll cherish that regardless of how 1:51:46.479 --> 1:51:49.840 I feel icky about it now It's true. 1:51:50.080 --> 1:51:52.200 Well, may thank you so much for joining us for 1:51:52.240 --> 1:51:56.760 this discussion. So enjoyed having you. 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