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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. John Schmolk, Lance Medal

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Speaker 1: the season. But we're gonna start off with the guest,

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Speaker 1: one of the fantastic analyst from Pro Football Focus a

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Speaker 1: front of the program. It's Sam Monson. Sam, you got

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Speaker 1: John Schmock and Lance Meado here in East Rutherford, Happy playoffs?

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Pal doing pretty good? How about you guys,

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Speaker 1: We're doing great, Sam. Um, let's get right to the

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Speaker 1: brass tacks to start. The Giants started the season one

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Speaker 1: and seven. They finished four and four. Did you guys

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Speaker 1: at Pro Football Focus see a big difference in the

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Speaker 1: grading and how well the team played. That would explain

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Speaker 1: the change in the record from the first half of

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Speaker 1: the year to the second half of the year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a team that showed a bit

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Speaker 1: of progression over the season. Um, something started to come together. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent on this team as well,

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Speaker 1: a guy like say Kwon Barkley, I think dramatically exceeded

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Speaker 1: expectations even among the people that thought he was going

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Speaker 1: to be outstanding, you know, the reason they took him

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Speaker 1: so high in the draft. But as much as they

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Speaker 1: kind of improved down the stretch, the things that were

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Speaker 1: the things that were keeping this team bank still ultimately

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Speaker 1: kind of put the cap on how good they could

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Speaker 1: be when you look at some of the changes they

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Speaker 1: made on the offensive line, Sam, and I think this

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Speaker 1: goes in unison with perhaps the first half production versus

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Speaker 1: the second half production. They claimed Jimon Brown off of

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Speaker 1: waivers when he parted ways with the Rams. How much

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Speaker 1: of a difference did you see out of the right

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Speaker 1: side of the offensive line when they had the combination

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Speaker 1: of Brown as well as Wheeler and and Pully even

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Speaker 1: at center. Pully is a fair one to include as well.

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Speaker 1: That's a fair point. And moving forward when you evaluate

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Speaker 1: that group, Sam, how much more work do you think

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Speaker 1: including the center position as well. Yeah, I think there

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Speaker 1: is still more work to be done there. You know.

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Speaker 1: John Greco I think is a really talented player and

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Speaker 1: he didn't have the best season he's had UM at all.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's probably the worst season we've seen from

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Speaker 1: him UM, and you're dealing with the guy that obviously

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Speaker 1: missed time as well. I think the left side is

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Speaker 1: bit disappointing given the money they invested in him and

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Speaker 1: how good he's been in the past, But at the

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Speaker 1: very minimum, he was a solid resolution to the left

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Speaker 1: tackle position. And I think Will Hernandez was pretty good

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Speaker 1: He had some really good games in there. He had

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Speaker 1: a couple of bad games in there as well, but overall,

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Speaker 1: I think he played pretty well as a rookie and

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Speaker 1: you could kind of call that left side pretty set.

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Speaker 1: I think the right side, though almost regardless of the

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Speaker 1: they sped up getting the ball out of Elett Manning's

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Speaker 1: of course, the ability of Sae Kwon Barkley to be

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Speaker 1: And three of those guys are on your bottom five

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Speaker 1: at end of the year. And you know, Sam, thanks

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Speaker 1: the great data that your guy mad over there, your

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Speaker 1: in the year. I kind of looked at how the

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, so that that methodology of play is

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Speaker 1: still a very effective system in today's NFL. We're talking

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Speaker 1: with Sam An said Pro Football Focuses lead NFL analysts

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Speaker 1: and on that subject, you know, we were talking league

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Speaker 1: wide here as John asked you the question, Sam, but

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Speaker 1: when you look at specifically how it caters to Eli

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Speaker 1: moved forward with Eli Manning And what did you see

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Speaker 1: not necessary for that kind of system to function. You know,

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Speaker 1: gonna be even camp on his production within that system. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to keep going a little more in depth

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Speaker 1: the you know, top ten quarterback and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Where did you see Eli have the most problems this

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Speaker 1: I think this season kind of it proved what we

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Speaker 1: It's in that kind of ballpark. He just didn't make

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Speaker 1: making as many mistakes he's ever made the pot. Now,

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Speaker 1: You know, his average depth of target was way down

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Speaker 1: still you know, the percentage of his yards he came

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Speaker 1: runs being shut down at the line of script. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I guess my only other follow would be this. And

433
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Speaker 1: now you guys do a great job with the analytics.

434
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Speaker 1: I wonder if you've looked at this, does it help

435
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Speaker 1: a team to win games more to have the explosive

436
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Speaker 1: guy like Barkley who will have more negative carriage but

437
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Speaker 1: more big carries as well, or does it help a

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Speaker 1: team to win more to have a guy that's more

439
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Speaker 1: consistent that will get you more, you know, three to six,

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Speaker 1: three to seven every time he tolds the ball. Is

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Speaker 1: there an impact on helping a team win depending on

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Speaker 1: what type of back you have, right, I think there's

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Speaker 1: something we've actually looked into. But just from what I

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Speaker 1: know of the way these numbers work in other ways,

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Speaker 1: I would expect actually that you're better off with the

446
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Speaker 1: guy that's going to make the big plays versus the

447
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Speaker 1: guy that's going to consistently pick you up interesting little

448
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Speaker 1: positive getting in every single play, the explosive game changing plays.

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Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting exam where you built the

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Speaker 1: parallel between Barkley making up for the negative plays doing

451
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Speaker 1: enough versus manning the big throws versus the risky throws,

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Speaker 1: and how you always want somebody as long as they're

453
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Speaker 1: making up for the negative you can at least deal

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Speaker 1: with it. So I thought that was an interesting parallel.

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Speaker 1: Now we want to transition to defense, which obviously was

456
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Speaker 1: an issue for the Giants in many different respects, and

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Speaker 1: I have some of the numbers in front of me, Sam,

458
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Speaker 1: I know you're familiar with the numbers, but if they're

459
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Speaker 1: struggles that you want to highlight here in the wake

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Speaker 1: of the two thousand eighteen season, the rushing defense is

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Speaker 1: something that certainly comes to the forefront, third down defense,

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Speaker 1: and then of course sacks, where they finished tied for thirty.

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Speaker 1: When you look back at the Giants defensive performance this season,

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Speaker 1: what is the most alarming aspect that drastically needs to

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Speaker 1: improve as they get set for the two thousand nineteen offseason. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's all about the pass game. It's it's

467
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Speaker 1: coverage on the back end and pass rush up um.

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Speaker 1: You know, most of the most important parts of defense. Obviously,

469
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Speaker 1: this is a passing league and it's all about it's

470
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Speaker 1: all about being able to pass the ball and stop

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Speaker 1: stop the pass on the back end, and the Giants

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Speaker 1: kind of struggle on that. The two areas I think

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Speaker 1: that are the most obvious is heading into the season,

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Speaker 1: it really looked like their pass rush was just Olivier

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Speaker 1: Vernon and nobody else, and that's kind of what happened.

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Speaker 1: You know, we saw a little bit of life from

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Speaker 1: a guy like d J. Hill in the middle. Um.

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Speaker 1: He had a decent number of pressures, had six sacks,

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Speaker 1: but he had a hit in twenty hurries as well,

480
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Speaker 1: which a decent return. And we got flashes every now

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Speaker 1: and again from Lorene del Carter, but really it was

482
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Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon eight sacks, thirteen hits, twenty five hurries by

483
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Speaker 1: far the most on the team, the only guy really

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Speaker 1: providing that sustained pressures at the season. And then the

485
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Speaker 1: other area of concern was in the secondary, where that

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years ago, that secondary looks

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Speaker 1: so formidable. You had um generous Jenkins coming over from

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Speaker 1: the Rams and putting out a career year looking like

489
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Speaker 1: his phenomenal number one shutdown corner. But the longer things go,

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Speaker 1: the more that year looks like an anomaly in his career.

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Speaker 1: His numbers that basically reverted back to what they were

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Speaker 1: with the Rams the four years before that, And at

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Speaker 1: the time we were saying, I mean, this doesn't look

494
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Speaker 1: like a great signing from the four years we've seen

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Speaker 1: from his Rams career. This is a guy that allowed

496
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Speaker 1: a passer rating into his coverage around the hundreds, giving

497
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Speaker 1: up like five touchdowns a year, um surrendering to the

498
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Speaker 1: seven hundred plus yards over the season and that season

499
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Speaker 1: was completely different, conserrating a lovedrop like forty points. He

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Speaker 1: gave up fewer touchdowns, he had more pots breakups. But

501
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: since then he kind of reverted back to the old

502
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles rams you or Jenkins, And that's the problem

503
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Speaker 1: because that means you don't have that number one shutdown

504
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Speaker 1: quarter anymore. Well, I think you brought up to two

505
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Speaker 1: guys that we kind of wanted to touch on him.

506
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Speaker 1: I know there's some talks whether the Giants want to

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Speaker 1: make a decision on either Vernon or Jenkins after the year,

508
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Speaker 1: And I guess I'll put it to you this way,

509
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Speaker 1: because you guys use things like you know, war and

510
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Speaker 1: and wore things like that on the NFL side, How

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Speaker 1: replaceable are Vernon and Jenkins in terms of finding somebody

512
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Speaker 1: to bring in to give you similar production? With finances

513
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Speaker 1: obviously a factor here, if the Giants decide to move

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Speaker 1: on from them at some point during this offseason, I said,

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Speaker 1: I would be reluctant to do that for a guy

516
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Speaker 1: like Vernon. I think, you know, he may be on

517
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Speaker 1: a little bit more money than you would expect for

518
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Speaker 1: the production that he's going to get. He isn't a

519
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Speaker 1: top five kind of points rusher, but he's the top

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Speaker 1: fifteen kind of poss rusher, and that puts you in

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Speaker 1: the realm of guys like Frank Clark, like Miles Gallant,

522
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Speaker 1: like you know, Justin Houston's and l Hunters. This year

523
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Speaker 1: in terms of PF that great. That's a good spot

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Speaker 1: to be in. And more to the point, he's the

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Speaker 1: only guy you've got anywhere near that standard. So at

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Speaker 1: the moment, your pons rustions Olivier Vernon and basically nobody else.

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Speaker 1: If you get rid of Olivier Vernon because he's earning

528
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Speaker 1: a little bit too much money, then your pass rusher

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Speaker 1: is nobody um and that's a real problem to try

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Speaker 1: And yeah, manufrom with your pass rushing somewhere, then you've

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Speaker 1: got to attack the position hard in the draft and

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Speaker 1: probably free agency. I think Vernon is justifying the money

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Speaker 1: he's on a well worth keeping around. The question. I

534
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Speaker 1: think is a lot more violent with generics Jenkins because

535
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Speaker 1: of the decline who he's seen from him, Like, he

536
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Speaker 1: hasn't proven that he can back up that one spectacular

537
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: season the first year he arrives at the team, and

538
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Speaker 1: that means that he isn't justifying that kind of money,

539
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Speaker 1: and I think the level he's playing out at the

540
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Speaker 1: moment is a far more replaceable level. Even if you

541
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Speaker 1: do need you know, you need more than just your Norris.

542
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Speaker 1: You need a couple of cornerbacks that can come in

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Speaker 1: and hold up their own, you know, as much as

544
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Speaker 1: as important as stopping the past is. In today's NFL,

545
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Speaker 1: the old adage used to be you can never have

546
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Speaker 1: too many poss rushers. I think now if you can

547
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: never have too many quality players in coverage on the

548
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Speaker 1: back end. You know, teams are playing more nickel defense,

549
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: more dying defense than ever before. That's five six defensive facts.

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00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: You need to be able to go deep into the

551
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Speaker 1: boat planet opposition at the moment where we're having questions

552
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Speaker 1: about the Giants number one guy. So again it's it's

553
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Speaker 1: tough to say you should get rid of that guy

554
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Speaker 1: because he's earning the money, because as much as he

555
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: isn't justifying that, he's still the best option. I've said.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Sam Anst Pro Football Focuses lead NFL

557
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: analysts and speaking of replacing individuals, they decided to trade

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Speaker 1: Damon Snacks Harrison at the trade deadline, and they had

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Speaker 1: v J. Hill, who they drafted, and they also had

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson, And I think a lot of people would

561
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Speaker 1: point to and this goes without saying, Snacks is arguably

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Speaker 1: one of the best run stoppers in the NFL. You

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Speaker 1: eliminate him, clearly, you're rushing defense is going to struggle.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, they felt that they also wanted

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Speaker 1: to give more playing time to Tomlinson and Hill. What

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Speaker 1: did you see, Sam out of specifically those two players,

567
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Speaker 1: and how much upside is there that maybe not they

568
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: can't be the equivalent of Snacks, but at least trend

569
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Speaker 1: in that direction of getting back to being consistent run

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Speaker 1: stopping presences. Yeah, I think both those guys had above

571
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Speaker 1: average run defense grade. Hamason and Potatular I think is

572
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Speaker 1: a very good run defender. And I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: the wrong move to let Damon Arison go. I think

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of things that work here. One, run

575
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Speaker 1: defense is like the least important aspect of playing defense

576
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: in today's NFL. You know it's right, It's it's the

577
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: same logic that says Poston game is everything. Run defense

578
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: just isn't as important anymore. And as long as you

579
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Speaker 1: can be anywhere around average. You're fine. You don't need

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Speaker 1: the elite run stuff in units and in particular, when

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Speaker 1: teams are popsing so much, unique guys to be able

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Speaker 1: to be able to do both, And in particular b J.

583
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: Hill has shown that he can do both. Um his

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00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: poss rush and his run defense grade is pretty good

585
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Speaker 1: this season, and that's better than having a guy that's

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Speaker 1: it's a one trick Ponium brings nothing as a Possi rusher.

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00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: The caveat to that is that Samon Harrison is so

588
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: good run defense that he does change things on his own.

589
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, he will make an impact with defense that

590
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: goes beyond simply getting a little bit better in the

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Speaker 1: run game. So I think it's probably the right move

592
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: overall because those two players can replace what he brought

593
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: the thing overall instead of net terms work out a

594
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: better value proposition. But you're never going to be able

595
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Speaker 1: to replace what Damon Harrison brings to defense because he's

596
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: so good against the run. It just it kind of

597
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: breaks the scale and breaks the logic to these things

598
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: worked off. Yeah, absolutely, Sam, Two more questions for you.

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Speaker 1: One second level the defense the linebacker position. They brought

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Speaker 1: al Obiltree, They have b J Goodson and only through

601
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Quarter into the mix. I know he's more of

602
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. Um your thoughts on those guys on

603
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Speaker 1: the second level and do you think if that is

604
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Speaker 1: that one of the spots where the Giants really need

605
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: help because they got killed in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: field all year on defense. It is and I think

607
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Speaker 1: this has been, I give you their biggest problem position

608
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Speaker 1: for years. You know, the Giants have not been able

609
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Speaker 1: to find the good answer at lineback here for a

610
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: long time now. I think part of it is because

611
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Speaker 1: they haven't tried that hard to find a good answer

612
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: line back there for a while now. They haven't thrown

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Speaker 1: the resources into it. Alec Ogel three was a guy

614
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Speaker 1: who had a couple of really good games this season,

615
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Speaker 1: but they were almost entirely predicated by the Giants trying

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Speaker 1: to hide him in that game. You know, we we

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Speaker 1: said going into the Chicago Bearts game that the matchup

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Speaker 1: between alec Ogil three and Trek Cohen could be an

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Speaker 1: absolute disaster on paper for the Giants. You know, Cohen

620
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Speaker 1: is one of these match matchup nightmares out of the

621
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Speaker 1: backfield and Ogil three is not a good coverage linebacker

622
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Speaker 1: at his best. That just had bad news written all

623
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Speaker 1: over it, so that I think the Giants knew that

624
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Speaker 1: their game plan was to put Landon Collins on three

625
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Speaker 1: Cohen a Ton and try and essentially get get Ogle

626
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Speaker 1: three out of that matchup, and it worked because of

627
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: men they kept popping up places that they weren't expecting him.

628
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Speaker 1: Knew they've to get intersections and that kind of thing,

629
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: but all Go three is just not capable of getting

630
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: it done at this level. Houston trending that way for

631
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Speaker 1: a while now. I think this is this worst season

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Speaker 1: for a while. So it's a move that we didn't

633
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Speaker 1: love at the time, and I think it's been justified

634
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Speaker 1: as not really working out. I think the linebacker is

635
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 1: a little bit like running back in terms of it

636
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: being maybe the most replaceable position on a defense and

637
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: therefore when the teams are are reluctant to throw big

638
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: money at or invest heavily in. But I think the

639
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: same thing holds true in terms of you can find

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Speaker 1: these guys now in the dround to have that kind

641
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Speaker 1: of impact. You know, you don't necessarily need to throw

642
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Speaker 1: a first round pick out. You can you need to

643
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: concentrate on targeting these guys in the mid rounds and

644
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: you can find talent that can play that position to

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00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: a higher level than the Giants have got playing at

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Speaker 1: the moment, Sam, you brought up Landed Collins and last

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Speaker 1: one for me, and you also when referring to Generous

648
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Speaker 1: Jenkins earlier, we're talking about that two thousand sixteen season

649
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Speaker 1: and then maybe not necessarily being able to duplicate that

650
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Speaker 1: production resorting back to what you saw out of him

651
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Speaker 1: with the Rams, will Landon Collins had that unbelievable two

652
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Speaker 1: thousand sixteen season and since then, maybe the numbers don't

653
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Speaker 1: statistically jump off the page. He's also been plagued by

654
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Speaker 1: injuries each of the last two seasons. With that being said,

655
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Speaker 1: the Giants have a decision to make this offseason he

656
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: is due to hit free agency. They could use the

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Speaker 1: franchise tag two. Part question one Financially, what type of

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Speaker 1: investment do you think Landon Collins is worth at this

659
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Speaker 1: stage in his career? And Part two Statistically, even though

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Speaker 1: the numbers don't necessarily jump off the page like two

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Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, the last two years, has he still been

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Speaker 1: playing at that same level in your mind, No, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he has. I think he has taken steps

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Speaker 1: back since that incredible season. Part of it that was

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Speaker 1: I think inevitable. That was a defensive Player of the

666
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Speaker 1: Year Colt Deason who was truly spectacular. I think last

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Speaker 1: year he was playing closer to that level than he

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Speaker 1: was this year. This year, I think it was a

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Speaker 1: notable step backwards. But I think he's capable of playing

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Speaker 1: at you know, Pro Bowl, all Pro level if he's

671
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Speaker 1: if he's fully healthy going forward. So with that in mind,

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Speaker 1: I think you have to you have to essentially ask

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Speaker 1: yourself how valuable that position is. And again, a bit

674
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Speaker 1: life linebacker, I think it's one of the more replaceable

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Speaker 1: positions in the NFL. We've seen. The issue with safety

676
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: is not the guy that plays in the box, the

677
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Speaker 1: strong safety that can get involved in the play. It's

678
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Speaker 1: trying to find the guy that can play deep middle

679
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Speaker 1: um and the free safety role and give you the

680
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Speaker 1: freedom to run those single high shells that that has

681
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: become so popular in today's NFL. That's the harder position

682
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: to fill, and a lot of players that got kind

683
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: of moved down into the box were able to have

684
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Speaker 1: career seasons and um and play at a much higher

685
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Speaker 1: level than they were when they were passed to being

686
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Speaker 1: the free safety. So I think you can probably replace that,

687
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Speaker 1: but Collins has shown that he's able to do that

688
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Speaker 1: at such a spectacular level. I think they have to

689
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Speaker 1: try and bring him back and see if they can

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Speaker 1: get him back towards mv our defensive MVP caliber season. Sam,

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Speaker 1: I want to promote your podcast. I think you and

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00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: Steve Palzo do a great job the pff NFL podcast.

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Speaker 1: You guys do a review of the prior week, you

694
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Speaker 1: do a preview of the following week. I know your

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Speaker 1: preview video is not up yet, and I think one

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Speaker 1: interesting thing you guys will talking about with the playoffs

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Speaker 1: is the new idea of balance that you guys are

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Speaker 1: kind of creating over there. Not run pass balance, but

699
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Speaker 1: a different type of balance. And that's why you guys

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Speaker 1: think these are the four best teams in the league

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Speaker 1: right right absolutely, And it's not you know, this isn't

702
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Speaker 1: a new idea or a unique idea that we've been creating.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys who've been talking about this,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Mike Leach at Washington State, whether it's Big

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Speaker 1: Fangio when he got hired as the coach of the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: You know, everyone wants to talk about balance is being

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Speaker 1: run run game versus post game, but bolence is not

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Speaker 1: a run past thing. Violence is simply the ability to

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Speaker 1: keep a defense off violence, and however you need to

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Speaker 1: do that. Whether it's you know, vertical versus short posting game,

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Speaker 1: whether it's being able to bread teams horizontally and just

712
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Speaker 1: making sure you're doing enough things that defense can't key

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Speaker 1: on what you're doing and shut you down. That's violence.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily have to be a run game thing

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Speaker 1: or plant game thing, just a variety of things you

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Speaker 1: run off and well to keep a defense off violence.

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Speaker 1: Who do you like this weekend? Stave Sam? I think

718
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: both home home teams have to be the favorite, but

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00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: of one of the away teams is going to get

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Speaker 1: an upset. I kind of like the Rams to do

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Speaker 1: what I think Ultimately they're still the number one graded

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Speaker 1: team in PFF if you include the whole season, and

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Speaker 1: I think they figured last week was being for them

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Speaker 1: in terms of showing they have a plan B. When

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Speaker 1: the team rolls in with the game plan to slow

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Speaker 1: down that offense. But I think they'll have a better

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Speaker 1: shot of knocking up the same bit of time around

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Speaker 1: when they did a lot of time, Sam, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, my friend. Thanks so much and

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Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of the postseason. Bud, Yeah, thanks a lot, Sam,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Sam Monson does an awesome job

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Speaker 1: front of the program. We love him to death. Check

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus at PF you can subscribe. They have

734
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Speaker 1: all the different packages and again the p F NFL

735
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: podcast him is Steve palsoh do it a couple of

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Speaker 1: times a week and they do a real good job

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Speaker 1: with that as well. It's on all your podcast stations,

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Speaker 1: Lancer Major takeaways before we get to your calls at two, one, five,

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Speaker 1: on three, Well, there was so much boy to narrow

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Speaker 1: it down to one takeaway, maybe we could give me

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Speaker 1: a couple of big ones that you're like, oh, well,

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00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: one is which I think gets overlooked. And you and

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Speaker 1: I have talked about this on this program. What Vernon

744
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: did in the second half of the season. I don't

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00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: think he's appreciated enough because everybody just brings up he

746
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: was injured. They needed him in the early stage of

747
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: the season, so we sort of dismiss then what he

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Speaker 1: brought to the table when he was healthy, and Sam

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Speaker 1: I think supported that with his statistics. I think even

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Speaker 1: the eye test to a certain degree back that up.

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Speaker 1: That to just part ways with him and not having

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00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: planned B, plan C, plan D, I think it's a

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00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: very risky move for the Giants. So, you know, for

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Speaker 1: Giants fans who are not fond of him because of

755
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: some of the reasons had to deal with, I would

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00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: not jump to conclusions that, hey, you pick another Vernon

757
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: off a tree and you'll be able to sign him

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00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: in free agency. So that to me is one of

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Speaker 1: the most notable takeaways. The other one, which I'm not

760
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Speaker 1: surprised to hear, but we had to ask him the question,

761
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Speaker 1: is that he's not very enamored with the veteran quarterback

762
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: free agent class. We asked him a question. Wasn't like

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Speaker 1: he was saying, hey you He basically said there, basically

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00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: said there were no good options and for agencies. Basically

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Speaker 1: what he said, well, because of this fascination and you know,

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Speaker 1: people being enamored with Nick Foles. In no disrespect, I

767
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: think it's phenomenal what he's done over the last two seasons.

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Speaker 1: But I also think you have to take into consideration

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia environment that scheme John in front of them,

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Speaker 1: and you know, so you take that quarterback out of

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Speaker 1: that environment, are you guaranteeing me that it's going to

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Speaker 1: be duplicated and the same thing to a certain degree

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00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: with Teddy Bridgewater and some of these other quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, who I know somebody wrote you on Twitter

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00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: that automatically I'll put him at the top of the

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00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: list because he's a small guy. But I was high.

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Speaker 1: It was the you have the laugh that chuck. That's

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Speaker 1: why I laugh at his expense, your expense and Mike

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00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: of course. So I by the way, I don't have

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Speaker 1: an opinion on him. I have not watched him enough

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Speaker 1: to have one. So well, I agree with Sam that

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Speaker 1: from what I've seen, much like I was very high

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Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield and joke all you want about I

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00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: only land support small guys. But yeah, exactly. But Kyler,

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00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: I think is in that conversation. I don't think it's

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00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: crazy now he runs a lot more than Baker does,

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Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of upside. However, with

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Speaker 1: that being said, much like I don't think Baker was

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Speaker 1: going to be a fit for the Giants. I'm not

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Speaker 1: so sure that I see Kyler as a fit for

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Speaker 1: the Giants as well. And now Kyler doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: personality stuff, but it's not it's not the personality and

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Speaker 1: it's not the lack of talent. It's looking at the

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Speaker 1: track record of this organization, John at the quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: and looking at Eli Manning's profile and his height and

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Speaker 1: how he's built, and I just don't see Kyler Murray

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00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: fitting into where the Giants have gone with quarterbacks that

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00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: carry Collins of the world, the Eli Manning and if

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00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: you remember Pat Shermer said, I forget what it was.

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Speaker 1: At some point this season, Salmon had the quote, I

801
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: know one of his stories where he likes the big

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00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: quarterback and it's good for the big quarterback to see

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00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: over the line. That's the one thing is not well.

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00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: And that's also if people want to criticize, and probably

805
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is the exception to the rule, but even

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00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: to the same people would say, then please, he might

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Speaker 1: be five nine. Well, I said, Muggsy was five three,

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Speaker 1: and it's a different sport. I know it's sort but

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00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: we just got to make sure that people at least

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00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: give respect with respect. So those are the two. Not

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Speaker 1: to beat around the bush and the labor a point here,

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00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 1: but those are the two things. I think that's fair,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to watching Murray. I thought his

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Speaker 1: point on Haskins was interesting. He didn't even bring up

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Speaker 1: any other quarterbacks, so I guess they don't have much,

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00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: you know. He said it's not a very strong class.

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00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: So uh. And you know, they felt very strongly about

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Speaker 1: Baker last year. They liked Donald last year, they liked

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Speaker 1: Rosen last year. So they did like guys last year. UM,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens with that. I thought the

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Speaker 1: Eli stuff is interesting. I thought for the most part

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Speaker 1: the stuff Sam said was was fair. I think his grades,

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Speaker 1: their grades on him, I think are a little bit rough.

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Speaker 1: They haven't down in Blake Bortles territory. I'm sorry. Eli.

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Speaker 1: Manning is a better quarterback than Blake Bortles. It just is.

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Speaker 1: And I have all the respect in the world for

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Speaker 1: what PFF does. I think that. I think I don't

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Speaker 1: think people understand how thorough their process is. They have

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Speaker 1: former NFL people check their grades too, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're extremely, extremely thorough. Um, they are limited

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Speaker 1: in some way by not knowing the team's game plans

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00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: and plays. I get that, but the way they do it,

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00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: they give themselves a lot of areas to to find

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Speaker 1: mistakes and correct them, and they do as throw of

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Speaker 1: a job as possible. But Manning is a better quarterback

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Speaker 1: than that, I felt, and I would have to go

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Speaker 1: back and count, and I'm not sure if to have

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Speaker 1: time to do it. I felt like, especially in the

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Speaker 1: second half of the year, I saw Eli Manning make

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Speaker 1: a lot of big time throws where he where he

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Speaker 1: kind of pops it. I mean happening those passes to

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Speaker 1: Corey Colman down the sideline, the passes Cony Lattimer, Starling Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: He made a lot of those big time throws in

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Speaker 1: the second half of the year, where you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how to calculate that that is a judgment call.

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Speaker 1: What's a big time throwing? Again, I trust I'm not

847
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Speaker 1: trying to downplay PF. I think they're great, but I

848
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: think you saw his ability to make big time throws,

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Speaker 1: especially in the second half of the year, So I

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Speaker 1: think with that maybe I would disagree with them a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I'm with you, Like anything else, and

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Speaker 1: this is more of a message to our fans, our listeners,

853
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: and you gotta put everything in perspective. Profitable focus isn't

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Speaker 1: the be all end all, it's it's a tool in

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Speaker 1: the toolbox exactly, just like statistics are a tool in

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Speaker 1: the toolbox. The eye text, what we say, what you think,

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00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: what your third removed cousin thinks. You gotta take everything

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Speaker 1: into consideration. There is no one individual who's the king

859
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 1: of all perspectives that we only provide their take. There's

860
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: one Well, I don't know where we were gonna go

861
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: with this. Okay, Well I figured you were gonna go.

862
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna throw it back in my face.

863
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: You got to have a nice another chuckle. Yes, well,

864
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: I guess he goes in his own territory too, So

865
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: he's another piece of the table here for those of

866
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: you who are watching, as I visually moved from side

867
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: to side of our set up here, and I think

868
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: the way that I look at what Sam had to

869
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: say is Sam's not just throwing out numbers. Sam was

870
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: providing some analysis and background into those and contacts. Correct,

871
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: that's important. It's one thing to just throw out a number.

872
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: A guy had x amount of interceptions. Okay, well, some

873
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: of the interceptions may have been deflections off of receiver's hands,

874
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: may have been because of pressure. Like anything else, you

875
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: gotta provide proper content. And he might have also had

876
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: some turnover worthy throws that opposing players dropped or didn't

877
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: intercept even though there it's a poor throw. And you know,

878
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: we we saw that for example, that Prescott didn't throw

879
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: an interception last week again against the Rams. But you

880
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: know what, he actually did throw an interception. He threw

881
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: the ball right at the chest of the defensive player.

882
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: The fact that he drops it and he isn't charged

883
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: with an interception doesn't make that Prescott a better player.

884
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: It just means he got lucky the guy dropped to pick.

885
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: It was still a terrible throw. So those are the

886
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: things you have to look at. And again, moving forward,

887
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: you're not making and this is the point Sam made

888
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: taking the draft aside, you're not making the ELI manning

889
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: decision in a vacuum. And as he said, from the

890
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: veterans at least that are out there, there's really not

891
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: a better option. And that's kind of the point that

892
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: me and Lance have been making. And that's kind of

893
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: where we're at okay, let's get to your calls. You've

894
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: been waiting long enough. The two five, one, three. We've

895
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: got three guys on hold of a couple more. People

896
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: want to try it again, and we'll try to get you.

897
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: If you go a little bit past one, we can.

898
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: I know the guest was a little bit long to John,

899
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't need to cut you off before you go

900
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: to the phone lines, and we do want to fit

901
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: in as everything possible. Dan Salomon are fine producer today

902
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: found that exact quote. I think it's worth at least

903
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: reading it to the audience. Go ahead, least absolutely, because

904
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: this was a good point that you brought up. The

905
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: question was this was April what his archives showcase? So

906
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: I could tell when we brought up Haskins by the

907
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: way he had you should have. I literally almost thought

908
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna have to jump out of the grow

909
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: over the table to stop him from hanging up on

910
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: Sam after he started saying negative things about Mr Paskins.

911
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: This was a nice way to distractive from that subject.

912
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: You bring this up, so anyway A eighteen the question

913
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: to Sherman's you have said that quarterback come in all

914
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: shapes and sizes, you have to here that are big.

915
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: Do you like that? His answer quote, I fancy guys

916
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: that are tall. You can see some of us are

917
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: challenged in terms of height, myself included. So you were

918
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: waiting to say that. So even in that setting like this,

919
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to find site lines, it's no different for

920
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: a quarterback when he is behind a very tall offensive line,

921
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: all else being equal, as long as all the skill

922
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: sets are equal, or maybe even a little better than equal,

923
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: guys that can see have a chance to be very good.

924
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: End quote. Again, that doesn't mean that they might look at,

925
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, last year, I don't know what they thought

926
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: of Baker Mayfield, of Baker Mayfield had Kyler Murray's personality,

927
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: maybe he would have been rated that high for the giants.

928
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Who knows. I don't know the answer to that um.

929
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: But again, him Baker, with all his quotes, everything in

930
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: New York would just be a powder keg of you

931
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: know whoa you think it's if you think you get

932
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: a lot of media stuff here now Baker here, forget

933
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: it be crazy. It would be probably a headline every week.

934
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, ever seen look at what but he in fairness,

935
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: he's in Cleveland, which is not nearly as big of

936
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: a market, and they're still getting headlines pretty much every day.

937
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, you true anyway, all right, so let's let's

938
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: get to the calls at two five on three. Dylan

939
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: and Watertown will lead us off. What's up Dyaling here

940
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: you Good afternoon, guys. What's up buddy? Um, First, thank

941
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: you for having that segment with Pro Football Focus. That

942
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: was really valuable insight. UM, I appreciate that. That was

943
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: pretty cool to hear all that stuff. Thank you. Yeah,

944
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning in listening. Yeah, I just had just

945
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: real quick, I had a couple of free ages that

946
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: were on the Giants that, UM, I just wanted to

947
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: see what you guys is insight we're on. UM, there

948
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: are a couple of guys that really they haven't been

949
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: much talk of, you know, who's crucial to come back

950
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: and stuff. UM. One of them I wanted to mention

951
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: was Mario Edwards. He's he's twenty five, so he's he's

952
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: a young guy. UM. I remember seeing him coming in

953
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: um just you know when they switched it up. But

954
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: he had two stacks this year and I think, um,

955
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: maybe that'd be a guy that would be good to

956
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: come back. UM, I kind of liked what I saw

957
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: when he came in. I think he only had of

958
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: the snaps this year. UM. Another guy I like to

959
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: was Benny Fowler. I think he kind of stood out

960
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: when he got action in there, and I think he's

961
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: got some pretty good hands. And I also liked when

962
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, his yards after catch when he catched the ball.

963
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: He's kind of like a hard guy to take down.

964
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: He's a hard runner when he's got the ball in

965
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: his hands. I think as a whole, I think the

966
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver group that the Giants had, I think it

967
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: was kind of a better group than they've had in

968
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: a couple of years, just with I guess the depth

969
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: and some of the guys just their experience and um,

970
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: all the things that they had in the leadership, like

971
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: with Russell Shepard in the locker room things like that. UM.

972
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to ask too about Tony Lippett

973
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: the corner. I know he had some action in the

974
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: last game against the Cowboys. I know he came off.

975
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: He's coming off and to killes injury that was also. Yeah,

976
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: that was one of the questions I had to was,

977
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: you know, would would he be valuable enough to come

978
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: back because I know he he was pretty good when

979
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: he's with Miami, and I know coming off that injury

980
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: he kind of looked a little behind when he was playing,

981
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: but I mean that was his first action, I think

982
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: all a year, so um and then the last guy

983
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: had and then I can I can catch you guys

984
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: answer off the air, just because I know there's a

985
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: lot of callers coming in. But um, the full back

986
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: that they had, he was a converted running back, Elijah Penny.

987
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: I think he did pretty well. And I know the

988
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: last couple of years the Giants didn't really use fullbacks

989
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: too much, but I think he was pretty valuable, especially

990
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: when they ran some screens with him. And um, I

991
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: just thought he was a pretty good asset to the offense.

992
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: But I appreciate you guys to thank you much. One

993
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: of the things that I'll add first with Tony Lippitt

994
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: because he threw out a lot of players. Lou Ana Rumo,

995
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: who is the defensive backs coach who was with Tony

996
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: Lippett in Miami. He was also with Michael Thomas in Miami.

997
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: He was asked about Tony Lippett when he last the

998
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: dress the media I don't know what it was, but

999
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: it was rather near the end of the season, and

1000
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: he even indicated Listen Lipp it's still trying to get

1001
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: his legs back under him, and you can see in

1002
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: the Dallas game he was not running exactly. So to me,

1003
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: it was more of, Hey, we're familiar with him, let's

1004
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: bring him in, let's evaluate him a little. But I

1005
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: agree with maybe what Dylan was alluding to that, yes,

1006
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: I think there's potential, there's upside there, but there's only

1007
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: so much you're gonna take away from what he did

1008
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: this season. I think another whole off season under his belt.

1009
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: You know, they include him as part of the ninety

1010
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: man roster. I don't think there's anything wrong with that John,

1011
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: and then they see how he progresses in terms of

1012
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: his rehab. He's long and he's long, he's got length,

1013
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: He's got the tools you want to see out of

1014
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 1: a cornerback. I think the wide receiver room was good.

1015
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: I agree with that Shepherd's good. Number two Beckham is

1016
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Beckham obviously, and I think Cody Latimer showed he can

1017
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: be a deep threat when he was healthy as a

1018
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: third guy, and you don't need a third guy that's

1019
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: gonna catch fifty passes. When you have Evan Ingram and

1020
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: you have sa Kwon Barkley, you just don't have football. No,

1021
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: there are not. You don't need another guy like that

1022
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: if you want to. You know, you got a million

1023
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: Day three picks this year, potentially nine depending on how

1024
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: many compensatory picks you get right now they have seven.

1025
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: You want to draft a guy in on Day three

1026
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: to develop as a young guy? Manah, sure, go ahead,

1027
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: why not? But I think they're in pretty darn good

1028
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: shape right now with the wide receivers they have. Yeah,

1029
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Corey Coleman is another name I wouldn't

1030
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: necessarily overlook John good One. I think he did a

1031
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: nice job in limited time teamer to let's not dismiss that.

1032
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: And I know Dylan or last caller brought him up,

1033
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: but I was really pleased with what Russell Shephard brought

1034
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: to this team. I know his numbers as a receiver

1035
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: didn't jump off the page, but you know what when

1036
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: his number was called John, the guy made plays. When

1037
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham threw him the ball, he knew that the

1038
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 1: defense wasn't gon run with him. He was wide open

1039
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: and that was a big play. He was a great gunner.

1040
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, think about how many times they down the

1041
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: ball inside the five thanks to a play by Russell Shephard.

1042
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: You can't have enough players like that on the team,

1043
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: no matter how much they necessarily contribute on offense. So

1044
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: he's another guy that I think has a lot of value,

1045
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: and I would agree with the point about Elijah Penny.

1046
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: See here's the thing about Elijah Penny. Compared to other

1047
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: fullbacks that the Giants have had on the roster, John

1048
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: Penny was a former running back. So Penny had a

1049
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: skill set of running, he had a skill set of

1050
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: catching the ball. I remember there was Arizona days where

1051
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: Arizona had so many injuries and he was on the

1052
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: Cardinals exactly. I mean, I remember even getting a spot

1053
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: star in Fantasy with Elijah Penny. So that further proves

1054
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: my point. But that's not what you should take home

1055
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: from our analysis here. It's more of the fact that

1056
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: his versatility, Okay, you gotta light it up to boot

1057
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. His versatility as a running back gives

1058
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: him that much more appeal when he's on the field

1059
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: as a fullback because you're seeing yourself He's not just

1060
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a lead blocker. We can ask him to

1061
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: do other things. And I think that was Denis needs

1062
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: his fullback to catch. He made that very clear, needs

1063
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: his fullback to catch. He's not gonna be interested in

1064
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: having some big dude here that can't catch the football.

1065
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: Everyone has to be able to catch. It's very simple.

1066
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: It's going to Eddie in South Florida. He's up next.

1067
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: What's up Betty? Hey, guys, first time caller, love you show,

1068
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: Thank you enough. By the way, I'm via Fort Lee,

1069
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: New Jersey, diehard, giant stand and thanks for getting me

1070
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: through to August. No worries, happy, Happy to be there

1071
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: for you. Eddie. What's on your mind today? I've been

1072
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: waiting for a couple of months to have the opportunity

1073
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: to call and discuss something, and I'm amazed that I've

1074
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: never heard. I don't get to listen to every show.

1075
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: But what is the value of a fourth round draft pick?

1076
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: How do you want how do you want me to

1077
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: define value for you? Well, it's an important play in

1078
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: the scheme of things, and many times you come there

1079
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: are pull all his fourth rounder. I think Brady was

1080
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: a fifth rounder, right, Yeah, Look, I mean, I think

1081
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: using Tom Brady as an example can get very dangerous

1082
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: to me. A fourth round pick is a guy that

1083
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: you're not expecting to come in right away to play

1084
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: right away. It's somebody that maybe by mid season, end

1085
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: of the year and year two you could hope to

1086
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: be a average starter in the league. It's very rare

1087
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: that you find great players in the fourth round. But yes,

1088
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: you can find good players in that round if you

1089
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: draft well right and sometimes you get lucky and sometimes

1090
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: you don't. Sure. My question is, why the heck didn't

1091
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: we play lilt at the last two games? What did

1092
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: we have to learn from watching Eli? Who I love,

1093
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: by the way, love Eli brought us two rings. He's

1094
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: been around my fourteen year old son, hasn't. I have

1095
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: a picture of him and Eli manning jersey as an

1096
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: infant um. So, I mean, the guy means a whole

1097
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: lot to me. But I'm not learning anything about Eli

1098
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: that I didn't already know. These last two games. Well,

1099
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: I can, yeah, Eddie, I can give you the answer.

1100
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna like the answer, but I'll

1101
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: give it to you. Um. The last two games for

1102
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman and Pat Charmer was not about learning. It

1103
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: was about winning. And I know giant fans when they're

1104
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: sitting there at five and nine with two games to go,

1105
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: they don't care about winning. And I understand that you're

1106
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: worried about, you know, the future draft picks and all

1107
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: that stuff. I totally get from a fan perspective why

1108
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: you would think that way. But in this building, they

1109
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: were still trying to establish a winning culture. They're trying,

1110
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: um to show the guys in the locker room that

1111
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: the best players are going to play, and they were

1112
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: trying to win football games. And they thought and they knew,

1113
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: and it was true that Eli gave him the best

1114
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: chance to win. And on top of that, I think

1115
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: they also knew that Kyle Loletto was not ready um

1116
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: And and again they're not judging that off of the

1117
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, one quarter he played a few weeks prior

1118
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: when he was a train wreck. They're going by what

1119
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: he they see in practice every day. Remember, he was

1120
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: a hid out of an FCS school in Richmond, that's

1121
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: in a small conference. To expect him to be anywhere

1122
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: near ready to play in his first NFL year was

1123
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: never realistic. So frankly, I don't think that they believed

1124
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: they would even learn anything about Kyle Loletta. I don't

1125
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: think anything Loletta would have done in those last two

1126
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: games would have effected they're thinking about the quarterback position

1127
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: at all moving forward. That's how early in his development

1128
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: Kyle Loletta is, and that's why I don't That's why

1129
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: I think they played Eliineman. Yeah, And to add to that,

1130
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think you gotta take

1131
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: into consideration also is Pat Shermer and Dave Gentleman are

1132
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: both in year one of their new respective jobs. And

1133
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: I know it's easy to say, well, if you're in

1134
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: year one, then isn't it easier to then focus on

1135
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: development that put in the young guys. But you know

1136
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: Schermer understands and not saying that his job security is

1137
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: at risk here, but you know, the turnover rate for

1138
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: coaches is unreal in this league. I mean, eight teams

1139
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: replaced their coaches Steve will one season in Arizona. So

1140
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I get your point, Eddie, and I'm not

1141
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: faulting you for having that perspective, but I think if

1142
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: you look through the lens of a first year head coach,

1143
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: it's understandable that he's gonna prioritize winning in year one.

1144
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: By the way, who lost his first job after two

1145
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: years in Cleveland, he understands that you're not guaranteed year two,

1146
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: you're not guaranteed year three. You don't know how long

1147
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna be there. So so that, I think is

1148
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: one thing you have to take it to the consideration

1149
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: that piggybacking off. At John's point, even if Kyle Aletta

1150
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: played the final two games and let's say he wowed you,

1151
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants are gonna run with the

1152
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: philosophy of well, I guess we found our long term

1153
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: successor Freeli Manning. Since when does two games prove to

1154
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: you that you don't have to look at the draft,

1155
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: you don't have to look at free agency, you don't

1156
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: have to look at trade options. It wasn't going to

1157
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: be that simple of a decision. There's a lot more

1158
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: to the evaluation process, and there's a lot more to

1159
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: the evaluation evaluation process for quarterbacks that are not even

1160
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: in this building round. And more importantly, if you would

1161
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: have played really poorly, that they would have just thrown

1162
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: him away and said, oh, you know what, we don't

1163
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be any good because that's what happened

1164
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: with the Reds. Exactly what do you think he's Um,

1165
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: they regret that that decision, and um, what is he

1166
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: going to make the team next years? We have nobody

1167
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 1: of work to look at. Thank you. I appreciate the no, no,

1168
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: not hear you look. I think that's and and and

1169
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: and we appreciate the call. I think that's an evaluation

1170
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: they're going to have to make. Um. You know they'll

1171
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: have to figure that out. I think you have every

1172
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: opportunity to compete for a roster spot. Do I think

1173
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: anything is guaranteed based on what we how we've seen

1174
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman operate in the past. He doesn't care. It's

1175
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: one thing about Dave Gentleman. You know the old I'm

1176
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: not gonna quote it be is it's I can't but

1177
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: the old Honey Badger video that you can find on

1178
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: on YouTube. They've doesn't care. All right, he does what

1179
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: he does. He's not gonna say this guy is sticking

1180
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: around because he's the fourth round pick. You have to

1181
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: earn your spot on this team, and that's what we'll

1182
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: let us go to do this year. Nothing's guaranteed, not

1183
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: not one. Dave Gelman's the g and we saw it.

1184
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: He cleaned this place out so fast you didn't know

1185
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: what happened. And no one should be guaranteed the rosters. No,

1186
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that the Giants are in a position

1187
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: to do that based on what they're currently in in

1188
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: terms of the season finished and what they want to

1189
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: do moving forward. I'm gonna bring up a player. And

1190
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: and by the way, the best teams do that. Look

1191
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: what the Patriots do. Yeah, they never content with what

1192
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: they have. They're always looking to improve. So just because

1193
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: you drafted a fourth rounder and then you're you're worried

1194
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: about the court of public opinion saying, well, that was

1195
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: a waste of a fourth round pick. If the guy

1196
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: only lasted one year on the roster, better to then

1197
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: cut ties with the player, just like what happened with

1198
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: Patrick o'mama, than keep them around just to appease to

1199
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: the fans. And by the way, I would bet that

1200
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: he would be here next year. By the way, I'm

1201
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: not trying doubting that either, correct, I'm just saying, but

1202
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: it's not like, all right, here's your roster spot and

1203
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, how will you do or what you

1204
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: do in the spring here it is, that's not how

1205
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: this is gonna work. But here's another guy I want

1206
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: to bring up because when Eddie brought up the phrase, yeah,

1207
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: you could chuckle all you want, but no remind because

1208
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: Eddie said, well, you know, you don't have much to

1209
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: judge kyle a Letta by, So how are you gonna

1210
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: know whether he's worth sticking around on the roster if

1211
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: you get rid of him? Is it unfair? Okay, well,

1212
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: let's go back to Ryan Nasson bringing up Ryan Nassip stats.

1213
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: John Ryan Nassi, over the course of his Giants tenure,

1214
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: also a mid round pick, attempted ten passes in actual

1215
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: regular season games, completely nine of them, by the way.

1216
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: But that's nothing now, Ryan Nasty fifty two career quarterback rating. Boy,

1217
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: you are poking the bear, aren't you? This program? You know,

1218
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: I think that's enough time right now anyway, So most

1219
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: efficient quarterback of NFL. The point is, do you know

1220
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: how many conversations I had that I want back on

1221
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: this very program. We're not going to go back there anyway.

1222
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: The fans who have been listening and watching long enough,

1223
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: no exactly what I'm talking about. We don't have to

1224
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: revisit those conversations. But anyway, in summary here, okay, the

1225
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: point is Ryan Nasst was not resigned, the rookie contract

1226
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: was not renewed. And you can argue, well, I mean,

1227
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: did you really get ample amount of time to look

1228
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: at him? And the point is they watch him in

1229
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: practice every day, John, Correct, they were looking at him

1230
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: in the film room, they were looking at how he

1231
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: adjust on the fly when they were testing it, and

1232
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: a preseason games. Correct, and that was part of evaluating.

1233
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: So the reason I'm bringing up Ryan Naston is just

1234
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: because Kyle Aletta doesn't have an overwhelming amount of regular

1235
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: season reps doesn't mean there's no way to evaluate and judge.

1236
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: I know you go to sleep every night and to say,

1237
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: what if you didn't have that double injury? Yes, I

1238
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: absolutely do. I'm also waiting for him to get a

1239
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: starting job too. Anyway, carry on, you're the best I

1240
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: can see. Let's go to letting Love the Avoulent next

1241
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: high Land. How you doing, guys, We're having a great time. Well,

1242
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't gonna call today, but I heard

1243
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: the fellow from Pro Football Focus and and I actually

1244
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: I like Pro Football focus as a fan because I mean,

1245
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a talent evaluator. I like numbers, and you

1246
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: know those guys give your numbers really absolutely, But I

1247
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: do have some overall philosophies that kind of fit into

1248
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: some of the things he was talking about. And I

1249
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: think you guys would agree with this. It's a big

1250
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: man's game. I don't care what position you play. It's

1251
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: a big man's game. Good big people beat good little

1252
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: people in football. I mean, it's always been that one. Well,

1253
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, and I think one I think

1254
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: Sam made that point when when he said what's the

1255
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: most important part of a successful running game? What did

1256
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: he say? He didn't say it was the running back.

1257
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: He said it was the offensive line. And he said

1258
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: the biggest issue the Giants had on defense was what

1259
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: the pass rush? So I think you guys are in

1260
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: line that way, Yeah, Tyler Murray, I mean John he

1261
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: when he gets to the combine, he he may measure

1262
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: less than five. Well, you know, it's funny. It's funny

1263
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: you say that. Dan Salomone, who obviously is the you know,

1264
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: wearing a Dwyn's Haskins jersey right now, Um put up

1265
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: a picture from the Heisman Trophy ceremony, and that's Haskins

1266
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: right standing next to Murray there. If I'm not mistaken, Dan,

1267
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: And you know, Haskins is listed to six three and

1268
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: Murray's standing next to him. He ate four and you

1269
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: shorter than him, I'll tell you that much. It's a

1270
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: lot more than four inches. Lances the hight expert, how

1271
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: much shorter do you think Murray isnt Haskins in that picture? Yeah,

1272
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: that's six inches. I mean that's almost an entire head difference. Yeah,

1273
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, one, I mean you really can't.

1274
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: You really can't go in that direction. If somebody wants

1275
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: Tyler Murray badly enough, and he's still there at six,

1276
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: call us, you know well and by the way, and

1277
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: by the way, still there, and I would deal him,

1278
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: and I would deal. Then I would deal the pick. Well,

1279
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go too far. You know, you're talking seven, eight,

1280
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: nine somewhere and there ten maybe at the you know,

1281
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: at the most, and pick up other picks. But this team,

1282
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean, with that offensive line, Yeah, yeah, Tyler Murray's

1283
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: not the guy for quarterback. Yeah, maybe Haskins is, but

1284
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's time. Well

1285
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: and then by the way, by the way, what I

1286
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: would say, and I know you guys know it's almost

1287
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: one o'clock and you guys want to go just just so,

1288
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: just just one thing, stay focused. We got to fix

1289
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: this offensive line. We heard what he said from center

1290
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: to right tackle. It was below average. You look at

1291
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: these teams who are going to be playing this weekend,

1292
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: and even the teams that lost last weekend, powerful offensive lines,

1293
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: and they all had big time centers anchor anchor. And

1294
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: you look at these four teams this weekend, you know

1295
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the same way. And I know Gettleman,

1296
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: I know Gettleman likes Hallapeo, but geez, he had he

1297
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: was a terrible injury. I mean, you know this guy.

1298
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: You can't project forward, you don't know, But I mean

1299
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: I could see this guy popped all the way to November.

1300
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, land He was walking around without

1301
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: a boot in December of the season. Alright, Now, that's

1302
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: that's something I didn't know. And I'm glad to hear

1303
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: that because I liked the guy in so I think

1304
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: we could even get a little better than than him.

1305
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: Him at the center position. But stay focused on that

1306
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: offensive line we started last year. Let's fix it, you know,

1307
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: let's fix it this year. You know, we saw it

1308
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: in New England. Did I know you guys, you know,

1309
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: I know the folks up in New England will say,

1310
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, we really wanted Nate back. We really wanted

1311
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: Nate back. You look at that dude plan left tackle

1312
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: for them six five, three thirty from Florida. I mean,

1313
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: and they trade his forum, they trade his forum to

1314
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: get him, get him from the forty niners? Is it?

1315
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 1: Harold Brown? I know, the Lank Brown, Trent Trent Brown,

1316
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: Trent Brown. I mean, they knew what they wanted to do.

1317
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not knocking soldier. I'm just saying, you know,

1318
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: that's that's the way you gotta go. We got to

1319
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: improve that offensive line and um quarterbacks do it. Let's

1320
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: do it. Hey, thanks for taking my sorry to end up,

1321
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: sorry to end up on a little bit of negatives

1322
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: we could handle. Thanks appreciate him. By the way, I

1323
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: will have an interview with John haw Apeo on giants

1324
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: dot Com at some point in the next month. Then

1325
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: divide when that's getting posted. The idea I don't he's

1326
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: gonna look at Nobody knows how tease on this program

1327
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: better than we do. But it's coming. I just can't

1328
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: tell you. Well, that's why you need to check giants

1329
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: dot com every day to make sure it's that existence

1330
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: on the app and wait for its exactly. Yes, um,

1331
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: but he basically told me that he should be fine

1332
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: when players are porn April. So yeah, that's not gonna

1333
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: be a problem. Listen. I'm not trying to downgrade the

1334
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: significance of the injury, but it's not as if he

1335
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: tore his A C L or something like that. I mean,

1336
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about a broken leg. It's not something through

1337
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: this smiss. But broken bones are actually easier to heal

1338
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: than ligaments and tendons. And I get lens concerned, but

1339
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about an injury that was suffered in Week

1340
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: two against the Cowboys. Got Hurt'll be We're multiple months

1341
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: removed from that injury. And they do like him, by

1342
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: the way. I mean every time to both of them,

1343
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: do I'm with you, they do, so I I would

1344
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: not just overlook him from the conversation of next year's

1345
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: offensive line. And Sam also said, by the way that

1346
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: he does not think an NFL team would pick Kyler

1347
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: Murray that high. He did state that quite clearly, but

1348
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: that's how they have him great. Just like most people

1349
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: didn't think Baker Mayfield was gonna go number one overall.

1350
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: Two Yeah, surprise as well, but I think everyone thought

1351
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield go top ten. I'm not sure people think

1352
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is gonna go top ten. And I think

1353
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: that's fair. And again, I'm not sure I even looked

1354
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: at the tape, so I can't tell you that that

1355
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: that seems to be what the prevailing thought is at

1356
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,919
Speaker 1: the moment. I will say this, if Kyler Murray, though,

1357
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: does fall to the late first round, early second round,

1358
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: there's a potential somebody could really get a good, great steel.

1359
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: Oh and someone might trade up to get that steel

1360
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: to so you know it's amount, and that's an example

1361
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: of matching value to where you pick. I mean, I'm

1362
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: still on the board. Look at where the Ravens Golamar

1363
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: Jackson last year, right at the end of the first round,

1364
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: and I think Murray is a much Again, I've ben

1365
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: watched him, but my impression is that Murray is a

1366
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: more advanced passer. I think that Jackson was Jake yeah,

1367
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: I would agree with you there. Yeah, I mean, Murray's

1368
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: got a hell of an arm. And also, you know,

1369
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: people are gonna point to, by the way, John that

1370
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: Alabama game where he had a rough first half and

1371
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: he did how about what he did in the second half,

1372
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: anybody want to talk about that? I think Alabama might

1373
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: have taken the foot off the gas a little bit.

1374
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: But no, no, you're right, book, I'm not I'm not

1375
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: taking I'm not taking anything away from the kid. The

1376
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: kid had a hell of the season. And you know,

1377
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: we have to decide to does he want to play baseball?

1378
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: So that's gonna you know, just because he declared for

1379
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: the draft doesn't mean he's gonna play football first. That

1380
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: just means the team can pick him. So if he

1381
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: ever wants to play football, that's the team that's going

1382
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: to have his right you still might go try to

1383
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: play baseball first, that's fair. By the way, Before you

1384
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: real quickly go back to the calls, and Dan continues

1385
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: to find these quotes that I don't know how He's

1386
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: doing this every day, which is great because now we're

1387
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: providing proper context. I think you need to give Dave

1388
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: Dominic and Matt Cohen like a little training session. Dan.

1389
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: In terms of of how you add to the program,

1390
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they could be welcome back

1391
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: on the program after a performance like this training session.

1392
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: If Salomon has more time on his hands, he's more

1393
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: than welcome to produce on a daily basis. Anyway. So

1394
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: Gettleman was asked this question, you have Solder, her Nandez.

1395
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the other three guys could be

1396
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: your starting line next year? Is it a big emphasis

1397
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: this offseason? Here's his answer. Here's what I would say.

1398
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: First of all, don't forget Po. Don't forget John. He

1399
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: went down unfortunately in the second game. He was playing

1400
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: the best of anybody. So don't forget about Po. I'm

1401
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: always going to keep working on those lines, on those groups.

1402
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Stephen Cornwall will be our

1403
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: final call other day. Hey Steve, what's up, buddy? How

1404
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: you doing today? Thanks? How's everything with you? What he got? So?

1405
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call. Um, So everyone's talking about,

1406
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, defense, anything on defense, offensive line, quarterback. I

1407
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: just thought it was fun to kind of change it

1408
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: up a little bit. And why to get your guys

1409
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: as opinion on the wide receiver position. I feel like

1410
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: we haven't had like a strong possession receiver and so long,

1411
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: like like a Keen Knicks type of a guy. And

1412
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: I think if we could add a piece like that,

1413
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: it would go so well with the offense that like

1414
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: we got you know, O'Dell, who's more of a deep dread.

1415
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: He could take it from anywhere. He got se quon now.

1416
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: Even even Evan Ingram is good, um ship, he's like

1417
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: fifty fifty in my mind, if we could add like

1418
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: a dominant possession receiver, I think it would just change

1419
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: the dynamic of our offense. Even see why isn't Evan

1420
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: Ingram that guy? Because she's just from the position he's playing.

1421
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: I guess way Sherman changed his position this year. At

1422
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year, I could say that

1423
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: he is that guy kind of in a way, but

1424
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't asked to be that in the beginning of

1425
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: the year. It was more like a blocker. And you know,

1426
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: I just wanted somebody to be more consistently in that

1427
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: role versus And it's if Shermer keeps him that way, great,

1428
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: but I just don't know if it's gonna be something

1429
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: that he is going to do next year. But that

1430
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: was my thought process, was like just to have a

1431
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: possession guy. See if I think and this is say

1432
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: real quick, this isn't that that Fiegles and I talked

1433
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: about a lot on on Friday Show the last couple

1434
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: of weeks. And it's just a matter of how they

1435
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: spread the ball around. Once you have Beckham on the

1436
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: field at the same time, as see Kwon Barka, there's

1437
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: only so many passes and targets to go around. And

1438
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: Beckham was getting a whopping load despite fans complaining for

1439
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: the reasons that Nevi still don't understand to me, he

1440
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: was getting a ton of targets earlier in the year.

1441
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: Twelve tend to twelve targets a game, all right, As

1442
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: long as he's getting tend to twelve targets a game,

1443
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: Barkley's running at twenty times, He's getting eight targets a game.

1444
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: Shepherd's getting seven targets a game. You're run out of passes,

1445
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: all right, you literally run at it passes. So unless

1446
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: they start spreading the ball around more and Beckham gets

1447
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: down to seven or eight or nine targets a game,

1448
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to add any other significant wide

1449
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: receiver to this group and use them to any effect.

1450
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: There's just not enough passes in a game if you

1451
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: want to run the football. I mean, there were some

1452
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: games and I think Sterling fits the bill that you're

1453
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: talking about, Steve, so I wouldn't necessarily overlook him, but

1454
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,919
Speaker 1: good third down target. There are games though, where Sterling,

1455
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: it felt, wasn't really that heavily involved and didn't have

1456
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: an overwhelming amount of targets. So I mean to bring

1457
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: in somebody else, and at times there are games where

1458
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to even involve all three or four main weapons.

1459
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how much that's gonna help.

1460
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny because when you brought up a

1461
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: key nick, Steve, I thought you were actually gonna go

1462
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: more towards you want that taller receiver, that goal line,

1463
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: red zone threat. I thought that's where you were going

1464
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: based on your description. But if you're looking for a

1465
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: possession receiver, they have possession receivers on the roster right now.

1466
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have to go out of

1467
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: their way to add that. Maybe I maybe I misspoke,

1468
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I know it's kind of what I was saying.

1469
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: If I wanted somebody to could be more of a

1470
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: threat that that. So, So I think what you're looking

1471
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: for is, you know, you're looking for a plex for

1472
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: a key Knicks, that tall guy a Brandon Marshall. Yeah,

1473
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: I think that can be Ingram, Yeah, I agree with you.

1474
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: I think it can be. I don't think there's any

1475
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: reason why they can't utilize him in that situation. He's

1476
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: a big target. There's no reason why you can't move

1477
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: him into that. Steve, we gotta run. We're over time,

1478
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: right pal. Okay, real quick though, before you guys go, Yeah,

1479
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: I had a quick question, Um, we have eleven picks.

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Speaker 1: How many of those do you think we're going to

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Speaker 1: get players? Do you think we get eleven players? Should

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Speaker 1: we just a fun little eypothetical we can I wanted

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Speaker 1: to throw out they have eleven. Well again, right now,

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Speaker 1: if they get the two compensatory picks that they're predicted

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Speaker 1: to get, they'll have eleven, which is not in the

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Speaker 1: books yet, So that that's number one. I would say

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Speaker 1: they would select nine players. I'm with you, eight to

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Speaker 1: nine players. I think it's going to be the cat

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Speaker 1: first of all, even if they took eleven, Steve realistically,

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Speaker 1: those eleven guys are not making the roster. Not let's

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Speaker 1: be honest. Here, doesn't mean you're not gonna get quality,

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Speaker 1: but eleven guys are not going to make the fifty

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Speaker 1: three rosters. So I think they're gonna certainly look to

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Speaker 1: move up and combine assets to get better picks overall

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Speaker 1: in the draft or to get something for the following year.

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Speaker 1: That's how I see that playing out. But I be

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Speaker 1: stunned if they take eleven players in the draft. Start, well,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, thank you guys, I appreciate it, thank you

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Speaker 1: appreciate And again, they might also try to packach a

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Speaker 1: couple of picks for a pick in well, that's what

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Speaker 1: next year before and they might have they might move

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Speaker 1: down from a spot and pick up extra picks next

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Speaker 1: year or whatever. They could do a bunch of different things.

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Speaker 1: So absolutely a lot of flexibility, all right. That's different.

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Speaker 1: Big Blue kick Off today tomorrow of our Carl Banks

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01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: specially some special guests. If you go to his Twitter

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01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: caunt and you can find out all about it. It'll

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: be on Big Blue Kickoff Live. The team will be

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Speaker 1: with them as well, with Banks and some special guests.

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Speaker 1: They'll be with you at noon tomorrow. I'll be back

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Speaker 1: next week. Lance is on what are you with Feagles

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Speaker 1: on Friday? And Lance with Fiegals on Friday. The next week,

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Speaker 1: No seaw on Monday from Martin Luther King Junior Day.

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Speaker 1: Then it will be Paul and Lands for three straight

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Speaker 1: days Tuesday through Thursday. I'll be at the Senior Bowl

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: calling in trying to give Paul some offensive linemen to

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Speaker 1: drool over Lands. Bring your poncho and pass rushers as well.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you asked me about the quarterbacks, but you

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01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: know Paul will never actually ask them about the quarterball

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Speaker 1: on me. I like poking the bear as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that's why you need to ask me about the quarterbacks,

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01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: because you know Paul is not to do it. But

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Speaker 1: I will have updates from Mobile the Senior Bowl. Dan

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Speaker 1: Salmon's going down too, so we'll have updates him down there.

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Speaker 1: Keep an eye on the two thousand nineteen draft class

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Speaker 1: as the NFL Draft transcript postings next week, by the

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Speaker 1: way begins. Anyway, what a Debbie downer you had to be. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: on the bright side, we don't have to see you

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Speaker 1: for a week, so that's that's that's good news. For

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Speaker 1: me and you don't. Unfortunately they do. We will. You

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Speaker 1: will see you in Mobile and tomorrow again will be

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Speaker 1: the Tino Banks with their special guests on Big Book

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Speaker 1: Goll Live on giants dot com. We'll see you then. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: have a great night. I have a good one.