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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, Tony Peterson and I are breaking down our

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four rut hunting plans and sharing thirty nine

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Speaker 2: specific actionable tactics for the white tail Rut. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: real quick here before we get to the show. It

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Speaker 2: is that most wonderful time of the year, the whitetail

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Speaker 2: Rut is about to kick off, and as you might

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Speaker 2: know from past years, we like to celebrate the month

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Speaker 2: of November with a few special deer hunting tunes. Two

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Speaker 2: years ago we came out with our first white tail

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Speaker 2: rout parody song of sorts, I guess you could call it.

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Speaker 2: We called that the most Wonderful Time to Kill deer

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Speaker 2: riff on a Christmas tune of course, and then last

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Speaker 2: year we had a second one that one's called Big

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Speaker 2: White Tails, going along with the tune of jingle bells.

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Speaker 2: So we are going to bring those back for you

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Speaker 2: to listen to this month. On each episode of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Here so real quick, we're gonna play you our two

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Speaker 2: rout hunting theme songs of the year. Enjoy them, and

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Speaker 2: then we will get to our big old rut Hunting

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Speaker 2: Extravaganza podcast shortly.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy boys.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, Hayden. It's been a while. Hey, sorry,

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Speaker 4: I'm late. I crashed my Pontiac casteck into a light

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Speaker 4: pull and had to walk the rest of the way.

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Speaker 3: But I'm here now. That's what matters.

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Speaker 4: Give me a glass of scotch please, Hey, just two

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Speaker 4: rocks in there. I don't my guys, we're starting already.

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Speaker 4: This is happening. Okay, just give me the give me

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Speaker 4: the glass, thank you. Okay, here we go. It's the

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Speaker 4: most wonderful time to kill deer. With the run now

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Speaker 4: just starting and dashing and dotting and veins cutting clean.

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Speaker 4: It's the most wonderful time.

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Speaker 3: To kill deer.

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Speaker 4: There's far too much, is inus class. It's the half

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Speaker 4: happy seedson of all. There's gotta be at least twelve

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Speaker 4: cues with grunting and bleeding and call fronts and sleeting.

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Speaker 3: The last weeks of fun. It's the half happy.

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Speaker 4: Seedsson of all, There'll be pictures for posting and bragging

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Speaker 4: and boasting and truck beds with big Bucks in toe.

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Speaker 4: There'll be narrow miss stories and tales of new glories.

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Speaker 3: Of booner bucks missed with our bulls.

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Speaker 4: It's the most wonderful time to kill deer, not just

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Speaker 4: one baby two. There'll be no dose of blowing and

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Speaker 4: most wonderful time to kill deer.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me? Can I have a napkin? Please? I just

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Speaker 3: spilled some scotch on my loafers. I can't have dirty

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Speaker 3: loafers in the studio.

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Speaker 4: Thank you tailgate beers for drinking, and Big Bucks is

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Speaker 4: slinking and chasing and sent jacking does They'll be fighting

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Speaker 4: and scraping and no more escaping and arrow shot true hitting.

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Speaker 3: Oh key change. But no one told me that it's

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Speaker 3: the most wonderful time to kill deer. I was very

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Speaker 4: There will be much morning sitting in cold fronts, are

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Speaker 4: hitting the dawn crispin clean. It's the most wonderful time, Oh,

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Speaker 4: the most dimple time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the mold swum dipple.

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Speaker 2: Time to kilty.

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Speaker 3: There's too much ice in the glass. Two rocks.

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Speaker 4: It's that time of the year again. I'm back, Marcus Kenyon.

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Speaker 4: How are you your son of a gadwall? You look terrible.

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Speaker 4: I'm just kidding her. Am I I'm sorry. I'm late.

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Speaker 4: I crashed my recumbent bicycle into the side of a

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Speaker 4: as sober as a newborn blue crab. I swear to

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Speaker 4: you this is just kombucha. I'm watching the gut health.

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Speaker 4: You gotta do it as you get older. And also,

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Speaker 4: I'm wearing this ankle bracelet that makes a beep beep

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Speaker 4: sound if I have a drop of the stuff. Also

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Speaker 4: alerts the authorities, who in turn alert my parole officer.

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Speaker 4: So there'll be none of that in the studio today,

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Speaker 4: I promise you.

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Speaker 3: Let's get go. Oh you're queueing it up all ready. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I thought we'd learned a lesson this year, but I

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Speaker 5: I love those beagy big big white tails, those deep

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Speaker 5: run beagy big big wide tails. I love those beachy

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Speaker 4: Big white tails, big white tails are great? Hold what

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Speaker 4: fun it is to sit in the freezing cold tree

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Speaker 4: all day? Big white tails, big white tails, big white

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Speaker 3: Dashing through the woods for the morning.

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Speaker 4: Light turns great across the fields and draws, creep in

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Speaker 3: Climb into the tree. Big bucks are on the wave?

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Speaker 4: What fun he is to sit and wait for my gosh,

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Speaker 4: don deer all day?

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Speaker 3: Oh big, I'm sorry? What is this? Piscato strings? Who

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Speaker 3: do you think? I am ya? Get this out here.

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Speaker 4: White tails, big white tails, big white tails are great.

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Speaker 4: Hold fun it is to sit in the freezing cold

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Speaker 3: I hope sand dreams are high the rut.

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Speaker 4: He's finally here, Mark said, it's the most wonderful time

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Speaker 4: to kill o whitetail deer bingch points and pettings. Where

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Speaker 4: tubes my bowl inspector, Cambo. This really campy be he

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Speaker 4: or two ago I thought that this was fun, but

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Speaker 4: now I'm frozen to my seat, and the good times

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Speaker 3: That son of a but decided to come out.

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Speaker 5: Those Beagy big white takes. Those you run bag big

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Speaker 4: I love those Beeg big up yall eight shot gie

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Speaker 4: what seems to be the problem here?

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Speaker 4: I don't know why this is happening. It must be

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Speaker 4: a malfunction, you know. Sometimes it happens when the batteries

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Speaker 3: You don't need to smell that. That's just komboocha. I okay, yes,

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Speaker 4: I am so so sorry. I don't know why my

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Speaker 4: life has brought me here. Mark Marcus, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 2: by First Light and their new Whitetail line and their

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Speaker 2: Camel for Conservation initiative. All great stuff that we are

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Speaker 2: excited about. But we are also very excited because Today

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Speaker 2: is our twenty twenty four Whitetail Rut Extravaganza Galore Big

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Speaker 2: buck Fest podcast with me and Tony Peterson, And as

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Speaker 2: I just teased in the intro, we've got thirty nine

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Speaker 2: very specific, actionable, mind blowing, revolutionary whitetail rut hunting stratu Geez,

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Speaker 2: there we're going to share with you today. So I

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Speaker 2: hope you're ready for that. Tony are you? Are you

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Speaker 2: ready for that?

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Speaker 1: I am?

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Speaker 6: And I misunderstood the assignment because I have thirty nine

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Speaker 6: on my own, like one un guarantee dead mature buck

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Speaker 6: during the rut thirty perfect.

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Speaker 2: Well, then we came to the right place and the

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Speaker 2: right person, because you know, in all seriousness, everyone at

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Speaker 2: this time of year wants at least one more good idea, right.

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Speaker 2: I think people will be listening to this podcast as

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Speaker 2: or to their back forty or whatever it is for

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Speaker 2: the thing like this is that time of the year

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Speaker 2: we've all been dreaming of, we've all been waiting for

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Speaker 2: when this podcast airs. Let me confirm the date when

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Speaker 2: this podcast airs. It will be Halloween, October thirty first.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the kickoff, right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's a good coming through then through much

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Speaker 2: It could be really good. So yeah, man, I want

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Speaker 2: to I jokingly said thirty nine, but I do have

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Speaker 2: an idea for something I want to do at the end.

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Speaker 2: want to share some real actionable ideas. But before that,

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Speaker 2: I did think it would be useful to kind of

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Speaker 2: So I do know you just got back from a

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Speaker 6: Dude, that was maybe the most enjoyable hunt I've ever filmed.

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Speaker 6: It's probably the best big buck encounter I've ever filmed. Wow,

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Speaker 6: He's going to give me a shot. And he just

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Speaker 6: so but I'll tell you what, I don't know what's

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Speaker 6: I've never been more okay screwing up on a giant

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Speaker 6: And I'll tell you what. So I got out there

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Speaker 6: on I think October thirteenth, I saw a really good

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Speaker 6: He just didn't have much for times I saw him chase.

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Speaker 2: So in that week.

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Speaker 6: I already was seeing like big deer kind of just

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Speaker 2: It can just be freaking bonkers. Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, in fact, when I glassed him and filmed

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Speaker 2: Little you know, like this is a little zone. And

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Speaker 6: So he traveled up river. He knew about those little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you come off that and now tonight or

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Speaker 2: tomorrow you're leaving for Iowa public Land high deer density. Now, yep,

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Speaker 2: what's the what's the game plan? We talked about this

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Speaker 6: So I just as a little context, I drew this

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Speaker 2: Killed a good buck kill. The dough had had a

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Speaker 6: And I've been back down there because I tried a

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Speaker 6: And I have this dilemma where I know this one

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Speaker 6: And I have so many way points. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: And I can't find it. So I woke up this morning,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna find that freaking pond. And I didn't.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know what happened, like but I but

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Speaker 2: Uh So, if you had, if I put a gun

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Speaker 6: I think I'm gonna think I'm gonna chase those waypoints

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Speaker 6: You might as well just blow my brains out on

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Speaker 2: You know. And so if I were you, if I

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Speaker 6: I don't know, Yeah, I know, I know when I

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Speaker 2: But if you if you do it right, you have

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Speaker 2: like how you're gonna set up on this too, accounting

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Speaker 6: Right, So you know how much dear love, especially in

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Speaker 6: They love like sumac islands, like that brushy, soft edgy stuff.

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00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 6: This has that, and what it where it has it

436
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 6: is on top of a ridge. It's not that easy

437
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 6: to get to, and it feeds to a private uh

438
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 6: it's usually alfalfa. You can see it just barely, but

439
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 6: a private egg field that I'm sure probably gets hunted

440
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 6: but doesn't get hunted like public land does. And so

441
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 6: those deer they can bet on that ridgetop, they can

442
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 6: they can leave their sign on that that meadow. There's visibility.

443
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 6: They stage there morning and evening, and they can get

444
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 6: to a private field that's totally walled in. On top

445
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 6: of that, you can look at it on on X

446
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 6: and see that like there's nobody's gonna see it from

447
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 6: the road, nobody's gonna mess with it. So I think

448
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 6: they're just very comfortable and it's just far enough where

449
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 6: it's like there's so much good stuff you kind of

450
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 6: got to go by to get there, and like it's

451
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 6: just not a it's just the right setup, man. And

452
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 6: I haven't I haven't explored the whole area because every

453
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 6: time I've been there, I've been hunting. But I have

454
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 6: I've killed some turkeys in there and looked around, and

455
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 6: it has it has probably the best betting cover aside

456
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 6: from that meadow. There's some like pine tree kind of

457
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 6: scrubby hillsides in there, and so it has like if

458
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 6: you were going to put a big buck in that

459
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 6: area and he was going to find a place on

460
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 6: public that was real safe, like just you know, like

461
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 6: escape routes betting cover wise, he can he can move

462
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 6: in daylight and not expose himself. He's probably not gonna

463
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 6: get like overrun with people. I mean, I found cameras

464
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 6: in there, and stands like it's not a total secret,

465
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 6: but it's just the right stuff. And you know how

466
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 6: it is down there, even though there's quite a bit

467
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 6: of woods where I'm hunting, like relative to a lot

468
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 6: of Iowa, it's also that unbelievably beautiful deciduous forest that's

469
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 6: pretty open. And so when you get to like a

470
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 6: river bottom and you have that change and some of

471
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 6: the you know a little more high stem count stuff,

472
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 6: and you're like, okay, this is this is a different thing.

473
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 6: Even though it's a small patch of cover, that's a magnet,

474
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 6: you know. And I think a lot of people walk

475
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 6: in and there's so many good trees to set up

476
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 6: in and it looks like beautiful woods that a lot

477
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 6: of them sort of just like one layer in. I'm

478
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 6: good because look at there's rubs here, there's scrapes. But

479
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 6: when you want that all day sit and you want

480
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 6: those the bigger deer there, you know how it is

481
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 6: like you better get you better get somewhere with that

482
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 6: security cover and it's not there's not a ton.

483
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: Of it on this in this area. So you've got

484
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: this CRP issue thick meadowee zone that is then surrounded

485
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: by that matured deciduous forest and then it feeds out

486
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: down the ridge to this field. Are you then hunting

487
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: like the downwind side of that CRP field or how

488
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: are you setting up in relationship?

489
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 6: Yep, yep. So I mean the way that it's sort

490
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 6: of shaped, you can get away with just about anything,

491
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 6: so you can you can set up one side for

492
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 6: a north wind, one side for a south wind, and

493
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 6: if you get some west in there, which you often do.

494
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 6: It's sort of like a wonky shape, so you can

495
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 6: always get into a point or something and your sense

496
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 6: generally gonna fall off because it's really bluffy, and so

497
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 6: you just have and and there's a there's a fair

498
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 6: amount of seedars in there too, so if you just

499
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 6: got to tuck into the ground for whatever reason, it's

500
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 6: it's huntable no matter what winds you get. You know,

501
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 6: it's if it would be different though, if you had

502
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 6: to cross it, you know for a morning sit like

503
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 6: I climb up to the edge, especially with a south

504
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 6: or a wet wind, and I don't have to expose

505
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 6: myself in it. If you if you had to, that

506
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 6: would be a little different story. So you'd have to

507
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 6: you'd have to play that game a little bit. But

508
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 6: it's just just one of those areas, man, And you

509
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 6: know they're visible enough so you can call to them.

510
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 6: They just there's just enough of that like sumac type

511
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 6: brush that they always just gravitate toward. And you know,

512
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 6: like when you see them leave a field at first

513
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 6: light or whenever they they start heading back to bed,

514
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 6: they often hit those spots where they'll kill a couple hours,

515
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 6: you know, just milling around, right, but they're not they're

516
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 6: not visible visible, but they're kind of visible, and they're

517
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 6: just like I think those deer they just sort of

518
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 6: have that moment of dumb where they're like, I kind

519
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 6: of I don't want to go back to bed, yet

520
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 6: I'm feeling it, like I'm making that rub. So when

521
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 6: you call to those deer they catch sight of a decoy,

522
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 6: they're like they're just sort of like more open to working.

523
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 6: And that's like that's the beauty of those spots.

524
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: Man. I like the sound of it a lot, dude.

525
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: I have so many freaking pins drop down there because

526
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 6: it's like, you know, might play the water game because

527
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 6: it's going to be hot, but it's so bluffy, like

528
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 6: real bluffs that you get these pinch points along the

529
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 6: rivers that are like to me, are just so reliable

530
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 6: during the rut where you can look and you're like,

531
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 6: get that one flat where a valley comes in, and

532
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 6: then it's just a wall, like a vertical wall for

533
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 6: six hundred yards, and then there's another valley there and

534
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 6: you're like, you know, those are littered with sign and

535
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 6: deer crossing all over. But to get between them, you know,

536
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 6: they might go halfway up the hill or something, but

537
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 6: most of the time there's that banging trail right along

538
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 6: the bottom, and your wind can blow over the river

539
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 6: and you're like, everybody who's got us, who wants to

540
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 6: see both places, is going to go through there?

541
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no short options. No, I'm excited, dude. Okay, so

542
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: that's your first rut trip and then if you or

543
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: when you tag out there, you're then start hitting the

544
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: Minnesota Wisconsin stuff. Yeah.

545
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I h my one of my daughters has a

546
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 6: buck tag left to fill and then in Wisconsin, and

547
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 6: then both of them have Minnesota tags. So I have

548
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 6: a I have a weird situation here at Minnesota where

549
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 6: it's kind of hard to get them out, Like I

550
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 6: have a place I can take them sometimes. But it's

551
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 6: a long story, but I My plan is get over

552
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 6: Wisconsin with them and get one more good hunt with

553
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 6: them in before you know, I'm gonna go. I gotta

554
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 6: go sit for myself here at some point. But yeah,

555
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 6: I'm excited. I'm gonna be I fully intend to watch

556
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 6: at least a couple of Bucks get shot on a

557
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 6: decoy here in the next I don't know, three weeks.

558
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: I would say. It's exciting. I'm gonna I'm gonna barrage

559
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: you with some more questions about the decoy setup in

560
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: a little bit, but we'll save that for our little

561
00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: tactic showdown. Perfect, all right, I guess I'll walk you

562
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: through my situation then, and then we can we can

563
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: talk some strategy. So since we last talked, you know,

564
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: I killed mid October buck and then re examined some

565
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: of my main Michigan stuff, did a hunt, did a

566
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: kind of scouting day, moving cameras around, shifting some stuff around,

567
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: trying to find the deer I have been after down

568
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: in southern Michigan, and they've kind of disappeared off the map.

569
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: When we talked in August, I had two bucks that

570
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: I was after, and they had been really consistent the

571
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: two years prior and they were really consistent all summer,

572
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: and then one of them disappeared on September third, nothing

573
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: and then one of them stayed consistent until October third,

574
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: and then he disappeared. That buck has still not shown

575
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: up a single time on trail camera or in any

576
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: of the times i've been out glass and I haven't

577
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: seen that deer. That's this big, tall ten pointer that

578
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: we're referring to as bear, he's missing. The other one

579
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: was this buck that's missing an eye. I found his

580
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: match set the spring. He's a five year old, and he,

581
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: you know, was so consistent years past, and he disappeared,

582
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: like I said, September third, for six weeks, didn't see

583
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: hide or hair of him, and then I got one

584
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: trail camera video of him this past weekend and that's it.

585
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: So I have one confirmation of life in a seven

586
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: week period.

587
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 6: What do you think has happened?

588
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: Dude? I have zero idea. I mean, he's a five

589
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: year old, and usually when they get that old, they're

590
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: pretty well settled into their thing, you know. I don't

591
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: think I've ever had a buck that was really consistent

592
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: at three and four and then just totally changed at five.

593
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: And I went back and looked at my pictures and observations,

594
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: like my notes from last year, and from October through December,

595
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: really through February of last year, almost every single day

596
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: I had him on one of the properties I can

597
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: hunt and a lot of daylight, a lot of activities

598
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: all over the place for the last two years. And

599
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: now he's just gone and I haven't. And it's not

600
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: because I've been in there. Like I have not gone

601
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: into the core of this property and this couple of

602
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: properties at all. I've not hunted it yet. So I

603
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: have glassed from the road, I've hunted edge stuff and

604
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: glass that done. Observation stands. I have a good number

605
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: of cameras around in places that historically he's been hitting.

606
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 6: I don't know, dude, I'm gonna throw a theory out

607
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 6: here just because of something I ran into, and I'm

608
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 6: probably pretty sure it's not your case. But I've had

609
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 6: so this property I'm hunting by my house. The deer

610
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 6: mostly disappeared except for this one little woodlot, and I

611
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 6: actually took one of my daughters in there. We were

612
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 6: mostly trying to call in a turkey, but maybe a

613
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 6: deer is going to come in. And I kept I

614
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 6: called in three flocks of turkeys and it was chaos.

615
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 6: They were scratching the whole time. The amount of like

616
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 6: fresh acorns that we were dealing with in there was

617
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 6: like for this time of year. It really caught me

618
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 6: off guard. And then where I saw that two year

619
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 6: old chase in the other morning, I saw ten deer

620
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 6: off the stand, which is a lot like usually I

621
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 6: don't see any deer on this property. Every one of them,

622
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 6: three bucks, seven dozen fawns all hit like a small

623
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 6: patch of oaks that I know they weren't hitting a

624
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 6: couple weeks ago because I was in there and killed

625
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 6: a deer. Like I'm like, it's crazy when something like

626
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 6: that happens, where you're like, I don't factor acorns into

627
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 6: this time of year ever, But last year in North

628
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 6: Dakota on that film that just dropped, those deer were

629
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 6: on specific trees, you know. I mean it's plain stuff,

630
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 6: so they're not that many trees. But those bucks were

631
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 6: like it was clearly like that was the destination. It's

632
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 6: not like there isn't a whole bunch of egg around there.

633
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 6: There's a ton of it, you know, but they were

634
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 6: like they weren't chasing last year during that blizzard, it

635
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 6: was like they were going to that freaking tree or

636
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 6: another tree to eat. And then I'm seeing it again

637
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 6: now and I'm like, are we kind of like missing

638
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 6: something like that? Where is it?

639
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 4: Like?

640
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: Did they just move over to bulk up on that

641
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: food source, you know, and they go get back?

642
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

643
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: I hope that's the case. I hope that they're just

644
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: back in there. And you know, I've got one camera

645
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: back in a kind of oak flatty area, but that

646
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: camera stopped sending pictures recently, so you know, maybe that's

647
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: that's the thing, but I should Here's my plan, given

648
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: given this mystery. I've been you know, playing it safe

649
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: waiting in this case. But it's the end of October.

650
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna go on discovery mode and I'm going

651
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: to go in and just start searching because at this

652
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: point there's there's no use hunting the stuff. I have

653
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: been hunting where they are not, and they have been

654
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: showing the places that I've been able to see to

655
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: this point. So now I'm gonna start going and seeing

656
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 2: these places that I have not observed yet. I'm just

657
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna explore and try to rEFInd them. So

658
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: tonight tomorrow, this whole upcoming like four day, four five days,

659
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go and check out spots that I have

660
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: not touched yet this year. Search it out, look for signs,

661
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: scout hunt spots where I can see a little ways,

662
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: but be back and cover. I'm gonna start hunting mornings now,

663
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: tight to the edge of some of these betting areas,

664
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: back in some of these oak flats. And you know

665
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: that should tell me something, hopefully.

666
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 6: And aren't you doing an up north hunt too.

667
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: Yes, Ish, I am doing this is like a I'm

668
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: not sure you know about this most recent shift, but

669
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm doing just a quick two day off north hunt

670
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: with my dad. We're gonna try to get back up

671
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: to our deer camp here like very beginning of November

672
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: and try to get him. We were trying to get

673
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: him an archer buck last year up there. We spent

674
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: like about a week and had like horrible conditions and

675
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: very very slow up movement. But man, the deer are

676
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: There's some big deer up there this year and a

677
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: lot of I mean relatively for us, a lot of bucks,

678
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: and so I just know it's a matter of time

679
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: before it's gonna work out, and I'd really love to

680
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: be up there with him. So I'm able to get

681
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: up there for two days with him at the beginning

682
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: of November. So we're gonna do that, hopefully get a

683
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: crack for him. Do you do you have a spot

684
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: there where you could run that dough decoy? Yeah, but

685
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, we have, Like I just worry'd be

686
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: so tight. I'd be worried about. You know, I've got

687
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: like the biggest opening I could do it is our

688
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: It's like a half acre food plot, maybe maybe three

689
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: quarters of an acre, And I just I don't I've

690
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: never thought about using decoys up there, just in a

691
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: low deer density area. I don't know you've done that

692
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: up north in northern Wisconsin. So you tell me, is

693
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: that crazy to try that? Would they come out of

694
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: that thick stuff and come into this little opening and

695
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: be shocked by that? Or do you think that might

696
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: be I don't know.

697
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 6: I mean, I'd have to see it, but a dough

698
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 6: decoy I would consider. And I mean I think that

699
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 6: that was sort of the secret to our success last year,

700
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 6: was the load deer density thing. I mean, you think

701
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 6: about those bucks up there, and you know how it

702
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 6: is like you can hunt a week and see like

703
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 6: three deer, you know, and so they're dealing with that

704
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 6: load deer density too. So if they pop in the

705
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 6: other end of the food plot and they see a

706
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 6: dough over there, you know they're coming. Like if you

707
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 6: get a buck that sees that, he's gonna go check

708
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 6: it out.

709
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: And I guess, like the thing I always worry about

710
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: decoys is that does come on it freak out, make

711
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: a whole hubbub and spook everything. But there's not that

712
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: many doughs in this area, so the chances of that

713
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: happening are relatively low. And even if it does happen,

714
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: it's a relatively low odds that that's gonna blow up.

715
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: You know, the one buck that might be half a

716
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: mile away at the moment, who's still cruising our direction,

717
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, it's not like there's twenty deer

718
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: all around that are going to get messed up.

719
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 6: Dude, I don't. I haven't had as many really bad

720
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 6: dough reactions out of that DSD dough as some of

721
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 6: the other ones I've used in the past, But it's

722
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 6: still when you think about that possibility, and then you

723
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 6: think about putting it on a relatively small opening, like

724
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 6: you don't You definitely don't want to surprise dose with

725
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 6: a decoy, you know, like you could get away with

726
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 6: it with some bucks for sure, but does are not

727
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 6: gonna right, They're not gonna treat you very well.

728
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting idea though, although now as you

729
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: say it, it's it's outside of my possibility set because

730
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: I don't have a dough decoy. I've got the buck,

731
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: but I don't have the dough. Make that phone call, buddy,

732
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: send that email. I guess.

733
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 6: You're Mark Kenyon.

734
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: That's never worked for me before, Tony, but I'll try.

735
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 6: You're one of the.

736
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 2: Top one hundred hunters in that one corner of Michigan

737
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: where you live. That might that might be true, that

738
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: one little corner. That's that's a bet I'm willing to take.

739
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: I got to ask you another question, though, I got

740
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: to pose another dilemma for you. So in that Southern Michigan,

741
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: back to Southern Michigan, I'm telling you about how I've

742
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: lost my two bucks that I know for sure mature,

743
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: and my plan is to try to find them and

744
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: seek kind of just explore the area. But I have

745
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: this other possible situation that I'm torn, and that is

746
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: this buck that I sent you pictures and videos of.

747
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: He showed up for the first time the day I

748
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: killed that really tall browton buck in mid October in

749
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: a different area, and I was back scouting in this

750
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: area the next I guess it would have been probably

751
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: the next day I was glassing and saw this year,

752
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: and so that was mid October. And since then, so

753
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: the last almost two weeks now, he's been all over

754
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: these properties and daylighting and showing up a bunch. He

755
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: wants to get shot, but I can't decide what to

756
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: do about him because I'm I'm a little worried. He's three,

757
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: and I don't like to shoot three year olds in

758
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: this area because I know, like, if I don't, there's

759
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: a decent chance they can make it to four or five.

760
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 2: And that's usually what I'm the last handful of years,

761
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: I've been just chasing five year olds, And so this

762
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: deer is like a tweener. I'm like, is he three?

763
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: Is he four? Do I want to hold out for

764
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: the deer I know armature and the hunt for a while,

765
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: or is this is a pretty darn nice buck. I

766
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't pass this deer if I was like traveling

767
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: somewhere on a quick hunt, or on public land, or

768
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: like you know, something where I was time limited. But

769
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: in this situation where I know the area, I have time,

770
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. Tony, what are your

771
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: thoughts on that buck? In my situation? That son of

772
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: a bitch who cares? I knew, I knew that's what

773
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: you were to say. First off, shoot.

774
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 6: Him and send in his teeth, and then come back

775
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 6: to me and tell me how what he ages, because

776
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 6: you might be very surprised. Secondly, shoot that son of

777
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 6: a bitch who cares? He is a nice dear is Mark,

778
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 6: you work in the hunting industry, Shoot him and go

779
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 6: out of state, go somewhere else.

780
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: I know, I know. I also I'm torn, man, I'm

781
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: torn because I also I also like, I like the

782
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: idea of shooting a nice buck, but then I also

783
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 2: liked the idea of trying to find like the really

784
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: old one that I know well, and like, I know

785
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: that that doesn't do it for you. But I also

786
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: am like as massa masochist, I guess i'd be like

787
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: I kind of like the suffering of like waiting to

788
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: try to find that deer. So I don't I really

789
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: don't know.

790
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 6: And that's just a different calculus though. I mean, you

791
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 6: can do that because you have a legitimate chance of

792
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 6: letting him go and having him.

793
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: Come back, you know. But I I just shoot him.

794
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean like, like, I mean, I recognize like this is.

795
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: It would be different if it was a trip where

796
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: I knew I didn't have any other time. But this

797
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: is like the situation where what I here's what happened.

798
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: If I shoot that deer, I'd be happy and it'd

799
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: be a great experience and a cool deer. But if

800
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: one of those other two bucks all of a sudden

801
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: showed up the next week and was like all over

802
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: the place, then I'd be kicking myself and I'd be like, oh, man,

803
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: I should have waited, because now this buck's back that

804
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: I really really was wanting to get after. And then

805
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: I'd be getting pictures of him all fall or I'd

806
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: go out there two does and I'd be seeing these

807
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: bucks and I'd be thinking, Ah, what an idiot. I

808
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: should have waited because look at that tank. He's a monster.

809
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's how I feel or not.

810
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm worried about. So that's how I

811
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: don't know. It's all gonna probably come down to if

812
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: that deer shows up in front of me, how I

813
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: feel and if it gets me freaking out excited or not.

814
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: But I do know every time when I've been out

815
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: glassing and I've caught him in my bios a couple

816
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: of times, and I've been out there and filmed him,

817
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: saw him and both times I was like, HOA, whoa

818
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: big buck, and the I'm like, oh, it's that one buck.

819
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: But at first I'm always like whoa, So that's an

820
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: impressive deer. I've been thinking about this a lot. H

821
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: I don't think.

822
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 6: I think that you should step back from looking at

823
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 6: white tail hunting like it's such an academic per suit

824
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 6: and look at it and go, would it be really

825
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 6: fun for you to go, you know what, that's some

826
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 6: bitch is number one on my list and I'm going

827
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 6: to go in and try to kill him? Or would

828
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 6: it not be fun?

829
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: Mm hmm?

830
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 6: Would you enjoy that?

831
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's that's That's here's the thing. Tony

832
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: is like, if I didn't I was actually talking to

833
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: one of our mutual friends about this just yesterday and

834
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: how I'm moosette Garrett. Oh and dude, let me tell

835
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: you Garrett story quick. He listens to this podcast, so

836
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: be warned.

837
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 6: I know it's great. I talked to him this morning

838
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 6: and he answered the phone and he's like, I'm like, dude,

839
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 6: I catch you in a workout or what.

840
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: He's like, No, I'm just coyote hunting. I just shot

841
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: a coyote. I was like, whoa buddy. Anyway, he gets

842
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: really into it. Yeah. Yeah. So we were just talking

843
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: the other day though about this very thing and how

844
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: you and I are actually so different on this. You

845
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: as you just described, like the most fun thing for

846
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: you would be shooting a buck, you know that you

847
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: get the chance at And I was kind of talking

848
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: Togair about how I totally get that, but I'm kind

849
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: of the opposite, and that I actually might enjoy the

850
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: pursuit of the thing that I am, like, actually the

851
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: thing I set my sights on originally for whatever reason,

852
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: I'd be fine not killing anything but then pursuing that possibility.

853
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: So if I didn't feel any kind of pressure to

854
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: fill a tag because of what we do and everything,

855
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: I might not kill buck for years at a time,

856
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: maybe if there wasn't the deer that I was really

857
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: excited about in certain situations like this where I can

858
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: do that. So I don't know, but I'm I'm, like

859
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: I said, I'm very torn on this because sometimes you

860
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: like a surpressed surprise is great, and you take a gift,

861
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, you don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

862
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: And then sometimes I'm like, gosh, I really do love

863
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: the you know, try to figure this buck out kind

864
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: of deal.

865
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 6: So let me ask you this about your hunting, because

866
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 6: one of the reasons that I have gone the route

867
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 6: that I go is because it's just, for whatever reason,

868
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 6: my favorite thing is to walk out on public land

869
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 6: and figure it out. Like I just the years that

870
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 6: I don't get to do that enough, I feel like

871
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 6: I'm missing something, you know, and I listen. I like

872
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 6: the private land hunts. I like setting up stands ahead

873
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 6: of time, like I understand it and I like it.

874
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 6: But that's like just the thing that hums for me.

875
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 6: I'm wondering with you, like, do you think at this

876
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 6: point you've got those deer figured out well enough where

877
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 6: you know, like, you know, this buck if he's daylighting

878
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 6: a whole bunch, and he's been there and he's on

879
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 6: all your cameras, there's probably a pretty good chance you're

880
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 6: going to go work that deer and kill him, right,

881
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 6: And so is this one of those things where you're like,

882
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 6: you've you've gotten to know these deer in this area

883
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 6: so well that like there's just a miss, even though

884
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 6: that that buck would look amazing and like definitely would

885
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 6: be a deer almost everybody would shoot, But for you,

886
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 6: because of this specific circumstance and the amount of time

887
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 6: you put in, you're like torn between trying to represent

888
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 6: the person who would shoot that deer because most people would,

889
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 6: but in your very specific situation, it's just not going

890
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 6: to give you what you need out of a hunt

891
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 6: for a deer.

892
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 5: There.

893
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that kind of maybe feels like what

894
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: I'm feeling where it almost feels like I don't know,

895
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time even explain it to myself,

896
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: but but yeah, for whatever reason, I kind of feel

897
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: like it almost seems too easy to kill that deer

898
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: right now, just based on man, he's been everywhere and

899
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: I've been seeing him and I've not gone in after

900
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 2: him because I'm waiting and waiting for this other deer

901
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 2: to show back up. And then when I got proof

902
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: of life of the five year old, I was like, oh, man,

903
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: like that's the buck. I really want to get a

904
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: crack app But I don't know if this deer. If

905
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: this deer marches in front of me at twenty yards

906
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: and just hangs out working a scrape tonight, who knows.

907
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: Maybe in the moment, I'm just gonna have to send it.

908
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean, so there.

909
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 6: The real lesson here, though, I think, is if people

910
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 6: are listening to this, they're like, I would go in

911
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 6: there and shoot that deer, Like I would be so

912
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 6: happy to have that setup. But it's like a careful

913
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 6: what you wish for a thing, you know, and people

914
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 6: people like say this to me a lot. Like I

915
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 6: own those two properties in Wisconsin. I almost never hunt them.

916
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 6: I almost always just go hunt the Big Woods public

917
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 6: land because I just like it better. And it's like

918
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 6: you just have to go. We're so focused on like

919
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 6: got to kill whatever size of buck, and this is

920
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 6: like just like across the board with hunters. But you

921
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 6: get enough experience and enough time out there and you go,

922
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 6: what is the thing that really like I want to

923
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 6: go out there today for and you know, it changes.

924
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 6: Like I was thinking about this when I missed that

925
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 6: big one in North Dakota. I was like, that of

926
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 6: wrecked me. I mean when I you know, ten fifteen

927
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 6: years ago, that would have been like a season ruining thing.

928
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 6: And I was like, I don't even really care, like

929
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 6: because I get to keep doing this thing I want

930
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 6: to do so bad in a place I want to

931
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 6: do it in. And so I think that the hard

932
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 6: part that we have is we understand that there's that difference, right,

933
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 6: like you understand what you're saying, like you know in

934
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 6: your heart what you want to do. You don't really

935
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 6: want to kill this deer because you know you're going

936
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 6: to kill him probably, and so it's like whatever, like

937
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 6: I want that next thing. And that's a hard message

938
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 6: to pass on to people because not everybody has that spot.

939
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 2: Well. And I think I think here's where I settle

940
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: on And what for anyone listening to this and thinking

941
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 2: we sound like crazy people, which is probably the case.

942
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: I think where I'm at and what I might suggest

943
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: people take away from all this is to just do

944
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: what's fun for you and to not care about what

945
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: other people think. That's what I'm trying to remind myself,

946
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: is I think I'm getting I'm feeling this like internal

947
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: pressure in my head of like people will think you're

948
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: nuts if you don't kill that deer, you're stupid. And

949
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: then if I don't kill a buck out here, then

950
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: they'll think I'm doubly stupid because I passed on that

951
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: super nice buck that anyone who's not a lunatic in

952
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: Michigan would shoot. But what might actually be most fun

953
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: for me might be passed on that deer. And just

954
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: seeing if the possibility of one of these two older

955
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: bucks coming back does pan out, that might end up

956
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: being what's most fun for me would give me the

957
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: most joy. And I think I'm just gonna what I

958
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: what I am gonna do is I'm gonna trust my

959
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 2: gut and trust what is most enjoyable for me despite

960
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: any outside pressures or outside perspectives that in saying that,

961
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: that also might in the moment change and it might

962
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: be man, that deer is awesome seeing him up close,

963
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: and I got I you want to take a crack

964
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: of that deer. Maybe that'll turn out to be the case.

965
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: But maybe it'll be the opposite. Maybe I'll watch him

966
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: be like, man, that's a beautiful deer. I'd love to

967
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: see him next year or late maybe even later this year.

968
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: But for now, I want to kind of see how

969
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks spans out, and maybe one

970
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: of these other deer comes back, and and you know what,

971
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: I you know, I've got enough meat in the freezer

972
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: by the you know, by the two bucks I've killed already,

973
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: and the doughs I'm going to kill in the coming

974
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 2: you know, month or two. And if I don't kill

975
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: a second Michigan buck, I'll survive, or maybe I do,

976
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: And then I'm sitting really pretty But I guess I

977
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 2: kind of want to just get back to just making

978
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: sure it's fun, you know, and do it for your

979
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: own reason. Every one of us has a different little

980
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: thing that we prefer. Like you just describe, You've got

981
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: a certain thing that really hums for you. I've got

982
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 2: a certain thing that really hums for me. Everyone's different.

983
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: And the more we can remove any outside noise and

984
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: not worry about what our friends would think, or what

985
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: the neighbors would think, or what anyone on social media

986
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: would think. I think we'd be a lot happier hunters

987
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: if we did.

988
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 6: That, right. I mean, I'll give you an example to

989
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 6: frame this up, you know, like I write a lot

990
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 6: about just figure out how to hunt a spot, Like

991
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 6: if you find a spot like that meatow I'm talking about, right,

992
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 6: if you didn't have good trees there, I'd be on

993
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 6: the ground in a heartbeat, you know, ground blind, no groundblind,

994
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 6: natural blind, whatever. And I pushed that partially because it's

995
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 6: just good advice, like if you if you find where

996
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 6: the deer are, you should just figure out how to

997
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 6: hunt them. But also sometimes you just figure out the

998
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 6: stuff that's just more fun. Like with my daughters, we've

999
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 6: been in pop up ground lines their whole hunting career

1000
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 6: turkeys and deer up until last year just a little

1001
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 6: bit I started taking them out and just having them

1002
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 6: sit on the ground and we do a natural groundbline.

1003
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 6: And then this year they both killed deer in Wisconsin

1004
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 6: from just natural groundblines where you're way more exposed and

1005
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 6: you see them coming. And both of my daughters were like,

1006
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 6: I don't ever want to get back in to pop up.

1007
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 6: This is better. And so we tend to kind of

1008
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 6: lean toward what is like what's like the easiest, most

1009
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 6: effective way, you know, and so like a like a

1010
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 6: box blind is a great example, right, Like I have

1011
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 6: a lot of buddies who they almost only hunt rednecks

1012
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 6: or whatever, which are super effective. But that's you know,

1013
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 6: like you might like that for three four seasons and go,

1014
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 6: you know what, I need to get back out there

1015
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 6: and do something different. But trying that different stuff is

1016
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 6: such an easy way to sort of tap into what

1017
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 6: you need out of it. And that stuff changes, you know,

1018
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 6: like your priorities changed depending on where you hunt, where

1019
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 6: you go, like how much time you have, like you said,

1020
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 6: how much meat you have in the freezer already none,

1021
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 6: you know, like and so I just think they hunt

1022
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 6: with my little girls that way. When they both said

1023
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 6: that afterwards, I'm like, that's like a it's like a

1024
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 6: key tenant of what we have to pay attention to.

1025
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 6: It's like so simple, but it's nice to be reminded

1026
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 6: of it.

1027
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true. Especially it's such a good reminder this

1028
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: time of year two because right for all of us,

1029
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 2: when we get to the rut, we're so we've been

1030
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: building and building building up to this moment. It's so

1031
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: easy to get obsessed with the actual I gotta kill buck,

1032
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: I gotta fill the tag, I gotta do the whatever,

1033
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: the thing you've been preparing for, the thing you've been

1034
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: working towards, the thing you've been dreaming about. So there's

1035
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: so much pressure building up to this moment. And for

1036
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: some of us, I know we've both had moments like this.

1037
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: You end up being stressed out and not enjoying yourself

1038
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: during the rut and grinding yourself to a pulp. And

1039
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: then you know you're chasing this thing you think you

1040
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: want because you've built up to this moment, and then

1041
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: you end up not enjoying the process because you're so

1042
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: stressed out or upset about the things that went wrong

1043
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: or mistakes you made, or the fact that the deer's

1044
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: not showing or whatever. And that's such a shame to

1045
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: have that Like this should be the most fun part

1046
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: of the year, and if you're doing anything that is

1047
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: taking the fun out of it, I think you got

1048
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: to reassess the situation and try to re level reset

1049
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: where you're at, because, at least as far as I'm concerned,

1050
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: the rut all season, but especially this time, this should

1051
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: be like the most joyful celebration of hunting. This should

1052
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: not be you know, the suffer fast grind of misery,

1053
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: which which oftentimes it becomes if we are not careful.

1054
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 6: Right well, And you know, one of the things that

1055
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 6: really hits home with me every rut is how I

1056
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 6: sort of and I'm sure a lot of people do this,

1057
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 6: but I sort of go into it with this feeling

1058
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 6: of like I just volume hunt this spot, or I

1059
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 6: just like it's going to be a dumb down thing,

1060
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 6: you know, like we're all just so fatigued by making

1061
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 6: decisions about our lives all day long with the kids

1062
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 6: and everything, and like we look at this like I

1063
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 6: can just go take it easy and sit that stand

1064
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 6: and they'll come to me. And so often I still

1065
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 6: have to go to them, Like you still have to

1066
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 6: play the sign game. And if you see them all

1067
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 6: crossing through that one brushy fence or whatever, like you

1068
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 6: can try to call them over, you can try to

1069
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 6: decoy him over, but your best bet is to get

1070
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 6: right on top of them and work them. And the

1071
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 6: rut doesn't, like it does, doesn't reallyeve you of those

1072
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 6: responsibilities like you still have you still have.

1073
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 2: To work them. Very true, and that is a perfect

1074
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: segue two. What I think we should call the what

1075
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 2: the white tail rut Rumble Last man Standing competition. Wow,

1076
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: I just came up with that on the fly. Total

1077
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: it's a little long, just just rolls out the tongue, though.

1078
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: I think here's what I want to do to wrap

1079
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: this sucker up. I can't remember if we've done this

1080
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: in the past and I'm forgetting, or if it's just

1081
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: an idea I had and we never actually did it.

1082
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: But I want to just go back and forth with

1083
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: white tail rot tactics or strategies or ideas, and we'll

1084
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: go back and forth. Each of us share a quick tip,

1085
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: and then the next person shares a quick tip, and

1086
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: we'll go back and forth until until someone runs out

1087
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: of ideas or we run out of time. All right,

1088
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: So that's how That's how I'm thinking we're gonna get

1089
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: to thirty nine specific actionable rut hunting tactics, or maybe

1090
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: it'll be more. I guess that's a question. Do you

1091
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: think will we be over under thirty nine?

1092
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 6: Thirty nine is a lot, bud, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1093
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 6: say under, but just barely.

1094
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: All right, So let's uh, let's let's see where we

1095
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: get in our I don't know. I've got another meeting

1096
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: that I've got to run to the tree and uh

1097
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: so maybe we've got ten to fifteen minutes left ish

1098
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: and less unless it's really gets milentum. Sorry, you go first, Tony.

1099
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 6: If you're if you don't know what to do during

1100
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 6: the rut, hunt water. I'm so reliable. Uh water out

1101
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 6: in the open or water deep in the cover, deep

1102
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 6: in the cover.

1103
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: If you have it, those those dose that are getting

1104
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: pushed around get thirsty, like and how go ahead? I

1105
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: was just gonna say, how do you set up on water?

1106
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 6: Depends what kind of water, right, you know, if it's

1107
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 6: a creak, it's a different story. I love a little

1108
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,959
Speaker 6: water hole in the woods. If I can hunt a pond,

1109
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get you know. I mean, obviously you got

1110
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 6: to read it a little bit. But just if you

1111
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 6: tuck ponds, you can look at them and see where

1112
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 6: they approach them. Some ponds out like out west are

1113
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 6: they'll be ringed with tracks, right, But a lot of

1114
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 6: ponds in the Midwest and the East, you'll find that

1115
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 6: one part where they just that's where they drop down

1116
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 6: to drink.

1117
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: For whatever reason.

1118
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 6: They can see better, or it's just easier access. That's

1119
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 6: where you want to be because those doors are going

1120
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 6: to bring those bucks in there.

1121
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: All right, all right, I would say, when trying to

1122
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: choose best possible stand sides stiring the rut, I like

1123
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: locations with compounding features. So best case scenario, I don't

1124
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: want to be just a pinch point. I don't want

1125
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: to be somewhere that's just a dill betting area. I

1126
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 2: don't want something that's just close to a scrape. I

1127
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: want all of these things compounding and layering. So give

1128
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: me like a layer cake stand, a stand that is

1129
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: downwind of a dough betting area where there's a pinch

1130
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: point and there's a creek crossing so there's like a

1131
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: double pinch, and there's a big inside the cover scrape

1132
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: that's within range, or there's a gap in the fence,

1133
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: or there's a oak tree that's dropping down acorns back

1134
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: in there too. I want layers for those locations where

1135
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to spend big periods of time. I love

1136
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: that kind of location in the rut, So I don't

1137
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: ever want to hunt somewhere just for one reason. I

1138
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: want to be like three or more things going for

1139
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: that spot right right. My next one would be.

1140
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 6: Most people don't do all day sits, you know, they

1141
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 6: just don't whatever, they don't have the time, patients, whatever.

1142
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 6: I would say one of the most important things to

1143
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 6: do if you don't want to just go pull all

1144
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 6: dayers for several days in a row is look at

1145
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 6: your weather app whatever you use, and when you see

1146
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 6: a weather change, try to be there. And I'm not

1147
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 6: like a huge like we all know the huge cold fronts,

1148
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 6: but man, you see sometimes where the wind's been out

1149
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 6: of some direction for a long time and it's just

1150
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 6: gonna switch. You know, usually that's prefrontal, but it doesn't

1151
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,959
Speaker 6: have to be or even like a little temperature drop

1152
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 6: or for some reason Thursday afternoon, there's gonna be just

1153
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 6: like intermittent rain, just a little bit, just gonna blow through.

1154
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 6: Like when you get you sort of get those like

1155
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 6: fits and starts during the like the chasing and the

1156
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 6: like the activity, and it's like it doesn't really matter

1157
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 6: what time of day it is when something like that changes,

1158
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 6: especially if you've been in a holding pattern for a

1159
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 6: couple of days. It doesn't have to be that like

1160
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 6: forty degree temperature drop, just something it often gets them

1161
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 6: on their feet. I mean even if you know, like

1162
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 6: if you sit out there in the rain all day

1163
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 6: like we did in one week in November a couple

1164
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 6: of years ago, and it just lightens up by like

1165
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 6: a few degrees, that puts them on their feet moving again.

1166
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 6: And so you can you can sort of be really

1167
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 6: targeted around weather and it doesn't have.

1168
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: To be that big front.

1169
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1170
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: I like that, And I'll jump in with one that's

1171
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 2: kind of a piggyback off that and kind of ties

1172
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: into a little bit of what we were talking about

1173
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: a minute, that being, you know, trying to be smart

1174
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: with how we hunt the rut and how we manage

1175
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: like our mental and emotional or fun level I guess,

1176
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: just managing the mental side of things during the rut.

1177
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: And and I say this because I came from like

1178
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: a history when I first started taking this really serious

1179
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: where I thought, you know, you kill deer with brute

1180
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: force in time in the stand, and you hunt every

1181
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: single minute of every single day. You hunt all day,

1182
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: every single day, and if you don't, you are not

1183
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: giving it one hundred and fifty percent, and you suck

1184
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 2: because of that. And that's an approach that can work.

1185
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: But if you are not having fun anymore, or if

1186
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: you've done this for nine straight days and you are

1187
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: so worn down that not only are you miserable, but

1188
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: you're also losing focus and you're not with it and

1189
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: you're not really able to pay and execute well, you

1190
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: end up losing more opportunities because of that and not

1191
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: have fun along the way. So I would suggest at

1192
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: least what I have started doing is I have given

1193
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: myself forgiveness. I'm forgiving myself for occasionally not hunting all

1194
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: day or occasionally, you know, looking at the weather forecast

1195
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: like you're saying and seeing like, ma'am, there's an eighty

1196
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: five degree day, you know, on November first, or October

1197
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: twenty ninth, or whatever it is. And if you're hunting

1198
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 2: a whole big week or ten days or something, give

1199
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: yourself permission to sleep in one morning, or give yourself

1200
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: permission to come in midday a time or two and

1201
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: go do the breakfast with your friends, or do lunch

1202
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: with your friends, and do the things that make the

1203
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: whole experience fun. And that also kind of refill your

1204
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:50,479
Speaker 2: energy tank, because if you don't, if you don't manage that, yeah,

1205
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: more tree or more time the tree. You could say

1206
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: that's better, but if you're in the tree but miserable,

1207
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: or in the tree and not actually mentally there, it

1208
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: might not be worth it. So I have found giving

1209
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: myself a couple moments to recoup actually makes me a

1210
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 2: more effective hunter.

1211
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 6: Down the line, I'm gonna piggyback on that. I'm gonna

1212
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 6: say I do a fair amount of all day sits.

1213
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 5: And.

1214
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: It has to be a sit in the cover.

1215
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 6: Where I just believe in my heart of hearts that

1216
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 6: whatever pinch point funnel, whatever feature, pond, whatever that I'm

1217
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 6: on is going to draw them. Like I think, I

1218
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 6: think that people hear the all day advice and they go, well,

1219
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 6: I'll go sit that box blind, or I'll go sit that,

1220
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 6: you know, my favorite stand on the cut corn, And

1221
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 6: it's like that might be great for two and a

1222
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 6: half hours a day and might be worthless for cruising

1223
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 6: bucks for the rest of the time. Like that, if

1224
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 6: you're going to do an all day sit, unless you know,

1225
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 6: unless you're in the heart of it and I or

1226
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 6: something where you just have like a really good property

1227
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 6: and they could just be bouncing all over. For most people,

1228
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 6: you have to set yourself up for that all day sit.

1229
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 6: It's not just go sit wherever you like to. It's

1230
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 6: like you got to be in that place that's just

1231
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 6: vibrating with dear activity, because that's if you if you

1232
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 6: don't have that, that second guessing comes in, sun comes up,

1233
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 6: you know whatever, Like you're you're gonna talk yourself into leaving.

1234
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 6: But if you're like I know, at some point today

1235
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 6: a buck is gonna run through this funnel, it's like

1236
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 6: it's so much easier to stay. Plus, when you're in

1237
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 6: the cover, you hear squirrels and like there's just like

1238
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 6: there's like a different vibe to the whole thing where

1239
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 6: you're like a little bit more paying attention and it

1240
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 6: just feels more possible.

1241
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: So true, Uh So mine will be piggybacking off that

1242
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: in saying that if you find yourself struggling to hunt

1243
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: all day but you want to do it and you're

1244
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: excited to do it, a one little like cheak code

1245
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 2: way to get through and all day hunt a little

1246
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: bit better is to make a move so you're still

1247
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 2: basically hunting all day, but just get down and shift

1248
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 2: to a new spot. You know, I would, personally if

1249
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: I were to pick a time of day to do

1250
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: my move, I would typically say it's going to be

1251
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: after the midday, so it'd be like maybe two o'clock

1252
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: or three o'clock, because I like, you know, there's a

1253
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: course your first light movement, and then there seems to

1254
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: be that late morning cruising that happens somewhere between like

1255
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: ten in one. Maybe if I had to put a window,

1256
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: that seems to be a window when like a mature

1257
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: buck's going to get back on his feet and check

1258
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: dough betting area. So I don't want to be leaving

1259
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: that if I don't have to. But it seems like

1260
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: if I had to pick a spot where there's oftentimes

1261
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: a lull, it'd be that one or two o'clock to

1262
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: three o'clock maybe somewhere in there. That's when I will typically,

1263
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: if I'm trying to do an all this but want

1264
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: to shift locations, that's a good time to do it.

1265
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: And then it also sets you up well because that

1266
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: morning through the midday can be great back in the cover,

1267
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: like you're describing, but sometimes those spots slow down for

1268
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: the last hour of daylight, and so if you want

1269
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 2: to make a move at three o'clock, to a more

1270
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: evening specific location that might set you up for the

1271
01:04:59,000 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: best of both worlds.

1272
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 6: I'm gonna am I gonna piggyback on you, piggybacking on me, piggybacking.

1273
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 6: I'm not sure I would say with I do want

1274
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 6: to talk about the all day sit thing one, like,

1275
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 6: let's let's just push this a little bit more. Anything

1276
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 6: you can do so if if you can't sit in

1277
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 6: a tree stand all day for whatever reason, sit in

1278
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 6: a groundb line, like if you can stretch out, or

1279
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 6: like the the midday move thing like you said. One

1280
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 6: of the things that I did in North Dakota this

1281
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 6: year that was like a game changer, which is gonna

1282
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 6: sound dumb, is I brought my little elk stove and

1283
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 6: I brought some of those peak refuels. So instead of

1284
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 6: making sandwiches to eat for seven days in a row,

1285
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 6: we get out of stand midday to move because we

1286
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 6: were out there all day and we go sit on

1287
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 6: the river bank, cook up some macaroni and cheese or

1288
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 6: whatever we had whatever, dude, and it was like you

1289
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 6: got some energy and you're like it was just like

1290
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 6: a nice break. We didn't leave where the deer are,

1291
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 6: but we just like that was like the way to

1292
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 6: make it through. And I think, you know, I remember

1293
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 6: Eddie Claypoole talks about this a lot, or he used to,

1294
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 6: but I remember thinking, like, it would be insane to

1295
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 6: bring a book hunting, or it'd be insane to like

1296
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 6: have two thermoss of coffee, as if that's what you need.

1297
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 6: I'm like, now, I'm like, take whatever you have to

1298
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 6: take if reading a book is what's going to keep

1299
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 6: you out there or whatever, because, like you said, when

1300
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 6: you actually get that buck that comes through at eleven

1301
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 6: o'clock or one o'clock or two o'clock, that you can

1302
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 6: live off of that for a long time, Like that's

1303
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 6: a powerful motivator to keep doing those all day sis

1304
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 6: and it's mostly not going to happen, but when it does,

1305
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 6: it's amazing. And so just figure out how to put

1306
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 6: that time.

1307
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: And if you have the time, Yeah, and you're right,

1308
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: Snacks food, man, that makes a huge difference. My daughter

1309
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: just got brace, so she says, snacks and it's great.

1310
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: My son just lost his second big tooth, so now

1311
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: he's missing his two front teeth and he's got an

1312
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: interesting little lisp thing go on too. So you brought

1313
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: up food. So my snack hack is that I bring

1314
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: enough snacks and then I bring enough snacks to be

1315
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 2: able to parse them out on like a schedule. So

1316
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 2: of course I do, right, that's the most Mark Kenyon

1317
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: thing ever. But the way I do it is is

1318
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: I like a sign, like every hour I'm able to

1319
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: pick something else out of my snack bag, and then

1320
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: I know, like I have to look forward to all right,

1321
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: ten o'clock, I get the oreos, and then like, all right,

1322
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock, if you can just make it to eleven,

1323
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the bag of mang dried mangos or whatever.

1324
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: And so just throughout the day, you've got these little

1325
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: one hour celebrations that you get to look forward to

1326
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 2: throughout that long day that just give you that tiny

1327
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: little bit of extra something. And that's all helped me

1328
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: the all days too. Dude.

1329
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 6: It's incredible how many people I talk to about all

1330
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 6: day sets who will say, I try to not have

1331
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 6: my first drink of coffee as long as I can,

1332
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 6: so I delay that, you know, because you get colder

1333
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 6: and colder and tired, and you're like I just because

1334
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 6: you know you're only you know, twenty ounces of coffee

1335
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 6: or whatever, like you can drink it. And so you're

1336
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 6: like a lot of people I talk to who do

1337
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 6: all day sits. We'll talk about that, like I try

1338
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 6: to save it as late into the morning as I

1339
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,759
Speaker 6: can because it's like this amazing reward.

1340
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: So do you drink coffee on all day sets?

1341
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 6: Oh? Dude, I would shoot coffee directly into my eyeballs

1342
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 6: on all day sits if I could see.

1343
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: I'm always I'm always worried about possibly incurring the wrath

1344
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: of the coffee's diuretic effects and having one of those.

1345
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: So I usually don't drink coffee on all day sits,

1346
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 2: although I have toyed with and I occasionally do, but

1347
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 2: I'm always a little paranoid. I just go nuts for donuts. Buddy.

1348
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 6: That's that Jesus take the wheel moment for me because

1349
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 6: I'm drinking that coffee.

1350
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So my snack attack tip was the last one.

1351
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: You're next. We'll switch gears here.

1352
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 6: So I just I just wrote a foundation script and

1353
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 6: an article about hunting with decoys, and one of the

1354
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 6: things that I kind of focused on, or at least

1355
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 6: one aspect of it, is when you put a decoy out,

1356
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 6: you are inviting the deer right into something that you've touched,

1357
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 6: like right into an area, And so there's like a

1358
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 6: there's a risk reward thing with these rut tactics, right,

1359
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 6: So calling is different. But if you want to put

1360
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 6: out a cent wick with some dope on it, what's

1361
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 6: the risk that you're going to touch something or leave

1362
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 6: scent there or disturb that area that you're inviting deer

1363
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 6: in versus the reward like the likely reward of a

1364
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 6: buck getting down when turning in on it. Right, So

1365
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 6: I look at that stuff and I go, I don't

1366
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 6: ever do it. Like if I'm good enough to get

1367
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 6: a buck to smell that and come in, I'm good

1368
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 6: enough to just to get him right where I want

1369
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 6: to shoot him anyway. But it decoy is different, and

1370
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 6: so I'm like that risk is worth it because I

1371
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 6: know I can call a deer in from very far

1372
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 6: away with that and in multiple directions. So it's always

1373
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 6: like I think people look at it, it's like it's

1374
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 6: kind of a safe play, right, Like I'm gonna put

1375
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 6: out some centwix down by that scrape or whatever. But

1376
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 6: it's like, you know, if that little four ky comes

1377
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 6: in you don't want to kill and he gets wiggy

1378
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 6: about it and blows, or you get a dough that

1379
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 6: walks by. It's like was that worth it?

1380
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 4: You know?

1381
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 6: So like think about that stuff because these we look

1382
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 6: at a lot of rut tactics like that as it's

1383
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 6: just like I'm just gonna do it, and it's like additive.

1384
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 6: It doesn't it doesn't have a negative possibility, but it does.

1385
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true. So you bring up another thought for

1386
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 2: me when it comes to using decoys and or calls

1387
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: and my rut calling approach, that I would suggest that

1388
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 2: or at least this worked well for me, has been

1389
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: using like an escalator approach. And so by that I

1390
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: mean I start at the bottom of my calling escalator

1391
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 2: and then I will advance up the escalator in aggressiveness

1392
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 2: if I have to. But I am reading the deer's

1393
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 2: body language before shifting up a notch with each one,

1394
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: and if I can stop low on the escalator, I will.

1395
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: So what I mean by that is number one, if

1396
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: I can, I will start with just like a contact

1397
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: grunt first, just like a prop and hopefully get a

1398
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: buck's attention with that. And again this is if I

1399
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 2: see a buck. I'm not doing that. I don't blind

1400
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: grunt really ever, this is only if I see a

1401
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 2: buck that I'm trying to call in the range, I

1402
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 2: will start with something relatively subtle, and if I can

1403
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: get him to hear that and get a reaction out

1404
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: of him, then I'll stop there if possible. So you're

1405
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: watching to see what he does. Does he turn does

1406
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: he pin his ears back, does he puff up? Does

1407
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 2: he start to come your way? Then anything like that,

1408
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying, okay, great, I'm done. If he doesn't hear

1409
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: it at all, well, then I'm going to try to

1410
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 2: turn up the notch next. Or if he kind of

1411
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 2: perks up hears it, but then just keeps on going

1412
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: his way, that I might try to escalate to the

1413
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: next level, which typically for me would be more of

1414
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 2: like a buck roar or growl, just like a more

1415
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: aggressive like ra bra something like that, And so that

1416
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 2: would be my next step up. And then again I'm

1417
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: watching body language, trying to see what he's what he's

1418
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 2: gonna do, what does he think about this, And if

1419
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: at any point along this pathway or like up this path,

1420
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: I see him negatively react, which would be like tucking

1421
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: his tail and turning and walking away or in any

1422
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: kind of way showing like I don't like this, I

1423
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: just stop, you know, if you see anything like that.

1424
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 2: I've at least I have never once seen a buck

1425
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: react like that and then me keep pushing it and

1426
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 2: then at turn him around. It's never worked for me,

1427
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 2: so it's almost always better to bail if he starts

1428
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 2: seeing something like that, and then the final thing would

1429
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: be a snort wheeze, So that would be the top

1430
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: of my escalator. If he just hasn't heard it, or

1431
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: if he's kind of just like hanging out, or if

1432
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: he's kind of circling you but not coming in, you know,

1433
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: maybe then you throw the snort wheeds, which is like

1434
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: the final flipping him off, you know, challenging him to

1435
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: a fight, especially if this is like a big, old

1436
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: mature buck that you would think would want to dominate,

1437
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: like that's the final move. So that is my escalator

1438
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: approach to calling during the rut. And what I would

1439
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: do if you see a buck that's out of range,

1440
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: want to get him in.

1441
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 6: Right right, I would.

1442
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 2: I would take that. I guess maybe this isn't even

1443
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 2: all that related.

1444
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 6: One of the things that I noticed during my rut

1445
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 6: hunts a lot is I will get married to an idea,

1446
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 6: like I have some stuff over in Wisconsin set up.

1447
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 6: I set some stuff here in Minnesota for the rut

1448
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 6: when I get back from Iowa, and I'm very confident

1449
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 6: that they're going to work, but I also know from

1450
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 6: history that there's a very good chance they won't work.

1451
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 6: And so often, you know, like rut hunting isn't in

1452
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 6: the moment thing this year. But I've been sitting on

1453
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 6: stands my whole life and watch deer do things where

1454
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 6: I'm like, why, like why didn't he just cross here

1455
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 6: below where this ravine blows out and it's like just

1456
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 6: a perfect pinch point, like what's up there one hundred

1457
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 6: and twenty five yards uphill that they keep using And

1458
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 6: you start to figure out like if you even if

1459
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 6: you see a four key, even if you see like

1460
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 6: just not anywhere near your target classic buck or whatever,

1461
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 6: and they do something, they're not lying, like they're using

1462
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 6: that wind and they're using that terrain and they're giving

1463
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 6: you a glimpse into the future because another buck is

1464
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 6: going to do that.

1465
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 2: And so often I will sit something where I'm like,

1466
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 2: this is it this is the X on the X,

1467
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 2: Like I'm done, and I'll see.

1468
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 6: Those deer halfway up the hill over and over, or

1469
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 6: you know, cutting through that patch of seedars out there

1470
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 6: in that no man's land, and you go, there's something

1471
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 6: I don't know, like that's better than this, and instead

1472
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 6: of like mind grinding on it, it's like just go, like,

1473
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 6: just just believe what they're telling you. And if not

1474
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 6: this year, you better mark that and have that, you know,

1475
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 6: winter scout that and get that ready for next year

1476
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 6: because it's going to come into play.

1477
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I've seen the flip side of that though, too,

1478
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 2: So my next one would be sometimes the opposite might

1479
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 2: be the case in which, or at least I have

1480
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 2: been guilty of this in the past, where I would

1481
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: see a buck, like during the run, I'll see a

1482
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: buck do something, and so I race over go hunt there.

1483
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 2: And then that day I'm sitting there and then I

1484
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: see a buck do something back where I was or

1485
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: somewhere else, so then I race over to hunt over there,

1486
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 2: and then I see a buck do something different, so

1487
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 2: then I race over, and the I'm just bouncing around

1488
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 2: from place to place to place. Sometimes not always, but

1489
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 2: sometimes if you have a spot that you know, like historically,

1490
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: you know bucks will move through here, or you know

1491
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: this is the X, or you know there's a really

1492
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 2: good reason for them to pass through. Sometimes it pays

1493
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: to volume hunt or to stick to a spot like

1494
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 2: that and just give it a little bit of time,

1495
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 2: because you know, if you just constantly are chasing, you

1496
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 2: never give any one spot enough time to actually produce.

1497
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: But if you give one of these spots, you know,

1498
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: twelve hours or two days, two days or whatever, it

1499
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: is the appropriate amount of time. And if you know

1500
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: that yes, like this is this is a place where

1501
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 2: it will happen, sometimes it does pay to give it

1502
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 2: time and to not chase one offs, but to to

1503
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 2: to allow yourself to trust the process, trust the place.

1504
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 2: And it's like the trick is like balancing what you

1505
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 2: share it and what I share because there's value in both.

1506
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 2: You got to know when to do one and one

1507
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: to do the other.

1508
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 6: There's a there's a clock management aspect of it where

1509
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 6: I really think that if you if you believe in

1510
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 6: a spot, you should at least give it one full

1511
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 6: day with the right win and if it doesn't produce,

1512
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,560
Speaker 6: you know, like you got to just go is this

1513
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 6: worth the next couple of days? And you know, this

1514
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 6: is where trail cameras and the rut come in too,

1515
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 6: because people use trail cameras all the time to be like, oh,

1516
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 6: they're moving at night, or they're not moving at or

1517
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 6: you know, in the day or whatever, or they're chasing

1518
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 6: now and they weren't before, they're not chasing a day

1519
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 6: or or something like that. But I look at it

1520
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 6: and I go, if I have some pictures of a

1521
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 6: good one going through a spot, even if it's nighttime,

1522
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 6: even if it was you know, sporadically over the last

1523
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 6: three weeks, nothing where you'd be like, I'm gonna haunt

1524
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 6: him and kill him.

1525
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 2: That's one of his routes.

1526
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 6: So how much time? And what if there's three of

1527
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 6: them that sporadically use it? Like, now do you go

1528
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 6: that's that's not a one day spot. That might be

1529
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 6: give it three days if the wind is right for

1530
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 6: you and the conditions are right, Like I have that

1531
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 6: situation Wisconsin like that where it's not consistent, but I'm

1532
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 6: I think on average, maybe one out of every three

1533
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 6: days during the run, a good one goes through there.

1534
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 6: So I'm going to try to give it five or

1535
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 6: six days, give myself that cushion and do that. But

1536
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 6: if I'm in there and on day three I've seen

1537
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 6: all of them go through somewhere else, it's time, you know.

1538
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially in those low deer density areas like

1539
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 2: that that you're describing, those spots really need that time.

1540
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 2: So here's one where I would suggest make it an

1541
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 2: immediate move, or at least most scenarios like this. If

1542
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: you see a buck locked down with a dough and

1543
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 2: they go into some patch of cover. And I know

1544
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 2: this might be different in certain areas of the country

1545
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: where the habitat is different, but at least in the

1546
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 2: places where I've seen this happen the most, like mixed

1547
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 2: timber ag kind of stuff like that I have oftentimes

1548
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 2: seen if you spot a buck that is actively locked

1549
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 2: on a dough, tending that dough, standing with the dough,

1550
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 2: they will oftentimes stick to a pretty small area of

1551
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 2: cover for a long time, you know, for a day

1552
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: or two, a couple of days. And so if I

1553
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 2: see that, I will whenever the next opportunity is for

1554
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 2: me to move, I'm going to move as tight as

1555
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 2: I can into that zone where I saw them with

1556
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: a strong belief that they will be back the next

1557
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 2: day or the next that afternoon or that morning or

1558
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: whatever the situation is. I want to get as close

1559
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 2: and into that zone as possible, and then I will

1560
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 2: grind it out in that spot for you know, forty

1561
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: eight hours maybe, because that oftentimes can be a great

1562
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 2: way to get one of these deer. They do not

1563
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: not most of the time. You're not gonna have a buck.

1564
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 2: That's again like not chasing it though. I'm saying like

1565
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: when you see them standing for four hours together in

1566
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: a thicket, you know that's going to be a spot

1567
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 2: They're probably gonna be back into that zone again. So

1568
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 2: so move on that. For sure. I've seen that, I've

1569
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 2: been I've had very I've had a lot of close

1570
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 2: calls on that, and a couple of times have killed

1571
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 2: deer because of that.

1572
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about that a little bit.

1573
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 6: So we break this down to like pre ru you know,

1574
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 6: testing each other out, laying down sign chasing a little bit,

1575
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 6: and then you got to just bonkers chase phase and

1576
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 6: then you have the lockdown. And we talk about this

1577
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 6: like it like it's like a hard and fast rule

1578
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 6: for x amount of days, then X amount of days,

1579
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 6: then x amount of days. It doesn't work that way

1580
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 6: like it it It changes for sure, Like the activity

1581
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 6: does definitely morph over time. But when we say like

1582
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 6: I think that patience kills big bucks, like I think,

1583
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 6: I think the more time you put in just the better.

1584
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 6: But it doesn't have to be dark to dark from

1585
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 6: November third to November seventh. Like you start on Halloween

1586
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 6: or whenever, the last week of October, and you know,

1587
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 6: you get a day here and a day there and

1588
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 6: a day there, and you can you can go deep

1589
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,560
Speaker 6: into November, deeper than a lot of people think. You know,

1590
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 6: you start getting into middle of November where everybody's like, oh,

1591
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 6: it's just not happening anymore because it's lockdown. It's like,

1592
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, if you're ever going to kill

1593
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 6: that one sixty that lives in the swamp most of

1594
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 6: the time, he might be more vulnerable on November fifteenth

1595
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 6: than he is on November first. And so it's like

1596
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 6: you don't have to just concentrate everything on that first

1597
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 6: week in November, like take the time that you can

1598
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 6: get and use it because you have a three week

1599
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 6: window maybe more to catch some level of the rut,

1600
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 6: and I think we I think we sort of like

1601
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 6: forget that sometimes that it's like it's very possible on

1602
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 6: November fifteenth, just as it.

1603
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 2: Is on the first. Yeah, so true. So this is

1604
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 2: something that I have learned the hard way sometimes, and

1605
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 2: I think is most applicable to people if you were

1606
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 2: hunting public land or or a newer spot there where

1607
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 2: maybe you don't have a ton of confidence in anyone

1608
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 2: given set up, but you know, I think it's not

1609
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: an infrequent thing for there to be days during the

1610
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 2: rut where it is on fire in one spot and

1611
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 2: absolutely dead in another. Like especially, I think this tends

1612
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 2: to happen a little bit earlier in the rut when

1613
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: there's like that first hot dough or the first few

1614
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: hot doughs on like every buck in the area is

1615
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 2: on that dough chasing around, right. I mean, how many

1616
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 2: days have you had where it is absolutely dead by

1617
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 2: you and then your buddy who's four hundred yards away

1618
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: it was like, dude, it was absolutely on fire, amazing,

1619
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 2: and the ruts cappen and it's on right. I mean,

1620
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 2: it can just be that way. And so if you're

1621
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 2: hunting public or a new spot or an area that

1622
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 2: you just don't have that rock solid confidence in your zone.

1623
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just have to go and find that hot

1624
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 2: spot and not be afraid to get on your feet

1625
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 2: and move around and aggressively push your way around until

1626
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: you find where that hot spot is. And oftentimes you

1627
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 2: can get away with being a little bit more aggressive,

1628
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: and maybe you do bump a few deer as you

1629
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 2: go in there, but that's okay. If you find that

1630
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 2: rutfest where there's the hot dough and there's like four

1631
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: satellite bucks all around and stuff, and you bump one

1632
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 2: of those bucks, it's probably not the end of the world.

1633
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: You could probably slip in there, get set up, and

1634
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,919
Speaker 2: there's gonna be action kind of rotate like a hurricane

1635
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,759
Speaker 2: around the eye, like there's the eye of the hurricane

1636
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 2: that's your hot dough, and then there's gonna be the

1637
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: spinning vortex of bucks around it for a while. And

1638
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 2: so if you're struggling and you've been in the dead

1639
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: zone for a while, get up find that and that

1640
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: can sometimes get you in the goods that you might

1641
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 2: not otherwise have if you were just waiting and wishing

1642
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 2: and don't have a really good reason to be waiting

1643
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 2: and wishing on that.

1644
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 6: I would say too, you know I mentioned before, watch

1645
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,719
Speaker 6: those weather changes, but also you still have to hunt

1646
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 6: the conditions. And so the easiest way to frame this

1647
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 6: up is with the hot weather, right Like we're getting

1648
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 6: a lot of hot weather during the ruts the last

1649
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 6: few years.

1650
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 2: It's just happening.

1651
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 6: And I remember this is probably eight years ago now,

1652
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 6: but driving down in Nebraska to hunt some public land

1653
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 6: and it was hot, like seventy five degrees and I

1654
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 6: hunted my usual stuff and I couldn't see a deer.

1655
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 6: I mean, it was like just brutal or you'd see them,

1656
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 6: you know, right at last night start poking out. And

1657
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 6: it was like I was like, this is so dumb.

1658
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 6: I can get down in the valley, get into some

1659
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 6: of this shady cover, better get closer to the trout

1660
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 6: stream that's down there, and actually be like at least

1661
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 6: give myself a chance with these conditions. And I moved

1662
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 6: down there and I killed a buck almost instantly, like

1663
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 6: five minutes after I got set up. And it's like, yeah,

1664
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 6: he's gonna cruise still like he's still looking for doze,

1665
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 6: but he's gonna go where the deer are gonna be

1666
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 6: where there's some relief, and so you have to hunt

1667
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 6: those be like you have to hunt to the conditions.

1668
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 6: You know, you get super windy or dead calm or whatever.

1669
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 6: It's not just go out and sit your favorite stand

1670
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 6: and rattle, because they're gonna come to you. Like, they're

1671
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 6: still going to react to all these external factors. And

1672
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 6: so when you're like, well, the rut's not on because

1673
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 6: I'm not on them, it's like the rut's absolutely on somewhere,

1674
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 6: like you said, But a lot of times it's tied

1675
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 6: to them finding some relief, not just from getting away

1676
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 6: from hunters, but just whatever the whatever mother nature tosses

1677
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 6: their way.

1678
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I would just tag onto that by

1679
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: saying that, like you said, there's a lot of people

1680
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: that are looking at the forecast and seeing warm temperatures

1681
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 2: and that will scare away some people. And I would

1682
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: just say that, yes, it certainly does seem to slow

1683
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: things down some, but to your point, you can hunt.

1684
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: You can use that to your advantage and hunt the

1685
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 2: places where they should be. And also remember like the morning,

1686
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: like the bucks are still running, like the deer are

1687
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: still running. The thing is happening. It's not like warm

1688
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 2: weather stops the rut. It just it suppresses the daylight activity,

1689
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 2: especially the midday or after doing activity when it's warmest.

1690
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: Right because they're wearing a it's like they're wearing a

1691
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: warm winter jacket. It's just not as comfortable to be

1692
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: out hiking around when you're wearing that. In it's eighty degrees.

1693
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 2: So still the mornings when they're cool, they're still gonna

1694
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 2: be getting after it. They're still getting after it all night,

1695
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: probably the edges of the evening. So don't mail it in.

1696
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 2: Don't assume like because it's seventy five on November two,

1697
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 2: that that you shouldn't hunt. You absolutely still can have

1698
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: success and see running activity. It just might be a

1699
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 2: little slower in those warm parts of the day. But

1700
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: certainly take advantage of the cool mornings the end of

1701
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 2: the evening, and don't be surprised if something crazy still

1702
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:02,759
Speaker 2: does happen, because it is the rut, and stuff can surprising.

1703
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 2: We got time for one more tony, then we gotta

1704
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 2: wrap it up, everybody.

1705
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 6: I would say my least just personally, my least important

1706
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 6: piece of deer sign for the rut. Rut, not pre rut,

1707
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 6: but rut is a scrape. I'm just I move on

1708
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 6: from them. I like rubs better. But honestly, when i'm

1709
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 6: I'm in the thick of it and I'm trying to

1710
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 6: figure out someplace to be or like there's whatever my

1711
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 6: plan is. Changing tracks are so important to me during

1712
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 6: the rut, like fresh, big running tracks, or a big

1713
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 6: concentration of fresh tracks is like that to me, when

1714
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 6: I see that is a huge clue, Like if you

1715
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 6: can tell it's been made within the last day or so,

1716
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 6: or you can just see that track over track over track,

1717
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 6: trail whatever. That's so important because you want that concentration

1718
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 6: a deer, or you want that big one that crossed

1719
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 6: the fence right there. You're like, you have to see him.

1720
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 6: You can look and see that he left, he left

1721
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 6: everything you need to notice to show you that he

1722
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,879
Speaker 6: at least went through there at some point recently.

1723
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 2: I like that a lot. Yeah, And if you're not

1724
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 2: super comfortable with identifying tracks or reading tracks, you should

1725
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 2: check out the white Tail Edu video that Tony and

1726
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 2: I did. That's over on the meat Eater clips YouTube channel.

1727
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: You can find that, and we do deep dives in

1728
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: the tracks. There's videos on calling uh, mature buck travel

1729
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff. So if you're if you're needing

1730
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 2: some last minute brush ups on some tactics, that's another

1731
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 2: idea for you. It's the white Tail Edu series.

1732
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 6: Plus, there is a video of you eating deer pool,

1733
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 6: which has made you the most famous uh deer hunter

1734
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,480
Speaker 6: in the country apparently.

1735
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: Uh for some reason, that's the one that everyone sees

1736
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 2: and comments on. And it was a raisin that people

1737
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 2: it was not.

1738
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 6: Actually Mark cemented legacy with that video, and that's how

1739
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 6: he'll be remembered forever.

1740
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 2: Yes, that'll be on my tombstone. So so my last

1741
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 2: piece of advice leading into the rut here for all

1742
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 2: of you is where we started when we began this

1743
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 2: little period, which is just keep it fun, Like, keep

1744
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 2: it fun. If you're torn on what to do, or

1745
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 2: if you're struggling and you're stressed out or whatever, my

1746
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 2: suggestion is to make the choice that would bring you

1747
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 2: the most joy, and oftentimes that leads to you being

1748
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 2: more successful because it gets your mindset right, gets your

1749
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 2: attitude right, keeps your energy high. And it's funny every

1750
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: time that I found myself leaning in that direction, going

1751
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 2: towards the choices or the trips to the destinations, or

1752
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: whatever it is that's actually going to make this thing fun.

1753
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 2: I ended up actually doing better too. So enjoy this thing.

1754
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 2: It's the super Bowl of the white tail season. It's

1755
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 2: Christmas and Thanksgiving and Easter and every damn holiday I

1756
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 2: all rolled into one. Enjoy it, Celebrate it, spend time

1757
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: with your buddies while you're doing it. Go help your

1758
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 2: friends track a deer, even if it means you're gonna

1759
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 2: miss a little bit of hunting time. That's the stuff

1760
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 2: that actually leaves a memory forever. Just soaking all the

1761
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 2: good stuff. That's my greatest suggestion. And I'm going to

1762
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: try to live by that same advice. And I tell

1763
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 2: you all this because I have been guilty of doing

1764
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 2: the opposite too often. So that's going to do it

1765
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: for us. Say Tony, thank you for making time here

1766
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 2: before you take off. Good luck in Iowa, good luck

1767
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: up north. Can't wait to hear how it goes. And

1768
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 2: for all you listening, this is it. Have a great time,

1769
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 2: Be safe, hunt smart. Until next time, stay wired to hunt.