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Speaker 1: Hey, what up? Welcome in, UM, Doug Gottlieb. Then you

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Speaker 1: have downloaded all ball, all basketball all the time. I

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Speaker 1: know there's no NA tournament, so today is a Friday.

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Speaker 1: We should be recapping all the games. I should be

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Speaker 1: breaking down all the matchups. You should be following me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I should be winning you money. But

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Speaker 1: I want to do UM for as much time as

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Speaker 1: I can do it, which is keep giving me pods

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Speaker 1: of conversations with my basketball friends, their thoughts in the tournament,

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Speaker 1: my memories in the tournament. Uh, you know, we'll bounce

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Speaker 1: think it is. But the memories are unique and distinct.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember, obviously tons of memories as a kid

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Speaker 1: going to n c A tournament games. UM, watching the

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Speaker 1: Me and my buddies we used to We used to

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Speaker 1: Like I remember Cincinnati lost in Minnesota was coached by

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Speaker 1: Boba Huggins. Remember that team you have, Nick van Exel,

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Speaker 1: I used to sell tickets to the Final four, you get.

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Speaker 1: like that's what that was my childhood. And then on Monday,

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Speaker 1: I'm bummed. So we'll include you on conversations and things

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Speaker 1: that we've experienced. I've experienced. I'll give you one such experience.

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Speaker 1: My first tournament as a player is an electing Tink Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: We played Orge Washington. Shawn Ta Rodgers was their star

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Speaker 1: of my past. So we land in Lexington, were an

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Speaker 1: I never had to play in the final four and

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Speaker 1: one thing I've learned. This is the twenty year anniversary

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Speaker 1: of our Elite Eight run. Did you know they don't

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Speaker 1: have reunions for Elite eight teams? Final four teen? You

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Speaker 1: for an Elite eight team. And all they did win

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Speaker 1: There's a cruel, harsh reality to it. And honestly, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: It's okay people. We're gonna win, People're gonna lose, You're

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Speaker 1: over not having a tournament. Let's get to my brother

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Speaker 1: Greg and talk some tournament memories. Be sure to catch

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Speaker 1: the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at

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Speaker 1: that one right away. Okay, Um, do you remember where

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Speaker 1: so Georgetown Princeton. It was on ESPN and um uh

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00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: was Duke, and it was like the air was kind

428
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: of let out of the room, like we're excited to

429
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: be in but like damn, we're an eight seed and

430
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: we finished second the big twelve, like no way. And

431
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: then Duke was sitting there looming. It wasn't that much

432
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: celebration even though they hadn't been to the tournament the

433
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: two years where I got there. Your first n c

434
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Speaker 1: A selection was do you remember where it was with

435
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Speaker 1: Sydney State where you guys were sitting. We had a

436
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: we had a big room in the athletic department that

437
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: they uh, there's a there's a big area where they

438
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: did all their you know, team functions or anytime we

439
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: had a big athletic department meeting and they had a giant,

440
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: big screen that came down and that they were able

441
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: to kind of play it. And what was really cool

442
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: that we did there at San Diego State. But was

443
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: everybody also and are all of our families were there

444
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: and so you know, the coaches, wives, their kids, everybody

445
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: was there. So we had you know, probably a hundred

446
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: people it seemed like, in the room and and it

447
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: was an incredible moment really, I mean, but it was

448
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: just there's no there's nothing. Everybody wins that day, right,

449
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: for the most part, everybody wins that day. Um and

450
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: so um um. Obviously I remember the anticipation and you know,

451
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: you're just trying to figure out, okay, well who who

452
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: are where are we going to match up? That? Da

453
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: da da. But in that in that moment right there

454
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: for us, the sainting, they remember we wouldn't have went

455
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: to the n s A Tournament had we not won

456
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: the conference tournament, so we probably weren't going to get

457
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: a good seed regardless, we just were happy to be

458
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Speaker 1: in it. Um. And then of course it came up

459
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: that we played University of Illinois in Chicago, which is

460
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: a really good neutral sight game for the NCA tournaments

461
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: thirteen seed two, which is you know, like that's just

462
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: barely in the field, you know, no question. They have Franks,

463
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: Brian Cook, Luther Head and and they hit twenty one

464
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: of thirty three. Three's on you, twenty one of thirty three.

465
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Speaker 1: What the hell were you guys doing? You know, that's

466
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: a great question. We we One of the things that

467
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: was the staple of Steve Fisher's early in his career

468
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: and something that he adjusted to later um at San

469
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: Diego State, was was he was committed to double in

470
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: in the post. And we thought there guys were really

471
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, like you talked about Brian cook Um, they

472
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: had a couple of big kids that we thought we

473
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: had to double in the post, but they said a

474
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 1: career for three. We just kept they kept, we kept doubling.

475
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: They organized a kick out and boom and they shot

476
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: the crap out of it. Obviously, um so um boy

477
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: that that game was over almost before it started in

478
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: that scenario, Um myself, it was. It was thirteen of

479
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: twenty five from three. My my, my mistake. Thirty three

480
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: from the field. Threes is a lot in any game.

481
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean Frank Williams hit five and

482
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Luther Head hit three and Corey Bradford hit three. So

483
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: they're starting backcourt, they're they're kind of and then they

484
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: they brought in, you know, Lucas Johnson had one. Um

485
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: kind of left the wrong guys. But anyway, the starting

486
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: back ahead, I think he had a really low percentage

487
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: going into that game. Had made a whole lot of threes.

488
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: Either he ended up obviously it was a really good shooter,

489
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: but he had he hadn't proven that at that point,

490
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: and he was a freshman, I believe, and yes he

491
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: had shot that year. He shot from three and made,

492
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: you know, and it only made like seventeen during the

493
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: regular season actually after counting that game, so he probably

494
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: was in the mid twenties. Um. You know, if you

495
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: go back and look too, there was a heck of

496
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: a game that came before us. I remember we were

497
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: we part of that too. You know, when you when

498
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: you haven't been at the tournament too, is you know

499
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: all the other things that come with it, you can

500
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: get sidetracked, you know, and then you and then the

501
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: nerves were as well playing in your first game. And

502
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the players just with more than the coaches,

503
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: but sometimes both. Then I remember we had to wait

504
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: a little bit longer to you're waiting because I believe

505
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: crate and upset Florida in the game right before. And

506
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: I want to say it was an overtime game. Double

507
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: double overtime, Yeah, double time. I actually I remember that.

508
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: I remember watching that game in studio. Um, and I

509
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: believe I'm trying to think, Uh, Kyle Cover did not

510
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: hit the big shot. It was Terrell's tail. Tell Terrell

511
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: Taylor had like a career game yet twenty eight points.

512
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: He had a massive a three to hit win the game.

513
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: And I just remember watching Florida coming off the court dejected,

514
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, and they your your teams waiting in the

515
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: hallways to come out, and they're walking back and you're

516
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: like looking, oh my god, this is you know, wow,

517
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: Florida as good as Florida's is and they're they're done,

518
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: and you know, you're just not used to it. But

519
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: I think the more you when you start looking at

520
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: the tournament, people don't realize this maybe from the outside

521
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: looking in, but there's no bad teams in the n

522
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: c A tournament. You know, they're all and and and

523
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: the teams that are even the teams that are in

524
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: because they they got ink from winning the conference tournament,

525
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: they're playing well right now. So, um, you despite the seeding,

526
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: there isn't like when you start preparing for your opponent,

527
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: there's no there's nobody that you're going to say, oh, well,

528
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: we we're gonna beat these guys. I remember the first

529
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: n c A tournament game I called was which Shita

530
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: State against pit and, um, this is you know, this

531
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: is going to two thousand thirteen, right, this is not

532
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Obviously we've covered a ton and I want to get

533
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: back to all your games, but like this is the

534
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: perfect example. Right. So so two thousand and thirteen, Um,

535
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting, you know, getting ready to call the n

536
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: c A tournament and it's uh, it's Pitt who I

537
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: had seen a bunch and they have Steven Adams, right,

538
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and he was only a freshman. And

539
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: they're taking on a team in Whichita State, who I

540
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: had seen win their kind. I don't know, they hadn't

541
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: won their conference tournament, however, So I was trying to

542
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: figure out how good they were. And you know, you

543
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: start talking to coaches and turns out it's Greg Marshall.

544
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: And Greg Marshall I had gotten to know when I

545
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: was at ESPN. He kept winning league championships at Winthrop

546
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: and he couldn't get he at one point in time,

547
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: he took to college at Charleston's job changed his mind,

548
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: went back home, right, Um, and uh, he he couldn't

549
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: get out of there. So we kind of befriended me,

550
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: befriended a couple other people in the media, and so

551
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: I got to know him anyway. So when I you

552
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: don't know who you're who, you're gonna get until the

553
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: Sunday right after the selection show. You Back then, I

554
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: was living in Orange County, working in New York City.

555
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: Go get on a plane, and right before you get

556
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: on the plane, they'd send you a text. You're in

557
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: the Salt Lake region, all right. So you start researching, like, Okay,

558
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: I've I've seen Witchtop play, but I had no idea,

559
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: like zero idea about which to outside of I knew

560
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: they had Malcolm Armstead, who was a transfer, I didn't

561
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: know anything. They had Carl Hall, who had had a

562
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: heart problem, probably shouldn't even playing, right. So I watched

563
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of film and the getting ready to take

564
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: on pit and I realized that, you know, Ron Baker

565
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: had been hurt most of the year. Uh, this Carl

566
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: Hall had been out with a heart problem. Like they're

567
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: a lot better than their record. And then I watched

568
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: Pitt and you watch Pitt practice the only get an

569
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: hour to watch him practice. But you just kind of

570
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: tell in their mojo like they're just not like connected,

571
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, not connected at all. And um, you talked

572
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: to Jamie about any team he's ever had, and you

573
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: know he has this way of paint a picture of

574
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: that really good. But something something's amiss. Anyway, they had

575
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Trayvon woodall who was a senior. I'm like, well, I

576
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: got a senior point guard. Lamar Patterson is their best player.

577
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: So early in the game, Lamar Patterson picked up i

578
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: think two fouls and then he actually they're winning and

579
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: he gets called forward. You remember when the flagor and

580
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: one flagrant two. This is the first year it went in,

581
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: and initially there was no like asterisk basketball move. If

582
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: you hit somebody with your elbow, you were getting a

583
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: flagrant foul. Regardless, he goes and gets an and one,

584
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: lays the basketball in with his right hand, but as

585
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: he went in, his left elbow went back and hit

586
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: a kid in the face. Again, just a basketball move.

587
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: He gets, uh, a flagrant foul. Flagrant one. That's his

588
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: third personal foul. So they wiped the basket off. That's

589
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: two points. They make the two flagrant shots. That's two

590
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: points to four point turnaround, and the best player for

591
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: pit ends up sitting out right. Um. The game became

592
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: a laugher after that, Like which talk kicked the ship

593
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: out of him. Trayvon would always like one for twelves

594
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: terrible game. Um, you know again, Steven Adams was a monster,

595
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: but they almost never threw him the ball. And that

596
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: was like one of the things you could see like

597
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: in practice when they talk about it, like they all

598
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: kind of thought he was a goof and he's too young. Meanwhile,

599
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: like here I am falling in love with cle Anthony Early,

600
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: who's you know who? Dominated and Marl Malcolm Armstead and

601
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: like dude, and Ron Baker didn't play well and they

602
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: went by fifteen going away? Was there a play? Maybe

603
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: not that game was there because I still think maybe

604
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. Like the the very next game when Wichita

605
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: beat Gonzaga, people forget that Gary Bell got hurt in

606
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: that game, barely played and and and Gonzaga was the

607
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: one seed and almost lost to Southern. Southern was tied.

608
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: This is the second game I've called the tournament. It's

609
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: me and Spirodidas and we're in Salt Lake City and

610
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: the Southern band is awesome, Like they sound different. They

611
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: feel that they take over the whole arena. We're like,

612
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: man who gives a ship if they can play? Southern

613
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Band is awesome and the coach is cool. And anyway,

614
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: they're like leading with four minutes and change to go,

615
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: and Spiro and I are like, oh my god, we're

616
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: gonna call the first six one upset. Ever, we can't.

617
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: We're freaking out and Gonzaga survives. Well, Gary Ball got

618
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: hurt at the start of the next game, and which

619
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: times up beating him. They hit a bunch of threes

620
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: and and and they beat him. Was there can you

621
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: think of a moment? And because the only one one

622
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: how many term games you played in I'm gonna say five,

623
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: just toss the top of my head, but that I

624
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: might be around maybe six, but um, but the only

625
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: one we want them so, uh beating Louisville and uh, yes,

626
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: that's two thousand and eight, two thousand nine beat Louisville

627
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: by which was a heck of a win. But like

628
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: the Indiana again, when you when you were Santego State,

629
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: what year did you play in Indiana? That would have

630
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: been two thousand six, two thousand six, and we were

631
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: up ten in the second half was what we thought

632
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: was full control of the game. Was well, yeah, we were,

633
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: we were up one with under a minute to go,

634
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: and uh it may have been less, let you know,

635
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: under thirty seconds. I can't remember off the top of

636
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: my head. But all we had to do is get

637
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: one stop. Uh, we had to get one stop and

638
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: the shot clock was kind of running down, and they

639
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: threw a skip pass from the from the kind of

640
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: wing to the top and arguably our best player, Marcus

641
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: Slaughter Um the boss, and he thought he deflected it

642
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: towards our basket, and the ball kind of just had

643
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: a weird spinning. We stood up in the air and

644
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: kind of went behind him and ended up going right

645
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: back to Um. Really their best shooter. He turned around

646
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: and banged the three. UM and yeah, if if Marcus

647
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: just let's the ball go through and and doesn't go

648
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: for the steel and and it arrives on the catch,

649
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: Robert Baden doesn't get the shot off, UM, and we

650
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: win the game. And we win the game. But UM,

651
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: you know that that was a critical moment. And those

652
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: are the kind of moments you never forget too, No,

653
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: no at all, you don't. You don't don't forget like

654
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: I remember, uh, And I know we're bouncing back in

655
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: time for for people. In our second game, we played

656
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: Duke and it's a hard, hard fought game and Woe

657
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Joe got into it right. They have they have Burgess,

658
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Brandon Battier, they're freshmen. They were a good do team.

659
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: We were. We were much better than our seating um

660
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: and we had um. We had older for for a

661
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: team that had was picked last in the Big Twelve.

662
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean it was a joke that people didn't understand.

663
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: We had Deston Mason, who obviously was a ten year pro.

664
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: And we had Brett Robisch who was a fifth year

665
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: senior transfer of Illinois. Dad was a pro and he

666
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: played a long time overseas. He's stud you know. We

667
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: had Adrian Peterson who was probably the second to Paul Pierce,

668
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: the second best wing in the Big Twelve that year.

669
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Me Joe Atkins, we had, we had, we had a

670
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: really good team. We're tied with two and a half

671
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: minutes to go in Lexington, and I'm coming up to

672
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: court and everybody's on their feet and coach Sutton didn't

673
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: really he didn't really call plays like Sean would call

674
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: the plays. And he's doing something with his arms like

675
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: taking him in and make him out almost like flapping wings,

676
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: and he's yelling, I can't hear what I can't hear

677
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: what he's saying. And my second n C A terment game,

678
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm a little scared of the dude, maybe a little tight,

679
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: So I just call it twenty second time out. Hey, coach,

680
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: I don't know it's your calling. I can't hear. I

681
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: can't hear you. And I had and and honestly I

682
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: had been on them all year, like can't we have

683
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: because one of the things that John McLeod had and

684
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: her name was he would have a hand signal for

685
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: every play, for everything you did, and he would do

686
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: this weird ship where he'd like covered up with his

687
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: jacket like somebody from the stands is watching you, like

688
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: open up his jacket pocket and put it two out

689
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: there as almost like a baseball catcher, start whistling, and

690
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: he gives you signed when you're watching on film, he

691
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: can't pick up to sign. No, I I understand, understand.

692
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: He'd ex down one of my favorite plays. He would

693
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: like do a no looker and crosses index and middle

694
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: index and middle finger and look the other way and

695
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: whistle whistle anyway. So I was on coach and Shan like, hey,

696
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: can we have, Like just tell me what you would

697
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: like otherwise I'm gonna run what I want to run,

698
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: and like no, no, no, no, no no, we want

699
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: we want you to do what we want you to do,

700
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: Like Okay, give me a hand signal because it's loud.

701
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: It's loud, and we never got a hand signal anyway,

702
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: So I call a time out and coach like, I

703
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: was just doing to spread out and you go our

704
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: last time out. I was like, sorry, ship man, I

705
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: couldn't hear you. My bad. Anyway, we come out of

706
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: the time out and we run, uh cowboy fade. Now

707
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: your Michigan State runs the same play Cowboy is. It's

708
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: it's Cowboys series is. It's the old kind of two

709
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: one to hit the guy in the middle. The two

710
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: guards cut the wings. We put the bigs out wide

711
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: and they go dual pin downs. Michigan State runs and

712
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: they always crossed those guys. But the fade, which is

713
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: like a double flare right where the guards cut like

714
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: they're cutting hard towards the basket, and the big guys

715
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: said dueling flair screens and a lot of times you

716
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: get the slip or if they chase over the top,

717
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: you'll get a lop. So they chased over the top

718
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: on Adrian Peterson and I throw it and he catches it.

719
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: He's going towards the basket, and I don't know if

720
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: Rashan McCloud was closing or Batty was claud I can't remember,

721
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: but should he he did not. He should have just

722
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: gone up and dunked it, you know, or try to

723
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: draw contact. And he kinda tried to shoot a floater

724
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: and he missed it. I'm like, oh, ship, like that

725
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: was our that was our moment. Tie game. We fought

726
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: back playing against Duke and he kind of shot a floater.

727
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: They come down, they throw it into Rashan McCloud and

728
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: he just and we were post double and he just

729
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: went too quick. He was too too too good to

730
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: post player for for desimation to guard um. We come down.

731
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: We run another play for Pete and it was kind

732
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: of the same thing. It was called a Russian which

733
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: is just it's like an old inside triangle and uh,

734
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, like I catched on a wing. We put

735
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Atkins in the strong side corner, so there's no Week's

736
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: side help. Peterson's the strong side block. He screens away

737
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: and then comes off a pin down and you know,

738
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: he's a seventeen feet in curling off a pin down.

739
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: He's sucking money and he goes in and out right.

740
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: So like you remember those individual plays more so than

741
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: anything else on how you how you lost the game.

742
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: All right, so let's go to UM, how was Monty

743
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: who had had a ton of tournament experience and Fisher

744
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: who had had a ton of tournament experience. What were

745
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: they liking getting ready for these games? UM? I think

746
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: they both had, like you said, tremendous amount of experience.

747
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean, no one had a no one has a

748
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: better n C A tournament story. And Steve Fisher, right,

749
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: you go from being the assistant who gets named the

750
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: interim head coach and then you win six and win

751
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: the national title. I mean, that's an incredible story that

752
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can. You can't write that. Um,

753
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: if you did, you wouldn't believe it. And then and

754
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: it will never probably happen again. But so that was

755
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: pretty amazing stories. But I think in for him, the

756
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: thing that he was so good was trying to keep

757
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: everybody level headed and be prepared. UM. I think the

758
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: thing with Mike, Mike was just an incredible preparation guy

759
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: in terms of really really doing a thorough job. And

760
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: then and and he was probably more creative defensively, where

761
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: Steve Fisher is more creative offensively. UM. And and um,

762
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, our our first our first actually our first

763
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: n A tournament, uh, that we went to with with

764
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: Mike Montgomery. We lost to Maryland. But the second year

765
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: we played Louisville and they had a really good low

766
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: post guy. I can't remember his name off the top

767
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: of my head, but they were they were really really

768
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: good low post guy. And we decided not only to

769
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: double him, but we had our four man guarden and

770
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: then we doubled with our center and we had a

771
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: seven ft three kids from from China, Max Zang, and

772
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: that was that that really won the game for us.

773
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: We just eliminated them and they weren't they weren't prepared

774
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: for the double because we had doubled all here, and uh,

775
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: we end up beating Louisville by twenty and really that

776
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: was that was Um, that was all Mike right there.

777
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: That was incredible, um, in terms of preparation. But just

778
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: like you said, I think one of the things people

779
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: don't realize a big part of winning in the tournament

780
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: as your seat, you know, and so you get we

781
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: had the same problem you guys had was we were

782
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: we won the conference that year, first time in fifty

783
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: years at Cow but the conference. Uh, reputation was wasn't

784
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: very strong, and so we we got an eight seed.

785
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: I think we were either eight or nine. We played

786
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: Louisville them, and then we had to play Duke, who

787
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: was a one seed and they might have been the

788
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: number one overall seed, but they end up winning the

789
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: national title. For everybody lost to him. And as you know,

790
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: when you play against Duke in the n c A tournament,

791
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: to that there's much of a reputation. As Mike Montgomery had,

792
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to trump, Um, Mike Shashevski and uh, you know,

793
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I think we were like three minutes into the game

794
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: and one of our best players, Patrick Christopher, got he

795
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: got fouled so hard, which they didn't call it, but

796
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: he got knocked out so hard that he had to

797
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: go to the locker room with stitches and there was

798
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: no foul. So, um, you know that was that was

799
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: an interesting game in itself. I remember what you told

800
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: me about that Duke team, and it's funny, um people

801
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: to this day, you know Dukies to this day. Early

802
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: in the season that year, and I remember they Duke

803
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: played in the I think it was the pre season,

804
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: and I t and I was on at halftime with

805
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: Jay Williams and Arizona State was cutting them up, cutting

806
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: them up. Now, they end up coming back to win

807
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: the game, but Arizona State was cutting them up and

808
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: they were running Princeton right, And I said, man, Duke

809
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: looks alarming lye on athletic. Now we it was more

810
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: of a discussion about Mason Plumley, who was a freshman

811
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: and the athleticism he brought to the table. And it's

812
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: interesting to me because what's lost in that discussion is

813
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: about mid season for that Duke team. I think they

814
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: lost to Georgetown like in January, and they completely changed

815
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: their style of defense. They went to a more pack

816
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: line and they also started playing Brian Zubek, who was

817
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: became the best rebounder in college basketball. And so there

818
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: are two things. One something you told me about Kyle Singler.

819
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: You're like, man, I don't know how good Duke is,

820
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: but Taalas Singler is one tough s ob And and

821
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: you know your line, which is a good one, which

822
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: was when your best players, your toughest player, you're gonna

823
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: have yourself a hell of a team. And that was

824
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: that was Duke. But you know what I think that

825
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: was one of those things for me that year. I

826
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: remember that Kyle Singler was one of those guys that

827
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: the was kind of a darling for the With the

828
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: media in general, everybody talked about Kyle Slingler. So you know,

829
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: when you're not paying attention, you're like, well, you know,

830
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: he just gets all that attention because he's a duke, tetera,

831
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: et cetera. But then when you start preparing for him,

832
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: you really and watching close, you really. Um. He earned

833
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of respect and admiration by the way

834
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: he played. I mean, he was tough. They'd post him up,

835
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: he'd come off screens. Everybody's trying to to face guard

836
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: him and keep him from getting the ball, and he

837
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: just would not allow that. You know, I love the

838
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: way he played yet tremendous moxie. But like you said,

839
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: zoo back really was a huge factor. Especially in the

840
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: NCA tournament. He developed into a low post score not

841
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: duke doesn't really traditionally I throw the ball their posts

842
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: that much. They were going to him hard um in

843
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: the NT tournament, and what he was doing a great

844
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: job of was getting the ball deep and the other

845
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: thing they did a phenomenal job on what that team

846
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: was on any of their offensive rebounds, they couldn't get

847
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: the ball if they weren't facing basket. They did a

848
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: great job out for threes and they got that and

849
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: that I had that idea was I mean, they had

850
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: kind of done that something. But that was the Davidson thing.

851
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: Like Davidson, they rememberhen they went to the lead eight,

852
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: they would they call him Daggers and they practiced it

853
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: every day in practice, which was you getting offensive rebound,

854
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: you kick out because it's just you. Nobody tracks shooters.

855
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: And that was one of those they were. If you

856
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: look statistically, that Dude team was the best offensive rebounding

857
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: team the country. Zobec was a great offensive rebounding Even

858
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: when they beat Butler in the National Championship, they only

859
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: hit five threes, but Zubec had six offensive boards in

860
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: that game. Um, but that was the thing. They they

861
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: changed the way they played because Duke had always climbed

862
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: into you defensively, super hard, hedge up in the passing lanes.

863
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: And that team you had John Shire, he wasn't doing that.

864
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: Kyle Singler, he wasn't doing that. Lance Thomas was like

865
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: an energizer bunny bunny, but he was a big, you know,

866
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: zoo back. So they actually were not a crazy athletic

867
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: team in terms of the ranginus of other Duke teams.

868
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: But they found a way to figure it out and

869
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: and played to their strengths. You know what too, I think, um,

870
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: when you're right, I think the other thing that people

871
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: don't recognize as well from the outside looking in. Again,

872
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: we were in eight scene. We went to the tournament

873
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: the year before. We lost in the first round, but

874
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: we didn't have the experience of being in the tournament

875
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: like Duke had. And so again you know we we

876
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: we beat Louisville by twenty. That was a phenomenal moment

877
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: for our program at that time. Whereas, if you're Duke,

878
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: can you win your first round game? All right? And

879
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I let's go get ready for the second game. And

880
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: so and I'm talking about just everybody that your coaches,

881
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: your players, all those guys you know, you're, you're you

882
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: now have to get refocused the as and as it's

883
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: an incredible thing. The further you go to untill be

884
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: playing and other people are are going home or done.

885
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: And then the magnitude of all the media coverage around

886
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: each game only grows and so you know that day

887
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: in between making sure again you've got it. Now, get

888
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: your guys, you've got you've got forty eight hours to

889
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: prepare for opponent that you've never seen before. Really, um,

890
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: now a sudden, it's you know, you you know, it's

891
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: different like when you're playing in your league, you know

892
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: so much about your other team, know how to prepare.

893
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: Some of the main things that you do, you're not

894
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: able to do. Now it's like, all of a sudden,

895
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're almost playing people straight up um in

896
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: in that you you've got a chance, maybe with a

897
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: short prep to take away one or two things, but

898
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: you're not even gonna know what everybody you know what

899
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: they really are trying to do. Um And so that

900
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: makes it really hard to prepare for. But again, the

901
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: experience factor for a team who's been there and expects

902
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: to win really is import So that's that's what makes

903
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: it even more amazing for a team like Wichita State,

904
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: like you said, to win those first couple of games.

905
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: The first time they did it, yeah yeah, and then

906
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: they and then they uh, then they got was in

907
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: drag A sal I think in the sweet sixteen and

908
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: then they played Ohio State and went to the UH

909
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: and they went to the final four. That was that

910
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: was a great bass being turned down. And then what's

911
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: interesting said it like, I mean, how many people, but

912
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: we beat last sal to go to the Elite eight.

913
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, so everyone kind of needs

914
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: so that happened us. Those upsets to happen, you have

915
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: to there have to be a couple of those, right

916
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: were you wed? Yeah, my senior year. So we played Hofstra,

917
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: Speedy Claxton, I got a faltrol. I barely played. It

918
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: was you know, they were he got superstar whistle whatever.

919
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: We smacked them. Jay Rice teamed by like forty um.

920
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: And then we played Pepperdine because Pepperdine that was Bob

921
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: Knight's last game in Indiana. Pepperdine smacked Indiana smacked them.

922
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: And I remember you talking about a team walking to

923
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: jet it off the floor. I remember we we beat UH,

924
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: we beat Hofstra and we did the press thing whatever,

925
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: and then um, we were in the hallway and I

926
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: knew some of those Pepperdine guys and they didn't really

927
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: to go out and they just had this looking and

928
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: I like, we're going to kick the ship out of them,

929
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: and they did. I mean it was like it was

930
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: a it was a no doubter, a no doubter. But

931
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: so we played Pepperdine and you know, they played fast

932
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: and ran like a one three one zone. We just

933
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: carved him up and so we didn't really the first

934
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: two games weren't really that great. And then we played

935
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: Seton Hall um Sheen Halloway got hurt in the second

936
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: round against I think it was uh they beat Temple

937
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: who uh Temple was the two seed. We were the

938
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: three seed, right, so they upset Temple. So we got

939
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: Seton Hall and we got set Hall without their best player.

940
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: And ty Shine had played great against Temple because they

941
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: had no scattering report on him, but we had like

942
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: a week to prepare for him. So and we uh

943
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: we led tip to finish. We won by one, but

944
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: the three that went in the buzz or whatever. This

945
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: is what's interesting about having you talked about veteran team.

946
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: I tweet this out today. We're playing the Sweet sixteen

947
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: and we're playing Seaton Hall and they were switching between

948
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: man and man and playing two in the paint, literally

949
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: playing like instead of a diamond one or triangle two.

950
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: They were not guarding me and one other one other guy,

951
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: and we were at We're at at the free throw line,

952
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, let's run cyclone. The cyclone

953
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: was just ball screen on one side, double backscreen, the

954
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: big guy rolling and then you kind of flipped those

955
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: screens and the last screeners the shooter and he comes

956
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: out kind of the week side and I could throw

957
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: a skip past to him. We had We had not

958
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: run the play the entire season, so even if they

959
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: had scouted it leading up to the Sweet sixteen, it

960
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: was not in our bag. It was from the year before.

961
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: And we run to death. We stole from my day.

962
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: We ran in my sophomore year, in my junior year,

963
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: but like, this is what a veteran team could do.

964
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: Were like, hey, we're gonna run cyclone. I was like, okay,

965
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: We got like three laps off it. We ran the

966
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: same in balanced play against them that we Again, we

967
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: hadn't run all year, but we had on a couple

968
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: of years before, and that was where we got almost

969
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: all of our points. Um, we nearly choked the thing

970
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: away our good free throw shooters missing free throws, but

971
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: still that's the kind of the ability with the veteran

972
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: team and my senior year. We had three fifth years,

973
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: three fifth years, maybe even four, I guess four fifth

974
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: years only ship. We had an old last team, me Glenn, Alexander,

975
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Bryan mottinaughty am I forgetting somebody else? Us three? That's

976
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: three fifth years. And then we had Joe Atkins, a

977
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: fourth year senior, desimation of fourth year senior, somebody of

978
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: Alex Weber or fourth year senior, and then one sophomore,

979
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: Fred john Scenes. We had an old last team and

980
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: we got the benefit. And then we were supposed to

981
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: play duke with Jay Williams as a freshman, I think,

982
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: and they got upset by Florida, and we're like, but

983
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: but here's the crazy part. Um. One of Florida's assistants

984
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: had come to our practices mid year because he had

985
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: played for coach Sutton, and um, what's the guy's name?

986
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: Here is the head coach in Arkansas? Why am I?

987
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: Why am I spacing on his name? He played a

988
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: Kentucky shit less friends, Yes, he'd come to practice, can

989
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: practice and and and here's and look, I think coach

990
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: said is a great coach, but he kind of overthought

991
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: it where We spent the day before working on like

992
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: press breaks, and we took off our secondary break, which

993
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: is what we scored on all of our stuff on

994
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, coach, give me the ball, I'll

995
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: break your press. You don't like you're wasting your time.

996
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: And we got so kind of discombbulated early. They were

997
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: really talented. We got down I think thirteen, came back,

998
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: tied the game, and then they boat raced us. And

999
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: that was my last college game. So does it goes?

1000
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: It goes? All right? Last thing because we get we

1001
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: we we we we gotta wrap Um no n C

1002
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: A tournament this year for you obviously played coaching one

1003
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: in Oregon State, coaching a couple at at Cow, coaching

1004
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: a couple at at San Diego State. UM, give me

1005
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: your favorite see a tournament as a coach memory? Is

1006
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: it the wind over Louisville? Is it? Or something off

1007
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: the court? Go? Well, for first, I'm gonna give you

1008
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: my worst, and then I'm gonna give you my favorite. Sorry,

1009
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm jumping in here because I think this is important

1010
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: for me. But yeah, one year, we we've lost our

1011
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: last two games at Cal where we would have won

1012
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: the league. We finished second. If you recall the first

1013
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: place team Washington didn't go to the n c A

1014
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: tournament was heard of right back, twelfth champion doesn't go

1015
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: to the tournament, and Colorado won the league, so they

1016
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: got they got a bid and we go and meet

1017
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: and like we were talking about the normal euphoria where

1018
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: everybody's in the room, you call your name, and I

1019
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: just always remember this, um as clear as day. But

1020
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: we're all sitting there in there in our room with

1021
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: our whole team, and everybody's getting ready, every you know,

1022
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: hoping our names should be called. We should have been

1023
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: at large and day announcer in our team name in

1024
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: the playing game, and we're playing South Florida in the

1025
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: playing game, and you could have heard a pin drop, uh,

1026
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what that was the precursor to

1027
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: knowing we were just we're not. Our guys were not

1028
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: excited about being in that game. And you know, people

1029
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: always talk about the playing games that you know that

1030
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: those games in Dayton, which by the way, are incredible.

1031
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: Once we got there, I mean it was incredible. Um

1032
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: A dating does a phenomenal job, but that the first

1033
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: fourth thing. A lot of it is determined by your

1034
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: guys mentality similar to when people go to the n

1035
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: I T. And I mean, we just got boat raced

1036
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: by South Florida, which was a good team, and I

1037
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: believe they went I'm not sure they go to the

1038
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen or they losing the round the thirty two,

1039
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: but they won more than one game. But they just

1040
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: they were ready to play. They took it to us,

1041
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: and boy that was that was a ah, miserable experience

1042
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: and appointing I guess probably more than anything. But um,

1043
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I just remember you could have heard a pin drop

1044
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: in that one. Um. If I were to flip that around, definitely,

1045
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: I'd have to say, I'd have to say, um, beating

1046
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: Louisville by twenty, I mean, you know, you're talking about

1047
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: not just winning a tournament game, but a program with

1048
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: with history like Louisville, beating a team that was coached

1049
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: by Rick Pettino, you know, and then beating him soundly

1050
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: in the way we did. It was an incredible moment

1051
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: for US. UM. So that that and then probably really

1052
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: at Oregon State, I think that would You'd have to

1053
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: have to put that right up there. And the thing

1054
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: that was different with the Oregon State was, you know,

1055
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: we had us. I think Northwestern was the only program

1056
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: that hadn't gone to the tournament at that point and

1057
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: we had to the longest drought after Northwestern twenty five

1058
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: years of not going to the n c A tournament

1059
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: and so for US in year two to go to

1060
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: the n c A tournament, Um, it was incredible around

1061
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: here in Corvallis and what we did. And the thing

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Speaker 1: that was really cool I felt like it was that

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Speaker 1: was that we represented all the coaches and players that

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Speaker 1: when we got ourselves into the n c A tournament.

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Speaker 1: That that's the amount of pride that we had as

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Speaker 1: a group and what we felt like we were playing for.

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Speaker 1: And um, we lost the v c U in A

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Speaker 1: in a in a close game. Um, we just couldn't

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Speaker 1: get over the hump. But the amount of pride we

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Speaker 1: had for just even getting there was was incredible, awesome stuff.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining me. You got it. Be

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Speaker 1: sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. All Right,

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Speaker 1: that's it for this edition of All Ball. We'll have more,

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Speaker 1: We'll have more don't forget to listen of The Doug

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Speaker 1: Gottlip Show three to six Eastern twelve three Pacific on

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Speaker 1: streaming or we're going at home now Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: also a podcast version of it, and within that podcast

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Speaker 1: version of it, I got a great interview with Bill self.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna love we. We don't repurpose that on the

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Speaker 1: All Ball podcast. I think there's some legalities with it

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Anyway, download that's really really good. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: sorry you're missing hoops. Thank you so much for downloading.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottli. This is All Ball.