WEBVTT - Fire Drill 001: Tuesday at the Masters with Geoff Ogilvy 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.440 What is it like as a player to after all 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.400 that you've experienced, immersed in gallery and stuff, to walk 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.520 you know that amen corner where they keep everybody off 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.000 to side. Does that actually feel like you're walking into 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.680 like a painting? I don't know if f I feel 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:27.680 that painting, but it is certainly the best ten minutes 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:35.520 of your year as a professional golfile put another log 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:42.640 on the fire know what here is? Give the time? 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:53.240 All right, boys? You know the fire pit obviously, and 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.960 you've been a part of what we've called fire drills. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:04.120 Alan same Michelson wins at the j Championship Michelson's book excerpt. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:09.240 We like instead of doing a five traditional fire pit podcast, 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.920 multiple voices telling one story, we feel like this is 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.280 the great week to launch the official fire drill, which 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.720 around major championships, so daily pods around major championships or 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.400 major news. It gives us the freedom to sort of 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.280 get the same audience and and telling a different aspect 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.120 of of storytelling around the game of golf. So here 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:37.959 we are at Augusta, Georgia covering yet another master's being 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:42.440 a part of yet another master's with Jeff Ogilvie, Allen 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:47.360 Chip nuok and myself. It's fun. Yeah, I love the 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.480 immediacy where we can just jump on a pod when 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.640 something happens. I think it's gonna be it's gonna be 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.640 a fun way to to talk about a lot different 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.600 things with a variety of different hosts and voices and guests, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.200 and it's going to be kind of free flowing and 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.040 you can have a better we guide to the Masters 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.880 in Gusta, Nashville and Jeff Ogilvie, who loves this place, 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.480 and do you want to talk about two thousand eleven 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.160 when you made a spirited run and winning this thing. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.679 But how about the fact that he's just out of 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.359 the country. You're you're moving around, you've been you've been 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.679 going to the island. You know, we've been stuck in 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.120 too and soon off use yeah two use hard to 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.440 like too, Yeah, I mean really stuck. There was a 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.919 couple of times three month periods where we didn't leave 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.519 our house really in uh Melbourne, So that would that 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.480 would being pretty tough on us, but you know, it 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.800 was all in the spirit of saving people's loves and stuff. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.560 So yeah, it's kind of weird to move away from 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.520 the US just expecting I was just gonna pop back 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.240 a few months later and a few months later and 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.600 becoming guy as I play as an officer to been stuck. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.679 The biggest disappointment was you not defending your title at 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.600 the Wishbone Brawl at god Hill Park where last we 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.280 saw you, you aced the ninth toll in a playoff 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.320 to beat Dean Wilson and Andrews Shoffly with your partner 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.440 Chris Riley. Obviously a good opportunity to share some love 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.280 for John Ashworth, link Soul Jeff Cunningham, co creators of 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.640 links Soul, who uh and Ashworth obviously being the caretaker 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.400 go Hill Park, they made a shirt. They told me 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.600 to give this to you. They've made a shirt for 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:25.480 Lee Elder's family and specifically his wife have some financial troubles, 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.040 so Linksoul made a shirt that all proceeds to the 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.960 to the cell selling of this shirt will go to 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:38.440 Lee Elder's family. So he played in his first Masters 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.520 in anyway, this is a shirt for you from from 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.680 John Ashworth and Jeff Cunningham. And for those who are 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.000 listening and can't see this, that is it's got like 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.880 some boss like nineteen seventies, like graphics you've got you 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.000 got Lee and Green and that's pretty sweet. I'm gonna 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.640 have to nag one of those. That's the part he 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.200 made to get into the Masters, really forcing their hand 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.480 because a tournament went would then be exempt into the Masters. 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.960 So I recognize that it's beautiful. You know, this is 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.640 what links Soul does and it's one of the things 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.760 they do best, which is creating, you know, creating apparel 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.840 for a cause, like they're doing for Ukraine, like they 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.640 did for throughout the pandemic, and now what they're doing 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:24.599 for Lee Elder. So I forgot Hill and for the 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:28.760 Junior Caddy Academy and raised a hundred fifty dollars this 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.040 year at the Wishbone Brawl for North County Junior Golf. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:36.279 So much love to John Ashworth, Linksoul, Jeff Cunningham and 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.040 everything that they do. And they're big sponsor of everything 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.560 we do at the fire Pits. So thanks to them. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.400 I love it. All. Right, let's talk about the good 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.120 stuff here, which is the Masters. So let's just jump 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.800 right in two thousand eleven because I think that's one 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.160 of the most underrated Masters ever. Um let's just set 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.440 the stage here. It's at a different point on Sunday, 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.640 eight guys had a share of the lead or the 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.800 outright lead, and Tiger starts off the Sunday going out 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:07.320 in thirty and sets augusta National on fire. Get himself 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:11.440 back in contention. Schwartzel hits one of the all time 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.880 greatest shots of Master's history, that sort of bumping run 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.440 from way short and right of the green stars out 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.760 for Eagle, goes number three, no for Bertie, and the 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.719 number three holes out for Eagle. So he flies up 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.120 the leaderboard. The guy sitting with us here, Bertie's five 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.880 in a row on the back nine to snag a 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.160 piece of the lead. Like, just take us through that 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.839 that whole day from your perspective, just the roars and 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.760 the feeling of getting yourself in the mix. Yeah, well, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.760 I mean that was I don't know, six or seven 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:43.400 masters infamy, and I hadn't had the rules that I 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.960 all talked about. Really, you know, you get the odd 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.120 one here or there. But that day I'll play with Freddie. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.000 I can only tell it from my perspective. I didn't 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.720 say Shorts were doing all his thing, and I didn't 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.039 say all the rest of his stuff, But I was 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.040 playing with Freddie on Sunday at the Masters, which is 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.160 the best drawing golf front, like, it doesn't get any 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.760 better than that. Sort of four or five groups before 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.320 the and maybe Tiger was in front of us, and 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.520 Tigers set the whole day up from our perspective, because 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.920 he's a group in front of us. He was I 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:15.000 think four under after six or seven and then eight eight. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.479 You can see for anyone who's never been there, you 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.760 can see from the eighth too, or the seventh grain 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.080 and the eighth t. You have the look all the 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:22.800 way out the eighth and as we were going from 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.440 the seventh grad of the eighth t, we see Tiger 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.240 hit his second shot and you can see him at 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.279 this big hook around the corner on eight and it 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.039 just goes quiet and then all of a sudd it 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.359 feels like two minutes later you hear the row because 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.559 the ball takes so long from it lands and rolls 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:36.920 are well on the right edge of the green, went 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.560 down to like this right like I went down like 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.520 four ft or something um and you just heard it 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.359 getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.239 And you knew walking to the eighth t Tigers about 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:46.839 to make eagle on eight, you can just tell. And 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.359 that's the first time on this course I'd ever noticed 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.919 that you could tell what score wasn't only that someone's 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.680 done Tiger has done something good. You knew it was 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.640 a three, not a four, just by the way it sounded. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.440 And he makes eagle on eight, and you hear the 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.039 cheer up at the roar up at the green. But 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.560 then you hear the rules, the subsequent rules around the 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.360 course as they put the numbers up on the leaderboard. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.200 So you hear the one on eighteen that goes nuts, 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:13.520 and then you hear the one down at eleven and 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.920 twelve and goes nuts, and then you hear the one 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.679 at sixteen. You can hear this sequence of rules across 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.960 the course. It's just outrageous. It's just like, now I 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.160 know what they're talking about. This is special um. And 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.040 I don't think I was playing that particularly well at 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:31.040 this point. I can't really remember. UM sort of struggling 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.200 away and I was kind of out of it. And 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:36.360 I got to twelve, I think, and I was no 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.720 chance going to win this tournament, Like there's just no way, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.200 Like I was. There was lots of people Tiger. I 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.600 think three part at eleven or twelve didn't um, so 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.000 he kind of went away, and Charles was up there, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.559 and I think Jason was up and about, Scotty was around, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.880 Locdonald was around, Bob and Pelt was around. I mean, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.520 there was names everywhere. And I birdied twelve, which is 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:01.480 a bonus um and I can't really remember thirteen and fourteen, 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.760 but I know a birdie them both. And then fifteen 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.080 I had to lay up. I drove it left, which 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:10.160 was my tendency on fifteen. Unfortunately on I pull it 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:11.920 behind those trees like you see a lot of guys do. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.000 It's pretty easy to do because the right trees you've 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.760 got no chance. Left sometimes you've got a chance. Anyway, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.400 I had to lay it up, which is a nightmare, 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:19.720 but it had a really great wedge to like ten 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.440 feet mate Bertie. And then so I'm now one back 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.480 walking to and now I'm now I'm actually in it, 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:29.040 I feel like. And then playing with Freddie, we both 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.760 hit that shot on the famous holder. I have to 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.520 stop you because there's that Janet scoreboard by green, so 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.440 there's no doubt where you stay in the tournament. So 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.280 when when you make that Birdie pot fifteen. What is 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.120 the adrenaline series? Like, holy shit, I might win the Masters? 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.400 Like what does that feel? Like? It was less? It's 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.720 less I might win than I'm in this now, like 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.920 this is what I do? Like this is My whole 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.520 life is to have a chance. You know, the winning 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:58.680 to me is a byproduct of other things. I think 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.440 the goal for me always is just getting the mix, 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:09.040 because that's the fun part. One back or something on 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.960 Sunday the Masters. That's that's the reason I play. Like 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.559 that moment, you know, it's less about the win at 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.880 that moment that this is this is it, I'm here, 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.800 This is the moment. You know, I've had moments and 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.880 other tournaments, but this was at the moment, my first 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.360 real moment in this tournament. Um, it's just a good feeling. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.199 And again I keep referencing Freddy, but when you play 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.760 with Freddie at the Masters, you get a standing ovation 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.240 onto every tea and every grain. You don't, but you're 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.080 witnessed to it because Freddy's getting it everywhere. And it's 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.920 just they love him. You can't. A crowd cannot love 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.320 a person more than Augusta loves fred Couples, I mean, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.640 he is their man um And so the whole walk 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.959 from the righthand side of the fifth grain all the 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.760 way down to the six teh tea, subsequently hitting the 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.719 sixteenth tea shot and then getting to the sevente tea, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.480 nobody sat down. Did not feel like anyway, they just 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.320 not started just stop you a little bit to hit 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.840 your shot. I had a really good shot up on 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.520 the tier, rolls down stiff, you know, the one that 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.200 you think is going to go in from the tea. 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.000 They all they're all standing up on the edge and 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.440 they're all going nuts at the green. And then he 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.520 does the same thing on top of me. So we're 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.880 both three ft on sixteen those birdies happening everywhere. There's 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.920 there's all sorts of names on the letter board, and 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:22.880 they did not sit down and stop cheering until we 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:27.480 got to It was nuts. It was absolutely crazy, incredible feeling. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.840 I remember, I mean, your shot came really close to 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.120 going in. And remember he telling me once like watching 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.800 it trickle down there, you're like, if this goes in, 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.040 I'm going to win the master. Like like this is 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.760 an agonizing, like slow little trickle, like just like you 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.440 almost don't want it to go in because you don't. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.080 You don't want to be lucky. You want it to 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:45.840 be good so much. That's a good shot if it's closed, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:50.360 it's lucky if it goes in right. Um, No, your 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.600 whole life, you've wanted to hit that shot, Like you 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.199 get that chance every year when you get to play 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.920 the Master. You get the chance to hit that shot right. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.200 The lands right and it rolls down and it might 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.920 go in. And um, it's actually a pretty easy pin 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.880 outside of the Masters. That pin, I mean, anywhere thirty 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.000 right at the pin with any sort of right distance 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.280 seems to end up next to the hole. But to 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.240 actually hit the shot that you've seen so many people 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.240 hit over the years. And actually as soon as I 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.480 hit it, I knew it was good, Like as soon 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.120 as I take five and go to Hill Park, I 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.120 could totally relate, except for it's Hill Park, And yeah, 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.080 just that unbelievable just to be in the mix and 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.000 there's rules everywhere. At this point, people are making birdies everywhere. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.720 And at that point when I got to the seventh 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.240 there was five five of us tied for the lead. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.040 Um and as I said, we're about four flast group. 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.480 I think maybe fifth, last group fourth because a lot 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.360 of people in the mix and I can't remember w 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.720 Schwartz wasn't the last group, right, I think? Yeah, so 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.720 he was leading going in him and he would j 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:57.800 who played well at the mast, Yeah, yeah, And I 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:59.959 parted the last two holes, hit at the front bunk 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.960 on seventeen, which is kind of not the worst place 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:06.120 to hit it up and down part eighteen, and ended 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.640 up losing by four, which didn't feel like it when 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:09.839 I was going up the last I think I was 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:11.240 now one back when I was going up the last 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.760 Birdie he would be great, but part you never know, right, 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:15.840 And the group behind me looked. Donald chipped in to 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.560 finish on the same score as us, and we thought, well, 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.400 this is all right, like hanger it don't leave the 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.840 clubhouse sort of thing, very quickly erased by Adam Birdie 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.719 fifteen and sixteen behind us to go to in front 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.400 of us, and he wasn't going to drop two shots. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.120 But Scotty, he's the most hard done by that week 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.000 because he was too in front on the seventeenth t 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.000 on Sunday, part the last two holes and lost by 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.800 two shorts on Birdie to lash four four, which is 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.360 just that doesn't happen, right, It just doesn't happen. I 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.160 meant sixteen, yes, but seventeen is a tough hole. And 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.440 we've seen birdies on eighteen, but not after the three 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.000 birdies previous. At seventeen he drove into the rough and 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.920 had to bend one around a tree limb. Is probably 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.720 the best shot of the day, even even though he 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.200 he jarred two others to get there. But an incredible shot. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:12:59.960 Some days of your day, it was clearly his day 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.400 all day. Or if you actually look back at what 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:02.920 happened to Charlotte day, I was like, well, it's just 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.240 it was his turn, right. If you think back to 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:10.720 your whole your master's career, is that the one that 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.200 you replay the most, or or is you don't even 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.720 play that game? You don't. I don't play that game, 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.520 not really. I've always had a good time here. I'd 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.720 love to play it again. Um never missed the cut, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.920 always sort of played all right. It's the sort of 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:31.480 thing that just I needed stuff to be this big 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.480 two engaged fully properly. I think now that I look back, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.120 like when you play thirty tournaments a year, not taking 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:40.760 it away from any other tournament when you When I 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.840 was young, I could get into it didn't matter. I 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.360 could get into, didn't matter how small the tournament was. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:46.760 But when you do it thirty times a year, you 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.840 can you're always looking. When you start getting in the 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.960 majors and stuff, you just start looking towards the majors 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.560 and the big tournaments. So actually get a like to 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.280 be fully engaged. It sounds funny that you wouldn't get 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.120 engaged on Thursday at Torry Pines or wherever, but it's 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:06.360 different when your whole mondset is about winning tonements like this. 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.199 So when you're at Tonam was like this, you're you're 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.880 fully there, whereas when you're the last wake at San Antonio, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.559 something's you're thinking about here when you're there, so you're 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.080 not fully fully engaged. You know. I also think that 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.320 having you and I buzzed around Melbourne and played, you know, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.720 however many courses we played in so many days, but 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.960 there has to be something to the fact that when 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.360 you go I remember asking Tom Dope where would be 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.600 the one place you'd take like a buddy strip and 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.160 he said Melbourne, And I was like, really in Melbourne 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.240 And then having been there and seeing the quality of 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.960 golf and the architecture and the strategy to almost every 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.920 shot you're hitting. Was there something to the fact that 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.960 you grew up around this, around this level of of 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.480 venue and shot making and strategy. Did it take certain 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.880 venues here to actually pique your interest an architectural and 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.600 strategic standpoint or a little bit fall asleep sometimes out 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.840 there for the generic US architecture from time to time, 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.200 it's less about the architecture more about the set up. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:15.160 I think. I think you can have great courses set 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.040 up boring, you know, and you can have average courses 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.160 set up really fun, you know. But as far as 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.520 Royal Melbourne when I grew up next door to Role Melbourne, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.760 I currently live right right like literally next door to 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.520 Roll Melbourne. That if any greens in the world that 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.960 you would go to to get ready for this, I'd 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.480 go there, you know. I mean, it's not practical. It's 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.240 twenty hours in a plane away and um, the seasons 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.320 are different and all that, But like it's the shots 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.160 that you that I grew up watching golf tournaments at 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.600 as a kid at Royal Melbourne. There was a tournament 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.000 there every year when I was a kid, like everybody 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.480 came Jack, Greg, Freddie, Paint Stewart, everybody played in Australia 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.920 in those days, it was Watson. It was I grew 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.200 up watching parts at least in short game shots and 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.160 shots and the grinds that people play here. You know that. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.680 To me it was professional golf. And I think if 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:12.280 the architecture side of thing, the lack of engagement hit 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.880 me a little bit. It's just because it's you, you narrow. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.880 Professional golf, unfortunately, sometimes comes down to who drives at 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.840 the longest and stratus and who puts the best you 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.800 know whereas you when you get places to like this 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.280 and the old course, Marian and Riverea does it every 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.160 year and even like w of course is like Cappe Louer. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.240 To be honest, they do it like it's not what 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.400 everyone would necessarily think is like maybe it looks like 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.000 a resort, It isn't. Cappelua gets you to like tons 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.240 of geometry, yea, and use the slope and don't fight 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.600 the land, use the land, and like use your where 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.080 are my best approaching? When the fairways a hundred yards wide, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:47.680 you have to decide where the best place to come 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.800 in from and stuff and I think when it's like that, 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.280 I engaged more. But generally I think it was it's 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.720 set up. If it's firm, the pins are interesting, you know. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.840 I think I got into it. It was more just 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.120 the occasion, I think, more than anything else, if that 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.280 makes sense. So you said you'd like to play the 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.199 Masters again, Maybe we should just pause a little bit 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.360 for the listeners and recognize, like Jeff is become part 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.520 of the the fire Prey collective and you're thinking about maybe 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.280 more macro role in the game than than just playing. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.119 But for the people at home, where are you in 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.399 your career? What what is the depth of your ambitions? 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.680 What would you like to accomplish, Like, let's just get 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:26.480 that out of the way, real quick, real quick. Look, 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.600 I don't really know. It's a moving target. When I 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.679 moved back to Australia a few years ago, needing a 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.240 bit of a gap year because I was just over it, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.080 um a little bit, spend a bit of time with 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.600 the kids, trave a little bit less, let them sort 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.199 of suck up Australia a little bit, um, all that 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:45.760 sort of stuff. And then COVID came alot and I 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.800 was planning on just playing a few, you know, doing 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.080 a few things on this absolutely, um So I've never 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.560 hated this sort of things like a lot of my peers. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:18:00.359 But uh, I still think of myself as a golfer, 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:07.439 you know, but knowing that I've scratched my itch, you know, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.040 like I don't need to scratch it anymore, Like I'm 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.960 a golfer. So that's kind of what I would my 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:17.600 comfort zone is playing a golf tournament, um but understanding 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.840 that it's there, it's not all the dream your life 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.439 it looks, especially when you've got kids in family and 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.920 it's nice to be home and a golf tournament isn't 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.720 You don't go away for the weekend, and people tune 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:30.479 on t vs and again, we've been there since Monday, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.760 you know, and then we leave on Sunday. We go 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.760 somewhere else from Monday to Sunday, and then we leave it. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.520 We go somewhere else from Monday. Say, it's like it's 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.160 quite a long sort of a lot of time away 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.440 from home, and I'm not there at the moment. So 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.200 I'll still think I'll play wherever I can and fit 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.520 it in. But I've done being a full time golfer, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.720 So I like this sort of things. We're building golf 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:56.760 courses now, um men, Michael Cockey and actually made sort 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.760 of I'm really learning from them their twenty years into 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.920 this sort of business. I mean sort of about ten 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:07.480 years and um sort of really hitting their hitting their 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.520 stride or we're hitting our stride and seat of getting 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.480 some nice properties to work with and doing all that 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.760 and that's really exciting. And this sort of things five 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:18.199 pit and getting to talk the rubbish that's always been 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.600 in my head, the game. I think it's just I 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.240 think it's really interesting and I could talk about golf indefinitely. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.840 Um one man's rubbish is another man's treasure, and that's 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:33.520 what we'll make that a shure. Jeff's rubbish is our treasure. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.480 You're I mean, you look like you're in great shape. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.879 The talent is not drained out of your body. But 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:40.879 to get back to the masters or to to have 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.840 another run, does it just come down to the commitment, 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.080 like do you want to pay that price to really 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.320 get your game rasor sharp? Like? Is that I'd love 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.240 to pay that price, That's all And as I kind 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.199 of I would I would hint at to everybody, and 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.639 it's not hard it's not hard work for me. Like 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.639 that's comfort zone for me is getting up in the 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.000 morning with a mission, you know, with golf. I think 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:05.159 that's to be honest, I've always found that relatively easy 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.879 because you want it. You know. It's better than getting 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.600 in the car and driving to the office every day. 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.520 My office is the golf course. That's a good office. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:20.159 But life gets progressively more complicated. Um, and there's and 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:24.080