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Speaker 1: All right, boys? You know the fire pit obviously, and

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Speaker 1: Alan same Michelson wins at the j Championship Michelson's book excerpt.

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Speaker 1: We like instead of doing a five traditional fire pit podcast,

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Speaker 1: we are at Augusta, Georgia covering yet another master's being

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Speaker 1: Chip nuok and myself. It's fun. Yeah, I love the

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Speaker 1: The biggest disappointment was you not defending your title at

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Speaker 1: the Wishbone Brawl at god Hill Park where last we

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Speaker 1: Chris Riley. Obviously a good opportunity to share some love

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Speaker 1: for John Ashworth, link Soul Jeff Cunningham, co creators of

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Speaker 1: Lee Elder's family and specifically his wife have some financial troubles,

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Speaker 1: to to a golf and what makes it to a

430
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Speaker 1: golfer and what really what skill sets are really sort

431
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Speaker 1: of valued out there and are important and which ones aren't.

432
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Speaker 1: And it's fun to play with them and sort of

433
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Speaker 1: have them pepper us with questions about to a life

434
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Speaker 1: and management and where should I play and do we

435
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Speaker 1: go to do I go to the West Coast to

436
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Speaker 1: the east coast of the US, or should I go

437
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: to Europe first? Or what do you think about Japan?

438
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: And like what am I going to expect? And all

439
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: that's of stuff. And I find that stuff really fun,

440
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Speaker 1: especially playing with young enthusiast playing with enthusiasm. The enthusiasm

441
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: is a rare commodity on guys who have been on

442
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Speaker 1: tour for twenty years. As you guys have come across,

443
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, like the youngsters, I mean, they're bouncing off

444
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Speaker 1: the walls, right, and they're just excited about everything. So

445
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: we get jaded about not getting three new drivers a

446
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Speaker 1: month as opposed to only two or something, you know

447
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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like they're like frossing on the idea.

448
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: They get provate ones on the range, you know, like,

449
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: and that's just exciting to be around. So being around

450
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Speaker 1: those guys, I'm playing with them is fun too. So

451
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Speaker 1: I really have no I'm just doing today and we'll

452
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Speaker 1: see what happens tomorrow, you know, Okay, we should That

453
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Speaker 1: was a necessary day version. Now let's get back to

454
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Speaker 1: let's get back to the master. So, um, you know

455
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Speaker 1: you do have that discerning eye for architecture. You're out

456
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Speaker 1: there at the course today on Tuesday. Um, do you

457
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Speaker 1: think of the changes, and that's particularly the tree the

458
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Speaker 1: middle of fairway at eleven, Well, it's it's it's in

459
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Speaker 1: the middle of the fairway, but it's there's now three

460
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Speaker 1: trees where there were fifty trees. It's definitely an improvement,

461
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: but it's a net positive. But that that tree looks

462
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Speaker 1: really weird to be added to my eye. I don't know.

463
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm down with it. I don't know. Look,

464
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Speaker 1: I think they have their challenges clearly with what's happened

465
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Speaker 1: to how far people have hit it in the last

466
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Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years, you know, And they're really always

467
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Speaker 1: seemed to be intent on just retaining the sort of

468
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Speaker 1: same sword of clubs and shots that have always that

469
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Speaker 1: Jones and Mackenzie wanted us to hit in here, you know.

470
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Speaker 1: And eleven there's been one that they've had a few

471
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Speaker 1: cracks out in the last twenty years, you know, like

472
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Speaker 1: it's the one. It seems to be the one that

473
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Speaker 1: they want to get right, you know. And I think

474
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Speaker 1: when they first narrowed it, it was too narrow, and

475
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Speaker 1: they without telling anyone, sort of progressively wandered over the

476
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Speaker 1: years anyway. I don't know if you've noticed that, but

477
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Speaker 1: the very first year it was really narrow on the

478
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Speaker 1: fairways way to the left, and the fairway got a

479
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Speaker 1: little bit further and further to the right. It's a

480
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Speaker 1: better hole when you let people miss their drive to

481
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Speaker 1: the right because the second shot is so interesting from

482
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Speaker 1: the right because of that big lump before the green.

483
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Speaker 1: You can't run it up from the right because you

484
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Speaker 1: run up from the right, you're either gonna be on

485
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Speaker 1: the twelve d or you're gonna be in the water.

486
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Speaker 1: But you can't run it onto the green from the

487
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Speaker 1: right hand side. So I think allowing people to miss

488
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Speaker 1: it and before we hit it in the right trees

489
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Speaker 1: and you just chip it out. Now people are getting

490
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Speaker 1: in the right trees. I know, heideki and filling that

491
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Speaker 1: of a tiger of escaped trouble over there. But they

492
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Speaker 1: were kind of fortunate for the last couple of years

493
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Speaker 1: they were fortunately they were so far right. But now

494
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Speaker 1: people are going to be under those trees, that tree

495
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Speaker 1: that you don't like, they're going to try to go

496
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Speaker 1: for it, which is fraught with all sorts of danger,

497
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Speaker 1: you know, and it's asking questions that they want recovery

498
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Speaker 1: shots out here, and I think when they allow recovery shots,

499
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Speaker 1: the courses at its best, you know. And I think

500
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Speaker 1: eleven time will tell. I think fifteens are bigger chant.

501
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Speaker 1: I think fifteen could completely profoundly change the tournament if

502
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Speaker 1: the t Yeah, because twenty is a lot on that

503
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Speaker 1: whole because it feels hill too. Now the drive you

504
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: further down the hill a little bit, um, it's not

505
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Speaker 1: the whole you want to have to thirty two forty

506
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Speaker 1: and two because you have to go for it right.

507
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Speaker 1: And we always see and everyone talks about yeah, but

508
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Speaker 1: guys have been hitting six and seven ones in here,

509
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Speaker 1: but they have on Sunday when the weather is right,

510
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Speaker 1: likes further back, if it's slight, gets into the wind,

511
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit soft like it might be if

512
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Speaker 1: you get the whole field laying up. I think they've

513
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Speaker 1: got that wrong because I think it'll be a bit

514
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Speaker 1: boring if everybody lays it up. And isn't that But

515
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Speaker 1: isn't that again? The tiger proofing actually ended up plate

516
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Speaker 1: into the hands of longer by making that a longer hold.

517
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Speaker 1: Doesn't that actually benefit the longer hitters? Always? Always? I

518
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Speaker 1: mean it always this is my new thing. It's like

519
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Speaker 1: adding length is not the answer to a distance issue.

520
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Speaker 1: I should take length away exactly, Like it just seems

521
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Speaker 1: like going in the wrong direction. I don't this is

522
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Speaker 1: it's bothering me. Like the longer hitters are gonna love

523
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: the fact that fifteen plays twenty yards on it because

524
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Speaker 1: now the shorter guys are forced to lay up and

525
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Speaker 1: the long guys can actually still go for it. But

526
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Speaker 1: when the long guys go for it, it it will be

527
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Speaker 1: a more dangerous shot. I mean they were hitting eight irons,

528
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Speaker 1: and you know, Sergio hit an eight iron and fifteen

529
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Speaker 1: with the masters on the line. As you know, you're

530
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Speaker 1: not gonna hit an iron perfect every time. But it

531
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Speaker 1: kind of takes the water out of play, like he's

532
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Speaker 1: going to get the yards more or less right. But

533
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Speaker 1: like when when Jennifer cup Too won the Analyst, she

534
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Speaker 1: hit a hybrid in and there was a dangerous shot

535
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Speaker 1: she had lost the tournament. Like I think, if you

536
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Speaker 1: get guys having to hit four or five irons, that's exciting,

537
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: but they will I mean twenty yards of again. People

538
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Speaker 1: will say Sunday often and I think, oh, everyone's hitting

539
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Speaker 1: idon and here I assure you the year that surge

540
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Speaker 1: id on in on Sunday, half of the field had

541
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Speaker 1: to lie it out that way because they didn't drive

542
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Speaker 1: a fire enough, you know, Like it's not like the

543
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Speaker 1: whole field hits idon In, you know, and he's feeling

544
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Speaker 1: and a Sunday and the weather was a I think, look,

545
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Speaker 1: they'll get it right. They never get it wrong ever.

546
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Speaker 1: And if they've got the weather and they know to

547
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Speaker 1: the yard how much the ball is going to run

548
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: on the fairway by Sunday, they'll have the tea. But

549
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: they'll make it. It'll work, it'll be perfect, you know.

550
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Speaker 1: I think that's Eleven's always been tough. It's always going

551
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Speaker 1: to be tough. It's just made a tougher hole. Maybe

552
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: slightly tougher, you know, but almost easier off to a

553
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Speaker 1: little bit in a way. You know, fifteen is a

554
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: profound change. If it gets into the wind and the

555
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: whole field one day has to lay up and they

556
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Speaker 1: all have that wed shot. I mean some guys have

557
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Speaker 1: probably have been Dustin's probably hasn't had that wed shot

558
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Speaker 1: that much, you know, Rory, like they've always gone for

559
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: the grain. Will be interesting because it's the hardest wed

560
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: shot in golf by a long stretch and that's kind

561
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Speaker 1: of fun. Actually, I would love to see that. That's

562
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: that's stressful for those guys, really stressful, But it's a

563
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: good point. They don't have to use they don't have

564
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Speaker 1: to tip it out. I mean they could, they could,

565
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: they could play with it. So a couple of days

566
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: it's it's a ballbuster, and a couple of days they

567
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Speaker 1: moved up yards and tast twenty yards long, so it

568
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Speaker 1: will be the same as what the front of the

569
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Speaker 1: tea is probably where the back of the album was.

570
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I've always loved when Live From has Cranshaw

571
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Speaker 1: on and he kind of takes them, takes them through

572
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Speaker 1: the golf course and he goes hold by home. I'm

573
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Speaker 1: not saying that you have to go hold by hold,

574
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: but I'd be interested in just sort of as you

575
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Speaker 1: almost like Mike Kaiser does when he when he assesses

576
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: a golf course, he kind of gives it a one

577
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: through ten rating per hole and then he tries to

578
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Speaker 1: see how many you know, where it stacks up in

579
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Speaker 1: terms of how he rates it. Can you just kind

580
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Speaker 1: of breathe through the golf course and just give us

581
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Speaker 1: your sense of hole by whole. What you what you

582
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Speaker 1: kind of think of the whole as it relates to

583
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Speaker 1: sort of the greater good of architecture. Yeah, I mean,

584
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Speaker 1: look one is underrated. That's it's one of the tougher

585
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: holes on the course. I would tell you, um, it

586
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Speaker 1: would be less tough. I guess if it wasn't the

587
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: first hole. Um, but it's a tough hole. I mean

588
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: it's longer than people think from back at the Master's tall.

589
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: You've got to hit a decently solid one to get

590
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: it up on the flat, and you've got sort of

591
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: severn right onto the hardest grain on the course, arguably

592
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Speaker 1: the first, because there's no bailout on the first. You

593
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: can't if you left left to the green or longer

594
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: the green, you're gonna you're gone. You can't get it

595
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: up and down. It's almost impossible to get down over

596
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: the back. Is actually hard to get chips out on

597
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: the green. Right's really the miss. But you don't really

598
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: want to try to miss the first one on purpose,

599
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, Um, no real bail from halfway up the green,

600
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of times the ball will come off

601
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: the green, so you can't just try to hit it

602
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: five on the front and like having up your part

603
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: because it'll come off. So it's a hole that gets

604
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: you defensive from the start. It reminds me of the ocean,

605
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: that green like that you always like see the ripples

606
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: of the waves. Yeah, and an architecturally makes perfect sense.

607
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: The bunkers on the inside of the dog leg. You

608
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: can drive it close to the bunker. You get your

609
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: angle to the front left pin in the minute. It

610
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: doesn't really in reality play like that. You're just trying

611
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: to hit the fairway and hit the green. But it

612
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: ticks the box, right, It makes sense to what would

613
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Speaker 1: you rate number one if you had to give it

614
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Speaker 1: a one through ten as a first hole? But what

615
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Speaker 1: on on scale of one to ten of just being good? Yeah,

616
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: what you would consider an amazing a turkey? Well if

617
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: thirteens of ten um it's just seven or eight or something,

618
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: it's a good hole. Like you'd be happy if that

619
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Speaker 1: was your first time in any course. Right, Yeah, we've

620
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: got a seven point five. And whoever built that grain

621
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Speaker 1: and design that Graham, I mean, like you'd be proud

622
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: of that grain, you know. I think it wasn't two

623
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: is a cool hole. It was a weird t shot.

624
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: Two breaks the traditional rule of having the trouble on

625
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: the inside of the dog leg like challenges you on

626
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: the outside the dog like that. But it makes sense

627
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: because you want to drive it right, because you get

628
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: the angle to the green um odd t shot two

629
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: UM and got longer and longer and longer um as

630
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: the years went on that I played it like when

631
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Speaker 1: I was a kid. I mean when in ninety seven

632
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: target like eight on or something into two right, something

633
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: crazy like on something or something like that. I've never

634
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: kind of even never imagined. I've never had less than

635
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: like maybe two on UM. Two is an unbelievable grain.

636
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: Like the whole course is about grains really to be

637
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: fair um grains and slope. They used slope very well.

638
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'd write two twos and umber

639
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: it again. I would have been very happy to come

640
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: up with two. It's a very interesting second shot. There's

641
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: zero rough, nothing to worry about in the second shot whatsoever.

642
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: Yet you have to get really sort of fun because

643
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Speaker 1: if you have to miss the ball right of the

644
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: pin generally because the whole thing is back left or

645
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: front right, that grain and if you're anywhere sort of

646
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: right of the pin, as you play the whole you've

647
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: got a chance to get up and down and stop it.

648
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: That screen reminds me, what is the first part five?

649
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: Unreal Melbourne West? Is that four four West? Yeah? That green?

650
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: That was my favorite shot on that course going into

651
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: that green, and it's just kind of reminds me of too,

652
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: the way it's banked and sloped and you can you

653
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: can you can play about seven different shots to get

654
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: to the flag and the super fun shots around green

655
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: that front that that Sunday ish pin they've been using

656
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: for the last ten years or so. That's a fun

657
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: pin to pitch out because you can kind of hit

658
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: it up the middle of the green and get it

659
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: next to that and even long shots can come up

660
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: and roll up that rule, up that that slope. Yeah,

661
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a new I don't know where

662
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: I rate two. It's a great part five though, like

663
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: and it shows you you don't you stick at a

664
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: hundred yard wide fairway. There is really no trouble around

665
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: the green. A couple of bunkers, but it'll drive you nuts.

666
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: And there's a three or a seven there or even

667
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: more if you drive it left, and you drive it

668
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: left is a little creek down the bottom of the

669
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: hill and the flowers and stuff. You don't want to

670
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: hit it down there. We'll give it an eight. Now

671
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: we can always come back and change a little bit.

672
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Fun further review, third hole three is a cool hole three.

673
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: It's got better now. I think the guys that driver

674
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: almost you know, because when for the first few years

675
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: I played, everybody just hit sort of the two or

676
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: three on up level with the bunkers and wedge it

677
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: on um. And the only time we would hit driver

678
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: early days was when that pin was in that tucked

679
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: back right bit, you know, because it was kind of

680
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: good to be down close to the grain. You could

681
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: sort of run it up to the pin. Incredibly hard grain.

682
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Awkward hole second shot, it goes away from you that

683
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: that left hand side of the grain. It's almost impossible

684
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: to get a wedge on the grain on that left

685
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: hand side, you know. Awkward, uncomfortable feeling hall to play. Yeah. Again,

686
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not good with ratings, but there's

687
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: been a short path forwards in the world than three

688
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: of the masters. But there's something about the whole that yeah,

689
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where it is in the routing too.

690
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, coming off a scoreable five and

691
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: unsettling short three, then a long four, I mean a

692
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: long part three is the fourth two and three is

693
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: where you have to make your score exactly because because

694
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: four and five with ballbusters, so like three is an

695
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: opportunity even if you're like, I don't know if I

696
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: should a driver here, I'm not feeling it yet. I'm

697
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: easing into the round. But you one, four and five

698
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: are really tough, so you really want a birdie at

699
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: least one of two or three hopefully both, right, um,

700
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: a sort of insurance against four and five. Bertie two

701
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: and three really awkward, tricky hole. It's not in my

702
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: top eighteen holes in the world, but really cool. Yeah,

703
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: And it's one of those grains. That's one of the

704
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: grains that you first get to here that just makes

705
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: you appreciate the tilt on these grains. It is outrageous

706
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: because that's not something the greens here like the kind

707
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: of got the wavy bits in him or the different

708
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: sort of levels. That one's just pure tilt. And it's

709
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: that's when you first really you've got this. Your caddy,

710
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: you'll tell you you're aiming four ft right of the

711
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: hole or something on this part and you think you're

712
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: being really smart and he like aims right of the

713
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: whole for your part, and you're like there's no chance,

714
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: and you don't do it, and you miss the part

715
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: way low, you know, like it's three is tough. You

716
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: miss it over the green really for your second if

717
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: you can over the green and left of the pin. Four,

718
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: it's just for the beast for it a amazing past three.

719
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: Like if you built that anywhere else, I've got an

720
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: unbelievable grain that people would run you off out of

721
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: the business. Like it's you know, like how hard a

722
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: hole is that. I can't remember one Masters in the nineties,

723
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: one of my first masters, they had the pin on

724
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: that front little tongue, and it was that that's that

725
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: you can stopping that slope and guys are four or

726
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: five putting and there was just a lot of happiness,

727
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: but that that was cool. It was it was that fromping.

728
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: I don't use that very much, but I think it's

729
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: probably because of that day. It was like it was

730
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: out of control, like as you're saying, it's on the

731
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: edge of being unfair, depending whe they put the flame. Yeah,

732
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: it actually plays a lot more doable for stable in

733
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: the torn for some reason, and three hours to that

734
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: back right thing and stuff. I don't know. It's a

735
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: really tough hole, but it's a playable tough houle, you know.

736
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't know too forty two fifty. It sounds so unreal.

737
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: It was downhill and you pumped up and generally would

738
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: be more downwind. I would have certain into the wind generally,

739
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: even though it sort of blows all over the place.

740
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Um yeah, tough old great part three for a long

741
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: path three, it's legit. I would be very proud of

742
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: having that all if i'd build that all. It's crazy

743
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: green too. Again, how do you build that green like

744
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: it's People don't have an appreciation for how slopy and

745
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: how arly these greens are and how different that whole

746
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: can play. From that front left pin to the back

747
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: right one and the back right one, it's only about

748
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: four from the hedge and the trees. You know, there's

749
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: a three on and you really kind of have to

750
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: go for it because if you don't go for it,

751
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: you're a hundred feet away because if you land much

752
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: left of that pin, it just goes all the way

753
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: down to the left. Feel like I've seen a lot

754
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: of visuals of guys, you know, asked coming out of

755
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: those hedges looking for their ball, digging around in there

756
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: on the right end side. It comes up quick. You

757
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: can land on the grain and go in there on.

758
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Feel should have won the two thou that triple right

759
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: hand out of hedge, It comes up quickly. Yeah, for

760
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: a great hole. I would have been proud of building

761
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: that one. That's a good hole. Five brutal hole. Let's

762
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: just go harder and harder. I mean that green again,

763
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: you cannot even imagine. It's so long now, like it

764
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: was long ish before they added this. What they add

765
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: thirty a couple of years ago out on the Berke

766
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: control fifty or sixty um. So it's kind of like

767
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: between driver and three would just don't hit it left

768
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: off the tea. As long as you're right, you're okay,

769
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: and you have a five or six on too a

770
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: pin that's like, how do you It's like a like

771
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: an old course green that really feels like a green

772
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: at the old course. Done it at the front there

773
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: and it's like trying to hit a five on on

774
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: top of a voxwagon beetle and like good luck with that.

775
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: It's almost like they take birdie out of play there.

776
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: It's it's not it's just not a birdie hole. Get lucky, Yeah,

777
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: you got it's it's just survived, get up somehow, finagle

778
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: apart and get to hell. It's funny. It plays a

779
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: lot more. I mean when I when I first played

780
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: it in the practice rounds and stuff, and I'm like,

781
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: when I first got here, I'm like, there's just no chance,

782
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: Like how do you even hit this green? But like

783
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: you can, you know, for some reason in the tournament

784
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: you just I don't know. It isn't that what's great?

785
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: You hit past hopefully and like passed and left of

786
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: it on the grain that a little bit somewhere in

787
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: the middle and part of it up in two parts,

788
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: and try to get out of it. It's some you

789
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: don't miss the grain. You don't miss it short. You

790
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: miss it short once, and then you don't miss it

791
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: short again because short you're not making part, you know,

792
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: and then riot's awful. Um, you just do the best

793
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: you can there. That's just one of those. It's a

794
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: bit like eleven. You just if you could pencil in

795
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: four or four times, you would run away as fast

796
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: as you could. I think this was so great about

797
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: Augusta is almost every hole is like a half part

798
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: hole they're talking about good party chances are really really

799
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: hard part There's there's very few kind of just easy

800
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: parts like either either you just stay out there and

801
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: you get a great shot and you have a chance

802
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: at three, or you're gonna get your teeth kicked in

803
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: and you'd love to make a boat and you're like that.

804
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: To me, it makes it such a fun tournament course

805
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: because there's a wide dispursed of outcomes on every single swing. Yeah,

806
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: and it demands respect so often, you know, brunning back

807
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: decisions that you just have to respect what can happen,

808
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: you know, you just have to do. And we don't

809
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: have that very often anymore. We just not anymore ever, Really,

810
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: you just don't have that. Look look to your point,

811
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: at one is basically apart four and a half. Two

812
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: is apart four and a half. Three is a part

813
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: three and a half. Four is a part three and

814
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: a half, and five is apart four and a half.

815
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: In a way, you don't get to a true par

816
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: until really six, which is a part three. Yeah, but

817
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: then if you go along at six, yeah, but it's

818
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: be dead there. Yeah, but you h but in terms

819
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: of lengthen and it's it's a true part three. And

820
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: then you get into a couple of parts. You know,

821
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: seven I would call a true four. Yeah, it's got hard.

822
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: It's all about pins. I mean, look, six is an

823
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: unbelievable hole that pins down the bottom. It's a birdie

824
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: hall depends at the top. It's just trying to make pie.

825
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: You know, that top tier that they usually have twice.

826
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: It's just people don't know how small that is. I mean,

827
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: we're hitting sixes and seven ones under this like it's

828
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: a table, it's a dawning table, and if you miss it,

829
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: you've got a hundred foot or you're off the right

830
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: inside of green like, but you can't not go for

831
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: it because who wants the hundred foot? So it forces

832
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: you to hit a shot that's just outrageously hard, you know,

833
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: And the weeks you're playing, well you do. You know,

834
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: it's funny how often you do hit it up the

835
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: top of that six hole. We must be better than

836
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: we think, you know. That's that's definitely true. That was

837
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: a foulder is and he always said, I knew my

838
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: iron game was down and if I could hit a

839
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: shot on six the back flag. Yeah, you always talked

840
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, so six is great. It changes from

841
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: an easy hole with the two low pins to the

842
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: two high pins to being really really hard sevens the

843
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: same seven with the pins on the left on the

844
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: high bit. It's so hard, that whole long, narrow ball

845
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: below your feet. Second shot sort of almost it feels

846
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: like you're almost downslopy to hit it up, you know,

847
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: and the ball's landing, say flat on a shallow green.

848
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: Then it doesn't. You can't just have it hit and

849
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: stop there because it's uphill. But then you get that

850
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: pin on the right and it's like you try to

851
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: hold your second shot rot It's like sixteen told when

852
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: you start getting the ball funneling, yeah, front right to

853
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: like that becomes the fun factor Absolutelyeah, it's just total fun,

854
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, and you're actually realistically thinking I could actually

855
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: hold this if I get it in this gat on

856
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: the right instil crane um seven again. I don't know

857
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: where I'll write them all at the end. Well, well, yeah,

858
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: I kind of. I love this kind of the half

859
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: part thing because counting the number of half parts is

860
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: also a great indicator of just how I think how

861
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: great the golf course can be and how how much

862
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: fun it is, and why this holds up as as

863
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: a reoccurring major championship venue in which they can dictate

864
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: what happens based on pin placements and just tempt you'd

865
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: call a part four and a half just like you

866
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: would five. What is a hundred yards longer? Right? Like, Yeah,

867
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: it's not really far. I mean I always found it

868
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: really long. Again, we watched that they show Dustin and

869
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: Rory and Phil and Tiger and that play that all,

870
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: but like very few of the field are hitting on

871
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: that green into regularly. Yeah, that's a proper part fire.

872
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: Most people bail their seconds at the right. Yeah, I

873
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: mean when guys are winning, they're hitting it on the

874
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: grain and stuff. But there's a lot of years where

875
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: everybody's would you would play four four third shots from

876
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: fifty yards from the green? Um, it's pretty long. The

877
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: bunker is carrying the bunkers like the domain of only

878
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: the very very very freakishly long. You know, it's a

879
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: proper You gotta hit a property shot and you've got

880
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: a really good second shot on that green, and the

881
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: green is tricky. That's my least favorite green here, I

882
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: would say, um, you'd probably get that out of most.

883
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: I just don't like the mounds, the mounds, the amount

884
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: of character. Um, but I had a few cracks of

885
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: that over the years. Eight. Have you seen the photo

886
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: of Clifford Roberts's vision for Yeah, it's bizarre and it's

887
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: really weird. Yeah, it's better with the malad. He didn't

888
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: like the mounds. He took the mounds of right, and

889
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: the whole green was raised up about a like edges

890
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: and it's just like a little it's like the silver

891
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: was like a chalk outline of an actual green. It's

892
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: it's a strange it's a strange one. Yeah, that's why

893
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: the club chairman should not be allowed to be there.

894
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: It kind of works like they do it a lot here.

895
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: Which breaks the rules is that they open it up

896
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: from the outside of a dog leg. I mean normally

897
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: all the best holes you've got to challenge the inside

898
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: of the dog leg to get the good angle to

899
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: the green. Right, think thirteen, if thirteens of perfect dollar,

900
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: you're the clothes you get into the creek, the easier

901
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: your second chop done. Whereas eight, it's almost the further

902
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: right you go on your second shot, the better you are,

903
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, which is because you just hit and taken

904
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: out of plane. What you just you don't have to

905
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: hit it near the trees like traditionally, like you're a

906
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: traditional like architect purist. One oh one would be you

907
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: hug the cornice, the easy pitch shot, you know, but

908
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: there you actually you go wide, you know. It's the

909
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: same as nine. Nine is interesting again because nine opens

910
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: from the right the outside, and normally Mackenzie would have

911
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: opened it up from the inside. But that's using this

912
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: that's the extra dimension of using side slope that they

913
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: use here. It can be is the wrong way. It's

914
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: high on the left, low on the right, and you

915
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: it's a draw. It's a green that you have to

916
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: draw it into from the downslope ball below your feet.

917
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Let's take Olympic Club a little bit, just a bit

918
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: like thirteen and asks you to hit up fade into

919
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: the green with the ball above your feet, which is

920
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: completely counter to what you want to do. Nine asks

921
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: you hit to draw from the ball below your feet

922
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: down slope, which is all it is is low cut,

923
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: low cut, and that shot deserves a high draw, which

924
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: is why this course finds the best and it's less

925
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: about form and more about pedigree because it's just only

926
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: there's only a few people who can do that for

927
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: seventy two holes. Now you'd call it true part four.

928
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely quality, you're gonnahit a really good T shirt.

929
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: It makes you think you've got to hit a really

930
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: strong draw down there, but you really you actually want

931
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: to smash it down the right hand side to open

932
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: up the grain a little bit. It's funny. First five

933
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: holes could be considered half parts of some sort. In

934
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: the next four our true part of fours. And then

935
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: you go to the back nine. Yeah, I mean the

936
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: ninth hole to me, the volatility the ninth hole, Yeah,

937
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: easy to make a five there for sure? Yea three?

938
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: Um sure, and then look tends up four and a

939
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: half ten and eleven and four halfs for four and

940
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: a half to night maintain is if eleven is not

941
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: the hotest all of course ten is. So you start

942
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: the back nine with just complete brutality and twelve to

943
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: be fair, you can put that in there because I

944
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: mean that's a path three and it's the path three

945
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: that's got a two to eight or not. It's got everything. Yeah,

946
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: um four tens and four fifteens and four and a

947
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: half sixteen to three fourteen fourteens of four fifteens, A

948
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: four and a half sixteen is a three, seventeen is

949
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: a four eighteen is a yeah. I mean like sixteen again,

950
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: it's all pin position because sixteen the two high pins,

951
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: it's the hardest part of the course. Almost the two

952
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: low pins hard to not make birdie. Sometimes you know

953
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: which is which is Again is a gene because sixteen

954
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: one day is the hardest hold the course. The next

955
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: days easyt holo course just because you've moved the pint. Wow.

956
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's just incredible and and same six. I

957
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: mean the volatility of the par five. I mean every

958
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: every every pin position, every pin position can dictate the

959
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: difference of a of a full shot one way or

960
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: the other. I think different that is from like Pebble Beach,

961
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: where you just want to the middle of green and

962
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: you'll have a fifteen foot on pretty much every hole.

963
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's some really tough pins, like fourteen front

964
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: right is a lot different than back left. But you

965
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: don't talk about the pins of Pebble nearly the same

966
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: way because it just doesn't change the course. Yeah, that

967
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: the drama and the stress of pebble is before you

968
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: get to the grain. Generally here it's really when you

969
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: get to the whole hall is gear about where's the

970
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: pin and how do I get to that pin? The

971
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: best essentially identifying nine half pars at August National, in

972
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: my opinion, is what would make it. And you could

973
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: probably do the same at Royal Melbourne. But why it's

974
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: such an amazing major championship venue and why it's so

975
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: much fun to not only watch but also seemingly to play,

976
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: shows you the irrelevance of power a little bit too like, right,

977
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: um the minutes we all like it to measure her

978
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: on score during their round, right, but it really doesn't matter,

979
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: right um. And it's six days of great hole. It

980
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: was a thirteen. They're all great holes depending on whether

981
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: they're heart I mean six days of great hole when

982
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: it's playing really hard, and six days of great one's

983
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: playing really easy. Like, it's got nothing to do with

984
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: how hard it plays, how good it is this course,

985
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: whether the whole is set up as easy as it

986
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: can or as hard as it can, it doesn't make

987
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: it any less good or bad. It's just great all

988
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: the way. What would be your ultimate sick this whole routing?

989
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: If you could to identify six holes from Augusta National

990
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: that you would extract and put in your backyard and

991
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: that you could play for the rest of your life,

992
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: what six holes would those be? Thirteen would be the

993
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: show piece. I think thirteen is the perfect golf hole.

994
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: Thirteen you just play that six times. I think thirteen

995
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: is great. Fifteen is fun. Um, I mean it's mostly

996
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: the back nine. I think ten, I really I think

997
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: ten's a great hole. Um. Twelve would you really want

998
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: to play that every day? Yeah? Sixteen? Yeah, sixteen is fun?

999
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: I mean how fun is sixteen? I would put out

1000
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: Sixteen is a better hole than twelve. Twelve is maybe

1001
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: more interesting, you know, but sixteens from a player's perspective,

1002
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: fun to play. So you mentioned the chipping competitions. You

1003
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: never in the sixteenth grade with your boys, ten, thirteen, fifteen, sixteen,

1004
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: you've got room for two more and you're back two more. Well,

1005
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: I love the seventeenth green. We will play that loop.

1006
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: We'll go, we'll stay on that side of the course.

1007
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: Seventeen and I put one in there because I think

1008
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: one is great. Wow, that's my only critique of Augusta

1009
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: National is eighteens to me kind of a mediocre hole

1010
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: and even seventeen is super awkward. That drive and it

1011
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: is a cool green, but um, I don't know. The

1012
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: fitniest is always a little let down. You guys walk

1013
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: up the sixteenth green as well as like funds over

1014
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: and now it's just about green. That's like, that's close

1015
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: to one of my favorite greens in the world. It's wild,

1016
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: but it's also it's so hard to birdie, Like, yeah,

1017
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: I guess you've had your birdie chances, so now it's

1018
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: just about hanging on. But eighteen eighteen, I don't know

1019
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: they used to As I said, they used the slope,

1020
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: like no course that we play uses side slope, Like

1021
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: this play starts. You know you've got you're on an

1022
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: up slope on one, very often down slope on two,

1023
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: So I'd slope on three, so I'd slip on five

1024
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: a little bit, seven down slope, eight upslope, nine down

1025
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: slope ball believe feet, ten down slope, ball above your feet,

1026
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: eleven side slope, thirteen massive ball above your feet, fourteen

1027
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: ball below your feet. Like it's all day, like an

1028
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: eighteen is the first one where you're just massive upslope

1029
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: and it's a hard swing. I mean those old times

1030
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: when you see guys like miss the second way right

1031
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: on eighteen, Greend. That's what happens when when you're on

1032
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: a massive upslope and you haven't had one all day

1033
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: and they present you, well, you've got to get into

1034
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: the clubhouse. You've got to hit the ball from a

1035
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: massive upside. It's hard, like It's that's why it finds

1036
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: the best players, because that's as I said, it's less

1037
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: form and more pedigree like the one the guys those

1038
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: Sergios or Dustin's aroories of Tigers, or those guys who

1039
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: have every shot any day of the week. This finds them,

1040
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, like they have an opportunity to show what

1041
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: they've got here, which whereas not in a normal week

1042
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: when they're flat lies and relatively simple puts and it's

1043
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: just basic golf. They can't show everyone why they are

1044
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: who they are. But this course is the templight for

1045
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: them to like, you have to be them or you

1046
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: can't do it, you know. That's why it's so great.

1047
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: I love that I had an idea once where you

1048
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: would play the tenth hole, then then be underground tunnel

1049
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: of the high speed train would take you to the

1050
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: sixteen t You play sixteen, seventeen eighteen, then you'd go

1051
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: over to eleven, and then you'd finish. The finishing stretch

1052
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: of the tournament would be eleven, twelve, fifteen. That's how

1053
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: the Masters would end. I think it's a genius just

1054
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: rejigger the back nine, but keep the same hole. They've

1055
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: already built the tunnel. The tunnel is probably already there.

1056
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: Like how how it curl would that be? I mean

1057
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: you get, you get, you get seventeen and eighteen now

1058
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: of the way early, and then it's amen corner and

1059
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: then you you end on the fifteen. Imagine the Masters

1060
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: is at state, you're staying on the fifteen fairway. But

1061
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean going back to go next. A lot of

1062
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: a lot of golfers played as match play and they

1063
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: climactic finish was look at look at Cyprus with the

1064
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen finished there, like you wish you could end

1065
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: on and some matches. Yeah, I'm just saying I think

1066
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: that that, you know, Chairman Yang or chairman Race should

1067
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: look into that. When Ridley's gone and do you've re

1068
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: shuffled the holes in the back now it could be epic.

1069
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: That's just all I know is like we don't know

1070
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: the answers, and they always seem to know the answers.

1071
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: This is the best tournament in the world by a

1072
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: long way every year. It's exciting like that they know

1073
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: what they're doing, Like I wouldn't pick it. I wouldn't.

1074
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't upset the apple cart here because they know

1075
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Like the sun sets on Sunday and

1076
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: they finished the tournament and the winter wins and that's

1077
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: They've got this thing whole. So it worked out. That's

1078
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: the biggest flaw on my plan is that you'd end

1079
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: down at fifteen is a long haul back. But I'm

1080
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 1: just saying, don't do it for me as finishing holes.

1081
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: So they flipped the nine that first year. In the

1082
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: first year they had the nine is the other way?

1083
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that would have been a different but

1084
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: the Masters would be a different story. Detail off on

1085
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: ten and finished on nine. Right, you're you're routing by

1086
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: the way one ten opening up with two Part four

1087
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: is too tough? Part fifteen, Well yeah, but I mean

1088
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: it would be kind of cool disorder one ten, thirteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.

1089
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: I fun, fun golf course. It wouldn't. It's been a

1090
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: little volatility and scoring where the pins are. Mike, this

1091
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: is what's so great about this term is you know,

1092
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: is Oakmont maybe a better golf course in August National.

1093
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: You made the argument, but no one's sitting around debating

1094
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: every hole. Most golfens couldn't even name any holes at Oakmont,

1095
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: right Like Pebble, people know the holes, but there's obviously

1096
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: some weak ones. Like I guess, it's just so fun

1097
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: to talk about these things because even the person at

1098
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: home who who has not playing the Masters like you have,

1099
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 1: or covered twenty seven them like I have, or whatever

1100
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: it is, they have an opinion. They're they're invested in

1101
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: the golf course, and they know we're talking about in

1102
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: a way that you can do on any other course

1103
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: in the world. I'm just hearing him talk talk recounting

1104
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven and all the different names who were

1105
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: in and all that was happening, and the birdies were happening,

1106
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: you with Freddie and Tiger in front, and things were

1107
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: happening like that's all we hope that's all we can

1108
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: ever hope and pray for is on Sunday, after all

1109
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: of what we've waited for the start of the major

1110
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: championship season is to have eight or ten guys in

1111
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: the mix those last nine holes and just watch the

1112
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: fireworks happen. It's so much fun and it's the best.

1113
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: That's that, like, you know, hearing you talk about that,

1114
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: being in it, immersed in seeing the scoreboards and the

1115
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: roars and the Bertie roars versus the Eagle roars and

1116
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: then the other roars on the other board. I mean,

1117
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: seeing it and being there as a as a as

1118
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: a patron is amazing. I can only imagine what it's

1119
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: like as a player. I'm actually getting excited about the

1120
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: Master's just sitting there talking about I'm so excited. My

1121
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 1: favorite spot was to sit on fifteen left to the green,

1122
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 1: watch those approach shots, watch them then hit their shots

1123
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: on sixteen. See the board in front of the green

1124
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: at fifteen. I would camp out there for you know,

1125
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: I would. I would skip at least two peas and

1126
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: just I would. I would. I would stretch the bladder

1127
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: as long as I can. That top row that that

1128
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: grunts down so good yeah, Um, what what what are

1129
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: veterans on the right that will never know? Never what

1130
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: is it? What is it like as a player to

1131
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: after all that you've experienced, immersed in gallery and stuff,

1132
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: to walk you know that amen corner where they keep

1133
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: everybody off to side. Does that actually feel like you're

1134
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: walking into like a painting? I don't know if f

1135
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: fls painting, but it is certainly the best ten minutes

1136
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: of your year as a professional golfer when you leave

1137
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: the people, not that we love the people and playing

1138
00:55:54,200 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: in front of people and you guys, journalists, fans, your family, everybody.

1139
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: It's you and your caddy and one little CBS guy

1140
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: on a on a on a chair back there making

1141
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: to the camera doesn't break. Um, it's just the best.

1142
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: You're Like, where else in any sport can you be

1143
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: two hundred yards from the nearest spectator, nearest person basically,

1144
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: and you're in the middle of the biggest tournament there

1145
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: is like, it's not it's so it's such a cool

1146
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: little moment from when you leave the twelve tea so

1147
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: when you sort of get to your drive on thirteen,

1148
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: it's just you, you and you're playing partners, just playing golf,

1149
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: like in the biggest tournament in the world and nobody's

1150
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: within two hundred yards of you. It's just the best.

1151
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: It is such third three of the Masters is the

1152
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: best place in progolf. I've heard of players talking about

1153
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: if you make a part on twelve. The cool thing

1154
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: is it takes a secretary for the wall of sound.

1155
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: You know it does. It's just oh yeah, it's you

1156
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: get visceral evidence of the speed of sound because you

1157
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: make it. They see it go in and you see movement,

1158
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: but there's two seconds until you actually start hearing the

1159
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: claps of stuff it starts. It's really cool. I'm very

1160
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: used to having a long pauses between and having a clap.

1161
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: So sometimes they never go their knowledgeable though they maybe.

1162
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, people talk about the open um and that

1163
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: is special. They know what they're watching. But here they

1164
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: know what they're watching. Because I would have said majority

1165
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: of the patrons the Thursday to Sunday people Monday to

1166
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: Wednesday is different. I think here it's a different crowd

1167
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: Thursday to Sunday. Is they know what they're watching and

1168
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: they know their course. Most of them have been here

1169
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: a lot. They're fantastic people to play in front of

1170
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: and you know, the measure I think for a player

1171
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: is like a blind green. So you hit it up

1172
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: onto seven here, or you hit it over the hill,

1173
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: or there's a green that you can't see where it

1174
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: is fourteen or something here. You can tell within a

1175
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: foot how close the ball is just by how they reacted,

1176
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: whether it's two ft it's spun back, whether it lipped out,

1177
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: whether it's twenty ft, whether it's an okay shot, whether

1178
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: it's a really good shot. You can basically guess with

1179
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: an foot, yeah, that's probably eight ft based on based

1180
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: on how they react. And most of them as you can't.

1181
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: You've got no clue because they're just there. One timers, right,

1182
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: Tory or Phoenix or Hilton out or whatever. They're not

1183
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: really generally, they're just going to go to a golf

1184
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: tour them and they don't know the golf course here.

1185
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: They know the course, they know what the good shots are,

1186
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: they know what the bad shots are. They appreciate a

1187
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: quality wedge shot to thirty if that's what's required. They

1188
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: appreciate that because they know that's what he had to

1189
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: do there, because he's going to make double if he

1190
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: went at the pin it's a really nice place to

1191
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: play from a fan patron perspectives, since they know what

1192
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: they're watching, smart and reverent field, smart and reverent, you know,

1193
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: a fan base smart and reverend, architecture and thoughtful, you know,

1194
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: input into the strategy equals. Is this the greatest by

1195
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: a long stretch? This is the best tournament in professional golf,

1196
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: by any golf I mean, and it's I don't know why.

1197
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Jones arguably the best golf brain ever. Maybe

1198
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: that at least put his feelings down on paper and tape,

1199
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, a bit of a genius. I don't know.

1200
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: They it's a product tournament. They put everything into making

1201
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: it the best one to play, the best one to

1202
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: go to, and the best one to watch on TV. Right,

1203
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: there's the three points that they hit, and that's the points.

1204
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: They don't care about marketing, all the stuff on the outside.

1205
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: That's secondary to them is how good can we make

1206
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: this to play? How good we make this to visit?

1207
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: And how good can we make this to watch on TV?

1208
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: And they nail that, and that the reward is that

1209
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: it's the best. I think most other tournaments there's a

1210
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: bit more of a skew towards marketing and like quick

1211
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: sale and let's make some money this year, and let's

1212
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: put a big stand here and we'll put some signs

1213
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: over here. They had zero compromise here. It's all about

1214
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: how good and pure can we make this and keep this?

1215
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: And they do it every year. And when you focus

1216
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: on your product, your product gets better. You know, it's

1217
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: the best tournament by my I love it. Well, we

1218
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: we have you all week. You know where where this

1219
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: is going to be a reoccurring thing around major championships.

1220
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: Being able to have access to your thought and and

1221
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: perspective and experiences, and it's it's very special obviously just

1222
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: to sit here and listen. But thanks for your thanks

1223
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: for your time, and thanks for being part of the

1224
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: perfect collective. I love it to describe fun. I'm talking

1225
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: about what I like to talk about. We love listening. Yeah,

1226
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: all right, good stuff. Put another log on the fire.

1227
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: Nobody here is give the time