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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is my trusted colleague West Hodkuits.

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Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau

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Speaker 1: Field and West. We are one day closer to the

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Speaker 1: end of the two thousand eighteen football season for the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers Sunday noon Central time kick off at

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Speaker 1: lambeau Field against NFC North rival Detroit. And if there's

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Speaker 1: one aspect from the Packers victory against the Jets that

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Speaker 1: perhaps we didn't explore enough when we were recapping that game.

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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot during the course of the season

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Speaker 1: about the moments that Marquess Valdes Scantling has had, those

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Speaker 1: impact moments in games for a rookie receiver equity me

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Speaker 1: as st Brown has had some as well. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if there was a game where both of those

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Speaker 1: rookies in the same game had, you know, not just

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Speaker 1: a statistical but also a visible on field impact in

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Speaker 1: what was going on. It's potentially a really good sign

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Speaker 1: here for the Packers if these two rookies can finish

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Speaker 1: the season that way. Obviously, going forward into year two, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and It's huge for them right now to be able

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Speaker 1: to get that kind of production because, as you said, Mike,

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Speaker 1: we saw Marcosveldo Scantlin kind of get his shot earlier

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Speaker 1: this season, then Equonemius st Brown kind of got his opportunity.

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Speaker 1: But you really haven't seen them work in tandem in

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Speaker 1: terms of just really solid production, and it made for

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Speaker 1: an historic week. You wrote a great story on packers

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Speaker 1: dot Com looking over all the different records and things

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Speaker 1: that guys are chasing in different types of status marks.

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Speaker 1: But that game against the Jets, unbeknownst to me until afterwards,

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Speaker 1: was that the first time in franchise history you had

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Speaker 1: five different receivers catch at least sixty yards worth of

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Speaker 1: passes and Equinemias st Brown I it's I feel terrible

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Speaker 1: for him from a physical perspective that he ended up

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Speaker 1: sustaining the concussion unfortunate, but from a professional standpoint, five

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Speaker 1: catches for ninety four yards, he was on the verge

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Speaker 1: of having a really big football game when he had

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Speaker 1: to exit if he was able to play that out

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Speaker 1: the last quarter and a half. And then from Velde

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Speaker 1: Scantling's perspective, I touched on this an inbox for Thursday.

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Speaker 1: In that there's been some stuff made out of, you know,

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Speaker 1: mid season lulls and those sort of things. The facts

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Speaker 1: remain what they are, Mike. This guy has over five

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Speaker 1: yards receiving, he's averaging over fifteen yards per catch, and

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Speaker 1: he's a rookie. I mean, you look at the conversation

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Speaker 1: and your story also outlined to compare him to Christian

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Speaker 1: Kirk and some of these other young receivers in the league,

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Speaker 1: Veldis Scantlings up there with all of them. It's not

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Speaker 1: easy to come in and be an impact player, to

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Speaker 1: be putting up those kind of yards as a rookie

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Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL. The statistics bear that out. But

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Speaker 1: Valdez Scantling has found a way to be able to

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Speaker 1: make those impact plays right here in year one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's interesting when you look back at that Jets game.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the five catches for ninety four yards for st. Brown.

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Speaker 1: That was five catches on five targets that he had

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Speaker 1: had the ball thrown to him five times, made the

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Speaker 1: play every time. Felda Scantling his receiving yards was at

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy seventy five yards receiving but also had

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Speaker 1: where if that doesn't happen, he's potentially got a one

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Speaker 1: hundred yard game. Uh when you factor that in and

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it with regards to MVS, he's is it

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Speaker 1: trying to remember now? If it's fifth or sixth in

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Speaker 1: the six Yeah, sixth in the league amongst rookie wide

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Speaker 1: receivers in terms of yardage right now, and if you

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Speaker 1: actually just go by receivers, he'd be fifth because one

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Speaker 1: of those five guys in front of him is Sae

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Speaker 1: who's piled up a bunch of receiving yards. But this

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Speaker 1: is the other thing that's interesting. West five hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty eight yards right now for MVS. Not only is

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Speaker 1: that the most yards receiving by a rookie receiver with

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, he surpassed Davante Adams total in the mid

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Speaker 1: the entire Rodgers and Farv era only two rookie receivers,

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Speaker 1: in terms of this context six hundred and seventy six

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Speaker 1: in terms of the statistical impact. But over the over

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Speaker 1: you know, and you look at these all these measurables

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Speaker 1: the fact that both of them are above fifteen yards

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Speaker 1: per catch that's indicating that they're making big plays in

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Speaker 1: your right, I mean, route running, all the small things

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Speaker 1: able to do that to function in this offense. But

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, Mike. The reason why Brian Judicins use

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Speaker 1: these draft picks on these guys, the reason they brought

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Speaker 1: of what they do that potentially, with some coaching, can

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Speaker 1: be rounded out and make a complete receiver. These guys

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Speaker 1: have things you can't coach. And st Brown specifically to

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Speaker 1: touch on him, a six round draft pick, maybe came

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Speaker 1: out a year early, well did come out of yearly,

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Speaker 1: but maybe year too early. Out of order, Dame, you

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Speaker 1: success that they've had this season, but he has looked.

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Speaker 1: The part in what impresses me is you can use

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Speaker 1: and he finds ways to still make plays in his

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Speaker 1: catch radius. Michael, how many times have you and I've

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Speaker 1: uh tip toe type catches displays that are instinctive that

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Speaker 1: next two or three years, and Aaron Rodgers has some

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Speaker 1: legitimate weapons to work with for the foreseeable future. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, the Packers have needed

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Speaker 1: to restock for the future at the skill positions around

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Speaker 1: fourth rounder and the fifth rounder, Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones,

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Speaker 1: we talked plenty about them. It turned out kind of

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Speaker 1: using this a similar strategy in this last draft. You

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Speaker 1: on More and MVS and e Q, And now with

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Speaker 1: Jamon More, a lot of fans are asking, well, what's

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Speaker 1: the deal with him? He was the first one they

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Speaker 1: so the other guys moved ahead of him on the

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Speaker 1: this guy is obviously not gonna make it. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that right away. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: the fumble last week on the kickoff return unfortunate. But

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Speaker 1: I'll remember this about Jamon Moore. He had a couple

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Speaker 1: came back the very next preseason game. He dealt with

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Speaker 1: Now he's got another pretty significant moment of adversity he

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Speaker 1: And yes, some will handle it better than others. But

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Speaker 1: potentially fatal mistake. I'm glad you set this up for me, Michael,

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Speaker 1: because and we didn't plan this. Hung the curve ball

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Speaker 1: Just you set me up. Well, here, I want to

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Speaker 1: take you back to two thousand seventeen. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: that year very well? Okay? The Green Bay Packers opened

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Speaker 1: the season against the Seattle Seahawks Mike Spofford. The Packers

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Speaker 1: had four running backs on the roster for that game.

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Speaker 1: Three man roster, Jamal Williams, Davante Mays, Aaron Ripkowski, and

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Speaker 1: The players have to figure it out. The coaches have

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Speaker 1: to talk about Madden and you know you you log

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Speaker 1: onto your you know you get you get your franchise

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Speaker 1: You get your franchise mode up. You pick your team

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Speaker 1: and you get your roster right, and everybody has an

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Speaker 1: overall ranking. You think they got that. In the NFL, No,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist, And what one team might think of

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Speaker 1: Jamon Moore, We've seen a time and time again. Man,

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Speaker 1: there's there's young guys that come in, some guys that clicks.

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Speaker 1: There's your Greg jen Things, there's your James Jones that

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Speaker 1: just jump off the board and here they are, they're superstars.

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Speaker 1: But there's also Jordy Nelson's. There's also these other guys

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Speaker 1: what they are and what they're going to be in

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Speaker 1: this league. Antonio Freeman had eight catches for a hundred

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and what did Donald Driver? Donald

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Speaker 1: Driver was the seventh round pick, but what did he have?

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Speaker 1: It was like three catches his first two three years,

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Speaker 1: you don't know UNTI take at opportunities. The big thing

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Speaker 1: for Jamon More this offseason mini camps O t a

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Speaker 1: the packers you know, this is a fifth round pick,

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Speaker 1: this is why you took me, and this is the

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Speaker 1: potential that I have at this position. Yeah. And I'll

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Speaker 1: make another point along these lines too. I mentioned obviously

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven the most receiving yards by a rookie

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