Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production
Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Toad and this
Speaker 1: is there are No Girls on the Internet.
Speaker 2: Happy Halloween. Halloween is my favorite holiday.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am one of those people who starts preparing
Speaker 1: for spooky season even while we're still solidly in summer.
Speaker 1: I live for a horror movie, and I think there's
Speaker 1: just something about how horror is able to do sharp,
Speaker 1: sadhire or social commentary against the backdrop of a spooky story.
Speaker 1: So when I sat down to rewatch the nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: six horror classic Scream last week, a movie that I
Speaker 1: had not seen since I was a kid, I realize
Speaker 1: this is a movie that is desperately trying to tell
Speaker 1: us something about our collective rights around media and technology.
Speaker 1: I joined my friend Samantha and Scream scholar in residence
Speaker 1: Annie over at the podcast Stuff Mom Ever told you
Speaker 1: to discusse how Scream is a commentary on all of
Speaker 1: our collective tech and media anxieties.
Speaker 2: So listen if you dare.
Speaker 1: I do think that there's something about anxiety around technology
Speaker 1: communication systems. How many scary movies had the trope of
Speaker 1: like the phone's gone dead, or like some bit of
Speaker 1: technology that we maybe don't fully understand or don't fully
Speaker 1: respect or appreciate coming back to get us. Like that
Speaker 1: is a common I believe, like a common trope that
Speaker 1: is really related to our anxieties collectively around technology, particularly
Speaker 1: new technology, or like over reliance on technology that really
Speaker 1: sets us up for a kind of horror situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, And I've noticed there's like a whole new ish
Speaker 4: genre of like movies like Unfriended or movies about like
Speaker 4: social media and these kind of technologies that are part
Speaker 4: of our everyday lives. It's also interesting to see other
Speaker 4: movies like Missing or Searching where they're trying to explain
Speaker 4: because a lot of horror movies, Yeah, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: the phone's not working, really like trying to explain how
Speaker 4: technology can fit into that or how it doesn't and
Speaker 4: can't or yeah that dependents on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just watched on the plane to Berlin, I
Speaker 1: watched Missing, and I also I haven't seen Missing. It
Speaker 1: takes place almost entirely through screens, and so you're watching
Speaker 1: someone's laptop. You're watching like they're having a video chat
Speaker 1: with somebody. They're they're messaging somebody like you're watching security
Speaker 1: footage from a screen, like the whole thing takes place
Speaker 1: on a computer. And I also there is like a
Speaker 1: thing that I'm really interested in, mostly because I really
Speaker 1: like she the movies that are kind of like trying
Speaker 1: to make a social commentary but it's actually kind of funny,
Speaker 1: just like Scream.
Speaker 2: So I watched this movie The Influencer recently.
Speaker 1: Which I thought I didn't love, but like is about
Speaker 1: anxiety when it comes to people who share their whole
Speaker 1: lives on social media. Another one that I watched that's
Speaker 1: kind of similar to that is Sissy.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that?
Speaker 3: We just did that?
Speaker 2: As okay, what thing?
Speaker 4: It made me think a lot about it stuck with me,
Speaker 4: I will say, yeah, yeah, it was definitely one of
Speaker 4: those where I left like, uh, that did not resolve
Speaker 4: how I would have wanted it to resolve. But you know,
Speaker 4: the kind of making money off drama thing, which I
Speaker 4: know we're also going to talk about in here, left
Speaker 4: me unsettled.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, and I will say, like to set
Speaker 1: up this conversation, the reason why I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about this today is that I watched Scream, the first
Speaker 1: one the original from nineteen eighty six yesterday and I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, you know this is a movie that
Speaker 1: is really about the anxiety around technology and media.
Speaker 2: Right I had seen Scream.
Speaker 1: Maybe I saw it when it first came out when
Speaker 1: I was like a child, but when I don't, I've
Speaker 1: only seen it twice in my life. The first time
Speaker 1: I saw it when it first came out, a lot
Speaker 1: of the commentary about media and technology and tropes was
Speaker 1: really over my head because I was a child. Watching
Speaker 1: it yesterday, I was really struck by how this movie
Speaker 1: is really a commentary about the anxieties people were facing
Speaker 1: in the nineties around media. So I should say right
Speaker 1: off the bat, I saw Scream three in the theater
Speaker 1: with my friends. I think I must have seen Scream two,
Speaker 1: like partially on television every now and then, because I
Speaker 1: remember the Jata Peketts Smith part viscerally. So, but I
Speaker 1: don't think I've seen the whole thing because I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the plot on Wikipedia and I'm like, none of
Speaker 1: this seems familiar to me.
Speaker 3: Oh dear, I love Scream too. This is filmed in Georgia,
Speaker 3: Agnes Scott.
Speaker 2: Made in Georgia. Have you ever seen that?
Speaker 1: At the end of shows. No, okay, it's what they
Speaker 1: say at the end of bad Reality TV when they've
Speaker 1: been filmed in Georgia.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, well, yeah, I'm so excited to have this conversation.
Speaker 4: And the second one definitely plays into to this, so
Speaker 4: does the Force one.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. Let's yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Okay. So, if you have not seen Scream, the first one,
Speaker 2: this conversation might have some spoilers, but like, it came
Speaker 2: out in nineteen ninety six, so you know, what are
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 1: But having watched it, I was just really struck by
Speaker 1: the ways in which it is like a commentary on
Speaker 1: the anxiety that folks have around youth and media. So
Speaker 1: the rough plot outline of Scream, actually, any as our
Speaker 1: scream kind of sword? Do you want to hit us
Speaker 1: with the plot? The plot outline?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Yeah. So Scream is
Speaker 4: like many slasher movies that follows a group of high
Speaker 4: students and the movie opens with a very violent death
Speaker 4: scene Drew barrymore by the way that traumatize me and
Speaker 4: introduces you to the killer, who asks, like, what is
Speaker 4: your favorite scary movie? Quizzes Drew Barrymore's character Casey about
Speaker 4: what it is, and then from there, of course, we
Speaker 4: get various other deaths. The Rose McGowan's garage death also
Speaker 4: stuck with me, but but yeah, It's one of the
Speaker 4: things I love about Scream is you're following this group
Speaker 4: of kids and they really make you suspect everybody. But
Speaker 4: as a story kind of unfolds, you learn that the
Speaker 4: main character, Sidney, her mom had been murdered and she
Speaker 4: had testified about it, and it was this guy caught
Speaker 4: and weary.
Speaker 3: The names are also great in this movie. They really are,
Speaker 3: They really really are.
Speaker 4: And there's also some media happening around that in Courtney
Speaker 4: Cox's character Gail Weathers, who is this like really ambitious reporter,
Speaker 4: is in town and trying to ask her ask Sidney
Speaker 4: get an interview with her about all of that. And
Speaker 4: then we have our character Dewey played by David Arquette,
Speaker 4: who had a crush on from this movie, who is
Speaker 4: like the deputy of the town. So you've got all
Speaker 4: these characters and they're just sort of slowly dying off
Speaker 4: or friends of theirs on the proof we are anyway,
Speaker 4: and our character Randy is sort of our meta commentary guy.
Speaker 4: He is the guy who has seen all the horror movies,
Speaker 4: and he is the one who lays out the rules
Speaker 4: of surviving a horror movie, which at this point there's
Speaker 4: a killer around, so they're kind of joking that they're
Speaker 4: in one. Every screen movie has a party in it,
Speaker 4: so they go to this party even though there's a curfew,
Speaker 4: even though there's a killer.
Speaker 3: It makes no.
Speaker 2: Sense, like being stopped.
Speaker 1: Dewey, as the deputy, has been told like by his
Speaker 1: higher up, like make sure she stays safe.
Speaker 2: So then in the next.
Speaker 1: Scene, he's literally dropping her off at a party and
Speaker 1: like be like, Okay, we'll have.
Speaker 4: Fun, right, But he's trying to He's got a crush
Speaker 4: on Gail, who he knows will be there, and they
Speaker 4: kind of form a.
Speaker 2: Duo Mary Gale life at the time.
Speaker 4: At the time, Yes, and Gail leaves this camera inside
Speaker 4: the party to spy on the kids, which is really
Speaker 4: funny because it's like a fifteen second delay or whatever
Speaker 4: becomes important later. But Randy lays out the rules of
Speaker 4: like you can never have sex, you can never do drugs,
Speaker 4: you never say I'll be back, you won't be back,
Speaker 4: You'll be dead. And then we see kind of people
Speaker 4: drinking and dying, people having sex and then almost dying.
Speaker 4: But all these things is build up, and then it's
Speaker 4: kind of hinted that it's her dad who is the killer,
Speaker 4: but there's been this through line of her boyfriend Billy
Speaker 4: who's been pressuring her to have sex, and no, you
Speaker 4: don't do that if you want to survive a horror movie.
Speaker 4: And she also has to hang up around it because
Speaker 4: her mother, after she died, all this commentary was she
Speaker 4: was a slut and deserved it, so she has a
Speaker 4: real hang up about it, understandably, and she eventually is like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I want to have sex.
Speaker 3: I really want to.
Speaker 4: They have sex, and then it's revealed he is the killer,
Speaker 4: along with his friend Stu Matthew Lillard, and that they
Speaker 4: also killed her mom because they Billy blamed Sydney's mom
Speaker 4: for why his parents got divorced, so it wasn't Cotton Weary,
Speaker 4: it was Billy Loomis. And then they say that we're
Speaker 4: gonna blame the movies. We're gonna blame the movies. But
Speaker 4: then Sydney like steals their little voice vocoder thing and
Speaker 4: comes out and basically kills them with the help of
Speaker 4: Gail's returned after her cameraman was murdered and reports on
Speaker 4: the w whole scene as a I think it's Moby
Speaker 4: plays Yes movie.
Speaker 1: That was a really great rundown the character Gail Weathers.
Speaker 1: When I first saw Scream as a young person, I
Speaker 1: didn't really so I've always liked bad characters, like not
Speaker 1: necessarily the like the like ultimate villain, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: like Billion stew but like characters.
Speaker 2: That are meant to be bratty or annoying or dee.
Speaker 1: I've always been like, that's the character that I liked,
Speaker 1: And so I was obsessed with her character, her little suits.
Speaker 2: I thought she was so cool. I guess I like
Speaker 2: took away all of the.
Speaker 1: Wrong messages from this movie because I then grew up
Speaker 1: wanting to be like a careerist, a career woman's journalist, ballbuster.
Speaker 1: She also had a lot of the good lines were hers, Like,
Speaker 1: she really had good one liners, so that you have
Speaker 1: set the scene beautifully.
Speaker 2: So when Scream first debuted in nineteen ninety six, the
Speaker 2: country was really engaged in this like national dialogue about
Speaker 2: the impact of violence in media on youth. In nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six, President Clinton signs the Telecommunications Act of nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six, legislation that has gone on to shape a
Speaker 2: lot of our internet and media landscape even today. It
Speaker 2: was a huge change in the telecommunications law because it
Speaker 2: was the very first time that the Internet had been
Speaker 2: included in like broadcasting. A lot in net right was
Speaker 2: being was being legislated.
Speaker 1: Of, like how they were metering it out and how
Speaker 1: people could access it and all that. So as part
Speaker 1: of this legislation, the Clinton administration rolled out technology called
Speaker 1: the V chip.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the V chip?
Speaker 3: I don't remember the V chip.
Speaker 2: It was kind of.
Speaker 1: A blit in our I guess tech and media landscape,
Speaker 1: Like I remember a lot of conversation about it, like
Speaker 1: on television and in you know, with lawmakers. But ultimately
Speaker 1: it had a pretty a relatively like small impact, which
Speaker 1: we'll talk about in distant moments. So if you don't
Speaker 1: know what the V chip is, the V chip was
Speaker 1: technology meant to allow parents to block like racing or
Speaker 1: mature content from televisions. Television's manufactured in the United States
Speaker 1: market since January two thousand were required to have vship technology.
Speaker 1: So V chips worked by allowing your TV to receive
Speaker 1: a special code in the broadcast signal that was broadcasting
Speaker 1: shows and movies that indicated a rating of what kind
Speaker 1: of program that was and like whether or not it
Speaker 1: was suitable for different audiences. So you know when you
Speaker 1: watch TV now and you see up in the corner
Speaker 1: that little black and white logo like TVMA or TV
Speaker 1: why that is related to V chips, right, So like
Speaker 1: TVMA would be content that is mature. So if you
Speaker 1: had your V schip programmed, there would be a code
Speaker 1: and you're in the programming that would allow you to
Speaker 1: block mature content from your household if you were worried
Speaker 1: about your kids seeing it.
Speaker 2: So the phrase V.
Speaker 1: Chip was purportedly coined by then Representative Ed Marquee of Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: According to him, the V stood for violence because they
Speaker 1: were really concerned about blocking out violence. But if you
Speaker 1: asked Tim Collings, who is one of the people who
Speaker 1: claims to have invented bea chips, he says, the beastood
Speaker 1: for viewer control.
Speaker 2: Who what is the truth? I'm not sure. So parents at.
Speaker 1: That time were really really had a lot of anxiety
Speaker 1: that violent movies and violent programming that kids were consuming
Speaker 1: was linked to violent behavior. There are like I wanted
Speaker 1: to include here, like whether or not that is true.
Speaker 1: There is way too much research out there for me
Speaker 1: to summarize. Like some people are like, oh, there's a
Speaker 1: clear link. Most researchers are like, oh, the link is
Speaker 1: like needs more studying, not clear. Do you have any
Speaker 1: sense of this as somebody who enjoys horror?
Speaker 4: I am under the impression because I remember this too,
Speaker 4: especially a somebody who plays video games. This argument comes
Speaker 4: up all the time about violent video games that there
Speaker 4: has not been any like definitive link proven, And I
Speaker 4: think I found one that said, yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: not like.
Speaker 3: A lot of us who see horror movies are not
Speaker 3: a murderer. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Most of it has been kind of yeah, there's not
Speaker 4: There hasn't been any science to really back that up.
Speaker 4: But there is a lot of anxiety around it, like
Speaker 4: we were talking about before, especially around kind of parenting
Speaker 4: and like what should I let my kids watch? Is
Speaker 4: this going to make them more violence? I'm much more.
Speaker 4: I have much more knowledge about like how certain entertainment
Speaker 4: and games actually help you work through stuff for form
Speaker 4: some skills. But yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot
Speaker 4: of conversation happening and a lot of back and forth.
Speaker 6: For sure, I know around this timeframe with all the movies,
Speaker 6: as this was getting in conversation. Unfortunately, the Columbine shooting happened,
Speaker 6: and that was the biggest blame, not gun violence, not bullying,
Speaker 6: but that it was the violence on TV and the
Speaker 6: games that the kids played other the two perpetrators played,
Speaker 6: and they focus on that really hard because it seemed
Speaker 6: to fit the narrative that they've been trying to set
Speaker 6: up since the nineteen ninety five So like four years later,
Speaker 6: ninety nine was when the shooting happened, and like the
Speaker 6: conversations about bullying and the conversations about being outcasts, the
Speaker 6: conversations about gun control really was sidelined to violence on
Speaker 6: TV and violence core for video games. I remember that
Speaker 6: being a huge thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've definitely seen that. Like do you remember how
Speaker 1: the musician Brian Warner, who you might be more familiar
Speaker 1: with as a stage name Marilyn Manson, like he was
Speaker 1: really thrust into the national conversation about like what's wrong
Speaker 1: with our kids? And looking back at that time, even
Speaker 1: though my research, you know, I'm not a researcher but
Speaker 1: when I've looked into the link between violent media and
Speaker 1: violent behavior, that link does seem fuzzy at best, Like
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like there's a lot of information out
Speaker 1: there that really proves a, you know, a correlation. But
Speaker 1: I really understand how we still get so much like
Speaker 1: handwringing and anxiety about it, because if you're a parent
Speaker 1: and you're worried about your kids, you're worried it's about
Speaker 1: sending your kids to school. You can't really control the
Speaker 1: legislation around guns in the United States, right, Like we're
Speaker 1: just we've just like lost the ability of to really
Speaker 1: have any kind of like direct impact on that. I
Speaker 1: think you really can't control what's happening at your kid's
Speaker 1: school when you're not there. I think one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why you see this anxiety around media is because
Speaker 1: it feels like something you can control, Like, even if
Speaker 1: that link is not really there between violent media and
Speaker 1: violent behavior. I think that in absence of feeling like
Speaker 1: they have something they can cling to, something they can control,
Speaker 1: something they can like, it just becomes a backdrop to
Speaker 1: project your anxieties onto that. I but even if it's
Speaker 1: not really the appropriate thing to handring about I understand
Speaker 1: how it becomes like in absence of anything that you
Speaker 1: feel like you can control, you feel like you can
Speaker 1: control the kind of media that comes into your home.
Speaker 4: And one of the things I find really interesting about
Speaker 4: Scream is that in the end, almost every killer realizes this.
Speaker 4: Almost every killer comes out and says, Oh, we're gonna
Speaker 4: blame the movies.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm gonna blame this. Oh I was on Reddit
Speaker 3: and now look at me.
Speaker 4: Like they know it, and they use it, and that's
Speaker 4: what their defense is going to be in several cases,
Speaker 4: like actually the defense they're.
Speaker 3: Going to use in court. So they recognize that this
Speaker 3: is a thing.
Speaker 1: And I think it becomes like almost like a red
Speaker 1: herring where it's like, if you're so busy focused on
Speaker 1: Reddit or the movies or the this or the that, you're.
Speaker 2: Not actually focused on the real issue.
Speaker 1: And the killers in these movies they know that, and
Speaker 1: they're using that as a way to evade their accountability
Speaker 1: for their crimes or like I can just blame this.
Speaker 1: And because of all that anxiety, because of all that handwringing,
Speaker 1: my actual motives, how I've actually done this just goes overlooked, right.
Speaker 4: And It's part of the fun of these movies is
Speaker 4: they are so meta. So it's you're watching a slasher
Speaker 4: movie that's basically telling you like, yeah, we know, uh,
Speaker 4: people are going to blame us for stuff, and we're
Speaker 4: going to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Which is one of the things I love about them.
Speaker 1: Right, And so the way that the scream movies really
Speaker 1: were a commentary on the conversation around violent media that
Speaker 1: we were having at that time in the nineties plays
Speaker 1: into that so much because with technology like the V chip,
Speaker 1: the burden was shifted off of like the government or
Speaker 1: TV people who make media onto parents to be the
Speaker 1: soul controls of what kind of media their kids are consuming, right,
Speaker 1: And so like, if I'm Stu and Billy and I'm
Speaker 1: just blaming the violent movies, really what that's actually saying
Speaker 1: is like, oh, it's the parents.
Speaker 2: The parents should have like used this V chip.
Speaker 1: To block their kids from seeing prom Night or Halloween
Speaker 1: and they didn't, and now he's a killer. It was
Speaker 1: just a real way to like expertly shift.
Speaker 2: The blame around.
Speaker 1: And I think it mirrors the conversation that folks were
Speaker 1: having in the nineties. And so even though there was
Speaker 1: all this conversation and also public support around technology like
Speaker 1: the v chip that was rolled out in the end.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons.
Speaker 1: Why, like Annie, you were like V chip never heard
Speaker 1: of it is because it wasn't really being used that
Speaker 1: much by parents. A study that followed one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten families from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand found
Speaker 1: that just nine families regularly used their v chip to
Speaker 1: control mature and violent programming. I have my theories on
Speaker 1: why this is. I think setting it up was kind
Speaker 1: of cumbersome. I think a lot of parents were like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a little bit complicated.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do this.
Speaker 1: So I went back to check the different rating systems
Speaker 1: like we're most familiar with, like TVMA and things like that,
Speaker 1: but there's so many of them. There's TVY, TV Y seven, TVG, TVPG,
Speaker 1: TV fourteen, TVMA. Then inside of that there's different content
Speaker 1: descriptors right D stands for sexual or suggestive diet, L
Speaker 1: stands for course or crude language, s A, sexual situations,
Speaker 1: V is violence, SV is family violent, exclusive to the
Speaker 1: TV Y seven rating. So it's complicated as hell, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And so I can understand why parents
Speaker 1: were like, h, this is way too many acronyms.
Speaker 2: I have work in the morning. I am not setting
Speaker 2: this up.
Speaker 1: I also suspect, like, if your household was anything like
Speaker 1: my household, if you were a teen at this time,
Speaker 1: the responsibility for setting up the technology and like telecommunications
Speaker 1: in your.
Speaker 2: Home probably fell on your shoulders. Your parents were like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how to set this up. You do it.
Speaker 1: So if you're the young person who is being asked to, like, like,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be setting up parental controls on
Speaker 1: your own TV, if you are the person who is
Speaker 1: responsible for setting up how TV happens in your home right,
Speaker 1: So that's what I suspect might have been part of
Speaker 1: why this like technology just did not take off.
Speaker 6: You Know what I find funny though with that, is Yes,
Speaker 6: I was in that generation. I was a teenager when
Speaker 6: the internet came out, Like, I did not have the
Speaker 6: access to internet until I left for college because my
Speaker 6: parents were not buying the new things and at this
Speaker 6: point it was a new thing, and I would have
Speaker 6: to go to my aunt's house to use AOL. Yes,
Speaker 6: and you immediately think of that sound when you connect,
Speaker 6: and then immediately know the sound when it hangs up
Speaker 6: and you get real pissed off because someone picked up
Speaker 6: a phone. Yes, I was in that generation. I find
Speaker 6: it funny because yes, we were part of that. Me
Speaker 6: and my brother, who are around the same age, were
Speaker 6: the ones who had set it up. But even today,
Speaker 6: for my boomer parents, we have to set up any
Speaker 6: day with the smart stuff and the likelihood that we
Speaker 6: know even more so than the younger generations because they're
Speaker 6: so used to just having it around on how to
Speaker 6: get it connected, because we're like the og of all
Speaker 6: of these things. It kind of makes me laugh because
Speaker 6: somehow the genetic slash millennials are the ones who know
Speaker 6: how to set these things up more so even than
Speaker 6: most of the younger generations because they just always have
Speaker 6: had it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've actually read some really interesting research and commentary
Speaker 1: that suggests that the younger generation, like gen Z they
Speaker 1: might like because they've always had things like iPads and
Speaker 1: smartphones that are so sort of like drag and drop,
Speaker 1: so sort of like intuitive, and if you've always had them,
Speaker 1: the sort of inner machinations of like how they work
Speaker 1: and like what is being represented when you do things
Speaker 1: might be a little bit vague, a little bit vaguer
Speaker 1: to them than they are to somebody who is my age,
Speaker 1: who like grew up having to understand that kind of
Speaker 1: thing just to like make it work right, Like having
Speaker 1: to understand like when you save a file what that means,
Speaker 1: and like how to find it and all of that.
Speaker 2: None of this stuff when I.
Speaker 1: Was first using computers was like easily laid out through
Speaker 1: user like easy to navigate user interface. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of like squinting at the screen and guessing check
Speaker 1: and like it does the coding.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we only have to coding in order should get
Speaker 6: access to specific signs. You're like, what the hell is
Speaker 6: I have to control all be what?
Speaker 2: F three? What?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: But I do find it funny coming back to that
Speaker 6: when you'd have most of these classics, because when I
Speaker 6: was growing up, I watched a lot of the cheesiest
Speaker 6: seventies eighties horror movies because they were amazing and they
Speaker 6: were so bad. The effects were so bad, but it
Speaker 6: was so good because you still love that idea. I
Speaker 6: also loved the horror stories y'all know I'm talking about,
Speaker 6: like the classic horror stories, Appalachian horror stories that you
Speaker 6: came back like the scariest stories like those are the
Speaker 6: things that I grew up with and haunted me, still
Speaker 6: haunts me. I was telling I think any I had
Speaker 6: told you no mayb. Yeah, I told my partner when
Speaker 6: I was in middle school. So this was the way
Speaker 6: before y'all don't talk to me about age. We would
Speaker 6: go into like different theater companies coming perform I think
Speaker 6: I was in the fifth grade and they were supposed
Speaker 6: to do a Mark Twain show and we're like cool, cool, cool,
Speaker 6: old school and then it flipped real quick to an
Speaker 6: Edgar Allan Poe Telltale Heart. So for those of us
Speaker 6: who didn't know what was coming hearing because they would
Speaker 6: have like the surround sound of the beating heart, and
Speaker 6: it haunts me to this day. That's scary, Like that
Speaker 6: story was one of the scariest stories I've ever heard
Speaker 6: in my life. And I'm thinking back into like back
Speaker 6: to like would the kids today would that have scared
Speaker 6: them or would they have been like laughing because they're
Speaker 6: like what is that?
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 6: Because in my mind, like it was scary as hell.
Speaker 6: I've been realizing how technology has quickly changed and how
Speaker 6: like the graphics have changed, and again, yeah, people don't
Speaker 6: even understand what the phone is, like, why would you
Speaker 6: why would you have to connect to what's the landline?
Speaker 6: Why do you have to do what is with the pressing?
Speaker 6: Why can't they just like call a number or say
Speaker 6: Siri call this thing? Like it's quite funny to me
Speaker 6: that I'm like, yeah, y'all probably don't understand how scary
Speaker 6: it really was.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh.
Speaker 1: Do you ever watch a horror movie like from like
Speaker 1: the nineties or beyond and you're like, why doesn't she
Speaker 1: just use her cell phone to call her help?
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh wait, it's like a huge phone.
Speaker 1: In Scream, there is that like the scene where it
Speaker 1: sets the audience up to think Billy is the killer
Speaker 1: and a self because a cell phone drops out of
Speaker 1: his pocket and it's like a cell phone why? And
Speaker 1: the cops are like, why do you have a cell phone?
Speaker 1: And he's like, people have them now, like it was
Speaker 1: so unusual for somebody to just have a cell phone.
Speaker 3: Yes, nothing, you're rich or you're up to no good.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like the pages of the like Mint.
Speaker 2: Immediately you were you were no good exactly.
Speaker 3: Bridget you need to watch all the rest of the
Speaker 3: screen movies. It just keep updating us because the newer
Speaker 3: ones have things with like Siri and you're ring camera
Speaker 3: and like using voice commands and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So would you say that Scream is one of the
Speaker 1: more tech savvy horror franchises.
Speaker 4: I yeah, I would say that, But I also don't
Speaker 4: have that kind of stuff, so I never talked to
Speaker 4: Syria and I don't use ring.
Speaker 3: But I think so, I mean, at.
Speaker 4: Least like it's definitely addressing the question of, oh, hey,
Speaker 4: this is the world we live in now. I think
Speaker 4: the fifth one as a whole thing about like Netflix
Speaker 4: and Reddit and fandom in that way. So I mean
Speaker 4: they are definitely at least engaging in this is the
Speaker 4: technology that we have, and this is how we think
Speaker 4: it would impact or fuel this horror story that we're telling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really interesting when horror movies use
Speaker 1: technology as a way to like buttress whatever story or
Speaker 1: message you know, they're trying to tell, which.
Speaker 2: I feel like Scream definitely does.
Speaker 1: So after this V chip technology is put in place,
Speaker 1: television programs are then rated for how much like ricey
Speaker 1: or mature content they contain, and so to give parents
Speaker 1: ostensibly the power to like block their kids from them,
Speaker 1: even though parents aren't really doing this. However, the news
Speaker 1: news programming was exempt from these ratings, and so there
Speaker 1: was no way to block the news from your home.
Speaker 1: Using this technology just sort of like giving it a
Speaker 1: pass to.
Speaker 2: Come into people's homes.
Speaker 1: This coincided with news media becoming more and more solidified
Speaker 1: as a form of like always on entertainment, starting famously
Speaker 1: with CNN as like the first twenty four hour news network,
Speaker 1: later with Fox News and MSNBC. According to NPR media
Speaker 1: reporter David Folkenflick, the subsequent arrival of Fox at MSNBC,
Speaker 1: it made nineteen ninety six a seminal year for cable news.
Speaker 1: Remember that in the nineties you had these like big,
Speaker 1: splashy gory crimes that played out in the news. Nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four you get Oj Simpson, nineteen ninety three, you
Speaker 1: get Loraina Bobbitt. The murder of Scott Amador in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, who folks don't know who that is. He
Speaker 1: was shot and murdered after an appearance on the tabloid
Speaker 1: show The Jenny Jones Show, where he revealed his secret
Speaker 1: crush on a man who later shot and killed him
Speaker 1: and used gay panic as his defense during his trial.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, in a piece called how Scream
Speaker 1: Explored the exploitative nature of nightly news, the Smithsonian Magazine
Speaker 1: spoke to Jamie L. Flexen, a profess served criminology and
Speaker 1: criminal justice at Florida International University, who said the onslaught
Speaker 1: of around the clock coverage of bizarre, outlier incidents powerfully
Speaker 1: shaped americans perceptions of crime, saying, I believe because of this,
Speaker 1: society is much more afraid. The boogeyman does exist in
Speaker 1: this way an interaction between the human condition and the
Speaker 1: business of media amid a context of exploring rare situations
Speaker 1: to symbolize problems. And honestly, despite all of the anxieties
Speaker 1: and handering about violent media and violent crime and the
Speaker 1: anxieties around it, violent crime was famously down in the
Speaker 1: nineties during this time where people were so concerned about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think one of the things Scream does
Speaker 4: also is that it this was before true crime had
Speaker 4: really taken off. People were still fans of it, but
Speaker 4: there was no Netflix yet, there was no places where
Speaker 4: it could bringe it yet. But there's a point where
Speaker 4: as the daughter of this woman who had been murdered,
Speaker 4: that people are constantly talking about, like constantly kind of
Speaker 4: sharing their theories like, oh no, you're wrong, you lied
Speaker 4: about her. There's a point where she like vocalizes this
Speaker 4: this fear that she has that if she says something
Speaker 4: like out of place, they will blame her dad, because
Speaker 4: it's usually the like husband or the like. She has
Speaker 4: this in her head that there are people watching her
Speaker 4: her story what has happened, and trying to dissect it
Speaker 4: and having to like live with Okay, I really don't
Speaker 4: want them to think it was my dad, which feels
Speaker 4: like now watching it, almost like premonition or something like it.
Speaker 3: It was very on point with that.
Speaker 4: And then going back to something you said earlier, Bridget,
Speaker 4: the second one spoilers the one of the killers is
Speaker 4: Billy Loomis's mother. Oh yes, and she has a whole
Speaker 4: speech that's like they always blame the mother and she
Speaker 4: did do it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's why they're lighting her because she did it.
Speaker 3: But it was interesting because it's like they were it
Speaker 3: was her.
Speaker 4: And then Timothy Olifant's character Mickey, who was like, I'm
Speaker 4: going to blame the movies and she was like, I
Speaker 4: never believe that defense never wants she kills Mickey. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: I just am so upset about what happened to my
Speaker 4: son and that you did it. But like that idea
Speaker 4: of you know, that story that we want to believe
Speaker 4: or that it's being told that we're seeing in our media,
Speaker 4: that they really because I mean, I could go on
Speaker 4: and odd, so Mantha knows. Like the fourth one is
Speaker 4: all about true crime as well. The fifth one's all
Speaker 4: about fandom, and in fact, one of the actors went
Speaker 4: on to Reddit to learn about toxic fandom to play
Speaker 4: a role in there. But also like going back to
Speaker 4: the internet was just becoming really big for a lot
Speaker 4: of us around the time this movie came out. And
Speaker 4: just for a fun fact, this is one of the
Speaker 4: first movies that had they were worried about spoilers, so
Speaker 4: they wrote different scripts after the first one because they
Speaker 4: got leaked online. And so it's really interesting in that
Speaker 4: way too, of like, and they even talk about it
Speaker 4: in the third one about how they have multiple scripts
Speaker 4: and they don't know which one the murderer is following.
Speaker 6: As I said, Annie's Annie's as an expert on all things.
Speaker 6: But you know how they went back to she is
Speaker 6: she don't. I don't think she doesn't already know. She's
Speaker 6: already she's already read the article. I know I read
Speaker 6: this a while ago.
Speaker 2: I was exactly.
Speaker 6: But you know, one of the things coming back to
Speaker 6: how like news had become a whole thing. I would
Speaker 6: just remember, like the eighties, late eighties and nineties were
Speaker 6: filled with like unsolved mysteries. Rescue nine one one was
Speaker 6: a regularly played at our house, and that started in
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty nine. And then you also had things like
Speaker 6: the Top ten most Wanted, which was like talking about
Speaker 6: that boogeyman that comes around. But there also had been
Speaker 6: that moment where news anchors were getting Pulitzers or being
Speaker 6: big storytellers so they could solve a crime and do
Speaker 6: it while on air. They would get these accolades, and
Speaker 6: I remember that being a huge thing. Barbara Walters was
Speaker 6: huge at that point in time. Sixty Minutes, which is
Speaker 6: still going, but like that was coming on huge because
Speaker 6: they would follow people like oh Ja Simpson and then
Speaker 6: have that exclusive interview into the behind the scenes. Lorena Bobbitt,
Speaker 6: I remember this case specifically because the husband came on
Speaker 6: talking about his thing and had his huge thing of fame,
Speaker 6: like so many things now, Like Lorena Bobbit wasn't so
Speaker 6: bad in my mind back then, yeah, but today I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: I get it. I don't condone what she did, but
Speaker 6: I'm just saying I get it. But like the early nineties,
Speaker 6: which this is that it is if you look back,
Speaker 6: I didn't about it then obviously, but it was going
Speaker 6: after those reporters who are just willing to like crawl
Speaker 6: over all of the victims, which has become a circus
Speaker 6: today and there is a huge different, whole different conversation
Speaker 6: and now as a podcast, But that was really kind
Speaker 6: of that beginning of like, oh, they want to see
Speaker 6: the gory details, they want to know the depth of
Speaker 6: depravity of men, and then if we can say it
Speaker 6: in a perfect story to haunt everyone, we're going to
Speaker 6: be famous.
Speaker 2: And you even see that in Scream with Gail.
Speaker 1: You know, she's writing a book about the death of
Speaker 1: Sydney's mom and has kind of gotten personally involved in
Speaker 1: the case, advocating for the innocence of Cotton, the person
Speaker 1: who's been charged with her mom's death. And it's clear
Speaker 1: that she's not doing this because she like like maybe
Speaker 1: she genuinely believes that he's innocent, but when she's talking
Speaker 1: about it, she says.
Speaker 2: If I'm right, I could save this man's life. Do
Speaker 2: you know that what that would do for my book sales? Again,
Speaker 2: iicnic wine from.
Speaker 1: Gail Weathers on this one, But I do think that
Speaker 1: that that I don't mean that you're explaining Sam about
Speaker 1: how the news media felt. Then is what scream Is
Speaker 1: is meant to be a commentary on so Screams writers
Speaker 1: Adam White and Michelle Delgado said that scream Is meant
Speaker 1: to be an exploration of this exploitative nature of tabloid
Speaker 1: news that minds people's worst and most traumatic moments for entertainment,
Speaker 1: but doing so under the guise of like informing the
Speaker 1: publics through news, and it highlights this kind of interesting
Speaker 1: inconsistency we saw in media at the time, that the
Speaker 1: news could cover the minutia of these gory, splashy cases
Speaker 1: and do so in a way that was exempt from
Speaker 1: this government VAT chip rating, But had those plotlines been
Speaker 1: happening on an episode of like melrose Place, they would
Speaker 1: be rated as mature. I think this moral inconsistency that
Speaker 1: we saw in media was exactly what Scream was speaking to,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Scream teens are scolded for watching
Speaker 1: too many gore slashier movies. All of this happening while
Speaker 1: Gail Weathers and these other their news anchors are really
Speaker 1: like essentially stalking and surveilling these teenagers to breathlessly and
Speaker 1: relentlessly cover the the minutia of this trauma they're experiencing
Speaker 1: under the guise of being like, well, the public has
Speaker 1: a right to know.
Speaker 4: Right, And it's no we talk about this all the
Speaker 4: time when it comes to horror movies. Kind of that
Speaker 4: how it reflects what we're anxious about is a society,
Speaker 4: but also kind of that judgment of like who is
Speaker 4: the who's going to be the victim here? Those rules
Speaker 4: that Randy lays out of like don't have sex, don't
Speaker 4: do drugs, all that stuff. So it built it also
Speaker 4: feels very like these older people are watching these younger
Speaker 4: people and like, yeah, you should have listened to me.
Speaker 3: You deserved that, and now I'm going to put it
Speaker 3: on the news and make money about it.
Speaker 4: Like it's it's very Oh, you are a young person
Speaker 4: who's basically living their life, but she shouldn't have done that,
Speaker 4: and now you're dead and that's that's your fault.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very voyeuristic, and I think I think Scream
Speaker 1: really does a good job also of like I don't
Speaker 1: know asking the question of like sure, Gail Weathers is
Speaker 1: not out here murdering teens, but she is making money
Speaker 1: off of that. She's profiting off of that personally, so like, sure,
Speaker 1: she she may not be a murderer herself, but is
Speaker 1: she really that much better than whoever is murdering these teens?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I love like, I love how every time Gail
Speaker 4: Weathers has this thing, there's something you have to appreciate
Speaker 4: as women, because we're always told like ambitious women are
Speaker 4: terrible that we were watching Gil Weathers. You're like, yes,
Speaker 4: go get it, Gail. But like every movie ends with
Speaker 4: her realizing like, oh, I've lost all.
Speaker 3: Of my friends. Maybe I should And then the next
Speaker 3: movie starts, She's backward.
Speaker 2: She's I'm so buddy brought this up. This is why
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: This is why I like I ride for Gailee Weathers
Speaker 1: in this movie and then the other screen movies that
Speaker 1: I've seen, is that I feel like the movie is
Speaker 1: setting us up to be like, Wow, what an annoying, conniving,
Speaker 1: She's gonna have a gory death and really get hers
Speaker 1: and won't that be great?
Speaker 2: But Gail Weathers always comes out on top. And not
Speaker 2: only does she come out on.
Speaker 1: Top, she doesn't learn a damn thing. By the next movie,
Speaker 1: whatever lesson you think has been internalized by.
Speaker 2: Gail, she's back and worse. And I love that.
Speaker 1: I love when this is just like I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I wanted to try to like connect this to some
Speaker 1: larger like moralistic thing of like it's feminist to like
Speaker 1: it when like women are is actually I just like.
Speaker 2: Think that's cool.
Speaker 1: I just personally like to see when a female character
Speaker 1: doesn't really learn anything and like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like is it so wrong that Gail Weathers wants her Pulitzer?
Speaker 1: Like is it so wrong that she cares about her career?
Speaker 1: And like it's kind of going to exploit some teens
Speaker 1: to get there.
Speaker 6: I mean, the few movies that I actually thinks to Annie,
Speaker 6: I've seen more than.
Speaker 3: I think you've seen. Everyone but the newest one.
Speaker 6: The newest one, Yeah, has made that this is her gift.
Speaker 6: I will say, when she's in crunch, she's gonna help out,
Speaker 6: like she's gonna be there. She's got her back, she's
Speaker 6: gonna take the perpetrator out. She's going, she's gonna, she's
Speaker 6: gonna fight. So when it counts, she's there. And then
Speaker 6: she don't get her She saves.
Speaker 1: She saves, the saves the day like and also it
Speaker 1: really you don't count out Gaie Weathers. You might think
Speaker 1: she's dead in that van. She might look man, but
Speaker 1: don't cut out Gaale Weathers.
Speaker 3: She'll be right back. She'll She's got nine lives. That's
Speaker 3: the joke.
Speaker 2: Does she is? She?
Speaker 6: Is? She?
Speaker 2: In the most recent Scream Yes, Oh thank god?
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: I also like in the fifth one, it opens with
Speaker 4: Dewey like drinking at nine am and he's watching Good
Speaker 4: Morning America and she's on there and she's like talking
Speaker 4: about how bad her hair used to be, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: good for you, Gail.
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I as much as I love the
Speaker 1: like horror women in horror movie tropes like Final Girl,
Speaker 1: I would read a deep dive analysis of like g
Speaker 1: you know, character that we're supposed to hate, but like
Speaker 1: actually we kind of love. I you know, if you
Speaker 1: ever see like there's a I think there are a
Speaker 1: lot of them horror movies, Like if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: it's not a horror movie, I guess it's a thriller.
Speaker 1: But the hand that rocks the Cradle, I think it's
Speaker 1: Julianne Moore's character, who's like the smart mouthed, like bad
Speaker 1: real estate lady in a House of Wax. I remember
Speaker 1: famously that Paris Halton is kind of the annoying friend
Speaker 1: and House of Wax, and they really make a meal out.
Speaker 2: Of her murder in that movie. They really like, are really.
Speaker 1: Excited to kill Paris Halted in a gruesome way in
Speaker 1: that movie because she's like the annoying girl in the movie.
Speaker 4: One thing I do like about Gail Weathers, though, is
Speaker 4: like I like gil Weather's That makes it sound like
Speaker 4: I don't. But one thing I like about it is
Speaker 4: that her and Sidney have this really adversarial relationship. They
Speaker 4: become friends and they still fight, and I like that
Speaker 4: they show that they still show like there's a because
Speaker 4: Gail still wants the story of Sydney and Sydney is
Speaker 4: still like no, that's but they are still friends. So
Speaker 4: I like that it kind of plays out that way
Speaker 4: that eventually you're like, oh no, they're buddies, and they
Speaker 4: show up for each other and they have.
Speaker 2: A complex relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like showing they've been through a lot together,
Speaker 1: so they're not like braiding each other's hair, but when
Speaker 1: it matters, they stick up for each other.
Speaker 2: When it matters.
Speaker 1: Gales out of that van with a gun, ready to
Speaker 1: save the day, like, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm like so
Speaker 1: like in deep in this converse.
Speaker 6: I know from the beginning, I told you from.
Speaker 3: The beginning, and.
Speaker 2: It's just a really I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: where to go with this.
Speaker 1: I think Scream really they were onto something about making
Speaker 1: a commentary about media anxieties and anxieties around violence. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that it's had such an enduring
Speaker 1: legacy of making commentary for like a decade now, Like
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Scream came out in nineteen ninety six. The most recent
Speaker 2: one was what two thousand.
Speaker 3: And twenty two. Yeah, so like like last year, a decade's.
Speaker 1: Long legacy of commenting on our collective anxieties around technology
Speaker 1: and media and violence and our behavior.
Speaker 2: And I think you know that iconic line that.
Speaker 1: Billy says in the first movie where I think it's
Speaker 1: Sydney like you've seen one too many movies, and Billy
Speaker 1: is like, movies don't create psychos, movies make psychos more creative.
Speaker 1: And to me, that's like the ultimate encapsulation of the
Speaker 1: entire anxiety and conversation of like, well, is it the movies,
Speaker 1: is it the media, is it the content, or is
Speaker 1: it something else that these these movies are just allowing
Speaker 1: for more creativity or more you know, a smoke screen
Speaker 1: to like have people do more crimes and have more
Speaker 1: violent behavior. Like that line I think really reveals the
Speaker 1: ultimate anxiety that I think Scream is really commenting on.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I think like every movie has some version
Speaker 4: of that where it ends with oh, I'm going to
Speaker 4: blame the movies and it allows them to.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean essentially they've found that they can do this.
Speaker 4: They believe they can get away with it through this,
Speaker 4: But it's so many other things like it is. I
Speaker 4: think a lot of this also boils down to you
Speaker 4: we can't just give one reason. There's not just one thing,
Speaker 4: Like maybe you did get on Reddit and it didn't
Speaker 4: go well for you, but that can't be like the
Speaker 4: only thing like for that, Reddit has to have existed
Speaker 4: in the first place, And you also have a character
Speaker 4: like Randy, who is so into horror movies. He's the
Speaker 4: one that lays out the rules and he is not
Speaker 4: a killer at all, Like he has consumed all of
Speaker 4: this stuff, maybe even more, and he isn't a killer.
Speaker 4: So I think it's interesting that they also have sort
Speaker 4: of a foil for all of these like killers, who
Speaker 4: are the movies made me?
Speaker 6: Did it?
Speaker 3: And then you see Randy and these not at all.
Speaker 3: But also it is funny that they always have this
Speaker 3: laying out of the rules scene, and in the most
Speaker 3: recent one they were like, oh, no, we're in a franchise.
Speaker 3: Like that's how big it's gotten. It's a sequel, it's
Speaker 3: a trilogy, and now it's oh, franchised, that's hilarious. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it has endured to the point that, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a franchise.
Speaker 1: And I think ultimately, like that's my point is that
Speaker 1: violence is such a complex issue, Like we've been handwringing
Speaker 1: about how we curb and combat violence for so long
Speaker 1: that these tidy explanations reddit violent movies, violent media, watching
Speaker 1: the O. J. Simpson trial on the news, whatever, this
Speaker 1: don't work. And I think that ultimately, like that is
Speaker 1: what the film is trying to show that interpersonal violence
Speaker 1: is always more complicated than that, always more complex than that.
Speaker 1: So if somebody is trying to sell you like this
Speaker 1: is this is the reason that person is is perhaps
Speaker 1: not bringing the nuance to the conversation that it deserves.
Speaker 2: I think that maybe like that is what Scream is
Speaker 2: ultimately trying to tell us.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 4: I absolutely agree, because again, every every movie has this
Speaker 4: like moment, like almost montage where you believe it's every
Speaker 4: person at once, right, like oh it's you, Oh it's you,
Speaker 4: because there are all these complex reasons or why people
Speaker 4: might do it, and yeah, just the like simple Oh
Speaker 4: they watched a lot of horror movies. It just it
Speaker 4: doesn't work. And that's never how it is. I've seen
Speaker 4: these movies a lot.
Speaker 3: That's not how it goes.
Speaker 2: Scholar in Residence Annie Reese, Yeah, oh what a day.
Speaker 3: You've brightened my day.
Speaker 2: It's just so fun to talk about horror movies.
Speaker 1: Like everybody in my life knows that, Like if you
Speaker 1: let me go off on, Like, my my favorite piece
Speaker 1: of horror growing up and still today is Tales from
Speaker 1: the Crypt. I've seen every episode when I was a
Speaker 1: kid I used to do. I do an impression of
Speaker 1: the crypt Keeper that like my brother who would like
Speaker 1: die of laughter in person in the Cryptkeeper. It's just
Speaker 1: so fun to talk about horror, and like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we should get more than one month a year to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: You are welcome back anytime to talk about horror. I
Speaker 3: feel bad.
Speaker 4: I feel like I just went on and on, but
Speaker 4: I have you know, I could keep going, but then
Speaker 4: none of us would get of here.
Speaker 2: Should we do? We should do a part two on
Speaker 2: Scream two.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think this is like third episode for us
Speaker 6: on a stream.
Speaker 3: Fourth But there's so good to say about every one
Speaker 3: of them. Though, second one's blame the Mother, third one's
Speaker 3: Harvey one, dude, The fourth one is true crime and women,
Speaker 3: and then the fifth one is fandom. The sixth one
Speaker 3: is trauma.
Speaker 2: That's going to be the seventh one Trump. I think.
Speaker 3: I think the seventh one is gonna be Oh, because
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: Sidney Prescott wasn't in the most recent one because of
Speaker 4: contract they didn't want to pay.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I think she's gonna be in the next one, So
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be some kind of like, Oh,
Speaker 3: she is gonna be the next one. There, it sounds
Speaker 3: like it. They haven't finalized.
Speaker 6: They got a lot of backlash for not having her on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the next screen will be that the real
Speaker 1: killer will be predatory contracts, lock you.
Speaker 2: In for years.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would love it. I would find
Speaker 3: some way to talk about it all the show.
Speaker 6: Like, uh, honestly, we haven't done a second of the
Speaker 6: New New War franchise.
Speaker 4: Oh I do have a lot of thoughts about that one.
Speaker 4: That one has a lot of bait and switches that
Speaker 4: I have a lot of thoughts about, Like, oh, I
Speaker 4: know the killer.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I don't.
Speaker 6: I mean, we could do an emergency episode the three
Speaker 6: of us, the three of us watch one of the
Speaker 6: other screams and go to tall.
Speaker 1: I'm here for that.
Speaker 6: We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2: Yes, if you make it. Who's gonna be the final girl?
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't say, don't say the line. You know what
Speaker 3: it is, don't do it anyway.
Speaker 2: I'll be right back.
Speaker 3: Y'all are racist, So.
Speaker 6: I feel like the prediction would be Annie, but you
Speaker 6: know whatever, Oh wow, I feel like i'd be the
Speaker 6: first one to go for some reason, like Asian women
Speaker 6: are seeing as like really trashy Asian fetishists love right.
Speaker 6: So unless it's an Asian horror movie, then I'm the
Speaker 6: one that's killing.
Speaker 1: And maybe you've got like one streak in your hair, like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a she's got a red streak in her hair.
Speaker 2: That's how you know she's a bad.
Speaker 6: If it's not all yeah, if it's not all pink,
Speaker 6: then it's death or purple. Then I'm definitely at the
Speaker 6: one streak, and I'm definitely become possessive with everyone. If
Speaker 6: it's we're doing an agent level a horror.
Speaker 3: Movie, oh man, I'm so into this. I'm into it
Speaker 3: however it works out.
Speaker 4: I definitely want to hear your thoughts one way or another, Bridget,
Speaker 4: when you watch the rest of them, because for.
Speaker 3: The rest of perhaps obviously.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts. I'm gonna watch watch
Speaker 2: them from now the next Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm like legitimately excited. Oh wow, Yeah, this was
Speaker 4: so delightful. So thank you as always, Bridget for coming on.
Speaker 4: We love having you.
Speaker 3: Where can the good listeners find you?
Speaker 2: You can find me on my pod there are no
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