1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Toad and this 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: is there are No Girls on the Internet. 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Happy Halloween. Halloween is my favorite holiday. 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Yes, I am one of those people who starts preparing 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: for spooky season even while we're still solidly in summer. 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: I live for a horror movie, and I think there's 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: just something about how horror is able to do sharp, 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: sadhire or social commentary against the backdrop of a spooky story. 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: So when I sat down to rewatch the nineteen ninety 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: six horror classic Scream last week, a movie that I 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: had not seen since I was a kid, I realize 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: this is a movie that is desperately trying to tell 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: us something about our collective rights around media and technology. 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: I joined my friend Samantha and Scream scholar in residence 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Annie over at the podcast Stuff Mom Ever told you 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: to discusse how Scream is a commentary on all of 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: our collective tech and media anxieties. 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 2: So listen if you dare. 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: I do think that there's something about anxiety around technology 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: communication systems. How many scary movies had the trope of 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: like the phone's gone dead, or like some bit of 23 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: technology that we maybe don't fully understand or don't fully 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: respect or appreciate coming back to get us. Like that 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: is a common I believe, like a common trope that 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: is really related to our anxieties collectively around technology, particularly 27 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: new technology, or like over reliance on technology that really 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: sets us up for a kind of horror situation. 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 4: Uh, And I've noticed there's like a whole new ish 31 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 4: genre of like movies like Unfriended or movies about like 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: social media and these kind of technologies that are part 33 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: of our everyday lives. It's also interesting to see other 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 4: movies like Missing or Searching where they're trying to explain 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: because a lot of horror movies, Yeah, it's like, oh, 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 4: the phone's not working, really like trying to explain how 37 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 4: technology can fit into that or how it doesn't and 38 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: can't or yeah that dependents on it. 39 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. 40 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: So I just watched on the plane to Berlin, I 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: watched Missing, and I also I haven't seen Missing. It 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: takes place almost entirely through screens, and so you're watching 43 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: someone's laptop. You're watching like they're having a video chat 44 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: with somebody. They're they're messaging somebody like you're watching security 45 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: footage from a screen, like the whole thing takes place 46 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: on a computer. And I also there is like a 47 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: thing that I'm really interested in, mostly because I really 48 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: like she the movies that are kind of like trying 49 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: to make a social commentary but it's actually kind of funny, 50 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: just like Scream. 51 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: So I watched this movie The Influencer recently. 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: Which I thought I didn't love, but like is about 53 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: anxiety when it comes to people who share their whole 54 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: lives on social media. Another one that I watched that's 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: kind of similar to that is Sissy. 56 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: Have you seen that? 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 3: We just did that? 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: As okay, what thing? 59 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 4: It made me think a lot about it stuck with me, 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 4: I will say, yeah, yeah, it was definitely one of 61 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: those where I left like, uh, that did not resolve 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: how I would have wanted it to resolve. But you know, 63 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: the kind of making money off drama thing, which I 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: know we're also going to talk about in here, left 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 4: me unsettled. 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, and I will say, like to set 67 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: up this conversation, the reason why I wanted to talk 68 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: about this today is that I watched Scream, the first 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: one the original from nineteen eighty six yesterday and I 70 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, you know this is a movie that 71 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: is really about the anxiety around technology and media. 72 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: Right I had seen Scream. 73 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: Maybe I saw it when it first came out when 74 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: I was like a child, but when I don't, I've 75 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: only seen it twice in my life. The first time 76 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: I saw it when it first came out, a lot 77 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: of the commentary about media and technology and tropes was 78 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: really over my head because I was a child. Watching 79 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: it yesterday, I was really struck by how this movie 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: is really a commentary about the anxieties people were facing 81 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: in the nineties around media. So I should say right 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 1: off the bat, I saw Scream three in the theater 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: with my friends. I think I must have seen Scream two, 84 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: like partially on television every now and then, because I 85 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: remember the Jata Peketts Smith part viscerally. So, but I 86 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: don't think I've seen the whole thing because I'm looking 87 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: at the plot on Wikipedia and I'm like, none of 88 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: this seems familiar to me. 89 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: Oh dear, I love Scream too. This is filmed in Georgia, 90 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: Agnes Scott. 91 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: Made in Georgia. Have you ever seen that? 92 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: At the end of shows. No, okay, it's what they 93 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: say at the end of bad Reality TV when they've 94 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: been filmed in Georgia. 95 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, well, yeah, I'm so excited to have this conversation. 96 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 4: And the second one definitely plays into to this, so 97 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: does the Force one. 98 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: I'm excited. Let's yeah, let's get into it. 99 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: Okay. So, if you have not seen Scream, the first one, 100 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: this conversation might have some spoilers, but like, it came 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: out in nineteen ninety six, so you know, what are 102 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: you doing? 103 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: But having watched it, I was just really struck by 104 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: the ways in which it is like a commentary on 105 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: the anxiety that folks have around youth and media. So 106 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: the rough plot outline of Scream, actually, any as our 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: scream kind of sword? Do you want to hit us 108 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: with the plot? The plot outline? 109 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Yeah. So Scream is 110 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: like many slasher movies that follows a group of high 111 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: students and the movie opens with a very violent death 112 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 4: scene Drew barrymore by the way that traumatize me and 113 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: introduces you to the killer, who asks, like, what is 114 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 4: your favorite scary movie? Quizzes Drew Barrymore's character Casey about 115 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 4: what it is, and then from there, of course, we 116 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: get various other deaths. The Rose McGowan's garage death also 117 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: stuck with me, but but yeah, It's one of the 118 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: things I love about Scream is you're following this group 119 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 4: of kids and they really make you suspect everybody. But 120 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 4: as a story kind of unfolds, you learn that the 121 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 4: main character, Sidney, her mom had been murdered and she 122 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: had testified about it, and it was this guy caught 123 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 4: and weary. 124 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: The names are also great in this movie. They really are, 125 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: They really really are. 126 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 4: And there's also some media happening around that in Courtney 127 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 4: Cox's character Gail Weathers, who is this like really ambitious reporter, 128 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 4: is in town and trying to ask her ask Sidney 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 4: get an interview with her about all of that. And 130 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: then we have our character Dewey played by David Arquette, 131 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: who had a crush on from this movie, who is 132 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: like the deputy of the town. So you've got all 133 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: these characters and they're just sort of slowly dying off 134 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: or friends of theirs on the proof we are anyway, 135 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: and our character Randy is sort of our meta commentary guy. 136 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: He is the guy who has seen all the horror movies, 137 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: and he is the one who lays out the rules 138 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: of surviving a horror movie, which at this point there's 139 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: a killer around, so they're kind of joking that they're 140 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: in one. Every screen movie has a party in it, 141 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: so they go to this party even though there's a curfew, 142 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: even though there's a killer. 143 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: It makes no. 144 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: Sense, like being stopped. 145 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: Dewey, as the deputy, has been told like by his 146 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: higher up, like make sure she stays safe. 147 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: So then in the next. 148 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: Scene, he's literally dropping her off at a party and 149 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: like be like, Okay, we'll have. 150 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: Fun, right, But he's trying to He's got a crush 151 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: on Gail, who he knows will be there, and they 152 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 4: kind of form a. 153 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: Duo Mary Gale life at the time. 154 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 4: At the time, Yes, and Gail leaves this camera inside 155 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 4: the party to spy on the kids, which is really 156 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: funny because it's like a fifteen second delay or whatever 157 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: becomes important later. But Randy lays out the rules of 158 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: like you can never have sex, you can never do drugs, 159 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 4: you never say I'll be back, you won't be back, 160 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 4: You'll be dead. And then we see kind of people 161 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 4: drinking and dying, people having sex and then almost dying. 162 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: But all these things is build up, and then it's 163 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 4: kind of hinted that it's her dad who is the killer, 164 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 4: but there's been this through line of her boyfriend Billy 165 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: who's been pressuring her to have sex, and no, you 166 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: don't do that if you want to survive a horror movie. 167 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 4: And she also has to hang up around it because 168 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 4: her mother, after she died, all this commentary was she 169 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: was a slut and deserved it, so she has a 170 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 4: real hang up about it, understandably, and she eventually is like, Okay, 171 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 4: I want to have sex. 172 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 3: I really want to. 173 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 4: They have sex, and then it's revealed he is the killer, 174 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: along with his friend Stu Matthew Lillard, and that they 175 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 4: also killed her mom because they Billy blamed Sydney's mom 176 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 4: for why his parents got divorced, so it wasn't Cotton Weary, 177 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 4: it was Billy Loomis. And then they say that we're 178 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: gonna blame the movies. We're gonna blame the movies. But 179 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 4: then Sydney like steals their little voice vocoder thing and 180 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 4: comes out and basically kills them with the help of 181 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: Gail's returned after her cameraman was murdered and reports on 182 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: the w whole scene as a I think it's Moby 183 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 4: plays Yes movie. 184 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: That was a really great rundown the character Gail Weathers. 185 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: When I first saw Scream as a young person, I 186 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: didn't really so I've always liked bad characters, like not 187 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: necessarily the like the like ultimate villain, Like I didn't 188 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: like Billion stew but like characters. 189 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: That are meant to be bratty or annoying or dee. 190 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: I've always been like, that's the character that I liked, 191 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: And so I was obsessed with her character, her little suits. 192 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: I thought she was so cool. I guess I like 193 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: took away all of the. 194 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: Wrong messages from this movie because I then grew up 195 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,479 Speaker 1: wanting to be like a careerist, a career woman's journalist, ballbuster. 196 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: She also had a lot of the good lines were hers, Like, 197 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: she really had good one liners, so that you have 198 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: set the scene beautifully. 199 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: So when Scream first debuted in nineteen ninety six, the 200 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 2: country was really engaged in this like national dialogue about 201 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: the impact of violence in media on youth. In nineteen 202 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: ninety six, President Clinton signs the Telecommunications Act of nineteen 203 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: ninety six, legislation that has gone on to shape a 204 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: lot of our internet and media landscape even today. It 205 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: was a huge change in the telecommunications law because it 206 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: was the very first time that the Internet had been 207 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: included in like broadcasting. A lot in net right was 208 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: being was being legislated. 209 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Of, like how they were metering it out and how 210 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: people could access it and all that. So as part 211 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: of this legislation, the Clinton administration rolled out technology called 212 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: the V chip. 213 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: Do you remember the V chip? 214 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: I don't remember the V chip. 215 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: It was kind of. 216 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: A blit in our I guess tech and media landscape, 217 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: Like I remember a lot of conversation about it, like 218 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: on television and in you know, with lawmakers. But ultimately 219 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: it had a pretty a relatively like small impact, which 220 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: we'll talk about in distant moments. So if you don't 221 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: know what the V chip is, the V chip was 222 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: technology meant to allow parents to block like racing or 223 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: mature content from televisions. Television's manufactured in the United States 224 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: market since January two thousand were required to have vship technology. 225 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: So V chips worked by allowing your TV to receive 226 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: a special code in the broadcast signal that was broadcasting 227 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: shows and movies that indicated a rating of what kind 228 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: of program that was and like whether or not it 229 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: was suitable for different audiences. So you know when you 230 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: watch TV now and you see up in the corner 231 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: that little black and white logo like TVMA or TV 232 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: why that is related to V chips, right, So like 233 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: TVMA would be content that is mature. So if you 234 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: had your V schip programmed, there would be a code 235 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: and you're in the programming that would allow you to 236 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: block mature content from your household if you were worried 237 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: about your kids seeing it. 238 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: So the phrase V. 239 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: Chip was purportedly coined by then Representative Ed Marquee of Massachusetts. 240 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: According to him, the V stood for violence because they 241 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: were really concerned about blocking out violence. But if you 242 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: asked Tim Collings, who is one of the people who 243 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: claims to have invented bea chips, he says, the beastood 244 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: for viewer control. 245 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: Who what is the truth? I'm not sure. So parents at. 246 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: That time were really really had a lot of anxiety 247 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: that violent movies and violent programming that kids were consuming 248 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: was linked to violent behavior. There are like I wanted 249 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: to include here, like whether or not that is true. 250 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: There is way too much research out there for me 251 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: to summarize. Like some people are like, oh, there's a 252 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: clear link. Most researchers are like, oh, the link is 253 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: like needs more studying, not clear. Do you have any 254 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: sense of this as somebody who enjoys horror? 255 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 4: I am under the impression because I remember this too, 256 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 4: especially a somebody who plays video games. This argument comes 257 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: up all the time about violent video games that there 258 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 4: has not been any like definitive link proven, And I 259 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 4: think I found one that said, yeah, I mean, it's 260 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: not like. 261 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: A lot of us who see horror movies are not 262 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: a murderer. I don't know. 263 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: Most of it has been kind of yeah, there's not 264 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 4: There hasn't been any science to really back that up. 265 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: But there is a lot of anxiety around it, like 266 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: we were talking about before, especially around kind of parenting 267 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: and like what should I let my kids watch? Is 268 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 4: this going to make them more violence? I'm much more. 269 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: I have much more knowledge about like how certain entertainment 270 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: and games actually help you work through stuff for form 271 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: some skills. But yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot 272 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: of conversation happening and a lot of back and forth. 273 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 6: For sure, I know around this timeframe with all the movies, 274 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 6: as this was getting in conversation. Unfortunately, the Columbine shooting happened, 275 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 6: and that was the biggest blame, not gun violence, not bullying, 276 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 6: but that it was the violence on TV and the 277 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 6: games that the kids played other the two perpetrators played, 278 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 6: and they focus on that really hard because it seemed 279 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 6: to fit the narrative that they've been trying to set 280 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 6: up since the nineteen ninety five So like four years later, 281 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 6: ninety nine was when the shooting happened, and like the 282 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 6: conversations about bullying and the conversations about being outcasts, the 283 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 6: conversations about gun control really was sidelined to violence on 284 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 6: TV and violence core for video games. I remember that 285 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 6: being a huge thing. 286 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: Yes, I've definitely seen that. Like do you remember how 287 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: the musician Brian Warner, who you might be more familiar 288 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: with as a stage name Marilyn Manson, like he was 289 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: really thrust into the national conversation about like what's wrong 290 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: with our kids? And looking back at that time, even 291 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: though my research, you know, I'm not a researcher but 292 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: when I've looked into the link between violent media and 293 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: violent behavior, that link does seem fuzzy at best, Like 294 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like there's a lot of information out 295 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: there that really proves a, you know, a correlation. But 296 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: I really understand how we still get so much like 297 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: handwringing and anxiety about it, because if you're a parent 298 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: and you're worried about your kids, you're worried it's about 299 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: sending your kids to school. You can't really control the 300 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: legislation around guns in the United States, right, Like we're 301 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: just we've just like lost the ability of to really 302 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: have any kind of like direct impact on that. I 303 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: think you really can't control what's happening at your kid's 304 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: school when you're not there. I think one of the 305 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: reasons why you see this anxiety around media is because 306 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: it feels like something you can control, Like, even if 307 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: that link is not really there between violent media and 308 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: violent behavior. I think that in absence of feeling like 309 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: they have something they can cling to, something they can control, 310 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: something they can like, it just becomes a backdrop to 311 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: project your anxieties onto that. I but even if it's 312 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: not really the appropriate thing to handring about I understand 313 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: how it becomes like in absence of anything that you 314 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: feel like you can control, you feel like you can 315 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: control the kind of media that comes into your home. 316 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: And one of the things I find really interesting about 317 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 4: Scream is that in the end, almost every killer realizes this. 318 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 4: Almost every killer comes out and says, Oh, we're gonna 319 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 4: blame the movies. 320 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 3: Oh I'm gonna blame this. Oh I was on Reddit 321 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: and now look at me. 322 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 4: Like they know it, and they use it, and that's 323 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 4: what their defense is going to be in several cases, 324 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 4: like actually the defense they're. 325 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: Going to use in court. So they recognize that this 326 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: is a thing. 327 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: And I think it becomes like almost like a red 328 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: herring where it's like, if you're so busy focused on 329 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: Reddit or the movies or the this or the that, you're. 330 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: Not actually focused on the real issue. 331 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: And the killers in these movies they know that, and 332 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: they're using that as a way to evade their accountability 333 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: for their crimes or like I can just blame this. 334 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: And because of all that anxiety, because of all that handwringing, 335 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: my actual motives, how I've actually done this just goes overlooked, right. 336 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: And It's part of the fun of these movies is 337 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: they are so meta. So it's you're watching a slasher 338 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 4: movie that's basically telling you like, yeah, we know, uh, 339 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: people are going to blame us for stuff, and we're 340 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 4: going to talk about it. 341 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: Which is one of the things I love about them. 342 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 1: Right, And so the way that the scream movies really 343 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: were a commentary on the conversation around violent media that 344 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: we were having at that time in the nineties plays 345 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: into that so much because with technology like the V chip, 346 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: the burden was shifted off of like the government or 347 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: TV people who make media onto parents to be the 348 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: soul controls of what kind of media their kids are consuming, right, 349 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: And so like, if I'm Stu and Billy and I'm 350 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: just blaming the violent movies, really what that's actually saying 351 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: is like, oh, it's the parents. 352 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: The parents should have like used this V chip. 353 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: To block their kids from seeing prom Night or Halloween 354 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: and they didn't, and now he's a killer. It was 355 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: just a real way to like expertly shift. 356 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: The blame around. 357 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: And I think it mirrors the conversation that folks were 358 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: having in the nineties. And so even though there was 359 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: all this conversation and also public support around technology like 360 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: the v chip that was rolled out in the end. 361 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 2: One of the reasons. 362 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: Why, like Annie, you were like V chip never heard 363 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: of it is because it wasn't really being used that 364 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: much by parents. A study that followed one hundred and 365 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: ten families from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand found 366 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: that just nine families regularly used their v chip to 367 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: control mature and violent programming. I have my theories on 368 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: why this is. I think setting it up was kind 369 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: of cumbersome. I think a lot of parents were like, oh, 370 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: this is a little bit complicated. 371 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: I'm not going to do this. 372 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: So I went back to check the different rating systems 373 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: like we're most familiar with, like TVMA and things like that, 374 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: but there's so many of them. There's TVY, TV Y seven, TVG, TVPG, 375 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: TV fourteen, TVMA. Then inside of that there's different content 376 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: descriptors right D stands for sexual or suggestive diet, L 377 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: stands for course or crude language, s A, sexual situations, 378 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: V is violence, SV is family violent, exclusive to the 379 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: TV Y seven rating. So it's complicated as hell, is 380 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And so I can understand why parents 381 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: were like, h, this is way too many acronyms. 382 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 2: I have work in the morning. I am not setting 383 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: this up. 384 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: I also suspect, like, if your household was anything like 385 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: my household, if you were a teen at this time, 386 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: the responsibility for setting up the technology and like telecommunications 387 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: in your. 388 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: Home probably fell on your shoulders. Your parents were like, 389 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: I don't know how to set this up. You do it. 390 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: So if you're the young person who is being asked to, like, like, 391 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: you're not going to be setting up parental controls on 392 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: your own TV, if you are the person who is 393 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: responsible for setting up how TV happens in your home right, 394 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: So that's what I suspect might have been part of 395 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: why this like technology just did not take off. 396 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 6: You Know what I find funny though with that, is Yes, 397 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 6: I was in that generation. I was a teenager when 398 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 6: the internet came out, Like, I did not have the 399 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 6: access to internet until I left for college because my 400 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 6: parents were not buying the new things and at this 401 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 6: point it was a new thing, and I would have 402 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 6: to go to my aunt's house to use AOL. Yes, 403 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 6: and you immediately think of that sound when you connect, 404 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 6: and then immediately know the sound when it hangs up 405 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 6: and you get real pissed off because someone picked up 406 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 6: a phone. Yes, I was in that generation. I find 407 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 6: it funny because yes, we were part of that. Me 408 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 6: and my brother, who are around the same age, were 409 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 6: the ones who had set it up. But even today, 410 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 6: for my boomer parents, we have to set up any 411 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 6: day with the smart stuff and the likelihood that we 412 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 6: know even more so than the younger generations because they're 413 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 6: so used to just having it around on how to 414 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 6: get it connected, because we're like the og of all 415 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 6: of these things. It kind of makes me laugh because 416 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 6: somehow the genetic slash millennials are the ones who know 417 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 6: how to set these things up more so even than 418 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 6: most of the younger generations because they just always have 419 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 6: had it. 420 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: Yes, I've actually read some really interesting research and commentary 421 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: that suggests that the younger generation, like gen Z they 422 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: might like because they've always had things like iPads and 423 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: smartphones that are so sort of like drag and drop, 424 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: so sort of like intuitive, and if you've always had them, 425 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: the sort of inner machinations of like how they work 426 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: and like what is being represented when you do things 427 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: might be a little bit vague, a little bit vaguer 428 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: to them than they are to somebody who is my age, 429 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: who like grew up having to understand that kind of 430 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: thing just to like make it work right, Like having 431 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: to understand like when you save a file what that means, 432 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: and like how to find it and all of that. 433 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: None of this stuff when I. 434 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: Was first using computers was like easily laid out through 435 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: user like easy to navigate user interface. It was a 436 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: lot of like squinting at the screen and guessing check 437 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 1: and like it does the coding. 438 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, we only have to coding in order should get 439 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 6: access to specific signs. You're like, what the hell is 440 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 6: I have to control all be what? 441 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: F three? What? 442 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: Yes? 443 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 6: But I do find it funny coming back to that 444 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 6: when you'd have most of these classics, because when I 445 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 6: was growing up, I watched a lot of the cheesiest 446 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 6: seventies eighties horror movies because they were amazing and they 447 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 6: were so bad. The effects were so bad, but it 448 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 6: was so good because you still love that idea. I 449 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 6: also loved the horror stories y'all know I'm talking about, 450 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 6: like the classic horror stories, Appalachian horror stories that you 451 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 6: came back like the scariest stories like those are the 452 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 6: things that I grew up with and haunted me, still 453 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 6: haunts me. I was telling I think any I had 454 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 6: told you no mayb. Yeah, I told my partner when 455 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 6: I was in middle school. So this was the way 456 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 6: before y'all don't talk to me about age. We would 457 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 6: go into like different theater companies coming perform I think 458 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 6: I was in the fifth grade and they were supposed 459 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 6: to do a Mark Twain show and we're like cool, cool, cool, 460 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 6: old school and then it flipped real quick to an 461 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 6: Edgar Allan Poe Telltale Heart. So for those of us 462 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 6: who didn't know what was coming hearing because they would 463 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 6: have like the surround sound of the beating heart, and 464 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 6: it haunts me to this day. That's scary, Like that 465 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 6: story was one of the scariest stories I've ever heard 466 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 6: in my life. And I'm thinking back into like back 467 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 6: to like would the kids today would that have scared 468 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 6: them or would they have been like laughing because they're 469 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 6: like what is that? 470 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: What is this? 471 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 6: Because in my mind, like it was scary as hell. 472 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 6: I've been realizing how technology has quickly changed and how 473 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 6: like the graphics have changed, and again, yeah, people don't 474 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 6: even understand what the phone is, like, why would you 475 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 6: why would you have to connect to what's the landline? 476 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 6: Why do you have to do what is with the pressing? 477 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 6: Why can't they just like call a number or say 478 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 6: Siri call this thing? Like it's quite funny to me 479 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 6: that I'm like, yeah, y'all probably don't understand how scary 480 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 6: it really was. 481 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh. 482 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: Do you ever watch a horror movie like from like 483 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: the nineties or beyond and you're like, why doesn't she 484 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: just use her cell phone to call her help? 485 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 2: And you're like, oh wait, it's like a huge phone. 486 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: In Scream, there is that like the scene where it 487 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: sets the audience up to think Billy is the killer 488 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: and a self because a cell phone drops out of 489 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: his pocket and it's like a cell phone why? And 490 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: the cops are like, why do you have a cell phone? 491 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: And he's like, people have them now, like it was 492 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: so unusual for somebody to just have a cell phone. 493 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: Yes, nothing, you're rich or you're up to no good. 494 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 6: It's kind of like the pages of the like Mint. 495 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: Immediately you were you were no good exactly. 496 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 3: Bridget you need to watch all the rest of the 497 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 3: screen movies. It just keep updating us because the newer 498 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: ones have things with like Siri and you're ring camera 499 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: and like using voice commands and all this stuff. 500 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: So would you say that Scream is one of the 501 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: more tech savvy horror franchises. 502 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 4: I yeah, I would say that, But I also don't 503 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 4: have that kind of stuff, so I never talked to 504 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: Syria and I don't use ring. 505 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 3: But I think so, I mean, at. 506 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 4: Least like it's definitely addressing the question of, oh, hey, 507 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 4: this is the world we live in now. I think 508 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: the fifth one as a whole thing about like Netflix 509 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 4: and Reddit and fandom in that way. So I mean 510 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 4: they are definitely at least engaging in this is the 511 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: technology that we have, and this is how we think 512 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 4: it would impact or fuel this horror story that we're telling. 513 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really interesting when horror movies use 514 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: technology as a way to like buttress whatever story or 515 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: message you know, they're trying to tell, which. 516 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: I feel like Scream definitely does. 517 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: So after this V chip technology is put in place, 518 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: television programs are then rated for how much like ricey 519 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: or mature content they contain, and so to give parents 520 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: ostensibly the power to like block their kids from them, 521 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: even though parents aren't really doing this. However, the news 522 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: news programming was exempt from these ratings, and so there 523 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: was no way to block the news from your home. 524 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: Using this technology just sort of like giving it a 525 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: pass to. 526 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: Come into people's homes. 527 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: This coincided with news media becoming more and more solidified 528 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: as a form of like always on entertainment, starting famously 529 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: with CNN as like the first twenty four hour news network, 530 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: later with Fox News and MSNBC. According to NPR media 531 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: reporter David Folkenflick, the subsequent arrival of Fox at MSNBC, 532 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: it made nineteen ninety six a seminal year for cable news. 533 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: Remember that in the nineties you had these like big, 534 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: splashy gory crimes that played out in the news. Nineteen 535 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: ninety four you get Oj Simpson, nineteen ninety three, you 536 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: get Loraina Bobbitt. The murder of Scott Amador in nineteen 537 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 1: ninety five, who folks don't know who that is. He 538 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: was shot and murdered after an appearance on the tabloid 539 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: show The Jenny Jones Show, where he revealed his secret 540 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: crush on a man who later shot and killed him 541 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: and used gay panic as his defense during his trial. 542 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, in a piece called how Scream 543 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: Explored the exploitative nature of nightly news, the Smithsonian Magazine 544 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: spoke to Jamie L. Flexen, a profess served criminology and 545 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: criminal justice at Florida International University, who said the onslaught 546 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: of around the clock coverage of bizarre, outlier incidents powerfully 547 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 1: shaped americans perceptions of crime, saying, I believe because of this, 548 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: society is much more afraid. The boogeyman does exist in 549 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: this way an interaction between the human condition and the 550 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: business of media amid a context of exploring rare situations 551 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: to symbolize problems. And honestly, despite all of the anxieties 552 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: and handering about violent media and violent crime and the 553 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: anxieties around it, violent crime was famously down in the 554 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: nineties during this time where people were so concerned about it. 555 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think one of the things Scream does 556 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 4: also is that it this was before true crime had 557 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 4: really taken off. People were still fans of it, but 558 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 4: there was no Netflix yet, there was no places where 559 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 4: it could bringe it yet. But there's a point where 560 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: as the daughter of this woman who had been murdered, 561 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: that people are constantly talking about, like constantly kind of 562 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 4: sharing their theories like, oh no, you're wrong, you lied 563 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 4: about her. There's a point where she like vocalizes this 564 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 4: this fear that she has that if she says something 565 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 4: like out of place, they will blame her dad, because 566 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 4: it's usually the like husband or the like. She has 567 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 4: this in her head that there are people watching her 568 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 4: her story what has happened, and trying to dissect it 569 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 4: and having to like live with Okay, I really don't 570 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: want them to think it was my dad, which feels 571 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 4: like now watching it, almost like premonition or something like it. 572 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: It was very on point with that. 573 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 4: And then going back to something you said earlier, Bridget, 574 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: the second one spoilers the one of the killers is 575 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 4: Billy Loomis's mother. Oh yes, and she has a whole 576 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 4: speech that's like they always blame the mother and she 577 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 4: did do it. 578 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's why they're lighting her because she did it. 579 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: But it was interesting because it's like they were it 580 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: was her. 581 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 4: And then Timothy Olifant's character Mickey, who was like, I'm 582 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 4: going to blame the movies and she was like, I 583 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 4: never believe that defense never wants she kills Mickey. It's like, no, 584 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 4: I just am so upset about what happened to my 585 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: son and that you did it. But like that idea 586 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: of you know, that story that we want to believe 587 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 4: or that it's being told that we're seeing in our media, 588 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 4: that they really because I mean, I could go on 589 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 4: and odd, so Mantha knows. Like the fourth one is 590 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: all about true crime as well. The fifth one's all 591 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 4: about fandom, and in fact, one of the actors went 592 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 4: on to Reddit to learn about toxic fandom to play 593 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 4: a role in there. But also like going back to 594 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 4: the internet was just becoming really big for a lot 595 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 4: of us around the time this movie came out. And 596 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 4: just for a fun fact, this is one of the 597 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 4: first movies that had they were worried about spoilers, so 598 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 4: they wrote different scripts after the first one because they 599 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 4: got leaked online. And so it's really interesting in that 600 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 4: way too, of like, and they even talk about it 601 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 4: in the third one about how they have multiple scripts 602 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 4: and they don't know which one the murderer is following. 603 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 6: As I said, Annie's Annie's as an expert on all things. 604 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 6: But you know how they went back to she is 605 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 6: she don't. I don't think she doesn't already know. She's 606 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 6: already she's already read the article. I know I read 607 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 6: this a while ago. 608 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: I was exactly. 609 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 6: But you know, one of the things coming back to 610 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 6: how like news had become a whole thing. I would 611 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 6: just remember, like the eighties, late eighties and nineties were 612 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 6: filled with like unsolved mysteries. Rescue nine one one was 613 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 6: a regularly played at our house, and that started in 614 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 6: nineteen eighty nine. And then you also had things like 615 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 6: the Top ten most Wanted, which was like talking about 616 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 6: that boogeyman that comes around. But there also had been 617 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 6: that moment where news anchors were getting Pulitzers or being 618 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 6: big storytellers so they could solve a crime and do 619 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 6: it while on air. They would get these accolades, and 620 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 6: I remember that being a huge thing. Barbara Walters was 621 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 6: huge at that point in time. Sixty Minutes, which is 622 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 6: still going, but like that was coming on huge because 623 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 6: they would follow people like oh Ja Simpson and then 624 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 6: have that exclusive interview into the behind the scenes. Lorena Bobbitt, 625 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 6: I remember this case specifically because the husband came on 626 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 6: talking about his thing and had his huge thing of fame, 627 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 6: like so many things now, Like Lorena Bobbit wasn't so 628 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 6: bad in my mind back then, yeah, but today I'm like, oh, okay, 629 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 6: I get it. I don't condone what she did, but 630 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 6: I'm just saying I get it. But like the early nineties, 631 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 6: which this is that it is if you look back, 632 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 6: I didn't about it then obviously, but it was going 633 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 6: after those reporters who are just willing to like crawl 634 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 6: over all of the victims, which has become a circus 635 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 6: today and there is a huge different, whole different conversation 636 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 6: and now as a podcast, But that was really kind 637 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 6: of that beginning of like, oh, they want to see 638 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 6: the gory details, they want to know the depth of 639 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 6: depravity of men, and then if we can say it 640 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 6: in a perfect story to haunt everyone, we're going to 641 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 6: be famous. 642 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: And you even see that in Scream with Gail. 643 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: You know, she's writing a book about the death of 644 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: Sydney's mom and has kind of gotten personally involved in 645 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: the case, advocating for the innocence of Cotton, the person 646 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: who's been charged with her mom's death. And it's clear 647 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: that she's not doing this because she like like maybe 648 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: she genuinely believes that he's innocent, but when she's talking 649 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: about it, she says. 650 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: If I'm right, I could save this man's life. Do 651 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: you know that what that would do for my book sales? Again, 652 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: iicnic wine from. 653 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: Gail Weathers on this one, But I do think that 654 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: that that I don't mean that you're explaining Sam about 655 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: how the news media felt. Then is what scream Is 656 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: is meant to be a commentary on so Screams writers 657 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: Adam White and Michelle Delgado said that scream Is meant 658 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: to be an exploration of this exploitative nature of tabloid 659 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: news that minds people's worst and most traumatic moments for entertainment, 660 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: but doing so under the guise of like informing the 661 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: publics through news, and it highlights this kind of interesting 662 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: inconsistency we saw in media at the time, that the 663 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: news could cover the minutia of these gory, splashy cases 664 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: and do so in a way that was exempt from 665 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: this government VAT chip rating, But had those plotlines been 666 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: happening on an episode of like melrose Place, they would 667 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: be rated as mature. I think this moral inconsistency that 668 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: we saw in media was exactly what Scream was speaking to, 669 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, like the Scream teens are scolded for watching 670 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: too many gore slashier movies. All of this happening while 671 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: Gail Weathers and these other their news anchors are really 672 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: like essentially stalking and surveilling these teenagers to breathlessly and 673 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: relentlessly cover the the minutia of this trauma they're experiencing 674 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: under the guise of being like, well, the public has 675 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: a right to know. 676 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 4: Right, And it's no we talk about this all the 677 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 4: time when it comes to horror movies. Kind of that 678 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 4: how it reflects what we're anxious about is a society, 679 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 4: but also kind of that judgment of like who is 680 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 4: the who's going to be the victim here? Those rules 681 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 4: that Randy lays out of like don't have sex, don't 682 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 4: do drugs, all that stuff. So it built it also 683 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 4: feels very like these older people are watching these younger 684 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 4: people and like, yeah, you should have listened to me. 685 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 3: You deserved that, and now I'm going to put it 686 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 3: on the news and make money about it. 687 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: Like it's it's very Oh, you are a young person 688 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 4: who's basically living their life, but she shouldn't have done that, 689 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 4: and now you're dead and that's that's your fault. 690 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very voyeuristic, and I think I think Scream 691 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: really does a good job also of like I don't 692 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: know asking the question of like sure, Gail Weathers is 693 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: not out here murdering teens, but she is making money 694 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: off of that. She's profiting off of that personally, so like, sure, 695 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: she she may not be a murderer herself, but is 696 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: she really that much better than whoever is murdering these teens? 697 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 698 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 4: And I love like, I love how every time Gail 699 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 4: Weathers has this thing, there's something you have to appreciate 700 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 4: as women, because we're always told like ambitious women are 701 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 4: terrible that we were watching Gil Weathers. You're like, yes, 702 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 4: go get it, Gail. But like every movie ends with 703 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 4: her realizing like, oh, I've lost all. 704 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 3: Of my friends. Maybe I should And then the next 705 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 3: movie starts, She's backward. 706 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 2: She's I'm so buddy brought this up. This is why 707 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 2: I love. 708 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: This is why I like I ride for Gailee Weathers 709 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: in this movie and then the other screen movies that 710 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: I've seen, is that I feel like the movie is 711 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: setting us up to be like, Wow, what an annoying, conniving, 712 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: She's gonna have a gory death and really get hers 713 00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: and won't that be great? 714 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 2: But Gail Weathers always comes out on top. And not 715 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: only does she come out on. 716 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: Top, she doesn't learn a damn thing. By the next movie, 717 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: whatever lesson you think has been internalized by. 718 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: Gail, she's back and worse. And I love that. 719 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: I love when this is just like I mean, I'm 720 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to try to like connect this to some 721 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: larger like moralistic thing of like it's feminist to like 722 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: it when like women are is actually I just like. 723 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 2: Think that's cool. 724 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: I just personally like to see when a female character 725 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: doesn't really learn anything and like, you know, I don't know, 726 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: like is it so wrong that Gail Weathers wants her Pulitzer? 727 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: Like is it so wrong that she cares about her career? 728 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: And like it's kind of going to exploit some teens 729 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: to get there. 730 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 6: I mean, the few movies that I actually thinks to Annie, 731 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 6: I've seen more than. 732 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 3: I think you've seen. Everyone but the newest one. 733 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 6: The newest one, Yeah, has made that this is her gift. 734 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 6: I will say, when she's in crunch, she's gonna help out, 735 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 6: like she's gonna be there. She's got her back, she's 736 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 6: gonna take the perpetrator out. She's going, she's gonna, she's 737 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 6: gonna fight. So when it counts, she's there. And then 738 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 6: she don't get her She saves. 739 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: She saves, the saves the day like and also it 740 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: really you don't count out Gaie Weathers. You might think 741 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: she's dead in that van. She might look man, but 742 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: don't cut out Gaale Weathers. 743 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 3: She'll be right back. She'll She's got nine lives. That's 744 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 3: the joke. 745 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 2: Does she is? She? 746 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 6: Is? She? 747 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: In the most recent Scream Yes, Oh thank god? 748 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 5: Yes. 749 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 4: I also like in the fifth one, it opens with 750 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 4: Dewey like drinking at nine am and he's watching Good 751 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 4: Morning America and she's on there and she's like talking 752 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 4: about how bad her hair used to be, and I'm like, yeah, 753 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 4: good for you, Gail. 754 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I as much as I love the 755 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: like horror women in horror movie tropes like Final Girl, 756 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: I would read a deep dive analysis of like g 757 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, character that we're supposed to hate, but like 758 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: actually we kind of love. I you know, if you 759 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: ever see like there's a I think there are a 760 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: lot of them horror movies, Like if you've ever seen 761 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: it's not a horror movie, I guess it's a thriller. 762 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: But the hand that rocks the Cradle, I think it's 763 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: Julianne Moore's character, who's like the smart mouthed, like bad 764 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: real estate lady in a House of Wax. I remember 765 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: famously that Paris Halton is kind of the annoying friend 766 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: and House of Wax, and they really make a meal out. 767 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: Of her murder in that movie. They really like, are really. 768 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: Excited to kill Paris Halted in a gruesome way in 769 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: that movie because she's like the annoying girl in the movie. 770 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 4: One thing I do like about Gail Weathers, though, is 771 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 4: like I like gil Weather's That makes it sound like 772 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 4: I don't. But one thing I like about it is 773 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 4: that her and Sidney have this really adversarial relationship. They 774 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 4: become friends and they still fight, and I like that 775 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 4: they show that they still show like there's a because 776 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 4: Gail still wants the story of Sydney and Sydney is 777 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 4: still like no, that's but they are still friends. So 778 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 4: I like that it kind of plays out that way 779 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 4: that eventually you're like, oh no, they're buddies, and they 780 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 4: show up for each other and they have. 781 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 2: A complex relationship. 782 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like showing they've been through a lot together, 783 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: so they're not like braiding each other's hair, but when 784 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: it matters, they stick up for each other. 785 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 2: When it matters. 786 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: Gales out of that van with a gun, ready to 787 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: save the day, like, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm like so 788 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: like in deep in this converse. 789 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 6: I know from the beginning, I told you from. 790 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 3: The beginning, and. 791 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 2: It's just a really I don't know, I don't know 792 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 2: where to go with this. 793 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: I think Scream really they were onto something about making 794 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: a commentary about media anxieties and anxieties around violence. And 795 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that it's had such an enduring 796 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: legacy of making commentary for like a decade now, Like 797 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: I guess. 798 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 2: Scream came out in nineteen ninety six. The most recent 799 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 2: one was what two thousand. 800 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 3: And twenty two. Yeah, so like like last year, a decade's. 801 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: Long legacy of commenting on our collective anxieties around technology 802 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: and media and violence and our behavior. 803 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 2: And I think you know that iconic line that. 804 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: Billy says in the first movie where I think it's 805 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: Sydney like you've seen one too many movies, and Billy 806 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: is like, movies don't create psychos, movies make psychos more creative. 807 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: And to me, that's like the ultimate encapsulation of the 808 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: entire anxiety and conversation of like, well, is it the movies, 809 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: is it the media, is it the content, or is 810 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: it something else that these these movies are just allowing 811 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 1: for more creativity or more you know, a smoke screen 812 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 1: to like have people do more crimes and have more 813 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: violent behavior. Like that line I think really reveals the 814 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: ultimate anxiety that I think Scream is really commenting on. 815 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,760 Speaker 4: Yes, and I think like every movie has some version 816 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 4: of that where it ends with oh, I'm going to 817 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 4: blame the movies and it allows them to. 818 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 819 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 4: I mean essentially they've found that they can do this. 820 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 4: They believe they can get away with it through this, 821 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 4: But it's so many other things like it is. I 822 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 4: think a lot of this also boils down to you 823 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 4: we can't just give one reason. There's not just one thing, 824 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 4: Like maybe you did get on Reddit and it didn't 825 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 4: go well for you, but that can't be like the 826 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 4: only thing like for that, Reddit has to have existed 827 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 4: in the first place, And you also have a character 828 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 4: like Randy, who is so into horror movies. He's the 829 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 4: one that lays out the rules and he is not 830 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 4: a killer at all, Like he has consumed all of 831 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 4: this stuff, maybe even more, and he isn't a killer. 832 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 4: So I think it's interesting that they also have sort 833 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 4: of a foil for all of these like killers, who 834 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 4: are the movies made me? 835 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 6: Did it? 836 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 3: And then you see Randy and these not at all. 837 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 3: But also it is funny that they always have this 838 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 3: laying out of the rules scene, and in the most 839 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 3: recent one they were like, oh, no, we're in a franchise. 840 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 3: Like that's how big it's gotten. It's a sequel, it's 841 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 3: a trilogy, and now it's oh, franchised, that's hilarious. Yeah, 842 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 3: but it has endured to the point that, yeah, it's 843 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 3: a franchise. 844 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: And I think ultimately, like that's my point is that 845 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: violence is such a complex issue, Like we've been handwringing 846 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: about how we curb and combat violence for so long 847 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: that these tidy explanations reddit violent movies, violent media, watching 848 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: the O. J. Simpson trial on the news, whatever, this 849 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: don't work. And I think that ultimately, like that is 850 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: what the film is trying to show that interpersonal violence 851 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: is always more complicated than that, always more complex than that. 852 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: So if somebody is trying to sell you like this 853 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: is this is the reason that person is is perhaps 854 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: not bringing the nuance to the conversation that it deserves. 855 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 2: I think that maybe like that is what Scream is 856 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 2: ultimately trying to tell us. 857 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 3: I agree. 858 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 4: I absolutely agree, because again, every every movie has this 859 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 4: like moment, like almost montage where you believe it's every 860 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 4: person at once, right, like oh it's you, Oh it's you, 861 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 4: because there are all these complex reasons or why people 862 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 4: might do it, and yeah, just the like simple Oh 863 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 4: they watched a lot of horror movies. It just it 864 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 4: doesn't work. And that's never how it is. I've seen 865 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 4: these movies a lot. 866 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 3: That's not how it goes. 867 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 2: Scholar in Residence Annie Reese, Yeah, oh what a day. 868 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 3: You've brightened my day. 869 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 2: It's just so fun to talk about horror movies. 870 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: Like everybody in my life knows that, Like if you 871 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: let me go off on, Like, my my favorite piece 872 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: of horror growing up and still today is Tales from 873 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: the Crypt. I've seen every episode when I was a 874 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: kid I used to do. I do an impression of 875 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: the crypt Keeper that like my brother who would like 876 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: die of laughter in person in the Cryptkeeper. It's just 877 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: so fun to talk about horror, and like, I don't know, 878 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: we should get more than one month a year to 879 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 1: do it. 880 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 3: You are welcome back anytime to talk about horror. I 881 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 3: feel bad. 882 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 4: I feel like I just went on and on, but 883 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 4: I have you know, I could keep going, but then 884 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 4: none of us would get of here. 885 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 2: Should we do? We should do a part two on 886 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 2: Scream two. 887 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 6: Yes, I think this is like third episode for us 888 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 6: on a stream. 889 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 3: Fourth But there's so good to say about every one 890 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 3: of them. Though, second one's blame the Mother, third one's 891 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 3: Harvey one, dude, The fourth one is true crime and women, 892 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 3: and then the fifth one is fandom. The sixth one 893 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 3: is trauma. 894 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 2: That's going to be the seventh one Trump. I think. 895 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 3: I think the seventh one is gonna be Oh, because 896 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:08,760 Speaker 3: I think. 897 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 4: Sidney Prescott wasn't in the most recent one because of 898 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 4: contract they didn't want to pay. 899 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 2: Oh. 900 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 3: I think she's gonna be in the next one, So 901 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be some kind of like, Oh, 902 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,760 Speaker 3: she is gonna be the next one. There, it sounds 903 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 3: like it. They haven't finalized. 904 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 6: They got a lot of backlash for not having her on. 905 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the next screen will be that the real 906 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: killer will be predatory contracts, lock you. 907 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 2: In for years. 908 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would love it. I would find 909 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 3: some way to talk about it all the show. 910 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 6: Like, uh, honestly, we haven't done a second of the 911 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 6: New New War franchise. 912 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 4: Oh I do have a lot of thoughts about that one. 913 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 4: That one has a lot of bait and switches that 914 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 4: I have a lot of thoughts about, Like, oh, I 915 00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 4: know the killer. 916 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I don't. 917 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 6: I mean, we could do an emergency episode the three 918 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 6: of us, the three of us watch one of the 919 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 6: other screams and go to tall. 920 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm here for that. 921 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 6: We'll see you next week. 922 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 2: Yes, if you make it. Who's gonna be the final girl? 923 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't say, don't say the line. You know what 924 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,720 Speaker 3: it is, don't do it anyway. 925 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 2: I'll be right back. 926 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 3: Y'all are racist, So. 927 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 6: I feel like the prediction would be Annie, but you 928 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 6: know whatever, Oh wow, I feel like i'd be the 929 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 6: first one to go for some reason, like Asian women 930 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 6: are seeing as like really trashy Asian fetishists love right. 931 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,360 Speaker 6: So unless it's an Asian horror movie, then I'm the 932 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:47,919 Speaker 6: one that's killing. 933 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,399 Speaker 1: And maybe you've got like one streak in your hair, like, oh, 934 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: there's a she's got a red streak in her hair. 935 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 2: That's how you know she's a bad. 936 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 6: If it's not all yeah, if it's not all pink, 937 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 6: then it's death or purple. Then I'm definitely at the 938 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 6: one streak, and I'm definitely become possessive with everyone. If 939 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,320 Speaker 6: it's we're doing an agent level a horror. 940 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 3: Movie, oh man, I'm so into this. I'm into it 941 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 3: however it works out. 942 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,760 Speaker 4: I definitely want to hear your thoughts one way or another, Bridget, 943 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 4: when you watch the rest of them, because for. 944 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,800 Speaker 3: The rest of perhaps obviously. 945 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts. I'm gonna watch watch 946 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 2: them from now the next Wednesday. 947 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm like legitimately excited. Oh wow, Yeah, this was 948 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,320 Speaker 4: so delightful. 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