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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby back in the headlines. Does it never end?

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Speaker 1: All those years he had of being America's dad, being

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Speaker 1: then molesting them raping them. He finally gets convicted after

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Speaker 1: a twenty or thirty year run, and now it's not over.

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Speaker 1: His case is rearing. It's ugly head. I want to

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna fight crime stories with Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I mean it. See Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories again. Thank you for being with

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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation. It's serious. ExM One eleven.

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Speaker 1: How in the hay is it back? He was convicted

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Speaker 1: by a jury, right, Remember all those women crying on

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Speaker 1: the stand, take a listen to this E news anchor.

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Speaker 1: In a stunning ruling, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court will allow

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Speaker 1: Cosby to appeal two issues in his sexual assaults conviction.

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Speaker 1: Since twenty eight, the eighty two year old has been

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Speaker 1: serving a three to ten years sentence after a jury

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Speaker 1: News has obtained the court documents confirming Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruling.

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Speaker 1: The court will review whether the jury should have heard

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Speaker 1: testimony from five other accusers about alleged assaults that were

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Speaker 1: review the judge's decision to allow the trial to proceed

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Speaker 1: just boil that down. What the court is saying is

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Speaker 1: Cosby has the right to appeal his case on two grounds,

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Speaker 1: at least two major grounds. They'll probably throw in the

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Speaker 1: standard grounds like insufficient evidence. They always say that there's

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Speaker 1: all star panel. First of all, very famous in his region.

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Speaker 1: Lawyer Jim Elliott with Butler Snowy is legal counsel for

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Speaker 1: multiple municipalities like cities, counties. Also with me, psychiatrists doctor

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold joining me from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cloyd Stiger

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Speaker 1: thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two of those years

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Speaker 1: author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant. You

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Speaker 1: out to Levi Page, investigative reporter with Crime online dot com,

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Speaker 1: where you can find this and all other breaking crime

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Speaker 1: and justice news you know must Nobody can say it

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Speaker 1: joining us. Mistakenson, thank you for being with us. I

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Speaker 1: can't breathe because of Bill Cosby. What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: I can't breathe because I haven't slept in weeks, and

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Speaker 1: And you were hearing America's first supermodel, Janice Dickinson, described

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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about how Cosby used to lecture

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Speaker 1: So Nancy Cosby was found guilty of three counts of

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Speaker 1: dangerous to do this to someone, and that's what it does.

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Speaker 1: It puts people to sleep. It can also have other

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Speaker 1: side effects in none it can make Mene have a

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Speaker 1: sustained erection. I don't know if he took the quelu

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Speaker 1: because that would probably make him fall asleep, but it

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Speaker 1: makes people fall asleep. In a stunning decision that could

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Speaker 1: affect the framework not only similar transaction law, but the

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Speaker 1: me too movement that we have all fought so hard

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Speaker 1: to advance, and appellate court in Pennsylvania is going to

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Speaker 1: hear claims by Bill Cosby that his case should be

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Speaker 1: reversed and thrown out if a higher court rules at

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Speaker 1: the prosecution in any way is guilty of misconduct, the

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Speaker 1: case could be thrown out with prejudice. That means with

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Speaker 1: no retrial possible. That's what that means. So the first

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Speaker 1: claim is that the similar transactions should not have been

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Speaker 1: brought in and the second claim back do you leave?

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Speaker 1: Page refresh plays the second claims. The second claim, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: is that he was under a deposition in a civil

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Speaker 1: suit where he admitted that he gave women drugs to

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Speaker 1: make them go to sleep. He admitted that he had

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Speaker 1: done that in the past before at parties. And Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Spanish fly. What exactly that is. It's a

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Speaker 1: beatle in southern Europe which emits a chemical from it

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Speaker 1: to attract female partners, and it lures females to them

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Speaker 1: during mating season. And in the eighties there was this

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Speaker 1: speculation that you could get these beetles and get that

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Speaker 1: chemical from them, and they would sell it as supplements.

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Speaker 1: It's mouth been debunked. It doesn't work with humans, but

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Speaker 1: people in fratrees and the eighties used to take this

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Speaker 1: and put it in female's dreams, thinking that it would

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Speaker 1: So that's what Bill Cosby was talking about, and he's

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Speaker 1: actually admitted to it in depositions. And his lawyers are saying, look,

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Speaker 1: he only agreed to do this deposition because he entered

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Speaker 1: into a no prosecution agreement with in the Andrea Constant

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Speaker 1: case back when she first made the allegation and they

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Speaker 1: declined to press charges. They're saying it should have never

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Speaker 1: been allowed into evidence. As a matter of fact. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to six ABC reporter Alicia Vitarelli. This is

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Speaker 1: a big break in this case, a big moment for

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Speaker 1: his team. Right now, the eighty two year old Cosby

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Speaker 1: is behind bars and Skippack Township, Montgomery County. I spoke

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Speaker 1: with two members of his legal team today. They have

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Speaker 1: been appealing Cosby's conviction for the past two years. They

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Speaker 1: say the timing of this decision is big, especially given

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Speaker 1: current protests calling for racial justice and equality. Part of

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Speaker 1: the thing is criminal justice reform also, so we feel

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Speaker 1: that this is the road to vindication from mister Cosby,

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Speaker 1: and we're very excited that state Supreme Court would even

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Speaker 1: consider agreeing to review his trial. The court has only

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Speaker 1: agreed to review two aspects of the case, as he

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Speaker 1: says he had with former District Attorney Bruce Castor that

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Speaker 1: he would give a deposition in a civil lawsuit only

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Speaker 1: if he would never be charged in the case. But

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Speaker 1: that testimony from the civil case was admitted as evidenced

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Speaker 1: by another DA in the criminal trial in twenty eighteen. Guys,

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Speaker 1: you're hearing a lot of legal wrangling about Cosby's words

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Speaker 1: under oath in a civil deposition regarding Andrew Constant. He

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Speaker 1: claims he had an immunity agreement that if he testified

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Speaker 1: under oath that the deposition, he would never be prosecuted

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Speaker 1: for that. Well, that immunity agreement came under attack, But

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Speaker 1: let's just cut the bs. Take a listen to Katherine

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Speaker 1: McKee speaking to the New York Daily News. So I

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Speaker 1: arrived at the hotel, knocked on the door. He opened

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Speaker 1: the door. He was wearing a robe and a hat cap.

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Speaker 1: And I stepped in and he took the ribs out

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Speaker 1: of my hand, set them down on a table, shut

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Speaker 1: the door, pulled me to him, spun me around and

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Speaker 1: had his way with me. And it was very quick

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Speaker 1: and very fast, and it wasn't even there was nothing

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Speaker 1: I was shocked because I had known him for such

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Speaker 1: a long time and we had a friendly friendship relationship,

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Speaker 1: and it stunned me. And it happened quick fast, bada boom,

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Speaker 1: over and out. I pulled myself together and went into

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Speaker 1: the powder room, you know, straightened myself up, and Bill

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Speaker 1: went and got dressed, came back out and joined me in.

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Speaker 1: We left. Come on, let's go. We left. We went

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Speaker 1: to get in the car and go to this party,

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Speaker 1: which I was driving him, because that's why I had

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Speaker 1: come there, was to pick him up. So bottom line

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Speaker 1: to you, Jim Elliott, you're hearing yet another victim who

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Speaker 1: I also spoke with, describing her rape at the hands

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Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby. How did the immunity agreement get tossed?

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Speaker 1: Was there ever really an immunity agreement to start with?

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Speaker 1: Let makes you wonder. I mean, I have to believe

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Speaker 1: he was not rich enough to give the civil deposition

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Speaker 1: without doing so. But I mean, you know, that's something

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Speaker 1: I think there's not an extensive news coverage about. I'm

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Speaker 1: really curious to hear about the extent of the agreement

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Speaker 1: and it's bonding authority on other prosecutors and that sort

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Speaker 1: of thing. Well, I find it very difficult to believe

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Speaker 1: that a secret agreement that allows a very wealthy defendant

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Speaker 1: to get out of a rape case. Find it very

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Speaker 1: difficult to believe that that is going to be upheld,

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Speaker 1: and basically leaving any attempt at justice snake bit. I

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Speaker 1: don't agree you can basically buy an immunity agreement, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see as justice unfolds. Bill Cosby appealing his case

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Speaker 1: to the highest court in Pennsylvania. Nancy Grace Crime Story

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,