WEBVTT - Welcome Back Trump 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.160 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:04.480 with Resent Choice Media. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.719 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:09.160 You guys. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.680 This is episode fifty three of Native Land Pod. The 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.560 last time you saw us it was election night. So 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.919 this is our first show after the election. And in 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.680 the spirit of everything that you guys are feeling and 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.639 that we're feeling, we're going to jump right into the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.599 show today. It's been quite quite a few days, guys, 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.040 so curious what we're going to talk about today, Angela, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:29.840 I will kick it off with you. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.040 I want to talk about the stage of grief that 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.920 we might all be at. I'm sure they're different. And 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.199 I also want to talk about the incoming appointments from 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:40.240 the Trump administration. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.000 I'm eager to talk about that, Andrew, because I know 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.600 you have a lot of insight on Miss Susie Wild's 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:46.960 the incoming chief of staff. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.559 So but what else did you want to talk about us? 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.959 To be said, So first off, welcome home everybody, and 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:57.560 we appreciate y'all joining us again. And speaking of stages 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.760 of grief, I got my all black and Tiffany just 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.960 for you button directly to the top. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.760 Well, I want to talk about, which I think is 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:06.840 in line with everything you guys are saying. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.360 What do we do now? What is the path forward? Essentially? 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.319 So with that, let's get into the show. 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.080 Hi native Lampod family. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.319 So I am from the state of Illinois and we 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.160 went blue. So I felt like we understood the assignment 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:30.200 as far as elections go. My question is, how do 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.600 we grapple with the reality of what just happened? I mean, 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:41.120 America chose someone who is racist, a bigot, a felon, 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:46.120 and willingly voted to put him back into the highest 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.800 office of the land. I, for the life of me, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:54.720 cannot understand how that happened. And I can't understand people, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:02:01.400 even some in my own family, justifying that decision. It 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.760 makes no sense to me. The Republicans could have put 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:09.320 anyone up to be elected, anybody, but they chose him. 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:10.120 All right. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.200 How do we grapple with what just happened? And I 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.480 think that's what we spent the last week trying to do. 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.960 So Andrew, how do we grapple? 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.600 Well, one, it's individual. Each of us have our own 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.000 ways of getting through this. I got to tell you 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:34.480 it was I'll confess my coping was bad. I spent 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.720 more days in it than I would like to admit, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.519 mostly because I didn't want to watch anything serious. I 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.200 didn't want to read anything serious. I didn't want to 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:50.400 believe what the country again had done. And then the 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.919 last few days I kind of dived directly in trying 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:58.880 to understand it and to be curious. I saw aoc 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:05.440 post on that Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez out of New York 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.160 who basically went to Instagram and said, Hey, can y'all 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.600 help me understand? And she did, And I thought, in 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.280 a very sincere and genuine way, how is it that 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.960 you could vote for me or other and other Democrats 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.959 down ballot, but then select Donald Trump at the top 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.120 of the ballot. What are the things that you find 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.240 that we share in common. I bring this up, Tiff 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.960 and Angela because while this is completely non scientific, and 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.480 by the way, the graphic that we are showing, for 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.360 those of you who are watching and for those of 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:45.320 you listening, I'll just describe it MSNBC Michel Norris, a 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.880 new contributor there, sort of abbreviate it. Some of the 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.960 statements that people were posting back to her Instagram around 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.480 what do democrats that you voted for, like me and 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.840 Trump have in common that will cause you to split 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.280 the ballot. Some of the responses were, it's real, simple Trump, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.960 and you care about the working class. Someone else said, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.640 but wanted to change, so I went with Trump and 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.000 blew for the rest of the ballot to put some 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.159 breaks on them. Voted Trump, but I like you and Bernie. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:21.120 I don't trust either party establishment politicians. And it said also, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.520 I feel like Trump and you are both real and 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.920 I think you know all of it. It strikes us 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.039 all differently. The way in which Sean Trump shows up 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.880 great alarm. Some people may not remember what his first 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.800 term was, like the million people who died in the 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:41.680 wake of his mishandling of COVID, his erraticism, his assault 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.359 on protesters, and turning the military on them so that 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.200 he can hold the Bible upside down. Maybe some people 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.720 just didn't dive in because they got a check that 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.960 had his name on it, even though it came from 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.320 the US government made available to them by the Democrats 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.880 and control of the Congress. Whatever it is that allows 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:05.200 you to missed over the overwhelming reg you know, sort 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.000 of disqualifiers for the Office of the Presidency. People were 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.040 able to miss over it and find their own reasons 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.560 for why they could stick with him. And I know 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.200 we'll get into all of that, but I would just 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:21.360 say to the viewer, the listener who posed the question, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.240 I think this is going to be a much more 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.159 complicated answer, and we won't be able to answer it 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.600 today and maybe in the next few weeks or in 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.440 the coming years, but I don't think we're going to 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.719 be able to resolve this thing simply on the question 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.600 of race and gender alone. And if we want to 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.000 understand it better, we're gonna have to be willing to 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.719 dig in, ask some tough questions, find ourselves in some 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.359 uncomfortable places. And I don't mean for the unreachable folks. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.840 I'm talking about for the people who are similar to us, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.680 grew up similar to us, have the likeness in so 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.880 many ways, but somehow reasoned themselves into a different choice 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:04.640 this time. I'm curious at this stage, still a little 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.680 bit angry, but my advice would be feel what you 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.880 need to feel. And I can't even imagine for black 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:15.000 women who poured out so much of themselves just how 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.320 badly this cuts. But I just want you to know 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.320 that it cuts pretty badly for a lot of men, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.159 myself included as well. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:22.719 Andrew. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.960 I don't know if I agree with your point about 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.480 going beyond race and gender, but we'll get into that later. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.719 Because Angel I feel like you and I talked the most, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:35.440 probably since election, and the grief is so heavy. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.880 How's your heart? But what are your thoughts? 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:38.159 Also? 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.159 So a few things. One is I was hoping that 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.040 we could kind of succinctly go through like the stages 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.560 of grief because they have been so extreme, and I 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.719 think that there's so many people at home, including just 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.120 based on that question, who can relate to that. But 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:58.760 I have vacillated. I haven't had it clean cut to 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:03.760 each stage. I've gone from deep sadness and depression. Like 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.839 Andrew mentioned, I was waking up in the middle of 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.720 the night going pop, like is this real? Like thinking 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.400 it was like a Groundhog's day moment. I thought this 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.400 was going to play out differently because Joy and Brittany 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.040 and I prayed the day before the election this time, 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.200 instead of me calling Joy the day after the election 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.560 like what happened, and I still ended up having to 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.280 make the call like what happened? And then I went 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:30.600 through Denio, which was like, Okay, clearly this thing was stolen. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.760 Who did he still votes from last time he was 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:34.920 looking for votes, So clearly he must have found the votes. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.880 Elon could get on people's phones and text him about 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.080 cotton they need to be picking. Surely he could figure 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:47.400 out a way to be negotiating with these various precinct 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:51.920 officials in states to figure this out. And then I 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:57.520 talked to campaign staff who shall remain nameless, and the 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.320 rage that I feel for these and the things that 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.800 they've been through, the ways in which they were gas lit, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.640 the ways in which Andrew we saw this play out 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:13.560 in your election. I'm angry now and I'm sad because 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.600 I will be damned if they rest this at the 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.680 feet of Kamala de Harris. The stuff that needs to 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:30.280 be overturned and changed up and ended is astounding, Like 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.559 my mind is frankly blown. Like the level of surprise 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.760 that I keep dropping down into is just more than 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.679 I can even bear and articulate. So in short, I 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.280 am still vacillating between the various stages of grief. What 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.599 I'm trying to lean into is not my outward expression 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:54.000 of frustration and rage. I'm trying to deepen into listening. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.200 There are a lot of internal conversations to be had 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:59.640 that I'm listening to, and there are a lot of 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.840 extra jural conversations to be had that, frankly, I'm not 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.440 even ready to have because of the deep betrayal I 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.760 feel by this country and the deep, deep betrayal that 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.440 I feel for a party that I think regularly takes 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:20.000 us for granted as voters, takes us for granted as consultants, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.760 takes us for granted as media, takes us for granted 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:30.520 as staffers. And that's absolutely candidates, absolutely, And that is 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.760 the conversation that I want to have. It just ain't right. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.760 Just quickly, what are the stages of grief? You said, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.720 deep sadness, anger. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.120 I said deep sadness. I said denial. T well, I 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.480 expressed denial, but I didn't name denial. And then I 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.680 talked about rage. At some point, there's acceptance. I ain't 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.600 accepted nothing yet, you know. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.000 I will tell you, guys, I did not after the election. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:00.240 I did not watch the news. I couldn't. So to 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:06.440 this day, I have not seen Donald Trump's speech from 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.160 election night. Probably in the past two days. Like you, Andrew, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.160 I just re emerged. I didn't read a paper. I 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.440 just didn't consume a lot of information, and so the 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.640 past few days it's really hit me. I'll say the 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.240 first few days after election, I wept every day, every 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.240 single day. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:26.600 You know. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.400 We had a lot of conversations with people, and I 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.600 think one of the most sad experiences of this is, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.679 of course talking to other black women and what we 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.080 all feel after being betrayed by this country and having 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.480 our hearts broken by this country. But it was also 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.760 sad to your point, Andrew, talking to men. I talked 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:49.360 to every black man I know also wept, and they 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.280 wept because they said they talked about looking at their 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.200 daughters and what their daughters had gone through, and how 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.400 hopeful and excited they were. And that was one of 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.600 the questions I asked, how do you look at young 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.040 black children and say you can dream, you can do anything, 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.000 you can be whatever you want to be, and know 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.360 that there are caps to those dreams as of right 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.960 now in this country, their caps to those dreams. So 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.200 I think I've just been deeply sad. I've not wanted 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.920 to engage in the you know, the post election analysis 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.320 that so many people jumped out there to do. I 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.840 tried to watch cable news a few times, and I 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.319 just to be honest with you, this is hard because 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.800 we all know some of these people. But I just thought, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:34.280 y'all are on these airways bullshitting these people because you 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.640 know good and damn will. The conversations we were having 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.160 amongst ourselves was way different than what they were saying 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:46.200 on air, And I got increasingly frustrated watching people dance 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.920 and tap dance and bend themselves and not for the 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:53.080 comfort of white folks because they were so anxious, probably 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.320 about their own contracts and not wanting to say the 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.920 wrong thing, and talking about this bullshit like it's normal 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.599 and normalizing all the plans that he had, or normalizing 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.840 his cabinet picks, all those things. It just it just 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.920 made me feel so incredibly frustrated, and it just begged 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.560 the question of if you are someone who wants to 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.360 make change to your point, Angela about talking to the staff, 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.800 and I hope you share some of the specific things, 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.840 because I have talked to a few folks too, and 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:24.480 I doubt that there's gonna be a lot of daylight 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.839 and what people said about their experience, but it just 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.320 made me think, if you are a person, particularly a 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.120 black person, who wants to institute change, you don't join 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.520 things to become a yes man or a yes woman. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.960 You join to disrupt, and then when you're met with 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.320 so much resistance, it can beat some people down and 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.880 sometimes they gonna slice the head off one of them 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.800 and hold them up and say, this is what happens 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.000 to you when you try to buck this system. And 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.160 I feel like that has happened in cable news. I 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.960 certainly have a testimony. I feel like that's happened in campaigns, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.120 and I feel like that's happened and politically in the country. Well, 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:01.960 I don't know where y'all want to go from here, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.040 but that's that's how I've felt. And I know we 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.079 have a lot to get to. So I do want 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.839 to talk about the cabinet. I do want to talk 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.640 about black and Latino men, but I just wanted to 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.880 take that moment to reflect back to folks that all 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.520 three of us have felt what you are have felt 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:17.960 the past few days. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.920 And I just want to give voice to the children 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.520 because you raised that. My wife was with the kids 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.840 on election night, so they woke up the next morning 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.640 and Jackson happened to overhear the news and ran up 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:36.400 to Jay, you know, to our bedroom, and he's in tears, saying, Mommy, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:41.280 Donald Trump beat Kamala Harris and then the other two 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.319 run up and now they're sad. And that evening, when 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.120 I got back to the house, the first thing out 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.920 of Jackson's mouth was, Daddy, Kamala didn't win. Are we 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.880 gonna be okay? And I said, you know, we had 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.840 a conversation, but we tried to keep them separated from this, right, 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.079 And I imagine a lot of parents tried to keep 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.600 them separated from the news so they wouldn't hear all 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.400 of the stuff and be worried. And so just I 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.800 just said that to say to the parents who are 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.320 raising little people who don't all the way get and 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.040 grasp all of this, but are feeling the emotions of us, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.080 the adults, the parents, they know the difference between good 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.240 and bad, right and wrong, and they're watching wrong went 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.080 out and they're trying to make sense of it. And 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.520 I just want to encourage us to be in in 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.760 transparent conversation with our kids. Not you don't got to 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.400 go all rate it, but you got to talk to 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.080 them about what this process is about and why we 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.600 show up in it to hopefully make, you know, the 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.400 road a little smoother for them in the future. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.880 Well, I was thinking, go go ahead, Angela. 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.480 Well before I was thinking, it looks like we're just 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.040 about upon a break. So maybe I'll think on the 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:54.920 other side of the break. 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.120 Yeah, that's literally what I was about to say. I 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.800 don't know where y'all want to go, but Trump has 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.720 already named thirteen or stayed his intention with the thirteen 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.600 members of his cabinet, and I know Andrew, you want 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.400 to get into the mail of voting blocks. So on 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.640 the other side of this break, we'll dive into both 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.960 of those topics. We'll see you on the other guy. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.160 What's up, Native Lampid. My name is Dereck Monroe. I'm 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.040 from Harlem, New York, and my question is what does 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.840 this fight look like for us? I feel like I 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.320 get it, we're all overwhelmed at this point, but I 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.000 think it's time that we need to get together and strategize. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.320 And I'm just wondering who, especially when it comes to 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.280 the black community, are our leaders that would bring us 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.080 together so that we can strategize effectively so that we 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.640 are not just taking advantage of I feel like we 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.960 are too busy being reactive and not proactive. I understand 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.760 when I see on social media everbody it's like, oh, well, 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.680 we're just gonna see how this play out, in fear 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.960 that the playout will be worse than what anybody anticipated. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.560 So I'm just wondering, who is our leadership, how will 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.240 we come together, and what is the plan, and why 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.760 aren't we being effective right now? We only have so 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.960 many days before the inauguration, so if there's anything that's 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.200 going to be done, it needs to be done. Time 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.200 is of the essence, So tell me, guys what you think. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:33.480 Thanks to Derek Vinroe, a brilliant hairstyleist, somebody I've loved 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.240 over the years, having conversations with while also getting my 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.240 we done, I just I want to say, there's so 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.440 much about this tip. You brought this up before the 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.880 break that's not normal. And one of the frustrations that 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.320 I'm hearing percolate quite a bit is if the Democratic 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.360 candidate and the campaign hedged its bets on Donald Trump 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:59.000 being a fascist, why is it that after he's won 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.120 the election, he's no longer being treated as a fascist. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:07.080 Case in point was Joe Biden meeting with him in 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.800 the Oval Office for a peaceful transition of power. Kamala 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.800 Harrison her concession speech talked about a peaceful transition of power. 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.840 But how do you have a peaceful transition with someone 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:24.720 who actually isn't so peaceful in his remarks in some 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:26.880 of the things that he's done in the past as president? 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.520 What is this all about? So I wanted to make 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.080 sure that I was actually accurate. There is some law 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.960 for this. The Presidential Transition Act of nineteen sixty three 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.040 ensures that there is some transitional things that happen. Most 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.240 of it come from an entity called the GSA, the 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:48.200 General Services Agency in the federal government, and actually don't 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.520 have much to do with the pageantry that happens in 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.920 the Oval Office. Now, they say that an incumbent president 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.480 has three responsibilities. One is the law, two is president, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.680 and three is goodwill. But I want to know how 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.800 far good will should go? Should he be meeting with 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.000 Donald Trump in the Oval Office for a peaceful transition 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.040 of power? Is that a way to neutralize some of 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.840 what is to come? I actually don't like it. Y'all. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.359 Maybe I'm just out here, maybe I'm Andrew. I know 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.480 you're the resident diplomat among us, and you may see 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.640 it differently, but it actually really grinds my gears that 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.000 this is something that we double tripled, quadrupled down on. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.399 I really believe this man is a fascist and a 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.199 racist and a bigot, and he's a xenophobic person and 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.080 he you know, all of those things, and not to 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.239 just label him, but these are the things that we 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.000 say based on the words that have come out of 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.800 his mouth. So why is there the pageantry in the oval? Right? 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:40.760 You know? 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:46.520 Well? I two quick things. One, I think Joe Biden 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:51.360 having rested so much of his rebirth in his run 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.840 for presidency, and even Kamala through the prosecuting of the 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.199 case around why Donald Trump is unfit to serve in 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.920 the office again, they were they they were rightly trying 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.880 to wring the alarm, sound the alarm, treat him as 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.440 not normal, as a pariah in many ways. But once 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.160 the people have spoken, once voters have decided, and in 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:18.119 this way, you know, in a in a in a 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:24.160 in a relatively convincing this way in modern politics, given 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:29.160 the spread it is incumbent upon the existing leadership too, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:34.880 in my opinion, hold with its traditions and its norms, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:40.320 and quite frankly, it's been done. Hillary Clinton sat there 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.119 as the opponent of Donald Trump, but as a former 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.000 First Lady and wife to President Bill Clinton, you know, 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.760 you know, and and hair distance to Donald Trump as 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.399 he took the oath of office. I can't imagine what 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.239 this woman wanted to do, snatch his hair, hers and 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.680 everybody else's. But that's not what we do in democratic societies. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.159 And as frustrating as it is, it will frustrate me 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.200 to have to see Michelle and Barack Obama and Bill 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:13.719 and Hillary Clinton and even the Bushes, even though George 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.400 Bush stayed silent in the cycle. But they will sit 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.320 on that platform, in that podium, and they will demonstrate 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.359 not only to Americans, but to the rest of the 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:29.159 world that what what what mature, sophisticated democratic societies do 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.879 is they have peaceful transfers of power, the passing of 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.199 leadership from one party to the other. And I know 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.720 I'm a traditional list in this way, but I do 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.959 believe the optics are important to communicate it's it's it 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.159 was fine to treat him as a Parian, call him 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.439 every name under the child of God up until the 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.439 point that voters decided that they wanted him to be 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.080 their president again. And at that point he is entitled 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:57.320 to the rights, privileges, customs, and obviously the the the 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:05.600 legal UH justifications for his access president. Now, by the way, 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.320 that doesn't stop us from protesting. That doesn't stop us 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:14.560 from UH disagreeing vehemently with those things that he does 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.520 that we disagree with. But as it relates to I 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:22.159 think the traditions of the office and the passing of 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:26.120 of of of leadership from one administration one party to another, 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.639 it is important to keep those those traditions, if not 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:33.120 just for ourselves, certainly as an example to the rest 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.320 of the world that this is what democracies do. You 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.440 don't hold power just because you want to keep it. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.639 You don't get to stay in office after voters have 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.040 said you got to go. You don't do what Trump 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.920 did and act like a tangent, you know, a kid 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:46.119 on it. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.000 How he's going to share up? So why are we 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.560 trying to be normal? I guess that's my question. 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.960 No, no, no, I came after George Bush and he was 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.199 against everything this man. No no, no, no, no. 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.400 No no. This man is an actual fashion is who 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:04.000 said that once he's elected, there will not be another election. 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.199 So why are they sitting down with him in the 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.400 Oval office for a peaceful transition of power to not democracy? 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.920 Why are we sitting down to have a peaceful transition 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:16.679 of power to fascism? 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:17.800 Why are we sitting down? 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:19.000 All right? 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:24.200 Well, Andrew, I gotta tell you I completely disagree. Yes, yes, 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.960 well let me. This kind of shifts us to what 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:29.760 Angela wanted to talk about. But I'm going to tell 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:35.000 you why. You know, we have brunch after the election, 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:40.159 and one of our friends said we that Democrats keep 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.159