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Speaker 1: This is episode fifty three of Native Land Pod. The
Speaker 1: last time you saw us it was election night. So
Speaker 1: this is our first show after the election. And in
Speaker 1: the spirit of everything that you guys are feeling and
Speaker 1: that we're feeling, we're going to jump right into the
Speaker 1: show today. It's been quite quite a few days, guys,
Speaker 1: so curious what we're going to talk about today, Angela,
Speaker 1: I will kick it off with you.
Speaker 4: I want to talk about the stage of grief that
Speaker 4: we might all be at. I'm sure they're different. And
Speaker 4: I also want to talk about the incoming appointments from
Speaker 4: the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: I'm eager to talk about that, Andrew, because I know
Speaker 1: you have a lot of insight on Miss Susie Wild's
Speaker 1: the incoming chief of staff.
Speaker 3: So but what else did you want to talk about us?
Speaker 5: To be said, So first off, welcome home everybody, and
Speaker 5: we appreciate y'all joining us again. And speaking of stages
Speaker 5: of grief, I got my all black and Tiffany just
Speaker 5: for you button directly to the top.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about, which I think is
Speaker 1: in line with everything you guys are saying.
Speaker 3: What do we do now? What is the path forward? Essentially?
Speaker 3: So with that, let's get into the show.
Speaker 4: Hi native Lampod family.
Speaker 6: So I am from the state of Illinois and we
Speaker 6: went blue. So I felt like we understood the assignment
Speaker 6: as far as elections go. My question is, how do
Speaker 6: we grapple with the reality of what just happened? I mean,
Speaker 6: America chose someone who is racist, a bigot, a felon,
Speaker 6: and willingly voted to put him back into the highest
Speaker 6: office of the land. I, for the life of me,
Speaker 6: cannot understand how that happened. And I can't understand people,
Speaker 6: even some in my own family, justifying that decision. It
Speaker 6: makes no sense to me. The Republicans could have put
Speaker 6: anyone up to be elected, anybody, but they chose him.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: How do we grapple with what just happened? And I
Speaker 1: think that's what we spent the last week trying to do.
Speaker 1: So Andrew, how do we grapple?
Speaker 5: Well, one, it's individual. Each of us have our own
Speaker 5: ways of getting through this. I got to tell you
Speaker 5: it was I'll confess my coping was bad. I spent
Speaker 5: more days in it than I would like to admit,
Speaker 5: mostly because I didn't want to watch anything serious. I
Speaker 5: didn't want to read anything serious. I didn't want to
Speaker 5: believe what the country again had done. And then the
Speaker 5: last few days I kind of dived directly in trying
Speaker 5: to understand it and to be curious. I saw aoc
Speaker 5: post on that Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez out of New York
Speaker 5: who basically went to Instagram and said, Hey, can y'all
Speaker 5: help me understand? And she did, And I thought, in
Speaker 5: a very sincere and genuine way, how is it that
Speaker 5: you could vote for me or other and other Democrats
Speaker 5: down ballot, but then select Donald Trump at the top
Speaker 5: of the ballot. What are the things that you find
Speaker 5: that we share in common. I bring this up, Tiff
Speaker 5: and Angela because while this is completely non scientific, and
Speaker 5: by the way, the graphic that we are showing, for
Speaker 5: those of you who are watching and for those of
Speaker 5: you listening, I'll just describe it MSNBC Michel Norris, a
Speaker 5: new contributor there, sort of abbreviate it. Some of the
Speaker 5: statements that people were posting back to her Instagram around
Speaker 5: what do democrats that you voted for, like me and
Speaker 5: Trump have in common that will cause you to split
Speaker 5: the ballot. Some of the responses were, it's real, simple Trump,
Speaker 5: and you care about the working class. Someone else said,
Speaker 5: but wanted to change, so I went with Trump and
Speaker 5: blew for the rest of the ballot to put some
Speaker 5: breaks on them. Voted Trump, but I like you and Bernie.
Speaker 5: I don't trust either party establishment politicians. And it said also,
Speaker 5: I feel like Trump and you are both real and
Speaker 5: I think you know all of it. It strikes us
Speaker 5: all differently. The way in which Sean Trump shows up
Speaker 5: great alarm. Some people may not remember what his first
Speaker 5: term was, like the million people who died in the
Speaker 5: wake of his mishandling of COVID, his erraticism, his assault
Speaker 5: on protesters, and turning the military on them so that
Speaker 5: he can hold the Bible upside down. Maybe some people
Speaker 5: just didn't dive in because they got a check that
Speaker 5: had his name on it, even though it came from
Speaker 5: the US government made available to them by the Democrats
Speaker 5: and control of the Congress. Whatever it is that allows
Speaker 5: you to missed over the overwhelming reg you know, sort
Speaker 5: of disqualifiers for the Office of the Presidency. People were
Speaker 5: able to miss over it and find their own reasons
Speaker 5: for why they could stick with him. And I know
Speaker 5: we'll get into all of that, but I would just
Speaker 5: say to the viewer, the listener who posed the question,
Speaker 5: I think this is going to be a much more
Speaker 5: complicated answer, and we won't be able to answer it
Speaker 5: today and maybe in the next few weeks or in
Speaker 5: the coming years, but I don't think we're going to
Speaker 5: be able to resolve this thing simply on the question
Speaker 5: of race and gender alone. And if we want to
Speaker 5: understand it better, we're gonna have to be willing to
Speaker 5: dig in, ask some tough questions, find ourselves in some
Speaker 5: uncomfortable places. And I don't mean for the unreachable folks.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about for the people who are similar to us,
Speaker 5: grew up similar to us, have the likeness in so
Speaker 5: many ways, but somehow reasoned themselves into a different choice
Speaker 5: this time. I'm curious at this stage, still a little
Speaker 5: bit angry, but my advice would be feel what you
Speaker 5: need to feel. And I can't even imagine for black
Speaker 5: women who poured out so much of themselves just how
Speaker 5: badly this cuts. But I just want you to know
Speaker 5: that it cuts pretty badly for a lot of men,
Speaker 5: myself included as well.
Speaker 2: Andrew.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with your point about
Speaker 1: going beyond race and gender, but we'll get into that later.
Speaker 1: Because Angel I feel like you and I talked the most,
Speaker 1: probably since election, and the grief is so heavy.
Speaker 3: How's your heart? But what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Also?
Speaker 4: So a few things. One is I was hoping that
Speaker 4: we could kind of succinctly go through like the stages
Speaker 4: of grief because they have been so extreme, and I
Speaker 4: think that there's so many people at home, including just
Speaker 4: based on that question, who can relate to that. But
Speaker 4: I have vacillated. I haven't had it clean cut to
Speaker 4: each stage. I've gone from deep sadness and depression. Like
Speaker 4: Andrew mentioned, I was waking up in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night going pop, like is this real? Like thinking
Speaker 4: it was like a Groundhog's day moment. I thought this
Speaker 4: was going to play out differently because Joy and Brittany
Speaker 4: and I prayed the day before the election this time,
Speaker 4: instead of me calling Joy the day after the election
Speaker 4: like what happened, and I still ended up having to
Speaker 4: make the call like what happened? And then I went
Speaker 4: through Denio, which was like, Okay, clearly this thing was stolen.
Speaker 4: Who did he still votes from last time he was
Speaker 4: looking for votes, So clearly he must have found the votes.
Speaker 4: Elon could get on people's phones and text him about
Speaker 4: cotton they need to be picking. Surely he could figure
Speaker 4: out a way to be negotiating with these various precinct
Speaker 4: officials in states to figure this out. And then I
Speaker 4: talked to campaign staff who shall remain nameless, and the
Speaker 4: rage that I feel for these and the things that
Speaker 4: they've been through, the ways in which they were gas lit,
Speaker 4: the ways in which Andrew we saw this play out
Speaker 4: in your election. I'm angry now and I'm sad because
Speaker 4: I will be damned if they rest this at the
Speaker 4: feet of Kamala de Harris. The stuff that needs to
Speaker 4: be overturned and changed up and ended is astounding, Like
Speaker 4: my mind is frankly blown. Like the level of surprise
Speaker 4: that I keep dropping down into is just more than
Speaker 4: I can even bear and articulate. So in short, I
Speaker 4: am still vacillating between the various stages of grief. What
Speaker 4: I'm trying to lean into is not my outward expression
Speaker 4: of frustration and rage. I'm trying to deepen into listening.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of internal conversations to be had
Speaker 4: that I'm listening to, and there are a lot of
Speaker 4: extra jural conversations to be had that, frankly, I'm not
Speaker 4: even ready to have because of the deep betrayal I
Speaker 4: feel by this country and the deep, deep betrayal that
Speaker 4: I feel for a party that I think regularly takes
Speaker 4: us for granted as voters, takes us for granted as consultants,
Speaker 4: takes us for granted as media, takes us for granted
Speaker 4: as staffers. And that's absolutely candidates, absolutely, And that is
Speaker 4: the conversation that I want to have. It just ain't right.
Speaker 1: Just quickly, what are the stages of grief? You said,
Speaker 1: deep sadness, anger.
Speaker 4: I said deep sadness. I said denial. T well, I
Speaker 4: expressed denial, but I didn't name denial. And then I
Speaker 4: talked about rage. At some point, there's acceptance. I ain't
Speaker 4: accepted nothing yet, you know.
Speaker 1: I will tell you, guys, I did not after the election.
Speaker 1: I did not watch the news. I couldn't. So to
Speaker 1: this day, I have not seen Donald Trump's speech from
Speaker 1: election night. Probably in the past two days. Like you, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I just re emerged. I didn't read a paper. I
Speaker 1: just didn't consume a lot of information, and so the
Speaker 1: past few days it's really hit me. I'll say the
Speaker 1: first few days after election, I wept every day, every
Speaker 1: single day.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of conversations with people, and I
Speaker 1: think one of the most sad experiences of this is,
Speaker 1: of course talking to other black women and what we
Speaker 1: all feel after being betrayed by this country and having
Speaker 1: our hearts broken by this country. But it was also
Speaker 1: sad to your point, Andrew, talking to men. I talked
Speaker 1: to every black man I know also wept, and they
Speaker 1: wept because they said they talked about looking at their
Speaker 1: daughters and what their daughters had gone through, and how
Speaker 1: hopeful and excited they were. And that was one of
Speaker 1: the questions I asked, how do you look at young
Speaker 1: black children and say you can dream, you can do anything,
Speaker 1: you can be whatever you want to be, and know
Speaker 1: that there are caps to those dreams as of right
Speaker 1: now in this country, their caps to those dreams. So
Speaker 1: I think I've just been deeply sad. I've not wanted
Speaker 1: to engage in the you know, the post election analysis
Speaker 1: that so many people jumped out there to do. I
Speaker 1: tried to watch cable news a few times, and I
Speaker 1: just to be honest with you, this is hard because
Speaker 1: we all know some of these people. But I just thought,
Speaker 1: y'all are on these airways bullshitting these people because you
Speaker 1: know good and damn will. The conversations we were having
Speaker 1: amongst ourselves was way different than what they were saying
Speaker 1: on air, And I got increasingly frustrated watching people dance
Speaker 1: and tap dance and bend themselves and not for the
Speaker 1: comfort of white folks because they were so anxious, probably
Speaker 1: about their own contracts and not wanting to say the
Speaker 1: wrong thing, and talking about this bullshit like it's normal
Speaker 1: and normalizing all the plans that he had, or normalizing
Speaker 1: his cabinet picks, all those things. It just it just
Speaker 1: made me feel so incredibly frustrated, and it just begged
Speaker 1: the question of if you are someone who wants to
Speaker 1: make change to your point, Angela about talking to the staff,
Speaker 1: and I hope you share some of the specific things,
Speaker 1: because I have talked to a few folks too, and
Speaker 1: I doubt that there's gonna be a lot of daylight
Speaker 1: and what people said about their experience, but it just
Speaker 1: made me think, if you are a person, particularly a
Speaker 1: black person, who wants to institute change, you don't join
Speaker 1: things to become a yes man or a yes woman.
Speaker 1: You join to disrupt, and then when you're met with
Speaker 1: so much resistance, it can beat some people down and
Speaker 1: sometimes they gonna slice the head off one of them
Speaker 1: and hold them up and say, this is what happens
Speaker 1: to you when you try to buck this system. And
Speaker 1: I feel like that has happened in cable news. I
Speaker 1: certainly have a testimony. I feel like that's happened in campaigns,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's happened and politically in the country. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know where y'all want to go from here,
Speaker 1: but that's that's how I've felt. And I know we
Speaker 1: have a lot to get to. So I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about the cabinet. I do want to talk
Speaker 1: about black and Latino men, but I just wanted to
Speaker 1: take that moment to reflect back to folks that all
Speaker 1: three of us have felt what you are have felt
Speaker 1: the past few days.
Speaker 5: And I just want to give voice to the children
Speaker 5: because you raised that. My wife was with the kids
Speaker 5: on election night, so they woke up the next morning
Speaker 5: and Jackson happened to overhear the news and ran up
Speaker 5: to Jay, you know, to our bedroom, and he's in tears, saying, Mommy,
Speaker 5: Donald Trump beat Kamala Harris and then the other two
Speaker 5: run up and now they're sad. And that evening, when
Speaker 5: I got back to the house, the first thing out
Speaker 5: of Jackson's mouth was, Daddy, Kamala didn't win. Are we
Speaker 5: gonna be okay? And I said, you know, we had
Speaker 5: a conversation, but we tried to keep them separated from this, right,
Speaker 5: And I imagine a lot of parents tried to keep
Speaker 5: them separated from the news so they wouldn't hear all
Speaker 5: of the stuff and be worried. And so just I
Speaker 5: just said that to say to the parents who are
Speaker 5: raising little people who don't all the way get and
Speaker 5: grasp all of this, but are feeling the emotions of us,
Speaker 5: the adults, the parents, they know the difference between good
Speaker 5: and bad, right and wrong, and they're watching wrong went
Speaker 5: out and they're trying to make sense of it. And
Speaker 5: I just want to encourage us to be in in
Speaker 5: transparent conversation with our kids. Not you don't got to
Speaker 5: go all rate it, but you got to talk to
Speaker 5: them about what this process is about and why we
Speaker 5: show up in it to hopefully make, you know, the
Speaker 5: road a little smoother for them in the future.
Speaker 3: Well, I was thinking, go go ahead, Angela.
Speaker 4: Well before I was thinking, it looks like we're just
Speaker 4: about upon a break. So maybe I'll think on the
Speaker 4: other side of the break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's literally what I was about to say. I
Speaker 1: don't know where y'all want to go, but Trump has
Speaker 1: already named thirteen or stayed his intention with the thirteen
Speaker 1: members of his cabinet, and I know Andrew, you want
Speaker 1: to get into the mail of voting blocks. So on
Speaker 1: the other side of this break, we'll dive into both
Speaker 1: of those topics. We'll see you on the other guy.
Speaker 7: What's up, Native Lampid. My name is Dereck Monroe. I'm
Speaker 7: from Harlem, New York, and my question is what does
Speaker 7: this fight look like for us? I feel like I
Speaker 7: get it, we're all overwhelmed at this point, but I
Speaker 7: think it's time that we need to get together and strategize.
Speaker 7: And I'm just wondering who, especially when it comes to
Speaker 7: the black community, are our leaders that would bring us
Speaker 7: together so that we can strategize effectively so that we
Speaker 7: are not just taking advantage of I feel like we
Speaker 7: are too busy being reactive and not proactive. I understand
Speaker 7: when I see on social media everbody it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 7: we're just gonna see how this play out, in fear
Speaker 7: that the playout will be worse than what anybody anticipated.
Speaker 7: So I'm just wondering, who is our leadership, how will
Speaker 7: we come together, and what is the plan, and why
Speaker 7: aren't we being effective right now? We only have so
Speaker 7: many days before the inauguration, so if there's anything that's
Speaker 7: going to be done, it needs to be done. Time
Speaker 7: is of the essence, So tell me, guys what you think.
Speaker 4: Thanks to Derek Vinroe, a brilliant hairstyleist, somebody I've loved
Speaker 4: over the years, having conversations with while also getting my
Speaker 4: we done, I just I want to say, there's so
Speaker 4: much about this tip. You brought this up before the
Speaker 4: break that's not normal. And one of the frustrations that
Speaker 4: I'm hearing percolate quite a bit is if the Democratic
Speaker 4: candidate and the campaign hedged its bets on Donald Trump
Speaker 4: being a fascist, why is it that after he's won
Speaker 4: the election, he's no longer being treated as a fascist.
Speaker 4: Case in point was Joe Biden meeting with him in
Speaker 4: the Oval Office for a peaceful transition of power. Kamala
Speaker 4: Harrison her concession speech talked about a peaceful transition of power.
Speaker 4: But how do you have a peaceful transition with someone
Speaker 4: who actually isn't so peaceful in his remarks in some
Speaker 4: of the things that he's done in the past as president?
Speaker 4: What is this all about? So I wanted to make
Speaker 4: sure that I was actually accurate. There is some law
Speaker 4: for this. The Presidential Transition Act of nineteen sixty three
Speaker 4: ensures that there is some transitional things that happen. Most
Speaker 4: of it come from an entity called the GSA, the
Speaker 4: General Services Agency in the federal government, and actually don't
Speaker 4: have much to do with the pageantry that happens in
Speaker 4: the Oval Office. Now, they say that an incumbent president
Speaker 4: has three responsibilities. One is the law, two is president,
Speaker 4: and three is goodwill. But I want to know how
Speaker 4: far good will should go? Should he be meeting with
Speaker 4: Donald Trump in the Oval Office for a peaceful transition
Speaker 4: of power? Is that a way to neutralize some of
Speaker 4: what is to come? I actually don't like it. Y'all.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just out here, maybe I'm Andrew. I know
Speaker 4: you're the resident diplomat among us, and you may see
Speaker 4: it differently, but it actually really grinds my gears that
Speaker 4: this is something that we double tripled, quadrupled down on.
Speaker 4: I really believe this man is a fascist and a
Speaker 4: racist and a bigot, and he's a xenophobic person and
Speaker 4: he you know, all of those things, and not to
Speaker 4: just label him, but these are the things that we
Speaker 4: say based on the words that have come out of
Speaker 4: his mouth. So why is there the pageantry in the oval? Right?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: Well? I two quick things. One, I think Joe Biden
Speaker 5: having rested so much of his rebirth in his run
Speaker 5: for presidency, and even Kamala through the prosecuting of the
Speaker 5: case around why Donald Trump is unfit to serve in
Speaker 5: the office again, they were they they were rightly trying
Speaker 5: to wring the alarm, sound the alarm, treat him as
Speaker 5: not normal, as a pariah in many ways. But once
Speaker 5: the people have spoken, once voters have decided, and in
Speaker 5: this way, you know, in a in a in a
Speaker 5: in a relatively convincing this way in modern politics, given
Speaker 5: the spread it is incumbent upon the existing leadership too,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, hold with its traditions and its norms,
Speaker 5: and quite frankly, it's been done. Hillary Clinton sat there
Speaker 5: as the opponent of Donald Trump, but as a former
Speaker 5: First Lady and wife to President Bill Clinton, you know,
Speaker 5: you know, and and hair distance to Donald Trump as
Speaker 5: he took the oath of office. I can't imagine what
Speaker 5: this woman wanted to do, snatch his hair, hers and
Speaker 5: everybody else's. But that's not what we do in democratic societies.
Speaker 5: And as frustrating as it is, it will frustrate me
Speaker 5: to have to see Michelle and Barack Obama and Bill
Speaker 5: and Hillary Clinton and even the Bushes, even though George
Speaker 5: Bush stayed silent in the cycle. But they will sit
Speaker 5: on that platform, in that podium, and they will demonstrate
Speaker 5: not only to Americans, but to the rest of the
Speaker 5: world that what what what mature, sophisticated democratic societies do
Speaker 5: is they have peaceful transfers of power, the passing of
Speaker 5: leadership from one party to the other. And I know
Speaker 5: I'm a traditional list in this way, but I do
Speaker 5: believe the optics are important to communicate it's it's it
Speaker 5: was fine to treat him as a Parian, call him
Speaker 5: every name under the child of God up until the
Speaker 5: point that voters decided that they wanted him to be
Speaker 5: their president again. And at that point he is entitled
Speaker 5: to the rights, privileges, customs, and obviously the the the
Speaker 5: legal UH justifications for his access president. Now, by the way,
Speaker 5: that doesn't stop us from protesting. That doesn't stop us
Speaker 5: from UH disagreeing vehemently with those things that he does
Speaker 5: that we disagree with. But as it relates to I
Speaker 5: think the traditions of the office and the passing of
Speaker 5: of of of leadership from one administration one party to another,
Speaker 5: it is important to keep those those traditions, if not
Speaker 5: just for ourselves, certainly as an example to the rest
Speaker 5: of the world that this is what democracies do. You
Speaker 5: don't hold power just because you want to keep it.
Speaker 5: You don't get to stay in office after voters have
Speaker 5: said you got to go. You don't do what Trump
Speaker 5: did and act like a tangent, you know, a kid
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 4: How he's going to share up? So why are we
Speaker 4: trying to be normal? I guess that's my question.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I came after George Bush and he was
Speaker 5: against everything this man. No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: No no. This man is an actual fashion is who
Speaker 4: said that once he's elected, there will not be another election.
Speaker 4: So why are they sitting down with him in the
Speaker 4: Oval office for a peaceful transition of power to not democracy?
Speaker 4: Why are we sitting down to have a peaceful transition
Speaker 4: of power to fascism?
Speaker 5: Why are we sitting down?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, I gotta tell you I completely disagree. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: well let me. This kind of shifts us to what
Speaker 1: Angela wanted to talk about. But I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you why. You know, we have brunch after the election,
Speaker 1: and one of our friends said we that Democrats keep
Speaker 1: running change candidates and Republicans keep running change the rural candidates.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we have here, and I
Speaker 1: want to talk about why I don't accept that. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the way it's done. And now it's time to
Speaker 1: you know, hold hands in Saint Kumbaya. Not that you're
Speaker 1: saying that, but even the whole like imagery to the
Speaker 1: globe of yes, we've accepted this.
Speaker 3: And we're turning the keys over to this man.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is one of the wealthiest men in the globe.
Speaker 1: He obviously had a huge hand in Trump's election. The
Speaker 1: thing that we haven't discussed in detail on this podcast
Speaker 1: is that his companies were promised over three billion dollars
Speaker 1: in contracts across seventeen government agencies. This man was running
Speaker 1: essentially a puppet regime for voters, media, and the candidate himself.
Speaker 1: He will essentially be tapped to oversee people who would
Speaker 1: be regulating him. I don't think the country, and perhaps
Speaker 1: not everybody even on this podcast, has wrapped our arms
Speaker 1: around what it means to completely undo democratic norms and
Speaker 1: principles in this country. I don't think that we have
Speaker 1: considered the domestic policy that will completely upend what we
Speaker 1: what are our social norms and moras are political norms
Speaker 1: and moras. I don't think that we've comprehended what this
Speaker 1: means on a global scale to accept that, well, this
Speaker 1: is what it is, and he has to welcome him
Speaker 1: into the White House. This is a man. The media
Speaker 1: has normalized it. But I think as people who look
Speaker 1: like us in our community, I think they depend on
Speaker 1: us to be.
Speaker 3: Able to see through the bullshit.
Speaker 1: And despite the media treating this man like oh well,
Speaker 1: he says he's going to point, somebody who wants to
Speaker 1: kill the Department of Education, What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Instead of oh my god, what, I don't really care
Speaker 1: what pundits think about killing the Department of Education. You
Speaker 1: as a reporter, you as a journalist hosting a show,
Speaker 1: I'd rather you talk to us about the real, live
Speaker 1: ass consequences that will have on the American people.
Speaker 5: We agree, But those are two separate things.
Speaker 3: But you're saying. But part of what you're saying suggest
Speaker 3: that this is all normal.
Speaker 5: Well, don't let me. Don't let me because I can say,
Speaker 5: I can say things.
Speaker 4: Well say it more clearly, because that's what it sounded
Speaker 4: like to me.
Speaker 5: No. No, So ceremony is one thing. These are ceremonies
Speaker 5: that have been cultivated over a period of time that
Speaker 5: don't inure any approval to this man's agenda. It doesn't,
Speaker 5: It doesn't, It doesn't rubber stamp, sign off on or
Speaker 5: agree with Elon Musk being not just a gatekeeper, watchkeeper,
Speaker 5: but nowhere near the government of the United States.
Speaker 4: Bin Laden sitting down in the old Office with the President,
Speaker 4: what they have had were letting down with the president.
Speaker 4: Can this man is a terrorist?
Speaker 5: This isn't that that's not the point. All I'm saying
Speaker 5: is we can go off the is.
Speaker 4: The point we can.
Speaker 3: Let me hear what you have to say.
Speaker 5: You can go off the cliff and never ever ever
Speaker 5: get power again. You can, you can, We can know
Speaker 5: that isn't where we are because we haven't begun, he said, Angela, Angela,
Speaker 5: you are smart. However, your wisdom does not supplant that
Speaker 5: of all of the American people who went out and voted.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately, I've had to subject myself to the same
Speaker 5: damn thing. You don't think I'm hurt. I felt awful,
Speaker 5: I felt humiliating, I'm gonna finish my point, and ashamed
Speaker 5: that I had to call a guy and who I
Speaker 5: don't respect, who I don't like in anything else, and
Speaker 5: concede a race for governor. No, it didn't feel good.
Speaker 5: It didn't feel good to Kamala either. She had she
Speaker 5: had warned the country of what a fascist looked like,
Speaker 5: and it was him in standing for him. Yet she
Speaker 5: picked up the phone. She made the call because that's
Speaker 5: what mature democracies do. Now, two things, we don't want
Speaker 5: to conflate two different things. Do you think Kamala Harris
Speaker 5: is rubber Stampton signed off on his policies.
Speaker 4: I didn't check her, but it is no. I didn't
Speaker 4: even bring this is why.
Speaker 5: But you didn't. But I did not. I'm saying I
Speaker 5: asked ques Angela, but I.
Speaker 4: Did presidential nineteen sixty three and the whole office meeting
Speaker 4: not being statutorily required. Again, that finish your finish her point,
Speaker 4: because I don't want to be I don't want to
Speaker 4: be labeled as saying something else. I didn't say anything
Speaker 4: about yours. I say anything about it.
Speaker 3: Think Andrew's making a different point.
Speaker 4: So Andrew, it's not okay to say that I essentially,
Speaker 4: but you can suggest, you can assign, you want.
Speaker 5: To, can assign, you can assign. You can assign me
Speaker 5: saying that the president should attend inauguration and host the
Speaker 5: incoming president at the White House as being a rubber
Speaker 5: stamp of Elon.
Speaker 4: Musk said that I did not say anything about.
Speaker 5: Me that point though. Let me give back to the
Speaker 5: point if I could. The point is we can still
Speaker 5: disagree with this man vehemently, and the fight still remains.
Speaker 5: Him sitting down for an hour long coffee is not
Speaker 5: what we are really taking issue with. What we are
Speaker 5: really gonna be taking issue with is when he starts
Speaker 5: lying people up in marth m out of this country,
Speaker 5: when he comes in my neighborhood, for my children, from
Speaker 5: my family, for my way of life. Those are the
Speaker 5: fights and we have to give up. And to bring
Speaker 5: us back to what the question was, it was how
Speaker 5: we are going to strategize around our fight back against
Speaker 5: this man. And I appreciated the brother mentioning the fact
Speaker 5: that we can't just say we're gonna wait and see
Speaker 5: what happens. Why because other people and other communities have
Speaker 5: the privilege of wait and see. But for us, wait
Speaker 5: and see what happens means immunity, for law enforcement officers
Speaker 5: who then go out and slaughter our children. It means
Speaker 5: food and food support programs not getting to the people
Speaker 5: who need it most, and so on and so on
Speaker 5: and so on. Those battles, I have no resignation on
Speaker 5: any of them. We will fight those as they come
Speaker 5: and before they get here. But we litigated the fact
Speaker 5: that this man is a fascist. In the election, the
Speaker 5: voters had the opportunity to consume that and make a
Speaker 5: decision as to whether or not they cared. And we
Speaker 5: don't get to supplant our knowledge, our will, our want
Speaker 5: over a democratic practice like an election. That was my point,
Speaker 5: and so certain.
Speaker 4: Norms must have been an issue that wasn't an issue.
Speaker 4: Certain norms some things when they're when things are not normal,
Speaker 4: norms go out the window. And I appreciate your perspective.
Speaker 4: I am not saying, nor have I ever said, that
Speaker 4: my wisdom, my knowledge, my limited experience takes every single voter,
Speaker 4: the millions, the millions of people that voted for Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: or the millions of people that voted for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to supplant any of that. What I'm
Speaker 4: saying is there comes a time where we have to
Speaker 4: question the pageantry and determine if the pageantry is worth
Speaker 4: our credibility. That is what I'm asking. If we have
Speaker 4: said this man is a fascist, if we have said
Speaker 4: democracy is on the line, if we have said the
Speaker 4: things that we know and have relied upon for government
Speaker 4: support and programming will be no more, and we throw
Speaker 4: all of that out the window so that Joe Biden
Speaker 4: can skin and grin in a meeting with this man
Speaker 4: who was mugging the camera. He's stilling character.
Speaker 5: But do you think Joe Biden. Do you think Joe
Speaker 5: Biden not.
Speaker 4: Talking about what he wanted to do. I'm talking about
Speaker 4: what he did. But what he did about what he
Speaker 4: wanted to do.
Speaker 5: About what he did was demonstrate not Joe Biden's personal
Speaker 5: will toward Donald Trump, but the will and the graciousness
Speaker 5: and the magnanimity of the office of president. And just
Speaker 5: because one derelict, Donald Trump has no respect for democracies
Speaker 5: in our norms, doesn't mean that we are then equal
Speaker 5: by abandoning them right along with them.
Speaker 4: I think that if he took an old I would
Speaker 4: like for us to pull up the presidential oath well,
Speaker 4: because I think that it's actually a violation of the
Speaker 4: presidential to sit down and meet with this man.
Speaker 3: I will, That's what I think. That that's an opinion,
Speaker 3: but I think.
Speaker 4: It is my opinion that said I think, Angela, I
Speaker 4: hear you, Number one, cool, no need to shout.
Speaker 3: I hear you, and.
Speaker 4: I understand. I'm not I don't feel attacked, and I'm
Speaker 4: not attacking any of my passion, Okay, I just want
Speaker 4: to exchange everything, and I am also passionate.
Speaker 5: Why I have siphoned off on occasion, Angela, you siphoned
Speaker 5: off on occasion, Tiffany, you will siphon off on an occasion.
Speaker 5: Because this is a highly charged moment. And I understand
Speaker 5: that all of us are as have strong opinions about
Speaker 5: how we feel.
Speaker 1: I just want us to be respectful to each other's well, Andrew.
Speaker 1: I hear your point, Angela, I hear your point. I
Speaker 1: have something I have something to say about both, Andrew,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the agentry of it, I do
Speaker 1: appreciate your perspective in maturity, because that is not something
Speaker 1: that we saw in Donald Trump, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was giving very much Megan McCain on the View
Speaker 1: all the time, where he would throw a temper tantrum
Speaker 1: in front of a microphone, even folk post the election.
Speaker 3: That is a challenge.
Speaker 1: Angela asked a question that I think this deserves a
Speaker 1: deeper answer to, and she was saying, would we invite
Speaker 1: the Taliban in the Oval office? Well, this just shows
Speaker 1: how the media and other people normalize what this man did,
Speaker 1: because he did, in fact invite the Taliban to Camp David.
Speaker 1: And So I think the concern in the anger and
Speaker 1: worry and pain, all of those things is rooted in
Speaker 1: what we experience, what we can easily recall and what
Speaker 1: we know to be true that is coming, that is
Speaker 1: awaiting us. Andrew, I hear your point. You're an institutionalist
Speaker 1: and you have always champion in that on this show.
Speaker 1: I think what Angela and I are saying is perhaps
Speaker 1: it is time to disrupt those institutions, Like should we
Speaker 1: be even the image of him being on that dais
Speaker 1: on inauguration Day? What might that say to the world?
Speaker 1: How might that normalize the fascism we're about to be
Speaker 1: confronted with? So I I gotta say.
Speaker 4: I agree with Angela that we should at least pose
Speaker 4: this question. Just because it's been done all this time,
Speaker 4: why does that mean it should continue to be done.
Speaker 3: I don't know that it should be at this point.
Speaker 4: I think this is beyond that there should be a
Speaker 4: peaceful transition of power. But I think this is going
Speaker 4: beyond a peaceful transition of power in terms of imagery.
Speaker 5: But wed but just to statement, it has been done
Speaker 5: every time except for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, but I think that is Angela's point
Speaker 1: that he is the fascist, Like should we do it? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's let's go would break and we'll pick that up
Speaker 1: on the other side, we'll go to a break.
Speaker 5: So and the I agree with you. I think we
Speaker 5: have to. I don't believe in doing things for doing
Speaker 5: things sake. I don't want to be I don't want
Speaker 5: to make that argument. I think it is symbolically important
Speaker 5: for the knowledge. Let's just start with the fact that
Speaker 5: the campaign that decided we were going to run on
Speaker 5: democracy can't then abandon the traditions, customs, rights, responsibilities, all
Speaker 5: to appertaining to their offices even when they're on their
Speaker 5: way out. And we have seen difficult transitions in the
Speaker 5: history of this country before. I guess what those gentlemen
Speaker 5: and well at for its day. I thought that I
Speaker 5: thought that George Bush when he stole Florida, I thought
Speaker 5: it was completely unconstitutional that this man should be taking office.
Speaker 5: How do you get to take office as president and
Speaker 5: a five for decision that then says at the end
Speaker 5: of that decision, this is not for precedents, never to
Speaker 5: be repeated, never to be referred to as president's setting. Right.
Speaker 5: But it happened, and the sky did fall in some
Speaker 5: places that I cared about. All I'm simply saying is
Speaker 5: we do have to mount a fight. We do have
Speaker 5: to push back on Donald Trump, But be over a coffee.
Speaker 5: It's going to be over his It's gonna be over
Speaker 5: his policies.
Speaker 4: You guys, I don't know how to express this enough.
Speaker 4: This is not about him having a coffee with Joe
Speaker 4: Biden in the oval. This is about the image and
Speaker 4: the signal it sends.
Speaker 3: No, she's talking about what's going to happen inauguration.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not. I'm talking about even today because we
Speaker 4: recorded this on Wednesday, him saying to Donald Trump, welcome back?
Speaker 3: Is he welcome?
Speaker 4: Why is he welcome? Why is what he stands for welcome?
Speaker 4: Why does that have a place in the most sacred
Speaker 4: place other than the capital that this nation says it built?
Speaker 4: Like why is that the case?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 4: Why is it that when democracy is on the line,
Speaker 4: this is how we respond. It does not make sense
Speaker 4: to me. I'm someone that doesn't do well in hypocrisy.
Speaker 4: I can handle nuance. I don't do well in hypocrisy.
Speaker 4: Either he's a fascist or he's not. Either he's a
Speaker 4: terrorist or he's not. Either he's an insurrectionist or he's not.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter that he's bamboo, bamboozled and pulled the
Speaker 4: wool over the eyes of many. We haven't even gotten
Speaker 4: to the appointments, none of the appointments he's made, or
Speaker 4: about the economy, which is why people said they voted
Speaker 4: for him. So either we normalize it or we decide
Speaker 4: this is the time not to normalize.
Speaker 5: Once he can be a fascist and a racist and
Speaker 5: a sexist and a misogynist and all those things, he
Speaker 5: can also be the incoming president of the United States
Speaker 5: who judgment.
Speaker 4: White House is mar Lago, Like, why, but Andrew, you're
Speaker 4: saying what I heard you say is Angela, it's a fight.
Speaker 3: It's not the fight we should be having.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: I want to push back on that point because I
Speaker 1: have to say I did not.
Speaker 5: Now, by the way, I just don't think this particular thing.
Speaker 3: I hear you with the president.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, and and I think the
Speaker 1: imagery though, Andrew, because when I did not hear Joe
Speaker 1: Biden say welcome back, welcome back, yeah, which I would
Speaker 1: have a challenge with that too. But Andrew, I have
Speaker 1: to push back on this because by Joe Biden saying
Speaker 1: that welcome back, what image does that? What message does
Speaker 1: that sin to President Zelensky. What message does that send
Speaker 1: to MODI of India? What messages does that send to
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin and Dmitri Medvedev? What message does that send
Speaker 1: to Steimer? What messages does that send to Macron? It
Speaker 1: is saying we are.
Speaker 5: Legitimizing that democracy that unfortunately, that's not what Michelle Obama
Speaker 5: and Barack Obama wanted to stand on them goddamn steps
Speaker 5: after this is the man who made him, let me
Speaker 5: made him pull.
Speaker 4: Out something this is about.
Speaker 3: But but are you're talking.
Speaker 1: About something Andrewe let me just say this, you're talking
Speaker 1: about eight years ago we didn't know, Yes, but.
Speaker 4: He had record.
Speaker 1: He had not tried to overthrow the government at that point.
Speaker 1: He had not even come out and said he would
Speaker 1: try to overthrow the government.
Speaker 3: At that point, he had done.
Speaker 1: He had raised he said, he he said, that's not what.
Speaker 1: Let me just be factually for the listeners. What he
Speaker 1: said exactly is if he shot somebody on Fifth Avenue,
Speaker 1: people would still support him. And he was quoting somebody
Speaker 1: who had written that. Let me just say, Andrew, yes,
Speaker 1: So now we see that he's right. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is in twoenty sixteen. There he was a racist.
Speaker 1: He's not the first racist to occupy the White House.
Speaker 1: He's a enophobe. He's not the first NFL to occupy
Speaker 1: the exactly.
Speaker 4: But he does not have a record as as the
Speaker 4: lead and as the commander in chief, the executive orders
Speaker 4: and actions he passed, the bills he signed, none of
Speaker 4: that had happened yet. This was the first office he
Speaker 4: was ever elected to.
Speaker 5: Previously warned us in.
Speaker 4: Twenty sixteen, and Phil jere.
Speaker 5: Who he was, it still was all this stuff about.
Speaker 5: She handed her a Tiffany's box. She welcomed her to
Speaker 5: the White House. She decided record she was hard to
Speaker 5: put her hair together. She was on the record she
Speaker 5: was going to tighten her face, but she was going
Speaker 5: to sit there and endure it for the country.
Speaker 4: I don't I want to endure another It's not about inauguration.
Speaker 6: This is not.
Speaker 5: About this is why I'm saying. This isn't the fight
Speaker 5: I should I'm saying we should have. This is what
Speaker 5: people on the substance of what why.
Speaker 4: His ass should not be welcome into the Oval? That
Speaker 4: is the whole point made that decision. I don't care.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know what I write because I think, yes,
Speaker 1: and Andrew, what you're saying is, yes, he's going to
Speaker 1: be in the Oval.
Speaker 3: We get that.
Speaker 1: I think what Angela can correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I think what Angela is saying is yes, if he's
Speaker 1: gonna be in the Oval, that doesn't mean that we
Speaker 1: have to roll out the red carpet for him. But
Speaker 1: but but let me let me just say, Andrew, I
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna agree.
Speaker 3: I think we disagree.
Speaker 1: I think, out of respect for the viewers to tune
Speaker 1: into this podcast every week, I would rather offer them
Speaker 1: some information about why we all feel so passionate about
Speaker 1: this and why we are all so concerned, and that
Speaker 1: is his cabinet and what they intend to do. So
Speaker 1: if y'all are okay with it, I'd like to get
Speaker 1: into some of these appointees and why this creates such
Speaker 1: an angst in my spirit, and that I don't think
Speaker 1: with respect to the rest of the country. I don't
Speaker 1: think the rest of the country has taken seriously. But
Speaker 1: they they have fucked around and now we are on
Speaker 1: the precipice of finding out. So let's Angela. I know
Speaker 1: you pull some sound from the cabinet. Let's play that
Speaker 1: and then argue over these crazy people, because that's who
Speaker 1: were mad at. For the listeners, listening is an intense conversation.
Speaker 1: We're not mad at each other.
Speaker 4: We mad.
Speaker 3: I am mad, and I'm mad.
Speaker 4: I'm mad. I'm mad. I'm mad at more than just
Speaker 4: this incoming cabinet. I'm mad at Joe Biden today for
Speaker 4: sitting down with this man.
Speaker 3: We are all mad.
Speaker 1: I'm just letting the viewers know. We're not mad at
Speaker 1: each other. We are mad at some of the things
Speaker 1: y'all have said today.
Speaker 4: That is just it. Hey, I think it's going to do.
Speaker 1: But we're never It's not a personal argument with each other.
Speaker 1: We just have different perspectives on how how to do things. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the cabinet, well, I know there is sound, but I Andrew,
Speaker 1: I know that you have a lot to say about
Speaker 1: Susie Wiles, who will be the first woman to serve
Speaker 1: as chief of staff. But we haven't heard from from
Speaker 1: the cabinet, and as I know, you pulled sound. So
Speaker 1: do you want to kick us off with some sound?
Speaker 4: I was getting ready to do that. Sure. So there
Speaker 4: are a number of appointments that he is going to
Speaker 4: make that he's planning to make Susie Wiles has already
Speaker 4: been mentioned by Tiffany step Stephen Miller, who was recently
Speaker 4: over America First Legal, is going to transition back into
Speaker 4: the White House. And for those of you who don't
Speaker 4: know about Stephen Miller, he will be Deputy White House
Speaker 4: Chief of Staff for policy. You should look at some
Speaker 4: of the things that he said and did in the
Speaker 4: last term. Tom Holman, who is going to be the
Speaker 4: borders are I think we should roll this clip. Is
Speaker 4: there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families?
Speaker 9: Of course, families can be deported together.
Speaker 8: Why should a child who is an American citizen have
Speaker 8: to pack up and move to a country that they
Speaker 8: don't know?
Speaker 9: Could their parents absolutely enter the country illegally had a
Speaker 9: child knowing he was in the country illegally, so he
Speaker 9: created that crisis.
Speaker 4: Okay, can I.
Speaker 1: Say really quickly as I before you go on one.
Speaker 1: I definitely have more to say about Tom Holman. I
Speaker 1: watched sixty minutes as my Sunday tradition. I just want
Speaker 1: us to be factually accurate because this moves so quickly,
Speaker 1: we don't know for certain. It has just been reported
Speaker 1: that Trump could potentially intend to name Stephen Miller as the.
Speaker 3: Deputy chief of staff.
Speaker 1: What we know factually as of the time of this
Speaker 1: recording is he has publicly or his team has confirmed
Speaker 1: Susie Wilds's chief of staff and thirteen or twelve additional
Speaker 1: potential cabinet members. Then the rumors that you're hearing like
Speaker 1: they have not come out and said that they've come
Speaker 1: out and named me thirteen. I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure that we're factually at it's a test balloon.
Speaker 4: Next we expect Secretarious Day will be Senator Marco Rubio.
Speaker 4: Let's roll that sound sat.
Speaker 10: On the cot.
Speaker 4: I want you guys to get this.
Speaker 11: I want them to destroy every element of Hamas they
Speaker 11: can get their hands on. These people are viscious animals
Speaker 11: who did horrifying crimes, and I hope you guys post that.
Speaker 5: What about the civilians?
Speaker 4: Every day?
Speaker 11: HAMASA stopped hiding behind civilians, putting civilians in the way.
Speaker 11: Hamas knew that this was going to lead to this.
Speaker 11: HAMASA stopped building their military installations underneath hospital.
Speaker 5: So you don't care that fifteen thousand, You don't care
Speaker 5: about the babies that are every day.
Speaker 11: I think it's terrible, and I think Hamas is one
Speaker 11: hundred percent to blame.
Speaker 5: That's what I think.
Speaker 11: Make sure you post that please.
Speaker 1: Can I just say really quickly about Senator Marco Rubo,
Speaker 1: Republican from Florida. Again, this is somebody I know, you
Speaker 1: say he expects to name him. There's been significant pushback
Speaker 1: from Republicans. There are that, and they his campaign have
Speaker 1: come out and said they have not confirmed anything about
Speaker 1: Marcro Rubio being Secretary of State. I think is going
Speaker 1: to happen, but I just want to let folks know
Speaker 1: that there is internal pushback against this happening, which is
Speaker 1: why they haven't confirmed it.
Speaker 4: John Ratcliffe is expected to be named CIA director. Let's
Speaker 4: roll sound.
Speaker 8: Do you actually believe that the Justice Department, given that
Speaker 8: they were on the same team working together to get
Speaker 8: Hunter the sweetheart deal, or actually investigating him for that.
Speaker 10: I think we should all be skeptical of that. Katie. Look,
Speaker 10: this is probably the most politically corrupt case I've ever seen.
Speaker 10: I mean, what you're looking at here is where the
Speaker 10: Department of Justice and the FBI investigators involved in this matter.
Speaker 10: We're cutting off lines of inquiry into witnesses or access
Speaker 10: to witnesses tipping off witnesses and lawyers about subpoenas. This
Speaker 10: for Attorney General Merrick Garland, for Christopher Ray, for US
Speaker 10: Attorney Weiss, I mean they all ought to be absolutely ashamed.
Speaker 10: This is another huge black eye for the Department of
Speaker 10: Justice and the FBI, and everyone should be skeptical.
Speaker 5: When in fact, what no one had ever heard of
Speaker 5: was a person in the US being prosecuted on the
Speaker 5: crimes that they prosecuted, uh, mister Biden for never before.
Speaker 4: Mike Huckabee is expected to be named Ambassador to Israel.
Speaker 5: Let's roll that basically, I mean, there really is no
Speaker 5: such thing as I have to be careful to say this,
Speaker 5: because people.
Speaker 4: House no such thing as a Palestinians American persons.
Speaker 6: You don't.
Speaker 5: It's such a complex either than that, there's really no
Speaker 5: such thing. That's been a political tool to try to
Speaker 5: force Land away from instrument.
Speaker 4: Right Representative Right Representative Mike Waltz is supposed to be
Speaker 4: named National Security Advisor. Representative Lee Zelden Environmental Protective Agency
Speaker 4: Protection Agency Administrator A Least Tephonic is supposed to be
Speaker 4: named US Ambassador to the United Nations. Let's please roll
Speaker 4: that sound today.
Speaker 12: This means crushing anti Semitism at home and supplying the
Speaker 12: State of Israel with what it needs when it needs it,
Speaker 12: without conditions, to achieve total victory in the face of evil.
Speaker 4: Pete Hagsaith, who is a Fox News host an Army veteran,
Speaker 4: is supposed to be named the Defense Secretary. Let's please
Speaker 4: roll that sound.
Speaker 13: The military cannot be organized like a Harvard faculty lounge,
Speaker 13: catering to ever more obscure constituencies. Our key constituency is
Speaker 13: normal men and women looking to be heroes and not victims.
Speaker 13: We aren't a collection of a Greeb tribes. Meritocracy is
Speaker 13: our bedrock. Lethality is our trademark. There is no black, white,
Speaker 13: or brown in our ranks. We're all green, and we
Speaker 13: all bleed red. Our strength is not in our diversity,
Speaker 13: but in our unity and in our love for our nation,
Speaker 13: our families, and most of all each other.
Speaker 4: Christy Nauman is expected to be named the Department of
Speaker 4: Homeland Security Secretary. Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami are supposed
Speaker 4: to be over a new entity called the Department of
Speaker 4: Government Efficiency. We just played some sound today. I encourage
Speaker 4: you all to Google and look up sound for the
Speaker 4: rest of these folks what they really think and whether
Speaker 4: or now this is what you intended when you voted
Speaker 4: for the economy. Every single one of these folks who
Speaker 4: he's naming, who he's saying he intends to appoint to
Speaker 4: these positions, have said very little about the economy so far,
Speaker 4: and so I'm eager to see how your economics shake out.
Speaker 1: Just want to add to that really quickly, Andrew, Steve
Speaker 1: Whitcoff is expected to be named or his campaign has
Speaker 1: confirmed they expect to name Steve Witcoff to be Special
Speaker 1: Envoy to the Middle East, Mike Walt's National Security advisor,
Speaker 1: and Bill McGinley to White House counsel And just echo
Speaker 1: on your points that none of these people I feel comfortable.
Speaker 3: With in having any kind of influence over the government.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 5: The I think the important piece, because obviously more and
Speaker 5: more of this is going to develop over the next
Speaker 5: coming days, is that these folks really do present a
Speaker 5: total ideological shift from certainly what I believe, but largely
Speaker 5: what we've experienced from most democratic leaders. I would just
Speaker 5: note this. Mike Hucklebee, Governor Nome, the last guy, Defense
Speaker 5: Guy sounds just like they're in the pack. Are described
Speaker 5: as these sort of Christian Zionists who believe their support
Speaker 5: for Israel is unmitigated because they believe it to be
Speaker 5: biblical that that the Jewish people must reinhabit this territory
Speaker 5: in order for the return of the Messiah. And so
Speaker 5: when they say give them anything, whatever they need to do,
Speaker 5: whatever they got to do to vanquish their foe, they
Speaker 5: mean exactly that. In fact, I think you've had some
Speaker 5: of these folks on record is basically not recognizing not Hamas,
Speaker 5: but not recognizing the people of Gaza as human. I mean,
Speaker 5: they treat them as subhuman. They don't think that these
Speaker 5: folks deserve to live, breathe walk on the land as
Speaker 5: we do. In the other correction, I would make a
Speaker 5: Huckabee talked about the fact that these Palestinians were there
Speaker 5: to take the land that rightly belonged before to the Jews,
Speaker 5: And I just want to correct historically that Palestinians existed
Speaker 5: on the land prior to the Jewish stay having been established.
Speaker 5: And obviously this part of the world has been inhabited
Speaker 5: by every major faith. In fact, I think every major
Speaker 5: faith that is practiced in the world, has roots and
Speaker 5: considers segments of the Western Wall, Western Wall and its
Speaker 5: surrounding areas as their highest holy sites, among their highest
Speaker 5: holy sites. So there is no one religion that claims
Speaker 5: ownership of a total ownership of those lands, which is
Speaker 5: why there's been complex negotiated agreements right to divide them
Speaker 5: between them.
Speaker 1: Want to get back into the cabinet for a second,
Speaker 1: because some of the people that we named. Again, it's
Speaker 1: hard when you're asking people to care about everything because
Speaker 1: it ends up having an opposite effect and people don't
Speaker 1: care about anything. But I don't think we can stress
Speaker 1: enough the danger of having John Ratcliffe run the CIA.
Speaker 3: Now this is you all.
Speaker 1: For those of you who paid attention to politics, you'll
Speaker 1: remember that he was Trump's DNI, the Director of National Intelligence,
Speaker 1: and he faced numerous accusations about weaponizing intelligence to boost
Speaker 1: Trump's political prospects. You may also remember that Trump had Kislyak,
Speaker 1: the equivalent of a sect deaf in Russia. He had
Speaker 1: him in the Oval Office. He uh gave away sensitive
Speaker 1: secrets in the Oval Office.
Speaker 3: So on the global.
Speaker 1: Scale, this, uh, it should give us all pause, like
Speaker 1: this is incredibly dangerous. Governor Mike Huckabee, the father of
Speaker 1: Trump's first Press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, current governor of Arkansas.
Speaker 1: We played his sound, but you could literally google anything
Speaker 1: this guy has said. He's made numerous distasteful remarks. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the sect deaf pick for a minute,
Speaker 1: Mister heg says, who, as Angela said, is a Fox
Speaker 1: News host. He did serve in the Armed Forces. He
Speaker 1: served in the army. He has zero experience running any organizations.
Speaker 1: You are turning the one thing that gives us comfort
Speaker 1: in these United States, because we have attracted a lot
Speaker 1: of enemies, the one thing that gives us some level
Speaker 1: of comfort and safety outside of our morals, because there
Speaker 1: may be moral things that we take issue with, but
Speaker 1: our military budget swallows that of pretty much the rest
Speaker 1: of the globe. He is turning over the military to
Speaker 1: a Fox News host who has never run any type
Speaker 1: of organization. The same with Susan Wilds. She has worked
Speaker 1: in local Florida politics, which is how you know her, Andrew,
Speaker 1: but she has very little experience with the federal government.
Speaker 1: That chief of staff position, you have to maneuver Capitol Hill,
Speaker 1: the agencies. She's going to be learning on the job.
Speaker 1: The potential sect f heg Seth has said he doesn't
Speaker 1: believe women should serve in combat. He lacks any kind
Speaker 1: of high level strategic experience that most normal presidents would
Speaker 1: seek out of their cabinet appointees.
Speaker 5: Christie believe in the military. Yes, was harmful and has
Speaker 5: made us weaker. Yes, his statements.
Speaker 1: Christy Noam is batshit crazy and actually wrote in her
Speaker 1: book about shooting a puppy, her fourteen month old puppy.
Speaker 1: And I say that to say, obviously I love dogs,
Speaker 1: but I say that to say how hypocritical America is
Speaker 1: because Americans mostly love dogs, and they celebrated this woman
Speaker 1: who bragged about shooting her puppy. Instead, I've talked about
Speaker 1: how much pleasure it gave her, how much she hated
Speaker 1: the dog.
Speaker 3: So again I don't know. Yeah, so I don't know what.
Speaker 4: They did say that adversely impacted her ability to be
Speaker 4: chosen as his running mate. But I will say that
Speaker 4: this like this is what when you when they talk
Speaker 4: about DEI, this is a DEI cabinet based on Republican standards. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they didn't earn it. They don't have the capacity. Our
Speaker 4: friend Alicia Garz would say, they lack the range. They
Speaker 4: don't have the range, and they have no qualifications whatsoever
Speaker 4: to serve in any of these roles, none of them.
Speaker 4: And moreover, with whatever they're trying to do to get
Speaker 4: like to pull the wool over the American people's eyes.
Speaker 4: The folks that will now be granted access to sensitive
Speaker 4: compartment fitted information facilities, the skiff in the White House,
Speaker 4: they get their security clearances, they will be cleared by
Speaker 4: a private firm. They will no longer have to go
Speaker 4: through government clearance background checks to ensure that they should
Speaker 4: be handling classified documents. The documents won't just be in
Speaker 4: mar Lago, They'll be in backpacks, on planes and everywhere else.
Speaker 4: We need to be talking about, not these resumes, because
Speaker 4: there ain't no resumes here. We need to be talking
Speaker 4: about what this means for the American people. We have
Speaker 4: overwhelmingly heard an exit polls they y'all chose this candidate
Speaker 4: because of the economy. Tell me economy. Where out of
Speaker 4: all of these cabinet appointments, even the folks that are
Speaker 4: going into the White House, allegedly Stephen Miller, where has
Speaker 4: he ever talked about the economy? Where he cares about deportations.
Speaker 4: They want to send a signal. The first signal they
Speaker 4: want to send is mass deportations. What do y'all think
Speaker 4: that's going to do to your economy?
Speaker 1: Precisely, and I think we should dig into that. But
Speaker 1: what I'd like to talk about with you guys is,
Speaker 1: I guess my question is should we continue doing the show? So,
Speaker 1: you know, Nativeland Pod launched with you know, a certain intention,
Speaker 1: and now I wonder what that intention is. So we'll
Speaker 1: go to a quick break, and on the other side
Speaker 1: of this, I think we should have a heart to
Speaker 1: heart about should we continue doing the show and if so,
Speaker 1: what it looks like. So we'll get into that on
Speaker 1: the other side of the break.
Speaker 2: Well come, well, come, well, come, well, come, well come, welcome.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 5: Before you go into your finger question, I just wanted
Speaker 5: to mention as well that Elon Musk, aside from this
Speaker 5: government efficiency thing, and maybe they'll be maybe there'll be
Speaker 5: some slight benefit here in the fact that he now
Speaker 5: is going to expose himself to for you the ability
Speaker 5: to look more deeply into relationships, congressional oversights, so on
Speaker 5: and so forth. But I don't think it's a good
Speaker 5: thing to have made the government period. But I did
Speaker 5: want to mention another conflict, which I think is pretty significant,
Speaker 5: and that is right now, what you've already mentioned earlier, Tiffany,
Speaker 5: the number of contracts that he has with the federal
Speaker 5: government and those that he's in line to have. But
Speaker 5: he also, as part of the space program and his
Speaker 5: contracts with the Defense Department, privately owns these missile weapons
Speaker 5: defense systems. One of them is over Ukraine and it
Speaker 5: was previously operable, previously helped defend off missiles coming into
Speaker 5: Ukraine from Russia. And for the last year or so
Speaker 5: he is sold Russia and Vladimir I mean in a
Speaker 5: Zilinski that it is not working. He also owns a
Speaker 5: similar system over Taiwan, and we know that we've got
Speaker 5: conflict between Taiwan and mainland China. And what if Land
Speaker 5: Musk just decides, you know what, forget the Defense secretary.
Speaker 5: I can make US defense policy and global defense policy
Speaker 5: all on my own, because as a private citizen, I
Speaker 5: already owned the equipment turn off missile defense systems and
Speaker 5: turn them on. He was already reported to have kept
Speaker 5: up relationships with Vladimir Putin directly over these last several
Speaker 5: years and months, there ought to be alarm bells going
Speaker 5: off for Republicans, Democrats and everybody else who's in power
Speaker 5: and can hold this man accountable. And again, the voters
Speaker 5: have done what they've done, but there are still systems
Speaker 5: of accountability that have to that have to provide the
Speaker 5: proper checks and balances.
Speaker 1: Well, has company SpaceX, I mean, they pretty much dictate
Speaker 1: NASA's space line schedule. And you've already talked about the
Speaker 1: satellites that he controls in orbit. Just imagine what that
Speaker 1: could mean. But I think this is gets into the
Speaker 1: question though, because you know, I just want to hear
Speaker 1: what y'all think about the show and continuing the show
Speaker 1: and what.
Speaker 3: It looks like.
Speaker 1: I know, for me it's really really important to inform.
Speaker 1: I don't care as much about people's opinions, so I
Speaker 1: think if we continue to do this show, that's something
Speaker 1: that I would personally be committed to. I think, you know, sadly,
Speaker 1: what rises to the top a lot of times in
Speaker 1: the podcast space is mess and nonsense and you know,
Speaker 1: no dis to anybody but like club shayshe or like
Speaker 1: people who really don't know what they're talking about politically
Speaker 1: and so people gravitate to that. So I don't really
Speaker 1: care how many people listen to this podcast that podcast.
Speaker 1: I'd rather reach one hundred people who understand and get
Speaker 1: informed out of it than reach a million people in
Speaker 1: one viral moment, and people will still go back to
Speaker 1: the foolishness.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how to make noise in.
Speaker 1: A space where people don't really value intellect, And sometimes
Speaker 1: it feels like that's what I'm trying to do and
Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating. So for me, I'm having like a
Speaker 1: career existential crisis in this moment, and that's what I'm
Speaker 1: considering as we move forward with what the show.
Speaker 5: Looks like and tif it is it fair to say
Speaker 5: part of what profers this question is that the environment
Speaker 5: is going to change radically. Our ability to influence upon
Speaker 5: the people who are making decisions that impact our everyday
Speaker 5: lives not only will be diminished in the way by
Speaker 5: comparison to what it might look like where they're a
Speaker 5: friendly or administration, but on top of that, the amount
Speaker 5: of threat personal, bodily, economic, and otherwise that this incoming
Speaker 5: administration has loud and proud already announced against people who
Speaker 5: they consider to be enemy within is that who disagree,
Speaker 5: people who don't like And also, how do we, honestly,
Speaker 5: with real integrity, make sure that the value that's being
Speaker 5: added here allows people to then take from it move
Speaker 5: forward independently and coalition and groups with family and otherwise
Speaker 5: to make a bad situation better by our having been here. Well,
Speaker 5: and for me, I threw some of my own in there,
Speaker 5: and I attributed the change in administration to be maybe
Speaker 5: one part of the reason for the questioning.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, but I just want to point out is
Speaker 1: Cash Btel. Cash Btel, who is rumored to be, you know,
Speaker 1: hanging out at mar Lago. According to the reporting, he
Speaker 1: is being considered for a position in Trump's cabinet, and
Speaker 1: he has said that they will go after members of
Speaker 1: the media criminally and or civilly. I'm not scared of it,
Speaker 1: to be honest. I think my question is as a
Speaker 1: result of this man getting re elected and the reshaping
Speaker 1: of American government, because it's not just the federal government.
Speaker 1: It is the gubernatorials, it's the state houses, it's the mayors,
Speaker 1: it's all across.
Speaker 3: The Republicans took over.
Speaker 1: Will people tune in and have a little more intellectual
Speaker 1: curiosity than they do now, or will people tune out
Speaker 1: and just say this is all too much and I'd
Speaker 1: rather watch foolishness and nonsense and traffic and celebrity gossip
Speaker 1: and doom stroll and you know, take selfist on Instagram.
Speaker 3: I mean for.
Speaker 1: A few days, but after a while it's like I
Speaker 1: got to get back in the game. And I think
Speaker 1: a part of this election is because the dumbing down
Speaker 1: of the American electorate. So a part of me is
Speaker 1: like all I've ever known to do was was journalism.
Speaker 1: Anything I did outside of that was in a communication.
Speaker 1: A lot of people can make the transition from journalism
Speaker 1: to comms. But when I look at it now, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know where I fit in in this
Speaker 1: media landscape anymore, or I really don't. That's an honest question,
Speaker 1: but it's framed in a lot your conversation around the
Speaker 1: vision for this show and what it looks like going forward.
Speaker 5: Well, if I'll just offer that I believe that we
Speaker 5: don't speak to everybody, certainly don't speak to everybody who
Speaker 5: we would like to be speaking to. But I do
Speaker 5: believe we have built a home for people who are
Speaker 5: interested in government, interested in government's impact on their lives,
Speaker 5: may not be able to follow or are interested in
Speaker 5: even following all the nuance and the ins and outs
Speaker 5: and the days and weeks of what's happening, but when
Speaker 5: they know more, are exposed to more, or their positions
Speaker 5: get challenged by maybe something they've heard in this platform,
Speaker 5: either in the comments section of it, or by something
Speaker 5: that we've said or done or interacted with on the show.
Speaker 5: That they then leave whatever place that they are at
Speaker 5: and this conversation starts to build as they are in
Speaker 5: community with their friends, families, co workers, so on and
Speaker 5: so forth. So so, just like I think that there
Speaker 5: are platforms radio shows, I'll the name Shake the Breakfast
Speaker 5: Club as one, because you know, our Jay was reminding me.
Speaker 5: She was telling me people were like, why did y'all
Speaker 5: do a political show so political with you know, a
Speaker 5: platform that is not as political and maybe I'm not
Speaker 5: as interested in politics, And I said, I think that
Speaker 5: in some ways it's the exact merger that has to happen,
Speaker 5: where you get people who don't give a damn about
Speaker 5: this thing on a day in, day out, and frankly
Speaker 5: maybe you on a year in and year out. But
Speaker 5: part of not giving a damn might mean that nobody
Speaker 5: has helped you to see how the decisions that are
Speaker 5: being made right now, the people who are being put
Speaker 5: in place right now, will have inexplicable impact on your life,
Speaker 5: your life of your family, the life of their children.
Speaker 5: So I think we have to be clear that we
Speaker 5: aren't talking to everybody and to at some level make
Speaker 5: peace as we continue to grow and become hopefully a
Speaker 5: real service to people, that folks will plug in, and
Speaker 5: the ones who plug in then become the ambassadors for
Speaker 5: the messages that they then have either heard or matured
Speaker 5: on their own based off of the I think the
Speaker 5: safe space has been created, so honestly, I got to
Speaker 5: tell you, I think if there was ever a time
Speaker 5: to be loud, proud, rowdy, come check me boo. I
Speaker 5: heard that somewhere, it is now. Not when we have
Speaker 5: friends in the administration necessarily, although that's help. Well, I mean,
Speaker 5: I think let's let's strow it to the listeners and
Speaker 5: let them tell us some of their thoughts on what
Speaker 5: it looks like. I've never done that before like this,
Speaker 5: but I do know that there's a big ass void
Speaker 5: and we can no longer afford for that void to
Speaker 5: get any bigger, any wider, because back to the earlier
Speaker 5: question around what's the strategy going to be, this strategy
Speaker 5: has to now become an in the house conversation because
Speaker 5: we are losing quite a bit and the trajectory is
Speaker 5: moving in the wrong direction from within the house. So
Speaker 5: we got to secure this space, the space that allows
Speaker 5: us to win elections before I think we, you know,
Speaker 5: before we really find ourselves up at creek without a pedal,
Speaker 5: because folks will have completely abandoned the process and given
Speaker 5: up with no belief that any of this stuff works
Speaker 5: for them. I mean, Angela, what do you you're ore?
Speaker 5: You're the motherboard and the genius of the of the
Speaker 5: of the idea. I know that today looks different than
Speaker 5: it did the day we learned the nominee, But the
Speaker 5: day we learned the nominee also looked different than the
Speaker 5: first several weeks and months of this show, where you know,
Speaker 5: we were all having fun going in and out of politics,
Speaker 5: but also culture and also interpersonal and so on and
Speaker 5: so forth. Where do you see things?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 4: I think, first, I really disagree on the idea that
Speaker 4: we can't inform and have opinions I think that there
Speaker 4: are people that tune into this show every week to
Speaker 4: hear an educated opinion that is rooted in some type
Speaker 4: of experience, whether that be you know, working on the
Speaker 4: hill or as a candidate, or tif you in journalism.
Speaker 4: So I think that it would be unfortunate for us
Speaker 4: to simply become c SPAN, right. I think that we
Speaker 4: should have some color or some culture to continue and
Speaker 4: what we share with the audience should we continue. I
Speaker 4: think the idea of not talking to everyone is not
Speaker 4: a smart strategy. I think that we should be trying
Speaker 4: to figure out what basic arithmetic is by engaging in
Speaker 4: the politics of addition and hopefully in multiple multiplication at
Speaker 4: some point. And I think that we can do that
Speaker 4: in truth by questioning things that should be questioned, by
Speaker 4: asking and challenging things that normally folks are not rewarded
Speaker 4: for challenging. But we are in a unique time period
Speaker 4: in this country that is very, very dangerous. It's dangerous
Speaker 4: just to speak up, let alone take action. And so
Speaker 4: we got to decide if we have the wherewithal the bandwidth,
Speaker 4: the ability, and the desire to do that on this
Speaker 4: show or anywhere else. I'm going to engage in the fight.
Speaker 4: I'm not engage in the fight on multiple fronts. I'd
Speaker 4: be happy to do it with y'all, but I don't
Speaker 4: want to do it in a way where it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: we can't question what is the norm. I'm not interested
Speaker 4: in doing that. I'm not because I think that is
Speaker 4: a disservice to the American people and to ourselves. For
Speaker 4: too long, I think black folks in particular in this
Speaker 4: country have had to grin and bear it. And I
Speaker 4: think those times are over. I think those times are
Speaker 4: over within the Democratic Party itself. I think those times
Speaker 4: are over within the country itself. And what you're starting
Speaker 4: to see is the things that we're seeping out and
Speaker 4: there was a slow drip. Now there's a damn that burst.
Speaker 4: And so what is the opportunity within that process of
Speaker 4: the bursting of the dam and truth really filing finally
Speaker 4: spilling over in a way that you can't ignore anymore.
Speaker 4: So I'd love to continue the conversation and figure out
Speaker 4: if there is a path for native land that.
Speaker 1: I just can I just really quickly make a point
Speaker 1: of clarification, and that I always have opinions.
Speaker 3: I I if.
Speaker 1: Somebody and somebody if somebody heard me say that we
Speaker 1: should not have opinions.
Speaker 3: Let me correct the record. I'm not saying that at all.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't care about most people's opinions. I
Speaker 1: care about being informed, and that's what I try to do.
Speaker 1: I think you can inform something that is wrapped in
Speaker 1: an opinion. But I hear a lot of across a
Speaker 1: lot of podcasts and cable news outlets of people just saying, well,
Speaker 1: this is what I think about that, and I don't
Speaker 1: really care if I didn't. If I can't walk away
Speaker 1: and say, oh I learned something from this person or
Speaker 1: I didn't know that this person introduced me to something,
Speaker 1: then it does seem to be a waste of my time.
Speaker 1: But there are other people out there who just like
Speaker 1: the traffic and opinion. That's just not what I like
Speaker 1: to do. So I think, you know, since the show
Speaker 1: has started, I've tried to root my opinions and information,
Speaker 1: and I hope that when people listen to me and
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, they've walked away and they've learned
Speaker 1: something from from each of us. My question, though, that
Speaker 1: I think is rhetorical, is will people tune in for
Speaker 1: that or are people going to be so exhausted with
Speaker 1: all of it, because Trump is a nightmare. Will people
Speaker 1: be so exhausted with all of this that they just say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm tuning out, like I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear. I don't want to get frustrated,
Speaker 1: you know. I just want to exist in my own
Speaker 1: little box of reality and I don't want to hear
Speaker 1: what craziness this man has done.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what.
Speaker 5: I think the history of us as a people is
Speaker 5: that we've never had the comfort and convenience of checking in,
Speaker 5: because that is a comfort, that is a convenience, a
Speaker 5: privilege absolutely to say, oh, I ain't concerned about any
Speaker 5: that until your life, in your children's lives, and the
Speaker 5: people who you loves, lives quite literally are are at
Speaker 5: risk by the decisions that are being made on our
Speaker 5: you know, on quote unquote on our behalf. I should
Speaker 5: also just say, I know everybody thinks the sky has fallen,
Speaker 5: and in so many ways it is. But I also
Speaker 5: want to remind us that over the arc of history
Speaker 5: of us as a people, I'm so glad about the
Speaker 5: ancestors who didn't choose to give up I'm so glad
Speaker 5: that we can go back to the Transatlantic slave trade,
Speaker 5: we can go back to the Civil War, pre Civil War.
Speaker 5: We can talk about all the blows we were dealt
Speaker 5: and had to get right back up. We can talk
Speaker 5: about doctor King being shunned by his own people, told
Speaker 5: to get out and not be a troublemaker, and still persisted.
Speaker 5: And not everybody was a part of the movement right
Speaker 5: because it produced what it was intended to in some
Speaker 5: parts produced. So I don't think I think I know
Speaker 5: the answer to whether or not people are going to
Speaker 5: check in now. They can get there, they can get
Speaker 5: their information from any variety Their opinions are any variety
Speaker 5: of sources. That's all good with me. But what I
Speaker 5: absolutely know for sure is that we're not quitters. The
Speaker 5: times do get hard, but I know this for sure.
Speaker 5: Those tough times don't last, but tough people absolutely do.
Speaker 5: We had a schalacking in the election after Obama was
Speaker 5: elected and we didn't think we would reclaim power. The
Speaker 5: Republicans experienced the same to the whole goddamn autopsy. They
Speaker 5: thought our party was dead, had to be rebuilt. But
Speaker 5: in this case, our work is internal. I think we
Speaker 5: should use every platform stance that we have to inform
Speaker 5: that while we also fight like hell against this administration
Speaker 5: on all forms and on all fronts, to the extent
Speaker 5: that they are a threat to our existence, our lives,
Speaker 5: our livelihood, and that voters. I believe that voters can
Speaker 5: go in the voting booth and vote for a thing
Speaker 5: that they believe they are being sold and still have
Speaker 5: been bamboozled exactly.
Speaker 4: And that's where our obligation comes in to make sure
Speaker 4: they know how dangerous it is.
Speaker 1: And that's why I want to I think it's a
Speaker 1: good thing to posed to the viewers.
Speaker 3: What do you guy?
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 1: Because we started, like we said, we started this show different,
Speaker 1: we achieved you know, I think a lot of success here.
Speaker 1: We grew an audience, but beyond an audience, I feel
Speaker 1: like we grew community. So I would like to hear
Speaker 1: from the community. What do you guys want to see
Speaker 1: from Native Land going forward? Will you you know where
Speaker 1: do y'all stand? Do y'all you know, want to tune
Speaker 1: in every week and hear us talk about these things
Speaker 1: and what specifically do.
Speaker 3: You want to like?
Speaker 1: What would you like our role to be in your
Speaker 1: diet of information and things that are of all the
Speaker 1: things that are peeding for your attention, what would you
Speaker 1: like our role to be?
Speaker 5: And Tiffany is never going to allow every episode to
Speaker 5: be about Donald Dan Trump. I can remember that back
Speaker 5: from the very beginning. You're like, I am not talking
Speaker 5: about this bad.
Speaker 1: Well I mean that, But that's also a consideration because
Speaker 1: trying to cover him is like trying to catch confetti,
Speaker 1: I always say. And so it's like when you talk
Speaker 1: about something on the day that you record, it is
Speaker 1: old by the next day. So how do we cover
Speaker 1: somebody who is an agent of chaos who does these
Speaker 1: like big, big, big news dumps overnight, typically on a Friday,
Speaker 1: so none of the networks can cover We saw this
Speaker 1: playbook already, So do we talk about more overarching themes.
Speaker 1: Do we, you know, talk about like we did its
Speaker 1: own fascism that I think was a mini pod If
Speaker 1: it is, check it out, I can't remember. Or are
Speaker 1: we going to be chasing every little story saying this
Speaker 1: is what happened on Tuesday and we're outraised about it
Speaker 1: and then it's old by Friday. I think these are
Speaker 1: all legitimate questions that we have to ask and ask
Speaker 1: for your grace as our viewers who tune in as
Speaker 1: we figure it out. Because I've seen y'all's comments before
Speaker 1: about the show and tape and it's like, down, we
Speaker 1: don't have, you know, studios in our house. What some
Speaker 1: of us do, one of us don't. But yeah, we
Speaker 1: are not a daily show, so we do the best
Speaker 1: we can with the schedule we have. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: curious to hear from that.
Speaker 5: I don't think we ought to do anything that doesn't
Speaker 5: create shift. And yeah, I think this road shift reason
Speaker 5: and we are shifting out. The show is complete by
Speaker 5: saying God put us each on this earth for a
Speaker 5: reason to do a work that is particular and specific
Speaker 5: to us, and that if we do not do it,
Speaker 5: then that work will not be done. That's not just
Speaker 5: for the three of us. I think that's for everybody
Speaker 5: who walks and breeze. All right, we got a work
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, before we end the show, I do want
Speaker 1: to just remind everybody to please leave us a review
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Speaker 1: We are Tiffany Cross, Angelauri and Andrew Gillum. Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 1: Uh there As of right now, there are seven hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty one days until mid term elections. That was
Speaker 1: a question that we posted to. I was like, do
Speaker 1: we really want to say how long til midterm elections?
Speaker 3: Angela?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think Andrew you said yes, mom in yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: So Angela, Andrew want to say. I was going to
Speaker 1: ask y'all what y'all think? But democracy rules where we are?
Speaker 3: So Angela apparently.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Bless all right, seven hundred and twenty one days until
Speaker 1: midterm elections.
Speaker 3: We will see you guys next time on Native land.
Speaker 5: Thanks for two welcome home.
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