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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that brings you

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Speaker 1: inside and RG Stadium right across the hall from the

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Speaker 1: locker room in the Hunday Texans Radio studio. I'm Mark Vandermer.

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Speaker 1: This is Texans All Access. We have John Harris, Drew Doherty,

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Speaker 1: dpcity to start it all out. Somehow we all gathered

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Speaker 1: here together today to be with you this evening during

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Speaker 1: your ride home. And I'm thrilled to do it? What

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Speaker 1: could I say? And I think these guys are too.

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Speaker 1: Are we all thrilled to do it? When you said

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Speaker 1: gathered together? Maybe think of we are gathered together? Made

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Speaker 1: me think of the Prince song, Reverend Vandimir, Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe think of the Prince song. Can I get an amen?

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Speaker 1: Let's go crazy, Let's go think about Mark's got weddings

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Speaker 1: on his mind. After JJ walcome Mary, that's why he's

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Speaker 1: saying we're gathered and Tylus Howard and Kaymie Farmar and

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Speaker 1: so I feel like that's where he was going with it.

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Speaker 1: On Valentine's Day weekends, all right? So did they get

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Speaker 1: married because it's Valentine's Day weekend or because it's the

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Speaker 1: offseason And this is like one of the only time

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Speaker 1: can do it. President's Day weekend, weekend. Oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I'm going into this val I'm going into this whole

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day thing. First of all, Valentine's Day is the

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Speaker 1: worst made up holiday there is. It's the worst, is

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Speaker 1: the absolute Wait wait, how does missus Harris feel about

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Speaker 1: She feels the exact same way. I'm not saying anything

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Speaker 1: on the radio that she's not gonna like. She thinks

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Speaker 1: the same thing. She's like, Yeah, it's it's bogus. It's

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Speaker 1: a bogus holiday. But then when you get married on

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, you just made it the most viable holiday

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Speaker 1: at wall. Well, it's good because it knocks out Valentine's

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Speaker 1: Day and you get the anniverse. You know. One, it's

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Speaker 1: tuper one shopping, although everybody else's shopping during those moments,

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Speaker 1: and it's harder to get a reservation at the restaurant

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Speaker 1: of your choice. That's all about plan better plan, Oh

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Speaker 1: really planned way ahead, Get get the resien plan better.

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Speaker 1: You need to get married on February fifteenth, like my

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Speaker 1: sister in law's birthdays. February fifteen. She can get into

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Speaker 1: any restaurant in town on her birthday. Technically, everybody's already.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's already done it. Nobody, nobody's gonna take their date

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Speaker 1: on Pebruary fifteen. But if you're married February fifteen, then

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Speaker 1: you have to get the anniversary thing and the Valentine Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not complaining about that mark. And that's not speaking

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Speaker 1: of reservations. Have you made the reservations for Monday for

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Speaker 1: the steak? Yes, yes, yes, our favorite joint in Andy.

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Speaker 1: And it's not saying Almos, which is a legendary steakhouse

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Speaker 1: which we've been too many great place. This place is

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Speaker 1: even better than which, by the way, On the end

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Speaker 1: of the lap, Drew tells a story about a steak

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Speaker 1: a place in Indianapolis which we shall that we shall

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Speaker 1: not name, that found a way to put a sauce

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Speaker 1: on drew steak that might be the worst ever ever.

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Speaker 1: Should they should have just put like motor oil on it?

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Speaker 1: It was terrible? Why are you ordering sauce? You know?

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Speaker 1: Because I was saw their options and I was like,

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Speaker 1: what you know, I always get the Ribby, I always

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Speaker 1: get the New York strip. Let's let's try something No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: try something new that's not salmon which if you do

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Speaker 1: a sauce, you do it on the side, always on

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Speaker 1: the side, especially for a steak, because it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any difference. This was you got to do just a

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Speaker 1: little bit if you want. Yeah, they dumped it. And

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Speaker 1: I think on top of the sauce that they put

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Speaker 1: a pepper corn peppercorn sauce basting, and I think all

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Speaker 1: they did was just they took a pepper shaper unscrewed

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Speaker 1: and they went boom. Yeah, they always make it sound

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Speaker 1: better than it is, not always, but some anyway, getting

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Speaker 1: everybody hungry on your ride home. So I hope you're

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Speaker 1: on your way to a nice dinner. Maybe some of

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about some things that did happen over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Yes JJ got married, Titus Howard got married,

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Speaker 1: Canby Fairbarn got married. Three Texans getting married. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know about Fairbar until I came into work today. I

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Speaker 1: I saw Titus yesterday, and of course you could not

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Speaker 1: you could not escape the megawatt hype of his marriage,

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Speaker 1: and was she working out and he was videotaping, videotaping

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Speaker 1: I thought I saw yesterday yesterday. She was running out

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Speaker 1: yesterday because her season's got to be starting up. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are so many posts they're running. Was that the

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Speaker 1: three running together reminded me of when Nolan Ryan used

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Speaker 1: to pump out no hitters when he was the Rangers

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Speaker 1: then you'd see the photos and the video of him

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Speaker 1: with like an ice pack on his shoulder as he's

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Speaker 1: lifting weights or running or doing the treadmills. A man's

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Speaker 1: man right there. Nolan, by the time, ain't slowing down

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Speaker 1: for none of us. Hey, uh so, so a few

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Speaker 1: things here and in no particular order. We all like

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Speaker 1: log onto Pro Football Talk, whether you're on your desktop

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Speaker 1: or follow it on Twitter. And yesterday he had a

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Speaker 1: thing about Rob Manfred how if this happened in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: the commission would be gone already. And I'm not so

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Speaker 1: sure that would happen because the NFL hasn't exactly been

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Speaker 1: praised of its handling of things that quote, it has happened,

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Speaker 1: what the spy gate, spygate? Yeah, I don't think this is. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think spygate is not as bad as what this is. Okay,

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Speaker 1: now it's it's definitely video taping stuff for later, okay,

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Speaker 1: not for now, Like, Oh, they're gonna call this right now, uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that. Necessarily this

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Speaker 1: thing continues to be discussed, of course, any inkling on

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Speaker 1: when this is gonna go away? How about never? Because

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Speaker 1: the season's gonna start, and then you're gonna have it

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Speaker 1: brought up in every city. Oh, it's coming, It's coming

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Speaker 1: up all year long. Yeah, I mean it's coming up

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Speaker 1: all year long. And then if they make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna pump up in the playoffs again. When they

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Speaker 1: have a bad game in the playoffs, you're gonna hear about, Oh,

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Speaker 1: no trash can banging today, no buzzers today, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear like every single instance. The only thing the Astros

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Speaker 1: can do this year to really quiet it is to

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Speaker 1: play at a level that they've never played at before.

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Speaker 1: It won't. It won't quite it, and it's still one

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Speaker 1: that anything I know, but that'll be That's about the

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Speaker 1: only way that you can at least limit the noise

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Speaker 1: the Giants tonight, Oh okay, and then you win nine straight,

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Speaker 1: then it'll be like okay, because I can't really say anything.

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Speaker 1: But if if they just if they've played as they've

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Speaker 1: played the last few years and just play at that

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Speaker 1: all these I mean, all two is gonna he's gonna

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Speaker 1: But the second that Bregmant or Springer or somebody struggles, right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hear all about it, which has happened, by

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Speaker 1: the way it has happened before happened. I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I think Drew brought up spygate that you still don't

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Speaker 1: forget about it. And they've won multiple Super Bowls since then,

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Speaker 1: so multiple championships might not make this go away from

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Speaker 1: the Houston Astros. You can make that case. You know what,

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Speaker 1: it's it has always pissed me off to no end

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Speaker 1: that the Rockets two titles get off by a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. I think he join, yeah, like what's going

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Speaker 1: on now? The astrois puts that that's that's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: minuscule in comparison, But you know, it does galvanize a

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Speaker 1: fan base. I think like with the spy Gate, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots fans like it was like them against the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and anytime ESPN wanted just even a fan video from

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Speaker 1: about to flate gate, you know. So I do think

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Speaker 1: that outside of Houston, I mean, everybody's just attacking it

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Speaker 1: galvanizes the media. But but the media, the media is

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Speaker 1: all on one side. Yet the national media, well I

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Speaker 1: mean the national media, not not Harold Reynolds, the local

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Speaker 1: well Harold, but Harold Reynolds was bringing up a good

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Speaker 1: point about all two Bay in the Jersey. Now he didn't,

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Speaker 1: he just showed proof. See that. That's the whole thing

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Speaker 1: video showing that everything said about all two Bay having

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Speaker 1: was completely and totally false. So as soon as something

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Speaker 1: still don't like. The biggest thing I took from that

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Speaker 1: video is why why the hell didn't they just put

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Speaker 1: the manager just put Why isn't there an earpiece microphone

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Speaker 1: situation with the picture where they just tell them what pitches?

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Speaker 1: You make too much sense? Why would we not just

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Speaker 1: do an earpiece? Do an earpiece call? You don't have

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Speaker 1: Got to be a people's ears. Who's the catcher's gotta

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Speaker 1: know what's coming, right? All right? You were trying to

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Speaker 1: catch so okay, so you put it into catcher's ears

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Speaker 1: and a batter standing from me to Drew away. You

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Speaker 1: don't think a batter might pick that up? And it's

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Speaker 1: a way I've If I've got ear buddet, I can

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Speaker 1: listen to deaf Leopard cranked up. Actually to hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on hold, what are you gonna hear? Mark?

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Speaker 1: Mark just brought up a false point, he says, When

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Speaker 1: I when he has def Leppard cranking as eeris, you

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Speaker 1: can't hear. And that's total bs because I can sit

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Speaker 1: to and from the airport, everything these things that we Lepard.

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Speaker 1: So you're wrong? Yeah, So that whatever these microphones right

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Speaker 1: here or these headphones right here, whenever you get on

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Speaker 1: one that Mark has been on it. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: you just hey, Drew, start talking Mark about how about this?

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Speaker 1: You could do that? Use legal buzzers, all right, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna use legalized buzzers. We're gonna shock your shoulder to

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Speaker 1: let you know there's a there's there's a way to

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Speaker 1: do it. And I'll tell you this, and I haven't

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Speaker 1: read everything on this, but as far as cheating goes,

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Speaker 1: if I'm going to cheat in baseball, why wouldn't I signal?

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Speaker 1: And you know these guys could wear whatever they want

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Speaker 1: right the base coaches, you know, he could be totally

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Speaker 1: Drew Doherty wink. People don't know that Drew. When we're

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Speaker 1: a championship? I don't think the Raiders are there in

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Speaker 1: the next year or two. I do think of one team,

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Speaker 1: and I don't even want to bring it up. I

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Speaker 1: don't even want to bring it up. Yes, now, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the one. But which division for him in whatever situation?

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Speaker 1: Brady with the Colts, Brady with the Raiders, Brady with

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Speaker 1: the Patriots? Which division is the quote easiest seas? It's

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Speaker 1: a It still is. Even though doing much better, they

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Speaker 1: still haven't beaten you. And the Jets of the Jets

432
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Speaker 1: and the Dolphins are better and they just beat you

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Speaker 1: the last game of the regular season, but whatever, Still

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, They're still the Dolphins, sas. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: that's why I think everything leads back to him going

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Speaker 1: to New England. But I think looking at them thinking

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Speaker 1: that they'll make this exception because it's bread now. The

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Speaker 1: person who might make the exception is Robert Kraft. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I said over Bill Belichick, Yeah, if r

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Speaker 1: k K gets involved in this, okay, all bets are

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Speaker 1: off now right now. How could not? How could he

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Speaker 1: not get involved in this? I agree with dB. How

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Speaker 1: could he not? Johnny? This is his franchise, this is it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's is it is, it's Tom Brady.

445
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Speaker 1: Now maybe Belichick has full control. That's him. Pick one.

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Speaker 1: That's what Belichick could do. I'm just saying him, I'll

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Speaker 1: take the year off and I'll go take the Giant's job.

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Speaker 1: When Joe Judge flails out, let me ask you this,

449
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Speaker 1: which one? Why did they do a better job? I'll

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Speaker 1: go take the Giants job. You know what, if there's

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Speaker 1: one franchise he would love to call that family that

452
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Speaker 1: owns him. Yeah. What would be even better, Now, what

453
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Speaker 1: would be even better is if he said, okay, Robert

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Speaker 1: him or me. He goes, well, i gotta go with

455
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Speaker 1: my old quarterback in Belichecks Like I'm out. Adam Gays

456
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Speaker 1: gets fired on the spot, and Belichick becomes the Jets

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Speaker 1: coach and then beats the Patriot. If he wants to

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Speaker 1: be the Jets coach, I don't know if he'd want

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Speaker 1: to be the Jets collage he probably would. No, I don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, But it would be the full circle

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Speaker 1: if that happened he went back to the Jets, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would. Well, I think the Giants are the fuller circle. Well,

463
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Speaker 1: the Brown but he never he never took the field

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Speaker 1: with the Jets, but was the head coach for a

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Speaker 1: day with the Jets. That's why I feel like, go

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Speaker 1: back to the Jets. He's still upset that he had

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Speaker 1: to be the head coach while part while Parcels was

468
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Speaker 1: the consultant for a few days before Parcels could take

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Speaker 1: over his head coach and do pretty well with them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I love all this drama. This

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Speaker 1: is great. But if I'm Robert Kraft, look, I want

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Speaker 1: them both and I think somehow he finds a way

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Speaker 1: to keep them both involved in this deal. The one

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Speaker 1: thing that they're gonna have to do regardless, And this

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Speaker 1: is where I think it's tricky for him and for

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Speaker 1: the Brady and I think for the Patriots too. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the Patriots cap situation is, but

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Speaker 1: they need to find him help. Why did they do

479
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Speaker 1: it last year and then well don't pick up guys

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Speaker 1: that seemed to make sense for that, like Ryan Griffin here,

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Speaker 1: Well yeah that I don't know why. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Jets a nice deal for them getting getting Ryan Griffin

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Speaker 1: that situation, but I don't know if they felt like

484
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Speaker 1: they were pretty sure Gronk was coming back or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what they thought with that,

486
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Speaker 1: but they're they're gonna have to spend some money because

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Speaker 1: the one thing that they have not really done is

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Speaker 1: draft receivers. Well, I mean, look at the receivers they've

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Speaker 1: drafted over the years, you know, and I've gone through

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Speaker 1: this history before. It's not very good. So they're not

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Speaker 1: going to get him in the draft. I mean, Nikill

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Speaker 1: Harry might turn into a good receiver, but he really

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Speaker 1: wasn't that last year their better rookie receiver was the

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Speaker 1: undrafted kid Jakobe Meyers. So where they made their hey

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Speaker 1: is on signing free agents. Well, now they got to

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Speaker 1: sign a free agent, maybe two at receiver to help Tom.

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Speaker 1: And they got to sign Tom. That's to help whoever's

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Speaker 1: playing quarterback, by the way, because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: become all of a sudden the Jets of the Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: and that's what they might be with Stidham throwing to

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Speaker 1: whoever right right, they gotta figure this thing. I've got

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Speaker 1: more money to spend on receivers to bring in if

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Speaker 1: you have Stidham versus Brady just But the problem is

504
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Speaker 1: because they don't draft, well, they have this formula going

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Speaker 1: out and finding free agents that were top prospects back

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Speaker 1: in the day. But they have all these off the

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Speaker 1: field issues and that's also not working. Josh Gordon, Antonio

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Speaker 1: bront None of these guys have worked out for them.

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Speaker 1: So when are they going to stop doing that? The well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they need to find Chris Hogan. They need to find

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Speaker 1: those kids. That's what they keep searching for. But what

512
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Speaker 1: they really need to do is just to go back

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Speaker 1: and they haven't even really done that though they haven't

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Speaker 1: done it. Well, no, they haven't even really done that.

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Speaker 1: They haven't even gone found those players. I mean the

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Speaker 1: fact that they drafted to kill Harry when they I

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Speaker 1: was like, they draft the receiver. This is weird. This

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Speaker 1: is not really like them. They usually draft them a

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Speaker 1: little bit later. But the thing is, this is the

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Speaker 1: year you could draft some receivers and be fine with it,

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Speaker 1: but it takes so long to learn that particular system.

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Speaker 1: For rookies, they just they struggle. And I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you know, Gronk didn't because Gronk just dove right in

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Speaker 1: and you know, kind of picked it up on the fly,

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Speaker 1: as did Hernandez, which I don't know what that tells you.

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Speaker 1: But but they just have a lot of issues because

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Speaker 1: either're gonna have to devote a ton of draft resources

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Speaker 1: to wide receiver, or they're gonna have to pay a

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Speaker 1: bunch of free agents and have top coming back, or

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Speaker 1: they move up the draft board and go draft a

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Speaker 1: guy like Jordan Love. Now, that would be scared. We

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Speaker 1: played more likely to happen yesterday. But did we address

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Speaker 1: it this way with the AFC South? Is it the

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Speaker 1: most likely thing that only one team has a change

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Speaker 1: at starting quarterback from where they basically ended up, which

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Speaker 1: is the Colts? Would it be the Colts? Will it

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Speaker 1: be the Jags with Minshew? In all likelihood? Will it?

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Speaker 1: Obviously the Texans have Watson and maybe Tannehill resigns in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Is the Colts the most likely team to have a

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Speaker 1: new quarterback in twenty twenty starting League one? Yeah? I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm asking that question. I think starting the bulk of

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Speaker 1: the games? Maybe can I word it like that bulk

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Speaker 1: of the games? I think you could go to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you can really hand the keys

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Speaker 1: over totally Gardner Minshew? What what what about falls? Falls

546
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Speaker 1: is still under contract as we speak? Do they get

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Speaker 1: out of that deal, does he I don't know if

548
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Speaker 1: he can trade him because the contract is so big

549
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Speaker 1: and Foles is dead d E d dead. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: there's been a situation where a quarterback with a pretty

551
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Speaker 1: hefty contracted it was traded before. But that administration, the

552
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Speaker 1: Lunger exists in Cleveland. Well that model, but that model

553
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Speaker 1: still exists though, so it could be done. It doesn't

554
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Speaker 1: mean if somebody wants to buy a draft choice, which

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Speaker 1: is basically what that was, right, they were that was

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Speaker 1: essentially what they did. Without they couldn't say and we're

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Speaker 1: the CPA to New England. Yeah, oh, listen, falls was

558
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Speaker 1: good in Philadelphia because why because first of all, Dog

559
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Speaker 1: Peterson good job and system was good. But he had

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Speaker 1: three running backs he could rely on with a Garrett Blont,

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Speaker 1: Jgi and Corey Clement. He had Alshon, Jeffrey Nelson, Aguilar,

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Speaker 1: he had zach Ertz, he had Dallas Godder. He had

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Speaker 1: all these players around him, and he had one of

564
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Speaker 1: the better offensive lines in the league. He got to Jacksonville,

565
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Speaker 1: he didn't have that and what happened. Who's the most

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Speaker 1: Belichickian quarterback potentially available on the open market? For the

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Speaker 1: for New England. I mean, is it a trade with

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr? Is it? I mean Philip Rivers? Rivers? It

569
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Speaker 1: would be fantastic, but he had what he had? Five quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: You've had Brady, You've had Bledsoe. Who do you have

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Speaker 1: with the Browns? Vinny test three? Basically? If you and

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Speaker 1: then if you want to throw in Garoppolo and Brissette,

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Speaker 1: what about Teddy Bridgewater? Why not? Why not? Because the

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Speaker 1: trend of quarterbacks is heading in a different direction. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. Doesn't he make sense? I mean, he

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Here's the thing I would imagine that they'll

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Speaker 1: argue is and and this is this is a valid

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Speaker 1: conversation that goes on the room, like, Okay, we drafted

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Speaker 1: stid him in the second round. Wait when I can't

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Speaker 1: remember they got him third fourth round. Maybe we've had

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Speaker 1: stid him here for a whole year. Or he's extremely

582
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Speaker 1: cheap and he knows our system versus a guy that

583
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Speaker 1: might be physically a little bit better. But we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to pay a whole lot of money to get

585
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Speaker 1: because they're gonna be some teams that want him, and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't really know our system. He'd be new to

587
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Speaker 1: all of us, which one is a better situation. If

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Speaker 1: Belichick is worth his salt in coaching, he would adapt

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Speaker 1: his system to fit his new quarterback. And I think

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Speaker 1: he would do that. He well, they've always given their quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's always given Tom things that are gonna work. He's

592
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Speaker 1: always added things to the offense. When he had Randy Moss,

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Speaker 1: they had they took more downfield shots, they did a

594
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Speaker 1: few different things. So they've always adapted the offense. But

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Speaker 1: they don't have to adapt the offense with Teddy Bridgewater.

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Speaker 1: They really don't. They don't. It's just they can run

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Speaker 1: the same offense. It would be a little bit, it

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Speaker 1: would be a little overcamp. Ye, not for Teddy taking

599
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Speaker 1: run the same offense. He's not not the highest dollar

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Speaker 1: open market quarterback, but it is going to cost some cash, right,

601
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Speaker 1: and it's probably buddy that they don't want to pay

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Speaker 1: rights just to be honest, So especially for somebody doesn't

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Speaker 1: know their system, right, I mean, they're they're not gonna

604
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Speaker 1: want to pay a lot for Tannehill if he's not

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee. They don't want to pay for that. And

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Speaker 1: they know him better than anybody because they've studied the

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Speaker 1: daylights out of them. Actually, he's had success against them

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Speaker 1: with tennessee him with the Dolphins. How about that they

609
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Speaker 1: might be in love with him. I mean often teams

610
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Speaker 1: fall in love with people who have success against I

611
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Speaker 1: mean the thing about it is they can either pay

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Speaker 1: twenty five million. I don't know, maybe ted Bridge brothers

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Speaker 1: not that much, but Teddy's gonna get paid. What did

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Speaker 1: your COVID resecul paid in Indianapolis two year starty million?

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Speaker 1: So that's fifteen million. They're gonna have to pay fifteen

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Speaker 1: million plus for a quarterback. Plus the receivers are gonna

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Speaker 1: have to bring in or just give Brady twenty five

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Speaker 1: for them. Exactly what do you have now, Drew? I

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Speaker 1: know you have an exciting podcast going. Yeah, it's some

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Speaker 1: fun John and I did in the lab today we

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Speaker 1: uh covered some No, I didn't want to talk about

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Speaker 1: that podcast telling you both called you chopped the John.

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Speaker 1: We tell the story. It's a combine memory lane. But

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Speaker 1: also we had Owen Conflinty. He's a morning news anchor

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Speaker 1: as you know over in Channel two, and he's also

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Speaker 1: a Texans season ticket holder, so talked about his sixty

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Speaker 1: nine jersey and many other things. Okay, cool, deep can

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Speaker 1: top that? Okay, well, we got a story. I got

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Speaker 1: a story coming out on Houston Texans dot com. It's

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Speaker 1: probably already up uh now as we speak. But about

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Speaker 1: Duke Johnson cet interesting stats about him and what he

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Speaker 1: learned about himself at the combine. Very nice. Sorry, coming up,

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Speaker 1: Johnny and I breakdown a position group known as the

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Speaker 1: tight Ends. It's coming out by Texans Radio as promised.

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Speaker 1: John Harris remains with us in studio here in the

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Speaker 1: Hunday Texans Radio studio at NRG Stadium. Mark VanderMeer with

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Speaker 1: you and Johnny. Position group breakdown the tight Ends now

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Speaker 1: tight Ends in the history of this franchise a very

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Speaker 1: notable position because a tight end caught the very first

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Speaker 1: TD in Texans history, scored the very first touchdown of

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Speaker 1: any kind in the preseason game against the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants Hall of Fame game in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 1: and of course the opener against the Cowboys, and some

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Speaker 1: good ones have rolled through here the era with Owen Daniels,

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Speaker 1: pro bowler, along with Joel Dreeson Garrett Graham, who's still

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Speaker 1: on the market. We see Joel from time to Time

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Speaker 1: and then the odd season. I'll say this, the last

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Speaker 1: four seasons have been really interesting, if not weird with

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Speaker 1: the tight ends, because in sixteen you had CJ. Fedorowitz

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Speaker 1: and Ryan Griffin combining for the greatest tight end season ever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but this fran Yeah, that was incredible with brock Oswilder

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Speaker 1: unwilling to throw it to anybody other than a tight

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Speaker 1: end that year. A. Fedorowitz had the great catch against

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Speaker 1: Indy and Griffin had the one against the Packers and whatever.

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Speaker 1: So in seventeen we had the Great Drought going into

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Speaker 1: Week two with virtually no tight ends and Evan Bayliss

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Speaker 1: as a guy signed just basically as an additive, and

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Speaker 1: they played that game against the Bengals on the road

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Speaker 1: Prime Time wanted to Shaun Watson's first start. No tight ends. Basically,

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Speaker 1: they didn't use Bayliss in the game. As I recall, right,

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Speaker 1: one play, one play, one play, very good memory, all right,

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Speaker 1: I remember that that's twenty seventeen, two and eighteen. It's

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Speaker 1: the Jordan year, right, because they drafted two tight ends

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Speaker 1: or nakens in the third Jordan Thompson six and Jordan

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Speaker 1: Thomason's four touchdown catches. To lead the tight ends, and

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Speaker 1: Aikens looks pretty good as a rookie, and there you

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Speaker 1: have it. And then this past season they draft Khalla

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Speaker 1: Wearing in the third round and we thought, what you

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Speaker 1: drafted a tight end? Ryan Griffin is still with the

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Speaker 1: team at the time they draft him. They got the

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Speaker 1: two Jordans. They signed Darren Fells, who we had no idea.

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Speaker 1: We had no clue what he was gonna do. It

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Speaker 1: was all speculation and we thought, you know, blocking tight

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Speaker 1: end probably, I mean, is he gonna make the team?

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Speaker 1: I mean, who is this guy? But they draft Wearing,

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Speaker 1: he ends up not playing at all. On Ir could

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Speaker 1: have come back, but they were doing well because Jordan

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Speaker 1: Nakens was having a good year. Thomas ends up on

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Speaker 1: Ir and Fells as a revelation. So I just find

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Speaker 1: the last four years to be really interesting, if not

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Speaker 1: weird at the tight end spot. That's probably a good

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Speaker 1: way of putting it. Weird. Yeah, that's what I didn't

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Speaker 1: think about it like that Fedorawitz. It seems like a

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Speaker 1: thousand years ago. But after sixteen, I know he had

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Speaker 1: the concussions, and that's why at the time you're thinking

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Speaker 1: this guy could really turn out to be unbeleased about

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Speaker 1: to be arc rock, Like that was the way I remember.

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Speaker 1: I remember in the playoff game up in New England,

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Speaker 1: he has the touchdown catch, and I just remember thinking

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Speaker 1: that night, coming home, just after we lost the game,

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Speaker 1: I'm just kind of thinking, Okay, what's coming back in seventeen?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, JJ is coming back in seventeen that I

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Speaker 1: didn't know about. I didn't think about the quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think Sean got me either way. I was just

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Speaker 1: thinking about the game and I thought about Fedorawitz is, like,

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Speaker 1: this dude is on the verge. He's on the verge.

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Speaker 1: That was the fourth year. He just signed a three

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Speaker 1: year deal. The next couple of years he's going to

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Speaker 1: be a superstar. And then has the concussions in seventeen

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Speaker 1: that effectively end his career, and you think, Okay, now

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Speaker 1: we're kind of back to square one in some sense.

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Speaker 1: With the tight ends, they go and get both George,

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Speaker 1: as you said, but I think with this group, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Darren Fells changed everything last year. I mean what they

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Speaker 1: were able to do with him, to have a guy

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Speaker 1: who was that good as a pass protector when he

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Speaker 1: needed to pass protect, who could run block who had

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Speaker 1: pillows soft hands and caught the ball. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: was only one catch everybody. I think it was the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo game that you felt like, man, that was a

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Speaker 1: catch he probably should have had. I think it's on

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Speaker 1: a third down play. Maybe I think it was an

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Speaker 1: overtime in the first drive. But either way, he was

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Speaker 1: just such a revelation. And he sat right over there

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Speaker 1: and was like, yeah, yeah. They joked with me about

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Speaker 1: being a left left tackle or right right tackle, and

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Speaker 1: then the guy catches more touchdowns in a season for

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Speaker 1: a tight end than any other tight end in history

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Speaker 1: of the team. It's just kind of bizarre. Wearing to

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Speaker 1: me excites me because I watched him at the very

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Speaker 1: end of the draft process last year. I had seen

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Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowl. I'm sorry. The combine and

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Speaker 1: his numbers the combine were just sick and they were

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Speaker 1: just ridiculous. They were so, so very good, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, man, whoever gets this guy's gonna have a

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Speaker 1: player on their hands. But he was one of the

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Speaker 1: last players I actually studied for the Harris one hundred.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know wharing he didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 1: expect him to declare right. So I finally didn't get

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Speaker 1: around to it till the very very end, and I'm

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Speaker 1: watching this guy. I'm like, oh my god, this guy's

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Speaker 1: like a mini Kelsey. This guy's amazing. So when the

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Speaker 1: Texas drafted him, I'm like, holy cow, what are they?

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Speaker 1: What are they doing with this position? This is this

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Speaker 1: is off the charts? Good? Holy smokes. How are they

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Speaker 1: going to keep all these guys? The wrong word is happy,

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Speaker 1: But how are they gonna get all these guys on

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Speaker 1: the field together? How is it gonna mess together? But Whearing, Wow,

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Speaker 1: this guy's an alete. But now you've got third year

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Speaker 1: for Jordan Nakins, Jordan Thomas Wearing is essentially going into

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Speaker 1: his rookie year, and then you got to decide on

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Speaker 1: on Fells. Now, if I'm Fells, I'm like, hey, look

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Speaker 1: I've got this really nice year on my resume that

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Speaker 1: shows all the different things I can do. Now, some

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Speaker 1: people and some teams might say, well, you're more valuable

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Speaker 1: to the Texans and what they did than you would

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Speaker 1: be for us. So maybe there will be some teams

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Speaker 1: that won't be interested. But I would think there are

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Speaker 1: gonna be some teams interested in Darren after the one,

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Speaker 1: you know, signing a one year deal. Yeah, don't even

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that ten drought. Yeah, that's true. They need

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Speaker 1: a tight end badly, and this is not This is

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Speaker 1: not a great tight end draft. This is not a

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Speaker 1: great tight end draft. So on the position in college

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Speaker 1: is becoming a little bit of an endentured species, right,

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Speaker 1: This is true, But I'm trying to remember Lash's class.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Lash's class was really really good. This

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Speaker 1: is this is just not one of those years. So

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get one through fragency. So that

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Speaker 1: probably don't mean more teams will call Darren Fells, will

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Speaker 1: want Darren Fells. Hopefully that's not the case. We'd love

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Speaker 1: to see him here. But you've got the two Jordans

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Speaker 1: and Wearing, who you know, those three are coming back,

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Speaker 1: and I just can't wait to see what we have

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Speaker 1: with Wearing. It's kind of like this, you know, the

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Speaker 1: toy has been sort of wrapped in Cell of Fame

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Speaker 1: for a whole year, and you're like, I really kind

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Speaker 1: of want to break it out and see what we have,

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Speaker 1: but obviously, because the injuries, you couldn't do it. So

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Speaker 1: all right, well let's get to you know, let's get

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Speaker 1: to training camp and see what we really have with him,

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Speaker 1: and I hope it doesn't turn into one of those situations.

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Speaker 1: You know, the tight end from NC State the Texans

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Speaker 1: drafted Anthony Hill was that who It was four and

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Speaker 1: I saw him NC stating I thought this guy's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a good player, and I haven't thought it was

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Speaker 1: a really good draft pick. And they just could never

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Speaker 1: get on the field. You know. Bennie Choperu was that guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was waiting, you know, couldn't get on

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Speaker 1: the fire. Bring him up in the early going of

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Speaker 1: this conversation, but he was a second round draft choice,

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Speaker 1: was a really good and the Jason Witten draft who

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Speaker 1: was taking get in the third round but nobody knew

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Speaker 1: obviously Jopry was a higher rated prospect. Joppru was a

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Speaker 1: really good player. Yeah, I mean it really got hurt

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Speaker 1: a lot. He did. He just couldn't stay on the field,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that's not the case for a colleague.

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Speaker 1: But oh, by the way, guests who essentially red shirted

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Speaker 1: his first year when he was in Kansas City Kelsea, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, I think it is a red shirt

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Speaker 1: year for wearing he could have played he could have

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Speaker 1: come out of IR, could have come off of IR

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Speaker 1: at some point, but I think if they were going

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Speaker 1: good at tight end, and that was not something they

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Speaker 1: were willing to do at the time. Remember, you've got

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Speaker 1: to declare him as one of the two, and they

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Speaker 1: did bring Jordan Thomas off. They have to declare him

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Speaker 1: as one of the two that you can bring off IR,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to wave a guy from your

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Speaker 1: fifty three man roster to make room for him. And

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Speaker 1: that was not an issue for them last year for

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Speaker 1: most of the season, it really wasn't. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: had other things that they were focused on, and clearly

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Speaker 1: they went through a defensive backs and they traded for

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Speaker 1: Gary and Conley and Vernon Hargraves who was let go recently.

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Speaker 1: Of Course, a lot of stuff happening on the back end,

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Speaker 1: and they just had to do what they had to

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Speaker 1: do and tight end was not a focus, if you will,

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Speaker 1: It made sense to bring Thomas off because he had

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Speaker 1: done so well the year before, knew the system caught

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Speaker 1: the four tds. I know we didn't do much once

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Speaker 1: he came off IR, but I don't think that that's

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Speaker 1: a big problem. No, And the thing about Coli is

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Speaker 1: I wonder if at some point just to get him

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Speaker 1: out on the field, if JJ had been healthy the

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Speaker 1: whole year, where there was not a possibility of bringing

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Speaker 1: him back, that possibility didn't even exist, right if they

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Speaker 1: had done it, would would they have thought about bringing

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Speaker 1: Cola back? Now the question would be more into the

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Speaker 1: flow of the first place. I even really bringing him back,

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Speaker 1: but well, yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, no, you're

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Speaker 1: exactly right. Getting getting him reps so that his first

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Speaker 1: rep on in the field isn't as a second year rookie,

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Speaker 1: basically to kind of get some of those uh initial

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Speaker 1: um reps. Can you get those under your belts? You

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Speaker 1: kind of know what you're going into the offseason. He

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Speaker 1: still doesn't know what it's going to be like to

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Speaker 1: be an NFL player, But I know this, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to see what he does as an NFL player. I

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Speaker 1: know that. How did I not mentioned James Casey's name

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Speaker 1: only because yes, and he's a local. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: call him a local hero, but you know, the local

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Speaker 1: guy played for Rice and it was fun when he

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Speaker 1: was drafted because he was just down the street and

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Speaker 1: he could come to the press conference. Even though he's

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Speaker 1: a fifth round draft choice, he was readily available to

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Speaker 1: attend the media gathering on draft weekend, so that was

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. Anyway, Johnny, thanks a lot for joining us. Mark,

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Speaker 1: thank you. All Right, tomorrow, it's Draft Wednesday. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: any early indicator. It's going to be a surprise this

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Speaker 1: Wednesday that knew you were going there. That's the Wednesday

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Speaker 1: night meal. We cook up a draft for you. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be fun. And don't forget. One week from tonight

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Speaker 1: we will be broadcasting from the scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for that. Thanks for listening, a great night,

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Speaker 1: and go Texans.