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Speaker 1: All media.

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Speaker 2: All right, y'all, here we are politics with prop You

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Speaker 2: already knew because you obviously have clicked play at some point.

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Speaker 1: Today's a special one.

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Speaker 2: We do this series called Terraformers, and which was, according

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Speaker 2: to the surveys we took, was like the least like

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Speaker 2: types of episodes.

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Speaker 1: I was like, y'all don't want to meet people actually

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Speaker 1: do it good, you know. But I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: care what y'all say. You're gonna get this work right.

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Speaker 2: So so every once in a while we try to

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Speaker 2: bring in people actually doing.

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Speaker 1: Real work out here, you know.

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Speaker 2: And somehow, I don't know how we got connected. I

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Speaker 2: just got an email that said, y'all need to holler

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Speaker 2: at Maris and I was like, let's holler at Maris

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Speaker 2: so working families party, right, okay, ladies and gentlemen to

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Speaker 2: the block, Mariics Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's good to be with you, bro, It's

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Speaker 3: good to be here. Many glad to be with you

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Speaker 3: in your audience for real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So glad to have you here.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: This is unique, Like, like the reality is I have

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Speaker 2: never said yes to a candidate that wanted to be

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Speaker 2: interviewed on the show. I've never said yes to anybody

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Speaker 2: that's part of a party, Like I've never said yes

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Speaker 2: to that, you know what I'm saying. Some of that

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Speaker 2: is because like I don't know you cuz you're we're

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Speaker 2: saying like you're not gonna use my name? You feel

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Speaker 2: me like I work real hard for his name, I got,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So you know, it's it's

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Speaker 2: very rare that like I you know, won't be given

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Speaker 2: out from co signs like that, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Most of the people we've we've had on the show,

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Speaker 2: I've either known personally or have been a fan of

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Speaker 2: for a long time, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 2: this is really a first you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: because I think ground, Yeah, what you're doing is unique.

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Speaker 2: So for y'all that don't know this young man is

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Speaker 2: is is the head of a major political party.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say major because you major homi uh.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And we did an episode last year which is basically

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Speaker 2: about like it was like political parties here are like

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Speaker 2: ordering at like a Jamaican restaurant to where it's just like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, like you know, like your actual order. What

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Speaker 1: you walk in there? Do you actually ordered? They ain't

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Speaker 1: got yo?

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Speaker 3: Say let me let me get a patty pati done?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, let me you already know? All right?

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Speaker 3: Son?

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Speaker 1: Peace? All right, son peace? What's done?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, you're not gonna have

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Speaker 2: have So I just got to settle with whatever you willing,

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Speaker 2: whatever's left.

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Speaker 1: Like that's what I feel like voting is here.

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Speaker 3: You know that's really that's a really good analogy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you got to settle and you're confused. It's like, why

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Speaker 3: are they mad at me? Like I'm trying to I'm

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Speaker 3: in your establishment. I'm trying to understand.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you wrote it on the menu. You

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Speaker 2: said this was an option. You tell you it's not

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Speaker 2: an option.

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Speaker 1: Okay, substitute the sweet potato fries? What if? I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what if? On like sweet? How come I can't I

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Speaker 1: can't get the tots? Nah? No, this is how the

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Speaker 1: menu will, just how the menu work. It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: damn okay.

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Speaker 2: So having viable, you know, third, fourth, fifth party options

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Speaker 2: has been something that's been a blaring problem since you know, really,

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Speaker 2: like I mean, whether were talking like wigs or like

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Speaker 2: has you know, is just kind of like it's built

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Speaker 2: into the batter, you know what I'm saying. So so

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Speaker 2: it's been a difficult thing. So what you're doing is

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Speaker 2: really a herculean lyft number one, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: and then a number two like really it's I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's necessary. So that being said, let's hear some of

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Speaker 2: this math here. So first of all, like who are

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Speaker 2: you right? Where you from? And like if you can,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you've practiced this plenty of times. But like,

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Speaker 2: what was that catalyst that was like all right, fam,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting in this? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So

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Speaker 2: who am I? I mean, I feel like whenever I

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Speaker 2: I grew up on the East Coast.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in a in a different there's a

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Speaker 3: you know, there's another long Beach. I grew up in

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Speaker 3: a long beach on the East Coast, the New York one. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Long Beach, New York, the Second Beach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'm sorry, it's just unnecessary shade.

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Speaker 3: Oh Man, Yeah, listen, oh Man. But you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: a I'm a child of the golden era of hip

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Speaker 3: hop word.

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Speaker 3: My cousins were hip hop artists, So I got to

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Speaker 3: and that that has really shaped my life, shaped my

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Speaker 3: politics in any way. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm somebody

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Speaker 3: who was raised in a family of black people that

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Speaker 3: My mom is a retired registered nurse. My dad was

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Speaker 3: a retired electrician, worked underneath trains, you know, and they

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Speaker 3: both worked long hours, but they would make sure every

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Speaker 3: you know, and we would get to choose a book.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: And so I didn't realize looking back, I see how

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Speaker 3: there's an event that took place that we need to

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Speaker 3: always bring up, the move bombing you know Philadelphia, right

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Speaker 3: This isn't this isn't Black Wall Street.

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Speaker 1: We were alive. This is recent memory, right.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm in a family that my dad always

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Speaker 1: And so I was raised.

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Speaker 3: I was raised with a certain level of consciousness, and

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Speaker 3: That was normal to me, the idea you could have

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Speaker 3: We're gonna move in our own way, right, So that

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Speaker 3: is when people ask who I am, how I'm raised?

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Speaker 1: Is all those things.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, being a black child in the eighties,

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Speaker 3: So it's like I'm a child of all of those contradictions.

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Speaker 3: I just I live with those things. I was radicalized

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Speaker 3: to college, and I went to Howard University and that

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Speaker 3: and I mean it was is mind blowing.

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Speaker 1: I think this might have been his last year of life.

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Speaker 3: He said a lot of things, but he said one

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Speaker 1: He said he was he was at the end.

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Speaker 3: He's a organizers at the end. He invided people to

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Speaker 3: join his organization. Yeah, the All African People's Revolutionary Party. Right,

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Speaker 3: And so I remember that to that day and left

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Speaker 3: and I was like, man, I'm yeah, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: That's what I wanted. It was like a religious experience.

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Speaker 3: And the second thing that happened to me and Howard

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Speaker 3: Howard University, you have every single type of black person

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Speaker 3: Regular sh regular black folks from the US, every region,

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Speaker 3: up working class. You got black elite people who you know,

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Speaker 3: who their great grandparents have high degrees from college.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: You got every type of black person.

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Speaker 3: And the thing that that I think was so radicalizing

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Speaker 3: it was a.

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Speaker 1: Reminder that none of that matters. Don't matter.

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Speaker 3: Bro, none of those distinctions matter. It doesn't matter at all. Right,

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Speaker 3: And so whatever type of black person you think you are, right,

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Speaker 3: you need to understand the assignment that we that it's

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Speaker 3: our duty, it's our duty to organize around one agenda

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Speaker 3: so that we could defend ourselves from that type of violence.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just the state violence against police like that.

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Speaker 3: It's all the different economic violence, whatever. And you can't

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Speaker 3: escape it. Your degrees can't can't allow you to escape

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Speaker 3: account can't allow you to escape your blackness, none of

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Speaker 3: those things. And so the quicker, you know that, the quicker,

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Speaker 3: you could develop a strategy for survival. Let's go from

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not any smarter than you, you know what

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Speaker 2: That almost gave me the chills, bro, because like, what

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Speaker 3: you need to build a party. So I started off

437
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Speaker 3: as a as a grassroots organizer. Like I said, when

438
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Speaker 3: I left college, I went back home to New York

439
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: and I started working in a very very small, underresourced

440
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: grassroots organization and we worked on all types of issues.

441
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Speaker 1: It was, it was just one issue.

442
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: We worked on making sure that big companies didn't pollute

443
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 3: working class communities, especially working class communities of color. We

444
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: writ to make sure that education money got to not

445
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 3: just wealthy school districts that could afford it because they're

446
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Speaker 3: able to have a tax base that allows them to

447
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Speaker 3: have things right and property taxes. But you know, maybe

448
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 3: you know working class neighborhood like Wine Dance.

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Speaker 1: Wine Dance on Long.

450
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Speaker 3: Island, one hundred percent of the students are black. When

451
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Speaker 3: I was working on those campaigns to get more money

452
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: into that school district and other school districts like it,

453
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: the graduation rate was in.

454
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Speaker 1: The thirtiesh So that means.

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Speaker 3: Basically, if you are working hard and you're doing all

456
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: the right things, and you're sending your child to that school,

457
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 3: chances are your child will not graduate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, only three out of ten is good. You're doing

459
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Speaker 1: everything you could do as a parent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, everything that this country says you're supposed

461
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: to be doing, you're doing, and chances are your child

462
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Speaker 3: will not graduate.

463
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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, so we did a lot of work to try

465
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Speaker 3: to change those things. And what I realized is, you know,

466
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Speaker 3: and I'm really proud of the work that we did.

467
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Speaker 3: But I realized that at a certain level, the grassroots

468
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Speaker 3: organizing that I was doing.

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Speaker 1: We would hit a wall. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That wall was the elected officials that even when we

471
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Speaker 3: brought it to them, they did not want to hear us.

472
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: And it was because they were listening to and they

473
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: felt accountable to the real estate lobby or the pharmaceutic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: And so that got that got me involved in elections

476
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: because I was like, we need to take them out, right,

477
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: And so so that got me involved in elections. We decided,

478
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: all right, let's get new elected officials. And you know,

479
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: at the time New York the legislature was run by Republicans.

480
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 3: We had a Republican governor, and they weren't they weren't

481
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: hearing any of that. And so we were like, all right,

482
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Speaker 3: we're gonna flip the the legislature from Republican to Democrat.

483
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Speaker 3: Once we do that, boom, And we eventually did that,

484
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: and we we learned that once you flip from Republican

485
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Speaker 3: to Democrat, it's not going to be a game changer

486
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Speaker 3: because so many of those Democrats are listening to the same.

487
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Speaker 1: Lobbyists, same.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, so we were like, Yo, they were talking

489
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: all this good stuff about educational equity and racial justice

490
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 3: to da da dada where they didn't have power, but

491
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: now they have the power to do something, and now

492
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: they're like, it's like they have.

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Speaker 1: Amnesia and they're not right. Okay. So that was a

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Speaker 1: huge lesson.

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00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: So lesson number one, when I was working on the

496
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 3: very very grassroots level with parents and teachers and students,

497
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: the power of grassroots organizing, it's undeniable, but there's barriers,

498
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: and those barriers are political. And the way that you

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Speaker 3: overcome those political barriers. Lesson number two is by getting

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Speaker 3: different people into office. Lesson number three. Who those people

501
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: are matter. It's not just the or R next to

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Speaker 3: their Who those people are matter? Right, Okay, fast forward,

503
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: fast forward, because I'm being those people, right and I'm

504
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: feeling frustrated year after year after year. And in the

505
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Speaker 3: midst of that, Michael Brown is murdered in Saint Louis, right,

506
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Speaker 3: And it's hard to explain where I was at in

507
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: my mind at the time, but it was like I

508
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: felt appalling in that moment, and I picked up the

509
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Speaker 3: phone and I reached the Organization for Black Struggle in

510
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Speaker 3: Saint Louis, and you know, we had a good conversation.

511
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: The organizer I spoke to and I was like, look,

512
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: I'm in New York right now, but I will get

513
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Speaker 3: on a plane and support whatever you're doing, and I

514
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: will follow your lead and I will recruit others and

515
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'll go for I'll go this weekend

516
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: and you know, and they were like boom, come through.

517
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Speaker 3: And it was life changing, life changing what I saw

518
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Speaker 3: on the ground in Saint Louis. I saw every type

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Speaker 3: of black person that yeah all together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to do it because I come from music.

521
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: I got to do a benefit concert around that time too.

522
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Speaker 2: And when you witness, like first of I had no

523
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Speaker 2: idea like Ferguson was the Sundowntown.

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Speaker 1: But then like once you.

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Speaker 2: Witness, yeah, this full strap, full like social stratification of

526
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Speaker 2: black people, like all in one space, it was like,

527
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Speaker 2: oh this is yo, it's different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, life changing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, from the from very very very

530
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Speaker 3: young people you know with science hands up, Mike Brown, yeah, people,

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Speaker 3: church folk, yep, the people in the civil rights organizations,

532
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Speaker 3: the people in the street organizations, yeah right, everybody, but

533
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Speaker 3: you know, the everybody.

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Speaker 1: It was like something I never could have imagined.

535
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Speaker 3: And so I was like, whatever the people, whatever, the

536
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: working class black people who were willing to take these

537
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: risks on these streets are doing, I'm gonna support it, right,

538
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: And so I basically stayed in Ferguson and in Saint Louis.

539
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: I left the work that I was doing in New York,

540
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Speaker 3: and I was able to see the rise of the

541
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Speaker 3: movement for Black Lives. Yeah, from that ground level, maybe

542
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: a week or two after Michael Brown was murdered to

543
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: it becoming an international so the right and so what

544
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: I saw, and this will get to why I'm like, okay,

545
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: political parties, what I saw was, Wow, social movements have

546
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Speaker 3: the power to call questions at the level of society

547
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: where everybody question that the social movement is calling. Everybody

548
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: has that on their lips, right, And I saw that

549
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: Barack Obama was like Ferguson, what's going on in Ferguson?

550
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: But you know, to you know, man, I was in

551
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: Tanzania and this this brother in Tanzania was like, tell

552
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: me about fergus It was like that, right, Yeah, Now

553
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: social movements could call the questions social movements and protest movements,

554
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: they could surface these contradictions, like big contradiction in this

555
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: country that we have ignored violence against black people.

556
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: Now we're dealing with it.

557
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: But but social movements don't necessarily have the power, and

558
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: protest movements don't necessarily have the power to answer the

559
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: question and resolve the contradiction. So you ask the question

560
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: and then the most organized forces are able to answer

561
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: the question. And generally, under this system, the system of capitalism,

562
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: the most organized forces tend to be companies, corporations, organized capital.

563
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: So so Taser International, which they produced the Taser, and

564
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: they produce they produced non lethal weapons, right they they

565
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: they're made. They had a product body cameras, right yeah.

566
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: And this was before body cameras have become now they're very,

567
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: very popular. They were like the answer to these killings

568
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: like Mike Brodcamera boom, and their logic was the mainstream

569
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: logic of the day. If you put the body cameras

570
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: on these cops, they're gonna be self aware of the

571
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: fact that they're being recorded. They're not gonna, you know,

572
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: commit these heinous crimes against people. BA Bob easy And

573
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: it became the answer. So what did I learn from that?

574
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: I learned that we need the We need everything. We

575
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: need the ability and the grassroots like I saw to

576
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: be able to bring people together on our issues. Like

577
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: I saw in in Windage. We need the ability to

578
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: elect people who actually are about that business. I saw

579
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: that we need the ability to protest because we've got

580
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: to call the question. We've got to surface these big

581
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: problems in our society. And if we stopped there, we're

582
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: gonna alley oop the ball to companies and corporation because

583
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: under the system, under the system of capitalism, every problem

584
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: requires an answer, and so every problem becomes a market

585
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: for a company.

586
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Right, right, And so a couple of gems. Man, Yeah,

587
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: so when.

588
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: You surface a social problem, that becomes a market for

589
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: a company. So you protest and you make a social problem.

590
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 3: There is a some probably white man in some office

591
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: somewhere right who is looking at that social problem and

592
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how he can market to it.

593
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: How do I monetize it? You, how can I monetize it?

594
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 4: But the.

595
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Speaker 2: Real quick, the sinister propheticness of the idea of the

596
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: Taser company also making the body cam that it's the

597
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: same you know, like how America funds civil wars and

598
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: we actually fund both sides of the civil wars, like

599
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: this is it's so sinister anyway?

600
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: Go on? Yes, And so I read like that was

601
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Speaker 1: my experience.

602
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, So, even when our protest movements

603
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: work at the highest level, we're going to throw up

604
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: a ball, which is this organic, authentic calling from the street,

605
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: and they're gonna slam duckt and make profit off of it.

606
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: How can we correct that? And my thing is like, well,

607
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: we don't have.

608
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: The billions of dollars that they have that allow them

609
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: to have lobbyist city level, the county level, you know,

610
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: so that they have all of these capacities to be

611
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: able to be like boom, we got a solution for you.

612
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: We got a solution.

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00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 3: But if we're able to take government, because government has

614
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: a lot of capacity, Government actually has a lot of resources,

615
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: has a lot of staff. If we people could govern together,

616
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: then we could have a protest movement on the outside

617
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: calling calling the question, and then we get people who

618
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: are aligned with that, with that social movement on the

619
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: inside governing and then being able to deliver an answer

620
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: and and so. And the vehicle the organization that focuses

621
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: day in and day out on governing is a political party.

622
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 3: That's what political parties are. For political parties small and large.

623
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: They wake up every day, the political parties put their

624
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: pants on and they have this they have this audacious

625
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: idea that the ideas in their head to be the

626
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: ideas out in the world. Wow, that's what political parties believe.

627
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 3: And that's the difference between a protest movement. Protest movements

628
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: are protesting the power. Political parties seek to be the power.

629
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Speaker 3: And so that's why that's why I focus so much

630
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 3: on building party power. It's not because I think grass

631
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: who's organizing isn't powerful. It is powerful. It's not because

632
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: I think electing individual elected officials is powerful. That's critical.

633
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: It's not because I don't think protest is powerful. I've

634
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: been on the ground floor of a protest movie.

635
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: All of those things are important.

636
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: But if we don't focus on governing, then what will

637
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: end up doing is calling a question that our class

638
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: enemies will answer. You know, the billionaires, all of the

639
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: people like Elon Musk. Yeah, they will answer the question,

640
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: and I don't want them to answer the question.

641
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they answer it wrong because we said the

642
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: government's corrupt. He said, Okay, Like right, I'm going to

643
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: fix corruption.

644
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: Okay, hold my beer.

645
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically like I got you. Didn't you say you

646
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: wanted me to root out corruption?

647
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: Yo? Listen, we got to.

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00:37:54,040 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

649
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm like furiously in my head taking notes on a

650
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: few on so many things that you said that I

651
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: wanted to come back to. And you kind of answered

652
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: the next question, which was like, well then why not

653
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: just why choose work within rather than just burning it

654
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Speaker 2: down and starting over?

655
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Speaker 1: And I think it kind of already kind of answered that.

656
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Speaker 3: But one thing I want to say a little bit,

657
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Speaker 3: a little bit about the burning down thing, because I've

658
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: had the honor of having political mentors. Yeah, political mentors

659
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: of all stripes, and political mentors who were around and

660
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 3: very political during the late sixties, yeah, the early seventies,

661
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: all the way up to the early eighties. And you know,

662
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: you're you're a child of a black panther, so you know,

663
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: people who were active during those times, they were.

664
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Speaker 1: About that life, Like who were about that life for real?

665
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: For real?

666
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the people who have mentored me that came

667
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: through those experiences, they do not romanticize, No, they do

668
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: not romanticize any of that type of activity. It is

669
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: serious business. So I'll just I'll say that right, Like,

670
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of people who cosplay Revolution.

671
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: Not for sure. Yeah, it's like, all know, if you

672
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: know what you're asking for.

673
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Speaker 3: And in my experience, people on the internet cosplaying Revolution

674
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: nine times out of ten they are not about that life.

675
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Speaker 1: And I say that based on having.

676
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Speaker 3: Deep relationships with people who were about that life and

677
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: if need to, would be about that life.

678
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

679
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Speaker 3: And the thing is when you say burn it down,

680
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: I want people to be very specific, right because you know,

681
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: when you think about black people in our position in

682
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 3: the society, you're talking about burning down.

683
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Speaker 1: Let's use the analogy of a house.

684
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, cool, But what happens if you and

685
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: your people are in an accessory apartment that is a

686
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Speaker 3: basement apartment in that house.

687
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the door's locked.

688
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah you want you want to burn this joint? Like, listen,

689
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: I'm about that, but listen, you want to you want

690
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: to burn it down while we're in it?

691
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the basement. Yeah, that's what you know.

692
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: That's what the hummies say, Like they're like, well, that's

693
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: really gonna hurt us more?

694
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Speaker 3: Yes, Like, yeah, I want us to be really clear

695
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: about what we're talking about. It's like, I mean this

696
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: this goes back to I was talking to somebody about this.

697
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Speaker 3: This is during the election, and people are like, man,

698
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: we're going to teach the Democrats the lesson and so

699
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: we're not gonna vot so we could teach them a lesson.

700
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Speaker 1: And you know, if they lose, they're going to learn

701
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Speaker 1: their lesson.

702
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: I was like, who, let's be specific. I want you

703
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: to be specific about about the consequences, right, because when

704
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: you say the Democrats, you're probably talking about the people

705
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: inside of the Democratic Party apparatus that have the power.

706
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: These people are very, very wealthy, very very privilege. You're

707
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: probably talking about the consultants that sell TV ads and

708
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: sell digital ads, and like, these people are very wealthy, right,

709
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: win or lose, these people will continue to be wealthy

710
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 3: and to.

711
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: Still make seven figures and go back to their mansions.

712
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, win or lose, Like nothing is really going

713
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: to happen to them. Are you talking about Joe Biden

714
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: and his family, You're talking about common They're gonna.

715
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Speaker 1: Be oh hey yeah right.

716
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 3: You on the other hand, yeah, you on the other hand,

717
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: if MAGA and Trump and these oligarchs take to office,

718
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: and they do half of what's in Project twenty twenty.

719
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: Five, you're going to feeling. So so when we talk

720
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: about what are you ging them a lesson? Yeah? And

721
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: and you know, burning it down.

722
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Speaker 3: I want us to be really specific about what we're

723
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: talking about and have a strategy. That's all I'm saying,

724
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: Like what what we really yeah? And what are we

725
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: gonna rebuild?

726
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: Yeah?

727
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: No, I think like I think that, Like you know,

728
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: as a parent, it's like, all right, your kids like

729
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: walking along a brick fence and you're like get down,

730
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: get down, or are you're gonna be like now let

731
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: them fall?

732
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: They gonna learn?

733
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: And it's like okay, ah, so you're gonna watch your

734
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: child get a concussion and then take them to the

735
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: hospital Like who's learning here?

736
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: Or are you just like you know what? Let me go? Yo?

737
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: I mean like yo, absolutely, if you said something really important,

738
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 3: really important, you said rebuild Because and as a as

739
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: a son of a panther, what you know is that

740
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 3: the Panthers were about building a new society. Yeah, that's

741
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, that's what they were about. They were

742
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 3: about building.

743
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: That's what I was. Yep.

744
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: That's like when I say it I'm like, I think,

745
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: which is something you suggested. I think burning down is

746
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: different than a controlled demolition. And if you've ever built something,

747
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 2: there are things you have to tear down, but it's purposeful,

748
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking about how it's coming down, what parts

749
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: were taking down, what needs to be salvage, how we're

750
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: replacing the new lumbers already here, Like you know what

751
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I'm putting this down and putting this in.

752
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So yeah, but like me,

753
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: I want to I want it in a few minutes.

754
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: I got left.

755
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Speaker 2: I want to go back to a few things you said,

756
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: which is like the functions of a political party. I

757
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: think one thing that kept really frustrating me during the

758
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: DNC was when they said we're going to read from

759
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five and then proceeded to not read

760
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: from project and just say it's gonna do this to you.

761
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: And it's like, fam just like if just read, if

762
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: you would just read what it says, if you just

763
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: let people say, look, this is what it says, then

764
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: go do you understand that? And then be like okay,

765
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: now these are the implications of that. But I'm pretty

766
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: sure you heard it because you just this is what

767
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 2: this is what they said they gonna do. I don't

768
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: understand what you're so surprised about. They said they gonna

769
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: do this. And then when Trump goes, I don't know

770
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: these people, and then you go, oh, word, well it

771
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 2: looks like the forward.

772
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: Was endorsed by jd Vance wrote the forward.

773
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Speaker 2: Ye, so either you'll know what's happening in your own

774
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: house or you lying so like, I don't understand what

775
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: Like if.

776
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: You just say that you know what I'm saying, I

777
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: think we'd be in a different place.

778
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: So then yeah, So then the other thing that I

779
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: think you brought down, you brought really together for people

780
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: is the reality of of the both and in that

781
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: I talk about like a lot of times on the

782
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: show too, like people in the streets having actual political

783
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: power in the sense that like if you shot a

784
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: text and was like, hey, we're gonna be on seventh

785
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: in line today and then a hundred people.

786
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: Show up, you feel me you have actual political power.

787
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: You don't have to.

788
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: You don't have to, You're not astroturfing nothing like, you

789
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: really have the pull.

790
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: But what did it take for you to do that? Well,

791
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: you had to be outside. You know what I'm saying.

792
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: So you have been outside for years for people to

793
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, so when you say we sliding, we sliding,

794
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So so, but I can't

795
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: bring I can't so I can't go into anybody's like

796
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: legislative office and be like I want you all to

797
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: do this, because they gonna be like, who is you?

798
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: And then if you like, who am I? Okay, watch

799
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 2: this dude, boom, it's a dread heads in the lobby

800
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: right now.

801
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: You feel me.

802
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: It's like, that's that's who we are. You feel me.

803
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I don't care

804
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: how many dreadheads are in the lobby. If the brother

805
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: that runs that organization is paying my mortgage like that,

806
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: he putting food in my children's in my children's mouth,

807
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: I don't care what you say.

808
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: You bring it. Bring all your homies, yo.

809
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: Say, like, look, I belong to them, you know So

810
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: I think the both and of like, you can't just

811
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: try to get people elected because first of all, you

812
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: can't elect them if you ain't got the cred, you

813
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But once you got the cred,

814
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: you got to be able to take it somewhere, you

815
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I think that you you,

816
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: you really put the two pieces together in a way

817
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: that like I have yet to hear hear anybody anybody do.

818
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: So I got like three minutes with you.

819
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: So my last question is like, oh, man, in this

820
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: our work by so quick man, you need to fast

821
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: for part two for show bro We're doing this again.

822
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: So look, I'm like, all right, everybody ain't starting a

823
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: political party, you know what I mean? Like you said,

824
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: we work in families.

825
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: It's like, ma gi, like fools can't do their laundry,

826
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: let alone go organized.

827
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: Like it's still a pile of laundry sitting in the corner.

828
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

829
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: We still gotta work on your daughter's a little animal project,

830
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: like talking.

831
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: About talking about rebuild a political party. You feel me?

832
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: So I guess what I'm asking is like, where can

833
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: somebody who is working like that?

834
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: Where can they start? What are some like easy pieces

835
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: they could do? Okay, So.

836
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give people the advice I got from Stokely

837
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: Carmichael comment.

838
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: Take notes. Everybody take notes. Okay, your job.

839
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: Is to find an organization, right, and so if you're

840
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: listening to me, you could join the Working Families Party. Yeah, right,

841
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: you could actually join. It's easy. We try to make

842
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: it easy for you. You could go on our website. You

843
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: could text my name Mo Moe to three zero four

844
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: zero three and you'll get a text back. We'll plug

845
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: you in right now. People have different levels of time

846
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 3: and responsibility, So if all you have is a few minutes,

847
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: then you could go on our social media and just

848
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: read because, like I said before, part of the job

849
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: of a political party is to explain to the people

850
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: what is going on, and you could learn everything that

851
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: I know. There's a lot of misinformation, disinformation. Everything on

852
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: our channels is validated, real information for working people to

853
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: understand the day to day, right, So that's number one.

854
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: If you just I just got a few minutes, go

855
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: on any of our social media so that you could

856
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: learn and stay up on what's going on, right, and

857
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: we will come election time give you our voter guide

858
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 3: so you'll know how to vote for the candidates who

859
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: align with Working Families issues. If you have more than

860
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: a few minutes, if you have an hour, you could

861
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 3: actually join from wherever you're from.

862
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 1: You could join a phone bank, you could join.

863
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 3: We have political education where we're talking about all types

864
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: of things. We have these welcome gatherings that we do

865
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: everything that are virtual, so you could connect with other

866
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: people around the country who, like you, want to be involved.

867
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: But yo, you listen, you got yeah, the laundry, I

868
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: got that laundry pile too.

869
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: Everybody has, right, Okay.

870
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Speaker 3: If you got a little bit more time, right, there's

871
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: not only could could you begin to phone bank, like

872
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Speaker 3: for example, we're calling congressional leaders all around the country

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Speaker 3: to get them to push back against Elon Musk, trying

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Speaker 3: to take our money, trying to take our data. Right,

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Speaker 3: if you got a little bit more time, We're encouraging

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Speaker 3: everyday working people. You don't have to have degrees, you

877
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Speaker 3: don't have to run for office, and so we whole

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Speaker 3: now you're talking, we're recruiting one thousand working people around

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Speaker 3: the country to run for local office. So if you

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Speaker 3: have more time, and you might be thinking, well, I'm

881
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Speaker 3: talking to you because I know if you're dealing with

882
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Speaker 3: trying to trying to pay off medical debt, trying to

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Speaker 3: get your kids to daycare, trying to make sure that

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Speaker 3: your kid has a good education in a school that

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Speaker 3: may not you know, try try trying to be president

886
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Speaker 3: and try to figure out how to.

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Speaker 1: Make that IEP work for your yeah yeah, all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well, then you you know enough to be able to

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Speaker 3: to govern.

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Speaker 1: On the local level.

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Speaker 3: You should be in school board, you should be on

892
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Speaker 3: the city council, you should be on the school board.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: So we will support you, and we will train you

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Speaker 3: up to do that right, and we also train you

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Speaker 3: to support others to do that right.

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Speaker 1: And because we don't have billions of dollars, but what we.

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Speaker 3: Do know is that people power has always changed the world,

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Speaker 3: and so we're building this people power together.

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Speaker 1: So we go from a few.

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Speaker 3: Minutes, yeah, right, to several hours to all right, I'm

902
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 3: gonna actually be a part of the change and run

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Speaker 3: for we go through all of that.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you want, whatever whatever capacity you have, however you

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Speaker 3: want to start, will meet you there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I even love like you said, back to Stokely's game

909
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: of like, look dude, and if it ain't us, oh yeah,

910
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: clock in with somebody, tap in with somebody. When we

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Speaker 2: interviewed h I don't know if you know Bamboo up

912
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: up in the bay, but he's an amazing organizer up

913
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Speaker 2: there runs beat rock music, amazing rapper. But that was

914
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: one thing that like kind of the same thing. He

915
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: was doing this revolutionary hip hop stuff. And then somebody

916
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: was like, but have you joined an org? Like who's

917
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: who's your big hommies? Like who are you checking in with?

918
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Speaker 1: Where is this?

919
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: Where is it going? And he was like yeah, you know,

920
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: and like so that's that's the reality, you know, I

921
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Speaker 2: have mine. I'm part of a nonprofit Search for Common Ground,

922
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Speaker 2: Like I'm checking in with like I have to check

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Speaker 2: in you know what I mean?

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00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that is to me the primary wherever you are,

925
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 3: find your organization. Yeah, find your organization. We are for everybody. Yeah,

926
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Speaker 3: so you know, I don't I don't begrut you if

927
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Speaker 3: you if you look into WFP and you're like, ah,

928
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: that may not be it may not be for you,

929
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Speaker 3: but find an organization.

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00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: That's powerful.

931
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Speaker 2: Brett, thank you so much for your time. If you

932
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Speaker 2: could drop the ad symbols and then I'll let you go.

933
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: Okay, absolutely, let me drop those joints right now at

934
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Speaker 1: working families and.

935
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Speaker 2: At working families. I'm a verbally, but I appreciate you, Okay.

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Speaker 3: It He was like yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, So you

937
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Speaker 3: can find listen, you can find Working Families, party at

938
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Speaker 3: Working Families, and you can find me everywhere at Maurice

939
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Speaker 3: WFP on all social media platforms, the social media platforms

940
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Speaker 3: that are currently owned by the fascist lawyers.

941
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Speaker 1: It is so frustracked, so frustrating.

942
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I'm gonna put this video about how

943
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: to change the world and chant down Babylon on this

944
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Speaker 2: Babylon built site.

945
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm just like, contradictions are so intense, but which is why?

946
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: Which is why? And this is something I'm gonna start

947
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 3: talking about more. Why we need to we need to

948
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: have a future vision, right because we have to do

949
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Speaker 3: the work now stop them now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't keep doing this.

951
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we can't keep doing this because we need

952
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: to build the information platforms of tomorrow that allow us

953
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: to be more connected because there their information platforms are

954
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: designed to divide us so that they did its working,

955
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Speaker 3: oh like working.

956
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Speaker 1: Because yeah, you got my man.

957
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Speaker 3: You know, you got my man you know in farm

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Speaker 3: country thinkingm his enemy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like yeah, like.

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Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say, Yeah, yeah man, man, correct,

961
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Speaker 2: thank you so much.

962
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. Man, This has been dope.

963
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Speaker 2: So yeah, follow the hummy, get involved somewhere.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all, all right, y'all, pace, all.

965
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Speaker 2: Right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod. You

966
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Speaker 2: better listen to these credits. I need you to finish

967
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Speaker 2: this thing so I can get the download numbers. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so don't stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded

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Speaker 2: in East Lost boil Heights by your boy Propaganda. Tap

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Speaker 2: edited and mastered by your boy Matt Alsowski killing the

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Speaker 2: beat softly. Check out his website Matdowsofski dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'm a spelling for you because I know M A.

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Speaker 2: Matdowsowski dot com. He got more music and stuff like

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Speaker 2: that on there, so gonna check out. The heat Politics

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Speaker 2: is a member of cool Zone Media, executive produced by

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Speaker 2: Sophie Lichterman, part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your theme

982
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Speaker 2: music and scoring is also by the One and Overly

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Speaker 2: Mattowsowski still killing the beat softly, so listen.

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Speaker 1: Don't let nobody lie to you.

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Speaker 2: If you understand urban living, you understand politics. These people

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Speaker 2: is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all next week.

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