1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: It's that time. Time, time, luck and load. The Michael 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Vary Show is on the air. 3 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: Let me starting a little story to make a point 4 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: about the purpose of this first segment of the show, 5 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 2: which I hope you will take to heart. I'll make 6 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: it quick. So do you know the name Sandra more 7 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: than Probably not, especially if you're not from Florida. Do 8 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: you know the name Karen Geever's an attorney from Miami. 9 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: Probably not, unless you're one of our Florida listeners, including 10 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: our folks in say, Pensacola. 11 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: What are our call letters in Pensacola. I just lost 12 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: my sheep. 13 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: Either way, you don't know their name. But I'll bet 14 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: you you do know the name Catherine Harris. If you've 15 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: been following the process for a while political process, you 16 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: know the name Catherine Harris because in nineteen ninety eight 17 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: she ran far and was elected to the position of 18 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: Secretary of State in Florida. Not something that gets a 19 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: lot of attention, but when she was elected and took 20 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: office January fifth, nineteen ninety nine, the course of history 21 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: would change dramatically. Had she lost lost that election, our 22 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: history of the last twenty three years would be twenty two. 23 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: Years would be very, very different. 24 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: And the reason is because in a down ballot race 25 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: that most people don't pay much attention to, certainly not 26 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: the rest of the country, and very few people in Florida. 27 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: Catherine Harris managed to defeat Karen Givers, a Democrat from Miami, 28 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: and be the last person to be elected Secretary of 29 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: State in Florida. After that, a constitutional change occurred where 30 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: the Secretary of State would now be appointed by the governor, 31 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: as it is in Texas, but at that time it 32 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: was elected. 33 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: And then in two thousand November, the. 34 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: Closest election we've had, and it all came down to 35 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: the state of Florida. And first they said Bush one, 36 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: then Gore won. Then they went back and forth all night, 37 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: and then Gore conceded, and then he. 38 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: Said, oh no, no, no, maybe I didn't concede. 39 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: And it all came down to the paper ballots in Florida, 40 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: and what was known as a butterfly ballot. Remember the 41 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: old spiral notebooks, you would have not the three ring binder, 42 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: but the one with the entire spiral, the slinky through 43 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: the middle of the papers. Well, the way that was 44 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: done some voters, it was alleged wouldn't push the paper 45 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: all the way through, so that became what was known 46 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: as a dimpled chad, and all of this effort went 47 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: into a few hundred votes. It was insane because whoever 48 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: won Florida would win the White House, and whoever lost 49 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: Florida would lose the entire election. Forty nine other states 50 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: and everything came down to who could get to two 51 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: seventy and neither one of them could get to two 52 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: seventy electoral votes without Florida. And so there was if 53 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: you remember some of you around the hanging chads, that 54 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: was a chad that had been pushed through but not 55 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: completely disconnected from the paper. I was kind of involved 56 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: in that election, can you tell? I get excited? And 57 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: then there was a dimple chat. A dimple chad was 58 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: something you remember when you were in school and you'd 59 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: write a note to a girl, or if you were 60 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: a girl, to a guy, and you would take a 61 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: piece of paper and put another paper over the top 62 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: of it, and you'd write on that top paper you 63 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: kind of press down and there'd be enough under the 64 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: underside that if you handed that to somebody, somebody just 65 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: glancing like a blank piece of paper, but if she 66 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: took that piece of paper and ran a pencil across it, 67 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: it would reveal the indentation in the paper, and you 68 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: could send a message kind of in this coded way, 69 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: and then we had invisible link ink. But that's a 70 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: different dece Well, that was what a dimple chad was. 71 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: It was pushed probably from an earlier vote on another issue. 72 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: So all this comes down. 73 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: All this comes down to the Secretary of State and 74 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: the decisions she makes. 75 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Of course it would end up with the Supreme Court. 76 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 2: But if the Secretary of State hadn't been Catherine Harris, 77 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: who made the decisions she did for truth on his fairness, judgment, objectivity, 78 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: which is what our party does, a Democrat would have 79 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: just swung the election to Gore, and Gore would have 80 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: been president, and who knows how life would have been different, 81 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: but it would have been worse, you'd be sure of that. 82 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: Not that I'm the biggest fan of George W. 83 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Bush. 84 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: She made a lot of mistakes, But the point is 85 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: how much elections matter, and elections that don't get any attention. 86 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: The course of America's history was changed because the people 87 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: of floor voted for Catherine Harris instead of some woman 88 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: that is relegated to scrap peep of history. I say, all, 89 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: let's say this, the most important elections in this country 90 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: are not the presidential election. It gets all the attention. 91 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: It's not even Kevin McCarthy. Most government is local government. 92 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: But because you don't go home after work and turn 93 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: on Fox News and they talk about who's running for 94 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: city council, dogcatcher, sheriff, county treasurer, county judge, county courts, 95 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: because that's not easily told to you, because that is 96 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: not spoon fed to you. Most people don't give a 97 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: damn about the local elections. They don't know who their 98 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: school board is. And that's why when little Billy comes 99 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: home and says, Mama, this happened at school today, and 100 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: they call up to the school and the school hangs 101 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: up on them. They go to the school board and 102 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: the school board cuts off their mic and calls a 103 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: Biden administration says, this person should be reported to the 104 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: FBI as a terrorist. What's happening? Why is my school 105 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: so crazy? Why wouldn't it be crazy? What have you 106 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: done to ensure it's not crazy? Inspect what you expect? 107 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: What made you think that everybody but you was going 108 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: to get involved in electing a good school board that 109 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: would then appoint a good superintendent and principle and hold 110 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: the teachers accountable. Did you just assume that everybody else 111 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: that thinks like you, that's reasonable and rational would get 112 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: involved and run for office and support good candidates. 113 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: Well, everybody's doing what you're doing. We're all standing back, 114 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: and then the thing. 115 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: Drops because nobody puts their hand out to stop it 116 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: from dropping. Nobody gets involved, nobody wants to care. Pick 117 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: up the phone and start making phone calls. Ask people 118 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: you trust. Sure, you're going to get some duds in 119 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: the mix. You're going to get some people that claim 120 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: there for God, country, faith, patriotism, who are running as 121 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: Republicans because that's the only way to win in their area. Sure, 122 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: that's going to happen, and you're going to be disappointed 123 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: by some people, But you have to stay engaged. You've 124 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: got to win the races that matter. You got to 125 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: take back your community. When you take back your community, 126 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: then you can get integrity back in your elections, and 127 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: then you can win back to county elections, and then 128 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: you can win back to statewide elections. That has to 129 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: happen right now in elections that won't be on Fox News. 130 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Michael Berry, the Michael Berry Show. 131 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: I'm feeling good, I am going to the gym. 132 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: I am working out. I do not suggest it. I 133 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: don't know who. 134 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: Thought of this, but I will tell you a better 135 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: plan than going to the gym. 136 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: Wake up and so a point of time. 137 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 3: Put on some brand new gym clothes, procrastinate, and then 138 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: around five thirty pm you say to yourself. 139 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's too late to go to the gym. 140 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: I guess I will go to a bar instead, where 141 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: people will look at me and say, he earned that drink. 142 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 3: Clearly he has just come from the gym. 143 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: One of the things I've noticed, and you may not 144 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: have because you have a life and you don't have 145 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: to follow this stuff for the sake of show prep, 146 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: is how many people are single and live in big 147 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: cities and post to Twitter constantly and are in media. 148 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: And these people are constantly aggrieved by something. They're often women, 149 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: and they feel so empowered that they're not married, children 150 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: and burdened and living in Nowheresville, America and living this 151 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: horrible life where they cook a meal for their family. 152 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: So what they do is. 153 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: Post all day about how upset they are and they 154 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: cry into their pillow. They're biting, and so there is 155 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: among this crowd there is a debate on social media 156 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: about how women dress at gyms, and they talk, by 157 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: the way, not only the women, the men too. They 158 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: talk a lot about going to the gym because they're 159 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: painfully single and incredibly lonely, So they go to the 160 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: gym all the time, and they post pictures about the gym, 161 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: and they talk about the gym, and they're at the gym. 162 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: They're at the gym. I'm at the gym. I'm at 163 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: the gym. 164 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: Herem where I'm moving at a gym, And everything they 165 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: do is about being at the gym. And they have 166 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: a series of posts that they put up and it 167 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: goes something like this. Usually on TikTok is where it'll start, 168 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: and then it'll gravitate to Twitter and it'll be a 169 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: woman who will post a video of herself working out 170 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: at the gym and she's wearing next to nothing and 171 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: she's all made up to go to the gym, and 172 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: then she'll complain that men always stare at her when 173 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: she works out. Oh, if they would just stop staring 174 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: at her. 175 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: And then someone. 176 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: Will reply to her post and say, men are staring 177 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: at you because of how you dress, and then the 178 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: women and then all the other women will pile on 179 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: and they'll bark back, why are you. 180 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: Trying to tell me how to dress? This is twenty twenty. 181 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: Three, And then this causes other people to reply back, 182 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: We're not telling you how to dress. We're just saying 183 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: if you wear a thong and a sport's brought at 184 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: the gym, people are gonna look, which is exactly what 185 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: she wants in the first place. And then she and 186 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: all the other women say, stop being so sexist, and 187 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: then the men and the women who are married come 188 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: back with it's not sexism, it's just human nature. And 189 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: this is how they while away their evening. These are 190 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: the people who think their lives are so much better 191 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: than yours because you're spending time with your child at. 192 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: The park, are on homework, are. 193 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: Nursing, or watching a movie on the couch as a couple. 194 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: These are the people who think. 195 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: They've got it all figured out because they're painfully single, 196 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: living in the big city and so incredibly progressive and 197 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 2: woke and I'm not sure, the folks on our side 198 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: are much better. 199 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: They're all going back and forth. 200 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: It's like, if you're actually happy, you don't need to 201 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: argue with these people all day long. But for some 202 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: reason they feel the need to. Really kind of sad. 203 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: I think we need a PSA about dressing slutty at 204 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: the gym. If you dress slutty at the gym, yes, 205 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: guys are gonna notice. It's almost as if that's what 206 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: you're out for. 207 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 4: You've seen them walking around the gym with their predatory gaze. 208 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: They think it's okay to look at us. Well it's 209 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 4: not okay. I'm speaking, of course, about six gendered, heteronormative 210 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 4: men who feel entitled to stare us women while they 211 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: I rape us at the gym. 212 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Stop I raping us. 213 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 5: Just because we wear sexy outfits while we exercise doesn't 214 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 5: mean it's okay for you to acknowledge our existence. Shame 215 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: on you can't you see we're trying to enjoy fitness. 216 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 5: Why is it that every time I put on a thong, 217 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 5: bikini or two band aids and a corkscrew, that's some 218 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 5: guy at the local Wyanca Jim who thinks he can 219 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 5: just all go me all he wants my prothetic breas 220 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 5: were not implanted for your enjoyment. That's why we women 221 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 5: and trans women are demanding that perverted men stop staring 222 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 5: at us while we lift weight in our underwear or 223 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 5: performed drag shows at the local public library. 224 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 6: And it's enough. 225 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 4: Thank you. 226 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 7: Yes, I tried to cancel my gym membership. Have you 227 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 7: ever heard a lazier statement in your life than I 228 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 7: tried to cancel my gym membership. You cannot get out 229 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 7: of this. I've walked off street gangs easier than canceling 230 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 7: gym memberships. 231 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: I called this. 232 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 7: Guy and he said, if you really want to cancel, 233 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 7: there are two ways. 234 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: No, there's just one way. I tell you and then 235 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: you do it. That's it. That's the only way. 236 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 7: We're actually halfway done right now. If you would just 237 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 7: meet me in the middle, we could close the case 238 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 7: on this one. 239 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, he said. 240 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 7: The first way is you can come in and cancel 241 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 7: in person. 242 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: Nope, it's not that one. You want to have a meeting. 243 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 7: What is that conversation going to be? As you can see, 244 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 7: I spent twenty six hundred dollars on four workouts. Now 245 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 7: from where I'm standing. The grounds for cancelation are pretty solid, 246 00:15:59,440 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 7: you know. 247 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 8: I bet you we've got ten thousands sweet little ladies 248 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 8: of seventy or more that would make a pound case 249 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 8: that you could eat cold and enjoy. 250 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: Michael Verry Show TV was once called a vast wasteland. 251 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: It was a place that parents would park their kids 252 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: so they wouldn't have to raise them, wouldn't have to 253 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: spend any time with them. 254 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: Wasn't anything wrong with that. 255 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time sitting on a bean 256 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: bag watching Saturday morning cartoons, and I'm the better for it, 257 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. But then we got these phones, 258 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: and then the phone became a way to text your 259 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: friends lols and fo rofl and whatever else. And then 260 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: there was that nonsense in vapid conversation. And then we 261 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: started social media, and somewhere along the way Twitter, Twitter 262 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: popped into our world. 263 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: And for all the. 264 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: Talk about how stupid and vapid and horrible and time 265 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: consuming it is, I'll be completely honest, I am better 266 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: at entertaining and engaging you because of the amount of 267 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: time I spend on Twitter. I hope it's not too much, 268 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: but it is the best place that I find the words, ideas, thoughts, commentary, quotes, 269 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: interviews of people that I would otherwise never come across, 270 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: and I get to share their unvarnished opinion that they 271 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: put out to the world. One such fellows by the 272 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: name of Chris Martz. He is best I can tell 273 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: a weatherman in Berryville, Virginia. I guess we'll find out 274 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: in just a moment. But I've been following this guy 275 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: for a while. While I wouldn't say I was stalking, 276 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: I did not say stalking one I said. 277 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I was stalking. 278 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: But I've been trying to get his attention, wearing him 279 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: out with emails, because this guy is just throwing heat 280 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 2: with facts about global warming. Now, global warming is not 281 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: technically in the news today as the top story, but 282 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: we can't put this pun intended on. 283 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: The back burner. 284 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: Global warming and everything that was done by the left, 285 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: at the Chinese direction, at George Soros's direction, at some 286 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: nonprofits directions has handcuffed our economy and hurt your life 287 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: and made things more expensive. So let's talk about the science. 288 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: I'm not prepared to talk about science because I'm not 289 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: smart enough to. But this fella is. I've been reading 290 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: him for a while and his stuff is fantastic. Chris Marts, 291 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: would you like an intro song? Do you have like 292 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: a walk up song like in baseball? Is there something 293 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 2: that would be, you know, inner Sandman or. 294 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: Something that's fine? I don't care. 295 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: I mean if you have a good walk up song, 296 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: we'll do that. Chris Marx is our guest. Welcome to 297 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: the program. I really I'm glad to have you on. 298 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of what you write. I think 299 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: you're doing great work. And my original reason for reaching 300 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: out to you as I did was to tell you 301 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: there are people out here that you will never meet 302 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 2: that are reading what you were saying and retweeting it 303 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: and trying to amplify your message because it is base 304 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: in science, actual science, and your expertise in your experience. 305 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 2: And I think there are a lot of people who 306 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: share your opinion who don't have the stones to speak 307 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: out as you do. So let me start by saying 308 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: thank you for the good work you do. It's a 309 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: real ministry. 310 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. I appreciate being here. So 311 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: let's just go down the list you posted a week ago. 312 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: Some people constantly criticize you because you don't say what 313 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: they've been told and have dutifully repeated, and you force 314 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: people to think anew about subjects they don't want to consider, 315 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: and that makes them uncomfortable. So they insult you. And 316 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: you said, quote, you don't understand because. 317 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: You don't read. I am not a climate change denier. 318 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: What are you? 319 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 6: Well, Michael, I consider myself to be a lukewarmer, and 320 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 6: that's somewhere between a climate alarmist and someone who is 321 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 6: a quote unquote denier. So I'm kind of I'm on 322 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 6: the position that climate change, global warming gets real, and 323 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 6: there is an anthropogenic element to it to some extent. 324 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 6: But this idea that we are facing a climate crisis 325 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 6: is just simply scientifically unsupportable by any relevant data metric. 326 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 6: So basically we know from instrumental temperature data that's aggregated 327 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 6: and into area weighted averaging, and obviously there's a lot 328 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 6: of uncertainty as to precisely how much. There's about a 329 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 6: thirty percent divergence in the data sets that we have 330 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 6: of the instrumental service temperature data, but the planet has 331 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 6: warned by about a degree celsius one point two degree 332 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 6: cells CEUs since eighteen fifty, and all else being equal, 333 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 6: adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere should cause some warming, 334 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 6: and obviously the increase in COO too. We've increased the 335 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 6: concentration by about fifty one percent, which is a halfway 336 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 6: of doubling from the pre industrial level since eighteen fifty, 337 00:20:54,760 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 6: and so global warming theory maintains that if you increase 338 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 6: the CO two level, you double its that increases or 339 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 6: enhances rather Earth's natural greenhouse effect by about one and 340 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 6: a half percent. So we reduced the UH the emission 341 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 6: of long wave radiation to space by about three point 342 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 6: seven watts per square meter, and there's a point there's 343 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 6: a point eight watt per square meter difference on that. Now, 344 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 6: for the average listener, a lot is a is a 345 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 6: measure of jules per seconds amount of power and then 346 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 6: standardized per unit of area measuring one square meter. So 347 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 6: that's just a flux, a radiation flux for the U 348 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 6: to break down the technical terms of that, but how 349 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 6: much warming actually results from doubling. That depends on amplifying 350 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 6: or dampening feedback mechanisms which take in as a response 351 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 6: to a change in that forcing of CO two and 352 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 6: So if this is called the equilibrium climate sensitivity, and 353 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 6: the I p c c's best estimate of that is 354 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 6: about three degrees celsius, So that's the temperature change in 355 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 6: response to doubling CO two, But a lot of that 356 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 6: and there's a lot of recent estimate suggests it's less 357 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 6: than that. And if that's the case, and that means 358 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 6: that the climate system is not as sensitive to our 359 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 6: CO two emissions and other greenhouse gases as they claim. 360 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 6: And the other problem with really truly detecting an answerburgenic 361 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 6: impact on the climate is that are the energy imbalance. 362 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 6: Earth's energy imbalance, which causes a temperature change, must be 363 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 6: an end of the nearest tenth level lot for square meter. 364 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 6: And yet the energy imbalance that we have has a 365 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 6: sixty six times larger uncertainty than the detection limits. So 366 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 6: it very much could be that most of the warmon 367 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 6: we have seen globally since say nineteen fifty, because that's 368 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 6: really when CO two emissions began to take off. 369 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: It really could be. 370 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 6: Mostly natural or it could be mostly anthrobergenic, and we 371 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 6: just simply don't know. My point really is that in 372 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 6: terms of whether or not to say crisis does not 373 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 6: depend on whether or not it's the exact calls, because 374 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 6: you can look at the number of deaths from whether 375 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 6: related disasters and our ability to adapt and overcome the 376 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 6: adversity's nature that throws at us have resulted in ninety 377 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: six percent reduction and the absolute number of deaths not 378 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 6: even standardized per capita, but the absolute number of deaths 379 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 6: despite a six billion population, six billion person increase in 380 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 6: population since nineteen twenty. And then the number of people 381 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 6: that are malnourished is that are record low. The crop 382 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 6: he olds are at an all time record high, and 383 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 6: that also goes to crop production, and then you look 384 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 6: at the share of the world living in poverty as 385 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 6: an all time record low. So the human condition, the 386 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 6: state of our welfare has never been better than it 387 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 6: is today. Even with climate change projections, it's expected to 388 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 6: only improve by the end of the century. 389 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: I don't want to get you out of your lane 390 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: because you have been very careful to focus on science. 391 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: But you get called basically. 392 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: An idiot for having opinions based purely on science that 393 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: you can defend based on science. Why do you think 394 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: that is? Why do you think? I mean, I have 395 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: my own opinions. But this this doesn't seem to me 396 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 2: an organic, an organic movement. It feels like it has 397 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: nefarious underpinnings. 398 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: Your thoughts. 399 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 6: Well, absolutely, and when they get pull to the work, 400 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 6: the name calling an adament of the pat it's the 401 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 6: the time that they have a loss for debate. 402 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: Chris, I have to up now. 403 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: I messed this line up. Hold on rub against a 404 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 2: break one moment. Chris Marx is our guest. You can 405 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: find him on Twitter's Fantastic. They remain scared the death 406 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: of you, and they remain scared to death of Trump. 407 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: You're not going anywhere even if Trump does. 408 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 6: You're not. 409 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: Our guest is Chris Marks. 410 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: He is, Uh, We're going to learn more about him, 411 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: but he has some very interesting perspectives on global warming. 412 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: I've been following him for a while, and as I 413 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: often do when I respect someone in their work, I 414 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: reach out and say, Hey, can you come on and 415 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: talk to me and a whole lot of my friends 416 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: about what you're talking about? Okay, so we're talking about 417 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: the underpinnings that backing the real impetus and genesis behind 418 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: the global warming movement. 419 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: I had to cut you off, so. 420 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 6: Good, Yeah, so back in the nineteen eighties we really 421 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 6: got a hold of the ozone, the ozone scared that 422 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 6: we had, and so that sign of the Montreal Protocol 423 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 6: and the kloofloacarbons that you know, led to the allegedly 424 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 6: led to the depletion of ozone in the stratosphere. And 425 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 6: the next big thing on their list of priorities to 426 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 6: tackle the United Nations this is, was the carbon dioxide emissions, 427 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 6: and they really wanted to regulate the two emissions in 428 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 6: the context of this new merging issue at the time, 429 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 6: and we're talking about nineteen eighty seven nineteen eighty eight 430 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 6: of this global warming movement, and this was really instigated 431 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 6: by the likes of NASA's doctor James Hansen. He was 432 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 6: at their god An Institute for Space Studies for many years. 433 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 6: And then of course, I think then Senator Al Gore, 434 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 6: who of course became our vice president and kind of 435 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 6: the political face of the climate change movement really for 436 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 6: the longest time until the course kind of summer came along. 437 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 6: But in the nineteen eighties, the United Nations really had 438 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 6: this kind of policy goal to regulate CO two emissions 439 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 6: because this was the way that they could really kind 440 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 6: of control. It had leverage over energy companies and manufacturing industry, 441 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 6: and so they kind of had the policy car ahead 442 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 6: of the scientistic course, and they were really looking for 443 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 6: to when they formed the UN Environment Program, and of 444 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 6: course in nineteen ninety the inter Governmental Panel and Climate 445 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 6: Change the IPCC, they had this kind of policy goal 446 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 6: to regulate these emissions, and they wanted to find They 447 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 6: wanted to bank royal scientists to have science that supported 448 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 6: that policy agenda. And so it was decided virtually a 449 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 6: decade ago that almost all scientific research will be funded 450 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 6: by the federal government and that's of course allocated in a 451 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 6: portion through Congress each year, through the Research and Development funds. 452 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 6: And when we decided to put politicians and therefore policy 453 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 6: goals in charge of that research funding, then we really 454 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 6: made science captive of a political agenda. And this is 455 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 6: something that Dwight President Dwight the Ousenhower warned could happen 456 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 6: and warned against that. They devised it against going down 457 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 6: this route, and is nineteen sixty one farewell address and 458 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 6: had now and now we have an army of scientists, 459 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 6: these foot soldiers whose careers their success in academia in 460 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 6: order to secure tenure at university, in order to get 461 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 6: accolades at these prestigious organizations like AMS and the American 462 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 6: Geophysical Union and the Royal Society, their careers depend on 463 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 6: the government and being concerned enough about climate change in 464 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 6: an environment environmental issues to continue to put money towards 465 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 6: the research so that they can have successful careers. And 466 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 6: when you put when you when you have this kind 467 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 6: of conflict of interest, it really degrades the quality of 468 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 6: science and calls them the question of modis behind it? 469 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 6: And this is interesting because I'm often accused of being 470 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 6: a you know, funded for by the fossil fuel industry, 471 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 6: which isn't true. But and and that would be a 472 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 6: conflict of interest potentially when it comes to conducting research. 473 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 6: But they never mentioned the fact that a lot of 474 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 6: these organizations, like Climate Central and the World Weather Attribution, 475 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 6: which blame climate change on extreme weather events, and they 476 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 6: cherry pick charts and data to show increases. When you 477 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 6: look at the full data setter's no increase. These organizations 478 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 6: are bankrolled by environmental groups and a lot of organizations 479 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 6: that donate the advocate for left wing calls is like 480 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 6: planned A Parenthood and of course, major donators and family 481 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 6: trusts that donate to the Democratic Party, so there's definitely 482 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 6: a conflict of interests there. And the government funding political 483 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 6: aspirations behind some of these policies and the science that 484 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 6: used to support them. 485 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: They're the conflict of interest. 486 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 6: So it's when when people always look at you know, 487 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 6: all then the deniers, the skeptics are funded by big oil. Well, 488 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 6: there's conflicts of interest everywhere, and you've got to be careful. 489 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 6: But so that's something that they never want to address. 490 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: No, And you know, I think if if a conflict 491 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: of interest or potential conflict of interest is disclosed upfront, 492 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: I think that's very important. You know, It's like when 493 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: a witness goes on the stand, I start a life. 494 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: As a lawyer. 495 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: As long as we understand, you know, who's paying this 496 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 2: quote unquote expert witness, because that very likely colors what 497 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: they're doing. We'll still listen to what they have to say, 498 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: but we do deserve to know that, and then from 499 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: there we can have the conversation. 500 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: So many people that do what you do, but. 501 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: From the other side that is argue this issue and 502 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: they're being paid by particular interests and don't disclose it. 503 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: I find that to be disingenuous and very disturbing, particularly 504 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 2: when it comes from external agents of the United States 505 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: whose interest is in slowing down our fossil fuel production 506 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: and dominance. 507 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: On that subject. 508 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: I am of the opinion that the burning of several 509 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: thousand year old dinosaur bones as an energy source is 510 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: insanely efficient and it makes our quality of life a 511 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: lot better at a very low cost, with minimal damage 512 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: to the environment. And it's damage I'm willing to sustain 513 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: for the improvement and quality of life. 514 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 6: Your thought, well, I've always been of the opinion because 515 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 6: I kind of be as objective as possible when we 516 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 6: all have biases. I have biases, everybody has bias. Every 517 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 6: scientist has biases, whether he or she admits it or not. 518 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 6: But I don't really care where our energy comes from 519 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 6: that we use to power modern civilization, so long as 520 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 6: it is one affordable for the working class and low 521 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 6: income families, two it's sustainable, and three it's efficient. So 522 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 6: those are free criteria that I have. 523 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: For energy sources. 524 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 6: It could come from very farts for all I care, 525 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 6: and I don't care. But when you've forced expensive and 526 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 6: unreliable intermittent energy on people. It makes their quality of 527 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 6: it lowers their quality of life, and that's not something 528 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 6: that we should be aiming for. That's not progress. And 529 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 6: a lot of the renewable energy technologies, primarily utility scale 530 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 6: wind and utility scale solar, do not fit the description 531 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 6: of a sustainable falt efficient energy source because when they 532 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 6: are added to the grid, they don't replace fossil fuels. 533 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 6: They have extreme high land requirements and that of course 534 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 6: increases property taxes. They have load balancing costs for their 535 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 6: intermittency because they're at least efficient energy sources, and all 536 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 6: of those, once they're factored in to the generation costs, 537 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 6: actually make them more expensive than any other technology, any 538 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 6: fossil field technology, any more expensive than even nuclear power. 539 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 6: And fossil fuels have provided our way of life for 540 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 6: well over one hundred and seventy five years, and they 541 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 6: have lifted millions, probably billions of people from poverty. They 542 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 6: have the technologies that have emerged as a result of 543 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 6: us using them, has doubled the average of life expectancy 544 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 6: in every inhabited continent, including Africa, since eighteen since the 545 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 6: eighteen fifties, and it has provided for warning coordination systems 546 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 6: that alert us when extreme weather events are coming. If 547 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 6: we didn't have fossil fuels power in the grid, we 548 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 6: wouldn't have the Wi Fi connections to connect us to 549 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 6: the internet to stay in touch with the National Weather 550 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 6: Service alerts when a hurricane farm is bailing up the 551 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 6: coast and so on, and winds simply cannot pick up 552 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 6: the demand to meet it, cannot sail cannot fill that 553 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 6: gap to meet the demand if we were to take 554 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 6: fossil fuels off one Now, solar power does have a future. 555 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 6: People put it on our roofs in their houses, and 556 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 6: people put it and it should be put on like 557 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 6: the roofs are put on canopies that covered parking lots 558 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 6: for shade protection, to generate electricity, but to destroy tens 559 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 6: of thousands of acres of land wilderness in the ecosystems. 560 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 6: Farmers by diversity, which of course is the difference from 561 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 6: different plants and animals that live in are in an area, 562 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 6: in an ecosystem and a habitat that's not that's counterproductive 563 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 6: to progress on both the environment and of course our 564 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 6: state of welfare. If we really really want to reduce 565 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 6: our dependence on fossil fuels, and of course we're still 566 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 6: going to need oil for as long as you know, 567 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 6: in control of combustion engines remain profitable because a lot 568 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 6: of people are still going to refuse to buy electric 569 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 6: cars because they cannot get them to go, you know, 570 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 6: nine hundred miles in the winter time on along road 571 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 6: trips it as a family. 572 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: But we're still good. 573 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 6: But if you want to really reduce our dependence on 574 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 6: say coal and natural gas, and the natural gas is 575 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 6: largely replaced coal in many parts of the world, especially 576 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 6: that the United States, we should be turned into nuclear 577 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 6: power and nuclear fission because it is a is the 578 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 6: most carbon free energy source, that's the safest energy source 579 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 6: on the desk of carolt hour basis, only behind solar