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Speaker 1: It is our number two and we have breaking news.

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Speaker 1: It's just incredible. So the Minnesota Vikings had Sam Darnald

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Speaker 1: in the building and they let him go after drafting

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy and John Snyder. To me, the sharpest GM

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, I mean, as good as anybody in personnel,

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Speaker 1: went and grabbed Sam Darnald. We told you on this show.

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Speaker 1: That is a major upgrade over Geno Smith. Everybody I

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Speaker 1: talked to, every coach I talked to in the league

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Speaker 1: said more athletic. Sam Donald can play. He's finally gotten

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Speaker 1: good coaching. This is great for Seattle. They were good

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Speaker 1: with Gino. They're going to be exceptional. That's why I

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Speaker 1: picked him as my surprise playoff team. I love Sam.

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Speaker 1: The people who I respect love Sam. A couple calls

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Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, this is gonna work in Seattle big.

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Speaker 1: So the Vikings who let him go, just fired their

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Speaker 1: general manager. According to Diana Russini, Adam Schefter added this,

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Speaker 1: throughout the season, there was underlying tension in the Vikings building.

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Speaker 1: It was ugly, and you know, you let somebody walk

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Speaker 1: like this, You let Sam Donald walk, who since I've

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Speaker 1: said it, he got Benston Carolina and then he got

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Speaker 1: to start again first time in his pro career.

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Speaker 3: He was bingched.

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Speaker 1: And when he was given that Minnesota, that Carolina job,

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Speaker 1: it was no late November of twenty twenty two. From

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Speaker 1: that moment on, he went forward and two there, one

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Speaker 1: to oh in San Francisco, fourteen wins in Minnesota Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl this year. He has the highest winning percentage in

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Speaker 1: the league. And they let him walk, and they didn't

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Speaker 1: have to pay him a fortune. I mean, Seattle's paying

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Speaker 1: him a very very team friendly deal. But Sam's like, now,

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Speaker 1: you drafted JJ McCarthy, who I was not a fan

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Speaker 1: of that pick. I kept reading everybody loves JJ's a winner.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Donald's better. So anyway, they fired him, and

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. John Snyder was talking last night. I was

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Speaker 1: a great quote about John Snyder. There was a report

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Speaker 1: again by Schefter that over the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: that Donald's been getting these pain killing injections before the

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Speaker 1: games so he can play. He's not practicing, and here's

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Speaker 1: John Snyder talking about that.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't flashed.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: It was kind of like like I think we were

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Speaker 5: all more panicked what was going on, and he was

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Speaker 5: He's kind of like looking at us like we had

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Speaker 5: three heads, like we like, what's ever so worried about?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So well he's like, I'll be good.

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Speaker 5: So I haven't seen a lot of quarterbacks like not

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Speaker 5: throw a ball and then go out and play like that, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, and we've been blessed to be around some pretty

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Speaker 6: damn good ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't practice and he played his best game

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Speaker 1: as a pro. So I made a couple of calls

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Speaker 1: last night to let's just say, some Hollywood insiders. And

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about a story about an

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Speaker 1: American hero and now that Donald's made Michael Jordan's flu

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Speaker 1: game look like the sniffles, I am told there's a

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Speaker 1: bidding war. Casting directors are already working on it. One

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Speaker 1: of the movies they're throwing around will be called Mission

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Speaker 1: Very Possible, starring Sam Darnold. Oh that's not the only one.

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Speaker 1: I hold last night. They're working on another movie, The Salminator. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Darnald Schwarzenegger. Oh it doesn't stop there, Sammy Rocky Sammy, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: same steps. Just in the Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 3: The Lord of the Ring.

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Speaker 1: People in Hollywood, are you know Hollywood, they say, is dying.

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Speaker 1: Thank God for Sam Darnold saving it. And with that

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Speaker 1: Eric Mangini.

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Speaker 3: Ghostbuster, who are you gonna call?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Eric Mangini is joining us live and that's this

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Speaker 1: tom foolery.

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Speaker 7: You may be a little early on those colonies, may

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Speaker 7: be a little early.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe six or seven days early on that. Let

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Speaker 1: me start with this, I'll even start with let's just

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Speaker 1: start with Darth. So the m of the Viking just

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Speaker 1: got whacked. And so in my take is there was

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Speaker 1: tension in the building. I think there was some JJ

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Speaker 1: do you think that was part of the tension over

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was definitely part of the tension. They could

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Speaker 7: have kept him for twenty five million dollars. They didn't

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Speaker 7: know how JJ McCarthy was going to a play because

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Speaker 7: he didn't really play, and how he's going to play

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Speaker 7: coming back from an injury. So for twenty five million

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Speaker 6: Typically would do it.

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Speaker 7: But I feel like they felt in the building if

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Speaker 7: he was there, then that would slow down McCarthy's development.

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Speaker 7: It would put an impediment to it. But in retrospects,

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Speaker 7: you know, it probably was. It definitely was the issue

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Speaker 7: and why he got fired. Now, I'd say the way

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Speaker 7: that the season finished in Minnesota allowed him to make

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Speaker 7: that argument. Losing the game to secure the number one seed,

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Speaker 7: then losing the playoffs like they did, then it was Okay,

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Speaker 7: he's great in the regular season, but can he really

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Speaker 7: bring us to a super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And then he plays his best game as a pro

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Speaker 1: and beats the Rams and you're reminded your offense struggled.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that probably made the owner pretty angry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I want to talk about the Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick snubs. So I would have voted him in. I

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Speaker 1: have direct knowledge of this. If you have multiple gates

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Speaker 1: on your resume and you've lost first round picks and

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Speaker 1: been fined. The NFL does not like to take away

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Speaker 1: week and Roger Goodell has to address the media and

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Speaker 1: they're asking about Spygate for a week because that's the

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Speaker 1: most coveted week of the year in the sport. It's

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Speaker 1: you know, so like I get people that were ticked

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Speaker 1: most voters probably voted for him, and there's probably you know,

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Speaker 1: would have gotten in. But what did you make it

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Speaker 1: a snub? Let's start that, you know.

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Speaker 7: Bill, Yeah, I thought it was pretty ridiculous. There may

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Speaker 7: have been multiple gates, but we're talking about three super

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Speaker 7: Bowls after that, and what.

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Speaker 6: Did he go to? Six after that?

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Speaker 7: And he's got a total of six, he's got two

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Speaker 7: as a as a coordinator. And you could say, Okay,

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Speaker 7: it's all Tom Brady.

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Speaker 6: That's not true. Look at Tom Brady early in his career.

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Speaker 7: Tom wasn't a guy at the end of his career

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Speaker 7: that he was at the beginning of his career. We

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Speaker 7: scored two offensive or three offensive touchdowns that first Super

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Speaker 7: Bowl run, and one of them was from Drew Bledsoe.

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Speaker 6: So to say it's you.

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Speaker 7: Know, all Tom, A lot of great coaches have had

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Speaker 7: great quarterbacks and not had that level of success. Now, look,

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Speaker 7: I've had my challenges with Bill, A lot of people have.

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Speaker 7: He's not missed a personality. The stuff that at Carolina

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Speaker 7: I don't think has helped him, and the end the

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Speaker 7: way it ended New England didn't help him. But to

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Speaker 7: look at his body of work versus other coaches and

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Speaker 7: not say he's a first ballot Hall of Famer, that's

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Speaker 7: that's it's just not realistic, and it's it's because you

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Speaker 7: have some other issue with him that you want to

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Speaker 7: play out, not based off of whether or not his

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Speaker 7: accomplishments merit a first ballot Hall of Fame, which they

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Speaker 1: You know, the league the argument is, I mean the

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Speaker 1: league for seven years warned him. You know, they warned

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Speaker 1: him for years and year. You know this, they warned

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Speaker 1: him for years years year. I think at one point

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Speaker 1: you've told a story where you called him and said

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Speaker 1: you know, stop stop taping, stop doing that. Could I

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Speaker 1: make an argument if you would have been warned and stopped,

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's like telling your kid don't do this,

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Speaker 1: you get angry as a parent. Is is there an

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Speaker 3: By the way, there was.

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Speaker 1: A Spygate two, there was a second spygate where there

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Speaker 1: was another third round pick. Is it maybe we're not

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Speaker 1: talking about spygate too, because the flight gate, which I

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Speaker 1: what about the argument if you keep warning somebody about

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Speaker 1: something and they don't listen, that's when you get into trouble.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand that, But it's not like after that happened,

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Speaker 7: he didn't have success. Okay, he's still had incredible success

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Speaker 7: after that happened. So do to pigeonhole the whole body

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Speaker 7: sense because there was incredible numbers after that, whether it

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Speaker 7: comes more to people have personal issues with him. He's

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Speaker 7: not warm and fuzzy he didn't endear himself to the media.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: His whole thing was, I don't care about the media

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Speaker 7: they can't save me. So it was never a big

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Speaker 7: deal for him. His things like so what you know

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Speaker 7: and that that doesn't resonate with a lot of people.

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Speaker 6: And the voters are our media.

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Speaker 1: Members, Listen. I I like Sean Payton. Sometimes he leads

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Speaker 1: with his chin. And I've also said, you have to

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Speaker 1: be comfortable with conflict if you're a head coach, a

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Speaker 1: head coach quarterback relationships like a marriage. You're in trouble

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Speaker 1: when you stop talking.

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Speaker 3: I've seen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's when you're in trouble. If you don't

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Speaker 1: have disagreement, you're in a lifeless marriage, lifeless relationship. I

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Speaker 1: argue with buddies, I argue with friend That's the reality

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Speaker 1: of relationships. But bo Nicks called out Sean Payton for

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Speaker 1: whole thing?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't understand, and I agree with you, Colin.

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Speaker 7: You do have to be willing to have conflict, but

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Speaker 7: you want the conflict to be constructive conflict, and you

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Speaker 7: want to be you want to disagree without being disagreeable ideally,

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Speaker 7: and to call out bone Nicks and the share or

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Speaker 7: the personal information, what did it really gain?

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Speaker 6: Like what was what was the upside of doing that?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 7: And I understand why bon Nicks then turned around and said, hey,

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Speaker 7: that that's not the case and wanted to state his case.

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Speaker 7: And when you look at the end of the season

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Speaker 7: for Denver, does any of that make sense to you?

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Speaker 7: I mean, Sean called the offensive plays but then fired

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Speaker 7: the offensive coordinator. Sewan decided not to kick a field

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Speaker 7: goal and go for it on fourth and one, the

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Speaker 7: difference of a field goal, and he fired the offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 7: And so maybe he's looking for new ideas.

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Speaker 6: There are other coaches that were fired too.

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Speaker 3: Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Mike McCarthy, new Steelers coach, we've talked

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Speaker 1: about him today. He was on Pittsburgh Radio this morning

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Speaker 3: Here's Mike.

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Speaker 5: This is normal for him this time of year, and

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Speaker 5: this has been my experience with Aaron and something that

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Speaker 5: always encouraged him to do. It's important for really all

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Speaker 5: these guys to get away. You know, the Super Bowl

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Speaker 5: emostly for all of us is when the page truly

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Speaker 5: just going through his process and you know, evaluating, you

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Speaker 3: I hope he's coming back.

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Speaker 1: And I said this earlier that Mike McCarthy has a

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Speaker 1: from time to time, and the staff said, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: So you put up McCarthy's eighteen seasons, sixty one percent

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Speaker 1: is slightly better, slightly worse toe to toe with this coach.

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Speaker 1: Who would that coach be, all right, Mike Tomlin. So

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Speaker 1: when he got hired, my take was, Mike is the

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Speaker 1: offensive version of Mike Tomlin. You're not going to get

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Speaker 1: a bad team. You know, it may not be an

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Speaker 1: exciting hire, but Mike McCarthy, Mike Tomlin, I think the

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Speaker 1: same thing. You're gonna win a bunch of games capable

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Speaker 1: of winning any division. All right, let's do the next

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Speaker 1: lind resume. Let's see this. Okay, Mike McCarthy, this coach,

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Speaker 1: he has a higher winning percentage, more division titles, both

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Speaker 1: have a Super Bowl title. What do we got right here?

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Speaker 1: And that's Pete Carroll and Pete Carroll before the Raider firing.

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Speaker 1: People would suggest, you know, Pete may get some Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame boats. And certainly I think Mike McCarthy offensively

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Speaker 1: Dallas when Dak got hurt, they won games. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's do another one. We've got a couple here. This

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Speaker 1: is the you know, Mike McCarthy's a good coach. He's

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Speaker 1: got a branding problem. Okay, this coach has a couple

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Speaker 1: more playoff wins, but not as many division titles. It's

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Speaker 1: a coin flip. Their careers are eighteen years. Throw it

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Speaker 1: out there, all right, John Harbaugh. And that's what I

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Speaker 1: said earlier. It's the same guy. One we think is

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Speaker 1: this too. With McCarthy, I'm like, he's fine, it's the

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Speaker 1: same resume.

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Speaker 3: We have one more.

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Speaker 1: Here's one more, all right, this coach again, it's amazing

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Speaker 1: how many coaches eighteen years. I haven't seen any of

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Speaker 1: these fire away same coach. Sean babe, the genius. Who's

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Speaker 1: getting batted around this week? Well, Mike McCarthy at Aaron Rodgers, well,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Drew Brees. So you know, I think

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Speaker 1: I think Mike in Pittsburgh getting people like not every

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Speaker 1: movie's Goodfellas sometimes, you know, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon

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Speaker 1: made the movie for Netflix Rip.

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Speaker 3: I watched it this past week. It's fine, it's entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Not everything is the Irishman or Goodfellas, you know, and

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Speaker 1: not every coach is Sean McVay. So if you can't

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Speaker 1: get Sean McVay, it's like, you know, Mike McCarthy, and

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Speaker 1: he's from there. He's comfortable. They're comfortable. Live in Chicago.

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Speaker 6: It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 4: Two of the best in the country tip it off

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Speaker 4: on Fox Friday. Hoops yachtsa lender Board leeds third rank

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Speaker 4: Michigan as they continue their fight for the top spot

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Speaker 9: That's a banger of a game. Colin, Yeah, I bet Sparty.

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Speaker 3: How about Cooper Flag last night?

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag just turned nineteen, He's not twenty.

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Speaker 3: I think until like next December.

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Speaker 9: He's the best teenager in NBA history. It's okay to

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Speaker 9: say it.

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Speaker 1: Like by fine, I mean Luca when Luca came into

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Speaker 1: the league. I think, by the way, Cooper Flag is

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Speaker 1: a much better defender than Luca. That's not like a stretch.

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Speaker 1: I've said this. Everybody loves Luca. I think he's great.

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Speaker 1: Knock me for it. But I read an article this

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Speaker 1: week where people are saying he's not in as good

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Speaker 1: as shape as he was when he came to camp.

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Speaker 1: Is that Luca is one of the few players that

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Speaker 1: plays himself.

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Speaker 3: Out of shape? Wow?

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Speaker 9: Is that possible?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean diet and you know how he lives.

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Speaker 1: But you know, very few guys are like d Wade Lebron.

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Speaker 1: They're an impeccable shape. I always said Luca's a better

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Speaker 1: version of Carmelo, not really interested in defense, honestly, not

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Speaker 1: really ever in great shape, but maybe for a decade

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Speaker 1: one of the great get a bucket guys. He's a

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Speaker 1: better version of Carmelo, and Carmelo was obvious in Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer. But I mean, if I said, not in

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Speaker 1: the best shape, get a bucket for a decade, going

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Speaker 1: to be a top ten all time score, unbelievable offensive talent,

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Speaker 1: not doesn't care much about the other end of the floor.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of an equivalency. I mean, there's there's some similarity.

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Speaker 1: I think Luke is obviously, I think his offensive bag

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Speaker 1: is but Cooper Cooper flag is an early, a young

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty nine points. And again, I remember Lebron's first year.

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Speaker 1: Lebron was physically a different He was different than everybody.

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Speaker 1: I remember it well.

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Speaker 3: Is that.

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Speaker 1: I mean Lebron's first game was in Sacramento. People were

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Speaker 1: all excited for it. Lebron was sensational, but early in

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Speaker 3: Jmack with the.

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Speaker 6: News, No, no.

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Speaker 2: No, this is the headline news.

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Speaker 4: All right, listen, there's not a lot of breaking news

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Speaker 4: this week, but this one a huge Colin.

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Speaker 9: This just went down within the last hour.

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Speaker 4: The Minnesota Vikings have fired their GM Quacy Adolfo mensa

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Speaker 4: pretty shocking development. He's in the GM there for four seasons,

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Speaker 4: Vikings have had a good record forty three and twenty five.

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Speaker 4: But obviously there is the report, you know, not the

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Speaker 4: report really that Sam Darnold crushed it with the Seahawks

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Speaker 4: and has gotten to the Super Bowl, and of course

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Speaker 4: the Vikings cut him loose.

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Speaker 9: Now, this is how wacky this story is.

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Speaker 5: Colin.

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Speaker 4: The Vikings sent Caracy to the Senior Bowl to scout.

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Speaker 4: He was down in Mobile with Albert Breer and all

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Speaker 4: those guys this week, and they all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: fired him. Now, he did give a presser this week

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Speaker 4: where he talked about sleepless nights with Donald's success, and

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Speaker 4: I wonder if that contributed to it. Now, we've got

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Speaker 4: a lot of reporters coming out of the woodwork say

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Speaker 4: well there was befall season. Smiss me with that nonsense. Okay,

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Speaker 4: these reporters do TV radio, they're on social media. Nobody

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Speaker 4: has had a whiff of this all season. And to

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Speaker 4: come out and say, well this has been coming, No

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Speaker 4: it hasn't. Okay, now I will in defense of the Vikings,

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Speaker 4: I did look up his recent drafts and Quacy has

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Speaker 4: not had many home runs in the last few years.

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Speaker 4: This past draft was a total disaster. They basically added

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Speaker 4: no value anywhere. The JJ McCarthy pick. You scrutinize it heavily.

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Speaker 4: Jordan Addison has been good, but he's been getting some

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Speaker 4: trouble off the field. It hasn't been a great draft.

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Speaker 4: But Colin, I think this guy's going to be in

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Speaker 4: high demand. He's a very sharp, analytically driven GM. He's

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Speaker 4: not going to be out of work along in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: So he leaves the building and gets whacked.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, are you of some thought that there's a conspiracy

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Speaker 4: theory with him and Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Sean McDermott got in big trouble for

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Speaker 1: going to his owner in GM and saying, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we have a super Bowl window. But McDermott

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the power of Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell may

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Speaker 1: have gone to the owner and said we don't have

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Speaker 1: enough good players. I mean again, when the coach has power,

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Speaker 1: they win over GM. I'm not saying this happen. I'm

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Speaker 1: saying Sean McDermott got in trouble. But Sean McDermott needed

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Speaker 1: to get to a Super Bowl and there have been

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, myself included, who said that he

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Speaker 1: better get there. Kevin O'Connell's thought a very highly. Here's

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Speaker 1: the utter thing is that this general manager may have

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Speaker 1: pounded the table for JJ McCarthy. I didn't get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say. I said before the draft.

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Speaker 1: I liked Poone Nicks, I like Caleb, I like drag May,

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Speaker 1: I like Jayden Daniels, I like Pennix. I said, I

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Speaker 1: like all of them. I wouldn't draft. I was not

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Speaker 1: a JJ McCarthy fan. I mean, here's the thing. The

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Speaker 1: Vikings had Donald. They also had at some point Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: who played very well when he was healthy.

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Speaker 9: This year, well again, let's pump the bird. So Daniel

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Speaker 9: Jones had half a.

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Speaker 4: Good season, then started to come back down to earth,

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Speaker 4: then popped his achilles. Okay, And just to be real

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Speaker 4: on Sam Donald and not defend the Vikings, I'm not

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Speaker 4: a Vikings fan. Let's be real. Donald had one good season, Colin,

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Speaker 4: that was it. He had one really really strong season,

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Speaker 4: and like, I'm not surprised they moved off of him,

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Speaker 4: like he ended the season horribly.

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Speaker 9: He was very good.

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Speaker 4: But it's like we're not judging guys on one season, now,

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Speaker 4: are we Well.

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Speaker 1: I would get that if JJ McCarthy Yeah, I mean again,

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Speaker 1: they must have felt very strongly about JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: You know somebody loved him besides Jim Harbaugh. You know

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Speaker 9: somebody in Minnesota really liked him. And now he's got

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Speaker 9: to deliver it.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I know we both love Kevin O'Connell, and a

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Speaker 4: couple of people here at Fox know him well. Zero

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Speaker 4: career playoff wins, same number as you and I. Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's move on to the next story, and that's Joe

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Speaker 4: Brady in Buffalo.

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Speaker 9: We're gonna talk about him well one last time.

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Speaker 4: Joe Brady obviously big, big pressure this year as the

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Speaker 4: Bills coach. Obviously he's got the MVP quarterback in Josh Allen.

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Speaker 4: Brady talked about his approach at his introductory press conference.

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Speaker 11: I didn't take this job to shy away from expectations.

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Speaker 11: I sure as hell did not do that. I'm embracing it.

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Speaker 11: I'm understanding it, and I'm meeting it full on. I

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Speaker 11: know what I simmed up for, and we're gonna embrace it.

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Speaker 11: Because no one rises to low expectations. I want what

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Speaker 11: the city wants. I want what mister Poula deserves.

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Speaker 9: Who wrote that chat?

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Speaker 4: GBT, Well, I mean, come on, the guy's crying during it.

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Speaker 9: I know I'm out on the I don't know. Sorry,

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Speaker 9: I'm a Jets fan. Come, I gotta find some humor

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Speaker 9: in this. Listen.

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Speaker 4: This is the most we've ever talked about Joe Brady

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Speaker 4: in the last you know how many.

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Speaker 9: Years we've been doing this together.

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Speaker 6: Three?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Joe Brady better go get some wins

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Speaker 4: and news flash, yes, we are going to be talking

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Speaker 4: about him in headlines in the final hour.

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Speaker 9: Well, that's called a tease in the industry.

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Speaker 4: Big guy, final story. Let's go to the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 4: and they're splashy. Hire Jesse Minter coming from out here

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Speaker 4: as the Chargers DC. He will now have quarterback Lamar

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Speaker 4: Jackson at his disposal. When talking about Lamar this week,

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Speaker 4: Minter did not hold back praise for his quarterback.

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Speaker 10: Lamar and I've had multiple conversations. It's been great. It's

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Speaker 10: been great to get to know him. I think relationships

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Speaker 10: take time. I just look forward to connecting with him,

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Speaker 10: helping him become the best version of himself, creating a

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Speaker 10: team identity that allows him to thrive, which he's already

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Speaker 10: you know, proven to be an elite elite one of

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Speaker 10: the best player in the National Football League, and put

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Speaker 10: a team around him that allows him to reach out

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Speaker 10: ultimate goal of bringing a Super Bowl back to Baltimore.

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Speaker 9: Maybe it's me, but just the difference in appearance.

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Speaker 4: Mintor's got the side part that ties not really snug

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Speaker 4: up against the neck.

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Speaker 9: He just looks like somebody I want to talk to

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Speaker 9: and listen to. I'm not bashing Brady.

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Speaker 4: But he had like a haircut I had when I

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Speaker 4: was like twenty two years old.

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Speaker 9: You know, Mintor.

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Speaker 4: Looks like he just looks like he's got his act together.

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Speaker 4: I'm rooting for him, not that I'm against Brady and

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Speaker 4: now I'm going over the overboard.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting. You know, you've got Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: Lamar in these Super Bowl windows. I mean, we thought,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you did. We didn't work together

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Speaker 1: at a time. A lot of people thought that the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks window with Russell Wilson and that stacked roster, we

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Speaker 1: thought that was like a seven year window and it

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Speaker 1: closed after like three. You're like, they're great Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: another boom. You know, it's you got drama in the

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Speaker 1: locker Philadelphia this year, We're like this team, this locker

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Speaker 1: room is stacked all of a sudden wrong oc and

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia had literally had halves but they didn't complete a

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Speaker 1: forward pass. So I mean Baltimore now that the story

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Speaker 1: about Jesse mentor the cap hit for Lamar. Lamar wants

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Speaker 1: to be the highest paid quarterback in the league. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's not the best quarterback in the league, so that

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Speaker 1: is going to limit the roster. John Harbaugh got Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson on a rookie contract, and he struggled to get

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Speaker 1: him to a Super Bowl. He struggled to get him

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Speaker 1: to play well in the postseason. So Jesse now is

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Speaker 1: going to have a massive cap hit with Lamar Jackson. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's just limitations on what you can do in free agency.

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Speaker 1: I mean, part of the New England story this year,

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Speaker 1: in the Denver story, you know, is you can go

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Speaker 1: you can go buy players. I mean when Stafford signed

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Speaker 1: a team friendly deal for the Rams, they went and

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Speaker 1: got Nate Landman and Davonte Adams and those kind of players.

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Speaker 1: So I think that Baltimore job, it's a gold standard job.

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Speaker 1: But when your cap hit is twenty eight percent or

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Speaker 1: something like that, whatever it is, think about that over

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Speaker 1: a quarter of your roster, you're paying one guy and

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Speaker 1: you got fifty four other dudes.

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Speaker 4: Just hard to win, Colin, you can only take one.

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Speaker 4: Which of these teams is making them playoffs next year?

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Speaker 4: Bill's Ravens or Chiefs. It's not easy. Member of mahomes

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Speaker 4: conservatively out at least two games.

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Speaker 1: May Bills probably, Bills probably, But again, his cap hit

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Speaker 1: goes up twenty million. Josh Allen's cap hit, I don't

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Speaker 1: remember the exact numbers. I think it's like thirty six

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Speaker 1: to fifty six or something. It goes up. So that's

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Speaker 1: just a huge advantage for bo Nix and Drake May.

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Speaker 1: And you look at the NFC right now. Look at

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Speaker 1: what the Chicago Bears did with their roster when Ben

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Speaker 1: got Joe Tooney, maybe the best o lineman in the sport,

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Speaker 1: Drew Dolman, great center. I mean, I mean they went

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Speaker 1: and got they drafted well, so they hit on draft picks.

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Speaker 1: They totally changed their offensive line. They hit on the

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Speaker 1: right tackle. Was that the year before that right tackle

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Speaker 1: becomes really elite and all of a sudden you look

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Speaker 1: up and you're like, man, Chicago's Chicago's got dudes.

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Speaker 9: By the way, CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud in Houston, still on the rookie deal, has a

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Speaker 4: lot of guys. That's a dangerous team Houston next year

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Speaker 4: in the AFC J.

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Speaker 2: Mack with a news, Well, that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 2: for stopping by the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: I was looking this morning at the NFL standings and

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Speaker 1: the changes I would make because I have no life

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Speaker 1: to my next year predictions that I was just jotting

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Speaker 1: it down. And you know, it's like the job Giants

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Speaker 1: and Tennessee are the two teams. I said, oh, those

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Speaker 1: those gonna be playoff teams because it's on average it's

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Speaker 1: four and so I thought, okay, New York Giants are

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Speaker 1: going to make the playoffs. I think Tennessee is going

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Speaker 1: to be really, really interesting. But it's hard because if

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Speaker 1: you have a really good coach, I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: go look at the fourteen teams that got in this year,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of good coaches and either a lot

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Speaker 1: of really good quarterbacks or really capable quarterbacks on rookie deals. Well,

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Speaker 1: Drake still on a rookie deal, Bow still on a

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Speaker 1: rookie deal, Caleb Still on a rookie deal, c J. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: Like it's we talked about this. If you go to

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Speaker 1: the final four playoff teams, not a single team had

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Speaker 1: a quarterback with a top fifteen cap hit, Like there

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Speaker 1: is I mean, what is bo Nix's cap hit? Like

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Speaker 1: three four five percent of the roster? You can just

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Speaker 1: I mean lower than that, like Drake Mays is like tiny, well,

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Speaker 1: just let you go spind All. You can just go

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Speaker 1: buy good players. So I mean it's bow Knicks here,

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Speaker 1: it is bo Nicks in Denver. So so next year

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson could potentially be twenty six twenty seven percent

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Speaker 1: of the cap. One player bo Knicks next season is

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Speaker 1: one point five percent of the Denver Bronco cap. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's why he's feisty. I mean he's that that's free,

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Speaker 1: that's a free player, and he was a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: That's a free player at the most important position who's

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Speaker 1: great in the fourth quarter and super productive. So when

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Speaker 1: I say I don't think Lamar Jackson's going to make

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl against don't knock on the Ravens. I

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Speaker 1: think I think Josh Allen probably makes a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: but I don't think he'd win it right now that

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Speaker 1: the top jams in the league, and there's good ones

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Speaker 1: in the AFC, a lot of them are in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: So Lamar's cap hit next season as of today is

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Speaker 1: fifth dean times higher than Box next year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you tell me what are the roster is

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Speaker 3: going to look like? That's that's I.

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Speaker 1: Mean when you look at Seattle's roster, I like Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold and they don't have any holes, and they they're

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Speaker 1: missing a really good number two running back in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They don't have a lot of holes, not

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Speaker 1: a lot of places to attack.

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Speaker 3: Our number three. On a Friday, it's thirt