1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing and we are going to break 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: down the film from the Ravens twenty eight to twenty 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: five win in Dallas. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: I was there. It was awesome. 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: By the way, you really missed out on this trip 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: in the travel draft. That was a big l for you. 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: The Ravens won this weekend. You took a big old 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: l on not being in Dallas. 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 3: No, it's it's a cool stadium. I've been there a 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: few times. Longtime listeners of Lounge will remember the Lamar 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 3: Jackson draft story I've that I've shared before. 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Jackson Oh oh yeah, yeah, of course missed draft exactly. 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's an awesome place and it was a 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: big win. So you got to enjoy that one. Happy 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: playing right back. 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it was very fun. 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a deep dive into what went right, 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: what went wrong for the Ravens. You know, obviously, the 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: funny thing was that it kind of reminded me emotionally 21 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: of the Ravens Super Bowl win. 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: No, obviously that's. 23 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: The stuff cheese, right, that's the Super Bowl, right. But 24 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: like the ride of emotions right, You're you're winning big. 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: You're like, oh man, we are stomping right, Okay, the 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: game flow felt the game flow exactly, not the final emotions. Right, 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: This wasn't the Super Bowl. I'm just saying, like the 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: ride of emotions was kind of similar in that you're 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: just like, man, here we go, like we found it. 30 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: We are just stomping them, and then they charge all 31 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: the way back. And when you win at the end, 32 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: it felt more like relief than jubilation almost, you know. 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: That's always what I tell people about the Super Bowl 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: was like the enjoyment of being like we're the champions 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: was kind of wiped out by like, oh my god, 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: thank god that didn't go the wrong way, you know. 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: And but with that said, I saw a headline shortly 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: after the game ended that said, the Ravens win that 39 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: felt more like a loss or kind of like a loss, 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: something like that. 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: And I couldn't disagree more with that headline. That's just 42 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: that felt nothing like a loss. A loss in Dallas. 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: Would have felt completely different from that, right, I get 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: the sentiment, yeah, right, but like, no, I no parts 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: of that are true. 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: That did not feel like a loss. 47 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it felt basically like a 48 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: I did not feel like a loss. I think that 49 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: when you heard from players out of the game, there 50 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: was definitely a sense of that was way closer than 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: it should have been. It never should have gotten to 52 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: this point, for sure, And so it does rain on 53 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: the parade a little bit, like with the. 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: Flip side of like if you blow a huge leure, 55 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: even bigger than the one against Vegas, the sky would 56 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: have been falling in Baltimore. 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: It's a different it's a much different conversation if you 58 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: had lost that game. But for sure, you know, I 59 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: think for me, like my takeaway from this game that 60 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: I come out of it with is like going into it. 61 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: There were so many questions about like offensive identity and 62 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: what do you want to be offensively and figuring out 63 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 3: the mix with Derrick Henry and getting the offensive line 64 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 3: straightened out, like that was all the talking point. And 65 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: after the game, when the Ravens were absolutely dominant on 66 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: the ground, they put up two hundred and seventy four 67 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 3: yards on the ground, Derreck Henry had one hundred and 68 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: fifty one of them got a game ball. John Harbo 69 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: basically said, like that's the identity there. It is like 70 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 3: we saw it, and Lamar Jackson was really effective, both 71 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: incredibly efficient in the passing game and also really effective 72 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: as a running back spread the ball around. So like 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: a lot of guys, different guys got in on the action. 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: But the ground game was the driver of this offense, 75 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: and so this can be the identity moving forward. Now 76 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: they're not going to have two hundred and seventy four 77 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: yards on the ground every week, but can this model 78 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: this approach of a lot of Derrick Henry Lamar running 79 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: as well, both from a cold standpoint and a lot 80 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: of cold runs for Lamar. Is this what we expect 81 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: to see for this offense as we play it forward? 82 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: I think a version of this is what we should 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: expect and hopefully right the offensive line needs to keep 84 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: run blocking like it did against Dallas. Now, Dallas's defensive 85 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: line is not particularly strong. That is not the strong 86 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: suit of their team, right, and so it remains to 87 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: be seen when you go against the better defensive line, 88 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: can the Ravens still have as much success upfront and 89 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: paving the way The Ravens took advantage of Dallas's weakness. 90 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: That's just what it was in this game. It was 91 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: a Dereck Henry game. Yeah, we're gonna ground and pound you. 92 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: So while I do think the Ravens found a little 93 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: bit more of their identity with like a game that's 94 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: more featured around Derrick Henry, it's not gonna be like 95 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: this every week. John Harball and his Money press conference 96 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: also said, you know, so far, it's been they've leaned 97 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: on a different aspect of their offense each week, right, 98 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: And that's that's their identity is being multiple, is being 99 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: versatile and like the pick your poison identity that Mark Andrews, 100 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: friend of the Lounge, talked about here on this set. Yeah, 101 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: that's so the whole identity thing kind of like I 102 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: said last week, I don't know that I really buy 103 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: into that. And when Todd Munkin talked on Thursday, he 104 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: even said, like, like, what's their identity? 105 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: We want to be multiple, right, and even John Harball 107 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: also talked about that, like at its core, yes, you 108 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: want this physicality. We're gonna smash you in the mouth, 109 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna be physical. That at its core is Baltimore's 110 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: identity and that's what we saw in Dallas. And so 111 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: I think that's what Harve's is referring to. Yeah, but 112 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: moving forward, do I think, like I want to see 113 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: them be able to run the ball when they want 114 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: to run the ball, right, and like this was a 115 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: good step in that direction. Hopefully we'll see when they 116 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: face better defenses. But like, do I think that Derrick 117 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Henry's gonna do this every week? 118 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 2: No? I don't. 119 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: Like they might lean on back on day like they 120 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: did in week two, Right, they might lean on the 121 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: tight ends like they did in Week one against the Chiefs. Right, 122 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: Like they're gonna lean in different directions based on their opponents' weakness. 123 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I mean the Ravens have also kind 124 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: of made Like Derek Cannery had twenty five carries. No, 125 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: part of that was in the second half when they 126 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: had that big lead. They were trying to run clock 127 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: and just keep running him and he was having success 128 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: up until the fourth quarter, and so that was part 129 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: of the reason that he got such a large number 130 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: of carries. I think that, I mean, that could end 131 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: up being a season high for him, twenty five. You know, 132 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: I also think. 133 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: I doubt that it will be a season high, but 134 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: I but it will be among It'll be among those. 135 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's gonna be close and sure, and 136 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: John Harwall said, like we didn't bring Derek Canrack here 137 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: to give in the ball thirty times again for sure, 138 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: So like that's it's not his stat lines aren't going 139 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: to look like from a carry volume standpoint, a lot 140 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: like they did in Tennessee for much of his career. 141 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: And the other part, I would say from an identity standpoint, 142 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: there's two other points that stand out to me. One 143 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: is I don't think the Ravens are going to call 144 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 3: as much lamars and design runs as they did in 145 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 3: this game. And I just think that, like over, they 146 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: did a lot against Kansas City and there was a 147 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: good amount of this game. 148 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it's must I think it's situational. I 149 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: think it must win, right, they wanted to beat the 150 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: Chief bad they. 151 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: Did, and they and this was kind of a must 152 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: win too. But like it, I just don't think that 153 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: he's going to be We're going to be looking at 154 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: games where he runs the ball fourteen fifteen, twenty times 155 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: a game consistently. 156 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: Certainly that's not the formula anymore. I mean, like we 157 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: saw that last That's. 158 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: My point, Like he did this game, but I don't 159 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: think that's so, So that changes kind of the identity component. 160 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: If you're removing that from those two hundred and seventyour 161 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: rushing yards well Lamar hay eighty seven of them on 162 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: fourteen carries, I think that's going to be less. I 163 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: also think you know, as you as you going back 164 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: to this identity point is I think that you can 165 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: build off of this, and I think that that's what 166 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: you want to see from the Ravens. So if you're 167 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: having the success on the ground, okay, how do you 168 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: roll roll in more play action like that played in 169 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: Charlie Cooler. We're also Charlie Kuhler's running up the sidelines 170 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: on touch for a thirty game Like that's great, Like 171 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: that's that play works because of all the attention that 172 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: you get in the ground game. So I think that 173 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: like building the past game off. 174 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: Of this absolutely. 175 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's how you draw it up, right, 176 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: is you spread them out, spread them out, then bootleg 177 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: come out the other side, right, And that's we saw 178 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: a glimpse of what this offense when they when they 179 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: signed Derrick Henry. This is what they envisioned, yeah, right, 180 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: being able to he and Lamar just pounding you. You 181 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: don't know which way they're going to attack you. You're 182 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: getting to the edges, then you're bootlegging off of that, 183 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: your play action off of that. 184 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: That's how you draw it up. 185 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: And so like, I think that's really the encouraging thing 186 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: where we didn't you know, we saw some good Derrick 187 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: Henry runs there in the second half against the Raiders, 188 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: and you saw the stiff arm and get broken out 189 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but you didn't really get the 190 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: full vision of what this offense can be. And I 191 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: think that we saw that early on in Dallas especially. 192 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, so in order for that to work, you need 193 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: to have the O line play well, and the O 194 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: line had by far its best game of the season. 195 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, Cliff and I talked 196 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: about this on the podcast after the game. A lot 197 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: of love for Daniel Alele, both from Derrek Hennery and 198 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: from Lamar Jackson giving him credit. But I think that 199 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 3: I mean, as we look at the tape here, Tyler 200 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: Linnenbaum was awesome. He was this game. It was awesome, A. 201 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: Very good game. 202 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: It was his highest graded game of his three year 203 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: career from Pro Football Focus and by the way. The 204 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: guy went to the Pro Bowl last year, so he's 205 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: had a lot of good games. Yeah right, this was 206 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: in their opinion, the best, and so, uh yeah, I 207 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: thought that that he was. He was really good getting 208 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: up to the second level helping out his guards next 209 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: to him, I thought, you know, but to me, the 210 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: biggest thing that stood out on the tape was Daniel 211 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: Foley's improved physicality. I don't know what switch flipped with 212 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: that guy, but he played much more physical. He was 213 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: he was moving people of the he just you know, 214 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: one play that that really stood out to me that 215 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: was night and day from even just the week before, 216 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: was picking up the stunt on the touchdown to Rashad 217 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: Bateman and uh, you know, the Cowboys have the looping 218 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: guy come around and uh Daniel Folet comes off his block, 219 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: picks that up with ease, gives Lamar Jackson time and 220 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: he finds Rashad Bateman wide open in the. 221 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: Back of the end zone. 222 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: Like that is just ab comparison there, and uh so 223 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: that was really good to see. Even on Derrick Henry's 224 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: one yard touchdown, you see Daniel follo Let drop that. 225 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: Drop weight. Right, He's got a lot of weight. 226 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: He dropped it and just drove his his blocker or 227 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: his defensive lineman off the line of scrimmage to really 228 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: pay the way for Derrick Henry. That's what you want 229 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: from Daniel foul Lee. He's one of those guys. And 230 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: John Harbaugh, who was he used to talk about this 231 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: with Bronson KAFFUSI remember, and he said he look at 232 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: Bronson CONFUSI practice and like, look at yourself, man standing 233 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: fro of a mirror. Look how you are, Like look 234 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: how strong you are? 235 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 2: Man use it. And that's like what you want to 236 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: say with Daniel Foule. 237 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: You're like, dude, you're freaking huge, Like just just be physical. 238 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: Like if you start being physical with all that strength 239 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: and all that size, you're gonna be tough to be 240 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: And like, that's why I think the Ravens that's why 241 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: they put him at guard and they saw had this 242 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: vision for him at guard, and I think that's why 243 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: they've stuck by him and had patience because they see 244 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: they're like, man, when this guy flips the switch and 245 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: starts playing like we think he can play and attacking 246 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: people like he can be really good, and you know 247 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: there's still a long way for Daniel foul Ley to 248 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: lay to go. You know, I don't want to sit 249 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: here and crown them after one game, because there's a 250 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of improvements he can still make. But I thought 251 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: from a mentality standpoint for him that this seemed to 252 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: be a turning point. 253 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think that when you're 254 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: having that kind of stuff, I think when you, like, 255 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 3: when you're having success on the ground for an offensive 256 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: line and you can just run downhill and like it, 257 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: that is like that's the offensive linean stream. Every offensive 258 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: lineman would prefer to be in that situation compared to 259 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 3: dropping back and trying to prevent Michael Parsons and other 260 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: talented pass rushers from coming at you fifty times game Like, 261 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: you don't want that. You want to be moving downhill. 262 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: And the Ravens were able to do that this game. 263 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 3: And so I think that like it was a combination 264 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: of maybe a mentality shift, also maybe a good matchup, 265 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: also good scheme, and like all those things combined to 266 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: have this type of a game, and and and the 267 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: other thing that's that's worth mentioning, Like the Ravens came 268 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: into this game with the potential of some different lineups 269 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 3: along that offensive line. Pat McCarey can play multiple spots, 270 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: so he's a Swiss army knife. Of course, you played 271 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: it right tackle the entire game they have Roger Rosengardner. 272 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people felt coming into the game, 273 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: We're going to see a lot more of him. Saw 274 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: none of him because this offensive line was playing so well. 275 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: The hot hand, Yeah, Ben Cleveland is still in the 276 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: mix there as well. You have Josh Shones, so like 277 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: the Raves have some other options, so they could work 278 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: in there, but they felt like this thing's working. We're 279 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: not gonna disrupt the hot hand here, right. 280 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: The talk point all last week was are we going 281 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: to see more of a rotation? And what resulted was 282 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: zero rotation. 283 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 284 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: So yeah. 285 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: One other film note for me on Daniel foul Lele 286 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: was seeing him as a as a pool pooler. 287 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: Showed me a little bit. You know. 288 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: I think there's been some criticism, especially with the stunts 289 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: of man he's not moving his feet well enough, right, 290 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: And I think that that more is a young player 291 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: still adjusting to the mental aspect of the game more 292 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: than it is necessarily a physical disadvantage. And you know, 293 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: you look at the final play of the game where 294 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: the Rave insulted it with a ten yard Lamar Jackson run, 295 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: and there's Daniel foul Leila pulling from right guard through 296 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: the hole all the way across, and he's the lead 297 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: locker for Lamar Jackson on that play. 298 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: And you know, he got not that he blew. 299 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: His guy up his target, but he he targeted the 300 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys defender and he got a piece of them enough 301 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: of them for Lamar to stretch and get that first 302 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: down ice of the game. 303 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: So that was a huge block. 304 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I thought that was encouraging to see 305 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: him moving his feet that way. 306 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: The other thing too, that you know, we kind of 307 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: joked about this on the pod last week when It Talks, 308 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: we talked about wide receivers blocking, but that was something 309 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: that was really effective both from the tight end and 310 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: receivers in this game. 311 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, that was that was my point was 312 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: if this stretch run scheme is gonna work with Derrick 313 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: Henry getting him to the edges, which we saw work 314 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: against Vegas and you know we saw work here against Cowboys. 315 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: If that's gonna work, you have to have good perimeter blocking. 316 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: And you scoffed you know, you're like, oh, I don't 317 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: want to. 318 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: Talk about perimeter blocking. 319 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: Who cares? 320 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't want my wide receivers blocking. Well, it matters, right, 321 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: because when you see a long run after catch, you 322 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: see a blockdown field, the two go hand in hand, right, 323 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Especially you got Charlie Kohler, right, Charlie Cohler is not 324 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: juke at anybody, you know. 325 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: But when he's rumbling after. 326 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: That bootleg, that was because Zay Flowers had a really 327 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: nice block down the field and it you know, it 328 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: was Zay. And I really want to put the focus 329 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: on the tight ends because I know a lot of 330 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: fantasy owners are upset that Mark Andrews had one target, yeah, 331 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: and zero catches and it was I think the third 332 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: game in his career where he hasn't had a reception. 333 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually we're going to I want to make 334 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: sure that we get to some fan questions. Yeah, and 335 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: this and this one comes to us from a first 336 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: time email our Spiro, who asked, I'm a big fan 337 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: of Lounge. My question is why does Mark Andrews? Why 338 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: did he get so few targets? And it's been a 339 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: quiet start to the season for him, So I want 340 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: to make sure that we as always you can email 341 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. 342 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: Well, mar Jackson only had fifteen passing attempts, so you're 343 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: already working with a very small sample size to begin with. Yeah, right, 344 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: and then, really, like we already said, this was the 345 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: Derek Henry game, and so where you saw the tight 346 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: end's value in this was as perimeter blockers, and Mark 347 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: Andrews was getting after it. He had multiple pancake bucks 348 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: in this game. Isaiah likely also that guy loves getting 349 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: out on the perimeter and just trying just smacking people. Yeah, 350 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: he loves it when he gets ahead of head full 351 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: of steam. You know, he's really good at hitting his target, 352 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: at getting his target, and he can just embarrass some 353 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: people out on the edges. And you saw a lot 354 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: of that with both of the Ravens tight ends. So 355 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: I understand that people are upset about the lack of targets. 356 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Isaiah likely had what one catch for four yards? Right, 357 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: So we talked all all season about the tight ends 358 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: being the focal point of this offense, and here they 359 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: have one catch for four yards that was just by 360 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: virtue of not many passing attempts period and those guys 361 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: being used as blockers. And I'll add this, Yes, Mark 362 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: andrew there's going to be a Mark Andrews game. Yeah, 363 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: there's going to be more than one Mark Andrews games. 364 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: And I'll also say this, I just traded for Mark 365 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: Andrews in fantasy and I would suggest. 366 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: That other people should do the same. He is a 367 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: prime bylo. 368 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: There's a lot of Fantasy out owners out there that 369 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: are very upset right now with zero points, zero points 370 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: from Mark Andrews. It's time to capitalize on that. My friends, 371 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: I just picked him up. 372 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean Andrews, I'm with you there. Well 373 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 3: he's gonna have some big games. And I think that 374 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 3: that's lurking. And John Harbaugh even did mention during his 375 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: press conference on Monday, it's like, you know, right now, 376 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 3: the question is like, what's up with Mark Andrews. Why 377 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: isn't he ain't getting any action, you know, no catches, 378 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 3: And he's like, there's gonna be a time later in 379 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 3: the season when you're asking like why did Derek Henery 380 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: not get as much as much of a bit, Why 381 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 3: did he have a big day? 382 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: Why does he exactly why isn't Bateman getting as many 383 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: balls to be excited. 384 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 3: There's always like somebody who's left out, which is an 385 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: example of what Mark said to us, pick your poison. 386 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: Right and the versatile identity that we just got done 387 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: talking about. And I'll note Mark Andrews on this podcast 388 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: last week said as the season goes on, you're gonna 389 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: see me make more catches, and which I was like, 390 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: oh why, like why do you feel like it's coming later? 391 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: Maybe he got the game script that week. I'm gonna 392 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: be doing so blocking. 393 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: That's what it was. 394 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: That's what I'm serious. Yeah, he might have might have 395 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: known like all right, it ain't gonna be a big 396 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: Mark andrew d Well but like, yeah, but I say 397 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: not a big Mark Andrews day. Like they had a 398 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: big impact, Like I know it's not good for fantasy owners, 399 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: like I've said, but they had a big impact on 400 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: the Raven's ability to run the ball and the screens. 401 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: You know, they hit three multi three successful screens, two 402 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: to running backs and one wide receiver kind of bubble screens. 403 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: As a Flowers tight ends are critical on that. Lamar 404 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: Jackson's first touchdown run that got the scoring started. Yeah, 405 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: who were the two lee blockers, Yes, that was likely 406 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: and Andrews. 407 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the two tight ends were the lee blockers, yep. 408 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: And so those guys had a huge impact on this game, 409 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: even though it didn't show up in the box. 410 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. I totally agree with you on that, and I 411 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: just think it's I also think that it is It 412 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: goes back to this conversation of like doing what it 413 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 3: takes to win, and that's what it took in this game. 414 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 3: And you have a veteran player like Mark Andrews. Of 415 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: course Mark wants to catch ten passes a game. Who wouldn't, 416 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 3: But he also knows that this was the recipe for 417 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: success offensively in this game, and he did his job 418 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: really well. 419 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: So absolutely. 420 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: Do you have any other final thoughts offensively? 421 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 422 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: One other for me was, you know, we talked a 423 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: lot about Mike Parson's coming into this game and how 424 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: do you neutralize him. We saw on the run a 425 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: one of one way is run, run, run, and he 426 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: did not like being the spy for Lamar Jackson when 427 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: he was put in that position. By the way, Lamar, Yeah, 428 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: I'll take Lamar ten times out of ten against anybody, 429 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: But when I saw they were going to put him 430 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: as a spy, like, sign me up because I'll take 431 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: Lamar and that battle on Lamar one. But I think 432 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: what they did from a pass protection standpoint was they 433 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: got the ball out of Lamar Jackson's hand fast. Yeah, 434 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: and it was short passes, and so Lamar Jackson's time 435 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: to throw in week one between when he got the 436 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: ball and when he threw it three point zero one 437 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: seconds in week two two point nine to two seconds 438 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: in this game two point six. So they got the 439 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: ball out of his hands fast. That certainly contributed to 440 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: why he did not get sacked the whole game, in 441 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: addition to not throwing the ball all that much, and 442 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: then it wasn't Also, they weren't attacking down the field, 443 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: so it was a career low three point two air 444 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: yards per attempt from Lamar Jackson. So a lot of 445 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: short passes, the bootleg stuff, kind of getting the ball 446 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: into quickly into the hands of his playmakers. 447 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 2: Nelly Z, Charlie Kohler. 448 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: It helps if you can throw like a two yard pass, 449 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: Charlie Kullern he takes a thirty or a one yard pass, 450 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: and Nelson Aguilarn he takes a fifty six exactly that. 451 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: I like that run after catchup that works. 452 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: And so the only pass that Lamar threw that traveled 453 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: more than ten year yards in the air was his 454 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: thirteen yard touchdown passes for Shot Bateman. 455 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: When it's wide open. 456 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: Nice route by Bateman, by the way, completely turned the 457 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: safety be safe. 458 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: He's looking the other way totally. 459 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: And so an an interesting game from Lamar Jackson. I 460 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: thought it was a really good game for him, even 461 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: though he didn't really push the ball down the field 462 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: at all throughout this contest. And so, you know what 463 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: does that lead to is are the Ravens going to 464 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: continue this? I think not. You know, they generally want 465 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: to get the ball out of his hands quickly. But 466 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: does this set them up for more shots down the 467 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: field if opponents keep stacking the box, which they did 468 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 1: against Derrick Henry by the way, they with eight plus 469 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: defenders in the box. Derrick Henry still made him seventy 470 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: percent success rate on those carries. He had ten garys 471 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: for eighty seven yards with eight men or more in 472 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: the box. Twelve missed tackles for the Cowboys, as the 473 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: second most that any any ball carrier has forced against 474 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: another team this season. So you know, as opponents when 475 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: they see Derek Henry gashing them with heavy. 476 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: Boxes, do that does that force even heavier boxes? 477 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: And does this the short passing attack open up the 478 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: Ravens down the line, maybe against the Bills. 479 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: For more shots down the field. That remains to be seen. 480 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that'll be an interesting just thing to follow. 481 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 3: Part of that also largely depends on protection, and as 482 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: we talked about, the offense line had a much better 483 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 3: day in that department. But I think that's still kind 484 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: of a work in progress there. 485 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: I think the scheme really helped the protection. 486 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think that they may lean 487 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: on that quick passing game more than of course, things 488 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 3: build off of each other. I mentioned the running game 489 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: setting up the play action passing game, so like the 490 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: things build, and that could be the case here, but 491 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: I don't know that. I think it's maybe going to 492 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 3: be more of a passing offense than a deep shot offense. 493 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: I agree with that. 494 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean, save Flowers, that's kind of his mo right, 495 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: You're going to get the ball in his hands in space. Certainly, 496 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: your tight ends generally lend itself to quicker throws. You know, 497 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: Isaiah likely is really good. He's one of the best 498 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: in the NFL. At yak, you know, get the ball 499 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: in his hands and let him go to work. So 500 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: I agree with you, But there are gonna be shots. 501 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: They are gonna bootleg off of these. You have to protect, yeah, 502 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: and take some shots that that's coming at some point, 503 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: because you know, eventually teams are gonna start defending that 504 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: kind of stuff more right, They're gonna clamp down and 505 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: play a little tighter on those quick throws. And what 506 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: does that open you up for? And so you always 507 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: have to be able to adjust. And as this offensive 508 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: line continues to grow and they get better and better 509 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: in their pass pro I think that that will be 510 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: They need to have that spear in the bag, right, 511 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: They need to be able to do that. And I 512 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: think that they're waiting for their offensive line to kind 513 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: of catch up and get its legs under it a 514 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: little bit more before they break that one out. 515 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: All right, So we're gonna take a quick break. When 516 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: we come back, we'll flip it over to the other 517 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: side of the ball and answer and also answer a 518 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 3: couple more of your questions. You're listening to the Lounge podcast, 519 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: We're coming to you from the seat Geek Studio. We 520 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 3: also want to mention our friends with Draft King Sportsbook. 521 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 3: There an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens 522 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: Draft King Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. 523 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: By the way, did you catch that I had spear 524 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: in the bag? Yeah, Like usually it's the club in 525 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: the bag. Do you carry your spears in the bag? 526 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: I was wondering, like what you were referencing there. I 527 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: think I was going for club in the bag, but 528 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: you gotta have that spear. I was really a visioning weapon. 529 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you were just a lot of mixed analogies there. 530 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: That's just my way. Yeah, that's butchering analogies. 531 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: We're heading out to the course. Here, we got we 532 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: got our driver, and then I got the spear just 533 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: in case I need it. 534 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: Picturing in like a caveman with like the you know, 535 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: the bag. 536 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: Just carrying a spears around. 537 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: Uh huh, well good, Yeah, I'm glad that you you caught. 538 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna call you out for Yeah, all right, 539 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 3: so defense, Uh, you know, it's three good quarters, one 540 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: bad one for this defense. Yep. And that's you know, 541 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 3: the whole fourth quarter kind of leaves a you know, 542 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: bad taste in your mouth. And to kind of kick 543 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: off this conversation, we have a few questions here. One 544 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: of them is from John again the emails the lounge 545 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: at Ravens dot NFL dot net, and John's question is 546 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: I think the Ravens blowing the fourth quarter leads boils 547 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: down to one word, complacency. Specifically, I think complacently complacency 548 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: effects the types of plays that are called. They seem 549 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: to be less aggressive on offense and then on defense, 550 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: our secondary plays looser. We don't put as much pressure 551 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: on the quarterback. Is this observation out of the realm 552 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: of possibility? I'm curious to get your thoughts. So just 553 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 3: to kind of set the table for this conversation around 554 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: what's happening with these blown fourth quarter leads specifically as 555 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 3: it relates to this game. What did you see from 556 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 3: the secondary as it relates to this. 557 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, so in the fourth quarter, Dak Prescott went thirteen 558 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: of thirteen for one and eighty seven passing yards and 559 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: two touchdowns. What I saw when I look back at 560 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: some of those some of his bigger plays in the 561 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, was Yeah, I did see a little bit 562 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: more lax coverage over the top, right, you don't you 563 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: certainly don't want to get beat over the top. But 564 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: where they were getting beat was in the intermediate right. 565 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: You know, Brandon Stevens a little more cushion, you know, 566 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: ourd areus a little bit more cushion over the top, 567 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: and then you had your underneath guy and Dak Prescott 568 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: wasn't getting pressured. The Ravens really did not get much 569 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: pressure in the fourth quarter at all. And so when 570 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: you give a quarterback who's as good as Dak Prescott 571 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: time to throw, like, he's going to find those windows, 572 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: and he did so that he kept consistently hitting throws, 573 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: you know, just finding that lane right right beyond the 574 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: not over top, but finding the lane past the underneath 575 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: coverage guy and before the over the top guy could 576 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: really clamp down. 577 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 3: It's basically this middle of the field area between the 578 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 3: linebacker and the safety. 579 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: That's correct. 580 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 3: And we have kind of seen that in a couple 581 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: of games now at times, like the Chiefs hit it 582 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: with Rashi Rice. Now that was typically a bit more shallow, 583 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 3: but some of that the shallow crossing stuff in the 584 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 3: middle of the field that has given the Ravens some 585 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: fits earlier this year. 586 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: Right, that's correct, And where I want to draw the 587 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: line is I think that the Ravens have the guys 588 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: to cover. Right. So you know, Dak Prescott, he had 589 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: a tight window throw what according to the next Gen 590 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: stats what they defined his tight window throw on thirty 591 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: five point three percent of his passing attempts in this game. 592 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: That's the highest rate that he's had to throw into 593 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: a tight window since twenty eighteen for him. 594 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: Right, So he made a lot. 595 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: He had a lot of. 596 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: Tough throws to make against this Ravens secondary. So I 597 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: don't want to blow this out of proportion. Yeah, they 598 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: can cover. Yes, I agree with the question that it 599 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: was a little bit more lax in the fourth quarter. 600 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: Is that something that they need to change. Well, you know, 601 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: you get burned over the top. You're also gonna fans 602 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: are not gonna be happy about that, right, and Ceedee 603 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: Lambkin is certainly capable. 604 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: So it was Brandon Cooks of beating you over the top. 605 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: So I get a little softer coverage, deep coverage, I 606 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: understand that. To me, it kind of comes back a 607 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: little bit more to pressure. And I did not see 608 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: the Ravens getting much pressure late in the fourth quarter. 609 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: Does that is that part of the reason why they 610 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: reportedly have brought in Yunique and Gacway. I think it 611 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: could be m And you know, the Ravens right now 612 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: rank fourteenth in sac rate in the NFL seven point 613 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: eight percent. They ranked twenty ninth in press sure rate 614 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: twenty six point seven percent. So and when you look 615 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: a look at the film late in that fourth quarter, 616 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: I think Eric Decassa was watching that game and saying, 617 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: we need, you know, we need some guy, a guy 618 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: with some fresh legs that can come in here and 619 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: help us get after the passer. And that might have 620 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: been why he pulled the trigger on a move that 621 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: a lot of us didn't see coming. 622 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I think that the other part of it too. 623 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: I just think it should be mentioned when it as 624 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: it relates to this game, like it became a weird 625 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: situation basically fairly quickly, Like the game felt like it 626 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: was very well in hand and then Justin Tucker missed 627 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: the forty six yard field goal, and then that would 628 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: have made it thirty one to six at that point. 629 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: Then the Cowboys come down to score, and I think 630 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 3: that like most people are still thinking to that point, like, okay, 631 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: you know late touchdown. Oh well, well then it's the 632 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: on side kick. Now the defense is right back on 633 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: the field and they march down the field again, and like, 634 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: certainly not. 635 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: An easy position for the defense to put get put 636 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: in right, You're right. 637 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: Back on the field after give up a touchdown drive, 638 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: And I think then it kind of became real. Now 639 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 3: the defense, the defense needs to get off the field 640 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 3: in that situation. 641 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: I do think that there is a bit and John 642 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: Harball alluded to this in Monday's press garments that there 643 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: is a bit of a mentality aspect to this. Huh, 644 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: just like we talked about the mentality of Daniel Foleiley. 645 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: You know, the Ravens have been down this road too 646 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: many times with their defense and in the secondary, and 647 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: when a quarterback gets hot, especially when it's talented as 648 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, you know, you start to think, oh boy, 649 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: here we go again. Like I'm kind of buying into that. 650 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 3: You know, I think that there probably is on the 651 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: you know, you know it's there. You've given up a 652 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: bunch of them. People are tweeting out, the graphic players 653 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: are hearing about it all week, Like, so it's there 654 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: and so you're thinking, oh boy, we're not going to 655 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 3: give up this lead. I think that there's like and 656 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: there's always the truth is always somewhere in the middle. Like, 657 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: I don't think it's all just mentality, tighten up, you 658 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: just got to folk, lock in and finish games. I 659 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: don't think it's all that. I also don't think that 660 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 3: like I think that that there's an element that and 661 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 3: there's also like, how does that affect the way that 662 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 3: you play the communication on the touchdown over the middle 663 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: After that onside kick, Roquan looks back in the secondary, 664 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 3: you know, at Marlin right and they're you know, I 665 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 3: don't know what was said, but it was didn't seem 666 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: like a pleasant conversation. 667 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: No, what happened on that play was the receiver kind 668 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: of ran a stop and go over the middle. It 669 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: put into question, Okay, it was Marlin's guy. Marlin was 670 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: lying up across from him to begin with. The guy 671 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: started to come over the middle and did a little 672 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: stop hesitation, and then Marlon passed. In his mind, it 673 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: seemed like passed him off to Roquan and then Marlon 674 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: ended up going outside and the receiver breaking outside was 675 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: double covered. The receiver after his little hesitation over the middle, 676 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: continued on that path right behind Roquan Smith. 677 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: And so. 678 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: Was Marlon not supposed to pass him off to Rokwan? 679 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: Was he supposed to pass him off and Rokwan didn't 680 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: realize it? Roqwon certainly seemed to think that Marlon was 681 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: supposed to stay with him. I don't know, only those 682 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: two guys know, but that's what happened on the play. 683 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, I think that like the communication 684 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: aspect has come up at times these first few games, 685 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: like or just playing the right coverages and making sure 686 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: that that all that is aligned. Is that tie into 687 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: what you were talking about the mentality piece and really being. 688 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: How I think that's just a little that's just a mistake, 689 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: that's just playing the wrong coverage or not communicating well 690 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: enough on the field. 691 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 3: So and again, it's like I think that the easy 692 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: answer a lot of times when fans watches watch these games, 693 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 3: you see him giving up a fourth quarter lead, it's like, 694 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: don't play prevent defense, don't just get complacent, you know, 695 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 3: to the to the question. But I do think I 696 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: think it's more nuanced than just like complacency in the 697 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: fourth quarter. I also, like, you know, even on the 698 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball. You know, there were some 699 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: questions about did the Ravens get too conservative with the 700 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: play calling. They just, to be honest, they didn't have 701 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 3: the ball much in the fourth quarter because oh, I know, 702 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 3: like basically there's an onside kick and they had a 703 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 3: three and out. They had one three and out where 704 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 3: I run run, and then it was a pass that 705 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 3: was incomplete and they punted the ball away, and so 706 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: there was one three and out. Because you've run different 707 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: plays there, Sure you could have maybe done something different, 708 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: you know, you could have passed on first down and 709 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 3: caught them off guard or something like that. 710 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but no way that everybody would have been like 711 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: exactly exactly. 712 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 3: So there's like, so whatever, you could have done something 713 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 3: different on those three plays, but they just didn't have 714 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 3: the ball much offensively in the fourth quarter to even 715 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 3: like get conservative in my mind, one hundred percent. 716 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't on the offense, you know, I mean, 717 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: and they drove down the field for the field goal attempt. 718 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, well exactly. And so you know, I think the 719 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 3: last point here and this is one more question I 720 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: want to get to. 721 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: This and by the way, the offense closed out the 722 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: game so correct, which, by the way, can I just 723 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: pause you for one second? I feel like I talk 724 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: about this with some regularity, and like in the NFL, 725 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: it comes down to the smallest of details and like 726 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: one or two plays and we sit here and we 727 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: talk every week about themes and and all these different things, 728 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: and of course, like every play matters, and it all 729 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: it's a it's a sequence of events, right, and if 730 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: you don't make a play in the second quarter whatever, 731 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 1: then that's hurts you in the fourth. But this game, 732 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: this game came down to third and six. Are the 733 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: other Ravens going to convert? That's what it came down to. Like, 734 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson doesn't convert that pass to Zay Flowers, 735 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: I fear that the Ravens would have lost that game 736 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: the way that it was going and so like you know, 737 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: and the conversation would have been very different, very very different, 738 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: and so ultimately, like that's that's the margin of air, 739 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: that's the that's how tight things are in the NFL. 740 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: You got to make one play and the Ravens made 741 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: it and that's why they won. 742 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was huge I think that, like you cannot 743 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 3: overlook the significance of that pass passing cash from Lamar 744 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 3: and then the run and then the run by him 745 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 3: just completely. 746 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: Serious play call, great design, it was great, great execution. 747 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 3: It was it was really well done. And so I 748 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 3: think that, like I mean, it's we're talking through all 749 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: these things and it's kind of a question of where 750 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 3: you go from here. But keeping that in mind, the 751 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 3: way that Lamar closed out that game, the offense was 752 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: was really important. The last point here goes to special teams. 753 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 3: And this has been a big conversation I think in 754 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: Baltimore this week. But Levi Pierce, first time emailer, an 755 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 3: one who says I can't help but email you guys. 756 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 3: He had a few different questions, but what is going 757 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: on with with Justin Tucker? There's just been too many 758 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 3: misses there. He had a few other questions, but that's 759 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 3: the one I want to get perspective on, is this 760 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 3: question of what is going on with Justin Tucker? And 761 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 3: LEVI appreciate the email from you, and you know, John 762 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: Harwald was asked this question this week and he said, 763 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 3: it's it's basically a mechanical He said, it's a tech 764 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 3: technical thank you. It's a technical issue. And so again 765 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 3: this kind of goes back to what I was just 766 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 3: talking about from defense, like whenever a kicker misses, people 767 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 3: start going into the mental side of things, because it's 768 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: kind of like a golf swing, you know, you start 769 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 3: getting into the sport psychology thing of it all. But 770 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 3: John Harboll pointed to the technical element of it, and 771 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 3: and Justin Tucker, who knows his kicking motion obviously better 772 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: than anybody else. Him and Randy Brown they're going to 773 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 3: work on that right now, and they're going to work 774 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 3: on figuring out what this technical issue is and how 775 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 3: they resolve. 776 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 2: Oh, I bet they already know what it is. 777 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 3: Well, they know what it is. It's the it's resolving 778 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 3: presuppit that's correct. And so how do they go about that? 779 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: You know, I think that well, when you look at 780 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: that kick, when you look at the end zone view 781 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: of that kick, I mean it starts straight and then 782 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: it takes a hard left turn. Yeah, I mean it 783 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: hooks dramatically. 784 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 785 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: And so that to me, to you know, Harves's point, like, yeah, 786 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: there's something technically wrong with that kick. 787 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like he just like straight up. 788 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: Whatever you just miss you aimed, your aim was off 789 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: whatever you just I mean, you just missed it. But 790 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: like there's a difference between that kick was never going 791 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: to go in right, Like it was just wide wide 792 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: and like, oh weird, something happened with that kick that 793 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: made it dramatically change in mid flight. 794 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 3: And we've been watching Justin Tucker kick throughout his entire 795 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 3: entire career. He typically kicks a very straight ball, like 796 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 3: you don't see that curveball that we saw against Dallas. 797 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: And so now he's missed all three of his attempts 798 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: have missed wide left correct, which is. 799 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 3: A trend yep, but they all haven't been that weird time. 800 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: They all haven't done that right, So that that was 801 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: new And so yeah, I have all the faith in 802 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: the world that like they know how to correct that 803 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: and that they're going to attack that in practice. Yeah, 804 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 1: I do think that any time you're dealing with a kicker, 805 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: the mental side of it comes into play. Like it 806 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: is a very isolating position and it's high pressure, it's 807 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: all it's all on you, and like that's just that's 808 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 1: a kicker's world. It is a mental world to a degree, 809 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: and Justin Tucker throughout his career has like made it. 810 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: He's been so good in part A because he's relished 811 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: those moments and b because he's stripped it down to 812 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: a very to a science and very mechanical and technical 813 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: and all those things. Right, But like there's no doubt that, 814 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, Harve's talking about how much faith he has 815 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: in Justin and how how he supports him and all 816 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: that stuff. Like that's to the mental side, Like the 817 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: Ravens want to make sure that they're keeping because Justin 818 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 1: Tucker is very hard on himself. Yeah, there is nobody 819 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: that like sets a higher bar from themselves than Justin Tucker. 820 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: And you know, after he missed that kick, you see 821 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: him like I saw him. You know, he's pacing on 822 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: the sideline. He's pacing back and forth. He doesn't know 823 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: what to do, and it's almost like a picture with 824 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: a no hitter, Like everybody kind of don't want to 825 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: say anything to him, and then you know, you kind 826 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: of just give him a little little slap on the 827 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: back and you know, to let him know, like we're 828 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: here with you, man, like we support you. Yeah, we 829 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: have faith, and that's what should do. And they do 830 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: have that faith that he can come out of it. 831 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: But like you know, and then you know, when he 832 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: sat down that bench, he was ticked. You know, he 833 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: kind of punched it. He kind of slammed it with 834 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: his the back of his fists a little bit, and. 835 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 2: He cares a lot. 836 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 3: Well totally, I mean, I think the other thing, I mean, 837 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 3: Justine had so much success that he hasn't entirely had 838 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 3: many slumps at all. 839 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: He's never missed a field goal in three consecutive games. 840 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: He had a few instances of two consecutive games, but ever. 841 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 3: Three now and when but when he the rare instance 842 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 3: is where he has struggled, he has used that as motivation. 843 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 3: I go back to when he missed the extra point 844 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: to tie the game against the Saints that would have 845 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 3: sent that game to overtime. It was his first missed 846 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 3: extra point of his career any level, high school, college pros. 847 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 3: And that was shot. 848 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 2: Missed one since I mean that guy, Yeah, like. 849 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 3: That was a shocking moment when he missed that, and 850 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 3: he actually kept the ball from that and put it 851 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 3: in his house and basically to serve as kind of 852 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 3: a humble reminder of focusing on everything. And he talked 853 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 3: about how that again he put that ball in his 854 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 3: house and and he has gone on to be a 855 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 3: great kicker since that moment. So I have full faith 856 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 3: in his ability to come out of this, and I 857 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 3: think the Ravens do too. And I think that, you know, 858 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 3: the truth is, like the truth is, you won't know 859 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 3: until he kicks a long field goal. It's like, I 860 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 3: don't think this is really a situation of like you 861 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 3: know sometimes of a receiver struggling and just get him 862 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 3: the ball early, and it's like, no, you're not gonna 863 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 3: You're not gonna have remove this from your thought until 864 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 3: he goes out there and kicks a fifty yard or 865 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 3: kicks a forty five yard. 866 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 2: The long one. Yeah, Now, it's just like you just 867 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 2: you know, it's that was It wasn't a chip shot. 868 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 3: It was Ay, it's a longer, but some of these 869 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 3: guys are hidding, you know, Aubrey hit of sixty five yarder. 870 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 3: But anyway, like I think that like it's gonna be 871 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 3: in the back of your mind until he goes out 872 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 3: there and proves that it's not a non issue, correct, 873 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 3: And I have full confidence in his ability to do that, absolutely. 874 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: So it's Uh, it's gonna be fun week. Ravens have 875 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 3: the Bills coming to town. Bills are great. We're going 876 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 3: to talk about that game and much more detail over 877 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 3: the course of the week. Didn't want to make sure 878 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 3: that fans know it's gonna be our Darkness Falls game. So, uh, 879 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 3: teams in black jerseys and it's gonna be an awesome 880 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 3: at here. You want to get to that. You want 881 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 3: to be there first of all, and you want to 882 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 3: make sure you're in your seats early by eight o'clock. 883 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 3: So we've got a lot of cool stuff planned for 884 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 3: that game. 885 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 2: Let show up looking like Johnny Cash. 886 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 3: Okay, black, all black suits, all black. 887 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 2: I like it. 888 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: I like it. So as always, you can email us 889 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 3: the lounge at Ravenside NFL dont thank you so much 890 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 3: for listening. 891 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,439 Speaker 2: Our dog the week. 892 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: You were about to close it out before we gave 893 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: the no. 894 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 2: You thought that he left the kettle. You thought they 895 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 2: let him out. Nah, the dogs dog. We got to 896 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 2: give it to the big dog King do. 897 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is our first no the week, she almost 898 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 1: coming off always forgot. 899 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. We'll be back for you tomorrow.