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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Hey besties. Today on the bright side, we're paying our

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Speaker 2: respects to a concept that has weighed heavily on us,

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Speaker 2: The Girl Boss. May she rest in peace. Author and

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Speaker 2: cultural critic Lee Stein joins us to talk about the

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Speaker 2: rise and eventual downfall of the Girl Boss, and we

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Speaker 2: look ahead to the future of women in the workplace.

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Speaker 3: I think Girl Boss the movement became synonymous with millennial

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Speaker 3: hustle culture, and I think one of the things that

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Speaker 3: would come to harm the Girl Boss in the end

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Speaker 3: was that we had the idea that if the girl

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Speaker 3: slash woman was running the company, it would be different

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Speaker 3: than when the boys ran the company.

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Speaker 4: It's Thursday, April eleventh.

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Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Simone Voice, and this is the bright side

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Speaker 2: from Hello Sunshine. Okay, so today we're trying something a

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Speaker 2: little bit new, and I'll tell you why. So I've

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Speaker 2: been feeling for a long time that we need to

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Speaker 2: properly memorialize the Girl Boss because she is an icon,

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Speaker 2: a legend, but she was ever present if you were

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Speaker 2: a millennial working woman between twenty fourteen to let's say

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So I think that we're going to get

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Speaker 4: into what the Girl Boss is was how it impacted

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Speaker 4: our lives in society. But I really want to hear

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Speaker 4: about how the Girl Boss impacted you personally. First were

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Speaker 4: you did you feel connected to her?

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Speaker 1: Simone?

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Speaker 2: I felt so connected to the Girl Boss. I mean

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Speaker 2: I was hashtagging hustle quotes on Instagram, Danielle, I was

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Speaker 2: rocking the pants suits. I mean, I probably had girl

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Speaker 2: Boss merch. It just made me feel like I was

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Speaker 2: a part of something, like I was linked to all

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Speaker 2: the other ambitious young women in my age who were climbing,

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Speaker 2: who were building. I mean I was in New York

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Speaker 2: So it just felt like this movement that I wanted

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Speaker 2: all came crashing down and I have a very complex

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Speaker 2: relationship with it. Now, what do you think of when

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Speaker 2: you think of the Girl Boss.

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Speaker 1: I think of the esthetic so much.

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Speaker 4: I think of the millennial pink and the twelve different

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Speaker 4: textures of millennial pink.

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Speaker 1: And I think of Beyonce.

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Speaker 4: Because there was that quote that was going around the

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Speaker 4: internet that said, you have the same amount of hours

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Speaker 4: in the day as Beyonce, and I think that idea

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Speaker 4: exemplified the Girl Boss so well, which was like hustle hard,

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Speaker 4: do the most, don't sleep, and it was all kind

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Speaker 1: But I think that.

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Speaker 4: The Girl Boss, for all of her wrongdoings, actually set

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Speaker 4: us up for a better place at work and in

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Speaker 4: work culture for women as a whole. And so I'm

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Speaker 4: really excited to unpack all of it with you.

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Speaker 2: We have decided that we need to have a proper

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Speaker 2: memorial for the Girl Boss. I need some closure. I

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Speaker 2: wonder if some of our right side besties might be

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Speaker 2: fit from some closure too, So we're gonna be laying

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Speaker 2: her to rest with an expert and also a couple

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Speaker 2: of eulogies from yours.

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Speaker 4: Truly, I think may can we call it a funeral?

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Speaker 4: I think we're having a funeral for the Girl Boss.

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Speaker 4: We are May she rest in peace.

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Speaker 2: But first, here's what's popping on our feeds today. This

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Speaker 2: is your morning drip, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we got to kick it off with a huge

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Speaker 4: win for women in sports because for the first time ever,

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Speaker 4: more people watch the women's NCAA championship game than the

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Speaker 4: men's game.

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Speaker 1: We need a.

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Speaker 4: Sound effect we need a blowhorn.

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Speaker 2: Did you just do that with your mouth?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that was incredible. You're so talented.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited by this because it wasn't just by

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Speaker 4: which is like the ratings for television, eighteen point nine

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Speaker 4: Iowa Sunday afternoon, which was the women's game, compared to

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Speaker 4: fourteen point eight million people who watch the men's championship

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Speaker 4: that's like a four million person difference.

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Speaker 2: I think I think you're great at math, because you're

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Speaker 2: absolutely right. I mean, we are living in history right now.

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Speaker 2: This is so cool.

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Speaker 4: Also, everybody was talking about how the women's college basketball

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Speaker 4: the men's, and.

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Speaker 1: That's for a lot of reasons. Like part of it is.

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Speaker 4: That a lot of the men are going to play

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Speaker 4: are just so dominant, and I'm excited to see some

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Speaker 4: of the stars that come out of the women's basketball

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Speaker 4: movement and moment right now, I.

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Speaker 2: Think you're absolutely right. Okay, taking a hard left turn here, Danielle.

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Speaker 2: I know you're a fan. You said your favorite movie

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Speaker 2: is First Wives Club?

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Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, I will watch any rom com thirty

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, Bridget Jones, where do you stand on that

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Speaker 2: huge see? I watched them all on airplanes all the time.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch Bridget Jones? I did. Such fond memories

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Speaker 2: and more good memories are coming because she is back.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 2: We've just learned that Renees Elwiger, Emma Thompson, and Hugh

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Speaker 2: Grant are going to reprise their roles for a fourth

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Speaker 2: Bridget Jones movie, and it's going to be called Bridget

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Speaker 2: Jones Mad About the Boy.

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Speaker 4: We have to say that in a British accent. Mad

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Speaker 4: about the Boy.

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Speaker 2: Mad about the Boy airs just better, not great, not

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Speaker 2: my best work. So this is actually based on the

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Speaker 2: book of the same name that came out in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: This story is going to follow newly widowed Bridget as

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Speaker 2: of course, there are going to be some crazy hijinks,

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Speaker 2: like cooking up with a much younger man can't wait

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Speaker 2: to see that. I'm also curious, Danielle, to see how

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Speaker 2: they adapt this story for modern times, because it's been

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Speaker 2: a minute since we had a Bridget Jones installment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you remember, I mean, it's ever present

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Speaker 4: on the internet. But there's a lot of parts of

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Speaker 4: when this came out, everybody was like, I can't believe

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Speaker 4: So like, none of that works today, thank god, but

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Speaker 4: I do. One of the things I love about Bridget

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Speaker 1: I think she has a baby at forty three.

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Speaker 4: We see her go through life moments so candidly and

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Speaker 4: sometimes she stumbles, which I love because, especially in that

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Speaker 4: So I am really excited for this reboot.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree, and I think what's really cool about

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Speaker 2: this is number one, we're getting to see a portrayal

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Speaker 2: So I love this for her. Nobody could have played

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Speaker 2: be fun to see her in the modern world, Like

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Speaker 2: is she going to have a Tinder account? There's so

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Speaker 4: One thing I know for sure is she's going to

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Speaker 4: remain a clumsy, relatable queen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And we love a clumsy relatable queen, don't we.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we do.

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Speaker 4: As a girl who trips up the stairs all the time,

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Speaker 2: So maybe one of the things that Bridget Jones is

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Speaker 1: I would love that, big fan.

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Speaker 2: That would be very relatable. And that reminds me of

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Speaker 2: an article that I came across this is crazy. So

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Speaker 2: AI is now making its way into mental health apps

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Speaker 2: This makes me kind of nervous.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of pros and cons here.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that does make me nervous simone

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Speaker 4: Like AI therapy and AI in general is only as

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Speaker 4: here is that a lot of times, when people, including myself,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know about this one. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I'm an AI therapy fan. Why does everything

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Speaker 1: Well, actually they're saying that right now.

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Speaker 4: It's best used as a companion to in person therapy.

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Speaker 4: So your instincts are on the right track. Is this

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Speaker 4: something that you would try out?

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Speaker 2: Gosh, that's a really good question. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: but I can definitely remember being younger and not having

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Speaker 2: over that emotional mental hurdle of like, Okay, I need therapy.

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Speaker 2: I need to go see someone, and perhaps AI could

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Speaker 2: help reduce that barrier to entry for a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's the consensus online too. I feel

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Speaker 4: nervous typing such personal information into a technological anything. It

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Speaker 4: feels like uploading your medical records or something. But I

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Speaker 4: think if you're really in pain and you need some connection,

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Speaker 4: it's not a horrible place to start.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know, folks, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, I think our consensus is that We need a

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Speaker 4: little bit more information on this, but we're going to

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Speaker 4: keep an eye on it, and we're going to take

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Speaker 4: a quick break. But up next we'll be back with

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Speaker 4: writer and culture critic Lee Stein on the life and

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Speaker 4: death of the girl Boss. All right, we're back, and

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Speaker 4: today on the show, we're talking about the rise and

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Speaker 4: the fall of the girl Boss.

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Speaker 2: Ooof this is a big one.

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Speaker 1: Well, she was born in the mid twenty tens.

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Speaker 4: She was simultaneously a power fantasy and a utopian promise.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love that.

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Speaker 1: I was almost tricked by her.

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Speaker 4: The girl boss was an archetype of a successful woman.

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Speaker 4: She was confident, she was capable, and man, oman did

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Speaker 2: She crumbled, She grumbled real good. And then as recently

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Speaker 2: see a later girl Boss. That's exactly what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: So here to help us eulogize the girl Boss and

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Speaker 2: according to Vox, the world's foremost authority on the girl Boss,

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Speaker 2: Lee Stein. Welcome, Lee, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Today we're talking about the demise of the girl Boss.

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Speaker 4: But to really understand and her downfall, I think we

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Speaker 4: Where did the girl Boss come from?

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Speaker 3: So I think it's important to understand that the girl

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Speaker 3: And then the millennial girl boss comes in and she's like,

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Speaker 2: Lee for anyone out there who doesn't know, can you

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing a lot of baggage to this conversation. Lee.

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Speaker 2: You don't know me, but this is a heavy one

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Speaker 3: So I think girl Boss the movement became synonymous with

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Speaker 3: And you looked at the Instagram accounts or the websites

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Speaker 3: It just looks like a feminine utopia. But in fact,

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Speaker 3: as we would come to learn, women can behave badly

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Speaker 3: have VC funding, your imperative is to scale at any cost,

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Speaker 4: Part of what I think makes the concept of girl

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Speaker 4: What was the danger in combining these two well, I

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to use the word complicated, because I think

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Speaker 4: Get There's a quote in your article that I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think there was a lot of criticism

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Speaker 2: Why do we think that we need these pop feminist

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Speaker 3: It's such an interesting question. I think it's important to

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Speaker 3: I'm so with Girl Boss. She's coming out as a

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Speaker 2: Really does seem like the rise of girlhood is a

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Speaker 4: What do you think that meant?

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Speaker 3: I think because of women's history, when we think of

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Speaker 4: Okay, Lee, talk to us about the Girl Boss's downfall.

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Speaker 4: What year did it all start to crumble?

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Speaker 3: Then it got worse in twenty twenty in the pandemic

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Speaker 4: Recently, there was a TikTok of a woman saying I

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Speaker 4: can't believe she paid twenty million dollars to end her

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Speaker 4: own career because people are like, it's too much, Jlo,

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Speaker 4: She's putting too much out there. Go away, And I'm thinking,

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Speaker 4: we don't say that about any male celebrity.

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Speaker 3: We all work in a competitive industry. We work in

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Speaker 3: the media industry. I work in book publishing. We're looking

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Speaker 3: at our peers, we're looking at our friends, We're seeing

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Speaker 3: who got what. We're ambitious women, We're driven, and so

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Speaker 3: not everyone can win every prize, and so I think

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Speaker 3: watching these women fall, there's almost like a thrill in it.

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Speaker 3: To me, it becomes almost like a spectator sport totally.

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Speaker 3: The summer of twenty twenty, this was like our sports

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Speaker 3: game that we were watching on the internet.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think, in the most simple terms, it's

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Speaker 2: just misogyny. It's just the fact that there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of people still today who feel like women don't

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Speaker 2: deserve to be in any of these positions, and so

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Speaker 2: they are so eager to see them removed from them.

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Speaker 1: Toille's point, I think women do it to other women also.

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Speaker 2: It's true, but it's totally true. But that can that's

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Speaker 2: internalized misogyny. I mean, we see that so much.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's internal I wouldn't define it that

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Speaker 3: way myself. I think men know how to be physically

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Speaker 3: aggressive with one another. A man can meet another guy

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Speaker 3: outside the bar and beat his nozen. Women know how

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Speaker 3: to be socially aggressive with one another, and women know

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Speaker 3: how to destroy each other's reputations and damage each other socially.

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Speaker 3: They know how to hurt someone's feelings, and so this

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Speaker 3: kind of pile on with the girl bosses. I think

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Speaker 3: it's really women doing it to each other.

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Speaker 2: So do you think that that is innate behavior or

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Speaker 2: is that something that women and have learned from observing

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Speaker 2: men in the workplace.

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Speaker 3: No, I think women are socialized to do it to

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Speaker 3: one another because they're competing for the one guy, you know,

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Speaker 3: to be reductive and simple about it. But I think

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Speaker 3: women learn how to do this at school. I mean

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Speaker 3: they learn how to be cliquish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Lee, I want to talk about where do

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Speaker 2: we go from here in this post girl Boss world?

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Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, the girl Boss made me feel like

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Speaker 2: I was a part of something, and I think there

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Speaker 2: are other millennial women who feel that way too. So

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Speaker 2: is there a new community that offers that today.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this, and I'm glad you asked

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Speaker 3: about the word community because I was looking to kind

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Speaker 3: of compare and contrast a younger founder with the with

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Speaker 3: the millennial girl Boss. And I found this artifact from

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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen when Emily Weiss launched Glossier. The blog post

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Speaker 3: that she wrote, she said, We're laying the foundation for

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Speaker 3: a beauty movement, one that celebrates real girls in real life.

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Speaker 3: It has this very like aspirational empowerment toned to it.

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Speaker 3: And then I compared this with the description of Hailey

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Speaker 3: Bieber's beauty brand Road, and so she says, Road is

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Speaker 3: dedicated to making products based in science and great formulation,

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Speaker 3: simplifying many of the mysteries and complex narratives behind efficacious skincare.

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Speaker 3: It's so clinical and cold, like it sounds scientific, it

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Speaker 3: sounds smart, but it's not saying like girls were all

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Speaker 3: in this together. It's saying like, do you want an

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Speaker 3: effective product that works, That's why you should buy my brand.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not seeing the same kind of like we're

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Speaker 3: doing it for the sisterhood kind of branding that was

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Speaker 3: so popular among the millennial girl bosses. Another example that

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Speaker 3: we could talk about is Emma Chamberlain. I think of

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Speaker 3: like Emma Chamberlain as kind of a gen Z superstar

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Speaker 3: and an entrepreneur, and she started Chamberlain Coffee, but it's

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Speaker 3: still all her brand. Like she's not coming in and

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Speaker 3: saying I'm going to disrupt Starbucks. She's just saying, here's

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Speaker 3: my own coffee brand because I care about coffee, and

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Speaker 3: her face is all over. So I'm wondering if gen

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Speaker 3: Z is really going to be more about the personal

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Speaker 3: brand and less about scaling and disrupting the way millennials were.

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Speaker 4: That's an interesting point, Yeah, because there is this part

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Speaker 4: of girl Boss that is the opposition. It's the disruption,

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Speaker 4: and so I do agree with you. I think that

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Speaker 4: that the personal brand is more interesting than saying I'm

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Speaker 4: going to do this totally different.

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Speaker 2: I think that aligns with what we're hearing about younger generations,

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Speaker 2: that they have declining trust in institutions and they're more

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Speaker 2: likely to trust a personal brand.

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Speaker 3: I think that's such a smart point. I think we

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Speaker 3: were already feeling this kind of distrust in institutions, like

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Speaker 3: we had distrust in politicians. But around the girl Boss era,

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Speaker 3: it was like, well, maybe we could trust this company

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Speaker 3: that's trying to do things differently. Maybe we could put

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Speaker 3: our trust in Everlaine. Right, maybe Everlaine will save us.

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Speaker 3: But maybe the younger generation is saying, maybe I can

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Speaker 3: only trust this personal brand. Who I think I know.

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Speaker 3: I think I know I'm a Chamberlain because I watch

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Speaker 3: her on YouTube. I feel like I know her. They're

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Speaker 3: in a personal, parasocial relationship with each creator or entrepreneur.

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Speaker 4: I think that girl Boss walked so that we could

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Speaker 4: run I do feel a type of sort of disgust

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Speaker 4: if I'm being honest with the girl Boss movement, and

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Speaker 4: yet I'm so grateful to it because I do feel

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Speaker 4: like they open doors for people like Emma Chamberlain or

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Speaker 4: an every day entrepreneur, regardless of how big or small

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Speaker 4: your company is, to do it in a way that's

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Speaker 4: not so grand and performative.

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Speaker 3: Something I learned is that it's always easier to criticize

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Speaker 3: than it is to build something. So it's very easy

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Speaker 3: to go on social media and knock someone down and

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Speaker 3: criticize what they've done. It takes a lot more energy

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Speaker 3: and hope and strength to create or build, and so

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Speaker 3: just to build on what you said, Danielle, like creating

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Speaker 3: or building. It doesn't have to be at scale. It

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Speaker 3: can start small. But I think the women that continue

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Speaker 3: to launch, create, try run expai That's what gets me excited.

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Speaker 3: That's what I try to do in my own work.

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Speaker 3: It's just like, keep creating and keep building.

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Speaker 2: The girl Boss may be dead, but feminine ambition is

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Speaker 2: still alive and well so. According to McKinsey, women are

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Speaker 2: actually more ambitious now than before the pandemic. Quote, nine

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Speaker 2: to ten women ages thirty and under want to be

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Speaker 2: promoted to the next level, and three and four aspired

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Speaker 2: to become senior leaders. So maybe we've held on to

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Speaker 2: some of that ambition from the Girl Boss era.

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Speaker 1: I think we have.

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Speaker 3: It's still so new, like female leadership in corporate America.

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Speaker 3: We've only been doing it like the last forty fifty years.

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Speaker 3: Like there's so much further that we can go, we

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Speaker 3: just need more time to try it.

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Speaker 2: Lee, this has been really insightful having you here. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm always happy to talk about the girl Bob.

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Speaker 2: Lee Stein is a writer and cultural critic. For more

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Speaker 2: from the brilliant mind of Lee, check out her novels

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Speaker 2: Self Care and Land of Enchantment.

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Speaker 4: Taking a Quick Break and then The bright Side continues

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Speaker 4: our celebration of life for the dearly departed Girl Boss.

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Speaker 2: Before we close out the show, we both have a

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Speaker 2: few parting words that we'd like to share about The

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Speaker 2: Girl Boss are eulogies. If you will, Danielle, would you

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Speaker 2: like to go first?

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Speaker 1: I'll start.

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Speaker 4: Hello all, I'm Danielle Robe And while I didn't know

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Speaker 4: the Girl Boss all that well, mostly because I'm a

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Speaker 4: sleepy girl who was never willing to forego rest hours

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Speaker 4: for a powder, pink anything. As a millennial woman, I

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Speaker 4: felt like I should say a few words. The girl

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Speaker 4: boss was the epitome of empowerment, the queen of hustle,

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Speaker 4: the CEO of her own destiny. But she wasn't just

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Speaker 4: sipping coffe for fuel. She was gulping down tears of

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Speaker 4: her interns and calling it motivation. As we bid farewell

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Speaker 4: to the era of hashtag girl boss, we reflect on

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Speaker 4: the highs and lows of a movement that empowered women

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Speaker 4: to lean in, speak up, and hustle hard, all while

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Speaker 4: wearing killer heels, doing power poses, and conquering the world

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Speaker 4: one inspirational quote at a time. As we lay her

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Speaker 4: to rest, so too, dies hashtags in general, but specifically

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Speaker 4: ones like hashtag boss babe, hashtag hustle, hashtag women in Business,

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Speaker 4: and hashtag team no Sleep. We bid ad to the

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Speaker 4: perfectly curated Instagram feed with perfectly curated influencers showcasing their

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Speaker 4: hashtag blessed lives that made avocado toast seem like a

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Speaker 4: path to financial freedom. We say farewell to entrepreneurial women

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Speaker 4: in pink power suits on the cover of magazines who

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Speaker 4: preach a set of values. They aren't living by people

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Speaker 4: who mistook self interest for moyal righteousness. Casting the pursuit

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Speaker 4: of profit is feminism and the consumption of one hundred

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Speaker 4: and seventy five dollars face oil made from unicorn tears.

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Speaker 1: As self care.

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Speaker 4: But alas, just like every great trend, there's more under

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Speaker 4: the surface. Laughing makes it easier to admit that we

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Speaker 4: got played, but we must understand the system that played

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Speaker 4: us and brought us here. After years of feeling underestimated, overlooked,

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Speaker 4: and devalued, it felt like with the rise of the

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Speaker 4: girl Boss, our hard work may finally pay off. The

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Speaker 4: implicit promise was that if consumers made these girl Bosses successful,

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Speaker 4: it would mean better working conditions for women, and with

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Speaker 4: that maybe empowerment for all. As Amandimule wrote in The

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Speaker 4: Atlantic in twenty twenty, maybe people could vote for equality

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Speaker 4: by buying a particular set of luggage or joining a

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Speaker 4: particular coworking space. But unfortunately, the patriarchal system that inspired

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Speaker 4: the girl Boss wasn't going anywhere, because the movement was

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Speaker 4: never about changing power, just wielding it. Even the term

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Speaker 4: girl boss has internalized sexism. The idea of calling a

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Speaker 4: grown woman, a CEO, a leader, A girl infantilizes her,

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Speaker 4: makes her words more palatable and less feisty. We wanted

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Speaker 4: it to be easy to buck the whole system. But

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Speaker 4: when it turned out that buying certain products or propping

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Speaker 4: up certain female CEOs just wasn't going to upend it all,

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Speaker 4: who did? We blame women in charge? As it turns

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Speaker 4: out women can't upend an entire system alone. We need

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Speaker 4: help from men, and that was a hard pill to

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Speaker 4: swallow for everyone. So while the concept of girl boss

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Speaker 4: did I think fail us, it did something great. She

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Speaker 4: emboldened us to assert power, speak frankly, and race drive.

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Speaker 4: The energy and desire for something better still exists. So

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Speaker 4: let's pour one out. Here's to the girl Boss. May

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Speaker 4: she rest in peace or reincarnate into leadership. We can

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Speaker 4: all be proud of a lifestyle we can maintain and

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Speaker 4: into a woman, not a girl.

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Speaker 2: Danielle, that was beautiful, Thank you for the stabs.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Simon, would you like to take the podium?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: It's time.

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Speaker 2: She believed she could, so she did, Dearly beloved, That's

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Speaker 2: how I'll remember the girl Boss. Passion, perseverance, and personality

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Speaker 2: all rolled into one pretty millennial pink package. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to believe this day is finally here. Miss Simone Voice

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Speaker 2: the Departed and I had a complex relationship. She probably

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Speaker 2: wouldn't remember me, but I remember the day we met

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Speaker 2: like it was yesterday. The year was twenty fourteen. I

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Speaker 2: was twenty six, wide eyed, hungry, impressionable. Manhattan called and

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Speaker 2: I answered a big girl job in the big city.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't enough to get the dream job in

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Speaker 2: the real world. No, I needed a cutesy hashtag to

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Speaker 2: punctuate my humble brags in the digital world. And that's

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Speaker 2: how the Girl Boss hustled her way into my heart.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to all the girl bosses who achieved the

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Speaker 2: impossible every day tag A fellow hashtag girl Boss, I

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Speaker 2: declared shamelessly in February of twenty sixteen. See the girl

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Speaker 2: Boss made ambition feel accessible, at least for me. I

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Speaker 2: couldn't tell you what a KPI, CPC or ROA was,

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00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: but I was fluent in hustle quotes. I daydreamed of

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00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: boy bosses literally shaking with fear as the pants suit

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00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: clad departed wafted through the boardroom. She was our queen

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00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: Bee and every driven young woman with a dream found

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00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: belonging in her hive. Her influence extended all the way

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00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: from the glass ceiling to the shiny linoleum floor of

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Speaker 2: hobby Lobby, where her goddess breathed words became works of art. Quote.

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00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: She turned her cants into cans and her dreams into plans.

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00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: Quote I'm not bossy, I'm the boss. She got mad,

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Speaker 2: hustle and a dope soul chills. The girl Boss was

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Speaker 2: the wind beneath my millennial wings until she wasn't. I

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00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: girl bossed all the way to the top of my field,

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00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: only to experience more long hours, more lonely nights in

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00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: hotel rooms, more missed birthday parties. It turns out shattering

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00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: the glass ceiling wasn't as grand as the girl Boss said.

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00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: It would be more like a death by a thousand

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00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: cuts that became crystal clear. Once I graduated from girl

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: Boss to girl Berther after producing two airs in two years,

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00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: it was time to head back on the road as

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Speaker 2: a correspondent. Dutifully towed a microphone and live out of

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00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: a suitcase again, only this time I had two hearts

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00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: beating outside of my body, and I couldn't bring them

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Speaker 2: with me. And in that moment, as my own heart

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00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: was breaking, I did something I never thought I do.

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00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: I went against everything that departed ever taught me. I

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00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: just quit. I could hear the Girl Boss's toxic narrative

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00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: in my head. We hustled for nothing. Whatever happened to

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00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: rise and grind? Well, I guess you're gonna have to

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00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: archive all those stage photos of you holding a Starbucks

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00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: cup in one hand and a briefcase in the other.

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Speaker 2: And thus the most transformative promotion of my career was complete,

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Speaker 2: the one where the student becomes the teacher. My final

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00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: act of Girl bossary silencing the very voice that had

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00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: trained me all those years ago. Because the more success

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Speaker 2: I gained, the more I realized I already had everything

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00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: I needed. You know that saying leap and the net

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00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: will appear, Well, I'm a leeber and I have to

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00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: thank the Girl Boss for dying the net pink and

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00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: making the jump a little less intimidating. She's probably enjoying

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Speaker 2: a glass of Bella poke Brute with the other fallen angels,

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00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: negotiating a merger between heaven and purgatory as we speak.

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00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: Made her relentless grind always remind us the joy is

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00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: in the journey, not the destination.

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Speaker 1: That was so beautiful to Bote.

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Speaker 2: I feel I feel closure. I feel like a weight

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Speaker 2: has been lifted off my chest. How about you, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: I really think she would have loved to hear your words.

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00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: I think she would have loved yours too, especially the

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Speaker 2: part about drinking intern tears.

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Speaker 1: I guess this means we're saying goodbye.

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00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: We're done.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye to the girl Boss.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye girl Boss, good riddance, goodbye audio, Sayonara, see you later.

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Speaker 4: Well, now that we've laid her to rest, tomorrow is

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Speaker 4: anew and we are talking about how to add a

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Speaker 4: pop of color to our lives. Here with us is

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Speaker 4: Courtney Quinn aka Color Me Courtney.

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Speaker 2: Listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can

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Speaker 2: find me, you girl, some own boys on Instagram and

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Speaker 2: TikTok and.

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Speaker 4: I'm Danielle robe at Danielle robe on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: That's ro Ba.

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Speaker 2: Y See you tomorrow. Keep looking on the bright side, y'all,