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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. I'm Hannah Elliott and

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller.

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Speaker 2: This is Hot Pursuit coming up today.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. It's our first episode of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Happy New Year from me as well. By the

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Speaker 2: time this comes out, I will have gone and been

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Speaker 2: to the Fish Concert at Madison Square Garden. I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited because we're recording before I go, I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: When is that concert again? Matt?

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Speaker 2: For the record, Well, they play a run of four shows,

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Speaker 2: so twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty thirty one, and every

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Speaker 2: year it's as a tradition. I go to the New

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Speaker 2: Year's Eve show. My brothers go to Fish concerts all

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Speaker 2: year long all over the country because they're diehard fans.

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Speaker 2: I just go to this one and it's enough to

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Speaker 2: give me my fix for the whole year. It's just

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Speaker 2: such a black.

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Speaker 1: Cat I love that. That's so cool. Are you going

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Speaker 1: with anyone in particular?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with my brothers and a bunch of

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Speaker 2: my friends from high school who all come into town

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Speaker 2: every year for the New Year's Eve run. And one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite ret guys, real estate investment trusts, have

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Speaker 2: been very unpopular this year. But David Auerback is a

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Speaker 2: buddy of mine that I go with. Uh he goes

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Speaker 2: to a ton of shows as well. So that's my

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Speaker 2: what's your New Year's thing? What do you do for

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Speaker 2: New Year's Eve?

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Speaker 1: For New Year's Eve, we I'm going to go to

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Speaker 1: a party with some friends who uh are have a

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Speaker 1: party out in Pasadena, but I'm not a big New

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Speaker 1: Year's Eve going out person. And then New Year's Day

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Speaker 1: we I also have dinner plans, but nothing crazy for

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Speaker 1: New Year's Day.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like you, I mean being in La

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Speaker 2: and you being you. They're always like famous people around you,

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Speaker 2: Like you'll go to a lake, Bell will be there,

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Speaker 2: or like Matt Farrow's hanging out.

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Speaker 1: Or you know what. In this same day, literally a

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Speaker 1: week ago, I actually had lunch with Aaron Browner from

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Speaker 1: Brent Bentley, lovely Aaron. Literally on that same day, I

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Speaker 1: saw Billy Gibbons from Top Yes, yes, just like I

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Speaker 1: saw him driving down the street. And then who is

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Speaker 1: the NBA Laker guy? What is his name?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: James Goldstein. He looks kind of like a lizard. He's

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Speaker 1: like ninety years old, and he dresses crazy. Do you

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Speaker 2: He's oh yes, oh yes, oh yes, that's the dude

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Speaker 2: who owns the Big Lebowski house.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes he's Actually he's la famous, but he's quite

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Speaker 1: a fixture. I also saw him driving his huge white

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Speaker 1: silver cloud Rolls Royce, which he famously drives around town,

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Speaker 1: just cruising with the top off. It was kind of amazing.

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Speaker 1: It was one day where I saw like three people. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: not a great story, but.

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Speaker 2: Well I love the I mean that house from The

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Speaker 2: Big Lebowski, you know where the dude goes and everybody's

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Speaker 2: jumping on the trampoline like topless or whatever. And he

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Speaker 2: has a white Russian and.

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Speaker 1: That was the first alcoholic drink I ever had.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's such a cool house. And then Billy Gibbons.

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Speaker 2: I don't know much about zz Top, but I know

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Speaker 2: that the Eliminator. I can't remember if that was the

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Speaker 2: song or the record. He has this like Flathead Ford

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Speaker 1: Cube big car guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a he likes the hot rods.

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Speaker 1: He loves the hot rods. When I saw him, this

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Speaker 1: sounds really crazy, but he was in some one of

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Speaker 1: those cube cars that it might have been a Nissan Cube.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I know.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone else make a cube car?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple. I mean there's like they're all

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Speaker 2: Jonah drives in Veep, which I think is hilarious. And

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Speaker 2: there's the the the as Tech is that in Breaking Bad,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of any of them for real,

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Speaker 2: but if they're in good colors, they're pretty fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm always curious about why people buy them.

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Speaker 2: I think I always think about if you want enough space,

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Speaker 2: then a cube makes the most sense, right, Like a

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Speaker 1: Yes, sure it's a lot different than famously doesn't have

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Speaker 2: True, true, but you're seeing upright now that you don't need.

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Speaker 1: It, Yeah, right, right, exactly.

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Speaker 2: It was in Breaking Bad it was a Pontiac as

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Speaker 2: Tech that the guy drives. And then I can't remember

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Speaker 2: the name of the Honda that has kind of a

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Speaker 2: My wife's favorite car in Europe is the Fiat Dupla,

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Speaker 2: possibly the ugliest car that has ever been designed.

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Speaker 1: I have not even heard did they even sell that

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Speaker 2: Sorry, it's a Multipla Multipla Google Fiat Multipla, not Dupla,

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Speaker 1: No, Oh my goodness, I can't unsee that. That is what.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this what. It looks like an alien

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Speaker 1: beatle bug, but not in a good way.

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Speaker 2: It's got the split level front end and like GM

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Speaker 2: did that with their trucks for a long time, and

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Speaker 2: it's got those like bulbous headlights under the windshield that

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Speaker 2: makes it look like an insect kind of.

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Speaker 1: It's like a mini van and a station wagon pushed together. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's it's like rivaling Jaguar bad like that bad. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's that's the that's the New Year's thing.

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Speaker 1: Face only a mother could love.

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Speaker 2: Yes, happy at twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 1: Are you someone who makes resolutions?

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Speaker 2: Mmm? No, because I mean I have made resolutions and you.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone sort of does in the back of

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Speaker 2: her or his mind. But yes, but no one keeps resolutions, right, No,

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Speaker 2: I don't. Maybe No, I know that if I'm making

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Speaker 1: You know, La, It's all about intentions being intentional, which

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Speaker 1: somehow feels like less pressure than a resolution. I think

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Speaker 1: it's all about you know, you have a faint feeling

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Speaker 1: for something and you just intended and then it happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a light way, all right. So that's our

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. And the cool thing. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's cool, but I listen to a

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Speaker 2: lot of car podcasts obviously, and people have the lists,

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Speaker 2: and Haggarty has their like, what do they call it,

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Speaker 1: I actually love looking at their Bullmarket list. I find

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Speaker 2: I also do. But we're not going to because everybody

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Speaker 2: else already has nice But you have a thing. You

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Speaker 2: have a thing that you do where you pick your

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Speaker 2: your best car of the year. And yes I know

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Speaker 2: this not only because not because I know you and

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Speaker 2: because I read your work, but also because we were

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Speaker 2: talking about it on Bloomerg Radio on Bloomberg TV all

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Speaker 2: day today. Since your story just hit the wire, So

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Speaker 2: we're going to open with that. We're gonna open twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six with your favorite car that you drove in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. You and I drive a ton i'd

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Speaker 2: say priaked. Together we probably drive one hundred cars a

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Speaker 2: year around. Yeah, and then we're gonna go through some

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Speaker 2: viewer email because we have our listener email, because we

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Speaker 2: have some good ones.

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Speaker 1: We love hearing from you. We love the photos, we

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Speaker 1: love the stories, we love the jokes, and even the criticisms. Yes,

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Speaker 1: in a weird way, we love it.

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Speaker 2: I frankly, I prefer the criticisms when people, especially when

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Speaker 2: people are angry and they're they're they don't like me.

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Speaker 2: That's when you're guaranteed to get a response.

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Speaker 1: How is I feel like? I always say this, but

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Speaker 1: there's nobody who doesn't like you, Matt. How is this possible?

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Speaker 2: There are some you know, uh, I anchor this TV

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Speaker 2: show on Bloomberg every day and I get you know,

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Speaker 2: clients messaging in with you know that was stupid or

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Speaker 2: you're totally wrong or why did they hire you? And

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Speaker 2: I'll write back, Like one guy says, listen, stop trying

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Speaker 2: to be funny all the time. You know you're not funny.

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Speaker 2: This is serious stuff, Like why are you making a joke?

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Speaker 2: About everything, and I wrote back and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I guess because I want people to like me, and

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Speaker 2: I've always had, like, you know, this feeling that I

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Speaker 1: I use sarcastic. No, I'm actually genuinely like, I'm going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why does the class clown funny? For obvious reasons? Right,

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Speaker 2: I want to be accepted.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be liked exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I told the guy like I was just I

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Speaker 2: spilled it all, you know, And now yeah, now we've

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you want them over. That is which

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Speaker 1: supports my claim that nobody doesn't like you, which is

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Speaker 1: really one of your gifts.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say, if you think we suck, please tell us.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to uh. So, you've driven so

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Yeah, one of One of

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Speaker 1: as you know, I really think of cars as tools,

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Speaker 1: and when you are doing any sort of task, anytime

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Speaker 1: like everybody knows, different tools work best in different scenarios.

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Speaker 1: So when people ask what's your favorite car, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: So it's it's and obviously I'm overthinking it, but that's

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Speaker 1: what's your best what's the best car, what's your favorite car?

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Speaker 1: I have to say, well, for what. So that's the

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Speaker 1: big caveat to this. I think, first of all, the

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Speaker 1: so different, and I really believe that this will be

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Speaker 1: the future of transportation for many people. And Matt, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you've been in a Weemo yet. Have you.

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Speaker 2: I think yeah, as you Yeah, but you're saying it's

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Speaker 2: not about what car, because WEIMO will use I think different.

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Speaker 2: They have Korean cars also, But you're saying not not

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Speaker 2: the car, but the concept concept.

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Speaker 2: This is Hot Pursuit. This is Hot Pursuit. I'm Matt

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Speaker 1: It was from Mercedes, the Mercedes amg GT sixty three

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Speaker 2: power of a GT car, but come on, three hundred

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00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: eighty horse power is more than enough for my daily driver.

436
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't have it. When I speck out a Kara

437
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: Tee on the website on the configurator, which I do,

438
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: you know, three or four times a week, I still

439
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: get to one hundred and sixty if I'm being conservative,

440
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty if I let her rip like.

441
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: It's still just too expensive for what a Kara Tea

442
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: is philosophically supposed to be. And I don't know how

443
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: Portia deals with that, since they're in a world of

444
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: hurt right now as a business.

445
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: The t I've always thought is the thinking man's nine

446
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: to eleven because it has everything you need in nothing

447
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: you don't.

448
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: Right, and the nine to eleven is I mean, someone

449
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: asked me this morning on radio, what is your favorite car?

450
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: And I said the same thing. You say, like, it's

451
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: a very difficult question and it depends on the tool.

452
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day they were like, look,

453
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: if you could only have one car, price is no issue.

454
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: You're not how to resell it. It's like your only car.

455
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: Of course I choose a nine to eleven.

456
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: Here's kind of why I because I don't disagree with you,

457
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: Here's kind of why I said the MGGT. Part of

458
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: it is me just being ornery. It's different because it's different,

459
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be I don't want to

460
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: have the same car as everyone, and I live in

461
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: quite a bubble. I go between Hollywood and Beverly Hills

462
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: and Century City every day and I live in a bubble.

463
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: And part of me is just being like, no, I

464
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: want to be different and turning up my nose only

465
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: to be ormery because because I don't want to have

466
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: the same car that all the guys going into the

467
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: CAAA building have, And I happened to know someone who

468
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: uh felt pressure, who has worked for CIA and felt

469
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: like he quote unquote should buy a nine to eleven

470
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: because that was the car he was supposed to have.

471
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: And he got it and he did not like it

472
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: and he gave it back. Wow, But that's that's that

473
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: to me indicates you.

474
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 2: Mean he flipped it for one hundred thousand dollars profit.

475
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: Well maybe I don't.

476
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: I don't even It wasn't a desire. It was just

477
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: like a base level nine nine two. It wasn't like

478
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: a you know, an st or anything. But he went

479
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: back to his tesla, and to me though, it was

480
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: like this guy who's not a car guy at all,

481
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: but he somehow was picking up on this pressure that

482
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: he quote unquote should have one because of the status

483
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: or whatever and because of whatever money he was making

484
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: at that time. But that's kind of where they are

485
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: are now. And there's a part of it that's just

486
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: like I want to buy into it.

487
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: No, I get it.

488
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: Coming up, we're gonna check in with you, thanks again

489
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: for writing. Our first Listener mailbag of twenty twenty six

490
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: is coming up. That's up next here on Hot.

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Speaker 2: Pursuit Welcome back to Hot Pursuit. I'm Matt Miller with

492
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: Hannah Elliott. We are going to dive into our listener

493
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: mail bag. We got some pretty good emails, actually, some

494
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: fascinating stuff. I started a couple of cool conversations. I

495
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: got into a discussion with a dude named Kevin about

496
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: about Well, first, he was talking about the nine ninety seven.

497
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: I'm looking for a nine nine to seven. And this

498
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with my comment about someone who

499
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: buys a nine nine seven point two, because I'm looking

500
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: for a nine nine to seven point one.

501
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: Now, explain again why you want the one dot one

502
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: rather than dot two.

503
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: Well, for one thing, it's cheaper, right the one the

504
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: nine ninety seven to one still had the M ninety

505
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: six or M ninety seven motor with the intermediate shaft bearing.

506
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: It was a revised IMS bearing, so it didn't likely

507
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: grenade the car the way the nine nine six did,

508
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: but it did have and it does have bor scoring

509
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: issues as well. So you have to be careful when

510
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: you're buying a nine nine to seven point one because

511
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: it could go disastrously wrong. But it also doesn't have to.

512
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: It's just you know, like maybe a tenth of the

513
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: cars have real problems, or maybe a fifth of the

514
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: cars have real problems.

515
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay, this is this is really in the in the woods, right.

516
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't have a comeback for this. I mean, I'm

517
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: not familiar with the boring issues of.

518
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: The boar scoring. So the other the other thing is

519
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: the nine ninety seven two. That's when they brought in

520
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: the nine a one motor that's in then the nine

521
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: nine one point one, and it doesn't even have an

522
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: intermediate shaft bearing, so there wasn't that problem. It doesn't

523
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 2: have bore scoring issues, and it's direct injection, so it

524
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: offers more power and better efficiency. That sounds great, but

525
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't. Because it has direct injection, it doesn't have

526
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: the same kind of intake noise, and it doesn't have

527
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: as mechanical or analog of feel, and that I think

528
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: is a bonus for a cheaper car.

529
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, But is it more difficult to maintain power

530
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: across the as you're accelerating in and out of corners?

531
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Are you noticing a big shift between like a carbureted

532
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: injection versus it's not?

533
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: Well, so the nine nine to seventy one isn't carbureted,

534
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: but it just sprays the fuel in with the air

535
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: at the beginning, at the opening, and it's not direct injection.

536
00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, the new motor, the nine A one will.

537
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: It's not MFI. I know that we'll have.

538
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: More power and we'll pull out of corners probably a

539
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: little bit. But I'm not racing this, you know, it's

540
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: my daily driver.

541
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: That's my point. I'm like, I freely admit I cannot

542
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: tell the difference between how the fuel is being injected.

543
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: I am not. I'm not on that level.

544
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: Well, it's not a huge difference, right the I think

545
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: the for the for the carera s, the first half

546
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: of nine nine seven's have three hundred and fifty five

547
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: horse power and the second half have three hundred and

548
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: eighty five horse power. So it's not a it's not

549
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: gonna change your world. It's just that the reason people

550
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: pay a premium for the point too, is that they're

551
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: less likely to blow up, they're more reliable engines, they're

552
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: going to cost less in maintenance.

553
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: But I think we should say, for the record, there's

554
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: probably not a lot of there's not There isn't a

555
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: lot of history of nine nine seven one's blowing up.

556
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: This isn't like on the internet, it's a big thing.

557
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Caviat.

558
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: In the real world, No, they're not likely to explode,

559
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: but they could slowly wear out, lose power and become

560
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: a problem if there If there's four scoring, that's not

561
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: a problem because there's people that do rebuilds. Of course,

562
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: when you pay for that rebuild, it then reduces or

563
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: makes up for the premium you pay for the nine

564
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: nine to seven point two. But you can go to

565
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: somebody like in New Jersey, the guy that did Matt

566
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: Ferra's Boxer or Cayman or whatever. He'll rebuild your engine

567
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: to a four leader. He'll board out and he'll put

568
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: nickel sleeves in the cylinders and then you're you're good

569
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: to go, and it's awesome. Anyway, the point of Kevin's

570
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: email is none of that. It's just that he heard

571
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: my comment about the Porsche Classic radio. Because the other

572
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: thing about a nine ninety seven is it's dated technology

573
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: right in terms of the head unit, sure and the screen.

574
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: And he said, you can put a Porsche radio. That's

575
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: what he put in one of his He has two

576
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: nine nine sevens. He has a career idea and a turbo. Yeah,

577
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: it's a great idea from Portia. It's an amazing way

578
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: to make money, Like you can replace the navigation system

579
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: with something newer and better and more capable and more

580
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: mindern looking right, And I think, thank Kevin for the advice.

581
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: But I've already decided when slash, if I get this vehicle,

582
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get rid of the screen navigation screen head

583
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: unit completely in the dash and replace it with just

584
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: an open cubby like a GT three cubby. And then

585
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: you hide the electronics like in the fronk somewhere and

586
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: you put in a new amplifier and new speakers.

587
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I totally support this intention for you for

588
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.

589
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: And beyond thank you.

590
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: I hope that it does happen. And as someone who's

591
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: again main drivers, the radios don't work, there are any

592
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: other options that you can have, And I'm a big

593
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: fan of the cubby idy.

594
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, plus the engine sound far in the West Village,

595
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 2: I need less to listen to the radio. And but

596
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: the other cool thing about this message, like when this

597
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: guy Kevin messaged me, then I messaged him back because

598
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the turbo. Also the nine nine

599
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: to seven point one generation has the last Metzger engine

600
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: for turbos. For the turbos in nine nine to seven

601
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: point two, they went with the nine one turbo, which

602
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: is different, and so I was considering it, and I

603
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: asked him, like, is there like real turbo lag and

604
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, you know when you put the pedal

605
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: down like it, it will take a moment and then

606
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: kick you.

607
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: Take a breath, Take a breath. Yep.

608
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't want that. I want linear power band. And

609
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: so I no longer am considering the turbo. Good email,

610
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: great email. This is what I live for. That's why

611
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: I want people to write to us. I gain intel.

612
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: I have a fun conversation. You know. It's something to

613
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: do with my daughter is watching the eight episode of Blueye.

614
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing about the emails we got is

615
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: this kind of ties into what Scott wrote to us about.

616
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: Scott had a great email. The subject line is a

617
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: quick thought on analog cars and software define luxury. And

618
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: this is great because it actually touches on a couple

619
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: of pieces that we've done. We've talked a lot about

620
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: tech overreach in cars and how luxury is now being

621
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: defined a lot by the software and hardware in the car,

622
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: especially the software in the car, not other things like

623
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: leather and interior accoutrement, et cetera. So Scott basically sent

624
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: us a bullet list of things that he thinks that

625
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: we should really pay more attention to when we're evaluating

626
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: press cars, which I think is actually a very point

627
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: well taken.

628
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he says, Look, I have a twenty five

629
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: year old corve. He loves it, but he doesn't drive

630
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: it that much. It's like a weekend thing, like a

631
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: like a fair weather Sunday car. And he says, analog

632
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 2: cars are fun toys, not practical transportation. Most driving today

633
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: is commuting in dense traffic, even for luxury buyers. In

634
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: that world, the ultimate sophistication really is simplicity, and that

635
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: increasingly comes from good hardware and not more switches. So

636
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: I get his point, but I disagree on part of this,

637
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: which is the analogness of it. Like I also drive

638
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: in often bumper to bumper traffic. I'm commuting from Scarsdale

639
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: into New York City every morning, and fortunately I do

640
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: that early enough that I have no traffic, and but

641
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: going home in the afternoon, I have a ton of traffic.

642
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: I nonetheless, I still want three pedals, Like there's no

643
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: situation in which I would prefer a PDK to a

644
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: manual transmission. I actually had talked with Magnus about this briefly,

645
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: because you know, you guys got that nine nine to

646
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: one turbo, and I was like, I hadn't thought about

647
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: it until a few months after. But I they only

648
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: came with a PDK, so I messaged him right away.

649
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: I was like, Magnus, dude, you bought a PDK car

650
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, well it's actually great in traffic,

651
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: so yeah, so I get it. I still would rather

652
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Speaker 2: have three pedals and a stick, like I'm willing to

653
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Speaker 2: take the little bit of pain that I have getting

654
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Speaker 2: on the FDR or getting on the Major Degan for

655
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Speaker 2: the fun that I have when it opens up on

656
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Speaker 2: the Sawmill, or when I get on you know, the

657
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: Bronx River Parkway and I can start to use it again.

658
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: I don't want an automatic transmission if I can avoid it.

659
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: Now you can't in a Corvette these days, or you

660
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: can't in the Mercedes AMGGT. But I would prefer having

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00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: analog gauges in every scenario. I would prefer having a

662
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: handbrake over an electronic parking break. In every single scenario,

663
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 2: I would prefer having a good manual transmission in every

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Speaker 2: single scenario. There's no scenario in which I don't want

665
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Speaker 2: those things to be analog. What I agree with him

666
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: on is I want voice commands. I want if it

667
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Speaker 2: has this kind of technology. I wanted to understand when

668
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: I say call Mom, it doesn't call Bob, you know.

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Speaker 2: Or when I say play the Grateful Dead, it knows

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Speaker 2: I mean channel twenty three on Sirius XM. He points

671
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: out a driver profile set up. It's not necessary for me,

672
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: but I know you can. Every time you get in

673
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: the car, it puts on the station you want, puts

674
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Speaker 2: your car seat in the position you want. I get that,

675
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 2: But for me, rather, I'd rather have a manual seat

676
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: as well. Like when I'm specing my Porsche, I always

677
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: spec the sports seats that just have the four position

678
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Speaker 2: movement and a manual slide front and back. He says,

679
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: active noise cancelation. Do you want that? I guess if

680
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: you're in a Rolls Royce, yes. If I'm in a careeritee, no,

681
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Speaker 2: I don't want that, you know. Overall software Polish. Do

682
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: I want that? Yeah, I do. If you're I want

683
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: a car if it's got that software, I want it

684
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Speaker 2: to work well and feel factory. I don't want it

685
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: to feel like an aftermarket solution. It doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: This is a this is a big, a big thing

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Speaker 1: that makes I'm thinking of Lotus, I'm thinking of McLaren,

688
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: where there whatever screens they have do feel retrofitted in

689
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Speaker 1: the car. They do not feel one with the car.

690
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: They feel like they these guys built the car and

691
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: then you know, stamped on the screen later. And I

692
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Speaker 1: do agree that the overall integration of all of this

693
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: is very important in the car. But it sounds like

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Speaker 1: you're basically saying you disagree with that premise that it

695
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: has to be one or the other, that it has

696
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: to be analog or modern, that it has to be

697
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: twenty five year old car or everything new with a

698
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: bunch of new tech. And Matt, you're saying, like, these

699
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: individual bullet points do make sense, but you could have

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Speaker 1: that and still have an analog experience.

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00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe, and I think I'm guessing Scott would

702
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: probably agree with me. Maybe we're just talking right past

703
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: each other, because like the nine to eleven carra Tee

704
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five version. The software is seamless, it

705
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: feels factory. The driver profile setup, it's quick, it's intelligent.

706
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: The voice commands. Yes, the car understands everything I'm telling

707
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: it to. A lame change assist works perfectly. It even

708
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: has you can option like night vision if you want.

709
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: But it still has three pedals, it still has a stick.

710
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: It still can be fun whenever you want. Do I

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00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: wish it had analog gauges in front of the steering wheel? Yes?

712
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: Do I wish it had a handbreak so I could

713
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 2: do sick one eighty degree turns on a two lane highway, Yes,

714
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: I do. But I think this is that's a car

715
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: that's probably both Scott and I would appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I actually really like Scott's suggestion

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Speaker 1: that we talk more with Tier one supplier from like

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Speaker 1: Bosh or Dinso or whatever. I actually I'd be interested

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Speaker 1: to talk with even like, you know, people who are

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Speaker 1: making seats and any anybody who's making major components. I

721
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: always find really interesting me too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'd love to talk to people from ZF. That's

723
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: a great Harmon. Harmon just bought an Adas business. Yeah,

724
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: I agree. I think it's again, this is one of

725
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Speaker 2: the most This is a very helpful email. This is

726
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Speaker 2: the kind of thing that I want people to write

727
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: to us. If you have this kind of intel, if

728
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: you have this kind of knowledge, please share it with us.

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Speaker 2: On that note, Clarence wrote in I'm trying to find

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Speaker 2: his email, I hear it is yea, So I think

731
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: it all ties together right, because it's the same it's

732
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: the same topic. You have always had an issue with

733
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: the Mercedes volume slide that they had put on the

734
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: steering wheel, right, you slide your finger up or down

735
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: to change the volume, and you said, like, why do

736
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: that when the knob or the dial the roller worked perfectly,

737
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: and Mercedes agreed with you and went back.

738
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Speaker 1: To that, went back to that, and so did Ferrari.

739
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: And actually Ferrari has even said on this new Amalfi

740
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: with the new steering wheel set up with more buttons,

741
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: they are going to now next year sell that steering

742
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: wheel that you can retrofit on any previous Ferraris. So,

743
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: for instance, our friend Steve Sario who owns the Roma

744
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: and got the older steering wheel that did have a

745
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: lot of tiny little screens he could go in and

746
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: buy the new steering wheel and put it on his roma,

747
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: which he likes, which is great. To your point, I think,

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00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: and to Clarence's point who wrote in and said he

749
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: converted his son's GTI from digital buttons to manual they

750
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: got an aftermarket kid. It sounds like the guy's twenty

751
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: five and he didn't like the digital stuff either. So

752
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: it's not just like it's a bunch of boomers or

753
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: who don't like buttons. It's humans who don't like or

754
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: who don't like the screens. It's humans.

755
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. To be clear for anyone listening out there, me

756
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: and Hannah were not actually boomers.

757
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm a millennial.

758
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm Generation Golf. So in this country, in this country,

759
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: it's Gen X, right, but in Germany I gen I'm

760
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: fifty two. In Germany we're known as Generation Golf because

761
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: people in my generation, when you turned eighteen in Germany,

762
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: that's the car you got. It was a golf.

763
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: I like that.

764
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: Actually, like Clarence's kid essentially, Okay, he has a GTI,

765
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: but uh that's a golf. Yeah, that's a golf.

766
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool.

767
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: So all of these I think we're all on the

768
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: same page with pretty much everybody here.

769
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a theme for sure.

770
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: And I also think it's cool that more car makers,

771
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: or at least more Tier one suppliers, are coming out

772
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: with aftermarket solutions that solve these issues. Like Kevin pointed

773
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: out with the PCCM, you can replace the head unit,

774
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: like Clarence points out, with a steering wheel that you

775
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: can replace in the GTI, and you can do that

776
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: with a with a Porsche as well, a nine to

777
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: eleven steering wheel. You can you can put a nine

778
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: to nine one steering wheel on a nine ninety seven,

779
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: or you can buy kits that make it however you

780
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: want it. And and to Scott's point, a lot of these,

781
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: a lot of these aftermarket replacements, they don't just feel

782
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: retro fitted. They can be made fairly factory. But it's

783
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: getting better and better and better and that and by

784
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 2: the way, I keep thinking about batteries in the same way, right,

785
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: So I love the the Corvette E Ray, which has

786
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: a little electric motor in the front and a tiny

787
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: little one point nine kilowat hour battery. I always think

788
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: like battery technology gets better and better every year. Can

789
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: I in five years if I bought that car, can

790
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: I put uh, you know, a twenty killowat hour battery

791
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: that's the exact same size and packaging. Can I replace that?

792
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: Or even on an electric car? You know, if I

793
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: bought like a Hummer with its giant two hundred and

794
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: ten kilowat hour battery pack that weighs like five thousand pounds,

795
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: can I, you know, in ten years, when I can

796
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: fit two hundred and ten KILLOWA hours into like a

797
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: suitcase size, can I replace that? I hope you'll be

798
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: able to retrofit batteries there.

799
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: Everyone that has ever I've ever asked about it, they

800
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: all say, yeah, sure, but is that realistic?

801
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I hear a lot of like theoretically.

802
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: Yes, you could. Theoretically you could.

803
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: Right, I hear a lot of nose, but uh, do

804
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: you really? Yeah? Why because because they didn't build the

805
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: car with that in mind. So most manufacturers put the

806
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: battery somewhere. We're taking it out and replacing it as

807
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: a serious Like it's worse than changing timing belts on

808
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: a you know, on a Ferrari, where you have to

809
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: take the engine out. But maybe maybe they're shifting into

810
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: that direction. By the way, do you know that Benedetto

811
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: Vina when I the CEO Ferrari, when I talked to him,

812
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: he didn't say, but he I feel like, wink wink,

813
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: nudge nudge, implied that the stick shift, the manual transmission

814
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: might come back. And last week I was listening to

815
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: Doug DeMuro and he says, Ferrari is not coming back

816
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: with manual transmissions. Well know, I don't know. But the

817
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: reason I say this is that we are going to

818
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: talk to Doug DeMuro next week.

819
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: We will ask him about that specific he will be

820
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: our guest. Can't wait to talk to him about how

821
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: he's going to spend all his money.

822
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: Yes, he's made even more money. And when I was

823
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: trying to book him for the podcast, he's like, listen,

824
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: I'm trying to work as little as possible. So I

825
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: was like, that's fantastic, dude, wonderful. We'll ask him about

826
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: the careerra GT. How much further can it appreciate in value?

827
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: Does it have an F one motor in it? We'll

828
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: ask him about his four GT, which is my favorite

829
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: car that he owns. We'll ask him about his new

830
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: nine nine to three turbo in Arena red how much

831
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: these cars, That's what I'll I'll ask him that too,

832
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: and who.

833
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: He has taken care of them for him.

834
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: We'll ask him that as well. And he has a

835
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: Lamborghini cuntosh that apparently has to keep going back to

836
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: the shop. We'll ask him about that.

837
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: Someone to manage that. That's a lot of paperwork.

838
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: So that's essentially my t's for next week, meaning that

839
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: we're done for this week.

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Speaker 1: You know where you know where I'm going next week? Ces.

841
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

842
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: So if anybody is going to be in Vegas, this

843
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: is my let me know. I will be there. I

844
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: will be there most of the week, and I will

845
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: be talking to folks. Bloomberg's actually doing some pretty great things.

846
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Speaker 1: So if you're gonna be in Cees, come come find me,

847
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: come talk to me, because I'll be. I'll be. I've

848
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: never been. I've actually never been.

849
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Speaker 2: You're so money and you don't even know it. Baby.

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