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Speaker 1: Mark Daily Show. My guest tonight as the director of
Speaker 1: Pulling at Harvard's Kennedy School's Institute of Politics, and he's
Speaker 1: the author of Fight How gen Z is channeling their
Speaker 1: fear and passion to save America. Please write on the program,
Speaker 1: John Delavo, by John, come back, come in.
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: You have spoken to gen Z, many of them here tonight,
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know if you spoke to them.
Speaker 1: How many of you spoke to John for the Okay?
Speaker 1: Can you get to That's crazy to turn this into
Speaker 1: a focus group? Maybe this is a focus group? Is
Speaker 1: that how you do it? Is it are these? How
Speaker 1: do you get to gen Z? I have two of
Speaker 1: them in my house and I don't know what they
Speaker 1: think about anything.
Speaker 4: They want to be listened to. It's actually quite quite
Speaker 4: quite easy. You can bring a group of young people
Speaker 4: together and I asked a couple of simple questions.
Speaker 3: Do you feel understood? No?
Speaker 4: What do people like me? What do you think people
Speaker 4: like me don't understand about you? And then there we
Speaker 4: go for two hours. It's actually quite easy.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something that is the plot of
Speaker 1: the breakfast club? How so is this mostly focus groups?
Speaker 1: Are these checklists and surveys that you pass out? How
Speaker 1: is this done? What we do?
Speaker 4: And we've been doing this for twenty almost twenty five
Speaker 4: years now at Harvard right because young people twenty five
Speaker 4: years ago were interested in understanding their generation. And to
Speaker 4: do that well, you need to go beyond traditional polling
Speaker 4: and asking people what they think right track, wrong track.
Speaker 4: You need to spend time immerse yourself in these communities.
Speaker 3: We spent a.
Speaker 4: Long weekend in Michigan with a twenty five students or
Speaker 4: so just a few months ago to begin to understand.
Speaker 1: Now they are these people? Do they do you put
Speaker 1: up a flyer? Uh? Or do you put that on?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Sometimes we literally go into coffee shops. Sometimes we'll hang
Speaker 4: up we'll hang up posters asking people if they want
Speaker 4: to participate in a town hall. Sometimes will will recruit
Speaker 4: people based upon certain demographic groups, will pay them for
Speaker 4: a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: To worry that the sample size is skewed to people
Speaker 1: who visit coffee shops, like, how do you adjust for
Speaker 1: we want?
Speaker 4: That's just one phase, right, that's the quality. And then
Speaker 4: we learn from those kinds of questions, right, And we
Speaker 4: conduct very large scale surveys of a relatively small population.
Speaker 4: So whereas most polls across the country might have a
Speaker 4: thousand Americans, maybe a couple thousand Americans, right, we do
Speaker 4: a couple thousand young people between the ages of eighteen
Speaker 4: to twenty nine who are representative of that generation across
Speaker 4: the country. So we learn from the conversations and coffee
Speaker 4: shops and community colleges and you know, online, and we
Speaker 4: take those ideas, we learn from what we hear, and
Speaker 4: we try to quantify that through very large scale, very
Speaker 4: rigorous surveys a couple.
Speaker 3: Times a year.
Speaker 1: And what then do you do with that? How is
Speaker 1: that is that then sent to the media and they
Speaker 1: use it in a reductionist way that doesn't understand anything
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, to make it seem as though
Speaker 1: on college campuses all across America, all they talk about
Speaker 1: is Israel Gaza, because I've been on those campuses. All
Speaker 1: they talk about is getting laid in classes.
Speaker 3: It depends upon listen, It depends.
Speaker 4: Upon what media outlet we're talking about, right, There are
Speaker 4: some media outlets who take these headlines and they run
Speaker 4: them around the world as propaganda to say this generation reductionist.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to say this generation of Americans are anti America,
Speaker 4: and you'll see that around the world, so you can
Speaker 4: use pulling us propaganda. This project started because not enough
Speaker 4: young people were participating in politics back in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 4: Like when we were young voters, only a third of
Speaker 4: us voted in the presidential election.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for calling me a young voter
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six, when I believe I was old
Speaker 1: enough to have been president. What would you like this
Speaker 1: to be used for? What is useful in this in
Speaker 1: your mind? Because it's it's very difficult to take a
Speaker 1: snapshot of something and say this is the picture of
Speaker 1: this generation.
Speaker 4: This is not being this is What's so important is
Speaker 4: that I think the goal of this or the goal
Speaker 4: of any public opinion research is to give voice to
Speaker 4: a generation, to give voice to the vulnerable.
Speaker 1: But isn't that TikTok, isn't that what social like? I've
Speaker 1: never had a more heard generation. I can't get them
Speaker 1: off my phone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you take a moment off of their phone,
Speaker 4: know what they're going to tell you. They're going to
Speaker 4: tell you that several days, last couple weeks, they were depressed.
Speaker 3: They're going to tell you.
Speaker 4: Some serious, serious concerns they have about their own mental health,
Speaker 4: and it gets pretty dark.
Speaker 3: In some cases.
Speaker 4: They're going to tell you that they're not confident that
Speaker 4: they'll ever be able to do what we did in
Speaker 4: terms of own a house. They'll tell you that they're
Speaker 4: concerned about literally being homeless. It's there's virtually every focus
Speaker 4: group I do, whether it's virtual or otherwise. Last night,
Speaker 4: two members of a focus group of young people had
Speaker 4: already been homeless for an extended period of time in
Speaker 4: their heart.
Speaker 1: How quick, that's what we're trying to reveal, these sorts
Speaker 1: of things.
Speaker 4: Within fifteen twenty minutes, there was a woman in tears
Speaker 4: when I simply said, see, this is the difference between
Speaker 4: kind of what the polling is that you might see
Speaker 4: that we duction's pulling versus true public opinion research. Right,
Speaker 4: the way I get to this is. I asked three questions. Okay,
Speaker 4: the first question is your name, where you are from.
Speaker 4: What's the best part of your life today? Next question,
Speaker 4: what keeps you up at night? What are your streutsers?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: And then very very quickly they hit to the point
Speaker 4: that they open up. And this is something I think
Speaker 4: unique about this cohort of younger people of gen zers,
Speaker 4: that they feel so disconnected from older generations because older generations,
Speaker 4: through the media and otherwise consider them snowflakes.
Speaker 1: Right, But no generation ever feels connected to the young generation,
Speaker 1: never feel connected to the older generation. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: They're here to replace us. There, we're we're our job
Speaker 1: is to breed, swim upstream, and then.
Speaker 3: Die on right. But this general what this generation is.
Speaker 4: They're upfront telling us about these concerns, and I argue
Speaker 4: that these concerns are more real and versal than maybe
Speaker 4: our concerns.
Speaker 1: I don't think, what would you like our political system
Speaker 1: or our media system to do with this, other than
Speaker 1: to come out and go, hey, these guys are worried
Speaker 1: because what we ultimately end up getting. I'll watch the
Speaker 1: news and just see the Harvard School of Politics and
Speaker 1: Institute did a survey and the number one concern is inflation,
Speaker 1: and number fifteen is Israel Gaza and fourteen is emo
Speaker 1: music like it's and it'll just give you this list
Speaker 1: and there's no illumination there, it's just the list.
Speaker 4: What I want elected officials to do, and they are doing,
Speaker 4: is to understand these concerns so they can speak to
Speaker 4: these concerns, because if they speak to these concerns.
Speaker 3: Young people will be more likely to vote.
Speaker 4: Not only can they speak to these concerns, but if
Speaker 4: they could show the track record and the progress that
Speaker 4: we have made, because John, this is a different and
Speaker 4: better country because young people vote in twenty twenty and
Speaker 4: record numbers. We don't have KBJ on the Supreme Court,
Speaker 4: we don't have the.
Speaker 1: Large they find record numbers in the last one and
Speaker 1: record numbers. What was the percentage of young people that vote.
Speaker 4: We look at eighteen to twenty nine year olds. It's
Speaker 4: the first time in history that more than half voted,
Speaker 4: fifty one to fifty two percent.
Speaker 1: Really on college Vietnam, the young people didn't vote on college.
Speaker 3: This is higher than any time on record.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: On college campuses it was over sixty percent, which is
Speaker 4: essenti of the same rate as all Americans. And what's
Speaker 4: interesting about this is not only what do we have
Speaker 4: the highest turnout ever, but also it was the youth vote,
Speaker 4: specifically in those five battle ground states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona,
Speaker 4: and Georgia, who by twenty points voted for Biden. Donald
Speaker 4: Trump won everybody over the age of forty four. So
Speaker 4: it's a young people in particular who were responsible flipping
Speaker 4: those states from red to blue.
Speaker 1: And if you were young people today and you did
Speaker 1: that and you overcame that, what has been done for
Speaker 1: you other than some of you, you know in terms
Speaker 1: of like loan forgiveness or something along those lines. But
Speaker 1: do you think that the politicians did honor that vote?
Speaker 4: I think so because let's start with doing debt one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty billion dollars of student debt relief right
Speaker 4: in the last three years for over four million, soon
Speaker 4: to be ten million Americans.
Speaker 3: That doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: We don't have, in my opinion, the first biparison gun
Speaker 4: Violence Prevention Act in two generations.
Speaker 1: So that's you feel like that information just has to
Speaker 1: be delineated to them or they're not feeling those effects
Speaker 1: yet or did they? Are they disappointed? Is this survey
Speaker 1: different for young people? Do they feel do they feel
Speaker 1: that they were heard?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I think that's the challenge, right, because what I care
Speaker 4: most about is participation, okay, And what drives participation is
Speaker 4: whether they can see a tangible difference in politics and
Speaker 4: government and their vote. And despite what I believe has
Speaker 4: been the most pro youth agenda in several generations from
Speaker 4: the Biden administration, despite that, few young people appreciate that, right.
Speaker 3: Few young people.
Speaker 4: Know the climate, the gun violence and studentifts as examples.
Speaker 1: Right, Right? Are they thinking about things more immediate to
Speaker 1: their lives? Is that why they're feeling differently?
Speaker 4: I don't think they're watching the news as closely.
Speaker 3: It's hard to get some of this information on the
Speaker 3: news so much what's in the news. That's a negative
Speaker 3: part one.
Speaker 4: But the other thing is compared to what the policy
Speaker 4: preferences are for seniors, Like you can feel two thousand
Speaker 4: dollars prescription drug cap, you know that that's immediate, right.
Speaker 4: You can see in your four one K right the record,
Speaker 4: the kind of the record performance. You can feel that
Speaker 4: these things may take a generation to actually feel with
Speaker 4: the exception of that.
Speaker 3: Really, so I wonder if.
Speaker 1: It made more sense if instead of if the idea
Speaker 1: is to make it useful in for for people that
Speaker 1: can be actionable, is the idea maybe to think of
Speaker 1: this more as a customer survey, the way that a
Speaker 1: corporation might to say, what is your satisfaction with the
Speaker 1: United States government or the government or your government or
Speaker 1: your life, and how would what would improve it?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Do they do that?
Speaker 4: We essentially do that. We essentially like a customer survey.
Speaker 4: It is essentially a customer survey, and I will tell
Speaker 4: you it was pretty tricky, very difficult twenty five years
Speaker 4: ago when we started. We have been honored inside the RNC,
Speaker 4: the DNC. Our students have brief the administration, the Obama adminstration,
Speaker 4: of the Trumpe adminstration, and the.
Speaker 3: Biden demonstration directly.
Speaker 4: So we are honored because of the work of the
Speaker 4: young people who craft the questions here that we do
Speaker 4: have the ears and.
Speaker 1: You think there's an understanding now of this. Are you
Speaker 1: finding the kind of polarization that we see on social media?
Speaker 1: And is the algorithm driving their opinions in a way
Speaker 1: that wasn't happening to five years ago.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And of course there's no equal side to the algorithm, right,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 1: Is it radicalizing this generation?
Speaker 4: I think there's an element of it, for sure. I
Speaker 4: certainly think there's an element of those people who feel
Speaker 4: like the kind of the the kind of the backlash right,
Speaker 4: who who don't feel connected.
Speaker 3: The thing about this generation is essentially.
Speaker 4: Two thirds of this generation share a relatively common set
Speaker 4: of values in terms of what's important for government.
Speaker 3: To focus on it to fight for right.
Speaker 4: So if you're a part of that one third who
Speaker 4: feels disconnected, there is that opportunity. I do think with
Speaker 4: these algorithms to go into some pretty dark places.
Speaker 1: Where's the disconnect. Is the disconnect from the media, from
Speaker 1: how the politicians utilize that information, from their own misunderstanding
Speaker 1: of how the world should listen to them, you know.
Speaker 4: Where where is then the disconnect? I think it's I
Speaker 4: think it's all of the above. I do think that
Speaker 4: young people, you know, they used information quickly, right, They're
Speaker 4: used to you know, asking for some in receiving it
Speaker 4: you know, in an instant or being delivered to them, right,
Speaker 4: So there does need to be I think some greater
Speaker 4: appreciation for the system and the process Part one. But
Speaker 4: like governments in specifically the government and political parties need
Speaker 4: to understand that elections are won and lost.
Speaker 3: Based upon what young people think.
Speaker 4: These days, forty percent, forty percent of the electorate are
Speaker 4: going to be gen Z or millennials forty percent and
Speaker 4: this coming election, this selection come election, gen.
Speaker 3: Z and millennials. Okay, they have a shared set.
Speaker 1: Of values and you and you're right in there that
Speaker 1: their passion will save this country.
Speaker 3: I do think so.
Speaker 4: I do think so because as I talked about the
Speaker 4: severe kind of anxiety and depression that they have.
Speaker 3: But in many cases other generations.
Speaker 4: Okay, who feel that way, it's normal to actually, you know, flee, okay,
Speaker 4: and to run away. But this generation is decided to
Speaker 4: use all the tools, as David Hogg, the Parkland activist,
Speaker 4: talks about, in their civic toolbox, to fix problems and
Speaker 4: to stand up for the vulnerable, whether it's voting, whether
Speaker 4: it's protesting.
Speaker 1: Do you really think they're different than past young generations.
Speaker 1: I mean, that kind of idealism and that kind of
Speaker 1: actimism has always been a part of that. And then
Speaker 1: everybody gets jobs and says.
Speaker 3: It well, listen.
Speaker 1: Generally, I mean that's that's my experience. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the whole you know what happened the hippies, and the
Speaker 1: hippies turned into the uppies and they all went down
Speaker 1: to Wall Street, and you know it's I feel like
Speaker 1: we keep getting trapped in this cycle of like the
Speaker 1: children of the future, and you're like, yeah, they've been
Speaker 1: saying that forever, and the cycle keeps repeating as though
Speaker 1: we didn't also have the potential to do it. But
Speaker 1: we didn't and they.
Speaker 3: I think so. Two things. One is.
Speaker 4: This generation of younger voters voted it at twice the
Speaker 4: level as millennials. That's leg you can do, but still
Speaker 4: twice right when we were their age. When we were
Speaker 4: their age, fourteen, fifty teen percent of us voted okay.
Speaker 1: Now why we were building a society. We were out
Speaker 1: in the streets, bricks and more to building a society.
Speaker 4: And how to come right, not well right, for how
Speaker 4: to come So that's part that.
Speaker 3: That is part one.
Speaker 4: But I am telling you that they are committed, they
Speaker 4: are committed to dealing with these issues because I'll tell
Speaker 4: you why.
Speaker 1: We're just the ones you talked to. That's only my curiosity.
Speaker 1: I have two left. Everybody, you don't talk to me,
Speaker 1: you didn't talk to my kids, you'd come on here
Speaker 1: tonight and go. They just like watching Netflix. They really
Speaker 1: It's it's do you understand what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 1: we tend to want to look at it and make
Speaker 1: sweeping judgments about who these kids are, and we tend
Speaker 1: to then simplify it into a monolith. And that is
Speaker 1: the first step in misunderstanding and misrepresenting what they actually do.
Speaker 1: I liked much more what you talked about when you
Speaker 1: broke them down and they started talking to you as individuals.
Speaker 1: It's it's maybe when we made when we have to
Speaker 1: take the reality of their lives and make them into data,
Speaker 1: that we go wrong. Is that possible?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 4: But in each generation does have kind of a central identity.
Speaker 4: So for example, Gen xers, okay, we were in terms
Speaker 4: of politics and ideology split relatively same as many as conservatives,
Speaker 4: as liberals, probably as Democrats, whereas this generation is different.
Speaker 3: The reason that this generation is different, this.
Speaker 4: Is important that no generation, no generation since the Greatest Generation,
Speaker 4: has dealt with more chaos, more trauma, more quickly than
Speaker 4: jen z.
Speaker 3: All of this at their at their footsteps before the
Speaker 3: age of twenty five. Listen to me, Listen to.
Speaker 1: This is completely true. When I was growing up, Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King was killed, John F. Kennedy was killed, Robert
Speaker 1: Kennedy was killed, The Vietnam War was on, and then
Speaker 1: there was water and.
Speaker 4: We put someone on the moon. We came together for that.
Speaker 4: This generation, this generation.
Speaker 1: But did the gate all the other shit? It did not.
Speaker 1: It did not.
Speaker 3: And every generation has their trauma. This generation hasn't seen
Speaker 3: America at our best.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: When was the last time.
Speaker 4: When was the last time your kids felt good about
Speaker 4: being American and connected to everybody this morning?
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah? Again, this is the kind of generalization that
Speaker 1: I think I take issue with that idea that like,
Speaker 1: this generation has had challenges in a way that no
Speaker 1: one else has. I just think that's putting upon them
Speaker 1: a sense of a victimhood that is not necessarily and
Speaker 1: I think can can ultimately have them play into that identity,
Speaker 1: as opposed to saying, yeah, man, your perspective is this
Speaker 1: is the worst the world has ever been. But I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you something. The world is hard, and
Speaker 1: it's horrible sometimes and it' spens out of control, and
Speaker 1: all we can do is fight every day to make
Speaker 1: the world more look like the one that you want
Speaker 1: it to be. But to treat them as though they
Speaker 1: have faced some kind of condition that is so anathematic.
Speaker 1: Everything that all these other generations have faced doesn't feel
Speaker 1: real to me.
Speaker 3: I didn't say more than all of the generations.
Speaker 1: What I said since the greatest generation.
Speaker 4: And the difference though, is without seeing America united. The
Speaker 4: difference between a millennial, in my view, in a gen
Speaker 4: zer is a millennial. Remember September eleventh and September twelfth
Speaker 4: and thirteenth, for that period of time, when we came together,
Speaker 4: a red county in a blue county hung the flag.
Speaker 3: We came together.
Speaker 1: It's today.
Speaker 3: It was a short pair of fact.
Speaker 5: But this this generation doesn't understand that, and it's been
Speaker 5: division after division, and it would be easy for them,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, to not engage in politics, not try
Speaker 5: to work with other people, to try to much of that.
Speaker 1: Is a fiction. How much of that is imposed upon
Speaker 1: them through the algorithm and through the media that somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, we were just talking about this. A young
Speaker 1: woman in the audience said, how do you remain hopeful,
Speaker 1: And I said, the way I remain hopeful is to
Speaker 1: separate the world that you read about and hear about
Speaker 1: on the news and in the algorithm from the world
Speaker 1: that you experience as a human being every day. And
Speaker 1: aren't we by creating these data points of the horror
Speaker 1: that they all live in. Like, yeah, it sucks to
Speaker 1: have shooter drills, but we had nuclear war drills where
Speaker 1: we hit under desks, right, And I didn't know that
Speaker 1: much about the atomic bomb, but I was pretty sure
Speaker 1: my desk wouldn't help. But do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Like too, So we create this mythology around these things
Speaker 1: that is part of that separation.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing.
Speaker 4: Seeing children slaughtered in schools we didn't see a nuclear
Speaker 4: war is not mythology.
Speaker 1: But we were seeing in Vietnam. We were seeing I mean.
Speaker 4: Right, no, we are and we are seeing that. But
Speaker 4: what I'm telling you is, I listen the elements of this.
Speaker 4: I agree, and we collectively should be putting this into
Speaker 4: context for people.
Speaker 3: It does stress them out. I agree with that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I agree with that.
Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is that we just we don't
Speaker 4: have to agree that. But We just have to understand
Speaker 4: the way that they feel and where they're coming from
Speaker 4: and help them, help themselves and help us.
Speaker 3: That's all. That's my message.
Speaker 4: And in these issues are real because we could work
Speaker 4: a summer job as an intern or cutting grass and
Speaker 4: afford a four year I mean one year tuition a
Speaker 4: public of private university.
Speaker 3: We could do that in the fifties, sixties, seventies, and eighties.
Speaker 3: Young people can't do that today.
Speaker 4: Okay, young you could work a one job and afford
Speaker 4: a house.
Speaker 3: These are the rights.
Speaker 4: Not only are is this generation losing reproductive healthcare from
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court, but this is a generation who feels
Speaker 4: like they're losing other rights. The rights to attend a
Speaker 4: college without going broke if you work hard, right, the
Speaker 4: rights to own a home or a piece of property.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Those are the rights.
Speaker 1: And isn't that a different conversation. Isn't that that's it?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: It's about an It's not. Listen, young people live in
Speaker 1: the same economy that we all live in. And you know,
Speaker 1: I would look at it like sometimes we'll think like
Speaker 1: I happen to be in an unbelievably fortunate situation, But
Speaker 1: I look at the crunch that people feel, you know,
Speaker 1: just as they get into middle age after having worked
Speaker 1: for so long, and they just get to that college
Speaker 1: age where they're putting their kids through college, their parents
Speaker 1: start to need help and you're in that crazy squeeze.
Speaker 1: But separating that through generations isn't isn't that losing the
Speaker 1: overall thread economically?
Speaker 4: There is clearly economic stress around all Americans right now,
Speaker 4: right right listen, before we did the survey, do we.
Speaker 1: Really need to talk to the gen z anymore before that?
Speaker 1: Don't we know enough already? I watch the TikTok it's
Speaker 1: everywhere are they? Do they? Do you think social media
Speaker 1: has hurt them?
Speaker 3: Unquestionably it's hurt them, really, yeah, it's hurt them.
Speaker 1: What would you do to ameliorate this feeling that gen
Speaker 1: Z is having? And and two? Or has it helped
Speaker 1: them organize? And so you wouldn't lose it because it's
Speaker 1: a double edge.
Speaker 4: There's it's certainly some pro storysm I mean, there are
Speaker 4: folks who feel vulnerable who can find community on that
Speaker 4: space where they can find in their own in their
Speaker 4: own community, and that's good, right, they can organize from it.
Speaker 4: But the degree to which fear is instilled in their lives.
Speaker 4: I was talking the other day in terms of what
Speaker 4: people are anxious about, and a lot of young men
Speaker 4: I talk to you have feeds every morning of car crashes,
Speaker 4: like horrible, horrible car crushes in their TikTok Instagram feeds
Speaker 4: where they're concerned about driving to work.
Speaker 3: The economic fears about what. Yeah, like in terms of
Speaker 3: the algorithms.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it just feeds them carfe.
Speaker 4: Car crashes to them, It feeds car crashes.
Speaker 1: How the does that even start?
Speaker 4: That's just one of That's just that's kind of one example.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? All I get is that one
Speaker 1: girl going on two days into college and on three
Speaker 1: leg shows behind, and then it's just a thousand people
Speaker 1: dancing to that.
Speaker 3: That's your's that's you, that's your algorithm. Right, that's uh,
Speaker 3: they find you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it wrong. Thank you very much for coming by.
Speaker 1: Harvard's John Delabobe.
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