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Speaker 3: This is Jake Hoefer and this week we have a
Speaker 3: great episode with Derek Dixon of White Tail Research and
Speaker 3: to keep the theme of July about technology and summer scouting,
Speaker 3: this breaks down some of his findings over the years
Speaker 3: with thousands of flights with a thermal drone. And I
Speaker 3: know there's a little controversy with that, but I think
Speaker 3: the information and intel that Derek is able to provide
Speaker 3: can certainly be helpful and useful. We talk about summer
Speaker 3: bachelor groups and what actually happens before the season and
Speaker 3: what happens as all the different things shift and change
Speaker 3: as we build up to your opening day. As you know,
Speaker 3: Wired Hunt is brought to you by Multrie. So without
Speaker 3: further ado, let's go in to kick things off with
Speaker 3: Derek from white Tail Research.
Speaker 2: Derek, Welcome to Wired. How you doing, Yeah, man, thanks
Speaker 2: for having me on.
Speaker 3: Absolutely so it's July, and excitement is getting to be
Speaker 3: very high for all deer hunters. They have likely to
Speaker 3: point cell cameras, there's maybe some deer that they remember
Speaker 3: from the previous year. And I want to dive into
Speaker 3: some of the different trends that maybe you've been able
Speaker 3: to observe with the work that you do with your
Speaker 3: thermal drone and a lot of the resources you put
Speaker 3: out there. But before we get into all of that,
Speaker 3: is there anything new or exciting that you want to
Speaker 3: share that I might not ask.
Speaker 2: I want to get that out of way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I could take you down a lot
Speaker 4: of rabbit holes with that conversation, because I've recently started
Speaker 4: researching arrows. I've been researching turkeys for the last four
Speaker 4: months or so now, and there's a lot of cool
Speaker 4: findings with that. Really the turkey thing, though, I think
Speaker 4: it it didn't it didn't dive down the avenues that
Speaker 4: I wanted it to. I had an idea, I had
Speaker 4: a strategy, And the more I flew, the less turkeys
Speaker 4: I see in and the less turkeys I seen, the
Speaker 4: more questions I asked, and the more questions I asked,
Speaker 4: I just started getting shoved into these like one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty page PDFs for every single state and their
Speaker 4: conservation agency, and I'm tracking where all the money goes
Speaker 4: and all these different things. So I have a massive
Speaker 4: video related to turkeys that's going to come out. I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's going to be this year, just
Speaker 4: because the timing might not be right for it anymore
Speaker 4: because of how how much work I've done for it.
Speaker 4: I might wait until next year to post the big video,
Speaker 4: but I'll probably have a small stipit and get get
Speaker 4: posted out. But anything, if anything, I'm gonna have some
Speaker 4: arrow research or an arrow related video coming out before season,
Speaker 4: which will be pretty interesting, just because that's something that
Speaker 4: I've always been really passionate about.
Speaker 2: I'm a nerd about it. And I'm going to be doing.
Speaker 4: Some broadhead testing and not just like testing five broadheads,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to literally buy every broadhead that's manufactured
Speaker 4: that's that's labeled for penant know, highlight, high level penetration,
Speaker 4: and you like, for reference. If you just look at
Speaker 4: a mechanical broadhead company, if they have ten broad heads
Speaker 4: that they sell, then I'm going to look for that
Speaker 4: smallest diameter cut titanium, like what is what do they
Speaker 4: claim penetrates the best? And I'm going to own every
Speaker 4: single one of those and then we're gonna go head
Speaker 4: to head. Maybe I can get a slow O camera
Speaker 4: and some other stuff, but we'll see. So yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I but I could. Yeah, yeah, don't ask that question.
Speaker 4: I could, We would, We will derail this conversation quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well that's uh. I look forward to to checking that out.
Speaker 3: So I do want to talk about farm Country. You
Speaker 3: recently released a video in regard to some of the
Speaker 3: different things that that you have been able to find there,
Speaker 3: and so.
Speaker 2: I guess getting right into it.
Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned that ad Country is basically a
Speaker 3: white tail feed lot in a lot of in a
Speaker 3: lot of scenarios. What surprised you most once you actually
Speaker 3: started putting, you know, numbers to buck Todough ratio general
Speaker 3: deer density in comparison to to where you fly most
Speaker 3: often in Missouri?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I knew that.
Speaker 4: I knew the deer numbers were going to be higher, right,
Speaker 4: So I started driving through these agriculture areas with prime
Speaker 4: Ryperian habitat and I'm looking around the entire time, and
Speaker 4: you know, from my area, if I drive through a
Speaker 4: section of habitat that looks anything like it did in
Speaker 4: the areas that I was in with agriculture, then I'm
Speaker 4: automatically looking to the back of the fields. I'm looking
Speaker 4: for deer in those areas because it's just got hunters know,
Speaker 4: you know, the passive instinct whenever you drive through an
Speaker 4: area and it's like, oh man, there could be a
Speaker 4: deer over there, and you're just you're kind of looking
Speaker 4: at the back of a field. In that setting and
Speaker 4: agriculture setting I was. I was in like like a
Speaker 4: child in a candy shop type setting. My wife was
Speaker 4: having to keep me in control looking at the highway
Speaker 4: driving because I mean everywhere, I just felt like there
Speaker 4: should be deer everywhere, and there there was. And I
Speaker 4: got the drawn up in the sky and helped verify that.
Speaker 4: And you know, the initial part of it, I think
Speaker 4: I even said on the video, is that I was
Speaker 4: going to do a population analysis, just a basic get
Speaker 4: get a herd count, and then also I wanted to
Speaker 4: know dot to buck ratio. Maybe if I get to
Speaker 4: dissect fawns from the ratio as well, which I was
Speaker 4: able to, but I just kind of lumped them in
Speaker 4: with does, and I think sixty bucks is what I
Speaker 4: what i'd rated it at. But in the end, I mean,
Speaker 4: whenever I flew up the drone, it was just immediately like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this is I'm gonna be here a minute.
Speaker 4: And I actually ended up doing the main portion of
Speaker 4: the analysis right at dark and I was just flying
Speaker 4: a straight bead line and I would zoom the camera
Speaker 4: in and I would immediately pop it back off and
Speaker 4: zoom on the next year, pop it back off, zoom
Speaker 4: on the next year. And the entire time, I had
Speaker 4: a guy next to me, and normally I drop pins,
Speaker 4: I'll drop color coded pins for that entire process, but
Speaker 4: there were so many deer I just didn't have and
Speaker 4: have the time I needed to dough buck, dough buck,
Speaker 4: dough buck, and if it was anything that was over
Speaker 4: three and a half, then I would say, good buck,
Speaker 4: and then I would just keep going. And that guy's
Speaker 4: sitting there next to me and he's just tally marking
Speaker 4: its the thing that I did, and we were I
Speaker 4: think it took two days to do two different properties
Speaker 4: in this one place and then the other one. I
Speaker 4: did it for a full day and it was actually
Speaker 4: cloudy and a little rainy for that process, but I
Speaker 4: walked away with I mean, there was no way I
Speaker 4: wasn't within the ninety plus percent i'll of accuracy in
Speaker 4: terms of how many deer were there. There were some
Speaker 4: areas is where maybe it was a little thicker and
Speaker 4: I may have glassed it over a little bit too easy.
Speaker 4: But that kind of gets down to the point where
Speaker 4: in the video I'd said, maybe I kind of skimmed
Speaker 4: the edges of a section of habitat that you know,
Speaker 4: that right Parian habitat, that little bit thicker density habitat,
Speaker 4: and I would decide there's got to be something in there,
Speaker 4: so I'd kind of go back and recomb over it.
Speaker 4: Even though most of the year late in the evening,
Speaker 4: early in the morning they're out in the open, still
Speaker 4: felt like there had to be something just tucked away
Speaker 4: back in there. And oftentimes whenever I would do that,
Speaker 4: it'd be a mature buck. And really that kind of
Speaker 4: leads to the probably the coolest finding, and I just
Speaker 4: I can't, you know, it's impossible to say for certain
Speaker 4: that this is a common trend, but it was so
Speaker 4: consistent where you would fly up, you'd locate a handful
Speaker 4: of mature box across one of these agriculture properties, and
Speaker 4: then you would just pull up on X and look
Speaker 4: for the areas that you hadn't flown yet, these sections
Speaker 4: of habitat that look like there should be betting there,
Speaker 4: and it's like, okay, I'm going to go check out
Speaker 4: this section, this section, this section, and they're all, you know,
Speaker 4: around one hundred acre blocks away from one another. You'd
Speaker 4: go check out each section and there'd be another mature
Speaker 4: buck in that in that little spot, and it's like,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, that's just it was just always fascinating.
Speaker 4: Rarely did they overlap, though there were. There was a
Speaker 4: portion I think it was November fifth, whenever I was there.
Speaker 4: They think this was in Indiana as well, November fifth,
Speaker 4: and whenever I was flying, mature bucks were overlapping. And
Speaker 4: that's because there were like three dos in estris in
Speaker 4: this one kind of core spot and they were all competing.
Speaker 4: But even in that setting, there was one buck that
Speaker 4: was beyond dominant over all the other ones he had,
Speaker 4: and he was missing his entire right side. He was
Speaker 4: like three hundred and twenty pounds, just a freak of
Speaker 4: nature and looked like he wanted to murder everybody, and
Speaker 4: I think all the other deer recognized that. They just
Speaker 4: kind of they stayed back and observed him. But he
Speaker 4: was he was highly aggressive. And there were mature bucks
Speaker 4: overlapping in that within one hundred acre blocks, of course,
Speaker 4: But for the most part though, whenever they were all
Speaker 4: bedded down, it was really interesting. They were they were
Speaker 4: very evenly spaced. I mean, you could just draw lines
Speaker 4: and connect through habitat and it's like, yeah, there should
Speaker 4: be a mature buck there, there, there there, and if
Speaker 4: you flew and checked it, there almost always was. So
Speaker 4: that's interesting. So it was it was fully stocked, fully stocked. Yes,
Speaker 4: there were no gaps whereas you know habitat in this area.
Speaker 4: You could attempt to do the same exact thing and
Speaker 4: say you have a thousand acres, but I mean there's
Speaker 4: only four mature bucks across one thousand acres, So in
Speaker 4: that setting you're you're not going to be able to
Speaker 4: do one one mature buck per one hundred acres because
Speaker 4: they're just it's not fully stocked, as you just said.
Speaker 2: So, m.
Speaker 3: Another thing that I found interesting was, you know, I
Speaker 3: think a lot of hunters assume you know and base
Speaker 3: off what you're saying here as well as you know
Speaker 3: mature bucks. But a lot of hunters, I feel, assume
Speaker 3: that ad country just automatically equates to giant, very high
Speaker 3: end deer. What did you find and how did the
Speaker 3: match up to expectations or predictions before you did?
Speaker 2: Did that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was finding deer with a lot of
Speaker 4: abnormalities in comparison. So like I found one deer he
Speaker 4: had a double main beam on the left side. We
Speaker 4: found another deers main friend tany had a double main
Speaker 4: beam on the right side, and he actually may have
Speaker 4: been a gross over one hundred and seventy inches. But
Speaker 4: in terms of just sitting down and saying you found it,
Speaker 4: you know, a straight typical one seventy plus, I didn't
Speaker 4: find one, not one that I could confirm. There was
Speaker 4: one that was close, but even then I think he
Speaker 4: was a little younger. If he survived, maybe he'll be
Speaker 4: in that class next year. I definitely think that. You know,
Speaker 4: I someone had shown me trailcam pictures of a property
Speaker 4: next door and there was this main frame eight and
Speaker 4: he was like one hundred and sixty five hundred and
Speaker 4: seventy inch main frame eight so it's like, obviously they
Speaker 4: grow the big deer. But I think the biggest consensus
Speaker 4: that I walked away with is that just the overall
Speaker 4: average of total inches that these mature bucks are capping
Speaker 4: out on is significantly higher than my area. My area,
Speaker 4: you'll find one hundred and fifteen to one hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty inches is kind of common that area. It was
Speaker 4: very uncommon to see anything under one hundred and thirty inches,
Speaker 4: and I'd say the average was in the one forties.
Speaker 4: And with that, I mean even then, it's kind of
Speaker 4: hard to discern inches off of a drone with that
Speaker 4: type of person respective, it's really difficult to gain time
Speaker 4: length in actual mass measurements throughout and I've I've played
Speaker 4: around with guessing on stuff like that and relocated their
Speaker 4: shed antlers, and I've had pretty good success with estimating.
Speaker 4: But in agriculture it's different because those deer are so big,
Speaker 4: their bodies are so massive, and their necks are so
Speaker 4: much bigger and swaller than in my area that it's
Speaker 4: a little bit more difficult to pin that down. Because
Speaker 4: I remember there was one deer that I had I
Speaker 4: had recorded him a couple weeks prior in early November,
Speaker 4: and I think three weeks later one of the guys
Speaker 4: had killed this buck with a bow and it wasn't
Speaker 4: a mega target buck. I mean, they had a lot
Speaker 4: of bucks to choose from, but he ended up scoring
Speaker 4: a little over one hundred and fifty inches and I
Speaker 4: never would have thought he went over one hundred and
Speaker 4: forty five. So he was like one fifty four or
Speaker 4: something like that, So scored significantly higher than I had
Speaker 4: estimated just off of the drone.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I mean just the general.
Speaker 4: Consensus though, is that they're they're just bigger. Everything's just
Speaker 4: a little bit bigger. And I think that a lot
Speaker 4: of that measurement actually comes from the mass just in general. No,
Speaker 4: obviously they'll have longer time length potentially and maybe longer
Speaker 4: main beams, but they definitely have a lot more mass
Speaker 4: in that area for sure. I Mean you can tell
Speaker 4: if you ever, if you ever pick up sheds from
Speaker 4: somebody that has like an Iowa property, you pick.
Speaker 2: Up that Iowa shows ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so heavy in comparison to something in my area,
Speaker 4: and the density is just not there.
Speaker 3: Were you shocked to not find as many you know,
Speaker 3: quote unquote high end deer. Was that shocking to you
Speaker 3: or was it about what you expected?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, I felt like I would have found at least
Speaker 4: one true just undoubtedly whenever you've seen him. He was
Speaker 4: a Boon and Crocket deer, and the only deer that
Speaker 4: I think going into it. They had one other on
Speaker 4: trail camera that they thought potentially would have been, but
Speaker 4: I never found him, and that was on a smaller property.
Speaker 4: And then that the other buck that could have been,
Speaker 4: you know, an actual, true, typical Boon and Crockett. Was
Speaker 4: that that buck with the broken side that was just
Speaker 4: dominant as all get out in three hundred and twenty pounds,
Speaker 4: but he was missing one side and he was six
Speaker 4: by six, so you could look at his other side
Speaker 4: and kind of gauge tine length and mass and he
Speaker 4: would have came close. But ultimately, yeah, I thought that
Speaker 4: I would have found one at least one and walked
Speaker 4: away with the fact that just an undeniable Boon and Crockett.
Speaker 4: And the crazy thing is, you know, I was looking
Speaker 4: at deer like that in this area, in their area
Speaker 4: for agriculture, and then I'm looking back at my deer
Speaker 4: that I researched in southern Missouri, and I don't have
Speaker 4: the numbers that they do in terms of total deer,
Speaker 4: but every once in a while, we always get that anomaly,
Speaker 4: like one or two anomalies every single year within a
Speaker 4: three thousand acre block in southern Missouri. And I've seen
Speaker 4: this across multiple areas. I've done tracking jobs for guys
Speaker 4: whenever I'm flying and we'll find this random five y
Speaker 4: five or six by six and he's just absolutely anything
Speaker 4: beyond a deer they've ever seen before.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, where's that.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, I'm not gonna tell you, but it's
Speaker 4: a pretty big Deer's it's cool that you guys have
Speaker 4: some genetics like that in this area. But like last year,
Speaker 4: I researched this mainframe ten five by five and he
Speaker 4: was a four years old estimated, potentially even three and
Speaker 4: a half. If if you had asked someone like Bill
Speaker 4: wink or something on their property, they would automatically say, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's three and a half year old. But from my area,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that he's probably in the fours. And I
Speaker 4: found one of his shed antlers. He's one hundred and
Speaker 4: sixty inch deer all day long with an eighteen inch spread,
Speaker 4: and he may have had a wider spread than that.
Speaker 4: So we can produce deer at the same level in
Speaker 4: these other areas.
Speaker 2: It's just they're.
Speaker 4: Definitely more of an anomaly whenever it happens, whereas up
Speaker 4: there it's pretty consistent to find. If you want to
Speaker 4: find a deer over one hundred and fifty inches, then
Speaker 4: if you have a thousand acres available to you're likely
Speaker 4: going to have a deer over one hundred and fifty inches.
Speaker 2: We're down here, you might not have him.
Speaker 4: He might fringe on you every once in a while
Speaker 4: on that thousand acres, but you're not going to have
Speaker 4: him as a quarter buck on your property for.
Speaker 3: Someone that wants to tap into kind of the you
Speaker 3: mentioned you looked at some spots on the map and say, hey,
Speaker 3: there should be a mature buck here, there should be
Speaker 3: potentially a mature buck here. And when he flewed the
Speaker 3: drone you found those I mean, were those on within
Speaker 3: you mentioned you know, riparian areas, so you know river
Speaker 3: or a large creek or something like that. Were they
Speaker 3: just one hundred and fifty two hundred yards off the
Speaker 3: creek or were they ten yards off the creek, or
Speaker 3: were they on an ox bow, were they on different contours?
Speaker 2: Like? What, what did you see that you're willing to share? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean most of them were on ox bos.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's that's been pretty well understood
Speaker 4: from a lot of guys. I mean, whenever you have
Speaker 4: habitat like that that's so limited and you want to
Speaker 4: go in and scout it, it's pretty simple to kind
Speaker 4: of discern where deer betting down, just because the habitat
Speaker 4: allows for it, and it's such such a fragmented segment
Speaker 4: that you're actually scouting that it's pretty pretty easy to
Speaker 4: discern where they're actually betting. But generally in oxpos, but
Speaker 4: there's some areas where there's not an ox bow and
Speaker 4: the river just kind of halfway wonders or a little
Speaker 4: creek bed that's running through, and you know they're just
Speaker 4: betting all along it. Oftentimes these areas the right parent
Speaker 4: areas that I was flying around, they were anywhere from
Speaker 4: thirty yards to one hundred and fifty yards wide, and
Speaker 4: I mean they were packed with deer.
Speaker 2: Every single time. They're packed with deer.
Speaker 4: And oftentimes you'll have a mature buck that was betted
Speaker 4: down and he might have three domes off, you know,
Speaker 4: pretty close by him, and then he's going to have
Speaker 4: a handful of younger bucks that are all around him.
Speaker 4: And there's some deer that are betted right up right
Speaker 4: up against the creek, like they could almost lean their
Speaker 4: head off of the bank and take a drink if
Speaker 4: they wanted to, they're so close. And then sometimes they're
Speaker 4: pulled a little bit further back fifteen twenty yards. And
Speaker 4: there were a couple times where you'd find a mature
Speaker 4: buck and he'd just be betted right out on the edge
Speaker 4: of the woods, kind of right on that transition. So
Speaker 4: it's kind of hard to say that, yeah, they always
Speaker 4: bed the blank, but more often than not, whenever I
Speaker 4: was finding mature buck, he was either in an ox
Speaker 4: bow or he was in And this is probably the
Speaker 4: more more frequented. If I could say, like if I
Speaker 4: went and flew every ox bow on a property, there's
Speaker 4: a chance you're going to find a mature buck across
Speaker 4: you know, that habitat in the oxpos. But in an
Speaker 4: agriculture setting, if there's a field that's left into native grasses,
Speaker 4: that field will almost always whenever I was flying at
Speaker 4: least and you know, I can't say always. It's sign science,
Speaker 4: you can't say always, but very very likely there's a
Speaker 4: mature buck betted out in that native grass field, whatever
Speaker 4: it was left into, whether it was just burned and
Speaker 4: allowed to grow up and it's waste to chest high.
Speaker 4: Very common mature bucks were out in those in comparison
Speaker 4: to an ox bow, and you know, they're almost always
Speaker 4: on the right parian habitat, but if you if you
Speaker 4: intermix that with this native grass field, they really take
Speaker 4: a preference to being out in that native grass field
Speaker 4: versus kind of back near where all the other deer
Speaker 4: at I was seeing.
Speaker 3: Did you notice, and I don't know how hard did
Speaker 3: this to tell with the with the drone, but when
Speaker 3: they were betted in the native grasses, were they typically
Speaker 3: like on a slight knoll? Were they you know, like,
Speaker 3: was there any sort of change within that terrain although
Speaker 3: maya have been a little bit subtle, But did you
Speaker 3: notice any sort of trend or was it just on
Speaker 3: the edge of the native grasses?
Speaker 4: Because yeah, so for the most part, what I was
Speaker 4: seeing that a lot of that habitat is pretty flat.
Speaker 4: I would say if you had terrain changes that maybe
Speaker 4: they'll take a preference to betting a little bit higher potentially,
Speaker 4: but I think more than more often than not, whenever
Speaker 4: you get in a setting like that, it's so dense
Speaker 4: and it's so thick that if you human decide to
Speaker 4: ride anee bike or walk through it, and you're walking
Speaker 4: through the edge of it, he's just he's not going
Speaker 4: to get up, he's not going to move. You could
Speaker 4: walk ten yards next to him in a lot of
Speaker 4: those settings and you're never going to see him.
Speaker 2: You might hear him breathing before you see him, and
Speaker 2: I've actually done that before.
Speaker 4: But where you hear dear breathing before you actually see him,
Speaker 4: then you start walking and inspecting what that is, and
Speaker 4: then a buck bounces out of it. So no, more
Speaker 4: often than not that I think they're just kind of
Speaker 4: hanging out with twenty yards or more from the wood
Speaker 4: edge and they're just they're just bedded out in the
Speaker 4: middle of it because they feel very secure in that setting.
Speaker 2: They can hear, they can smell.
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you add it in a little bit
Speaker 4: of train, I know that I've seen there were there
Speaker 4: were some situations where you would have a field like that,
Speaker 4: or maybe just maybe it was a field of corn
Speaker 4: or soybeans or something, and then there was this random
Speaker 4: knob that came up out of it, and that knob
Speaker 4: they didn't plant into agriculture in order did they burn
Speaker 4: for you know, their native field or anything, and it
Speaker 4: was just left into these kind of shriked be trees.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of times those guys that I
Speaker 4: was with, they were they were assuming that deer were
Speaker 4: betting out on those, and rarely did I find a
Speaker 4: buck or a dough actually betted on them. I found
Speaker 4: them betted nearby them, whether that was in the field,
Speaker 4: if it was a native field, or if it was
Speaker 4: agriculture being used for agriculture, then being betted on the
Speaker 4: opposing side of it, back near the woods. But seldom
Speaker 4: did I actually find them betted on those random obscure knobs.
Speaker 2: Not to say they won't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you if you've walked them and you've
Speaker 4: seen deer betting on them, that I'm sure they will.
Speaker 4: But in my example, I didn't see them betting on
Speaker 4: those as frequently.
Speaker 2: Mhm, what how would.
Speaker 3: How much different is the like more type of hill
Speaker 3: country terrain where there's lower deer density h versus ag
Speaker 3: country like where you just like, man, I want to
Speaker 3: schedule a trip to go hun high country because it's
Speaker 3: way more I mean, because I've talked to l different
Speaker 3: guys and I have no doubt that hunting big woods
Speaker 3: is much much, much, much more challenging than you know,
Speaker 3: the majority of the Midwest. How would you illustrate that,
Speaker 3: you know, comparing contrast of those two different habitat tites.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean, I think it depends on your
Speaker 4: weapon of choice, right, I mean, if you're going out
Speaker 4: with a rifle, then I guarantee you I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to go to the agriculture property every time.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't ever dabble in hill country or any of
Speaker 4: these other settings. I'll go with a rifle. But if
Speaker 4: I wanted to kill something with a bow, I personally
Speaker 4: would feel more comfortable in hill country because in that
Speaker 4: setting I can utilize in my style of hill country.
Speaker 4: There's different variations of hill countries. Some can be more subtle,
Speaker 4: some can have more timber. My style of hill country
Speaker 4: that I'm talking about is actual decent elevation changes that
Speaker 4: cut that forces travel with intermixed habitats. So you have
Speaker 4: a couple forms of habitats you have saddles, you have
Speaker 4: you know, these train driven funnels, and you can kind
Speaker 4: of piece that together and discern where these deer have
Speaker 4: to travel across to form a terrain, and then it
Speaker 4: makes you a lot more effective hunter, whereas an agriculture
Speaker 4: a lot of times you're not going to get those
Speaker 4: trained driven features. There was one property that I did
Speaker 4: in agriculture actually that had a block of timber, and
Speaker 4: that block of timber had these really steep ditches in
Speaker 4: it that was forcing travel and that setting, I mean,
Speaker 4: that would make it kind of a bow hunter, slash
Speaker 4: rifle hunter's heaven, and then it was it was an
Speaker 4: amazing property. But more often, more often than not, if
Speaker 4: you're in an agriculture setting and you don't have that
Speaker 4: train driven excluding the creek beds where maybe you have
Speaker 4: a really steep bank up along the creek bed that
Speaker 4: you can mark and say deer don't walk up and
Speaker 4: down that, they'll walk around it. But beyond that, if
Speaker 4: you don't have any more train features, then bow hunting
Speaker 4: it becomes a little bit more difficult in my opinion,
Speaker 4: because you have so many deer at that point, you
Speaker 4: have so many eyes, so many noses that you're trying
Speaker 4: to full and the only benefit you get out of
Speaker 4: that that they're being such a high deer density is
Speaker 4: if you move into an area and you bump twenty deer,
Speaker 4: it's not unlikely that you're going to have twenty more
Speaker 4: deer move back through. I think I said then the video,
Speaker 4: and that's a good feature. Whereas in hill country, if
Speaker 4: you accidentally your wind swirls or something happens and you
Speaker 4: bump the deer that are moving through your particular area
Speaker 4: out in front of you, say a group of five
Speaker 4: dos or maybe a younger buck, and they decide I
Speaker 4: had to bump out. Well, they probably just alerted all
Speaker 4: the other deer within three hundred yards of that area,
Speaker 4: and now everyone's going to kind of halfway avoid your
Speaker 4: location a little bit more, and you're not going to
Speaker 4: have another group of twenty bucks or twenty deer moved
Speaker 4: through that area. You might have a cruising mature buck
Speaker 4: still moved through that spot, but very unlikely in comparison
Speaker 4: to the agriculture setting. So yeah, no, they definitely have
Speaker 4: their big differences. But if I was hunting with a bow,
Speaker 4: I would want to stand hill country, and if I
Speaker 4: was hunting with a rifle, I'd want to go to agriculture.
Speaker 2: That's kind of my consensus on that.
Speaker 3: Those farms you were flying in the Midwest rag country
Speaker 3: were you able to were those hunted or how heavily
Speaker 3: were they hunted or when? Like did you have any
Speaker 3: background information of like, oh, yeah, a guy was hunting
Speaker 3: in there yesterday, or was there any of that intel
Speaker 3: or data that people are obviously wonder like what does
Speaker 3: pressure do it? Like, well, here's what this one example
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I tried to do a couple of studies
Speaker 4: where I actually had guys just that we're going to
Speaker 4: be hunting that day anyways that didn't even know that
Speaker 4: I was out out here with the drone and I
Speaker 4: was with the landowner, and me and the landowner were
Speaker 4: kind of together, and then this guy was off doing
Speaker 4: his own thing and he would go out and hunt,
Speaker 4: and I would observe him and the deer moving around
Speaker 4: him and the effects that he was having. And I
Speaker 4: had a point to go off of that. And now
Speaker 4: my brain completely blamed. I started going down that I
Speaker 4: had a really good point to go off of that.
Speaker 4: But that's okay, But yeah, I mean, ultimately it just
Speaker 4: kind of seed seemed similar as to what you what
Speaker 4: you would normally think that the deer are going to
Speaker 4: be bouncing around you. One guy actually did hunt a
Speaker 4: out of a tree stand, and that guy, I don't
Speaker 4: think he had a single deer come within fifty yards
Speaker 4: of him. So, and he was in a pretty flat area.
Speaker 4: He was nearby creek bed. I think he was attempting
Speaker 4: to utilize the wind to shove his scent into the
Speaker 4: creek bed. But at the same time, I think that
Speaker 4: that wind was a little bit swirly, it was kind
Speaker 4: of low. It was you know, five mile prior wins,
Speaker 4: so it wasn't benefiting him much. And then a lot
Speaker 4: of the other hunters they were just climbing up into
Speaker 4: box blinds and sitting and you know, in a lot
Speaker 4: of those settings, once the guy made it into the
Speaker 4: box blind, then he was invisibled all the deer around him.
Speaker 4: And oftentimes they were utilizing a UTV or a tractor
Speaker 4: or something to get into that box blind, and whenever
Speaker 4: the UTV would pull up to the box blind, all
Speaker 4: the deer around. You know, say you've got a deer
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty yards away on an ox bow
Speaker 4: beted down a mature back. He'll just kind of halfway
Speaker 4: lift his head, won't even pay attention, He'll just keep
Speaker 4: looking forward. He might kind of halfway address that he
Speaker 4: heard something. But as long as that UTV stayed running
Speaker 4: and it pulled up, the guy got out, climbed up
Speaker 4: into his box blind, UTV turned around, drove away. Deer
Speaker 4: didn't even budget muscle, And then you know, forty five
Speaker 4: minutes later, deer stands up, moves out into the field,
Speaker 4: and he may have not walked into range. In fact,
Speaker 4: I don't think I ever recorded where a mature buck
Speaker 4: had moved into range of any of these hunters. You know,
Speaker 4: he's eighty to one hundred and fifty yards away. And
Speaker 4: that's kind of the big problem with agriculture. If you're
Speaker 4: wanting to hunt those box blinds and big open fields,
Speaker 4: is you're probably gonna see a lot of mature box
Speaker 4: and you can take pictures with your phone oftentimes, but
Speaker 4: unless you're able to really find, you know, finite your
Speaker 4: setup and get honed in on where those bucks are
Speaker 4: actually moving out into the field, it becomes pretty difficult
Speaker 4: to actually get on one with a bow. So and
Speaker 4: that that was pretty common is what I see. But uh,
Speaker 4: you know, oftentimes by utilizing those box lines and kind
Speaker 4: of a scent proof ish setup, they they weren't getting
Speaker 4: detected hardly at all, and it kind of benefited them,
Speaker 4: I think, but it also is kind of to the
Speaker 4: detriment and they were sitting and watching deer lot mm hmm.
Speaker 3: What in terms of for summer scouting too, Let's say,
Speaker 3: do you have any examples of where you were following
Speaker 3: a bachelor group or following a specific buck throughout the
Speaker 3: summer And you know, everyone there's a lot of theories
Speaker 3: and ideas about you know, summer shift and that there
Speaker 3: is a lot of changes that happen from summer to
Speaker 3: November in terms of habitat change. But for someone that
Speaker 3: is one of uh, you know, I got this awesome
Speaker 3: bachelor group, I'd kill I God, killed two out of
Speaker 3: the three bucks, and I'd be thrilled to do you
Speaker 3: know that to happen. What trends or relocations have you
Speaker 3: potentially been able to identify that would be helpful for
Speaker 3: someone to have in the back of their mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the number one trend for summer scouting
Speaker 4: in early season for my area, which would be southern
Speaker 4: Missouri is if you can find a bachelor group or
Speaker 4: in particular target buck that you're wanting to actually target
Speaker 4: and attempt to pattern. I think that that early season
Speaker 4: is the only time that you can truly potentially pattern
Speaker 4: a deer in his habits because he has limited cover
Speaker 4: sources that he's using. He's grown very accustomed to them
Speaker 4: over the summertime, and he has a handful selected and
Speaker 4: those are the ones that he utilizes very consistently. And
Speaker 4: then he kind of has a pretty stable food selection
Speaker 4: of food source that he's wanting to go out to,
Speaker 4: and it's about to change in the early season because
Speaker 4: you might have acorns drop and things that are happening.
Speaker 4: But that first week of season from my area, which
Speaker 4: would start on September fifteenth, that first week is almost
Speaker 4: always a section of timeframe where you can potentially pattern
Speaker 4: one of those bucks off of the summer if you
Speaker 4: go out and you're able to visually observe them where
Speaker 4: he's moving from his betting area, what he has as
Speaker 4: a food preference potentially, and his consistency in those areas,
Speaker 4: then yeah, I mean, you can sit around and delve
Speaker 4: up a plan as to how you want to get
Speaker 4: up on him and hunt that first week very aggressively,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, and I think that's part. Sometimes you'll
Speaker 4: see people and I have a friend that does this
Speaker 4: almost every year, where he'll enter the season a little
Speaker 4: bit cautiously because he doesn't want to mess anything up
Speaker 4: or shove those deer off of his property, and he
Speaker 4: wants to retain them deeper into the fall. But oftentimes
Speaker 4: a lot of those summer bachelor groups, they're gonna be
Speaker 4: dispersing anyways.
Speaker 2: You might keep a couple of them, but for the most.
Speaker 4: Part, a lot of them they're gonna move out into ranges,
Speaker 4: and their range might consist of you a little bit,
Speaker 4: but for the most part, a lot of those deer
Speaker 4: are going to move away. And he plays it really
Speaker 4: cautiously for that first week versus playing really aggressively. And
Speaker 4: because of that, oftentimes he sees those bucks pretty consistently
Speaker 4: because he knows where they're coming out at, he knows
Speaker 4: where he needs needs to be set up on. But
Speaker 4: he he just kind of feathers the edges and slowly
Speaker 4: moves in and tries to just not miss anything up
Speaker 4: but also potentially get a shot. And once a week passes,
Speaker 4: week and a half passes, then all those deer just
Speaker 4: you know, acorns start dropping, testosterone starts rising, and they
Speaker 4: start splitting, and he misses out on getting a shot
Speaker 4: on one that on.
Speaker 2: That first week.
Speaker 4: So, you know, I think the first week is everything
Speaker 4: as it pertains to summer patterning. And after that first
Speaker 4: week week and a half, then everything starts splitting up,
Speaker 4: and it does become pretty hectic and chaotic, even from
Speaker 4: a drum perspective, where you know, I was tracking a
Speaker 4: group of four bucks, you know, for a month and
Speaker 4: a half straight and leading up to season, and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, now I only have one of
Speaker 4: them remaining that I'm able to track. So now deer
Speaker 4: number fifty seven, you know, fifty eight and fifty nine
Speaker 4: are all gone, and I have to sit around and
Speaker 4: watch deer number sixty and continue to track him and
Speaker 4: still see if I can find those other three, but
Speaker 4: more often than not, they leave the area and I'm
Speaker 4: not able to relocate them.
Speaker 3: So in that that example, you know, fifty seven through sixty,
Speaker 3: the one that stayed, was that the most mature one
Speaker 3: or was that a subord in a buck?
Speaker 4: Yes, that was an example, but yeah, I have some
Speaker 4: real examples off of that. We're battery groups.
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. I don't know the exact numbers of
Speaker 2: those year whenever I.
Speaker 4: Was doing it, but Press is like, dang man, you
Speaker 4: got it right off the top of my head, And
Speaker 4: if I pulled up my notes, I can give you
Speaker 4: real numbers. I guess, but no. One example that I
Speaker 4: would have is I guess it was a group of
Speaker 4: five Bucks in that one and really oftentimes in my area,
Speaker 4: even a bachelor group, it's not going to be a
Speaker 4: bachelor group of five mature Bucks. It'll be a bacheler
Speaker 4: group of maybe like two or three and then a
Speaker 4: little bit younger bucks. And yeah, you might, you just
Speaker 4: kind of have to roll the dice. But if you
Speaker 4: end up having the better habitat and that group of
Speaker 4: five Bucks are already in that core area, you're your area,
Speaker 4: and you're able to see them visually and you're getting
Speaker 4: trail cam pictures of them whatever, and yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: more often than not, if that's their home area they
Speaker 4: already have, then one of those mature Bucks is going
Speaker 4: to claim that spot, because all five of these Bucks
Speaker 4: have been claiming this spot all summer long, so more
Speaker 4: often than not, a mature buck will take that location,
Speaker 4: and he'll kind of not that they're territorial, because they're not,
Speaker 4: but they more so just just start having a lack
Speaker 4: of care for one another and they don't really want
Speaker 4: to be near each other. But yeah, more often than not,
Speaker 4: a mature buck will claim that spot though in the end,
Speaker 4: and he'll start kind of ruling that roost, and the
Speaker 4: younger bucks will kind of feather away, and really, the
Speaker 4: younger bucks, those are the ones they kind of stay
Speaker 4: around anyways. You know, the mature buck kind of claims
Speaker 4: it and that becomes his mature buck home range, and
Speaker 4: there might be other mature buck home ranges that overlap
Speaker 4: with his. But the younger bucks, they're just intermixed all
Speaker 4: over the place. So you might keep both of the
Speaker 4: younger bucks and then the other two mature bucks they'll
Speaker 4: they'll go ahead and move away. So you had three
Speaker 4: mature bucks and two young bucks. Now you have one
Speaker 4: mature buck. Very likely you'll still hang onto those two
Speaker 4: younger bucks and they'll just kind of they'll have a
Speaker 4: really wide range because they don't know what the heck
Speaker 4: is going on. Their testosterones out of whack. They see
Speaker 4: doze and they have feelings and they don't know they
Speaker 4: don't know what they're doing, so they're just walking all
Speaker 4: over the place aimlessly trying to figure it out. While
Speaker 4: the mature bucks they kind of they have everything dialed in,
Speaker 4: they know where they want to be for that fault range.
Speaker 3: What do you think is a misconception or something that
Speaker 3: people don't fully understand that you've been able to maybe
Speaker 3: slightly uncover of just summer habits transitioned into hunting season
Speaker 3: habits for because I mean you every year there's like
Speaker 3: there's two camps of deer hunters in the summer, guys
Speaker 3: that are drastically overconfident about how their season is gonna
Speaker 3: go based off of summer intel. And then there's other
Speaker 3: guys that when it's September fifteenth, they're like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 3: bummed about this year. And then you know, usually there
Speaker 3: is a flip flop, there's a pendulum at some point.
Speaker 3: Is that something that that you've you've observed, But that's
Speaker 3: just something I've just noticed behaviorally from friends and talking
Speaker 3: to people like, Oh, this is gonna be the best
Speaker 3: year ever. And they check in and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is gonna be the worst here ever. And then
Speaker 3: this is the inverse of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it depends on the friend and how
Speaker 4: they're getting their intel to build their confidence. Right, So
Speaker 4: if they're if they're building all of their their theories
Speaker 4: and confidence based, you know, ideas off of purely trail
Speaker 4: cameras versus actual infield scouting and in coordinate with it,
Speaker 4: then I think, yeah, you might run into a little
Speaker 4: more failure there because you're you're chasing some ideas that
Speaker 4: might drive you a little bit mad. Whereas if you've
Speaker 4: already done the infield scouting in tandem with your trail
Speaker 4: camera information, you're piecing together a much greater story and
Speaker 4: that confidence might roll over in success. But yeah, no,
Speaker 4: probably the number one thing that I tell a lot
Speaker 4: of people to look out for. And I see this
Speaker 4: all over the place, and I already mentioned it with agriculture,
Speaker 4: same thing down here in hill country is and it
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be a true early secessional, you know,
Speaker 4: rolling into the fall native habitat field. It can just
Speaker 4: be a fescue field that that was going to be
Speaker 4: cut for hay and it's still tall and they didn't
Speaker 4: get to it and it's going to stay stay that
Speaker 4: height deep in the fall. Those fields tend to hold
Speaker 4: a lot of deer. They just enjoy them. They enjoy
Speaker 4: sitting out in them and bedding in them during the
Speaker 4: daytime whenever they're sun or I don't know what it
Speaker 4: is that's actually driving them there, but in particular, if
Speaker 4: you can find a field that is invisible but close
Speaker 4: close to humans but invisible to humans, and it's grown
Speaker 4: up waist high at least, then deer will flock to
Speaker 4: those fields and they'll be all out on the edges
Speaker 4: of them. They'll stand up in them, and they'll just
Speaker 4: kind of browse around and mill around and hang out,
Speaker 4: or maybe move if there's no actual native forge in there,
Speaker 4: they might just move out to the wood edge and
Speaker 4: browse around and nip on stuff. But they really have
Speaker 4: a preference for hanging out in those fields that are
Speaker 4: specifically invisible to humans, and that could be terrain driven invisible.
Speaker 4: It could be blocked by trees and just environmental things
Speaker 4: that are causing it to be broken up by our
Speaker 4: ice the line of eyesight. But it could be one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty yards away from a house, it could
Speaker 4: be twenty years yards off of a dirt road. I mean,
Speaker 4: they really take a purference to that stuff. And in agriculture,
Speaker 4: I seen it a lot. And this wasn't this was
Speaker 4: an early season. This was during you know, actual season.
Speaker 4: But there were a lot of fields that were grown
Speaker 4: up and they would go but up to all these
Speaker 4: these roads that were going through and a lot of
Speaker 4: the roads in these areas they kind of seem to
Speaker 4: make like a square or rectangle shape. A lot of
Speaker 4: straight line roads with these perfectly cut fields in them,
Speaker 4: and those those grass fields native fields, they would run
Speaker 4: right up to the edge of the road and you
Speaker 4: would have like a five yard span of the ditch
Speaker 4: that's being managed by the state, and then beyond that
Speaker 4: you would start getting into that native grass habitat three
Speaker 4: to four yards off the native grass habit which I
Speaker 4: think I included a video clip of it in that video.
Speaker 4: I didn't make a big deal of it, but I
Speaker 4: did include a clip of it where there's a mature
Speaker 4: buck and he's bedded like five yards away from the road,
Speaker 4: you know, or you know in the native grass yea
Speaker 4: from that berth. So and that's very common where they'll
Speaker 4: just bed right up against human presence. And if they have,
Speaker 4: if they have the habitat for it, then they'll just
Speaker 4: lay down right there and that way they can sit
Speaker 4: there and hear everything that they want to, and if
Speaker 4: they need to, just kind of pop up and utilize
Speaker 4: their line of sight. But more often than not, I
Speaker 4: think they're just going to stay hunkered down and listen.
Speaker 4: I think they're very comfortable in that environment because they
Speaker 4: just know they know that nobody walks through this field
Speaker 4: and this is kind of my home, and they're very
Speaker 4: comfortable in it. So definitely, just keep an eye. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't go walking through those fields. I would just keep
Speaker 4: an eye on those fields and acknowledge their presence, and
Speaker 4: then maybe start thinking about finding ways to scout the
Speaker 4: edges of them and find ways to look into them
Speaker 4: late in the evening early in the morning and.
Speaker 2: See if there's activity.
Speaker 4: The other thing, actually, and that I said early in
Speaker 4: the morning, is that early season lack of early morning hunting.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that I know, at least
Speaker 4: if we're talking about people that we know that purely
Speaker 4: hunt the evenings come early season, they're always whining about
Speaker 4: how warm, you know, how hot it is, and to
Speaker 4: get destroyed by mosquitoes and these types of things, and
Speaker 4: oftentimes in the morning it's sixty degrees and in the evening, yeah,
Speaker 4: it might be ninety five degrees that evening, but in
Speaker 4: the morning it was sixty degrees right at sun up,
Speaker 4: And if you get out in the morning, deer also
Speaker 4: kind of acknowledged that it was sixty degree sixty degrees
Speaker 4: in the morning. And I know that oftentimes we like
Speaker 4: to think that, you know, they're purely going to be
Speaker 4: feeding in the evening and they're doing a lot of
Speaker 4: their morning activity and banging out routes and trying to
Speaker 4: figure out stuff in that timeframe. But I see a
Speaker 4: lot of browsing take place in the morning, especially in
Speaker 4: the early season. Whenever you have those massive heat strokes
Speaker 4: where it's ninety five degrees until the last ten to
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes of light, then a lot of morning activity
Speaker 4: takes place on those days because the temperature just allows
Speaker 4: for them to in fact over eighty five ninety degrees.
Speaker 4: It's kind of dangerous for them to be up on
Speaker 4: their feet. Esp It kind of depends upon where you're
Speaker 4: deer at, you know, right, so if you're in southern Florida,
Speaker 4: then those deer, they probably don't give a crap. But
Speaker 4: if you're in Iowa and it's ninety five degrees, then
Speaker 4: those deer are going to be freaking dying because they're
Speaker 4: not built for ninety five degrees in October fifth, So
Speaker 4: you kind of have to play your terrain and know
Speaker 4: you're deer. But from my area, particularly if it's ninety
Speaker 4: plus degrees, then those deer are going to be pretty
Speaker 4: hard shut down. And as soon as it starts to
Speaker 4: below that in the last fifteen minutes of light, they'll
Speaker 4: get up and they'll start moving. But if you look,
Speaker 4: if you just look back towards the morning timeframe, when
Speaker 4: it was fifty five to sixty five degrees, and then
Speaker 4: it stays that way, you know, all the way up
Speaker 4: to eighty degrees until around eight to eight thirty PM
Speaker 4: or am. Then there's a lot of morning activity happening
Speaker 4: in that first hour hour and a half of light.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, do you feel that hunters
Speaker 3: could effectively get in in the morning without busting the
Speaker 3: er off like beating food sources, or would you suggest
Speaker 3: to kind of hunt and the transitional phase of anticipating
Speaker 3: where they may go to bed is that I assume
Speaker 3: potentially the play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it obviously depends on all the variables
Speaker 4: that are in play for you. There there's so many
Speaker 4: that especially that can take place in early season. The
Speaker 4: number one thing being what that feeding source is. You know,
Speaker 4: if you know where that oak tree is, that this
Speaker 4: oak tree that's hanging out in the middle or not
Speaker 4: in the middle of the field, but thirty yards off
Speaker 4: of wood edge and it's kind of in a little
Speaker 4: bit of a depression and it always puts on this
Speaker 4: crazy mast and it's it's a white oak as well,
Speaker 4: and you know where that's at, then yeah, maybe honing
Speaker 4: in on that a little bit and you might be
Speaker 4: able to hunt the fringes that Another strategy that I've
Speaker 4: had success with and I know people have had in
Speaker 4: this area is going and utilizing your past history of
Speaker 4: knowing where their betting areas are and then also kind
Speaker 4: of acknowledging when they're going and feeding in the morning
Speaker 4: time and then trying to get back into their beds.
Speaker 4: And it plays back into that role of just being
Speaker 4: highly aggressive like that guy that I had mentioned earlier
Speaker 4: where he only he kind of hunts the fringes for
Speaker 4: that first week. There are times where there are strategies
Speaker 4: if he could just sneak in the backside and lump
Speaker 4: up into the top of the hill where we know
Speaker 4: that they like to bed, and just hunt that betting area.
Speaker 4: Oftentimes the mature buck is going to be the first
Speaker 4: dear back to that betting area. So if you can
Speaker 4: just slip in, there's a good chance, I mean, there's
Speaker 4: a great chance you're gonna bump deer, but there's a
Speaker 4: decent chance involved that you're going to actually be able
Speaker 4: to get a shot off on that group of Bauchler
Speaker 4: buck bucks moving back into that bed first, And that's
Speaker 4: a that's a potential strategy. I mean, ultimately, it's there's
Speaker 4: so many variables though, just to be able to carve
Speaker 4: out a strategy for people on early season hunting, it's
Speaker 4: it is pretty difficult, but yeah, that's the.
Speaker 2: Way it goes.
Speaker 4: That's the way it goes. It's always the situation with
Speaker 4: the deer hunting with a bow. Yeah, it's just not easy.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, so, based off of flying
Speaker 3: the drone of the summer, what is a non obvious
Speaker 3: trail camera location that could be beneficial for someone you know,
Speaker 3: putting together a game plan to locate or learn more
Speaker 3: or pull data sets for a deal that they're really
Speaker 3: excited about hunting this fall. And so obviously some of
Speaker 3: the obvious one would be edge of an alfile field,
Speaker 3: edge of a soybean field. That's great, you know, But
Speaker 3: what's a non obvious location that might be worth the
Speaker 3: point of camera that maybe a lot of people think about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean, it's great if you know where
Speaker 4: that dear is going to be at whenever it's feeding.
Speaker 4: If you've planted a summer food plot and maybe you've
Speaker 4: got an acre of cowpees and you know for a
Speaker 4: fact that it's just piled with tender every single evening,
Speaker 4: then you're going to be attempting to hunt that. But
Speaker 4: more often than not, I don't really care about where
Speaker 4: that end destination is as much as I do how
Speaker 4: they got there. So, you know, if we're in hill country,
Speaker 4: then I'm trying to figure out how in the world
Speaker 4: are they traveling this train and making it to their
Speaker 4: destination because oftentimes, like I just said, if you know,
Speaker 4: let's say you work early in the mornings and you
Speaker 4: just can't hunt mornings, and you have to hunt in
Speaker 4: the evenings, that last fifteen minutes of light is where
Speaker 4: a lot of that movement is going to take place.
Speaker 4: If you're purely hunting food sources in the late evening
Speaker 4: for mature box in the early season, you're probably not
Speaker 4: going to have a lot of success because they're not
Speaker 4: going to be there at the time that you can
Speaker 4: see them and make a shot off legally in light.
Speaker 4: So you have to find a way to get deeper
Speaker 4: into their form of habitat and intersect them whenever they're
Speaker 4: moving to you. And so with that, in terms of
Speaker 4: the trail camera location, I would advise a lot of
Speaker 4: people to start paying attention to light are in ONYX
Speaker 4: and utilizing the slope aspect.
Speaker 2: There's a tab that you can click.
Speaker 4: On it just made a video on it, or going
Speaker 4: in and using train X and just honing in on
Speaker 4: where terrain drives deer movement. And it's a new kind
Speaker 4: of a different way of looking for funnels. There's kind
Speaker 4: of the general way of just looking at a hybrid
Speaker 4: map with top topo lines and hashing out where general
Speaker 4: very obvious funnels are, but this is taking that where
Speaker 4: there's these very obvious funnels and then intermixing with all
Speaker 4: of the other forms of terrain, and also marking every pond,
Speaker 4: every house, I mean, anything that can force travel, I
Speaker 4: would want to know about it.
Speaker 2: And then whenever you.
Speaker 4: Find these areas where it's a little bit more honed
Speaker 4: in where their route is and it's creating what I
Speaker 4: refer to as an invisible funnel, that I would be trying.
Speaker 4: Potentially it depends to put a trail camera in there.
Speaker 4: But you know, right now, there's one study that I'm
Speaker 4: doing as it relates to human objects in the woods
Speaker 4: and actually me and I think Zach Fernbau started getting
Speaker 4: me on that a lot. I got him obsessed with
Speaker 4: funnels and he's got me obsessed with this topic. And
Speaker 4: it's the idea that deer kind of create these berths
Speaker 4: around human objects that are placed in the woods, whether
Speaker 4: it be trail cameras or in particular ladder stands. And
Speaker 4: I think we've all experienced that as well, where we
Speaker 4: go and sit in our light and you know, say
Speaker 4: you have a long time ladder stand that's just been
Speaker 4: there forever, and you go and sit in it, and
Speaker 4: it feels like a lot of the deer that day
Speaker 4: are just moving with fifty yards away from you, and
Speaker 4: further just this, Yeah, this beautiful bubble that's been created
Speaker 4: around you. We have all experienced that. So I'm researching
Speaker 4: that and I feel like there's something to it. So
Speaker 4: in that essence, I would maybe be a little careful
Speaker 4: and a little cautious as to where I would put
Speaker 4: that trail camera. And if I knew that it was
Speaker 4: creating a funnel, and if I knew that it was
Speaker 4: honing down that travel, then maybe just keep the trail
Speaker 4: camera out on the food where they're kind of used
Speaker 4: to that human presence. Anyways, they already know they're entering
Speaker 4: a risky area by walking into the open, So introducing
Speaker 4: the trail camera in that sitting might not be that bad.
Speaker 4: But then combine that with your knowledge of preseason scouting
Speaker 4: and scouting an on X and try to merge together
Speaker 4: a plan to get up and you just you just
Speaker 4: move in and hunt that. Become a mobile hunter, slide
Speaker 4: up in there and hunt that versus setting a trail
Speaker 4: camera up on it.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying, you know, if somebody wants to go
Speaker 4: in and put a trail camera on that funnel that
Speaker 4: you find, But at the moment.
Speaker 2: Personally, I would be cautious with it. I'd be I'd
Speaker 2: be careful.
Speaker 3: I have I have one request if you will for
Speaker 3: that research. I think you should have one where it's
Speaker 3: how ninety nine percent of people hang their cameras, you know,
Speaker 3: Billy Betton, hide just right on the end of the tree,
Speaker 3: and then hang another one in a different control area
Speaker 3: where you you try to make an effort to it.
Speaker 3: May be already doing this and may you hide, you
Speaker 3: hide one, or you hang it up a little bit
Speaker 3: higher to see if there is any difference that you
Speaker 3: could quantify with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the first, the first trail camera study that I
Speaker 4: ever did was on a ridge that I called Big
Speaker 4: Ridge and that was the season that I was researching
Speaker 4: the deer named Winter and I never got a trail
Speaker 4: camp picture of him. And in that project, I mounted
Speaker 4: every trail camera in a very obvious, you know, waste
Speaker 4: to stomach high location on a tree. And I was
Speaker 4: intentionally doing that just to kind of be the standard
Speaker 4: run of the mill guy that walks out and just
Speaker 4: slaps a camera on a tree.
Speaker 2: That was that was the idea. But I am I
Speaker 2: am doing one.
Speaker 4: I didn't I wasn't able to get to it last year,
Speaker 4: but I'm doing one this year where where it's going
Speaker 4: to be in that same area, and you know, I've
Speaker 4: had a whole year for it to kind of die off,
Speaker 4: so maybe it's a good thing that I'm going to
Speaker 4: be moving back in again in this area. But all
Speaker 4: those cameras are going to be solar powered, so I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be able to go in pre season. And they're
Speaker 4: also going to be powered off of nine volt batteries
Speaker 4: I think, but or twelvel batteries, but I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: able to go in pre season. Hang these cameras, put
Speaker 4: them in very inconspicuous areas up high, aiming down, and
Speaker 4: I'm going to try to scent proof myself as much
Speaker 4: as I can. And I'm going to have the same
Speaker 4: amount of cameras as I did on the first study,
Speaker 4: and we're going to see if there's any difference from
Speaker 4: study one to study two. But even then, I mean,
Speaker 4: even the trail cameras definitely have their use. But the
Speaker 4: biggest takeaway I think that I had from that study
Speaker 4: whenever I did it, was that even when I was
Speaker 4: getting trail camp pictures, I was getting pictures of like two, three,
Speaker 4: four deer, and you have to think that that's the
Speaker 4: amount of gear that walked within that direct vicinity and
Speaker 4: right in front of the camera. But there were situations
Speaker 4: where they were fifteen to twenty five deer they were
Speaker 4: walking through that location, and I was only getting pictures
Speaker 4: of four of them. So just just be aware of
Speaker 4: things like that. Whenever you're utilizing trail cameras. There's no
Speaker 4: harm in utilizing them, and they can definitely be beneficial
Speaker 4: if used correctly. But if they become your insay all,
Speaker 4: you know, it's everything that you believe in, then it
Speaker 4: can become a little bit destructive to your strategies and
Speaker 4: you definitely combine your actual experience and everything else. Because
Speaker 4: if you're getting that trail camp picture in my setting,
Speaker 4: if I would have got that picture and I was
Speaker 4: wanting to go the next day and there were only
Speaker 4: four year in front of my camera, then my brain
Speaker 4: automatically would have thought, well, it was kind of it
Speaker 4: was a decent day, but you know, doose are moving
Speaker 4: through but didn't miss ay? Yeah, I just didn't miss
Speaker 4: anything crazy. But if I had been in the woods,
Speaker 4: it would have seen twenty plus year and an awesome hunt. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they'd been stinking amazing. And also the mature buck walked
Speaker 4: thirty yards away from the trail camera as well, he
Speaker 4: was just on the back side of it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I know it had been an amazing hunt. But just
Speaker 4: just keep that in mind. Everybody for sure is that
Speaker 4: yeah that don't don't let it control all of your thoughts.
Speaker 4: But they can definitely be used as a tool. It's
Speaker 4: all tool.
Speaker 3: This is anyone that has ran trail cameras have fallen
Speaker 3: into the trap that you just perfectly described. Anyone, anyone
Speaker 3: that runs one camera has had that same enter dialogue
Speaker 3: of like, well I didn't miss much, and obviously they're
Speaker 3: a great tool, great resource and can be very beneficial
Speaker 3: and helpful. But yeah, you know with the hard data
Speaker 3: that there's a lot that you do miss. Let me
Speaker 3: let me ask you this, what have you noticed any
Speaker 3: sort of impact from summer chores. Like during the summer,
Speaker 3: people people who usually like if they have a free
Speaker 3: weekend or a free day, they'll go out, they'll taker,
Speaker 3: they'll you know, they'll do a little trimming checking on
Speaker 3: their food plot, even though they might have a camera
Speaker 3: on it. But just I'm gonna put it in the
Speaker 3: tinker category. They're not going in there with a mission,
Speaker 3: They're just going there to go there. Have you noticed
Speaker 3: any sort of long lasting or short or short short sighted.
Speaker 2: Impact of that behavior?
Speaker 4: None that I can just speak super firmly on, but
Speaker 4: I can say my beliefs on it, my beliefs or
Speaker 4: that it doesn't have much of an impact, and if anything,
Speaker 4: it's actually beneficial. I think that introducing AD you either
Speaker 4: need to do one extreme or the other extreme, and
Speaker 4: falling in the middle is where I think it becomes
Speaker 4: kind of a little worse. Like, say you only get
Speaker 4: out there once a month, then I think once a
Speaker 4: month is worth worse than once a week. And you know,
Speaker 4: I think once a month is also worse than if
Speaker 4: you don't go there all season, because if you don't
Speaker 4: go all their season, then it allows you to kind
Speaker 4: of attempt to sneak into their habitat a little bit more,
Speaker 4: and the deer just aren't used to human pressure, so
Speaker 4: they might be a little more curious about it, whereas
Speaker 4: if you're in there once a month, they kind of
Speaker 4: have a little bit of a no how on you.
Speaker 4: But if you're there once a week and you're there
Speaker 4: all the time, then all the deer just grow accustomed
Speaker 4: to you, and I think that that can definitely become beneficial.
Speaker 4: I mean, we see that clearly with agriculture settings where
Speaker 4: it's farmed consistently and they're always on the property. There's
Speaker 4: human activity, UTVs, tractors, you name it, people talking, people
Speaker 4: sit around fire, drinking, you name it.
Speaker 2: They're always there.
Speaker 4: And in that setting, like I explained earlier, they could
Speaker 4: be drove into their tower with a UTV every single
Speaker 4: time and they're going to have zero effect on those deer.
Speaker 2: Whereas if maybe you have a property.
Speaker 4: Where you've only been on there once a year, and
Speaker 4: then now rifle season comes and you're going to go
Speaker 4: drive back out to that stand on opening morning of
Speaker 4: rifle season with a UTV and maybe you just park
Speaker 4: your UTV at the base of your stand and you
Speaker 4: don't even get dropped off at it, then that's going
Speaker 4: to have a dramatic effect in comparison. You know, I've
Speaker 4: seen that a lot with just kind of the history
Speaker 4: of my main research property growing up. We all recognized
Speaker 4: very early on that it was the best if you
Speaker 4: could just get dropped off at your stand, whereas if
Speaker 4: you were the last person in that train, say it
Speaker 4: was three guys and you dropped off two, and then
Speaker 4: you had to drive up near your stand and park
Speaker 4: a couple hundred yards away from it and walk into
Speaker 4: your stand. More often than not you would have the
Speaker 4: worst hunt out of those three. We all started picking
Speaker 4: that up, so we would try to like pin Grandpa
Speaker 4: at the last bit, so it's like Grandpa has to
Speaker 4: drive it, because who cares grand black kills a dear,
Speaker 4: So that way we could still be successful. Let him
Speaker 4: drop us off along the line. We recognized that very
Speaker 4: early on, way before traill cameras and drones. So no,
Speaker 4: there's there's definitely effect. And the benefit to that property
Speaker 4: is you know what I was saying, is that property
Speaker 4: it's kind of driven. Like there's a ranch down here
Speaker 4: in southern Missouri called Cloud nine Ranch. It's just a
Speaker 4: UTV a TV rants. So we joke that that that
Speaker 4: property is kind of like Cloud nine Ranch because people
Speaker 4: go out there and they drive four wheelers on it
Speaker 4: and UTVs, And for a long time a lot of
Speaker 4: guys felt that maybe it was having a really bad
Speaker 4: impact on the property. But in the end, I think
Speaker 4: that it's actually having a beneficial property, you know, act
Speaker 4: on property. If you're going to be utilizing four where
Speaker 4: THEIRS UTVs. Things like that to access your stand, and
Speaker 4: you have the people available to be able to drop
Speaker 4: you off and leave. But if you're just driving to
Speaker 4: a location and you shut the key off and you
Speaker 4: stop in that area, then that's where and I've documented
Speaker 4: that a couple of times, that's where it has an effect.
Speaker 4: Deer deer immediately, you know, in the in the in
Speaker 4: the setting where I explain in agriculture, where they drive in,
Speaker 4: drop the guy for the tower, leave it running the
Speaker 4: whole time, and then turn around and drive out where
Speaker 4: that deer is just kind of sitting there and he's
Speaker 4: not paying attention. The moment the key shuts off, their
Speaker 4: heads up and they're kind of they're checking out, why
Speaker 4: why did why did you stop the UTV?
Speaker 2: Why do you turn the key off? What are you doing?
Speaker 4: And the moment your foot hits the woods and you
Speaker 4: start crunching leaves and you're allowed human because you sound
Speaker 4: like an elephant walking through the woods in comparison to
Speaker 4: anything else, then yeah, I mean, you just you screwed
Speaker 4: everything up, so it can become pretty difficult, Uh to
Speaker 4: give it an all say answer.
Speaker 2: But those are kind of my opinions. I have a
Speaker 2: lot of opinions, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your what's your spicy his opinion, my spiciest opinion.
Speaker 3: That's one that you're like, Man, I don't really want
Speaker 3: to share this opinion because I think people call me nuts.
Speaker 2: I'll spot here. Yeah, no, it is.
Speaker 4: It's actually one of my favorite subjects to talk about
Speaker 4: in private. I don't talk about it much, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's a weird one. Well, the other day I
Speaker 4: got asked a great question on a podcast and it
Speaker 4: was it's all reframe its that way I can answer
Speaker 4: your question. But he'd asked me if I could research
Speaker 4: any deer in the world ever, from from all of history,
Speaker 4: which year would you research. I think it's probably one
Speaker 4: of the greatest questions everybody. That is awesome, an amazing question.
Speaker 4: It was a Pat Pat I don't know, I can't
Speaker 4: pou last name, but from hunt Stock. He's the guy
Speaker 4: that I started hunt Stock and event I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Be at in July.
Speaker 4: And you know, it was a great question and I
Speaker 4: thought I sat around and it was like, well, you
Speaker 4: got the ron Paula Buck, and you have all these
Speaker 4: really heavy conspiracy theory bucks and there's yeah, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of really good ones that you could do. The
Speaker 4: world record typical. I'd love to see how how old
Speaker 4: he is if I could have researched him from the
Speaker 4: time that he was born. But if I could, who
Speaker 4: was any deer in the world, it would be the
Speaker 4: non typical buck that was found dead in Missouri in
Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties and the world record. And my reasoning
Speaker 4: for that is because I'm really curious about his origin story,
Speaker 4: whether he was just a high fence deer that escaped
Speaker 4: and it was all accidental, whether he was truly a
Speaker 4: wild animal, which I would love to believe, and I
Speaker 4: think that would be amazing if he really was, or
Speaker 4: there was a lot of research that was going in
Speaker 4: in the seventies you started reading it. I started seeing
Speaker 4: it a lot in books because I read all books
Speaker 4: from early nineteen hundreds all the way till now, and
Speaker 4: you can piece together stories over a period of time.
Speaker 4: And there were a lot of hunters in that seventies
Speaker 4: eighties that were faking kills with high fence stuff. We'd
Speaker 4: go down all those weird topics. But in the seventies
Speaker 4: there was this large push that started occurring for creating
Speaker 4: genetically modified white tailed deer and attempting to create Boone
Speaker 4: Crockett white tailed You're in a high fence setting in
Speaker 4: particular typical animals, and they were working on all these
Speaker 4: different types of flasks and things that can transport semen
Speaker 4: from white tailed buck and then different ways to inject
Speaker 4: a dough And there's a lot of things that were
Speaker 4: documented and talked about throughout this time frame with universities
Speaker 4: in Texas and Penn State and places like that, and
Speaker 4: later into the seventies and in the eighties, a lot
Speaker 4: of those conversations that were in tandem with conservation agencies
Speaker 4: started disappearing, and a lot of those talks of all
Speaker 4: of these amazing things they were trying to discover that
Speaker 4: there's not as many things that are readable anymore for
Speaker 4: the public eye. And then all of a sudden, world
Speaker 4: record non typical was just found dead randomly in Saint Louis, Missouri,
Speaker 4: in kind of a suburbish area, and.
Speaker 2: It just didn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: So I would I would love to know if there's
Speaker 4: a conspiracy theory behind that to the fact that maybe
Speaker 4: there was a push with conservation agencies to begin introducing
Speaker 4: genetically modified deer into public lands or just land, you know,
Speaker 4: potentially even private lands just to wild settings at the behest,
Speaker 4: to enhance tag sales in those states and in increase
Speaker 4: hunter interest, to promote the sport. And you know, it
Speaker 4: may seem like a far fetched, you know idea that
Speaker 4: I have, but if you just look at our brother
Speaker 4: fishing and you want to go fishing, happens all the time.
Speaker 4: They take genetically modified fish. We'll just look at Lake
Speaker 4: taney Como. I just talked about this in my last video.
Speaker 4: Like tany Como, they have infertile brown trout that are
Speaker 4: introduced into the waters. It's not even a controversial subject hardly.
Speaker 4: It is a little bit if you start getting into
Speaker 4: the we we caught the world record brown trout because
Speaker 4: people are like, well, it's it's an infertile brown trout,
Speaker 4: so it doesn't really count.
Speaker 2: But in terms of just for the sport going and
Speaker 2: catching the.
Speaker 4: Brown trout, I mean, everybody enjoys if you can catch
Speaker 4: a twenty plus pound brown trout, then that's pretty stinking awesome.
Speaker 4: But the Conservation Agency you know, we we publicly put
Speaker 4: these brown trout that are infertile, these males that no
Speaker 4: longer go into testosterone cycles, so that way they can
Speaker 4: fatten up and become these trophy sized brown trout. They
Speaker 4: publicly put them in the waters. So who's to think that,
Speaker 4: you know, it's too far of an idea that they'd
Speaker 4: taken genetically modified deer and implanted them into public land
Speaker 4: or private land settings to potentially increase public interest and
Speaker 4: sell more tags. And the more tags you sell, the
Speaker 4: more the more of a chance that you have to
Speaker 4: be higher in the Pittman Robertson Act. And also the
Speaker 4: more hunter interests that you have, the more items that
Speaker 4: you're selling to people, whether that's guns, ammo, hunting equipment,
Speaker 4: the more of those forms of equipment that you sell,
Speaker 4: the more money that gets put into the federal pool
Speaker 4: at the Pittman Robertson Act. The more money that's in
Speaker 4: the Pittman Robertson Act, the more incentive that there is
Speaker 4: to sell more tags to get the federal money from
Speaker 4: the federal government. So it kind of kind of all
Speaker 4: works out to be a pretty big fancy story. And
Speaker 4: call me a conspiracy theorist, But I you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's one hundred percent fact that you
Speaker 4: or or actually even an idea that you can go
Speaker 4: down that it that it truly potentially happened. But I'm
Speaker 4: really fascinated at how how cleanly all of those dots
Speaker 4: start to connect once you connect them and you place
Speaker 4: them all out on a document in front of you,
Speaker 4: and it's kind of like, oh wow, there actually might
Speaker 4: be an incentive there.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty hot. That's a hot take. What's your
Speaker 2: thought on it.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's overly far fetched, Honestly. I just
Speaker 3: crossed my mind too that there's some there's some rewritten
Speaker 3: history in the world of white tails.
Speaker 2: I feel, you know, that's that's fairy. I mean, look
Speaker 2: at the General.
Speaker 3: I interviewed Josh who bought the General antlers, and at
Speaker 3: some point in time those got trimmed up. So I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot more of white tail history that
Speaker 3: we all take as fact that may have some blurred
Speaker 3: lines or skewed truth for whatever reason, whether it was
Speaker 3: monetary or I mean, hard to say what the motivation
Speaker 3: would have been. But we'll both be picked with tin
Speaker 3: hats here. But I don't think it's completely far fetched.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 4: I only another topic that I've gone down recently is
Speaker 4: like the introduction of crossbows. While I was doing I'm
Speaker 4: doing working on a video related to archery and the
Speaker 4: detriment of single lung and liver hits and what causes
Speaker 4: all of these single lung, single lung and liver hits
Speaker 4: is somebody that's tracked deer a lot with the drone.
Speaker 4: I've also just shot some deer, and then I've also
Speaker 4: partaken in a lot of just tracks pre drone, and
Speaker 4: then I know a lot of guys that have thermal
Speaker 4: drones that are tracking deer. It's pretty general consensus that
Speaker 4: there's a lot of single lung and liver hits that
Speaker 4: take place. So I've delved down this deep avenue of
Speaker 4: archery history, and in the avenue of archery history, I
Speaker 4: came across crossbows. And obviously, crossbows are a cool tool,
Speaker 4: and they introduced new hunters to the sport, and I
Speaker 4: love that.
Speaker 2: It's awesome.
Speaker 4: But the one thing that I was noticing was this
Speaker 4: mass push for passing them. Kind of in two thousand
Speaker 4: and six it started, and then in that twenty ten
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, seventeen eighteen, rain and a lot
Speaker 4: of crossbows started becoming legalized in all these states. And
Speaker 4: if you think about it, the same story that I
Speaker 4: just told you also can potentially connect the dots with crossbows,
Speaker 4: where if more crossbows start being sold, that's good for
Speaker 4: the manufacturers that are selling crossbows, but it also all
Speaker 4: of that funding goes into the federal pool for the
Speaker 4: Pittman Robertson Act. And the more hunters that you can
Speaker 4: introduce into the sport of archery to become dual season hunters,
Speaker 4: then the more tags that are being sold at the
Speaker 4: state level, the more tags that are being sold at
Speaker 4: the state level, the higher spot on the totem pole
Speaker 4: that you can potentially get. So it incentivized states to
Speaker 4: legalize crossbows, to have more hunters, to potentially get more
Speaker 4: money that's being put into the pool of the Pittman
Speaker 4: Robertson Act. It's just a fancy little connection point that's
Speaker 4: very similar to the one that I just stated related
Speaker 4: to introducing genetically modified deer.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, yeah, that's I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking of people that only gun hunted in
Speaker 3: the past. And now they buy an archery tag and
Speaker 3: a gun tag, and that's you to sell two tags
Speaker 3: to one guy.
Speaker 4: I look forward. You do all the hard work and
Speaker 4: I'll just listen. So, I mean, I overthink a lot
Speaker 4: of things. Well, guys, remember I sit with a drone
Speaker 4: controller and I just I stare at this stinking thing,
Speaker 4: watching dear bed for hours of a day. So there's
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of time for me to
Speaker 4: kind of spool around in my brain and go a
Speaker 4: little crazy on ideas. And but that's I mean, these
Speaker 4: are kind of just some of the connections that I'm
Speaker 4: not I mean, I'm trying not to cast out a
Speaker 4: ton of conspiracy theories, but these are just little connected
Speaker 4: making and I would love, I would love to ask
Speaker 4: some some people with more power than than I have
Speaker 4: on some of these subjects and just see their opinions
Speaker 4: on them.
Speaker 3: Then well, no, that's that's great. Well where can people
Speaker 3: fall along with with everything you have going on? Really
Speaker 3: enjoy your videos and I appreciate you hopping on here today,
Speaker 3: but where can people track you down?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: White tail research just across the board. You can google it.
Speaker 4: I post pretty much everything to YouTube. I also have
Speaker 4: a Patreon, which is White Tool Research, and I post
Speaker 4: kind of behind the scenes content on that, but most
Speaker 4: of my mainstream stuff that I'm that I'm posting I
Speaker 4: post to I post strictly to YouTube. I'm trying to
Speaker 4: get to the point where I post things more on
Speaker 4: Instagram and other stuff like that, but it just it's
Speaker 4: kind of a big workload to manage the YouTube channel
Speaker 4: on its own as the content creator and the person
Speaker 4: that gathers all the video and then I also have
Speaker 4: to make the videos, and then I have a wife
Speaker 4: and three kids. So I'm trying to work up my
Speaker 4: capabilities and post more frequently frequently, but it is it
Speaker 4: is difficult at the current workload that I have, so
Speaker 4: but I am trying.
Speaker 2: But Moral Story YouTube that's where most of my videos are.
Speaker 4: And then I do have Instagram and Patreon and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, but I don't post to those as frequently
Speaker 4: as I do my YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: Well, I love it, well, Derek, thank you once again.
Speaker 3: Really enjoyed the conversation and thanks for having me on
Speaker 3: as you unfold these conspiracies.
Speaker 2: We can do an episode on that too. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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