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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory File Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, the Cubs

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Speaker 1: have clinched. You were there in Pittsburgh. First playoff appearance

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Speaker 1: since twenty twenty. It'll be their first playoff appearance in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty, first one in front of fans since

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Well, we'll see if they can lock down

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Speaker 1: home field advantage. They still have work to do, but

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Speaker 1: that you know, we talked about like how rowdy the

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Speaker 1: celebration would be if they if this very businesslike team.

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Speaker 2: Would would party. I figured they would.

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Speaker 1: It's an opportunity to kind of let loose after putting

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Speaker 1: in all.

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Speaker 2: That hard work.

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Speaker 1: And we saw it, fans were likely watching it was

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Speaker 1: it looked like a pretty pretty fun celebrate. It tell

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Speaker 1: us what it was like in the middle there and

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Speaker 1: in some of the scenes that you saw.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was funny because this team is not a

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Speaker 3: hard partying team. It's not a very outwardly emotional team.

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Speaker 3: So while I didn't think they would just like you

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Speaker 3: go read a book or check their iPads or something

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Speaker 3: after the game. I was curious the extent to it,

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Speaker 3: Like those you you were around those teams in fifteen,

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Speaker 3: sixteen seventeen, just how like you're almost like animalistic.

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Speaker 4: It could be they were.

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Speaker 3: Just like bouncing off the walls, it felt like.

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Speaker 4: And you know, baseball has changed. Baseball is not.

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Speaker 3: As much of a guys sitting around drinking beers at

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Speaker 3: their lockers after game discussing what happened that night.

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Speaker 4: Like this team is tight.

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Speaker 3: Uh, they enjoy talking, but it's not as much of

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Speaker 3: an outwardly clubhouse nightly thing that I think some of

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Speaker 3: our older colleagues would have seen you almost every night

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Speaker 3: on almost every team. This team is more professional, and

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Speaker 3: Dansby made that point of especially for a group that's

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Speaker 3: this kind of focus and process oriented, it's important to

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Speaker 3: let loose a little bit and really savor these opportunities

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Speaker 3: that don't come around very often, and you have to

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Speaker 3: really remember the full scope of this season, like they

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Speaker 3: reported or open spring training on Super Bowl Sunday.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you kind of put it, put it that way,

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Speaker 3: and I think part of it too is Tuesday. It

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Speaker 3: was probably after after we recorded. I was just out

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Speaker 3: for a walk in Pittsburgh and right along that pedestrian

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Speaker 3: path next to the Allegheny River, I saw like three

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Speaker 3: Cub staffers walking to work. There is almost seven hours

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Speaker 3: before first pitch, and I know that, like that's just

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Speaker 3: their schedule, like they do it all the time. It's

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Speaker 3: not like the Cubs are more hard working than every

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Speaker 3: other team. It's just like for certain roles, certain jobs

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Speaker 3: in baseball, that's just the requirement and the expectation every

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Speaker 3: single day that it is just all consuming and relentless.

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Speaker 3: And when I mentioned that to Council, he kind of

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Speaker 3: nodded and understood where I was going with the question

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Speaker 3: of like, yes, that's why you have to celebrate those moments.

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Speaker 4: It's because you.

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Speaker 3: Know, there are people to make this team run. There

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Speaker 3: are people who don't wear a uniform, who are not

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Speaker 3: out on the field, who don't get all the glory.

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Speaker 4: But on a day like.

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Speaker 3: When when they're passing out victory cigars and dumping Budweisers

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Speaker 3: on each other and spraying champagne, like they feel connected

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Speaker 3: in a totally different way. And I think that is

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Speaker 3: kind of what hit me the most in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta say it obviously I read everything you write,

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Speaker 1: but I really enjoyed I really enjoyed the clinch piece

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Speaker 1: just because it you know, it wasn't just that day.

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Speaker 1: You did a great job of summarizing what this season meant,

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Speaker 1: like how long this season has been for this team,

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Speaker 1: all the little, little and big things that have happened

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Speaker 1: this year. You touched on everything in there, and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't that can be overwhelming to try and pack in

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Speaker 1: all that information, but you did a good job of

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Speaker 1: like not overpacking it, but like getting every little.

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Speaker 2: Bit of what this season, what happened.

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Speaker 1: From the good, the bad, the sad with Rhino's passing,

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Speaker 1: everything was in there, and it uh uh just really

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Speaker 1: all encompassing. And I do you know the people behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, we see them a lot. Uh They're they're

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Speaker 1: we always see them running around doing different things.

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Speaker 2: And you're right.

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes people don't realize how long these days

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Speaker 1: the scenes and not get much recognition. Uh. I think

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Speaker 1: those people get love within the clubhouse, but absolutely they're not.

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Speaker 1: I think council, I think I either saw it on

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Speaker 1: Marquee or you. It was the quote in your piece

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Speaker 1: where he talked about like that, you know, we we're

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Speaker 4: Uh It.

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Speaker 1: It was nice to see a group that, you know,

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Speaker 2: They were.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what scenes you saw, but Marquee caught

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Speaker 1: some fun stuff. I thought Kate Horton getting doused and

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Speaker 1: Palencia seemed to be enjoying himself quite a bit, and Pca,

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Speaker 1: I guess is you know someone we expected to enjoy

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Speaker 1: himself and really have fun with that moment. Who did

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Speaker 1: you see as far as really what are some images

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Speaker 4: I well, certainly Pete.

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Speaker 3: I'll have to pull it up here because I didn't

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Speaker 3: use a ton of it from him, but yeah, he was,

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Speaker 3: you know, shirtless, he had the eyebat black still sort

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Speaker 3: he was, of course, just like bringing it back to

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Speaker 3: all the people who helped him get to this point,

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Speaker 3: the people behind the scenes, you know, doing all the work.

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Speaker 3: And I forget who. It may have been, our colleague

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Speaker 3: Mattie Lee, but she asked just the idea of like,

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Speaker 3: didn't think it'd be this cold, and like he's sureless

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Speaker 3: and just like you could really tell how much he

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Speaker 3: is a part of the team that like I don't

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of people who have looked out

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Speaker 3: Pete in a lot of different ways. I thought it

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Speaker 3: was cool you saw different groups like come over here,

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Speaker 3: He had a like a Budweiser in hand, and like

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Speaker 4: Just was taking it all in.

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Speaker 3: And there was a Jed Hoyer and a group of

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Speaker 4: And then I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just trying to catalog here, like basically, the the smell

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Speaker 3: like I said, just it was a little jarring is

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Speaker 3: too strong a word, but it wasn't quite surprising, but

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Speaker 3: we walk into the clubhouse before and after one of

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Speaker 3: One of us is there every day, and it's just

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Speaker 3: such a mellow place, and that is the point of

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Speaker 3: that's kind of council viewpoint.

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Speaker 4: But as Nigo Horner explained.

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Speaker 3: One of council strengths as he lets the players shape it, like,

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Speaker 3: this is not like a Craig Council show.

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Speaker 4: This is what the players want.

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Speaker 3: They want more information, they like to stuck their opponent,

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Speaker 3: they like to get into the finer details of those

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Speaker 3: baseball y plays, and so that is the workplace every day.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Jamison Towney admitted it. He's like, I know,

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Speaker 3: these quotes sound pretty boring, but this group is so

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Speaker 4: This is what we like.

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Speaker 3: That's what they that's the environment they wanted and have cultivated.

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Speaker 3: But when they clinched, that went just like totally out

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Speaker 3: the window. It was just you know, cigar smoke everywhere,

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Speaker 3: just walking up, dumping beers on each other. Matt Matthew

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Speaker 1: Yeah back of the shirt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, firepool just right down back. So uh definitely, it'd

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Speaker 3: be fun. It'd be fun to see kind of the

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Speaker 3: day after reactions, Uh, Thursday in Cincinnati. Back to that's

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Speaker 3: what Dansby said. I asked him kind of about this

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Speaker 3: You know, this means lots of so many people. We

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Speaker 3: they did the group photo on the outfield grass and

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Speaker 3: he was I was like, it was like, dang, you

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Speaker 3: got it just one second and he didn't hear me,

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Speaker 3: and then he kind of heard me turned around. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: sure he came up, but you just tell he was

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Speaker 3: just kind of like almost drained. It was just like

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Speaker 3: They just partied for about forty five minutes to an hour,

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Speaker 3: and then obviously they had to catch a flight to Cincinnati,

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Speaker 3: and you just I was like, that was a lot

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Speaker 3: time on to Cincinnati, as I think Bill Belichick would say.

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Speaker 2: Right right, and they have work to do they have.

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Speaker 2: They're not done.

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Speaker 1: It's not like they can just coast the next whatever, eleven,

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Speaker 1: twelve games, whatever it is, ten games.

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Speaker 2: I believe, all right.

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Speaker 1: It has been since twenty seventeen since they had one

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Speaker 1: of these celebrations. In eighteen, they didn't get to celebrate

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Speaker 1: because they didn't win the division and they were saving

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Speaker 1: it for that. There's one connection to that pass. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little in half when we get back.

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Speaker 2: It'd be great for him to do that.

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Speaker 1: It's it's almost impossible to do a show now without

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, it sounds like Kyle Tucker is getting

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Speaker 3: The facility or the organization is based in the Tampa area.

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Speaker 4: According to Council, when.

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Speaker 3: Tucker fractured his shin last year with the Astros, he

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00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: sought their help to get back and return at full

443
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Speaker 3: strength from that injury. So the idea is essentially it

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Speaker 3: was Tucker's idea, that's according to the council, to try

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Speaker 3: something different, to get a new set of eyes, to

446
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Speaker 3: take a different approach here with the hope of speeding

447
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: things up finding some sort of breakthrough. Tucker's expected to

448
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: rejoin the team next week in Chicago. I don't know

449
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Speaker 3: when that would be as an active player, but we've been,

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Speaker 3: you know, we've been kind of asking about this. It's

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Speaker 3: been like, oh, kind of in the same place, and

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Speaker 3: are you concern Well, you're concerned when you're not making progress.

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Speaker 4: And then.

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Speaker 3: Wednesday morning, when Counsel sat down in the visiting dugout

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Speaker 3: at P and C Park for his.

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Speaker 4: Daily pregame.

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Speaker 3: Media briefing, he started with, well, I have some news

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Speaker 3: and dropped that on us, And it was very surprising.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this last show or we've it feels

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Speaker 3: like we talked about it every show now. But like

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00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: the Cubs are always going to sort of underplay the

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Speaker 3: injuries any team would, they're going to frame it a

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Speaker 3: certain way. You're dealing with Tucker, who was a very

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00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 3: low key personality. You're dealing with Counsel who's very unemotional

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Speaker 3: about just about everything.

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Speaker 4: So you're kind of left to.

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Speaker 3: Interpret a lot of this stuff, and there was not

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Speaker 3: a whole lot of interpretation yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Like this is a.

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Speaker 3: Not totally unusual, Like pitchers do this a lot, you know,

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Speaker 3: particularly you know, they're lots. Yeah, like I think of

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Speaker 3: like you know, doctor, I think was a Keith Meister

473
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: works for the kind of the Rangers, like they have

474
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: like certain institutes or like all these players, whether it's

475
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: private hitting coaches or you know, off season strength coaches,

476
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: like they're you have to think of a player as

477
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 3: kind of their own corporation. They have lots of different

478
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: kind of consultants or experts or resources at their disposable

479
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: that are not all within kind of a US logo system.

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00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean you're just looking at how much

481
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Speaker 3: time is left. Like if he doesn't play in a

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Speaker 3: regular season game before the playoffs, I'd be like.

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Speaker 4: Almost a month layoff.

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00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're talking about a best of three series

485
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 3: where maybe you get one good pitch to hit every

486
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: at bat, Like those are the margins in the playoffs,

487
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: and like right now he's not in a good place.

488
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 4: He could get there.

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00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: He's an accomplished postseason player when he's right, one of

490
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: the best hitters in the game, but they're just not

491
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: there yet. I mean, thinking that he's going to be

492
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: a difference maker in October is kind of a leap

493
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: of faith at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's yes, very obviously there

495
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: should be concern if you're a fan until you see

496
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: him out on the field, you know, you want to

497
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: see him in one of these Look if he's not

498
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: out there next weekend, so you know, at Wrigley the

499
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: final weekend I Wrigally against the Cardinals. Obviously, like you

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00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: have like all it's you know, the five alarm fire,

501
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: I guess is what you'd call it. And it's just

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Speaker 1: kind of a weird situation because this isn't some unless

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Speaker 1: I don't think this, This doesn't sound like it's misdiagnosed.

504
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: It just sounds like he's not recovering properly. Maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: find out, maybe maybe there will be more information given

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00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't know when council will have an update, uh,

507
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: but maybe there's more to know. But if it's like

508
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: he just isn't progressing, and that's kind of weird. But

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00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: also I guess not because sometimes muscle injuries it's just like, yeah,

510
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: this is lingering and maybe it needs longer rest, maybe

511
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: it needs a different type of treatment. Is that I

512
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: assume part of it is that he's going to get

513
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: treatment out there as well. Is there you know, who

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00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: knows what what the process will be and what he'll I.

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Speaker 3: Should also add that the cub set of medal of

516
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: a member of their medical slash training staff is going

517
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: to be accompanying Tucker during this time, presumably to give updates,

518
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: to coordinate whatever plans they have in mind, so that

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00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: so that he's ready and ready for the playoffs. Like

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00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: it's it's funny when you're saying like by next weekend,

521
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: like there's just not a lot of games leapt there

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00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: are not a lot of that bats to be had.

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Speaker 3: And the only thing I thought of while we were talking,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess like Kyle Schwarber didn't hit all

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00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: year and then he was the man in the World Series,

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00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: so it can be done. I mean, that was an

527
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: even worse injury and a way longer layoff.

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Speaker 4: But as we see, Kyle.

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Speaker 3: Schwarber's kind of a very special, unique individual in this sport.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna look it up

531
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: right now since we're gonna wrap up soon. But Kyle

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00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: Tucker came back from a much worse injury last year

533
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: and put Yeah. I don't know if he if that

534
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: happened right away or if it took a week ten days,

535
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: but his played like a seventy something game season last

536
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: year and was dominant. Uh so he's done it before

537
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: and with a worse injury, We'll see, we'll see where

538
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: he is.

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00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: He just needs to get on the field. Like but.

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00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: That more in our next episode. But uh, they you

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Speaker 1: want to have Kyle Tucker. Obviously I'm not virtual there.

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00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: Get get Kyle Tucker healthy, get him on the field.

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00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: I guess is the biggest the biggest concern going forward

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00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: right now?

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00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: When will Kyle Tucker return?

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to everyone. This is Northside Territory.

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