1 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: What Is Up? 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: Stuff podcast presented by Fox One. It is time to 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: juice the Pee Alonzo name again on Mets Up. Today, 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about what's Pete Alonzo's actual worth. 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: We talked about it last year came off of a 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: bad season or a down year for Pete. I shouldn't 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: say bad. It was a down year in twenty twenty four. 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five was fantastic. Pete had a great season, 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: maybe one of the best of his career. And we 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: heard what Scott Borr said, pe'ce looking for a seven 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: year deal. 14 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: That sounds insane. 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: I don't know any world that Peter Alonzo gets a 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: seven year deal. He calmed him to Matt Chapman and 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: Marcus Simeon, which was also insane. So in today's episode, 18 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: we want to kind of give you guys a deep 19 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: dive into what Pete is actually worth, and we're gonna 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: compare him to players now comparing to players of old, 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: see what his value truly is. Because we want Pete back, 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: but we also know that. 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: We just can't give him that contract. He's asking for no. 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: I think this is also we have to understand this. 25 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: We're reverse all as Mets fans. We did this last year. 26 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: Scott Boris will pasture for months and then eventually you'll 27 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: get to a table and you'll probably work out a 28 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: fair deal. Scott Boris famously it was like four years 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: ago now, sayd JJ Martinz was seeking seven years for 30 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 3: two hundred million dollars. I think he winnds up sending 31 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: a two year deal after that, or one year deal 32 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: with the Dodgers of the Red Sox, whichever year that was. 33 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: But that's just kind of what he has to do. 34 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: He's an agent. 35 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: He's the best there has ever been. Yes, he's a 36 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: goal that's the game. That being said, I think there 37 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 3: has to be some kind of middle ground between what's 38 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: fair for Pilanso based on what he's worth and then 39 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 3: also what basically what he wants. And I think that 40 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 3: only Pete and Boris know that right now, and it'll 41 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 3: take months for us to learn that as people on 42 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: the outside. 43 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you look at Pete's numbers, they're gaudy. 44 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: Offensively, we know that Pete's gonna hit forty home runs. 45 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: He's gonna drive in one hundred plus RBIs no matter what, 46 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: especially in this Mets line. He's gonna drive in probably 47 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty every year like he did, as 48 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: long as he's healthy, he gets on base. He didn't 49 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: show out as much this year. The exit velos were phenomenal. 50 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: He was taking warhacks. He was pulling the baseball more 51 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: like all the stuff from this past year. If Pete 52 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: was really great, and it's not that we don't think 53 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: Pete Alonso should be getting paid what he's worth. He's 54 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: one of the premier hitters in the game, especially when 55 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: you're talking about power and when you look at WRC 56 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: plus unqualified hitters. He was eighth and Major League Baseball 57 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: this year. That's ahead of similar first basemen like Freddie Freeman, 58 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: Vlad Guerrero Junior Rafael Devers. Now, because he's a first baseman, 59 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: he's a better hitter than those guys. But where does 60 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 2: Pete fall in terms of how much you pay him? 61 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: The problem is when you kind of look forward seven 62 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 2: years for Pete probably not the same player he is 63 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: right now. 64 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: Do you think Pete's definitely a better hitter than Rafael Devers? I? Do. 65 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: I think we've seen enough where Pete is a better hitter. 66 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: I think Rafael Devers. I think Rafael Devers is a 67 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: more complete hitter, but also moving to first base now 68 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: he might not have to be as agile as he 69 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: was at third. He's also a horrible first base like Pete. 70 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: Pete is too defensively, but Pete's got the scoops on 71 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: the scoops. 72 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: Peter is the lead in the scoops. I think that 73 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 3: does get lost. But Pete also can't throw the ball 74 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: ever to save his life. 75 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: I just know he can't. 76 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: Like if you told me that him Endeavors would have 77 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: similar careers over the next few years, I totally buy it. 78 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: I think Pete I just like him as a home 79 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: run hitter more than I do Rothfield Devers, where Raffield 80 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: Evers is going to have probably the higher average numbers 81 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: moving forward. 82 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: There's also a part of this that's always like tough 83 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 3: for us to wrangle where we love Pete like I don't. 84 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: I can't really imagine this team, this organization without him 85 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: at this point. 86 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: He's been here for so long, he's been so great 87 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: for us. 88 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: He's just ever totally across the board Pete is everything 89 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: you want from a star in your team, and he 90 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: just you don't. 91 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: You just don't get compensated for the past. You only 92 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: get compensated for the future. 93 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: That is, that's a shitty part of this business, especially 94 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: how cutthroats gotten over the last five years as projections 95 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 3: and numbers analytics as we all like to say, have become. 96 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 1: Much more part of the game. 97 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: But there is still there's still an elite hither inside 98 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: p Alonzo, and I think that there's one that will 99 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: be an elite hither for at minimum two more years, 100 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: say up to five more years. But I think once 101 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: you get past five, I think that you'd be lucky 102 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: to have a three hundred done base percentage of Pea Anzo. 103 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: And that's where you definitely start to lose me when 104 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: this contract number can get bigger than four. 105 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, because what we're looking at here in terms of 106 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: similar guys that have signed, like Freddy Freeman's always the 107 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: one that I go to, because Freddy Freeman better player 108 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: than Pete A LIONSO. Frey Frieman's gonna is a guaranteed 109 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. I think when his career ends, he 110 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: was a better fielder. He was a better hitter. 111 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: He does. He did everything better than Pete. 112 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: And while he did sign a little bit older than Pete, 113 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: he signed with the Dodgers at thirty two years of age. 114 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: Where Pete's gonna be, I think thirty one on this 115 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: next contract right, technically will be his thirty one year 116 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: old year for the season. Freeman signed six years, one 117 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two million. And that to me, like again, 118 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: maybe that's why Pete says seven because he goes, I'm 119 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: a year younger than Freddy was when he signed. Give 120 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: me that year that Freddy got. I actually, exactly, that's 121 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: exactly what's happening. 122 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: He said. 123 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: Freddy Freeman signed at thirty two, he got six years. 124 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: I'm signing at thirty one. But Freddy Freeman's name has 125 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: not invoked by Scott Bors or Pilanzo. 126 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: It's because Freddy Freeman is not a Bors guy. 127 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: He's not gonna mention other free agents because that just 128 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 2: makes him look bad that he didn't sign those guys 129 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: or have them on his roster. But six years, one 130 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: sixty two like that, to me, it's kind of tough 131 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 2: for Pete to get more than Freddy Freeman. When Freddy 132 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: Freeman is just a better player. Like even in a 133 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: down season this year for Freddy he was worth the 134 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: same amount of wins essentially as Pete Alonzo. 135 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: And they are different players. But for me, there's a 136 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: there's a consistency with Freddy Freeman. 137 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: That's that you don't. 138 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: Like Freddy Freeman's not hitting forty home runs in a season. 139 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: He's ever doing that again, He's ever coming close. He 140 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: might never hit thirty home runs again in the season. 141 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: No, but even two years ago and again, like you 142 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: hate to pigeonhole like these years for Peat it was 143 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 3: a two seventeen average in three eighteen on base It 144 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: did come with forty six home runs. The four to 145 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: six home runs are tremendous, But there is there is 146 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 3: this feeling that the year we just got from Pete 147 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: is better than the last two we got from Pete. 148 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: Yes, so it's like, which of those do you believe? 149 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: And that's why the cops to Marcus Emi was funny 150 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: to make, Asemion had the two best years of his 151 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: career two of the three years before free agency got 152 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: the huge deal. Now that looks like one of the 153 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: worst contracts in baseball. 154 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like one of those where you're like, I mean, 155 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: they they got their World Series. I'll take a bad 156 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: contract to get the World Series. And if that's what 157 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: it has to be, seven years, whatever Pete wants, you're 158 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: guarantee me a World Series in the next two But 159 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: at the same time it is scary because at least 160 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: with Marcus Simi and he's gonna give you still premium 161 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: defense at second base, Pete plays first base, probably gonna 162 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: end up being a DH a good bit of the 163 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: time as well. If the hit tool ever takes a 164 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: step back, he's pretty worthless. 165 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: And Boris and Pete for a few years have tried 166 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: to kind of anchor Pete's negotiations against non first basement. 167 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: That's seemingly always been the goal two years ago, if 168 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: you remember, maybe it was before Boris, but it was 169 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 3: Aaron Judge like comparison that I don't remember. I it 170 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: was Boris or another agent, but they may compare Pete 171 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 3: to Aaron Judge in terms of run producer, home runs 172 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: and RBIs. And now this year you get to kind 173 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: of the talks of Matt Chapman and Marcus Samon. These 174 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: guy's got seven years deals, why can't this guy get 175 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: seven year deal. 176 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: But you think, I guess Chapmanton. Yeah and seven because 177 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: he was already signed when he signed the extension of 178 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: that one year plus. 179 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what boys literally said that in that interview, 180 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: especially the Puma article. So then, but you get to 181 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: the point here where you know, for a portion of 182 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: this contract, Pilanzo has to be a designated or he 183 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: has to me. 184 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: There's no question about that if you want your team 185 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: to function at its optimal best. 186 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it feels like it's probably a bit taboo 187 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: to ever commit more than twenty million dollars to a 188 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: designated Hither, it's kind of just like similar to a closer, 189 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: where like you're impacting the game less so than players 190 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: who just do more. 191 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: And I'm sure this is going to really piss people off. 192 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: But again, Fangrafts does have a really cool feature where 193 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: they tell you how much these guys are worth in 194 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: terms of dollars for a given season, and it's very 195 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: it fluctuates because it is based on war so this 196 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: is like a war merchant calculator essentially. But at the 197 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 2: same time, when you are talking about like like when's above, 198 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: replacement is a valuable stat front officers are considering how 199 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: valuable is this player. They're not using war They have 200 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: their own calculations and their algorithms and stuff that they use. 201 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: But it's all going to be relatively similar. When you 202 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: look at a player over a length of a contract, 203 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: how many how valuable is he going to be? You 204 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: can't really just go off of counting numbers. And Pete 205 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: Lasher was a twenty eight million dollar player fantastic, great year. 206 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: Love it. 207 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: The previous year he was sixteen, the year before that 208 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: he was twenty two, but then twenty twenty two he 209 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: was a thirty million dollar player. Like, there is such 210 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: a fluctuation here with what Pete's worth is in a 211 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: given year, and it does really all come down to 212 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: how well he is hitting, because we know the power 213 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: numbers are always going to be there. 214 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: Pete also made this year it was thirty million dollars. 215 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: And I think that for the next few years that's 216 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: a fair value for Pete Alonzo around the thirty million 217 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: dollar mark. Like I don't it's a little high, but 218 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: also at the same time, to get a guy that's 219 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: going to give you the numbers that Pete is, I 220 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: think it's fine. 221 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: In the short term. But you don't want to give 222 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: thirty six year old Pete Alonzo thirty million dollars a year. 223 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: That's why. 224 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: And I don't think he'd be into this because everything 225 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: seems like he's doing us to avoid this. And you 226 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: said the opposite when we talked about Pete last time 227 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: we talked about when you were like, you would be 228 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 3: happy to give him seven for one for of the 229 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 3: I want to give Pete the opposite. I'll give Pete 230 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: three for one hundred. I'm buying one hundred fifteen home runs, 231 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: and I don't have to deal with thirty five year 232 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: o pip On to be. 233 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: Fair like seventy. 234 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: I still think, I but you're doing the thing the 235 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: Yankees do when they extend these contracts out until guys 236 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: thirty eight years old, and all of a sudden. 237 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Twenty million is not going to hurt you. Ever, with Pete, twenty. 238 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 3: Million if will always hurt you. If you have a 239 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: lot of those kind of contracts in your roster. 240 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: If he hits thirty home runs a year, twenty million 241 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: dollars is fine Pete. 242 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess because at the end of the 243 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: Pete's career, you still probably profile him as a two 244 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: win player just on the bat. 245 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: Just on hitting thirty home runs. 246 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Probably yeah, and especially does his how I wonder what 247 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: his numbers go up if you just get rid of defense, 248 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 2: Like what would be his war if know, if he 249 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: didn't play, get rid of it. 250 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: What if he's a fine offensive value, he's probably like 251 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: a four win player then so then. 252 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: Probably not because you can't accumulate that much. 253 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: It's just a hims like a four win player this 254 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: year with negative defensive value. 255 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: How can we see that? But again the question is. 256 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: Can he do with he did this year for the 257 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 3: next two or three years like Kenny, I just I 258 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: truly don't know that, Like especially when you think of 259 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: the I actually I. 260 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: Feel like he can. I do think he can. I 261 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: don't think Pete's going to deteriorate as fast as we're 262 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: we're I don't think. 263 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: I don't think so either. But there's the tier rating, 264 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: and there's also just taking steps back. Like Pete has 265 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: the bat speed that will stay relatively high for a 266 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: little longer. I think we have data that bats speed 267 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: starts to go down, especially thirty two, so you have 268 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: two more seasons, we should have ninety percent of bats 269 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 3: speed from pe Alonzo. But just the fact that we've 270 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: gotten these oscillations of the hitting ability and also how 271 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: that comes from his mental approach to his at bats. 272 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: I think that's the part that worries me because I'm 273 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: just again, I'm very scared of pe Alonzo. That's a 274 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 3: two thirty hitter with another three hundred percent. I'm scared 275 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: that even even if that comes with thirty home runs, 276 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: you just have rehoskings now. 277 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: I just I don't see that happening until he's like 278 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: thirty six, thirty. 279 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: Seven, thirty maybe. 280 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: But like I think, I think this is something that 281 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: you've been doing also off camera. I'm not gonna mention, 282 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: but you've been. You've been, you've been ages recently. You've 283 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: been like thirderal ages. Yeah, you're done at thirty done. 284 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: I say that he's got three or four really good 285 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 3: ones left, but three or four really good ones left me, 286 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: So I don't want give them seven. 287 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 2: So you wouldn't want to take chance that three or 288 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: four good ones left to possibly risk that the three 289 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 2: after are bad. We're not as high I think because 290 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: this one, I think five for one to twenty five 291 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: is like the perfect spot to give Pete and be like, 292 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: that's kind of the taker to leave at the highest 293 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: I'll also say this from a David Stearns perspective, I 294 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: think you got to consider it because. 295 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, if if Pete, if 296 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: Pete hits. 297 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: For the next three or four years, and you build 298 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: a team that you like they're trying to win a 299 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: World Series in the next three or four years. 300 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: If they don't, David Sturns is probably not here and 301 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 3: it's not your problem anymore. Like that's a truth traliament. 302 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 2: So maybe that's part of it too, is like, come on, Pete, like, 303 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: let's find a fair aav number where you're not gonna 304 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: hamper this team, but you're still gonna get your money 305 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 2: over that period of time. That's kind of how I'm 306 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: seeing it too now. 307 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: I mean there's also the opposite of what you said, 308 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 3: where David Stearns knows that it's basically like two or 309 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: three more years at this point, then it might not 310 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: be your team. If you're gonna go down, do you 311 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: want to go down with your guys or the guys 312 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: that you inherited. 313 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: That's also a fair question. But I think we don't 314 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: know how. 315 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: We don't really know how Davi Stearns feels about Peel, 316 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: and we know the Davis Stearns really cares about run 317 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: prevention and he's probably I mean, Davidsons also has never 318 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 3: had that many opportunities to sign guys into their late 319 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: thirties and premium crisis. So this is this did give 320 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: Christianellich a big contract and Christian Elch can't play the outfield. Yes, again, 321 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: maybe that's something that you learned that lesson. That's a regret, 322 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: Like that's a fan favorite. You signed that for the 323 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: huge year that someone had, and all of a sudden 324 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: you look at that contract every year like this isn't 325 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: really not worth it. You could used to be playing. Yeah, 326 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: but again you asked Matt Oral. Maybe right now you're like, huh, 327 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, if I could just have Blake Perkins as 328 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: a college get some more reps, I could spend that 329 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: thirty million dollars another player somewhere else. 330 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: Also, this is like, this is the the flip side 331 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: of not giving Pete this kind of contract is playing 332 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: the plug and play and we know that that doesn't 333 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: really work to win, Like there's no there's no teams 334 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: that have really won consistently by doing plug and play bullshit. No, 335 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: you win consistently by having superstars that perform well in 336 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: big situations. And again that but that's where this whole 337 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: question now is p the Lonzo. 338 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: That's why marquee superstar talent. Hither Queen of Us. 339 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: Where like I said the seven for one to forty, 340 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 3: you said the three for one hundred five for one 341 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: to twenty five, sign it, shake hands. 342 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: That's the deal. 343 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: That's the contract, and I do think that gets it done. 344 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: World Series Game one is on Friday, Dodgers versus the 345 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Blue Jays. Blake Snell on the mound. I know you're 346 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: a big Blake Snell guy, James. That's the guy that 347 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: I'm looking at for this series, especially. 348 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: With Game one coming up. 349 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: The Dodgers aren't letting these relievers come into the game earlier. 350 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: They're going to push Blake Snell far. And he's been, 351 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: i mean, one of the best pitchers in the postseason 352 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: in history. 353 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: He's been so good. 354 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: That's future Hall of Famer Blake Snell to you, and yeah, 355 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: I'm looking for Blake Snell. I think we're probably gonna 356 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: look at over eighteen and a half outs on the books, 357 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: we're probably seven and a half or eight and a 358 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 3: half strikecots because he choice to. I knowo'se Blue Jays 359 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: scene doesn't strike out. I know they've been a team 360 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: of destiny, but this is kind of like themmovable object 361 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: versus the unsoppable force. Whatever that's saying is, I mean, 362 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: I'm gone Blake Snell all the way. 363 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Blake Snell's been money Blue Jays two. Like, while 364 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: they put so much contact or everyone likes to tell 365 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: you that they make their they're built on contact. This team, 366 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: Blake Snell still has the ability to strike these guys out. 367 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: That being said, the matchup between him and Vlad Junior 368 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: is going to be fascinating to watch because Vladdie eats 369 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: against lefties. 370 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: Blake Snell's got that fastball. 371 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: Like, that's gonna be must watch at bats in this 372 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: World Series as well. 373 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: I'm still stuck on the batch the matchups between Blake 374 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: Snell and Ernie Clement. 375 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one that you're locked in on. 376 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: Can't miss that, can't nice, That could be fun. Take 377 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: some Ernie Clement hits. Take the over on hits for 378 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: Ernie Clement. Just because that guy refuses to get out 379 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: in the postseason. Also, did you see in our last 380 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: one that we mentioned where we gave some bets so 381 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: much Josh Naylor and we took the over on outs. 382 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: Someone parlayd that one big, So shout out to our picks. 383 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: Right now we're looking pretty hot. 384 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: Ernie Clement over half a hit and Max Blake Snell 385 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: double parlay the outs and the strikeouts. 386 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: There you go. 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Offers are subject to change. 430 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: Go to Fox one dot com for complete terms and conditions. 431 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: Fox one Streaming. 432 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: Now do you think Pete still holds some mental real 433 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: estate on the contract that he turned down years ago 434 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: from Billy? What was that six for one? We've spoke 435 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: the beat Dolf Freddie Freeman contract. 436 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: We've spoke to Pete. He thinks about it every night. 437 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, because then you I would just I would really 438 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: be anchoring it. The Freddie Freeman deals, the Maddilson deals. 439 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: Matdilson signed that deal when he was twenty seven years old, 440 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 3: so much younger than Pete, and that got eight year deal, 441 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 3: the only twenty million dollars aav as a premium first 442 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 3: base defender, and he had some good years but something 443 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: consistent years, and Freddie Freeman signs that contract at thirty 444 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 3: two awful World Series as like a bona fide Hall 445 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: of Fame or six for one sixty you literally split 446 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: the difference of those two deals. 447 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: I just I don't know. 448 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: That's why again, maybe also we're being done by saying 449 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 3: five for one twenty five, like the market really might 450 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: not be dictating that how much different I guess the 451 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 3: qualifying offers a big difference now not having that for Pete. 452 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: That's also why I'm like, I think like I say 453 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: five for one twenty five because that's somewhere I feel comfortable, 454 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: and I think that would get the deal done because, 455 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: like you said, maybe the market indicates that he's a 456 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: little bit cheaper, right, is that where you're going, or 457 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: you're gonna say a little more expensive, a little cheaper. 458 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: That's why I'm like five one twenty five. I think 459 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 2: everyone would be happy. 460 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 3: Also, we're talking about how content you are in Pee 461 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: Alonzo after thirty four years. 462 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: Old, right, yeah? Because that would be what three seasons 463 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: from now, it. 464 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 3: Would be third this thirty one, thirty two, thirty three. 465 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: That's his next three season. 466 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the so in the last two years 467 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: of that five year contract, I'll take my chances. 468 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: All right, Well, pull up some other all time great 469 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: first basement there it didn't exactly have great on base abilities. 470 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: Pull up on Miguel Cabrera. 471 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 3: Look at Miguel Cobreras that after thirty four years old, 472 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: will like the check out Albert Poohols after thirty four 473 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: years old. 474 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: Give me short, Give me a look at. 475 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: Ryan Howard who had these I sigh for one five 476 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: whenever that deal was signed, and that literally was the 477 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: death knell into the Phillies run. And a lot of injuries, totally, 478 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: a lot of injuries. For sure, it's a different things. 479 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: I think they're also playing him at third base for 480 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: a lot of these times too, or. 481 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 3: Also an inner circle first ballot Hall of Famer, one 482 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 3: of the greatest. 483 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: Where I had to hit his fall time. 484 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: No, there is a hard number, but it's for two 485 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: more years. Like cause again, the I think where we 486 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: have to think about this is that as much as 487 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: we know David SERTs wants to build this great organization 488 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: right and wants to build sustainability in all this, if 489 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: he does not get close to winning a World Series 490 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: in the next three years, he is gone. 491 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: There's no way that Steve Cohen's keeping him there. So 492 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: as much as David. 493 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: Sturts probably wants that sustainability and might be worried about 494 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: thirty four, thirty five year old Pee Alonzo might not 495 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 2: have the flexibility or the opportunity to be like, I 496 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: gotta be really thread the needle again here because now 497 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: it helps you win. 498 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: Yes, But if you're thinking like that, your job, you're 499 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: already done. 500 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: So I don't think that's true at all. You got 501 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: to try to win right now. 502 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: I think I think if David Stearns is worried about 503 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 2: thirty five year old Pee Alonso, he's not focused on 504 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: winning a World Series in the next three years, which 505 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: means he's not going to be here. 506 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: I think that you have. 507 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 3: To avoid thirty five year old Pilanzo like the play. Honestly, 508 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: none of these first basemen have ever been good past 509 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: this time. Literally all the greats of the position, markin 510 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: Cherroff was retired. 511 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: That there. 512 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: They said, for sure, it could it could be the 513 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: death sentence for it. I shouldn't say that's a little 514 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: dramatic because it's not. It's not the Miguel Cabrera contract 515 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: where he was signed for like one hundred. 516 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: Years, but like, yeah, no, it's only eight at the time. 517 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 3: I think he signed that thirty one. 518 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: Or thirty two. 519 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been eight or nine years because 520 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: he played until he was forty. But yeah, that might 521 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: not be his problem, and I think he I think 522 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: he has to think like that educase, you can't think 523 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: like that if you if you once you lose your process, 524 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 2: you've lost everything. 525 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: You have nothing anymore. 526 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 3: But what you make decisions for us with artists, it's 527 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: not for us. You're making decisions to win and keep 528 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 3: your job. Like win, you don't have Pee Alonso next year. 529 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: This team's worse at the first base position you were. 530 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: There's nobody available that's going to play first base that 531 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: is going to be as good as Pete Alonzo at hitting. Yeah, 532 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: but your defensive thing doesn't matter because we know that 533 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: first base defense is not important. Laguerrero Junior is dog 534 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: shit at first base. He is horrendous a couple of. 535 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: Players this postseason. 536 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: I think vlaguerreas and athletes a lot bad than Pee 537 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: Alonso on defense let's let's. 538 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 2: See what was Vlad's OAA the last few years, because 539 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: he's he's. 540 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: I'm sure it wasn't great, but he looks like a 541 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: cat right now. 542 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty six percentile this year. Last year he was 543 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: negative nine OA at first base, Like, who can I 544 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: think first base defense, especially because he's got the scoops, 545 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: he'll you'll give that up when you're hitting forty home 546 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: runs and driving in one hundred and twenty a year. 547 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: But no, for sure, even with the scoops. 548 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: So he's he's like the worst first base defender in base. 549 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: I think you'd be short minded to not give Pete 550 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: a five year deal to worry about thirty four and 551 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: thirty five when you might not be here. 552 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: But you don't. 553 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: I still don't think you started the five deal. My 554 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: point was, I think the ceiling is a five year deal. 555 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: I think that we are on pretty good at CORPS. 556 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 3: Just looking at historical comparisons for the greatest first base. Ye, 557 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: we've seen your generations base. You get to thirty five, 558 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 3: it's usually not gonna keep moving, sure, of course, and 559 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: that's it. 560 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: So you try. 561 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: All that being said, Yeah, I'm happy we're gonna wait 562 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: this is gonna be a waiting game with Pete A. 563 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: Lonzo. 564 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: He's not signing till January or February again, Like, there's 565 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: no way he signs in the year twenty twenty five. 566 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: And if he does, it's probably because the Mets say 567 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 2: five for one to twenty five and he goes it's 568 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: the best I'm ever gonna get taken. 569 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 3: Or the Los Angeles Angeles Vanaheim gave him seven yes. 570 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: Up until then, we're gonna be playing a waiting game. 571 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 3: He is gonna have a more active market though, than 572 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: he did last year. 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Every 598 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: single general manager is going to be thinking about the 599 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: Miguel Cobert contract. 600 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying five eights. Know what I'm saying. 601 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: But he wants seven. You last time we talked about this, 602 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: you said seven. I would s well, I would not 603 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: do that. Sign me up, shake hands. Give him all 604 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: the money. 605 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: Now, give him thirty million dollars a year and at 606 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: the end he gets paid ten What about that? 607 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 3: If they want to do that because if you want 608 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: to if you want to build in first base at DH, 609 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 3: we can have that conversation too. 610 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: But so we might have a lockout. You don't you 611 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, Pete, What if you never 612 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: played baseball game with Major League Baseball seas to exit, 613 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'd tell him, be like the lockouts, come 614 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: and get your money now. 615 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: Also to say all this, at the end of this, 616 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: I just want to say how impressed was by plans 617 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 3: with this year going to when he went through signing 618 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 3: the proven deal and fucking proving it in such a 619 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 3: massive way. All the processed stats were better. He found 620 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: a way to get to that a swing more consistently. 621 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 3: I know he's still not pulling the ball as much, 622 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: but he doesn't have to because he's Peede fucking Alonzo. 623 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: Like it's it was night and day what he was 624 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: able to do. But there are it's weird that there's 625 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 3: so many new stats in baseball savon in the last year. 626 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: This is how we'll end. 627 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 3: There's always a few that I don't really know how 628 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 3: to judge them, ever, and it's specifically the launch angle, 629 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 3: sweet spot percentage and the square that percentage. So I 630 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: looked up squared up percentage, and I think it is 631 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 3: very much a it's a weird one where it's how 632 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: many times did you hit the ball as well as 633 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 3: you could base? No, it has nothing to do with 634 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: the placement of the bear ball, I think. I think 635 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: this is the one where it's how well you hit 636 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: the ball based on how hard you swung. 637 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so I. 638 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: Think, let me let me double check this real quick, 639 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: good podcasting. Let me look at Luis Rise real quick. Yeah, 640 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 2: he's got incredible squared up percentage because because he swings 641 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: the bat slower than anybody, but he still hits the 642 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: ball like ninety eight miles an hour pretty consistently, So 643 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: he's elite at scoring up the ball based on how 644 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: hard he swings. Guys who swing harder are going to 645 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: have a lower squared up percentage unless they're the best 646 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: hitters in baseball. 647 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this year, the big one for P two 648 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: is a launching of sweet spot percentage. Which, wow, some 649 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 3: of the people who eight numbers are really turning us 650 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 3: off right now. 651 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: But that's just twenty minutes and they turned off already 652 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: when we were about twenty five million dollars like Paypee. 653 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: He's a franchise icy, He's a great guy. I want 654 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: to I want Pete. 655 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 3: But it's just the fact that this year Pilanza was 656 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 3: able to kind of improve his hand eye coordination thirty 657 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: years old. He was impressive to get the barrel on 658 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: the bat more, get the a swing, more, have a 659 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: tighter spa of his launch angles him more consistent line 660 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: drives and fly balls like. 661 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 662 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: But that's also things where they've oscila before for Pete, 663 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: and they could as lay it again next year if 664 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: you signed piece of the big deal. He's two fifty 665 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: eighth there again with three fifteen one base, I wouldn't 666 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: be that surpressed. 667 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: All right, we'll see, we'll find out. We'll see. We're 668 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: gonna talk a lot more Pete, so much more. 669 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: It's not signing for four months, so we're gonna talk 670 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: more about Pete. We're gonna talk more about other options too, 671 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: which sounds depressing but might be a true reality we 672 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: have to speak of. 673 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode, though. Thank you guys for watching, 674 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. 675 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: Make sure you subscribe to med stuff, make sure you 676 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: follow us on all our social media at med stuff 677 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: as well. 678 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: You can follow James at James Shiada. 679 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: I'm Draftnickmark for the scene. Thank you, AUS for listening, 680 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: Thanks for watching. We'll catch you on the next episode. 681 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: He's out on 682 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 1: Four