1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Can I am six forty you're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. We're on every day 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: now three until six. That's the new time slot, our 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: old time slot three to six. Codway on from six 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: to ten. And if you're all confused and you forget, 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: you can do the podcast. We've gone back to putting 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: the whole podcast releasing it right after the show's over 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: at six. All right, John Cobelt's show on demand. I 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: want to talk Now. We're going to talk with Mark Shoffe. 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: He's president of the Contra Costa Taxpayers Association, and he's 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: a visiting fellow with the California Policy Center, and he 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: put out a story which made the California Post. And 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: I've also been looking at their original release and he 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: and another researcher by the name of Edward Ring, who 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: we've had on the show. Mark Joffey and Edward Ring, 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: they've been studying whether there's actually been climate change in California. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: As you know, are gas prices are at four to 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: sixty a gallon and maybe headed up to eight dollars 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: a gallon because Gaven Newsom has run the oil industry 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: out of the state literally and across the rest of 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: the country they're paying two ninety and it's all because 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: of climate change policies. Well, did the climate really change? 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: And what they've done is they've analyzed the US Drought Monitor, 24 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: which has been claiming that drought conditions in California have 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: doubled over the past twenty five years. Well, they looked 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: at it and they said, we can't find any evidence 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: of that. And furthermore, it doesn't seem like the client 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: climate has changed in the last twenty five years, or 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: actually in the last one hundred years. So I want 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: to get Mark Chaffey on here. And he has spent 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: his whole life analyzing things. Senior director roll up Moody's 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: analytics and then the reason foundations from the California Policy Center. 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: Let's get Mark on. Mark. How are you great? John, 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Good to have you on in this this This is 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: fascinating the research that you and Edward Ring have done. 36 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: Explain because I'm sure most don't know what is the 37 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: US Drought Monitor, So shout There. 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: Is a federally funded project at the University of Nebraska, 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: and each week they publish a map, a color coded 40 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: map showing how what kind of drought conditions there are 41 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: throughout the United States, including California. So it can range 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: from white, which is no drought at all, to yellow, 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: which is abnormally dry, all the way to dark red, 44 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: which is extremely out. 45 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: And they have been claiming that for the last twenty 46 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: five years that the that the drought has drought conditions 47 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: cover sixty one percent of the time in California, which 48 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: is a doubling the drought rate from the previous one 49 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: hundred years. Now that that's actually quite extraordinary. Am I 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: getting that right? Last twenty five years, the drought rate 51 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: is double the drought rate from the last hundred years. 52 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you know, they didn't they didn't measure it 53 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: in the twentieth century, but they set up benchmarks and 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: they said, our method is that thirty percent of the 55 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: time we're going to be giving a drought indicator. Now, 56 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: you could say, well, if it was legitimately it was 57 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: like a lot, lot drier in California, then maybe would 58 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: be higher than thirty percent, But sixty one percent, you know, 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: more than double. It's just not justified by changes that 60 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: we've seen in weather conditions over the last twenty five years. 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: You couldn't replicate their findings. You couldn't figure out how 62 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: they got that number that it was in drought conditions 63 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: sixty one percent of the time. 64 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: Right, And they don't have any algorithm fancy word, you know, 65 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: any formula for determining a lot level of drought door 66 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: is in a particular place. They look at a bunch 67 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: of indicators and then analysts make a decision. And you know, 68 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: that really scared me because I come from the credit 69 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: rating world, and our credit rating world, analysts just make 70 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: these decisions about how to rate things, and a lot 71 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: of times, as people who remember the financial crisis, no analysts, 72 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: the rating agencies get things wrong because they're biased. And 73 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: I think that may be the problem with the US 74 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: Child Monitor. When you're looking for climate change, you often 75 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: find it even though it might not really exist. 76 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: Well, it kind of makes sense that if they say 77 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: we've been in draft conditions double the amount of time 78 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: over the last twenty five years, then there had to 79 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: be something unusual about the weather conditions the last twenty 80 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: five years. But you've found that the weather conditions in 81 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: terms of rainfall and temperature and humidity, have been very consistent. 82 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So what we did is we found weather 83 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: stations have been operating for real long time, usually at 84 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: least seventy five years, and then we bucketed them into 85 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: twenty five year buckets. We found that there's just not 86 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: that much variation between say, nineteen twenty five to nineteen 87 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: fifty versus two thousand to twenty and twenty five. And 88 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: so that's why we just can't really understand how they 89 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: can get to this doubling of drug condition. 90 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: All right, so you went back twenty five years, then 91 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: he went back one hundred years. You found that the 92 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: temperatures are basically the same. I think there was a 93 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: tenth of a degree difference. The rainfall has been the same, 94 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: the humidity has been the same. That California has had 95 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: the same climate here in twenty twenty six that we 96 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: had nineteen twenty six and most of the time in between. 97 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: But the quirk is we tend to swing from a 98 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: lot of brain to a lot of drought back and forth. 99 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: And anybody who's lived here any length of time knows 100 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: that that's just the natural state of things. But the 101 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: swinging back and forth between drought and heavy rainfall is. 102 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: Normal, Yeah, exactly, Well, you know, to be totally fair. 103 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: You know, we did find that in the twenty twenty 104 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four period you are one point four percent 105 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: below the rainfall level of the previous seventy five years. 106 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: One point four percent. 107 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is not which is you know, not much. 108 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 2: So we could understand, you know, if they said, well, 109 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: we're in drought thirty one percent of the time or 110 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: thirty two percent of the time instead of thirty you know, 111 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: that might make sense, but we just can't got them 112 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: how they possibly could have gotten up to sixty one percent. 113 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: And then to your question, yes, California especially, you know 114 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: in LA this is very very volatile leather conditions. You 115 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: have many years where there's very little rain, and then 116 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: you have years where those extreme amounts of rain. Well, 117 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: this year, actually we're just a little above obred so far, 118 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: so maybe this will only be one of those in 119 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 2: between years. 120 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 121 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: I've been fascinated by weather since I was a little kid, 122 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: and I've looked at the LA weather statistics. It goes 123 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: back to eighteen seventy seven, and what I noticed. I've 124 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: been out here since the nineties, and what I noticed 125 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: is when we'd have a rainy two or three years, 126 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: it often would be followed by a really bad drought 127 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: year where we'd get like five or seven inches of rain. 128 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: And I've looked in history and that happened repeatedly. In fact, 129 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: a rainy period almost guarantees the drought period to follow it. 130 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: And I don't know why it does that. I guess 131 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: there's like macro climate trends that go on, but that's 132 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: what it does. So nothing that's happened, you know, in 133 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: the last twenty five years or last one hundred years, 134 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: is anything out of the ordinary for California exactly. 135 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: The strange thing is, though that they're a climate researcher 136 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: at UCLA, Daniel Swain, who the term hydro climate with 137 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: lash for periods of drought followed by periods of rain, 138 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: and he attributes that to climate change. But as she said, 139 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: that's just the way the way it's run in southern 140 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: California for forever. In fact, you know, we looked at 141 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: you know, stories or of pre whether you know, weather 142 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: measurement conditions, and there was a very famous situation that 143 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: happened in eighteen sixty two. In eighteen sixty three, there 144 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: was first there was forty three days straight of rain, 145 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: and then there was a two year draft. So this 146 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: has just been happening forever. I mean, certainly, we weren't 147 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: burning massive amounts of fossil fuels in California in eighteen 148 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: sixty two and eighteen sixty three. I don't think we 149 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: were doing much at all back then. And yet this common, 150 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: you know, situation has now got this name of hydro 151 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: climate with lash, and everybody is supposed to be concerned 152 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: about that. 153 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Can you hang on? I want to talk about the 154 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: the other part of your study, and it's about how 155 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: we ought to be spending money on storing water. Absolutely, 156 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: it's very important. We've done nothing for decades to create 157 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: reservoirs or build desalination plants to extract the water from 158 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: the ocean. We're talking with Mark Chaffee on from the 159 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: California Policy Center. 160 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM. 161 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: Six forty John Cobelt's show, new Time three to six 162 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: and Conway six to ten, and we are talking with 163 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: Mark Joffey from the California Policy Center. He has put out, 164 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: along with his research partner Edward Ring, an analysis of 165 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: the United States Drought Monitor to try to figure out 166 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: are we really in drought for double the amount of 167 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: time the last thirty years then is historically average, and 168 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: they can't find any statistical way that suggests that. Because 169 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: if we were in drought conditions double the amount of 170 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: time over the last twenty five years, how come the 171 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: temperature has been steady, the rainfall has been steady, the 172 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: humidity has been steady. It's the same climate that we had. 173 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: In fact, they say we've had pretty much exactly the 174 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: same climate for one hundred years. Now, you can go 175 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: back to nineteen twenty five and you're not going to 176 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: see much deviation. The deviation that people experience is just 177 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: the normal wild swings of California weather where you have 178 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: very wet years and very dry years, but it goes 179 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth. When you average it 180 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: all out, it's the same average over one hundred years. Now, 181 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: let's get back to Mark Chaffi talk some more about this, 182 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: because what you suggest is we should be investing money 183 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: if there's a water shortage issue in reservoirs and desalination plants. 184 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: Talk about that, Mark, are you there? 185 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? Can you hear me? 186 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Yes? Go ahead, great, Yeah. 187 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: A few years ago I had the opportunity to visit 188 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: Israel and I visited a desalination plant there. They have 189 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 2: five desalination plants up and down the Mediterranean coast. Before 190 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: they built them, they had exactly the same problem that 191 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: California had, very inconsistent range and frequent, frequent water shortages. 192 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: But now that they've been able to desalinate the Mediterranean, 193 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: they have complete water security. And you know, we can 194 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: do exactly the same thing here. I mean, as most 195 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: of your listeners know, we're right next to the Pacific Ocean. 196 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: I notice, just put up a bunch, yeah, exactly, So 197 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: we can just put up a bunch of desalination plants 198 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: like Israel has and we have, we can have complete 199 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: water security. And then also, of course, is the issue 200 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: of what to do with the snow melts each year. 201 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: And as we've learned from the Trump administration, it seems 202 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: like a prioritizing snail, darters and other forms of obscure 203 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: wildlife over people. 204 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: The delta smells allowing. 205 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: All this exactly by allowing all this this uh snowmill 206 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: to run off into the Pacific instead of being stored 207 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 3: in reservoirs for for years when we have less rain, 208 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: so that we can feed our agriculture with water and 209 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: supply supply water to urban urban users. 210 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: What is the issue with building desalination plants. I've wanted 211 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: this from the day of God. Here, like you said, 212 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: israelized five of them. I know, some of the Arab 213 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: nations uh uh that are along the Mediterranean Sea and 214 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: other bodies of water in that region of the world, 215 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: they have them. They were going to build one I 216 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: think in was it an Orange County or San Diego County, 217 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: Huntington Beach, Huntington Beach Y. They built it, did build one. 218 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: They did build one in Carlsbad. So that's there and 219 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: that's where, and that's providing San Diego with water security. 220 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: The same company wanted to build one in Huntington Beach. 221 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: They put in the proposal in nineteen ninety eight. It 222 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: went through bureaucracy for twenty six years and finally they 223 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: gave up. 224 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: What is wrong with the state. Why don't they build 225 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: these things? 226 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: There seem to be two concerns. So one is we 227 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: have a very aggressive coastal Commission that I'm sure you 228 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: and your listeners have discussed that on many occasions. So, 229 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: you know, building anything in front of the Pacific ocean 230 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 2: is close to being verboten. And you know, look, I mean, 231 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: everyone likes a nice, pristine beach, but we have hundreds 232 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: of miles of beachfront, so we could afford to have 233 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: a few scattered desalination plants along the coast and still 234 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: have wonderful beach views. So you know, that's one. And 235 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: then the other one, which is really bizarre, is that 236 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: when you run the desalination plant, you know, it sucks 237 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: in the salt water before are uh cleaning it out, 238 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: and in that sort what are there's plankton and the 239 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: environmentalists don't like the fact that a lot of plankton 240 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: are killed during the desalination process. 241 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: You serious, true, Well the plankton' get eaten anyway, don't they? 242 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: Good payant. I didn't even think about that one. 243 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: Oh man. All right, Mark, good talking with you, and 244 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: uh we'll have you on again anytime you've got anything 245 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: new that you're researching. 246 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: Let us know, right, terrific. 247 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: Thanks John, All right, Mark Joffey from the California Policy Center. 248 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: We don't want to kill them. You can't even see plankton. 249 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: Plankton are these little microscopic organisms. I think I think 250 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: whales eat like billions of pounds of plankton, right, they 251 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: just all day long, they got their mouths open. Yeah, yeah, right, 252 00:14:53,880 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean tremendous amounts. They're they're disposable. You all right, 253 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: A stupid state we're in. We got I want to 254 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: talk more about this because, oh yeah, because there's new 255 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: news coming from a hearing they held about the oil 256 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: industry fleeing California. It just happened today. I'm just following 257 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: it on Twitter. I'll tell you about it next. 258 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 259 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,239 Speaker 4: six forty. 260 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: Now on every Monday through Friday from three to six, 261 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: three to six, and the moist Line is eight seven 262 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: seven moist Steady six eight seven seven moist Steady six 263 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: or use the talkback feature, and the new time for 264 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: the moist Line is five twenty and five fifty on 265 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: Fridays five twenty and five fifty. Uh We we talked 266 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: for half an hour and you really should listen to 267 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: it on the podcast if you missed it. Mark Joffe 268 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: on from the California Policy Center. And you know our 269 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: our we pay double the electricity price, then the the 270 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: country right double The rest of the country pays eighteen 271 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: cents per kill. About hour, we pay thirty two cents. 272 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: The rest of the country pays two ninety one a 273 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: gallon for a gallon of gas, we pay for sixty 274 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: four sixty to roughly two ninety and for electricity it's 275 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: thirty two cents per kill abot hour to eighteen cents, 276 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: and it's all because of Newsom's climate change policies. Well, 277 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: we just talked with Mark Choffei for an hour. He 278 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: and his research partner Edward Ring, has looked at one 279 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: hundred years of records and found that it hasn't been climate change. 280 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: You go back to nineteen twenty five, it's the same 281 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: average precipitation, the same average temperature, the same average humidity. 282 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: So we're not overheating, we're not drying out, we have 283 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: the normal rainfall. It's just that within the hundred years 284 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: this is normal for California. You get wild swings, you'll 285 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: have a couple of years of intense rains, and then 286 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: you might have several years of dry weather and everybody 287 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: starts screaming drought. And like you said, the way to 288 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: deal with that is we ought to have reservoirs built 289 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: and desalination plants. So we have that big Pacific ocean 290 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: sitting out there, but we don't do that. They're stupid 291 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: now there you know about We've been telling you the 292 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: gas could potentially go to eight dollars a gallon because 293 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: oil refineries are closing all over the place. In fact, 294 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: we've had three of them close recently. The Valero plant 295 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: Benetia just closed. The Phillip sixty six plant in Wilmington 296 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: just closed. The Phillips sixty six plant Rodeo closed in 297 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. You had the Marathon plant Martinez that 298 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: closed in twenty twenty. You had a plant closed in 299 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, you had a refinery closed in two thousand 300 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: and eight. There's only seven left and we used to 301 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: have forty three. So we are now importing gas and 302 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: oil from all over the place. Oh yeah, our main 303 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: oil pipeline in the state shut down in the last 304 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: few weeks because of a lack of oil. Newsom will 305 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: not let oil companies drill for oil very much here 306 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: in California. So we're buying oil from far flung nations 307 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: all over the planet, and some of it's being shipped 308 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: to the Bahamas, and they were refining the oil into 309 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: gasoline in the Bahamas, and then they're sending the gasoline 310 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: on tankers, tanker ships through them My Canal and then 311 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: up the coast here in Los Angeles. Well, what are 312 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: we doing that we have the oil underground here and 313 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: instead it's coming from a rock getting refined in the 314 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: Bahamas and they being shipped here and we're using the 315 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: same amount of gas and oil anyway, So they held 316 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: a hearing. Ashley's Valla from k c R Channel three 317 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: again covered this thing and put out a series of 318 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: posts on Twitter, and she said the vice chair of 319 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: the California Energy Commission spoke today in a hearing on 320 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: the refinery closures, and Siva Gunda said, this is not 321 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: gonna be a smooth transition. Gunda, who's a man, That 322 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: was the start of the hearing that this you know 323 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: what that means. We're gonna have shortages of oil and gas. 324 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: So you know what that means the price is it 325 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: really is going to go way up. And they had 326 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: one nut there. Yeah, let me get her name. State 327 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: Senator Caroline Menjivar wants to know why demand isn't decreasing, 328 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: Why aren't we seeing more of a transition. Why aren't 329 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: there more oil refineries closing? And because we need gas 330 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: and oil or we don't have a civilization, not a 331 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: modern civilization. People believe this. They're not closing fast enough 332 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 1: for her, and Siva Gunde said, well, the state demand 333 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: for gas is declining maybe one percent a year, still 334 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: very high demand. Demand for aviation fuel is increasing. But 335 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: the oil company don't see a return on their investment, 336 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: so they're shutting refineries. But there is there's no major 337 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: reduction in our needs. And you have this this idiot, 338 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: Caroline Menjivar. Why aren't there more closures? Well, there will be, 339 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean Zalara decided to take a one billion dollar 340 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: write off because Benisha was costing too much money. And 341 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: then men Javar and this is a real another one 342 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: of these communists, She said, well, what about having the 343 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: state own the refineries like they do in Norway? Oh, 344 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: here it comes. Can you imagine Geffen Knewsome running an 345 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: oil company or all these communists in the Assembly running 346 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: an oil company. That's what she wants, and Goodness says 347 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: it's been part of the discussion. Can you believe this? 348 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: The state ran out successful oil companies, they've closed the refineries, 349 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: and now these these these Sacramento politicians who are really 350 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: intellectual vegetables, say, well, what if we own it. Oh 351 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: that's a good idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put you put 352 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: the uh, the state government in charge of the oil industry. 353 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: Well that'll that'll completely destroy the economy. But maybe everybody 354 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: ought to get out of it, out of here. And 355 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: then there's this other idiot, Henry Stern, and asks if 356 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: is this really all California's fault and not all these 357 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: other outside forces. Look at the price of gasoline in 358 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: this state, it's four sixty. Look at the price of 359 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: gasoline in every other state in the Union. It's two 360 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: twenty nine in Oklahoma. It's two forty four in Iowa. 361 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: It is two fifty four. In Texas. It's two fifty 362 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: eight in Kentucky. It's two seventy in Ohio. Michigan, it's 363 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: two ninety one. New Jersey. It's two ninety three New York. 364 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: It's two ninety nine Illinois it's two ninety eight. Yeah, 365 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: it's just us, It really is just us. We have 366 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: really screwed this oil industry up. And they're they're closing 367 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: shopping they're getting out. Well wait, wait, where when is 368 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: more gonna close? Why isn't demand going down? How did 369 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: this happen? They're completely economically illiterate, absolutely illiterate. One senator, 370 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: Senator val Darrez asked, is demand collapsing? And Gunda says no. No, 371 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: said Valderiso, are we creating a system that will be 372 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: unstable and volatile? Uh? Yeah, we already have that. That's 373 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: why we're paying for sixty a gallon and the rest 374 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: of the country's paying two ninety. And they're doing it 375 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: in plain sight, and you see it every day when 376 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: you guess up, I guess maybe what people don't know 377 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: is that you go to all these other states. There's 378 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: forty one states where you can buy gas for under 379 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: three dollars. This is not a Republican or Democrat thing. 380 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: This is not an East coast or West coast thing. 381 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: This is the rest of the country and US. And 382 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: they're paying an average of two ninety, as low as 383 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: two twenty nine, and we're paying for sixty Northern California's 384 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: five bucks, and it's gonna get worse. It's us, it's 385 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: our government that all of you elect. I don't vote 386 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: for these people. I'm exempting myself. 387 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM sixt. 388 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: Co Belt Show. We are on the air and F 389 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: three until six and the podcast now going to be 390 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: released after six o'clock. John Cobelt Show on Demand. All right, 391 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: some of your We have another criminal in the nonprofit industry, 392 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: another criminal spent your tax money. And her name is 393 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: Amy Knox and she's the CEO, the COO rather of 394 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: harm Harm Reduction Coalition of San Diego. You know what 395 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: harm reduction is. That's when you give a drug addict 396 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: more drugs. Uh. You give a crack addict a crack pipe, 397 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: a meth addict a meth pipe, You give heroin addicts 398 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: a new syringe, you give alcoholics more booze. That's what 399 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: harm reduction is. Now, this lady was the COO and 400 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: she's been accused. This is a real court case of 401 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: steeling one hundred and thirty two thousand dollars of tax money. 402 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: You know what she spent it on? Plastic surgery, credit 403 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: card bills, luxury vacations, a trip to Disneyland. In fact, 404 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: she blew thirty thousand dollars a year tax money on 405 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: the following body improvements. Breast implants, a tummy tuck, and 406 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to help me on this arm and 407 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: thigh lifts. 408 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 5: Arm in thigh lifts? 409 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: What do you need? Help with you getting one? I 410 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: need a definite. 411 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 5: As we get older, we sag in certain areas. 412 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: So, oh, you mean the arms that sag like you 413 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: have her old Yeah, blob of fat that dangles in 414 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: the air. Yeah, and the thighs. 415 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 5: I guess right, probably the in her thighs. 416 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean I heard a butt lifts. No, it's not. 417 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: She spent ninety four thousand dollars on buying pure bred 418 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: dogs and then training them. She also spent the money 419 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: on martial arts classes and a trip to Hawaii. She 420 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: had several names fraudsters always do. She was Amy Knox, 421 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: She was Amy Hernandez. She was Amy Ketcham. 422 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 5: Oh she kept the first name though. 423 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, all three of them were stealing money. She had 424 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: a one point three million dollar home and San Diego 425 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: had a second home. The money was supposed to go 426 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: for anti overdose medication and fentanyl tests for all the 427 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: drug addicts in the streets. So no fentanyl tests, no 428 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: overdose medication. You just let them die there on the sidewalk, 429 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,479 Speaker 1: and she is busy getting her new breast implants and 430 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: her thighs lifted. 431 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 5: I'm sure she looks really hot. 432 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: This is this is taxes and and and philanthropic grants. 433 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: Her boss is Taras Stamos Abusing said. She started she 434 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: was in the office when she was covering, when she 435 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: was recovering from her surgeries. I had no idea she 436 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: was using the money from the organization to pay for it. 437 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 5: That's maddening. 438 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: So she would come to work with new thighs, bobs, 439 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: new boobs, new arms. Hey, it was paying for that. 440 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: Oh the taxpayers. I the County of San Diego gave 441 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: the harm Reduction Coalition two contracts worth more than eleven 442 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: million dollars, and the county is not given any more money. 443 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: The county has canceled the contracts. The CEO Stamos busig. 444 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Actually she was the one who told the DA's office, 445 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: which told the county, and then they canceled the contracts. 446 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: And now this center is going to close. So this 447 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: is this is what This is how you get pedalized. 448 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: Okay. 449 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 5: So I think that we need to take out the lifts, 450 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 5: right and take out the breast and take out the breast. 451 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: Right, that's right? And uh yeah, and let those arms 452 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: start to droop again and those thys start to bulge. Yes, 453 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: and the breast can go flat. Yep, when we come back. 454 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: Can Gavin Newsom live down his record? There's a column 455 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal and it's really good because 456 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: it details all his failures. This this is like a 457 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: handy thing. You want to take this to your refrigerator 458 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: and refer to this in case you have a Gavin 459 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: Newsom fan over the house. Deborah Mark is live in 460 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: the KFI twenty four hour news room. You've been listening 461 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: to the John Cobelt Show podcast. 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