WEBVTT - We the People–But Who’s “We”? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.760 Native Lameing Pot is a production of iHeart Radio and 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.320 partnership with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.640 Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.799 Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode eighty one, count them 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.080 eighty one of Native Lame Pie, where we give you 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.800 our breakdown of all things politics and culture. Yo yo 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:19.680 yo yo, yeah, hey hey, hey, hey, hey hey hey. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:24.360 Somebody in the building, somebody on the field is y'all. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:26.880 They're making fun of me because I always interrupt. I 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.520 get excited when they say, wal come home. I'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.680 Let us just get through the aral and right. I 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.000 get to see it on our face. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:39.280 I know. 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:41.040 Sorry. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:46.040 We are your hosts. They've introduced themselves already, Angela Rye, 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.800 Tiffany Kraus, and a man. You yell them what's going on? 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:50.559 Ladies? 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.200 Hi guys, where. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:53.120 Y'all at what you're doing? 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:54.280 I'm in New York? 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:54.920 There. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.800 My handle isn't her wall of flowers? 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.760 And yep, she is on the wall looking good girl. No, 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.920 I mean you're off the wall. You're off the wallflower. Yes, 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:07.520 you cut that, you cut that, Pick that up, Pick 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.920 that up. Before we get into things, y'all, because we 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.119 crazy it's a good day. We want to remind you 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.520 that if you like this show. In fact, if you 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.199 love this show or like it, we asked that you please, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:27.480 please please please go leave a comment, great review and 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:32.120 tell your best friends and your friends friends. I'm sure 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.920 I did that wrong, Angela, you got a correction for me. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.680 I listen. I don't know what you do it, but 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:38.320 let's keep great. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.800 I know we're basically just telling people spread the love. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.800 If you like to subscribe, like, tell a friend, tell 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.520 your mom and them, tell your cousin and them. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.720 There it is, there, it is there it is. And 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:52.279 tell me what's on your mind today. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.480 Okay, I got something on my mind. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:55.000 Please. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:02:00.560 I really appreciate that our viewers are very vested in 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.160 this show and have strong opinions, and so we got 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.920 some great viewer feedback. I saw one of the questions 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.280 as I was traveling in So I'm eager to continue 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:15.359 the conversation about what we're doing right now, what solutions 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.639 are should we be out, you know, in advocacy and 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.080 solidarity with other communities of color. People had a lot 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.040 of strong opinions about it, and so yeah, I'm eager 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.520 to get to some of the thoughts that folks had. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.000 And because you're so eager, friend, we actually going to 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.320 start with the question I. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.760 Think, well, Angela might have had something. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.000 We're not there now, I said, We're going to start, 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.120 okay with the question I think got you excited this morning? Yeah, Angela, 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:42.160 what do you have today? 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:43.720 Well? 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.040 Uh, you know, there's a lot to be said about democracy, 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.800 So I want to talk about that. We've been doing 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.640 this tour, stay to the people Power tour. Jane Nelson 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.959 said on a panel recently that I moderated in uh Selma. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.680 She talked about democracy being people power and so as 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.400 we watch people power crumble, what is our reasonable service? 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.480 And what the hell happened? Why is it crumbling? 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:08.960 Yeah? 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.359 Yeah, did we ever have it? A good question? All 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.919 of that to be litigated in today's show, Not quite litigated, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:21.200 but definitely debated. In today's litigated and debated, no hesitated. 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.799 We're going to talk about the fall of democracy, if 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.160 we ever had that thing? And if you agree that 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.519 democracy has fallen at least what we were promised of democracy, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.080 what do you think the contributing factors are what helped 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:37.960 to get us to this point? And then we can 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.200 get beyond this point, hopefully after we start to name 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.480 what the factors are that have gotten us so deeply 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.560 in this thing. So let's get it started, all let's 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:54.480 get it started, all right? If I could have this wrong, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.120 but I think this might be the question that we 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.400 were referring to just a few moments ago. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:08.600 Oh so what I'm neighboring is two thirty am and mimbistendency, 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.040 fin the grade to go to work, and a still plant. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.720 And I'm telling y'all, y'all missing a lot of perspective 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.839 for when Tiffany do not run to no rural South. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.840 I don't know what you're on, but it's nothing down here. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.240 I don't know what type of utopia you're thinking of building, 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.039 but most people down here are working seventy to eighty 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.800 hours a week to barely straight by and feed themselves. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.120 So there is no utopia. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.919 Y'all gotta bothal up and start advising black people to 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.040 care about themselves and their finances. The only thing that 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.160 will get us through this recession that's probably gonna turn 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.320 into a depression and the devaluation of this American dollar 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:43.159 is work. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.320 Gotta go to work, and it's not in the streets. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:46.200 It's not protesting. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.800 That's any type of job that you can hold, any 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.240 type of hours that you can get, any type of 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.400 finances you can bring in for yourself, your family. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:54.240 That's what you focus on. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.560 All this other stuff immigrants, immigration, foreign politics. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.320 It don't matter for black people. I don't know what, y'all. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.680 I'll steal stuff on that, but I was going to work. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.680 I just hope y'all get out of the community and 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:06.920 see that black people. 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:08.960 There's a reason your conference look the way they do. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:09.400 Right now. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.680 Yeah, I had it right after the relation forget all 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.240 this youth folks and our money in our capital. 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.360 Let's it peace, m all right. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.760 So I have to yes, I actually love the question. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:22.080 He said. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:23.400 I'm welcome home for real. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:24.880 He said in the morning, y'all. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.560 Yeah, we're gonna say, like, honestly, shout out to him, 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.440 because you know, working that third shift at at two 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.599 thirty in the morning is a lot. But I one, 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.560 I just want to thank everybody for weighing in with 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.960 their thoughts and comments across YouTube, Instagram, and I can 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.120 definitely a special shout out to the people who actually 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.440 watched the show and not just the clips and you 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.159 know had a full comprehensive understanding of what we were saying, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.440 and still disagreed, still passionately disagreed with my perspective. And 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.960 I think it is a very small person who cannot 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.360 engage in intellectual debate, who will become so offended by 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.159 another take that you can't take it. So I actually 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.760 enjoyed reading the comments. I responded to a few, As 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.400 you all saw, I asked questions of people, especially people 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.720 were like, I'm done, you know, and I was curious, like, well, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.880 what is being done look like to you? So I 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.200 just wanted to clarify and and a few mistakes that 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.440 I made. One a lot of people were saying, please 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.159 cite your sources from where are you getting these numbers, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.800 which is very fair and normally I always try to 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.039 do that, and my apologies for not doing that, But 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.120 just so you all know, I am never doing a 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.839 thirty second Google search while we're on the air and 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.360 presenting that to you as facts. These are things that 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.320 I have read about research, crosstabs, talk to people, talk 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.120 to experts. Really dug into it out of respect for 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.160 having this platform and out of respect for the people 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.039 who tune in every week. And so I went to 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:59.479 the community pages AAPI vote, the Arab League of Voters, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:04.839 I may have that wrong, the Latino vote Undo, us 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:11.480 AP vote cast, talk to social scientists, and just something 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.320 I want to caution people on those numbers is exit 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.080 polling is notoriously unreliable. And so that's why you have 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.200 to have multiple sources when you're looking at who voted 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.480 and how they voted, because that often changes. And so 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.320 when this data was coming out among a lot of 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.840 the curious folks, we were all looking at it and 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.239 side chatting and talking about it. So thank you guys 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.280 for asking for being curious enough to know. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.800 Well, where did you get these numbers? 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.120 The utopia that he's referencing, I want to let him 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:45.160 know I'm not talking about my imagination. I'm talking about 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.600 what I've seen, what I've experienced, what I've gone to 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.160 bear witness to, and out of respect for those communities 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.920 because of our bloody, violent history with whiteness in this country. 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.200 I don't want to name them or say exactly where 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.240 there are where they are, but there are numerous communities 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.720 across the Bible Belt of the South that are building 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:09.760 community that exists. They work, you know, and they're black 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.920 towns with black mayors, black city council, black gowned grocery stores. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.080 So these things do exist. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:20.120 I do take his point about, you know, people are 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.320 working seventy eighty hours a week, and so that's some 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.280 of the things that I've been talking about, Well, how 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.400 do we construct something like that? And I don't have 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.160 all the answers, but I do have some. I do 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:34.040 have some ideas that I'm exploring. And I would just 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.559 say this about being in south because he was like, 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.960 y'all talk about you know, he said foreign politics. I 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:43.920 think he meant foreign policy and the immigration issue. And 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:48.800 I just want to clarify that it is not my 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.160 ministry ever to work with people who. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:52.800 Are anti black. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.920 There may be somebody out there to do that, and 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.720 is work for you if you got it to give. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.679 So I was not saying for all the people who 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.520 voted for Trump and thesee communities, let's gather them and 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.000 try to convince them. That's not what I do. I 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:11.120 don't enjoy convincing, but I'm saying for the people who 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:11.480 did not. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.560 I thought, first, it's just important that we. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:19.640 Know actual facts, well researched, documented facts matter even in 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.520 some of the comments, I saw a lot of misinformation 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.360 that I would try to correct. And so it was 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.360 important because the media narrative and some people were dropping 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.319 links like no, this is wrong because look at this article. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.480 And I actually would so thank you guys for actually, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.920 you know, doing research and saying but look at this article. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.720 When you do that, I would advise articles often take 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.400 on a narrative. So for example, if I'm looking at polling, 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.680 I'm not going to just look at the article that 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.920 qualifies the polling. I'm going to look at what they hyperlinked. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.360 Where did they get this information from. So if they 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.960 say something like, well, I'm just making this up, this 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.640 is not a real number. If they say something like 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.679 nine out of ten people in aero community voted for 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.640 that's not a real number. I'm making that up. But 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.840 I'm gonna look at this with some intellectual curiosity. What 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.040 are you basing this on? If this is an exit poll, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.280 who are you considering in the Arab community? Who are 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.200 these people? Was it specific to a region or when 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.160 you say this, did your polling Because not all poles 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.720 are created equal. When you say this, are you including 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.680 people under eighteen? Undocumented migrants who can't vote, and sometimes 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.760 you will find that the data does include that. I'm 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.000 not a social scientist, so I often have to lean 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.680 on people who are. I talk for hours to the 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:38.160 Phernana Mandhi, Terrence from Hit Strategies, who Angela knows, Cornell Belcher, 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.040 Slinda Lake, you know people who can understand these things better. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:46.800 So just combing through that data is really important. White 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.480 run newsrooms will say something and then when you look 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.760 into it, often there's a nuance that they miss. My 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.720 only ask of people is that we care. I'm not 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.680 even saying go out and do anything right now, because 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.160 I don't know what that is. Andrew, I would love 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:03.800 for you to address what he said about protesting is 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.400 to be honest, I don't I don't know that I'm 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.440 in a protest state of mind. I don't know that 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.720 I'm in a state of mind of I don't think 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:15.679 that my position has changed since the election. I think 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.800 I still feel the same way. I think I'm still 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.280 feeling like is this a democracy that we even want 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:20.840 to uphold? 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:26.800 I'm choking. Sorry, I'm getting choked up. I don't even 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:27.200 know if. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.760 We can come back to you, So you commute it and. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:39.400 Sorry, guys, Well, she don't like coughing if you're near her. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.040 She's a germophobe, and I feel the same way. But 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.360 I I just wanted I'll I'll wrap this up because 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.200 I do probably need a cough but I would just 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.360 say the only thing I'm suggesting is to ally with 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.200 the people who are our allies, who are people. Yes, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.000 I've gone into these communities and talked about anti black work. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.040 I'm not a policy person though, thank you to my 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:00.800 co host who tell me I I am. But I've 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.959 never worked on policy. But I have gone into communities 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.120 and done anti black work in the era of community, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.120 in the API community, in the Latino community. I've helped 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.240 with research, I've set on panels. I'm not a researcher, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.800 but I've been interviewed. I offer some black perspective to 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.400 these communities and organizing work that I've done across all 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:23.080 communities of color, including the indigenous communities. Phil I just 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.560 want you all to understand when I bring something to you, 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.960 it is thought out. You don't have to agree, and 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:32.560 I definitely appreciate people's perspectives, but at fourteen percent of 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.480 the population, I just don't know that this is a 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.000 war that we can go at alone. I think we 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.199 do have to have soldiers. And if you know, forty 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.960 eight percent of Latino men voted for Trump. Of course 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.880 that number is too high. Of course there's anti black sentiment, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.960 but that could also mean that there's fifty two percent 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.880 of people that we may be able to reach and 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.720 lock arms with. Even if you disagree with that, I 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.880 think when it comes to having a man yanked out 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:03.959 of his home and sent to an offshore torture camp, 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.520 I think we have to dig in our humanity a 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.600 little bit just to care, because if we don't think 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.439 we're in the same path of destruction, we're misguided. So anyway, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.240 I want to hear what you guys have to say, 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.360 because I think what his point also was, like all 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.600 that protests and and f all this kind of gets 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.480 to what Angela was saying that she wants to talk about. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.120 And I don't know that I disagree with that, Like 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.800 I don't know that I feel differently from f all this. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.160 I can say f all this and still have the 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.640 heart to care about fellow human beings. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:35.880 Hear. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.360 You know, one I want to shout out is do 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.920 rag I really do? I just think that it's dope 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.079 that he felt that at home to come on just well, 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.960 I love it. You know. The other thing that I 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.920 really that's present for me is, and I feel like 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.760 I say this all the time, the number of black 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:01.520 folks who have changed how we see the world, who 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.679 impacted our access to civil rights, who impacted how incredible 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.160 we see ourselves. So many of them were either children 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:14.040 of immigrants or immigrants themselves. Marcus Garvey comes to mind, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.839 a child of an immigrant, Malcolm X comes to mind. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.440 And I think the other thing that is bothering me, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.920 as you know we do this tour is one of 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.880 our partners is the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:29.400 they released the paper recently, right after Trump's one hundred 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.480 first one hundred days, and they are talking about the 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.000 number of black migrants who are being impacted by what's 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:36.440 going on. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:37.800 And I think that's another thing. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.800 For whatever reason, in our minds, and I'm saying, our collective, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.600 our minds, we see immigration as a brown problem and 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.800 that just couldn't be further from the truth. So with 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:54.400 the for example, the cut to temporary protected status, which 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.000 was set to expire on August third, twenty twenty five, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.200 is set to expire on August third, twenty five hundred 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.640 thousand Haitian people will be impacted by that. There are 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.200 five hundred and fifty two nine hundred and fifty seven 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.200 black immigrants who are eligible for TPS from six other 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.640 countries who will be impacted by that. There is a 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.120 whole research paper about that. I'll make sure that Nick 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.200 on our production team gets a link to that so 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.560 you can see that. I implore you, even if you 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.800 just read the executive summary, to look at how many 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.480 black people are impacted by this. So the very bottom 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.600 line the TIF just reference around us being twelve, some 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.840 people argue thirteen fourteen percent of the population that includes 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.960 black migrants fam so your numbers get real low after that. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.080 I live in Seattle. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.080 Our Black Port Commissioner, who I hope we have on 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.880 this show soon, is a Somali woman who is so 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.480 down for the cause and fighting for folks who are 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.640 both migrants and folks who are from here for multiple generations. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.160 So I just think that we really have to thread 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.720 this needle a little better. And I'm not saying that 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.400 my sentiment has changed much from the election either, But 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.320 what I'm not about to do is let the error 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.640 of somebody else's ways hang all of us out to dry. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.160 So I am going to fight to protect whatever protections 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:15.800 we have left. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.000 Yeah, you know, y'all, I sort of thought that when 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.239 we had this conversation, we weren't asking people to abandon 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.040 their care for us, for our community, for black folks. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.000 I kind of had the conversation. I assume we were 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.320 having the conversation and the light of if this is 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.760 happening to those adjacent right next to us, could be 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.880 you know, cousins down the road right probably are in 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.520 some in some shape or form. If we were to 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.720 really trace back right that if this happening there, can 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.880 you imagine what it's going to look like when it 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:56.080 hits us. That almost as a cautionary note that these 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.720 folks aren't playing and they're not discriminating. They won't all 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:05.480 to like and brown folks wrangled up and shipped out 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:11.120 and off to some place. I would, obviously, I'd love 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.679 to appeal to the humanity of all of us to 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:19.560 care about one another. In fact, I was my my 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.640 my twins graduated from fifth grade last week, now going 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.120 into middle school. Got to help us all. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:26.560 Congratulations. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.520 One of the thank you one of the one of 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.840 the songs that they sang at their graduation was we 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.600 Are the World. And I remember looking at the Netflix 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:43.600 documentary of Like the Greatest Night, which was the recording 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.199 of that, and of course that song was about ending 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:54.320 the tremendous hunger deficit that had hit various parts of Africa, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.680 but in South Africa, and then those those entertainers traveled 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.920 the world to bring attention funding food. These were black 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.159 folks in America doing what they could for folks on 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.840 the continent, largely black folks on the continent, but people 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.879 on the continent who wouldn't necessarily relate to us as 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.880 African Americans, right, but rather as descendants of various parts 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.639 of the continent that we have to be bigger, we 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.160 have to. In fact, it'd be a pretty damn depressed 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:28.800 place to live if all we ever did was concentrate 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.680 on the me me, me, me, me of it all, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.280 largely because we are likely then going to miss the 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.200 next attack, the next you know, onslaught that's coming our way, 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.760 because we're so bareled in. So you know, I don't 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.040 think this is lecture season. I just think I just want, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.200 you know, to join you all and clarifying I wasn't 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:54.520 necessarily really appealing to the greater humanity, but rather cautionary note. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.280 All over the place, we're seeing it happen everywhere and 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.760 when it hits your block. And I still maintain people 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.800 plug in when you're not just on their street, but 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.360 you got to be up to drive, and damn they're 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:11.159 coming in the house before we recognize the severity of 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.960 the threat. Otherwise it's kind of just it's kind of 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.320 white noise in the space. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:15.800 Yeah. 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:17.880 The other the only other thing I would say, y'all, 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.440 and i'd love to get y'all's feedback. Here is this 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:25.080 idea of you know, you described Tiffany a utopia, and 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.360 I feel you, and I felt you while you were 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.040 describing that, even without the real lived examples of where 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.840 it's happening. But it brings me back to our conversation 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.959 in your house, on your couch and on your floor 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.639 a couple of years ago, where we were talking about imagination, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.639 Like if we had a whiteboard and we were in 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.679 control of the pen and we could we could we 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.840 could write this thing however we wanted it. What we 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.080 would look like, how our families would look, what marriage 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.400 is for us would look like, Uh, what a success 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:03.760 redefine this time by us look like. But it really 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:08.760 does reemphasize it's a luxury, y'all to dream. It's a 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.040 luxury to pull back and say, man, if we could 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.239 do it all over again. And by the way, this 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.639 doesn't mean you can't be you can't be poor and 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.520 not have imagination. You can be any strike. But it 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:28.080 just does require us lifting above our circumstances to say, man, 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.320 if I had my dreathers, this is what it would 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.199 look like out of anybody's box. There are no boxes, 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.679 there are no walls, there's no ceiling, there's no floor. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:43.439 It's just whatever I think and I wish for our people. 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:45.800 And I mean it's from the bottom of my heart 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:52.600 that we could really collectively, individually dream cast and then 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.960 start to take the steps that might help us actual 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:57.199 lives what those dreams might be. 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.560 That's a good exercise, I think for the audience. Just 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:06.199 as we get into this conversation about democracy, if you 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.560 were its agent, if you were and I almost don't 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.760 want to use the word democracy. I want to use 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.439