WEBVTT - A Conversation with Justin Rezvani of Zion 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.000 Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Markmas Show, 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.600 where we talk about the decentralized revolution each and every week, 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.480 talking about the way the world is changing, and of 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.000 course we look at it through the lens of politics 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.320 and finance and technology. And of course that technology we 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:19.599 talk about is the Bitcoin decentralized network. We talk about 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:21.880 that each and every week because it's technology that changes 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:23.799 the way the world work. It changes the way that 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.920 we organize, we communicate, and so I like to bring 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.960 to you, you know, some of the latest breaking news 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.760 of education to help you think about things differently, learn 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.440 to see the world differently, and of course some interesting 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.199 guests so you can hear from some people other than 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.800 me all the time. And so I'm coming to you 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:44.519 from Jackson Whole, Wyoming, where I am in town a 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.360 place that I've been dreaming of coming for a long 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.040 time because of the snow. And here I am, and 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.920 we are here for a Bitcoin ski Week. Is the 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.720 first of it's kind of two hundred and fifty approximately 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.320 of the sort of I don't know, industry leading people 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.120 that are kind of moved and shaking the bitcoin space. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.520 And we're talking about all types of good ideas and 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.560 I managed to grab somebody to come sit on the 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.520 radio with me, and that is Justin Resvanni. He is 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:13.080 the founder of Zion app. And so Justin, thanks for 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.680 taking the time talking to me today. Thank yeah, man. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.720 I love getting together and hanging out. We've had amazing talks. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.880 The last couple of days, Justin and I got some 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:28.880 amazing powder runs. Yeah, it's great. Snow, great snow. Oh man. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:33.039 The the benefit of doing like meetings like this and 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.120 like a cool place like this, Like we got to 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:36.600 hang out, we gotta do cool things, and then we 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.360 get a snowboard. It's cool. It's cool doing life this way. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.680 It's like we have work to do, very deep work, 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.119 but then you can kind of expand the horizons play 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.800 a little bit. Like I think as humans, we're here 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.920 to have fun at the end of the day, Like imagine, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.480 like sometimes we take things too seriously and it's nice 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:54.280 to just lay back and like, look, let's go ski 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.520 and then talk about work at the same time. Well, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.120 I know, you know, this is kind of a different 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.520 than what I want to jump into. I want to 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:04.200 talk about how decentralized networks and there's been several that 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.400 have popped up lately, including zions. So I want to 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.079 talk about that, but before we get into that, just 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:09.919 for everybody listening, we're gonna talk about that and how 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.600 decentralized networks will help us beat censorship and change censorship 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.840 and communication and change the world. We'll talk about that, 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.320 but before we get into that, just to the point 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.400 you said. Something I've been pounding on the table on 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.840 is that today we have like all these people that 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.840 are victims. I can't get ahead because the government, and 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.680 I can't get ahead because of inflation. But it's like, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.880 we are not victims and we can build the life 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.079 that we want. Sure, And you're certainly someone who's done that, right, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.200 I mean I think so. And I think it's very 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.160 possible to do whatever you want. I think on this planet. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.320 I mean, you can really push your boundaries and if 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.680 you work hard enough and if you apply yourself in 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.000 this weird way, you can almost get anything done that 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.600 you want. You just have to expand your horizons. I think. 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.800 I think people just don't expand their horizons. Yeah, So again, 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.120 this is not what I want to talk about, but 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:00.560 I do want to talk about this for a second. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:05.720 It's impromptu here, so people have these fears or they 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.240 feel this and this this oppression that they think is 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.240 holding them back. Like, UM work a cubical job and 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.680 I make forty thousand dollars a year and I'm stuck 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:16.720 here and I get two weeks of vacation a year, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.680 and I'm too broke to go to Jackson Hole. So 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.480 woe's me? I'm this victim. What's wrong with that viewpoint? 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.399 And how could they maybe do something about that? I 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.280 think that victim mentality doesn't push you forward in any way. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.200 I don't know a single person that has a net 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.120 worth of over one hundred million dollars that complains about 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.720 their victim even millions, Like like like let's say I don't. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.440 I don't know. I throughout a higher number there. But 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.720 like I, no one that's made it has ever played 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.800 that card. They've never done it. They just they just 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.440 pushed through and they persevere. So I think we're living 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.040 in an age where information and content is one of 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.720 the most valuable things that's available on the Internet, and 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.640 you can figure out anything that you want if you 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.120 just apply your mind to it. And I'll give a 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.600 real example here. I did not know about bitcoin two 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.000 and a half years ago. I owned it, but I 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.240 had no idea the concept, And within eighteen months I'm 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.160 at these events. I'm running one of the largest lightning 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.120 companies in the world, and it's just because of my 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.520 extreme pressure to understand and be knowledgeable in the space. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.640 And now today we're gonna talk about decentralized networks and 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.240 all that stuff. And I just think that we have 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.400 this knowledge available to us. We have YouTube, we have 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.080 amazing people like you making content on the internet. You 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.039 can learn a ton of stuff and you can synthesize 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.520 that knowledge and provide value to someone else and create 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.760 financial freedom for yourself. Like knowledge is not gapped anymore, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.000 Like you don't have to have a university degree to 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.279 be smart about things. You can get out of that 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.880 job if you choose to. But I think it's a 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:50.120 function of laziness, Like we are a society that's fat 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.720 and lazy because we're comfortable. We've gotten too comfortable. And 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.159 I think that, you know, the most successful people that 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:02.080 I know constantly put themselves in comfortable situations to progress forward, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.839 because once life hits you in the face, you've already 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.359 been prepared for it. Right. I go to the gym 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.960 every day and destroy my body or go jump on 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.479 this mound and do double black diamonds. Not because I 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.520 necessarily enjoyed. Yes, I do, but I want to be uncomfortable. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.600 When I did iron Man full time, I had no 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.800 reason to do an iron Man right other than the 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.360 fact that I want to push myself forward to do 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.520 something very hard. I think everyone needs to apply that 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:29.320 in their life and you'll get better. Yeah, something that 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.480 I've been thinking about a channel I might have sent 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:33.760 you to it. I've sent a bunch of people to it. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.520 It's called Academy of Ideas on YouTube, and it's like 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.680 a philosophy channel, and kind of like what we were 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.000 talking about last night, how I always approach everything humbly 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:45.720 because if I can learn one thing, and sometimes it's 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.240 the same thing I've already heard, but it just hits 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.920 me different. And he had this episode where he said 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.520 that we should try to increase our power. And he 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.000 said not power as in like power and control over people, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.320 but power over ourselves. And so we should always be 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.640 trying to increase our skill level, right, And he said that, 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:04.680 he said, what we want is a formidable opponent. So 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.800 I know you'd like to play pickaball for example, right, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:08.760 you don't want to play with someone who's a beginner, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.280 I can't hit the ball back. You want to play 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.080 someone who's at least as good as you, but probably 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.520 someone better than you because they make you better. So 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.359 you want a formidable opponent. And so if you're going 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.279 to go to the gym, you don't want lightweights. You 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.800 need heavier weights. You need a formidable opponent. And so 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.200 what I got from this, as I it's been a 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.240 couple weeks I've been thinking about this, is that in 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.040 life we need a formidable opponent. We need the pressure 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.520 to push back on us to make us go forward. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.520 And so the paradigm shift that I got from that 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.840 piece of content was that rather than looking at adversity 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.279 and hardships as something negative, I can't believe I have 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.800 to deal with this. I can't believe things are so hard. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.200 Why does it have to be like that? Instead, it's 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.560 a formidable opponent. Thank you that I have this opportunity 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.960 to push that heavyweight. Thank you that I have the 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.240 opportunity to play a pickaball person. Thank you that I 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.080 have this struggle, this problem that I have to figure 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:59.880 out how to get over, because it's going to make 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.560 me a better person, and without it, I'm only going 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.840 to become a worse person. And I think that's about people. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.200 People are so afraid of pushing these boundaries for themselves 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:15.200 because inherently, our mind is always trying to keep us safe, right, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.160 That's what the mind is designed to do, and comfort. Comfort. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.000 It's designed for comfort because the mind was built in 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.480 a society that didn't have hotel rooms and heaters and 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.680 air conditioners and food at abundance. That's the way the 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.560 mind was originally engineered. But now that we live in 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.400 a state of abundance, we have to seek discomfort. We 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.680 have to go out of our way and seek discomfort 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.320 in our lives. That's why we go to the gym, 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.360 that's why we climb out, that's why we go into 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.520 an ice bath, that's why we progress and all these 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.320 things because you need to challenge the mind. The mind 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.720 is not challenged enough, I believe. Yeah, that's the thing 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.560 is and I think that's the concept, is that in 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.240 order to excel, we must seek discomfort. So that was 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.120 our little ran too. It's not where we want to go, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.280 but it just kind of came in prompt you. But 0:07:58.280 --> 0:07:59.560 I do want to bring something up because I put 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.760 this on my end Intagram yesterday, my story. If you're 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.360 not following on Instagram, you should just at one Mark 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.760 Moss check it out. What's yours? Justin? Justin Resvanni, Justin Revanni, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.200 So check us out on Instagram. But I put this 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.240 on my story yesterday and it was a screen shot 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.800 that someone else I saw on Twitter, and it says, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.480 if you make forty thousand per year and you spend 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.240 eighty five percent and you invest fifteen percent in index 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.760 fund that averages ten percent of return, after forty years, 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.000 you're going to have three million dollars. And I said, 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.360 this is the wrong way to think. I said, why 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.040 spend the next forty years of your life making forty 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.439 thousand a year? Like, really, I'm going to work in 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.640 a cubicle for forty years making forty grand, saving fifteen percent. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.680 Why not invest in yourself? Why not learn high value 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.000 skills to learn how to make more money? It's never 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.920 been easier. If you're just tuning in, you're listening to 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.400 the Mark Mos show, we talk about the decentralized Revolution, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.640 and I'm in the studio with Justin and Resvonni. We're 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.680 gonna talk about decentralized networks and three that are popped up, 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:01.560 including Zion in some other ones that Jack Dorsey just launched. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:03.559 We're gonna be back in a minute. I take a 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.760 quick break. We're gonna talk more about that and show 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.200 you how you can use these in what they are. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:08.920 So don't go away. We're gonna be right back in 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.760 a second. All right, welcome back. If you just tune in, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.760 you are listening to the Mark Moss Show. Of course, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.520 we talked about the decentralized revolutions here every week, and 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.160 I am coming to you from Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I'm 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.959 in studio with Justin Rezvani, the founder of Zion app 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.440 just launched version two, just launched about two weeks ago. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.079 You should check it out. I'm building the community there. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.040 You can be on my community there. Tony Robbins is 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.000 tweeting about it. I mean, come on, this is gonna 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.959 be really big. But anyway, I'm gonna just finish off 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.319 what we were talking about before and we'll get into 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.160 the decentralized networks. There's three that you should have on 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.360 you on your radar, and so anyway, but back to 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.800 this just for one second so I'd said before the 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.640 break this tweet that I saw, you know, if you're 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.040 making forty grand a year, and I'm just like, how 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.160 how ridiculous that? And you made the case. You said 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.200 something if you have the motivation. And one of my 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.560 favorite personal development gurus who I for a long time, 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.199 this guy Brian Tracy, who wrote a book called The 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.880 Psychology of Sales and talked about how if you want 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.160 to be a great salesperson in this book, he said, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.480 you know, you can go learn all the information you 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.800 need is out there, he said, But if you have 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:19.440 no motivation, I'm sorry, there's no hope for you. And 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.440 me and my wife we still laugh about that line 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.880 today ten years later or twelve years later, But that's 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.600 the truth. If you have motivation, you can learn anything. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.959 You can improve your life, you can increase your skills, 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.160 you can make more money. The very fact that other 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:32.559 people can do it means that you should able to 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.439 do it too, if you have the motivation for it. Right, absolutely, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.640 and I think you need enough motivation to leave right. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.600 I think what's happening in society also is that we're 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.520 in this comfort base layer. And this happens in relationships. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.559 This happens in jobs where that the benefit of leaving 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.040 still hasn't counteracted to you. You You haven't realized that, Like, man, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.240 if I leave, then go try something else. I don't 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.240 have enough motivation to do that. And sometimes people just 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.920 need to be pushed a little bit more to say, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.040 you know what, this job is not fulfilling for me. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.920 Let me go try something else. This relationship isn't perfect, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.360 let me try something else. So you need that motivation 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.319 just to push you there to go to that next 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:10.600 layer and say, you know what, I'm going to take 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.600 a risk and go out. Yeah. Do you do ice 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.360 baths every day? Every day? So that's a that's a 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.280 big thing that's been getting popular. I mean, so a 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.040 story about ice bats is in twenty fourteen, I went 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.040 and bought a chess freezer and I filled it up 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.840 with water and I wired it in a way that 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.720 would be turned off only one hour of the day 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.520 I could unplug it. So this was before ice baths 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.800 were cool. I would wake up every morning at six am, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.160 no matter the temperature, and I jump in that thing 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.720 to three to five minutes, and I like it was 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.199 a thing for me, not because I needed the motivation 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.280 to get into an ice bath was because it was 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.640 my mental state that so no matter what, at seven 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.640 in the morning, I'm gonna go in this thing, even 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.640 though I don't want to and I'm uncomfortable, but to 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.560 train the mind the reason why you need to go 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.640 in the ice bath because you don't want to exactly, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.320 it's I don't, I don't. Just for disclaimer, I don't 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.240 do the ice bath. I love it. I mean I 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.480 love it. I mean on my Instagram you'll see like 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.200 I put people in ice bats that have never been 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.280 in there. There's videos with a bunch of my friends 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:05.760 have millions of views because they're like, this is the 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.560 first time they were in this. It was actually just 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.600 a chess freezer, like this was before it was cool. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.320 And I was doing that since twenty fourteen. So yeah, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.400 I know Tony Robbins, who again has been tweeting about 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.360 Zion app check it out Tony Robbins tweet Twitter or Zion. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.560 But anyway, he I had seen him say he you know, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.400 he has whatever fifteen houses around the world and he 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.240 has an ice bath every single one, and he said 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.440 something like, there's never been one single day that I 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.319 haven't tried to talk myself out of it. Of course, 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.240 never once your mind is saying, like, because there's no 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:34.920 reason for you to do this, because the mind is 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.719 saying this is uncomfortable. I don't want to do this. 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:41.400 But that's where greatness has created in the uncomfortable moments. 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.959 I'll never forget my first full distance iron Man. It's 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.959 mile eighteen. Imagine, I've been up for ten hours racing 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.720 and I don't want to finish these last six miles, 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.240 But those six miles will change the rest of my 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.240 life because it's the most uncomfortable thing to do when 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.640 you've been running, biking, swimming for ten hours and you 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.920 have to go for another two hours to finish, Like, 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.800 what am I doing here? What am I? And that's 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.040 when you train the mind to tell you who's in charge, 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.640 because the mind takes over and thinks that it's in charge, 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.720 but it's not. You are. Your consciousness is what decide 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.520 you're gonna do tomorrow. You're gonna jump at that ice bath, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.920 You're gonna change your job, You're gonna leave that bad relationship. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.880 Are you gonna progress your life forward? Because you have 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.760 one chance at this? Yeah? Yeah, So that the big 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.400 takeaway is that you have to do things that make 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.480 you uncomfortable. You have to seek discomfort, You have to 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.160 seek discomfort. And now we all seek comfort and we 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.280 want comfort and like, hey, you live a pretty comfortable 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.480 damn life, right, and so do I. But we do 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.520 things to take us out of that comfort zone from 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.240 time to time. So I ride my dirt bike for 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.280 eight days across the Mexican desert and full of danger, right, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.840 Or I spend two days in the back country on 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:47.400 a motorcycle on a snowmobile bike, right, um, danger avalanches 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.080 or you could break down, you could die, right, And 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.319 it's like those things to like make us be alive. Right. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.160 And also what it does, lets will transition this right. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.600 And also what it does is then in back to 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.160 kind of making money forty times and all your job, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.360 it gives you the power to try and comfortable things 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.040 in business. And so let's talk about that for a minute. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:11.120 So you previously had a social media company. We had 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.720 an influencer marketing business and influencer marketing platform business. Yeah, 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.720 and so it was kind of built on technology and 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.760 social media a little bit and marketing influencer and ended 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.320 good with that. And then you had this idea to 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:28.080 create this decentralized network, which is much harder because it's 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:32.360 not essentially controlled thing now it's kind of depending on 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.080 decentralized creators building that. That sounds pretty hard. Yeah, it's 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.720 a very hard problem. It's a very difficult problem. But 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.720 I think my thing when I thought about this was 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.840 I kind of semi retired after I sold my last business. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.120 I was like, you know, I have enough money to 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.040 like basically be fine for the rest of my life. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.120 I'm not going to work anymore. But when I got like, 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.160 I had this brain thing, and I talked about that 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.440 in some other podcasts, and I was like, I got 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.400 to try a really hard problem, Like I want to 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.800 solve something very difficult. So I went and found one 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.400 of the hardest things I could solve, because there's already 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.120 some guy trying to go to Mars. Someone else is 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.640 building electric cars, Like, let me try to solve this problem. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.000 Speaking about that off topic, but Elon Musk has had 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:16.200 like four or five billion dollar companies in the last 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.560 five I think pomp just said this in every five years. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.560 For the past twenty years, he's built a billion dollar business. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.040 No one's ever done that before, right, Like from PayPal 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.720 to Tesla, to SpaceX, to the boring company solar City. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.840 I mean, he acquired solar City. But like those are 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:38.400 the four that's gangster. The dude is gangster. Yeah, So 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.480 I want to talk about the decentralized network. So of 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.240 course I talk about the decentralized revolution eation every week 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.440 and how the world is breaking apart, how we've gone 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.960 to the centralized world, a centralized world being a one 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.360 of global cooperation and global governance, but also all of 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.520 our institutions have become centralized. And so as someone who's 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.160 been on the Internet since the early days, it started 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.120 very decentralized, but then it became very centralize where everything 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.480 basically got controlled by Google and Facebook, etc. And now 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.000 we've seen the problems that come from that, right, so 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.320 now we've seen them misuse our data and censor us 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.640 and all those types of things. And I talk about 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.360 the decentralized revolution, how the world is breaking apart. So 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.160 no more global homogeny, no more global US dollar reserve system, 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.560 but even our infrastructure we use, our messaging platforms and 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.480 stuff is starting to get decentralized. I mean, is that 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.320 sort of the revolution that you see within that space? 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.360 Absolutely and I think we need to think about decentralization 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.840 in three aspects. First is how do you decentralize your 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.280 authorization or identity online? The next thing is how do 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.840 you think about decent decentralizing how messages are pushed out 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.240 to many people? And the final pieces, how do you 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.040 decentralize the money. Because these are the three elements that 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.320 are required to truly build a network. You can't just 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:49.920 have one of the pieces. You You can't just have 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.600 decentralized identity without decentralized payments. You also can't have decentralized 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.360 messaging without an identity on top of that service. And 0:16:58.360 --> 0:16:59.960 then you can't have data storage. So you have to 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.920 think about these problems I think in three prongs. Okay, 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.800 now those are not the problems, those are the solutions 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:12.439 to problems. I want to find out why should anybody care? So, like, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.440 we have good messaging apps or payment apps, all those 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.520 things that you said, and we have those. Those are 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.240 centralized solutions. So we obviously have Facebook, and we obviously 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.080 have Twitter, and we obviously have cash app et cetera. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.080 So I want to I want to talk more about 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.720 the inherent problems with those and then how decentralized apps 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.359 like Zion, like blue Sky could help solve that. So 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:33.480 I want to come back to that in a second. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:34.760 If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.840 Moss Show. I'm sitting down with Justin Risvani. We are 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.640 live in Wyoming, Jackson, Hawyoming at the Bitcoin ski Week conference. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.320 We're not gonna come back. We're gonna talk about, like 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.240 I said, the problems from these centralized networks and how 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.119 there are solutions to those. We'll be back in a minute. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:51.960 Don't go away, We're gonna be right back in a second. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:54.800 All right, welcome back. If you just tune in, you 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.720 are listening to the Mark Moss Show talking about the 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.520 decentralized revolution. Like each and every week, I'm sitting down 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.440 with Justin Rosvani. We are coming to you from Jackson Whole, Wyoming, 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.680 in between some powder runs and some meetings and things 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.400 like that. It's been an amazing week. But we're talking 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.960 about decentralized networks, and so you were talking about the problems. 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.480 What you're talking about the problems and solving the problem. Sure, 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.720 so let's talk about the actual problems we're trying to solve. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:23.640 So you mentioned messaging, you mentioned payments, and you mentioned ID. Yeah, 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.880 which one should we start with? Ident I think identity 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.760 is a good one to start because imagine we have 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.480 one point five billion people in the world that use 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.880 a centralized Gmail account to log into everything on the internet. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.360 It probably use it to log into their bank account. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.720