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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Network's Cubs podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick.

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Speaker 2: The Cubs are in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: They have did not look good in Game one and

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Speaker 1: they have more injuries to deal with. Closer Daniel Palencia

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Speaker 1: is headed to the injured list. We saw it happen Sunday,

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Speaker 1: pretty brutal loss to the Washington Nationals. Heading into that

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Speaker 1: ninth inning up three to one, and from the get go,

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Speaker 1: Politsiya didn't look right and by the time he exited

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Speaker 1: with a shoulder issue, the Cubs are down six to

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Speaker 1: three and he just yeah, he was kind of down

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Speaker 1: on the ground in pain. But this doesn't seem The

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Speaker 1: initial read is they're going to give it a couple

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Speaker 1: of days, kind of you know, do the normal, like

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Speaker 1: you know what's it called. These works with the trainers

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Speaker 1: and and he has all the work done on his

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Speaker 1: shoulder and they'll kind of see where it is after

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Speaker 1: the off day on Friday. So when asked is this

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Speaker 1: a season ending thing, councle was pretty honest, just that

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We have to see where we are

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Speaker 1: on Friday. So that's neither And it wasn't like an

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm getting a feeling that he's not.

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Speaker 2: Positive about this. It was literal.

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Speaker 1: It felt like a legit, like we just got to

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Speaker 1: see where he is after treatment for a few days.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's interesting to hear because honestly, reading

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Speaker 3: the coverage while in Chicago and you're on the ground

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Speaker 3: in Atlanta and just kind of putting two and two

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Speaker 3: together using a little, you know, history as our guide.

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Speaker 3: To me, this look sounded or it looked kind of

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Speaker 3: like a season ending type thing. Obviously not a doctor,

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Speaker 3: that's just sort of how these things usually go. But

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Speaker 3: that is interesting to hear that maybe with that treatment maybe.

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Speaker 4: Things go a certain way that it's not.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we don't know how long the season will go

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Speaker 3: when you factor in playoffs, and maybe that's it. But

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Speaker 3: what had you been seeing from Palencia, like before that

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Speaker 3: moment where obviously you know he's hurt, he had been

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Speaker 3: kind of he had been trending in kind of the

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Speaker 3: wrong direction for a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't. I mean, he just wasn't as effective.

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Speaker 1: But I think sometimes with him it's just about location

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Speaker 1: of the fastball. If you compare Saturdays outing to Sundays,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the stuff was degraded as much as

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Speaker 1: where he was locating the fastball. At least the pitch

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Speaker 1: to Josh Bell was very clearly like, that's not where

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Speaker 1: he wants his fastball.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, his fastball is always in the upper third

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Speaker 2: If he's gonna miss, he's gonna miss way up.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he was trying to get down

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Speaker 1: and in on on Josh Pell there, but that's we

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Speaker 1: don't really see Daniel Palencia pitch like that with this fastball.

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Speaker 2: So that's why that one was.

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Speaker 1: That seemed odd, like I mean, he clearly was off

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Speaker 1: with his command, but that's not something that's way that

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Speaker 1: you are shocked to see with Plancy when he's not right,

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Speaker 1: he's a little bit off with his command and we're

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Speaker 1: not seeing it. I guess the thing is we're not

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Speaker 1: I think that's what we used to see with before

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Speaker 1: Daniel Polancia has started getting locked in and looked like

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Speaker 1: the pitcher that he was now is now Saturday looked

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Speaker 1: like the good version of Palencia. I kind of felt like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: turning a corner here, but you're right, it was like a.

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Speaker 2: Five plus e RA in August.

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Speaker 1: E RA isn't always the best indicator for reliever, but

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Speaker 1: you could kind of see like he wasn't getting the

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Speaker 2: The out weren't as crisp.

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Speaker 1: They weren't as dominant though not the one, two, three

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Speaker 1: And frankly, like it kind of looked like it, you know,

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Speaker 1: is he like it wasn't like he was removed from

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Speaker 1: it's not like five days off, So it was it

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Speaker 1: was interesting to see Counsel was even trying, you know,

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Speaker 1: thinking about how to handle the nights differently, but maybe

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Speaker 1: it was just like all hands on deck type thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on, but there were

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Speaker 1: I just needed my best reliever in that moment, or

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Speaker 1: the ninth and I think those are Look, I think

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Speaker 1: it makes sense to use your best reliever in that

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Speaker 1: situation if you feel he's your best reliever. But traditionally

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Speaker 1: on the road in the ninth inning in a tie game,

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Speaker 1: you don't use your closer, right, That's that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the old school thought process.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, who's who's going to be the save getter? Now?

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Speaker 3: When I'm sure counsel is giving definitive, absolute.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah statements about how he was going to use

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Speaker 1: eighth inning guy, and a seventh any guy. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: out getters. How do you piece together twenty seven outs? Patrick,

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Speaker 1: That's that's the that's the answer. I think if you

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Speaker 1: pushed counsel uh to say who is your best reliever,

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Speaker 1: Brad Keller.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, I think he really trusts Andrew Kittridge.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the fan base does. I can't

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Speaker 1: get a good read on what fans think. I think

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Speaker 1: he's been really good and he's had.

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Speaker 2: Like there was one.

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Speaker 1: First of all, when you blow a one run lead

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Speaker 1: That for me, that's on the offense, like you build

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Speaker 1: bad outing Kiddridge. But other than that, his his numbers

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Speaker 2: I like him.

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Speaker 1: I like his demeanor. I like his uh, his ability

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Speaker 1: And I think Council kind of looks at it this way,

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: There are three more outs that you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: Is it Porter Hodge who looked really good over the

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Speaker 1: opportunities now, is it? Soroka? Michael Soroka who has had

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Speaker 1: is both Soroka in Council says velocity is back to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Soroka, Kittridge, if they can get find

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Speaker 3: And I know this, it's imperfect in terms of trying

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Speaker 4: Going to perform over two months in shorter bursts.

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Speaker 3: But we saw the Padres have made you know, high

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Speaker 3: Like we thought they would have been more aggressive on

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Speaker 3: a regression was coming. I mean, Pam Rans steel Bar,

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Speaker 4: They have time, but they need to find some.

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Speaker 2: Solutions real quick before we take a break.

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Speaker 1: I know some people raise their eyebrows at us, suggesting

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Speaker 1: that they should get someone like Ryso Iglesias, or that

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Speaker 1: Iglesius was on the radar one run in his last

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Speaker 1: There were there's a couple more injuries obviously to the lineup.

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Speaker 2: Look, these things are I don't want.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe is it worth getting four extra

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Speaker 1: I guess it's the question three or four of you know, okay, okay?

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Speaker 3: Then it is like when it's Kyle Tucker, I have

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Speaker 2: The game, you know, how you check, how's he going

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Speaker 4: Are you ruling this out? But I mean he better

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I don't. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think if this drags out and he doesn't play

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Speaker 1: If it's if it's today, if it's Wednesday, then fine whatever.

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Speaker 1: Is player driven at times. With PCA, I think this

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Speaker 1: He said he could go out there and play center field,

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Speaker 1: I don't get annoyed very often watching this team, just

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Speaker 1: Like that was one of the worst showings I've seen

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Speaker 1: it was just nothing like they were putting up no offense.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was a hard watch and it was quick at

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Speaker 1: bats just didn't look like a lot of times you

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Speaker 1: watch this. I watched this and I see, Okay, they're

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Speaker 1: That's a good at bat. They're not cashing. It's just

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Speaker 1: the big hit. No, it wasn't that. It was just

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Speaker 3: rolling after they resets, and that appeared to be happening,

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Speaker 3: and then they both get it injured. I was on

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Speaker 3: that road trip where it was, you know, Tucker and

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Speaker 3: PCA both looked back that was a pre pa reset

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Speaker 3: in Anaheim. But okay, they sweep the Angels, then they

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Speaker 3: get swept by the Giants, and then you hope Colorado

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Speaker 3: would maybe kind of spark something.

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Speaker 4: And it didn't.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 3: You'd think facing just an awful Nationals team three day

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Speaker 3: games at Wrigley Field, you think the Nationals might be

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Speaker 3: a little tired after having three nights in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: They they battled they won a series against the Cubs.

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Speaker 3: But also you can't really like Panic because their playoff

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Speaker 3: positioning is pretty solid. I think you'd want a home

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Speaker 3: series at Wrigley for a number of reasons, including how

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Speaker 3: awesome the padres are at Peco. I mean, in April

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Speaker 3: it was electric. I could only imagine what would be

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Speaker 3: like for a playoff series. And then yeah, you you know,

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Speaker 3: you see a couple injuries here and there, and it

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Speaker 3: just becomes us like, you know, what other cards do

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Speaker 3: they have to play here? I mean, it's basically just

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Speaker 3: hoping that Pete and Sayah and Tucker start hitting home

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Speaker 3: runs again, because you're right, the world doesn't need another

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Speaker 3: Bears podcast.

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Speaker 4: But the Coves had a lot of you know, kind

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Speaker 4: of three and outs. There a lot of just dead.

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Speaker 3: Time for just these long stretches that make it less

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Speaker 3: than entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it you know, I was talking to some of

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Speaker 1: the other writers and look at the the rest of

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Speaker 1: the league, not just the rest of the league, The

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Speaker 1: rest of MLB is a mass. Yeah that's I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't see a team that you're like, well, how

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Speaker 1: are they going to beat them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You can. You can point out all the flaws

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Speaker 2: that the Cubs have.

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Speaker 1: And I can point to every other team and say

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Speaker 1: look at this, that and the other. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of issues going around baseball. The Phillies looked like the

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Speaker 1: team to beat, and they lost their best pitcher and

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Speaker 1: one of their best all round position players and Trey Turner.

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Speaker 2: So Turner may be back before the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But still, the point is everyone's dealing with a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff, but specifically with the Cubs, none of it matters.

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Speaker 1: None of it matters. Forget what the other teams are doing.

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Speaker 1: Nothing matters with the Cubs until the offense gets going.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be April and May where

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Speaker 1: they were scoring six plus runs a game. But it

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Speaker 1: can't be what it has been. This is and you know,

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Speaker 1: I like to preach patients. I like to say, let's

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Speaker 1: see where this is going. It's been long enough. We've

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Speaker 1: all been patient enough. And the fans that were worried

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Speaker 1: a month ago, look, if you want to get worried early,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. I think it's a little it's a you know,

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Speaker 1: sounding alarm belts too quickly, but the reality is it's

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Speaker 1: dragged out. It's to say, we've talked about this. We've

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Speaker 1: gotten some questions in our mail bag, like why does

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Speaker 1: this happen every year? I don't think anyone has those

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Speaker 1: answers because last year our answer was you get a

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Speaker 1: superstar and you don't and that carries you through these slumps.

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Speaker 1: Apparently that's not the answer. I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: answer is. But you know, teams go through slumps and

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Speaker 1: they can be weeks long and sometimes they can be

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Speaker 1: a full month. But this is going on far too

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Speaker 1: long of an offensive downtick with no consistency. I think

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Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing we said, Like you said, there's

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Speaker 1: flashes of it. There were flashes on that road trip,

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Speaker 1: there was there were flashes.

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Speaker 2: I really liked the.

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Speaker 1: Comeback against Atlanta a week ago Friday against the Nationals.

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Speaker 2: Great game. But other than that, you know, that's all

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Speaker 2: it is. That's all.

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Speaker 1: It's been flashes other than then, and then it goes

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Speaker 1: back to a lot of what fans complained about in

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Speaker 1: like twenty three, and you know, even last year or

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Speaker 1: even years in bad seasons where it's like, oh, here's

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Speaker 1: a ten run game and then five games of one,

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Speaker 1: two or three runs and.

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Speaker 2: That's not going to be enough. It puts too much pressure.

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Speaker 2: This is another thing.

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Speaker 1: It puts pressure on the staff, not just the starters.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about relievers. You then have to use these

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Speaker 1: relievers too much. And this is what happened down the

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Speaker 1: stretch of twenty three. Too many close games. Bullpen got

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Speaker 1: worn down and it costs them. You don't want your

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Speaker 1: bullpen arms to get worn down. Brad Keller hasn't given

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Speaker 1: up a run since July, since before the All Star Break.

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Speaker 1: You don't want him to get worn down. You don't

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Speaker 1: want Kiddridge to get worn down.

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Speaker 2: So these are the things you need. You need the

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Speaker 2: offense to get going and win you some games.

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Speaker 1: I'm not as concerned about the wins and losses yet

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Speaker 1: as I am, like, just get the offense going and

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Speaker 1: let's see these guys look a little bit better heading

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Speaker 1: into the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I agree you prefer home field against the Padres.

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Speaker 1: I just think like it's much more important that these

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Speaker 1: guys get going in I see an offense that looks

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Speaker 1: close to what was early in the season, and then

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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, now I trust that they can do

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Speaker 1: some make some noise, and do some damage.

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Speaker 2: Haven't seen it in a little while.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: This has been going on for so long, like the

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Speaker 3: idea of bringing a superstar in, like Kyle Tucker hasn't

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Speaker 3: been a superstar for months several, I mean weeks, however,

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Speaker 3: wherever you want to set the kind of demarcation line, Uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, Saya Suzuki not hitting home runs. Pete's been

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Speaker 3: stuck on whatever it is, twenty seven to twenty eight

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Speaker 3: home runs for a while.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I guess you got the one in Anaheim. But obviously

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Speaker 4: those you know.

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Speaker 3: First to twenty five home runs, you know twenty I've

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Speaker 3: stolen bases under twenty four whatever those stats were that

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Speaker 3: kept popping up, Like, don't really hear those anymore. And

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Speaker 3: I guess the only they're two good things. You make

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00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: a great point. Ken Rosenthal wrote about this on The

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Speaker 3: Athletic the other day, like all these contenders are flawed,

559
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Speaker 3: Like this one hundred and sixty two game season is

560
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: just such a marathon. It's so brutal on players that

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Speaker 3: everyone's kind of dragging. The Dodgers don't look like the

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Speaker 3: greatest team of all time, Like I don't think they're

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Speaker 3: gonna win one hundred and twenty games or whatever, and

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Speaker 3: so from there, the Phillies banged up. Their best pitcher

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Speaker 3: is out and Wheeler, some of those posies the left

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Speaker 3: side of their infield. Basically yeah, Shell, So that, you know,

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Speaker 3: kind of relatively speaking, is a little encouraging. And then honestly,

568
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Speaker 3: like it's crazy, but this is how playoff baseball. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna come down to like one or two pitches and

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Speaker 3: then we'll just right you know, these kind of sweeping

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Speaker 3: things like you know, if if Pete or Tucker or

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Speaker 3: Saya just like nail that one pitch and that swings

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Speaker 3: the first game and then they win a series, or

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Speaker 3: if you know, they foul it straight back. You know,

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Speaker 3: during the regular season they talk about you might only

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Speaker 3: get one good pitch to hit per at bad I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't know how that translates against the best

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Speaker 3: team's best pitchers in the playoffs, but like that's kind

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Speaker 3: of the margins we're talking about here in a three

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Speaker 3: game series of like do you do you get the bounce,

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Speaker 3: does the ball land, does it get caught? Is it

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Speaker 3: a line drive right at someone or maybe you know,

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Speaker 3: a couple of inches the other way, Like it's kind

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Speaker 3: of it's gonna be razor thin here, and I think

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Speaker 3: that's why Counts loves to say the why, that's the

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Speaker 3: story we tell ourselves afterwards, Like that is very much

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Speaker 3: his thinking. But his frustration, his annoyance was obvious reading

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Speaker 3: the quotes, watching the videos online, like he knows, he

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Speaker 3: knows that this needs to get straightened out fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I appreciate his patience with it.

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Speaker 1: But I also appreciated the fact that he was annoyed because,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I was watching this, I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: is bad offense, Like this is not good the way

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Speaker 1: they were performed.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it is a bad offense.

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Speaker 1: What I saw on Monday night was a bad performance,

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Speaker 1: and I think everyone was annoyed by it, and it

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Speaker 1: was good to see that kind of reaction. Even Nico

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Speaker 1: had some pointed comments, and I appreciated it. I appreciated

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Speaker 1: hearing it, and I'm sure fans kind of liked it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they want more screaming and yelling, but this is

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Speaker 1: this is how I think it teams should react.

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Speaker 2: This is their now spot right.

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Speaker 1: You don't want them screaming yelling if that's not how

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Speaker 1: they actually behave. But I appreciated, like a little bit

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Speaker 1: of realness with that and not like oh, it'll come,

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Speaker 1: it'll come, it'll come.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it will, but it's time to get going,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, two more in Atlanta and then a home series

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Speaker 1: against U I believe a raised team that's playing pretty well.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a couple more episodes this week coming at you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening everyone, This is north Side Territory.

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Speaker 1: Make sure to rate, review, subscribe, subscribe to the YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: on top of all things cubs.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening everyone.

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Speaker 5: Take it.

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Speaker 2: They don't long to live.

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Speaker 5: Reord