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Speaker 1: of wonder Man on Disney Plus. We warn't Oo.
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Speaker 2: Week plus news plus news. Today's episode, Wow, guys, I've
Speaker 2: been waiting to talk about this show for so long.
Speaker 2: It's wonder Man. It's out. You guys are loving it.
Speaker 2: You're loving it in the discord, the people are loving it,
Speaker 2: the critics are loving it. It's marvels. Hello, good omen
Speaker 2: for our twenty twenty six in the MCU. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna be talking about episodes one through four. So if
Speaker 2: you haven't watched them yet, you know, go and watch them,
Speaker 2: then come back or listen to us and then go
Speaker 2: watch them and listen again.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're covering the first four episodes of this binge
Speaker 1: dropped series, wonder Man, which is wonderful and very very fun.
Speaker 1: Let's quickly recap this chunk. So Episode one is Mattinee.
Speaker 1: We meet Simon Williams, who is a struggling but very
Speaker 1: dedicated actor who is, you know, like many in LA
Speaker 1: searching for that big break, is not finding it, not
Speaker 1: finding it, not finding it. He gets fired from a
Speaker 1: show because he's, you know, trying to do too much,
Speaker 1: basically with he's doing too much one the small part
Speaker 1: that he has, he's trying to do too much. He
Speaker 1: meets he also breaks up with his girlfriend, and then
Speaker 1: he meets Trevor Slattery. We all know him as once
Speaker 1: the frontman for a terrorist organization, but now just kind
Speaker 1: of a normal, washed up actor who's since been cleared
Speaker 1: after the events of Iron Man two. Trevor tells Simon
Speaker 1: that he really wants to remake the classic wonder Man
Speaker 1: film directed by von Kovac, and Simon is, like, I
Speaker 1: got an audition for this. They connect over the opportunity
Speaker 1: and Simon lands an audition, which he hopes that Trevor
Speaker 1: can help him with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's about right. And what I really love
Speaker 2: about that episode is we kind of establish that Simon
Speaker 2: is a very lonely guy, but his hyperfixation, his love
Speaker 2: is acting, and when he was a little kid, his
Speaker 2: dad would take him to go and watch wonder Man,
Speaker 2: which were these kind of Saturday morning serials in this world.
Speaker 2: And obviously we learn in that first episode two that
Speaker 2: Simon has some kind of budgeoning superhero powers. We're just
Speaker 2: not sure what. We just get a glow of his
Speaker 2: eyes here, and it is also revealed that Trevor is
Speaker 2: not necessarily to be trust and then we move into
Speaker 2: episode two where after Simon's imprompt you interview that by
Speaker 2: the way, he scammed his way into and I love
Speaker 2: that moment. There's so many good La moments here. There's
Speaker 2: a fantastic La show and he scams his way into
Speaker 2: the audition. They love him, and the casting director for
Speaker 2: wonder Man says, Okay, look self tape for this shitty
Speaker 2: indie movie and then at least I'll have some proof
Speaker 2: of how good you were. And Simon cannot get the
Speaker 2: self tape right, it's literally two lines. He is obsessed.
Speaker 2: He's doing it in his apartment. He calls Trevor. Trevor's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll come to your house where he wants to spy
Speaker 2: on him for the Department of Damage Control, but instead
Speaker 2: Simon's like, you can't come in there. Maybe I punched
Speaker 2: a giant hole in the wall, or maybe I didn't,
Speaker 2: who knows. So Trevor takes him too. In one of
Speaker 2: the best cameos of the year, Joey panta Liano's house,
Speaker 2: Joey Pants and Joy Joey Pants to record this incredible
Speaker 2: sale tape that's going to get Simon the job. But
Speaker 2: when we get there, it becomes quite clear that there
Speaker 2: is a very complicated relationship. And while Joey Pants and
Speaker 2: Trevor world wants close, Trevor's kind of misled Simon about
Speaker 2: their closeness. There was a falling out, but in one
Speaker 2: of the moments that sort of gets you really emotionally
Speaker 2: connected with what this show is doing so well, Joey
Speaker 2: pushes it a little bit too far and Simon just
Speaker 2: stands up for Trevor, and the two of them go
Speaker 2: back to Simon's apartment and they make a fantastic video
Speaker 2: and they really feel like he's gonna get this role.
Speaker 2: And again, this show is just so wonderful, And we
Speaker 2: get this moment where Trevor sees that the wall has
Speaker 2: this huge hole in it and Simon's like, hey, you
Speaker 2: like Pepperoni pizza, and Trevor just goes yeah, I love
Speaker 2: Pepperoni pizza, and there's kind of this burgeoning friendship that's
Speaker 2: so powerful by the end of episode two, which makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense because episode three years Are is
Speaker 2: like a big emotional kind of core episode.
Speaker 1: Then we go to episode three Pacoma, in which Simon
Speaker 1: takes Trevor to his hometown. Trevor in the previous episode
Speaker 1: has successfully placed the damage hacking ring or a ring.
Speaker 1: Very funny by the way that damage control is like,
Speaker 1: we want you to spy on Simon. Take this ring,
Speaker 1: which was like his whole thing as a man when
Speaker 1: he was pretending to be the Mandarin and the leader
Speaker 1: of the fucking ten rings. Take this ring, place it
Speaker 1: on Simon's computer, and it will do all the hacking
Speaker 1: for you. He's managed to do that. Now in episode
Speaker 1: three Pacoima, Simon takes Trevor to meet his family out
Speaker 1: of Pacoima, and we learned through a flashback that Simon
Speaker 1: at one point was like in a house fire and
Speaker 1: was completely unharmed. So we're learning more about Simon's apparent powers,
Speaker 1: you know. We see a lot of like the family
Speaker 1: conflict at the home and see how all of this
Speaker 1: has led Simon to be the person he is and
Speaker 1: seek out acting as that kind of way to put
Speaker 1: himself to characters we understand, like why he loves movies
Speaker 1: and TV from the kind of interactions that he has
Speaker 1: with his family and his brother and his mom, who
Speaker 1: is very supportive of everything he does. It's also clear
Speaker 1: that he's like not he's telling them he's more successful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is, is getting more opportunities than he is.
Speaker 2: His brother obviously not a fan of Simon's lifestyle, right.
Speaker 1: Trevor learns about this interesting these hints that Simon is unique,
Speaker 1: perhaps is a super powered individual. He successfully records these
Speaker 1: as damage control wants him to do. But then deciding,
Speaker 1: you know, like the family is like, oh, you're such
Speaker 1: a good friend, you know, And we were worried when
Speaker 1: Simon moved down to to you know, moved across the
Speaker 1: mountain to La, over the hill to La, that he
Speaker 1: was going to be lonely and he wasn't gonna have friends,
Speaker 1: and you're seeming such a great friend to him, and
Speaker 1: this is You're exactly what he needs. He needs someone
Speaker 1: like you in his life who's supporting him and knows
Speaker 1: the acting the ropes of the industry and what it
Speaker 1: takes to climb up that mountain, and Trevor, feeling absolutely
Speaker 1: terrible now you know, erases the recording and it's like,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Do that and then Chemist at.
Speaker 1: The end they get it's wonderful. There's a moment where
Speaker 1: there's a big fight, like an argument that's going on
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, where Simon releases that what I take
Speaker 1: to be like an ionic ionics, those ionic powered powers.
Speaker 1: And at the end, Simon gets the callback for the
Speaker 1: Wonderman film, alongside Trevor, who also gets a callback for
Speaker 1: the for the Wonderman film.
Speaker 2: Also, I want to say, Simon, I love you so much.
Speaker 2: I love your pure hearted nature. But why does this
Speaker 2: man not have representation and why was he reading for
Speaker 2: the pall if nobody knows what he is? Like, let's
Speaker 2: be a bit more suspicious. That's why we're gonna leave
Speaker 2: all main characters who we love and in this burgeoning
Speaker 2: new friendship, and we're going to head into a really
Speaker 2: surreal bottle. Episode episode four, it's Doorman. It's the history
Speaker 2: of DeMar Doorman Davis, who we learn is the reason
Speaker 2: that superheroics and superheroes are actually banned from being on
Speaker 2: sets in real movies, and that is because there was
Speaker 2: a guy called DeMar the Doorman Davis, who could create
Speaker 2: essentially like a portal through his stomach that allowed things
Speaker 2: to pass through. One night, he's at a club, Josh
Speaker 2: Gadd is there playing himself, singing a rap version of
Speaker 2: Summer by Olaf, and he ends up having to save
Speaker 2: the lives of the people in the club by allowing
Speaker 2: them to go through his stomach portal. Josh Gadd takes
Speaker 2: him on as kind of like a slightly problematic sidekick
Speaker 2: and eventually ropes him into being in a movie called
Speaker 2: cash Grab hilarious, and unfortunately, Josh Gadd goes through DeMar's
Speaker 2: body and doesn't come out, and we learn that that
Speaker 2: is why superheroes were banned in what they call the
Speaker 2: Doorman clause. We earlier saw that Simon l about not
Speaker 2: having superpowers to be on and his wonder Man audition,
Speaker 2: and then at the end we see Simon actually watching
Speaker 2: it when he's on a TV show playing a nurse
Speaker 2: and seeing them bring in this Dorman closes and he
Speaker 2: just clause and he walks out, and that's where we
Speaker 2: leave the first four episodes of wonder Man.
Speaker 1: Quite a bit of retcon. Oh world building here, Let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then let's talk about this episode. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back. So first of all, we must discuss the
Speaker 1: fact that apparently in the MCU there have been issues
Speaker 1: regarding superpowered people who have been below the radar of
Speaker 1: the eventers people that we it's you know, very funny
Speaker 1: to me that this is built around Doorman, who in
Speaker 1: the comics was the Lakes Avenger, and the Great Lakes
Speaker 1: Avengers were basically like exactly what it sounds like, They're
Speaker 1: like the fourth They're like the fourth String Avenger team.
Speaker 1: And and we learned that there have been superpowered people
Speaker 1: in Hollywood for a bit and the and in fact
Speaker 1: had risen to some amount of fame, like Doorman was
Speaker 1: like it was like a guy for for for a
Speaker 1: number of years. But because of this uh you know,
Speaker 1: terrible work workplace incident in which Josh Gad was swallowed
Speaker 1: by mister Davis incredible to the period into into some
Speaker 1: like shadow realm uh that all of the Hollywood players
Speaker 1: and apparently the unions also got together and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: from now on, too high insurance, the insurance rates are horrendous. Therefore,
Speaker 1: superpowered people cannot have like I guess, recurring roles in TV,
Speaker 1: and cannot be like above the line. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like what is that? That's why I'm wondering, we need
Speaker 1: what is the gotta know?
Speaker 2: We gotta know that is actually I think ironically that's
Speaker 2: one of the powerful things about this show is like
Speaker 2: so much of the MCU includes a lot of plausible,
Speaker 2: you know, deniability, Like can you just imagine that something's
Speaker 2: gonna happen? Can you suspend your this belief? What I
Speaker 2: love about this show is like we are thinking it's
Speaker 2: so grounded in the reality of acting that we really
Speaker 2: are like okay, but like, can you have like somebody
Speaker 2: who's really got like you know, what if they just
Speaker 2: have a superpower that allows them to find really cool fabrics?
Speaker 2: Like can they be your costume designer? Or is that
Speaker 2: too dangerous? Like does it have to be a is
Speaker 2: it like a superpower where you have to go inside
Speaker 2: somebody else? That's a very specific choice. Josh gab May.
Speaker 1: I think what they should have done is ban the
Speaker 1: use of superpowers on set and ban the use of
Speaker 1: authentic superpowers in movie production, Like you can't use your power,
Speaker 1: you can't use your power. Like let's say Pyro is
Speaker 1: in a movie. He can't use his fire power on set,
Speaker 1: like you'd have to make that would have to be
Speaker 1: CGI or some kind of like other special effects. But
Speaker 1: he can't like really do it. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what they should have done. You can't. It's done to
Speaker 1: like ban super peer superpowered people. Uh, you know, writ large,
Speaker 1: what they should have done is like ban all use
Speaker 1: of superpowers. Now you're gonna have You're gonna have weird
Speaker 1: incidents now where like somebody with a healing factor or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, like less subtle, more subtle powers might fly
Speaker 1: under the radar, but yeah, you just can't use them
Speaker 1: on set or in any way benefiting the movie production.
Speaker 2: I think, Jason, that you're absolutely right that is a
Speaker 2: sensible option. I would also say, I think that what
Speaker 2: we're seeing here is the establishment once again of damage
Speaker 2: control as essentially like a authoritarian government arm. We saw
Speaker 2: that in Miss Marvel. Obviously they were hunting down kids
Speaker 2: who had mutations. We know they've been using essentially what
Speaker 2: seems like pre sentinel technology to find people who have superpowers.
Speaker 2: So I think this is establishing the fear and oppression
Speaker 2: and hatred that we need to have an X Men
Speaker 2: in their MCU. That makes sense, and I love that
Speaker 2: we're getting to see it from these almost like street
Speaker 2: eye views. I'm not even calling it like street level
Speaker 2: because Spider Man's a street level hero when he saves
Speaker 2: his little local neighborhood. I'm talking about the fact, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna say kind of like what she Hawk did,
Speaker 2: so well, if you're gonna say that, this is a
Speaker 2: world where you can have a Captain America or you
Speaker 2: can have a Bucky. Marvel has never been the DC
Speaker 2: universe where there's a pantheon of gods. This is a
Speaker 2: Marvel universe where anyone could have those powers. So I
Speaker 2: think there's something so refreshing and fun and inventive about
Speaker 2: showing us this from the smallest possible perspective of just
Speaker 2: a regular guy trying to get along in his job.
Speaker 2: I think that is fascinating, and I think this essentially
Speaker 2: sets up a great way for them to introduce multiple
Speaker 2: different genres, vibes, tones also, guys. I know, obviously the
Speaker 2: big thing here is the studio. The studio. The studio.
Speaker 2: This is like the studio by got crazy news for you.
Speaker 2: This show was wrapped like before the studio even came out.
Speaker 2: So this is just one of those things where people
Speaker 2: had a similar story in mind. They were thinking about
Speaker 2: working in LA, the struggles of being a creative and
Speaker 2: all those things. And I think that that meta angle
Speaker 2: serves the MCU really well here, and I just generally
Speaker 2: think they should be making more things like this. I
Speaker 2: also cannot imagine that the budget was as high as
Speaker 2: the other SEE shows where they were spending fifty sixty
Speaker 2: million an episode. So yeah, and also as well, like
Speaker 2: what a fantastic idea to just be like, well, we're
Speaker 2: making a show about an actor, so we just need
Speaker 2: to hire a really good actor. Like the first episode,
Speaker 2: all the highlights are just Yah Yah doing like different
Speaker 2: freaking acting exercises and bits, and you just want to
Speaker 2: keep watching him because he's so good. That's a fee
Speaker 2: of storytelling. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that I like about this show
Speaker 1: is the fact that it's so charming and kind of
Speaker 1: low stakes. I mean that like in a not mean way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no complimentary in this and then the load bearing stuff,
Speaker 1: the stuff that connects it to the MCU is is
Speaker 1: a much lighter touch, And I think you're right, what
Speaker 1: they've it's basically all damage control. What they've basically done
Speaker 1: is as they've in previous MCU properties. They're positioning damage
Speaker 1: control as like the we jail superheroes. We put superheroes
Speaker 1: in jail well, and I think it's a great on
Speaker 1: ramp for some of the stuff that we're going to
Speaker 1: need for the X Men. Let's let's do a quick
Speaker 1: refresher on damage control. We first see them post post
Speaker 1: Infinity War in Spider Man Homecoming, we see them doing,
Speaker 1: you know, seizing alien tech, doing a lot of clean
Speaker 1: up after the Battle of New York. Of course, that
Speaker 1: alien tech would then.
Speaker 2: Fall to various.
Speaker 1: Villainous forces who want to use it as for their
Speaker 1: own benefit, but also to sell on the black market.
Speaker 1: This leads directly to the creation of the Vulture and
Speaker 1: other things. And then we go to Miss Marvel, where
Speaker 1: the Department of Damage Control UH is more of an
Speaker 1: overt villain, tracking Kamalakon as a superhuman threat, et cetera.
Speaker 1: This is again going to be directly UH I think
Speaker 1: relevant to the X Men, and of course absolutely Kamala
Speaker 1: is a mutant, so they are already tracking mutants. In
Speaker 1: She Hulk, we learn that they have detention facilities for
Speaker 1: enhanced individuals. They have the legal authority to imprison superhumans.
Speaker 1: They arrest Shee Hulk, they take her blood. You know,
Speaker 1: they're part of the government basically, and part of the
Speaker 1: government's wing of superhuman basically control.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and Ian made a great I to Wonderman. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and Ian made a great point like they basically have
Speaker 2: to fill the super prisons because they've built them, and
Speaker 2: that is like such a good commentary I feel, I
Speaker 2: have to say. So, I'm in a I was in
Speaker 2: the discord this morning, lots of people were watching it
Speaker 2: and there was a question in there from Muff nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy six that is in this space And I have
Speaker 2: actually changed my mind on this with wonder Man, because
Speaker 2: as everyone knows, I was a big damage control fan.
Speaker 2: I Leftdway mcduffee, so I didn't love this kind of
Speaker 2: military government version of them, but I think it works,
Speaker 2: especially in the state of the world that way. And now,
Speaker 2: so this is what Muff said, And I'll ask you, Jason,
Speaker 2: what do you think of the role of damage control
Speaker 2: in the MCU, Like do you enjoy that take and
Speaker 2: do you feel like Agent Cleary is kind of a
Speaker 2: new anti Nick Fury, Well, how do you read how
Speaker 2: they've kind of reimagined them and why that's gonna lie? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do like it.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not quite enough for us to really
Speaker 1: understand the true nefariousness of it. We've seen the inside
Speaker 1: of the prison a little bit. We've obviously seen Cleary
Speaker 1: running around tracking people, but it's not a lot of
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like the it's very like Cloak and Dagger,
Speaker 1: like it's about tracking people and seeing do they have
Speaker 1: powers or they're hiding them. That's very nefarious, but there's
Speaker 1: not been a lot of like open confrontation, say what's
Speaker 1: the aim and why are they doing it? If the
Speaker 1: reason is to make sure that superpowered people don't like
Speaker 1: destroy property, break the law, et cetera, you know, and
Speaker 1: to and basically as a law enforcement arm, like you know,
Speaker 1: where do you put a criminal with superpowers? You're going
Speaker 1: to have to put them in a much more stranger jail. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm eager to see how this, if indeed it does
Speaker 1: evolve into like a Sentinel type program. I'm here to
Speaker 1: see how that happens and why, because right now, philosophically,
Speaker 1: it just seems to be you know, it's all about prisons,
Speaker 1: it's all about it's all about where do we store
Speaker 1: superhuman people who are who have committed crimes? So how
Speaker 1: does that then change to we're going out and hunting
Speaker 1: and persecuting people who have powers that have committed no crime.
Speaker 1: That is switch that I'm waiting to see me too.
Speaker 2: So Ian made a great point that Cleary is not
Speaker 2: necessarily like at the top of the totem pole, like
Speaker 2: he's not filling the raft or whatever, like this is
Speaker 2: a small prison he needs to fill. He's going off
Speaker 2: the low level. Subero's Like Simon, I am really interested
Speaker 2: to see who our Machiavelli and kind of mind behind
Speaker 2: damage Control is because it could definitely be a kind
Speaker 2: of you know, industry plant type situation where somebody in
Speaker 2: the government who hates mutants, who hates superpower people, is
Speaker 2: trying to stoke fear and division. Would be interesting to
Speaker 2: maybe see if they're even a mutant themselves and they
Speaker 2: want to get humans to you know, attack mutants and
Speaker 2: then have mutants up rise up. You know, that sounds
Speaker 2: like something Magneto would do. But yeah, I'm very interested
Speaker 2: to see if who the real person behind damage control
Speaker 2: is I also would love a real damage control just
Speaker 2: a bunch of cool people who go around and clean
Speaker 2: up after the thing. So maybe we'd get in the future,
Speaker 2: maybe that's a reform damage control, But I think for
Speaker 2: now we're gonna find out that somebody be scary and big,
Speaker 2: has a big agenda for them, and we're just seeing
Speaker 2: the foot soldiers right now. That's my feeling.
Speaker 1: I want to see. You know, we haven't really picked
Speaker 1: up the thread of sword that was there.
Speaker 2: After the real.
Speaker 1: WandaVision stuff, and Sword, if you recall, was the government
Speaker 1: agency that was tasked with controlling and studying sentient technology,
Speaker 1: so like vision and I could and so I guess
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's a world in which damage control
Speaker 1: and Sword kind of like get merged together in a
Speaker 1: in a like MCU Department of Homeland Security against super.
Speaker 2: Visually see that oh.
Speaker 1: And that like vision technology, sentient technology then gets turned
Speaker 1: into like sentinel technology that's then used combined with jamage
Speaker 1: controls kind of like uh intel that they've gleaned from
Speaker 1: tracking Howard people, Yeah, surveillance, and they turned that into
Speaker 1: a kind of sentinel Dude, I think that I wonder
Speaker 1: if you called it like because.
Speaker 2: Honestly, we saw in Wondervision when Monica was looking around,
Speaker 2: we saw those giant robots like we all had those
Speaker 2: conversations are sword building sentinels while these become sentinels. I
Speaker 2: love that, Jason. I want to ask you a big
Speaker 2: question that this show leaves me with less to do
Speaker 2: with what it sets up or doesn't set up, because
Speaker 2: I think it's a fantastic show, and we can talk
Speaker 2: a little bit more about that in this conversation. But Jason,
Speaker 2: as somebody who follows this stuff, we talk about it
Speaker 2: for our job. We write stories with both written comics.
Speaker 2: You've written comics at Marvel. What does a Marvel spotlight
Speaker 2: mean in the MCU. I think we still trying to
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 1: So yes, So wonder Man is a Marvel spotlight, as
Speaker 1: was Echo, as was was wherewolf by Night technically a
Speaker 1: Marvel spotlight, wherewolf by Night was a special presentation, was
Speaker 1: not technically a Marvel spotlight. So it's Echo and now
Speaker 1: wonder Man, Now Marvel spotlight seems to me to be
Speaker 1: here is the my realistic read. My realistic read is
Speaker 1: Marvel's spotlight is a term lifted from the Comics, an
Speaker 1: anthology comic series within Marvel that again highlighted a particular
Speaker 1: hero or group of heroes for one story that would
Speaker 1: not then continue. I think that the Spotlight brand is
Speaker 1: basically a reverse engineered way for Marvel to like clear
Speaker 1: the decks of the stuff that they had in production
Speaker 1: that started rolling down the track before Marvel decided, oh,
Speaker 1: we made too much stuff and we got to cut it.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a way for them. It's basically
Speaker 1: like a you know, like a like a clearing house
Speaker 1: of stuff, and if any of it sticks, maybe it'll
Speaker 1: become an ongoing series.
Speaker 2: Yes, it does.
Speaker 1: It's a way for them. It's a way for them
Speaker 1: to get off of stuff and to put it out
Speaker 1: without being married to it being an ongoing series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's basically a mini series. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: love that. Yeah, that's the perfect read. Also, I would
Speaker 2: say as well, it is interesting because I do think,
Speaker 2: like quality wise, the final thing that we got with
Speaker 2: wonder Man is obviously a much higher quality, much more streamlined,
Speaker 2: much less chopped up in the edit than what we
Speaker 2: got with Echo. But I do think that this is
Speaker 2: the right thing Marvel, which should be doing with the TV.
Speaker 2: The movies need to look like the movies everybody loves them.
Speaker 2: We got our great phase one of Disney plus Originals
Speaker 2: where we did get those deeper conne actions. But let's
Speaker 2: tell these weird stories. Like when I was growing up,
Speaker 2: there was a fan comic that was online called like
Speaker 2: Life as a Hufflepuff or Life as a Background Hufflepuff
Speaker 2: or something, and me and my friend were obsessed with
Speaker 2: it because the whole funny story was just like, what
Speaker 2: would it be like to be somebody in the background
Speaker 2: of a somebody else's story? Right? And I think that
Speaker 2: is what wonder Man Echo this incredible, you know, Night
Speaker 2: of the Seven Kingdoms, Like it's giving us these different views,
Speaker 2: and I think that it's giving us something we can't
Speaker 2: get in the cinema, especially with wond Amount. Well even
Speaker 2: with Echo, you don't get an indigenous, female, disabled, death
Speaker 2: led action movie in the cinema as much as we should.
Speaker 2: So I think, like these movies are these spaces can
Speaker 2: tell really interesting stories. I just want Marvel to trust
Speaker 2: the creators as much as they trust trusted Death's them
Speaker 2: with this, because you can feel this is like a
Speaker 2: full artist's vision, like the show does not feel like
Speaker 2: it was compromised or confused, though they did hold it
Speaker 2: for a long time, So I do think that that
Speaker 2: hints maybe Mavel wasn't as sure of it as they
Speaker 2: are now.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that the trust is it trust or
Speaker 1: is it just that they loosened the restrictions in terms
Speaker 1: of how many connections there needed to be. They could
Speaker 1: be the strength to me, the strength of wonder Man
Speaker 1: is like, they don't need all this load bearing stuff
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, now we gotta lead. This has
Speaker 1: to lead to Doomsday, and this has to lead to
Speaker 1: the X Men, and this part needs to connect here,
Speaker 1: and we need to make sure that when Wonderman shows
Speaker 1: up on this that people are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what's Wonderman. They don't need it, doesn't They don't need
Speaker 1: to do that. Like, it's really nice to have Slattery
Speaker 1: come in, but he's always been a tangential character one
Speaker 1: that they've done like a wonderful honestly, Like, I I
Speaker 1: liked the twist that Slattery was not the Mandarin, but
Speaker 1: I love everything they've done with this since sing Into like.
Speaker 2: Has been so much more interesting ever since shang Chi. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: so something I learned, and I guess why Destin is
Speaker 2: in charge of this is that actually this was originally
Speaker 2: just going to be a Trevor Slattery show and it
Speaker 2: was going to be so low that they did after
Speaker 2: shang Chi and it evolved, And I love that because
Speaker 2: I think that Trevor is essentially one of the MCU's
Speaker 2: best side men, Like he's such a good person to
Speaker 2: uplift another character to be the silly guy opposite them.
Speaker 2: And I think actually that that relationship here, what they've
Speaker 2: done that they often don't do, and that people have
Speaker 2: often criticized them for with cameos or easter eggs. They
Speaker 2: don't feel like they're going to lead anywhere or whatever. Here,
Speaker 2: you don't actually mind because what they build in is
Speaker 2: a relationship so important to both of these characters that
Speaker 2: you just really believe in it and you want them
Speaker 2: to be friends and I and you don't really. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's great that it's Trevor Slattery from Shang Chi, But
Speaker 2: we are seeing so many people in the discord online saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I watched this with my kid who's never watched a Marvel,
Speaker 2: or Hey, me and my mum watched this, and we
Speaker 2: just thought it was so fun. This is accessible at
Speaker 2: a level where it previously hasn't been. Also helps and
Speaker 2: we can do a little mini Rosie explains here, which
Speaker 2: I know Jason Olays loves to do, but also helps.
Speaker 2: The something they did that's so interesting in meta is
Speaker 2: for the most part, when Ben Kingsley in this show
Speaker 2: says Trevor Slattery has a previous role, it is a
Speaker 2: real Ben Kingsley role. So when they mentioned the plays
Speaker 2: he's been in, the guys who directed him in Leah,
Speaker 2: that shit is real. But Rosie explains, England, the big
Speaker 2: laugh here that you get if you're English is a
Speaker 2: reference to the fact that Ben Kingsley or in this
Speaker 2: case Trevor Slattery once played a character I believe called
Speaker 2: Roy Jenkins on Coronation Street. Coronation Street is our northern
Speaker 2: daily soap. It plays a primetime in the evenings set
Speaker 2: kind of near a fictionalized talent that we've been in
Speaker 2: Manchester and it is like ultimate working class soap opera majesty.
Speaker 2: I watch it every year I get a britboxer out
Speaker 2: at Christmas because there's always like a serial killer or
Speaker 2: a mass murder or this year there was a car
Speaker 2: crash crossover that also included a girl who'd been kidnapped
Speaker 2: and a guy who murdered someone. So you really get
Speaker 2: these crazy, big, bombastic bits. But I think that not
Speaker 2: only are they getting to pay homage to the MCU,
Speaker 2: to these comic book stories, to cinema. Of course, it's
Speaker 2: a movie about it's a show about how much we
Speaker 2: love movies, but also they're building in British history, British
Speaker 2: televisual history. They're doing what they did with Wonder Vision,
Speaker 2: but they're expanding it out to the weirdest stuff, to
Speaker 2: the character actors. Look Joey Pants, he's no, he's not
Speaker 2: a nobody, right, we love Joey Pants. He's an icon,
Speaker 2: but to some younger kids he might not necessarily be
Speaker 2: some big name get. Instead, they've gone for a character actor,
Speaker 2: someone who will commit to this really complicated role, but
Speaker 2: who also then a kid can look up and go,
Speaker 2: oh my god. They're in so many like he's in Bound,
Speaker 2: He's in the Matrix. We get that great moment where yeah, yes, well,
Speaker 2: Simon says to him, you know, I always every time
Speaker 2: I eat a steak, I think about you and the Matrix.
Speaker 2: So there's just so much kind of depth to these
Speaker 2: characters that I think that it almost transcends the usual
Speaker 2: questions of how does it set stuff up? And hilariously
Speaker 2: we've answered them it does set stuff up. They do
Speaker 2: a great job seating it. But so far, I'm just
Speaker 2: happy to follow these guys on their adventure, and I
Speaker 2: really hope that they don't broaden the scope too much
Speaker 2: because I think that the personal stakes here, they do
Speaker 2: such a good job at them that they feel high
Speaker 2: enough that I just really care. Like the Percoima family
Speaker 2: episode was like heart wrenching, the first episode where he
Speaker 2: gets fired from American Horror Story. I was struggling to
Speaker 2: rewatch it because it's so well done and it's so
Speaker 2: painful to watch. Also, another important note, guys, Twilight exists
Speaker 2: in the MCU confirmed Cannon same cast Simon Williams a
Speaker 2: Twilight fan, important for me personally, Jason. Any other kind
Speaker 2: of big takeaways as you look towards the second half
Speaker 2: of the season, which we'll be covering later this week. Well, one,
Speaker 2: I wonder.
Speaker 1: If so Doorman is in a damage control prison, right
Speaker 1: that's my guest, or kidnapping or I don't even know
Speaker 1: what the charge is.
Speaker 2: They said, I wonder if they've been like experimenting on
Speaker 2: him as well, because they said they've like they've searched
Speaker 2: every inch of him or something. I do also think
Speaker 2: there's some very interesting implications here about like the disposability
Speaker 2: of like a black actor and cinema after he's been
Speaker 2: brought up as this kind of mascot to a white actor.
Speaker 2: They doing some really interesting stuff. But yeah, he's either dead,
Speaker 2: been experimented on, or in a damage control prison.
Speaker 1: Would be interesting.
Speaker 2: Simon and Trevor are both doing a number of sus
Speaker 2: things that are illegal in this show, so I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised if we ended up in a damage control prison.
Speaker 1: I hope he's okay, and me too. My I feel
Speaker 1: like we're gonna Joshka is gonna like they're gonna get
Speaker 1: him back, right, He's probably still alive. We don't know
Speaker 1: how it works, but it's side of Doorman, and I
Speaker 1: think there's a chance that Josh we might josh ged
Speaker 1: might pop out of door.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you'll get puked up or something. I mean
Speaker 2: also would be in This is just my head canon,
Speaker 2: but maybe like Doorman and Josh Gadd planned all of
Speaker 2: this and now they're just like living happily ever after.
Speaker 2: Off the radar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm really excited to watch the back half
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 2: We got we got Joey Pants, we got Ashley Green
Speaker 2: from Twilight, we got obviously Josh gadd and that crazy cameo.
Speaker 2: Any other big actors you would like to see.
Speaker 1: I don't even know who the show.
Speaker 2: I know, it's so weird, definitely in that Disney space,
Speaker 2: I know, I don't think so it's hard to even
Speaker 2: think about it. I mean, I mean, I'd love to
Speaker 2: see them bring in like Regina King or something, because
Speaker 2: you know, because Watchman or something like that. But I
Speaker 2: don't know that's it. She's a she's a big get.
Speaker 2: I just think that this show has so many interesting
Speaker 2: things to say, and it's really funny to watch it
Speaker 2: coming out post the studio, knowing that this was more
Speaker 2: of an armaged and deep impact kind of zeitgeist thing
Speaker 2: than a Disney trying to replicate it. But I'm sure
Speaker 2: that people will see it as being derivative though so far,
Speaker 2: I've just seen people happy that there's another great TV
Speaker 2: show out, So that's a nice feeling to have. And
Speaker 2: I think people because it was dropped, as happened with
Speaker 2: Echo kind of all in one go. And then obviously
Speaker 2: we know with Ironheart that was also a show where
Speaker 2: the show ended up being dropped in kind of a
Speaker 2: weird phase. And yeah, so this is really nice to
Speaker 2: have a BINS drop that at first did seem like
Speaker 2: they were trying to bury it. But I think the
Speaker 2: word of mouth, the love from people like Alan Sepamore,
Speaker 2: who we've had on the show, from other critics has
Speaker 2: just been another great gateway to people getting excited to
Speaker 2: check it out, even if it wasn't necessarily on their radar.
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