WEBVTT - Wonder Man E01-04 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.040 Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for the first four episodes 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.880 of wonder Man on Disney Plus. We warn't Oo. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:21.880 Hello. 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:27.319 My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm rosday Night, and 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.240 welcome back to ext revision of the podcast where we 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.600 dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.680 Coming from my art podcast where Ringing Me three up a. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:38.680 Week plus news plus news. Today's episode, Wow, guys, I've 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:40.680 been waiting to talk about this show for so long. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.159 It's wonder Man. It's out. You guys are loving it. 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.320 You're loving it in the discord, the people are loving it, 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.920 the critics are loving it. It's marvels. Hello, good omen 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.919 for our twenty twenty six in the MCU. So we're 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:53.800 gonna be talking about episodes one through four. So if 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.040 you haven't watched them yet, you know, go and watch them, 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.080 then come back or listen to us and then go 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.200 watch them and listen again. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.080 Okay, we're covering the first four episodes of this binge 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:10.120 dropped series, wonder Man, which is wonderful and very very fun. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.960 Let's quickly recap this chunk. So Episode one is Mattinee. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.640 We meet Simon Williams, who is a struggling but very 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:24.240 dedicated actor who is, you know, like many in LA 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.160 searching for that big break, is not finding it, not 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.320 finding it, not finding it. He gets fired from a 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.199 show because he's, you know, trying to do too much, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.280 basically with he's doing too much one the small part 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.160 that he has, he's trying to do too much. He 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.960 meets he also breaks up with his girlfriend, and then 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:48.840 he meets Trevor Slattery. We all know him as once 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:56.480 the frontman for a terrorist organization, but now just kind 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.800 of a normal, washed up actor who's since been cleared 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:07.440 after the events of Iron Man two. Trevor tells Simon 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:12.560 that he really wants to remake the classic wonder Man 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:17.960 film directed by von Kovac, and Simon is, like, I 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.720 got an audition for this. They connect over the opportunity 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.519 and Simon lands an audition, which he hopes that Trevor 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.280 can help him with. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.040 Yeah, and that's about right. And what I really love 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:33.160 about that episode is we kind of establish that Simon 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.200 is a very lonely guy, but his hyperfixation, his love 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.680 is acting, and when he was a little kid, his 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.760 dad would take him to go and watch wonder Man, 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.600 which were these kind of Saturday morning serials in this world. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.960 And obviously we learn in that first episode two that 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.880 Simon has some kind of budgeoning superhero powers. We're just 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.560 not sure what. We just get a glow of his 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.080 eyes here, and it is also revealed that Trevor is 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.959 not necessarily to be trust and then we move into 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.800 episode two where after Simon's imprompt you interview that by 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.079 the way, he scammed his way into and I love 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.239 that moment. There's so many good La moments here. There's 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.200 a fantastic La show and he scams his way into 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.480 the audition. They love him, and the casting director for 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.080 wonder Man says, Okay, look self tape for this shitty 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.000 indie movie and then at least I'll have some proof 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.560 of how good you were. And Simon cannot get the 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.639 self tape right, it's literally two lines. He is obsessed. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.280 He's doing it in his apartment. He calls Trevor. Trevor's like, yeah, 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.200 I'll come to your house where he wants to spy 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.600 on him for the Department of Damage Control, but instead 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.320 Simon's like, you can't come in there. Maybe I punched 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:36.920 a giant hole in the wall, or maybe I didn't, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.880 who knows. So Trevor takes him too. In one of 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:44.640 the best cameos of the year, Joey panta Liano's house, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:51.560 Joey Pants and Joy Joey Pants to record this incredible 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.840 sale tape that's going to get Simon the job. But 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.400 when we get there, it becomes quite clear that there 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.600 is a very complicated relationship. And while Joey Pants and 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.840 Trevor world wants close, Trevor's kind of misled Simon about 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:08.880 their closeness. There was a falling out, but in one 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.680 of the moments that sort of gets you really emotionally 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.560 connected with what this show is doing so well, Joey 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.839 pushes it a little bit too far and Simon just 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.560 stands up for Trevor, and the two of them go 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.200 back to Simon's apartment and they make a fantastic video 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:30.200 and they really feel like he's gonna get this role. 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:34.000 And again, this show is just so wonderful, And we 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.360 get this moment where Trevor sees that the wall has 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.800 this huge hole in it and Simon's like, hey, you 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.120 like Pepperoni pizza, and Trevor just goes yeah, I love 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.640 Pepperoni pizza, and there's kind of this burgeoning friendship that's 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.560 so powerful by the end of episode two, which makes 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.960 a lot of sense because episode three years Are is 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.040 like a big emotional kind of core episode. 0:04:55.240 --> 0:05:01.160 Then we go to episode three Pacoma, in which Simon 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.680 takes Trevor to his hometown. Trevor in the previous episode 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:11.960 has successfully placed the damage hacking ring or a ring. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.000 Very funny by the way that damage control is like, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.599 we want you to spy on Simon. Take this ring, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.560 which was like his whole thing as a man when 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.600 he was pretending to be the Mandarin and the leader 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.880 of the fucking ten rings. Take this ring, place it 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.359 on Simon's computer, and it will do all the hacking 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.159 for you. He's managed to do that. Now in episode 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.960 three Pacoima, Simon takes Trevor to meet his family out 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.599 of Pacoima, and we learned through a flashback that Simon 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.400 at one point was like in a house fire and 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.480 was completely unharmed. So we're learning more about Simon's apparent powers, 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.400 you know. We see a lot of like the family 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.760 conflict at the home and see how all of this 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.280 has led Simon to be the person he is and 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.160 seek out acting as that kind of way to put 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:04.159 himself to characters we understand, like why he loves movies 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.400 and TV from the kind of interactions that he has 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.479 with his family and his brother and his mom, who 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.000 is very supportive of everything he does. It's also clear 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.760 that he's like not he's telling them he's more successful. Yeah, 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.159 he is, is getting more opportunities than he is. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.840 His brother obviously not a fan of Simon's lifestyle, right. 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:32.159 Trevor learns about this interesting these hints that Simon is unique, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:37.080 perhaps is a super powered individual. He successfully records these 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.280 as damage control wants him to do. But then deciding, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.240 you know, like the family is like, oh, you're such 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.400 a good friend, you know, And we were worried when 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.680 Simon moved down to to you know, moved across the 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.560 mountain to La, over the hill to La, that he 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.120 was going to be lonely and he wasn't gonna have friends, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.720 and you're seeming such a great friend to him, and 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.440 this is You're exactly what he needs. He needs someone 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.119 like you in his life who's supporting him and knows 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.240 the acting the ropes of the industry and what it 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.560 takes to climb up that mountain, and Trevor, feeling absolutely 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.200 terrible now you know, erases the recording and it's like, 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:16.040 I love that. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.440 Do that and then Chemist at. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:22.040 The end they get it's wonderful. There's a moment where 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.880 there's a big fight, like an argument that's going on 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:29.760 in the kitchen, where Simon releases that what I take 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:35.120 to be like an ionic ionics, those ionic powered powers. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.200 And at the end, Simon gets the callback for the 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.960 Wonderman film, alongside Trevor, who also gets a callback for 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:45.400 the for the Wonderman film. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.600 Also, I want to say, Simon, I love you so much. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.160 I love your pure hearted nature. But why does this 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.400 man not have representation and why was he reading for 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.520 the pall if nobody knows what he is? Like, let's 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.000 be a bit more suspicious. That's why we're gonna leave 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.040 all main characters who we love and in this burgeoning 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.360 new friendship, and we're going to head into a really 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:08.120 surreal bottle. Episode episode four, it's Doorman. It's the history 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.360 of DeMar Doorman Davis, who we learn is the reason 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.120 that superheroics and superheroes are actually banned from being on 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.000 sets in real movies, and that is because there was 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.040 a guy called DeMar the Doorman Davis, who could create 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.720 essentially like a portal through his stomach that allowed things 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.440 to pass through. One night, he's at a club, Josh 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.800 Gadd is there playing himself, singing a rap version of 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:35.120 Summer by Olaf, and he ends up having to save 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.040 the lives of the people in the club by allowing 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.880 them to go through his stomach portal. Josh Gadd takes 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.800 him on as kind of like a slightly problematic sidekick 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.800 and eventually ropes him into being in a movie called 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:52.679 cash Grab hilarious, and unfortunately, Josh Gadd goes through DeMar's 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.120 body and doesn't come out, and we learn that that 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.600 is why superheroes were banned in what they call the 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.800 Doorman clause. We earlier saw that Simon l about not 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:06.480 having superpowers to be on and his wonder Man audition, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.080 and then at the end we see Simon actually watching 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.679 it when he's on a TV show playing a nurse 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.720 and seeing them bring in this Dorman closes and he 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.400 just clause and he walks out, and that's where we 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.680 leave the first four episodes of wonder Man. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.160 Quite a bit of retcon. Oh world building here, Let's 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:44.360 take a quick break and then let's talk about this episode. Okay, 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.160 we're back. So first of all, we must discuss the 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:53.880 fact that apparently in the MCU there have been issues 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.880 regarding superpowered people who have been below the radar of 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.360 the eventers people that we it's you know, very funny 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.120 to me that this is built around Doorman, who in 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.440 the comics was the Lakes Avenger, and the Great Lakes 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.320 Avengers were basically like exactly what it sounds like, They're 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:17.120 like the fourth They're like the fourth String Avenger team. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:22.240 And and we learned that there have been superpowered people 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.360 in Hollywood for a bit and the and in fact 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.440 had risen to some amount of fame, like Doorman was 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:36.120 like it was like a guy for for for a 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.320 number of years. But because of this uh you know, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:44.079 terrible work workplace incident in which Josh Gad was swallowed 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:50.040 by mister Davis incredible to the period into into some 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:55.760 like shadow realm uh that all of the Hollywood players 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.800 and apparently the unions also got together and said, Okay, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:06.280 from now on, too high insurance, the insurance rates are horrendous. Therefore, 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:12.920 superpowered people cannot have like I guess, recurring roles in TV, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.160 and cannot be like above the line. I don't know, 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.920 like what is that? That's why I'm wondering, we need 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:21.320 what is the gotta know? 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.240 We gotta know that is actually I think ironically that's 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.560 one of the powerful things about this show is like 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.640 so much of the MCU includes a lot of plausible, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.880 you know, deniability, Like can you just imagine that something's 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.360 gonna happen? Can you suspend your this belief? What I 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.040 love about this show is like we are thinking it's 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.640 so grounded in the reality of acting that we really 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.199 are like okay, but like, can you have like somebody 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.880 who's really got like you know, what if they just 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.319 have a superpower that allows them to find really cool fabrics? 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.600 Like can they be your costume designer? Or is that 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.680 too dangerous? Like does it have to be a is 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.319 it like a superpower where you have to go inside 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.680 somebody else? That's a very specific choice. Josh gab May. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:07.040 I think what they should have done is ban the 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:12.840 use of superpowers on set and ban the use of 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:22.440 authentic superpowers in movie production, Like you can't use your power, 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.240 you can't use your power. Like let's say Pyro is 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:31.040 in a movie. He can't use his fire power on set, 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:32.559 like you'd have to make that would have to be 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.960 CGI or some kind of like other special effects. But 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.800 he can't like really do it. And I think that's 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.640 what they should have done. You can't. It's done to 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:46.720 like ban super peer superpowered people. Uh, you know, writ large, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.000 what they should have done is like ban all use 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.960 of superpowers. Now you're gonna have You're gonna have weird 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.280 incidents now where like somebody with a healing factor or whatever, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.440 you know, like less subtle, more subtle powers might fly 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.040 under the radar, but yeah, you just can't use them 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.480 on set or in any way benefiting the movie production. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.080 I think, Jason, that you're absolutely right that is a 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.440 sensible option. I would also say, I think that what 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.840 we're seeing here is the establishment once again of damage 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:20.520 control as essentially like a authoritarian government arm. We saw 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.040 that in Miss Marvel. Obviously they were hunting down kids 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.120 who had mutations. We know they've been using essentially what 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:31.040 seems like pre sentinel technology to find people who have superpowers. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.239 So I think this is establishing the fear and oppression 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.400 and hatred that we need to have an X Men 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.400 in their MCU. That makes sense, and I love that 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.880 we're getting to see it from these almost like street 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.160 eye views. I'm not even calling it like street level 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.360 because Spider Man's a street level hero when he saves 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:54.320 his little local neighborhood. I'm talking about the fact, like, yeah, 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.600 if you're gonna say kind of like what she Hawk did, 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.360 so well, if you're gonna say that, this is a 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.240 world where you can have a Captain America or you 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.240 can have a Bucky. Marvel has never been the DC 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.840 universe where there's a pantheon of gods. This is a 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.200 Marvel universe where anyone could have those powers. So I 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.880 think there's something so refreshing and fun and inventive about 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.720 showing us this from the smallest possible perspective of just 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.560 a regular guy trying to get along in his job. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.040 I think that is fascinating, and I think this essentially 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:27.280 sets up a great way for them to introduce multiple 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.000 different genres, vibes, tones also, guys. I know, obviously the 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.520 big thing here is the studio. The studio. The studio. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.080 This is like the studio by got crazy news for you. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.080 This show was wrapped like before the studio even came out. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.520 So this is just one of those things where people 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.080 had a similar story in mind. They were thinking about 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.680 working in LA, the struggles of being a creative and 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.840 all those things. And I think that that meta angle 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.880 serves the MCU really well here, and I just generally 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.960 think they should be making more things like this. I 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.440 also cannot imagine that the budget was as high as 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.040 the other SEE shows where they were spending fifty sixty 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.600 million an episode. So yeah, and also as well, like 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.760 what a fantastic idea to just be like, well, we're 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.520 making a show about an actor, so we just need 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.560 to hire a really good actor. Like the first episode, 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.520 all the highlights are just Yah Yah doing like different 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.280 freaking acting exercises and bits, and you just want to 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.480 keep watching him because he's so good. That's a fee 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.960 of storytelling. Yeah. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.160 I think the thing that I like about this show 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.560 is the fact that it's so charming and kind of 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.720 low stakes. I mean that like in a not mean way. Yeah, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.240 no complimentary in this and then the load bearing stuff, 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.400 the stuff that connects it to the MCU is is 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.440 a much lighter touch, And I think you're right, what 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.800 they've it's basically all damage control. What they've basically done 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:55.320 is as they've in previous MCU properties. They're positioning damage 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:59.720 control as like the we jail superheroes. We put superheroes 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:05.600 in jail well, and I think it's a great on 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.200 ramp for some of the stuff that we're going to 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.480 need for the X Men. Let's let's do a quick 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.920 refresher on damage control. We first see them post post 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.040 Infinity War in Spider Man Homecoming, we see them doing, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:24.640 you know, seizing alien tech, doing a lot of clean 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.280 up after the Battle of New York. Of course, that 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:28.440 alien tech would then. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.480 Fall to various. 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:37.120 Villainous forces who want to use it as for their 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.520 own benefit, but also to sell on the black market. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.000 This leads directly to the creation of the Vulture and 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.760 other things. And then we go to Miss Marvel, where 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.080 the Department of Damage Control UH is more of an 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.320 overt villain, tracking Kamalakon as a superhuman threat, et cetera. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.680 This is again going to be directly UH I think 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.600 relevant to the X Men, and of course absolutely Kamala 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:10.119 is a mutant, so they are already tracking mutants. In 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.600 She Hulk, we learn that they have detention facilities for 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.680 enhanced individuals. They have the legal authority to imprison superhumans. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.199 They arrest Shee Hulk, they take her blood. You know, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.760 they're part of the government basically, and part of the 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:29.040 government's wing of superhuman basically control. 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:34.240 Yeah. Absolutely, and Ian made a great I to Wonderman. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.800 and Ian made a great point like they basically have 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.080 to fill the super prisons because they've built them, and 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.040 that is like such a good commentary I feel, I 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.199 have to say. So, I'm in a I was in 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.080 the discord this morning, lots of people were watching it 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.200 and there was a question in there from Muff nineteen 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.200 seventy six that is in this space And I have 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.120 actually changed my mind on this with wonder Man, because 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.520 as everyone knows, I was a big damage control fan. 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.359 I Leftdway mcduffee, so I didn't love this kind of 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.480 military government version of them, but I think it works, 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.080 especially in the state of the world that way. And now, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.879 so this is what Muff said, And I'll ask you, Jason, 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.560 what do you think of the role of damage control 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.480 in the MCU, Like do you enjoy that take and 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.040 do you feel like Agent Cleary is kind of a 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:20.160 new anti Nick Fury, Well, how do you read how 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.920 they've kind of reimagined them and why that's gonna lie? Yeah, 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:23.639 I do like it. 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:29.639 I mean, there's not quite enough for us to really 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:35.640 understand the true nefariousness of it. We've seen the inside 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.480 of the prison a little bit. We've obviously seen Cleary 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:47.760 running around tracking people, but it's not a lot of 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:53.159 I mean, honestly, like the it's very like Cloak and Dagger, 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.439 like it's about tracking people and seeing do they have 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.080 powers or they're hiding them. That's very nefarious, but there's 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:03.080 not been a lot of like open confrontation, say what's 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.679 the aim and why are they doing it? If the 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.159 reason is to make sure that superpowered people don't like 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.840 destroy property, break the law, et cetera, you know, and 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.760 to and basically as a law enforcement arm, like you know, 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.679 where do you put a criminal with superpowers? You're going 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.280 to have to put them in a much more stranger jail. Okay, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.600 I'm eager to see how this, if indeed it does 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:34.199 evolve into like a Sentinel type program. I'm here to 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.600 see how that happens and why, because right now, philosophically, 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.960 it just seems to be you know, it's all about prisons, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.720 it's all about it's all about where do we store 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:50.520 superhuman people who are who have committed crimes? So how 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.600 does that then change to we're going out and hunting 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.520 and persecuting people who have powers that have committed no crime. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.240 That is switch that I'm waiting to see me too. 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.480 So Ian made a great point that Cleary is not 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.119 necessarily like at the top of the totem pole, like 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.680 he's not filling the raft or whatever, like this is 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.600 a small prison he needs to fill. He's going off 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:16.359 the low level. Subero's Like Simon, I am really interested 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:20.320 to see who our Machiavelli and kind of mind behind 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.200 damage Control is because it could definitely be a kind 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:29.000 of you know, industry plant type situation where somebody in 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.520 the government who hates mutants, who hates superpower people, is 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.480 trying to stoke fear and division. Would be interesting to 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.600 maybe see if they're even a mutant themselves and they 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.320 want to get humans to you know, attack mutants and 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.480 then have mutants up rise up. You know, that sounds 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.200 like something Magneto would do. But yeah, I'm very interested 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.399 to see if who the real person behind damage control 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.240 is I also would love a real damage control just 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.160 a bunch of cool people who go around and clean 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.679 up after the thing. So maybe we'd get in the future, 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.080 maybe that's a reform damage control, But I think for 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.320 now we're gonna find out that somebody be scary and big, 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.159 has a big agenda for them, and we're just seeing 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.720 the foot soldiers right now. That's my feeling. 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.639 I want to see. You know, we haven't really picked 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.080 up the thread of sword that was there. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:30.640 After the real. 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:35.680 WandaVision stuff, and Sword, if you recall, was the government 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:43.800 agency that was tasked with controlling and studying sentient technology, 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.800 so like vision and I could and so I guess 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.320 I'm wondering if there's a world in which damage control 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:56.560 and Sword kind of like get merged together in a 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:02.440 in a like MCU Department of Homeland Security against super. 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.080 Visually see that oh. 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:12.920 And that like vision technology, sentient technology then gets turned 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:18.720 into like sentinel technology that's then used combined with jamage 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:24.160 controls kind of like uh intel that they've gleaned from 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:28.160 tracking Howard people, Yeah, surveillance, and they turned that into 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.160 a kind of sentinel Dude, I think that I wonder 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:31.680 if you called it like because. 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.240 Honestly, we saw in Wondervision when Monica was looking around, 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.640 we saw those giant robots like we all had those 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.760 conversations are sword building sentinels while these become sentinels. I 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:43.760 love that, Jason. I want to ask you a big 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.000 question that this show leaves me with less to do 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:48.760 with what it sets up or doesn't set up, because 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.480 I think it's a fantastic show, and we can talk 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.760 a little bit more about that in this conversation. But Jason, 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.320 as somebody who follows this stuff, we talk about it 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:58.359 for our job. We write stories with both written comics. 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.680 You've written comics at Marvel. What does a Marvel spotlight 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.240 mean in the MCU. I think we still trying to 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:05.000 work out. 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:10.200 So yes, So wonder Man is a Marvel spotlight, as 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.200 was Echo, as was was wherewolf by Night technically a 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:17.639 Marvel spotlight, wherewolf by Night was a special presentation, was 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.800 not technically a Marvel spotlight. So it's Echo and now 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.760 wonder Man, Now Marvel spotlight seems to me to be 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:31.199 here is the my realistic read. My realistic read is 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.800 Marvel's spotlight is a term lifted from the Comics, an 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:41.080 anthology comic series within Marvel that again highlighted a particular 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:45.000 hero or group of heroes for one story that would 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:49.679 not then continue. I think that the Spotlight brand is 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:56.000 basically a reverse engineered way for Marvel to like clear 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.840 the decks of the stuff that they had in production 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:04.320 that started rolling down the track before Marvel decided, oh, 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.159