1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: I am like Spofford sitting next to the one and 3 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: only West Hodkowitz, were coming to you here from our 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. Yesterday we heard from 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: head coach Matt Lafleur with regard to following up on 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: the win over Detroit, and we talked on yesterday's show 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: about how Packers had two substitutes on the offensive line. 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: Corey Lindsley went out with an injury. Brin Bolago was 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: being evaluated for a concussion, so Lucas Patrick Jared Valdier 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: stepped in. But we didn't know so sort of a 11 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: revelatory statement was that Billy Turner, the right guard, had 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: turned an ankle in that game, but he was gutting 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: it out and playing on that bad ankle. Because the 14 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Packers went into the game with only seven offensive linemen 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: on the game day forty six, if Turner had needed 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: to come out of the game, they would have had 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: to put somebody completely out of position into the offensive line. 18 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: So fairly unprompted, which doesn't always happen in press conferences, 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: La Fleur gave a pretty nice shout out to Billy 20 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: Turner for for gutting it out there on Sunday at 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: Ford Field and keeping the Packers offensive line as intact 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: as possible. So hours before Matt Lafleur ever addressed the media, 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I had tweeted out Billy Turner had started all sixteen 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: games led the Green Bay Packers offense and total snaps 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: for this past season only coming out, I believe for 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: two snaps all year one thousand, seventy six. Has just 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: been a total iron man for them. And it goes 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: back to something that Brian Goodkin said when he signed 29 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: him and the other three veteran free agency this offseason, 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: the durability history, the ability to gut through things, and 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: the ability to have that availability at all times. And 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: I thought this game really underscored that for Billy Turner. 33 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: And and he's been such a bright spot for this 34 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: offensive line because he hasn't been a big topic for 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: the most part. He goes in there, he does his job, 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: and he's solidified a position that had kind of been 37 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: going through a lot of upheaval for a number of 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: years since t J. Lang had left for Detroit. So yeah, 39 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: to be in a position where Corey Lindsley's out with 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: the back injury. That means you're only interior offensive lineman 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: as far as reserve Lucas Patrick has to plug in 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: at center. Then Jared Valdere, who has been predominantly tackle 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: his entire career, he has to go in and suben 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: for Brian Bulagas. Yeah, you wonder if Turner of wouldn't 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: been able to go through it, if the Packers would 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: have sustained another injury. Does that mean, you know, Tyler 47 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Lancaster would have to dust off his old offensive line 48 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: gear from high school. I mean, there are so many 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: different scenarios the Packers would have had to explore, but thankfully, 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: with Turner kind of pushing through that injury, they didn't 51 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: have to do that. And then, by the way, for 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: everything that had happened in game, the Packers offensive line 53 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: blocked its tail off. It had an exceptional performance given 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: what the circumstances were with the injuries both on the 55 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: field and and the guys that had to leave back 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: to the locker room. Yeah, I mean that really turned 57 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: out to be, uh to be quite the story of 58 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: the game. And Lucas Patrick I went through the entire 59 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: offensive film, and for those who want to check out 60 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: my what you might have missed Peace with some clips. 61 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: I I focus on about a half dozen plays of 62 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: Patrick's at center, both run blocking and past protection against 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: various defenders who were lined up across from him. I 64 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: thought he played an outstanding football game because he came 65 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: in with about I believe it was ten minutes left 66 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: or so in the second quarter, so he played the 67 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: bulk of the ball game. And then Valdeer making his 68 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: Packers debut, now he came in very late in the 69 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: third quarter, so he played just a little bit over 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: a quarter of football. But as we talked about on 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: yesterday's show, this is a guy who hadn't actually stepped 72 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: on an NFL field for essentially a year, and h 73 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, hats off to him. He's only been in 74 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: Green Bay, you know, a few weeks, and but has 75 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: the mental acuity that he picked up enough of the 76 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: offense that it's not like it's not like Matt Lafleur 77 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: had to take half of the call sheet and throw 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: it in the trash. Because there's a brand new right 79 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: tackle in there who's only been around for about a 80 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: month or so, and that's a credit to a veteran 81 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: guy who's been around a decade and has I believe 82 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: it's a hundred and thirty plus starts in his career. 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: You can't you know, you can't, as La Fleur said, 84 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: you can't put a price tag on that kind of 85 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 1: experience in those situations. So a few things that jumped 86 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: out to me about that performance. One, Uh, it is 87 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: pretty crazy that his first career star came at center. 88 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: I've never really really miss that. Raiders played him at 89 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: center his first game and then after that said you 90 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: know what your six eight I would say six ft 91 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: eight and they played outside. My goodness. But you know, 92 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: he came from Hillsdale, so there were some questions about 93 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: exactly where you would fit in the NFL Division two 94 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: college player, and evidently they looked at him at six 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: eight and said, yeah, let's start there. But anyway, over 96 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: the last decade he's had a really you know, great career, 97 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: first as a left tackle and then moving out to 98 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: right tackle with Arizona a number of years ago, and 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: here he is one month to the day, I believe 100 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: it had been since he had been claimed off waivers 101 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: after he told the New England Patriots that he'd like 102 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: to return in what a big security blanket that was. 103 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: And just listen to him talk in the locker room, 104 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: both after the game when I had a few chances 105 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: to speak with him, but then also when he addressed 106 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: reporters during Monday's locker room. You can tell how much 107 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: this means to him, not just to be playing football again, 108 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: but to be playing a meaningful situation and being a 109 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: chance right now to to actually, you know, potentially make 110 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: a big run here in the postseason and maybe even 111 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Uh. He takes a lot of pride 112 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: in that, and and he's a very even keeled, you know, 113 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: if steady as it goes performer. He lined up next 114 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: to Billy Turner, his former teammate from Denver, and he 115 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: just did his job. Now, the Packers are going to 116 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: have two weeks here to see if Brian Balaga can 117 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: get through the concussion protocol and be available for that 118 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: January twelve games. So you never know, this might be it. 119 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: This might be the one appearance that veil Deer has. 120 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: But the one thing I think Green Bay can take 121 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 1: a lot of solace in right now and can feel 122 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: confident about is that when he was thrown into that 123 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: situation with the game on the line, the Packers need 124 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: to get a win. These weren't garbage minutes. These were 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: important plays for them to be able to to get 126 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: that by and and he showed that even with after 127 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: the one year layoff, he could step up for it. Yeah. Well, 128 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: as you said, the Packers will have the buy to 129 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: try to get these guys healthy Bolago with the concussion protocol, 130 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Corey Lindsley with his back injury, it will be interesting 131 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: to see. Obviously there's a lot of time between now 132 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: in January twelve, but the Packers do have two other 133 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: offensive lineman on the fifty three man roster, Alex light 134 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: who has played some both guard and tackle, and then 135 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: um Jason leg Lou If I'm saying John Leglu Sorry 136 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: I got the first name incorrect there. And he's been 137 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: here even less time than Velder. Very recent acquisition. But 138 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: depending on the injury situation and given what happened in Detroit, 139 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: you wonder if maybe the Packers go with eight active 140 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: offensive lineman on the forty six for the playoff game. 141 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: The reason if you're healthy most of the time, the 142 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: reason you usually go with seven because because you you know, 143 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: you've got at least two backups there, but offensive linemen 144 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: don't really play special teams except for like field goal 145 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: protection that kind of thing. So if you want to 146 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: have other you know, the linebackers and the faster guys 147 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: and what not available for special teams, that's where some 148 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: of those last spots on the forty go. So there 149 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: could be some interesting decisions to make, uh you know 150 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: two weeks from now. Yeah, and Alex Light has kind 151 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: of become that sort of Don Barclay type where he 152 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: can play guard or tackle depending on what the Packers needs. 153 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: So he could be a little bit of a Swiss 154 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: Army knife there if they feel like they need a 155 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: little bit more security. Depending again, we're gonna have a 156 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: full week here before we get another injury report to 157 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: see where Turner and and Lindsley and and all these 158 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: guys are gonna be at. I know Corey's putting together 159 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: a plan trying to make sure that he can be 160 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: ready here for the stretch run as well. Packers were 161 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: smart about it. I thought when you look at the 162 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: entire way that they approached that game. You know, Jamal 163 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: Williams address reporters in the locker room as well on Monday, 164 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: and he basically said, I mean, if this would have 165 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: been a you know, playoff game, he could have played 166 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: in it. He feels like if they would have need 167 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: to play this weekend, he would have been available. But 168 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: you need to be smart and you want to try 169 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: to get your team as healthy as possible. And for 170 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: the first time in a long time here Packers are 171 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: in a position to do that. They aren't trying to 172 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: run a table. They're not trying to you know, claw 173 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: their way to a division title. They had that hay 174 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: in the barn and they were trying to get a 175 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: buy and they've earned that by now at this this 176 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: winning streak they've been on, and it affords them this 177 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: opportunity now to sit back, relax, take those keep those 178 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: hits off their bodies, and you know, see what falls 179 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: to them now in this divisional round. Yeah. Well, shifting 180 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: gears to the defensive side of the ball, There is 181 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: definitely something we need to talk about in the big 182 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: picture sense, and that is that with the defense only 183 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: allowing twenty points to the Detroit Lions, the unit actually 184 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: finished the season on a five game run of allowing 185 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: only twenty allowing twenty points or less to the opponent. 186 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: And that's the longest streak that a Packers defense has 187 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: had in the regular season since it had a six 188 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: game streak back in two thousand and ten. And we 189 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: all know what happened in two thousand and ten, but 190 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: the other connection to that year is that this Packers 191 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: defense finished the entire season allowing nineteen point six points 192 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: per game, and that's the first time a Packers defense 193 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: for an entire regular season has has had a points 194 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: allowed average under twenty since two thousand and ten. So 195 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: hats off to Mike Petton and the Packers defense. We 196 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: obviously saw the unit get off to a tremendous start 197 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: in Week one against the Chicago Bears, just allowing the 198 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: three points, but I think what really defines this unit 199 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: season is the way it bounced back from allowing the 200 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: thirty seven in San Francisco in UH in the blowout loss, 201 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: to then come back and go five straight games to 202 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: end the season. And actually the Lions were the first 203 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: team out of those five to score more than fifteen 204 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: because they were on a run of four straight games 205 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: of allowing fifteen points or less. A really good finish 206 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: to the season, I thought by the Packers defense, despite 207 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: obviously a rough first half in Detroit, which they turned 208 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: around with a pretty dominant second half. This conversation about 209 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: the Packers and they're, you know, winning ugly and things 210 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: like that. One of the reasons they've been able to 211 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: do this is because of how the defense has performed 212 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: down the stretch. And I think that's the reason why 213 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: I keep saying over and over again, that's what ugly 214 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: wins are, two fans, and to those who want to 215 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: characterize it is that is is when your defense is 216 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: tough and your offense doesn't look like anything spectacular, it 217 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: just falls into that category of an ugly victory. And 218 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: and the Packers are just fine with that right now, 219 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: as much as they'd obviously like to see the offense 220 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: find another level in January. And that's going to keep 221 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: you in games here down the stretch too. I mean, 222 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: they're going to have chances here. And and I go 223 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: back to something that was actually asked of me an 224 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: insider in box, and you had to edit this. I'm 225 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: curious to see what your thoughts were on it yourself. 226 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: Somebody had said if this, if if I saw parallels 227 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: between the two thousand ten team and the two thousand 228 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: ninet team in terms of the structural makeup of it, 229 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: entirely different scenarios. The two thousand ten team was banged up. 230 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: They were very talented, but they were banged up. This 231 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: team is much healthier. That defense statistically was more dominant 232 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: than what this year's team has been. But it is 233 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: interesting and that I feel like there's a very similar 234 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: swagger and energy in the locker room, and I also 235 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: feel their capabilities of winning those close knit games. There's 236 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: a lot of ties between these two squads. And you know, 237 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, the Packers finished eighteenth and 238 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: total defense this season. They could have very easily been 239 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: a top ten unit had they been able to reduce 240 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: more of those explosive plays. Because the red zone defense 241 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: was exceptional. They did a really good job in certain 242 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,239 Speaker 1: scenarios and being able to keep teams off the scoreboard. 243 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: It was just not being gutted for that big fifty 244 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: or sixty yard game that ultimately, nine times out of 245 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: ten is going to result in some type of points, 246 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: and obviously it's going to reflect poorly when you look 247 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: at a stat sheet at the end of the game. 248 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: But this team can win football games. And I just 249 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: think the way that they're using Zadarius Smith right now 250 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: has been a revelation for them. It's allowed Kenny Clark 251 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: to be able to really excel this last month of 252 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: the season. I know Preston Smith is getting a lot 253 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: more attention right now, but he's up for it. And 254 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, who nobody keeps track of 255 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: playoff stats, Mike. You know this. We can talk about 256 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: Tremont Williams and in the interceptions he'd had back in 257 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: two thousand ten, and those things that stand out to you, 258 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: but nobody cares about tackles. Nobody cares about individual accolades. 259 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: At this point, It's about whether or not your team 260 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: can win and advance to the next round. And I 261 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: think when you look at this defense specifically in the 262 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: parallels that you could run to two thousand and ten, 263 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: there's a very similar mindset and there just get the 264 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: job done. Yeah, I think so. I I like what 265 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: you said just kind of about the swagger in the attitude. 266 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: There is there is a belief on this defense that 267 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: they're going to find a way to get the job 268 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: done when they when they have to, and I think 269 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: the two thousand ten unit was like that. The two 270 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: thousand ten unit went through with with the injuries that happened, 271 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: with Nick Barnett going I are and other guys, you know, 272 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: you had Dozen Bishop stepping in. You're signing Howard Green 273 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: and Eric Walden off the street to come in to 274 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: help that two thousand and ten units. So the process 275 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: of getting to the end of the season was completely 276 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: different because this Packers defense really other than what Darnell 277 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: Savage missing a couple of games, I mean, they've had 278 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: their primary guys, you know, pretty much all the way along, 279 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: which I think is also a big factor in in 280 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: how they were able to turn it around after that 281 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: rough game in San Francisco. But the other thing too, 282 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: is that ability, that ability to make you know, and 283 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: I talked about it yesterday with the offense, but it's 284 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: making a key play at the key time. I mean 285 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: Nick Collins getting the interception in week seventeen to close 286 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: out that ten to three victory over the Bears just 287 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: to get into the playoffs. B J Rogie with the 288 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: pick six and the NFC Championship, Termon Williams at the 289 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: end of the first half to you know, start to 290 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: get some separation from the Falcons in the divisional round. 291 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: Those are the things that stand out to me about 292 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: the two thousand ten team after they got through all 293 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: the injuries, that defense just made key plays at key 294 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: times down the stretch to to fuel that playoff run. 295 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: This two thousand nineteen defense is perfectly capable of that, 296 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: and they made several of those types of plays during 297 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: the regular season. If they can do that in a playoff, 298 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: in a playoff game or two, who knows how far 299 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: this goes. And they got Tremont Williams. Williams number number 300 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: is still here, so I mean, you got that, boy. 301 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: That'd be cool if Packers actually could get on a 302 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: run this year win a Super Bowl, to actually have 303 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: a run like that where you had a guy on 304 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: both of those teams that played in those type of 305 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: situations that it's one thing to have the quarterback or 306 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: to have a tackle or something, but it's not easy 307 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: for its cornerback to stick a round that long, at 308 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: least as far as the NFL is concerned. But yeah, 309 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: I think that's why everybody understands why this is such 310 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: a special opportunity now too. You know, I've said this 311 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: a number of times now, but I think it bears repeating. 312 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: You know, this season started for the today as we do. 313 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: This is December thirty one, Happy New Year, Mike. This 314 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: whole thing started in mid April for the Green Bay Packers. 315 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: Like they built their roster obviously back in March, and 316 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: they were able to come back, and they're able to actually, 317 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, put a team together, build the system, get 318 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: the offense to buy in, get these new pieces involved 319 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: in Mike Patton's defense, get them to believe. And here 320 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: they are, thirteen wins first round by and now it's 321 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: all up to the next sixty minute game in front 322 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: of them. So I just think that there is an 323 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: awareness with this team, and also they definitely understand that 324 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: they're mortal. This is not infallible. They've been in a 325 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: lot of knockdown, drag out games in which of certain 326 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: swing here, gust of wind there, and next thing you know, 327 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: you're you're on the losing end of it. They understand 328 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: what it takes to win and also knowing where their 329 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: weaknesses have been and where they need to improve. And 330 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: I still think when we talk over and over again, Michael, 331 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: but the Packers having that best game out there for them. 332 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: That's still very much at play here when they go 333 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: into this postseason. Yeah, I think so. But you know, 334 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: you know how this goes in the playoffs to us? 335 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, thinking back to the last time 336 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: the Packers had the first round by in two thousand 337 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: and fourteen, Obviously everybody remembers that Dallas came to lambeau Field. 338 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: That does Bryant catch, no catch, you know whatever, But 339 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: when you even you go back a week, how close 340 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: it was that Detroit almost beat Dallas. And then it 341 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been Dallas coming here, it would have been 342 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: somebody else. And and the way the way those playoffs 343 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: unfolded because of some really close calls in the wild 344 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: card round. And so who knows what's going to happen here? 345 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: With Minnesota playing New Orleans and Philadelphia playing Seattle, the 346 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: Packers have, you know, one of three possible opponents, and 347 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: you just don't know how this. Obviously, everybody's i think, 348 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: expecting the Saints to win at home against the Vikings 349 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: at the super Dome and the three seed the Saints 350 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: will come play the two seed in Green Bay. But 351 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: here's an interesting thing, because I just looked this up 352 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: before week before. We came in here three previous times 353 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: before this year, since the NFL instituted the playoff format 354 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: in with the six seeds and the top two getting 355 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: the by three previous times, the Packers have been the 356 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: two seed with the bye one of those times. Only 357 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: one of those previous three times they did not play 358 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: the three seed in the next round. It was after 359 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl title when they ended up playing Tampa Bay, 360 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: who was the four seed. Why because Minnesota was the 361 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: sixth seed and knocked off the three. Just throwing that 362 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: out there just in case. But anyway, but that's the 363 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: madness of the post exactly. That's the thing. You just 364 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: don't know how. You just don't know how this stuff 365 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: is going to go. The Saints had to put it 366 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: all on the line. They were playing for a possible by. 367 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: They had to put it all on the line. They 368 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: blew out the Carolina Panthers. They didn't get there by. 369 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: They have their home game as the three seed. The 370 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings rested everybody. The Vikings are coming off a 371 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: bye week, going into the super Dome and trying to 372 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: knock off a favorite team. You just never know. Yeah, 373 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: and the Packers perspective. You just need to look at 374 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten for how crazy these things can 375 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: play out. I mean that they ended up having to 376 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: go to Chicago, out of all places to to go 377 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl, after winning in Atlanta and 378 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: winning in and after the after the Bears had tried 379 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: had didn't have anything to play for and played all 380 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: their starters in Week seventeen to try to prevent the 381 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: Packers from getting into the playoffs in the first place, 382 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: and then that ends up being the NFC Championship game 383 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: at Soldier Field is Green Bay in Chicago, when it's 384 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: all said and down and here you are now. And 385 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: it was a couple of guys that talked to in 386 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: the locker room after the game. I mean, like Lucas Patrick. 387 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: Lucas Patrick was on the practice squad when the Packers 388 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: did the run the table thing in two thousand and sixteen. 389 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: And then you know, you have Aaron Jones and Jamal 390 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: Williams to draft classes that don't know what it's like 391 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: to play in the postseason. I didn't get a chance 392 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: to ask him, but I was looking at I don't 393 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: know if Billy Turner has played in a playoff game 394 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: yet I don't believe he has because he got to 395 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: Denver after their Super Bowl and I think he left Baltimole. 396 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: He's only in Baltimore for a short time, and I 397 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: don't think he made it with Miami. So there's veterans, 398 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: there's young guys, and then you look at a guy 399 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: like Mercedes Lewis that has been to the a f 400 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: C Championship Game. He was on the doorstep of finally 401 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: getting to that Super Bowl. And I'm not trying to 402 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: turn this into the Julius Peppers. You know, let's go 403 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: get him a ring thing. But it doesn't matter if 404 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: you're in the league for fourteen years or if you've 405 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,239 Speaker 1: been in the league for one year. There was a 406 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: time in Green Bay where every single guy went through 407 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: and they all knew what it was like to go 408 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. And that's not like that anymore. You 409 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: have experience where it counts, but you also have guys 410 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: that are really hungry to show that they not only 411 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: can just be a playoff team, they can be a 412 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: Division of champion, they can be a Super Bowl contender. Because, 413 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: as the shirt said, the North is not enough. And 414 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: now the Packers have a chance to prove that they 415 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: are very capable of taking this entire cake. Yeah, I 416 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: mean you mentioned Louis. There's also Jimmy Graham, who just 417 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: missed the Saints super Bowl in two thousand nine because 418 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: was a rookie. In two thousand and ten, then he 419 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: just missed Seattle's back to back super bowls when he 420 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: went to the Seahawks. He's been in playoff games, been 421 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, played on a lot of playoff teams, but 422 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: he's never been to a super Bowl. There is the 423 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: hunger there that goes along with that. One other thing 424 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: I want to get to just to clarify a little 425 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: bit from yesterday's show, and then we'll sign off, because 426 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: we were talking about that crazy ending to the Seattle 427 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: San Francisco game. Just to be clear, neither one of 428 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: us was advocating or demanding that it should have been 429 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: a past interference penalty. I honestly didn't even get enough 430 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: of a look at it. I think I think you 431 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: would agree with me that the point we were trying 432 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: to make is that you, at least in that situation, 433 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: with that much at stake, you have to stop the 434 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: game and take a look at the play. Okay, So 435 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: that was the point we were trying to make it. Hopefully, 436 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: I hope nobody misconstrued it, because I honestly didn't even see. 437 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: I was working on my computer getting ready for whatever 438 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: we were going to post on the website, and I 439 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: really didn't even get enough of a look had it 440 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: to see if I would have called it past interference 441 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: or not. But that aside, the question I want to 442 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: throw at you is do you think do you think 443 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: we're headed for another officiating controversy fiasco in the postseason 444 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: like we had last year? Is that? Where is that 445 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: where this twenty nine season is headed? Are we going 446 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: to be talking about one of these things again like 447 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: we were last January? A couple of things here. I 448 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: want to answer that question. I want to give you 449 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: a real good answer to that. I want to just 450 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: add in with my own amendment to to what you 451 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: just said. I don't even care if they would have 452 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: just stopped the game and they ate a bag of 453 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: Cheetos and then two minutes later started redoing the game. 454 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: We have the play stands. The optics of it were 455 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: so bad, Like just just look at the play right, 456 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: the games on the line, look at the play This 457 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: wasn't a fifteen point blowout trying to everyone get to 458 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: the bus. This is for major stakes, and we'll see 459 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: what happens at the Seattle Seahawks. It could be fatal stakes. 460 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: And it was an incomplete pass, so it's not as 461 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: though the clock was running or the clock has stopped, 462 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: so you have an opportunity to stop the game and 463 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: take a look at I get what New York saying. 464 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: New York saying that, well we had the forty seconds, 465 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: that was enough time. But come on, man, all right, yeah, 466 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: I think we are. And the reason I say that 467 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: is because in this same seat, listen, literally this same seat, 468 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: this same desk, the same you know, Microsoft surface microphone, 469 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: Mike Spofford, we sat here last year and I said, 470 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: there were too many blown calls. There was too much 471 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: controversy in the regular season to expect they're just not 472 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: to be any in the postseason. And then lo and 473 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: behold the NFC Championship game. You had arguably the biggest 474 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: blown call of this century. Right now, when you look 475 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: in terms of postseason play, in terms of how that 476 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: that that shuffle out, I'm actually kind of curious now 477 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: if that scenario plays out, if they would even overturn 478 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: it with the the interference role, they might not even 479 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: overturn who knows, because they've been finding a way to 480 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: come through that paper bag all season. They might well, 481 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: and they haven't. And they haven't given as much as 482 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: they've now given the power to say, as I like 483 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: to say, drop a penalty flag from New York for 484 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: past interference if they want to. They haven't given them 485 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: the power to say, like, oh, that's a helmet to 486 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: helmet hit. That should be a fifteen yard right, I mean, um, 487 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: But that was also what the issue was in New 488 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: Orleans in the NFC Championship last year, whether it was 489 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: past interference or not the receiver took a helmet shot. 490 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: But nobody's nobody's got the power to nobody's got the power. 491 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, who cares? Right? No? I mean, 492 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: but I I said it an inbox. I think it's 493 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: I think we are headed for another officiating controversy fiasco 494 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: in the postseason. Whether it's going to be whether it's 495 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: going to be roughing the passer, which was somewhat controversial 496 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: in the a f C Championship last year with the 497 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: Tom Brady play, whether it's going to be another one 498 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: of these catch no catch things, whether it's going to 499 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: be past interference, I just I think we're headed to it, 500 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, and it's just a question of which team 501 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: is going to feel like they got wrong. Because here's 502 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: the other thing, Mikhael, when you get playoffs where all 503 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: these teams, these are your best twelve teams, the NFL 504 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: has theoretically there's going to be tightly contested matchups every 505 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: single week all the way up until the Super Bowl. 506 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: Maybe if you know, Seattle, Denver, thing blow out happens. 507 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: But because it's close, that means there's going to be 508 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: close calls, which means there's going to be close decisions, 509 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: which means there's gonna be unhappy people on both sides 510 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: of the party. You just hope that it's unhappy people 511 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: because it was a bang, bang play and they made 512 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: the call that they felt was right. And that's something 513 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: like last year where you know that probably changed the 514 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: future and maybe even the legitimacy of who should have 515 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: been playing in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Absolutely, because it 516 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: was something that everybody looked at and said, boy, they 517 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, they nobody was saying that was a bang 518 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: bang play. It was like, hey, that one, that one 519 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: was botched and and the wrong team probably won the 520 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: NFC titles. By the way, very quickly, just to throw 521 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: this out here, well be before we just sign off, 522 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: I'll let you do the honors. But this was a 523 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: very important episode for you and I have Packers Unscripted, 524 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: well you especially, you haven't missed one. Yeah, that's true, 525 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: I haven't missed one this and it's it's actually fitting 526 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: because you mentioned Happy New Year before. It's New Year's 527 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: Eve as we're taping this and we're returning the page 528 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: to this was our five podcast of Packers Unscripted right 529 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: here on the last day of nineteen, podcast number five hundreds. 530 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: Maybe we have some confetti or something that was going 531 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: to rain down mus Marvin didn't didn't rig anything up. 532 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: How fun is that, though partner, we haven't been canceled yet. 533 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: What a tremendous honor. No, it's been a lot of fun. 534 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: When I actually came on board with the Green Day 535 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: Packers in April of two thousand sixteen, and we knew 536 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: that this scenario is gonna happen where Vic was gonna 537 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: be sliding out and I would probably sliding in with 538 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: you on the beat, they talked about wanting to do 539 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: a show, a daily program. We started on Spectrum, we've 540 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: shifted to Packers dot Com here over the last two years. 541 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: What a wonderful ride it's been. I pitched for years. 542 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to do podcasts, I wanted to do video 543 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: stuff at my previous employer, and then here we are. 544 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: I get to live the dream with Mike Spofford every 545 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: single day, and we've hit number five hundred, My friend, 546 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: all right, here's two thou With that, we will sign 547 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: off on podcast number five hundred of Packers Unscripted. Be 548 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team 549 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: on Packers dot com, subscribed to us, like us on 550 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: iTunes and other podcast services starting with number five oh one, 551 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: and be sure to check out all the great video 552 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: content on the Packers YouTube channel for WES. I am Mike. 553 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, everybody. We will see you next time.