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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this brand new episode of Phishology.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who may be new here in Physiology,

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Speaker 1: we go in demth On Advanced Dads to your Miami

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Speaker 1: Marmon before I introduced everyone. This is our very first

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Speaker 1: episode of Phisiology in the season. During the season, this

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Speaker 1: is what we wanted when we started up Physiology. As always,

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Speaker 1: I am joined by mister Eli Sussman and our favorite

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Speaker 1: Jacked employee, Lewis Adeo Weiss.

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Speaker 2: Guys, how you feeling.

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Speaker 3: Feeling all right? Been an interesting first couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: A lot of things that we can touch on, and

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Speaker 3: we'll touch on tonight. Eli.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I love it in the team of

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Speaker 4: extremes that this is as we've kind of been looking

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Speaker 4: at entering the year. At both the end level in

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Speaker 4: the team performance level. There are things that this team

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Speaker 4: does extremely well and also that it does very poorly.

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Speaker 4: In that contrast, even in these small samples, that makes

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Speaker 4: it especially fun. I know we're going to lead off

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Speaker 4: with a guy that we already had high expectations for

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Speaker 4: and he's even surpassing those expectations. So to see somebody

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Speaker 4: potentially reach a new level of performance, that's what we

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Speaker 4: try to identify first using this kind of show and

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Speaker 4: the kind of information that we have.

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Speaker 2: Here, and you might be wondering who that player is.

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Speaker 2: Of course, our first player to discuss is mister.

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Speaker 1: Luis Arayaz, who was having an insane start to his

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Speaker 1: season in ops of one point two five to three

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Speaker 1: in ops plus of two thirty six. I know we

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Speaker 1: don't going to be back to get into batting average,

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Speaker 1: but when you're batting five hundred, that definitely is something

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Speaker 1: to know.

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Speaker 2: And Luis Arias does also lead all.

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Speaker 1: Major league position players in war He currently has a

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Speaker 1: one point two war, the highest of all position players

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Speaker 1: and third of all players now named Kyle Freeland and

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Speaker 1: Shohei o Tani Lewis Arise is having one of the

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Speaker 1: best starts up to a season in major league history,

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Speaker 1: already having twenty three hits, four doubles. I mentioned ops

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Speaker 1: plus two thirty six, a slugging of almost seven one hundred,

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Speaker 1: and we're only at the start of the season. What

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Speaker 1: have you seen from Arayaz? What can we expect and

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Speaker 1: can he keep this up the rest of the way.

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Speaker 3: I mean, realistically, we know he's not going to sustain

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Speaker 3: a five hundred batting average, nor will he sustain a

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Speaker 3: those numbers just tend to normalize. And even if he

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Speaker 3: tends to have his average season, which at this point

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Speaker 3: for his career is three twenty three eighty four nineteen,

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Speaker 3: you got exactly what he asked for, because you know,

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Speaker 3: for the pitcher they gave up in Pablo Lopez, though

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Speaker 3: he has a higher ceiling in his own right as

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Speaker 3: you're talking about and even trade, and for both teams,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of been that so far.

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Speaker 2: But you know Pablo, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And Pablo's gone off to a great start too in Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: but with a rise hitting five hundred for the totality

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Speaker 3: how long he does stay hitting four hundred. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if he takes that into May. I mean again, I

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Speaker 3: don't think in my lifetime somebody's ever gonna hit four

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Speaker 3: I mean, like you have possibly the next the second

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Speaker 3: Marlin to winning batting title and it's the defending American

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Speaker 3: League batting champion. You have like the last two reigning

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Speaker 3: as I noted, he's last three twenty three, eighty four nineteen,

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Speaker 3: and then if you look at Tony Gwinn's first four

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Speaker 4: Quickly, I wanted to shout out old friend Glenn Geffner,

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Speaker 4: and almost all the posts have a Marlins lean to it.

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Speaker 4: now for those of us, those people watching us on YouTube,

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Speaker 4: at how Arise just compares to the generation that he's

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Speaker 5: Arise, We'll have himself extra bases into the corner. This

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Speaker 4: order to make that all possible. That is, that's something

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Speaker 4: it's not ludicrous to think that this could be a

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Speaker 4: as if he was even better than we thought he

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Speaker 3: And you know what, he tugs at the heart strings

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Speaker 3: A Risees swing is so balanced, it's so even that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and with this as well, I fig of concern

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Speaker 1: But Eli, how do you see Ariza's fielding Maybe I

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Speaker 1: How do you think for him the slugging side of

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Speaker 3: I mean the baseball wouldn't indicate it. I mean, run

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Speaker 4: We need to note that how much his numbers have

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Speaker 4: No doubt it's going to come down, and I imagine

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Speaker 4: The question sort of is, you know how he approaches

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Speaker 3: He's still striking out quite a bit. But actually his

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Speaker 3: You know, the on base percentage would lead you to

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Speaker 3: And the thing I think, and personally between you and me,

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Speaker 4: His average launch angle off the bat this year twenty

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Speaker 4: pop ups, or those are very shallow fly balls. There

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Speaker 4: have been a lot of those for him this year,

436
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Speaker 4: which is why he's not getting quite as many hits

437
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Speaker 4: on balls and play as you would expect just based

438
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Speaker 4: on the quality of contact, just because he's getting underneath

439
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Speaker 4: the ball so much. Ultimately, I think the most important

440
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Speaker 4: thing is just to keep that strikeout rate, as you said,

441
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Speaker 4: better than it has been in a while, and really

442
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Speaker 4: slightly better than the league average. If he's in that spot,

443
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Speaker 4: then over the larger sample, he's gonna perform really well,

444
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Speaker 4: to be an all star version, to be the best

445
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Speaker 4: possible version of himself, somebody that you actually want to

446
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Speaker 4: have in your lineup every single day. This launch Anglashki

447
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: should come down a little bit. You want to get

448
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Speaker 4: rid of some of those empty pop ups that tend

449
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 4: to be unproductive out and are very rarely hits in

450
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Speaker 4: the first place. So that's just something to watch with him.

451
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Speaker 4: Is not to be too laser focused on trying to

452
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Speaker 4: hit home runs every single swing, because if you're just

453
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Speaker 4: a few millimeters off on that swing in the wrong direction,

454
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Speaker 4: you get underneath it. That big home run that he

455
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Speaker 4: had against the Phillies that tied the game and ultimately

456
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Speaker 4: Marlins win. I think he was helped a lot by

457
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 4: the pitch location. The pitch was like knee high, so

458
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 4: it's very hard to get underneath the ball if it's

459
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Speaker 4: only two feet off the ground, and so that did

460
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Speaker 4: him a lot of favors. If he's getting a lot

461
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Speaker 4: of pitches low in the zone, then he's gonna be

462
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Speaker 4: great because those are the balls where the angle of

463
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Speaker 4: his swing is going to line up perfectly. With pitches

464
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Speaker 4: low in the zone. Just keep in mind that there

465
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Speaker 4: are to this point there's more than a few examples

466
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Speaker 4: of him getting underneath the ball, and he wants to

467
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Speaker 4: cut those out of his diet if at all possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioning his raw power of Horace Hilaire,

469
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Speaker 1: I was just looking up his ISO for aose of

470
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Speaker 1: you who may not know what ISO is.

471
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Speaker 2: On power.

472
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Speaker 1: It takes in the raw power of a hitter by

473
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Speaker 1: taking only extra base hits of that So ISO for

474
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Speaker 1: let's say, doubles two hundred and three for a triple

475
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Speaker 1: home run, et cetera. And Horace Solaire for his isoys

476
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Speaker 1: three seventy, which I know it's a very small sample size, but.

477
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Speaker 2: That is the highest of his career.

478
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Speaker 1: The only higher number was that forty eight home run

479
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Speaker 1: year with Kansas City of three oh four. Lewis, when

480
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Speaker 1: when I tell you his number of ISO isolated power

481
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Speaker 1: is three seventy, are you not surprised.

482
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Speaker 2: At all or maybe even a little?

483
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Speaker 1: And could he go back to that twenty nineteen MVP

484
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Speaker 1: caliber year or at least seventy five percent of it?

485
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no nothing to say with the with

486
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Speaker 3: the early results indicate that he can at least be

487
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Speaker 3: three quarters of that player. Sure, but and he hit

488
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Speaker 3: all of those home runs in a very picture friendly

489
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Speaker 3: division for the most part, So it can be said that,

490
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Speaker 3: you know, so Laire, could he hit forty again, Sure,

491
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Speaker 3: it wouldn't surprise me. Do I think he's gonna run

492
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Speaker 3: a three seventy ISO, No, because again I think those

493
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Speaker 3: are kind of reserved for the elite of the elite

494
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Speaker 3: when it comes to the guys who manage extra base

495
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Speaker 3: hit power beyond homers, also hitting doubles and just hitting

496
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Speaker 3: homers in general, I don't think so Lare has that

497
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Speaker 3: if he ran a three or four, I so you

498
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Speaker 3: definitely aint gonna see him in Miami next year. And

499
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Speaker 3: if he even did that and they don't remain competitive

500
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: and the run differential catches up to them, you may

501
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: see him in another uniform come deadline. So I don't know,

502
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: but as of right now, I mean again, I and

503
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Speaker 3: it's crazy to think that he's hitting for the amount

504
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Speaker 3: of power he has, given the fact that he's gotten

505
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 3: incredibly unlucky at times with some of the bad at

506
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: balls that he's been putting into play. I mean, he

507
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: hits change like, he hits change ups harder than he

508
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: does any other pitch, and he's hitting. I believe he's

509
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Speaker 3: hitting like one twenty five and it's only eight played

510
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: appearances ending on them this year, but like ninety seven

511
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: point three off the bat, I believe, like the guy

512
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: is just squaring up everything. And again and even with

513
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: the shift restrictions you think, I mean, Eli noted this

514
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 3: that like so Lair when he wasn't shifted against last year,

515
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: hit over four hundred I believe, And now you're looking

516
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 3: at him again. A lot of those perceived hits that

517
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: we thought he was gonna get haven't turned into them yet.

518
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: But again I think they will. And even if that

519
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: means he hits two seventy with like a two to

520
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: fifty ISO for fifteen million a year or whatever he's making,

521
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: that's like a bargain. And even if he's just an

522
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: average to slightly below average defender in the outfield, and

523
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Speaker 3: he's even showed a little bit defensive versatility, I mean,

524
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: he's playing both corners. Like whether or not he's playing

525
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: it at the level of alk line, it remains to

526
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: be seen. It's not gonna happen, but it's you know,

527
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: it's just another little thing that he's kind of done

528
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: for the team this year, and yeah, he's he's definitely

529
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Speaker 3: early returns are very nice on him after a rough

530
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: first season that was riddlewood injury and consistent performance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

532
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Speaker 4: The other note I wanted to finish on with him

533
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Speaker 4: is that he's using more of the whole field than

534
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 4: he has in recent years, particularly last year. Last year

535
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: he was extremely pole heavy, and that's what made him

536
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 4: very easy to shift against, is because he was trying

537
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 4: to put everything to left field. So far this year,

538
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 4: that poll rate has come way down. He's right around

539
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: league average in terms of how often he's pulling the ball.

540
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Speaker 4: He's using both centerfield and rightfields much more than I'd anticipated,

541
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Speaker 4: and I think that bodes very well in terms of

542
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: just finding hits in different parts of the ball bark

543
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: and we've already seen him hit home runs to other

544
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: parts of the field as well. That's never been an

545
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 4: issue for him. So, as you talked about, he does

546
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: seem to be putting like good quality swings on all

547
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Speaker 4: these different pitch types and seeing the ball really well.

548
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: If he continues doing that, this is this should be

549
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: a pretty elite hitter. That's how locked in he is

550
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: right now that his timing is right and his vision

551
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 4: is on with these and he is. I'm really encouraged

552
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: by that aspect of it, that he's not trying to

553
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: yank everything to left field, so that could be contributing

554
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: to why he is making a good amount of contacts.

555
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 4: And I think this all just bundles together to see

556
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: a player that is red hot right now. It's as

557
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: simple as.

558
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Speaker 3: That, and it doesn't get talked about enough. As the

559
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: last thing we'll have on Soilaire, he hasn't shown at

560
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: early I believe it's twelve strikeouts and fifty played appearances

561
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: and only three walks, But he's shown at times that

562
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 3: he can be a pretty disciplined hitter and a lot

563
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: of those guys who tend to strike out a lot

564
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: because of the ethos of hitting nowadays, is you know,

565
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: three true outcomes. He can he could be a pretty

566
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: disciplined hitter when it comes to drawing walks. I believe

567
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: he's had a couple of seasons of sixty seventy walks.

568
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: If he even shows a little bit more places person,

569
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: if he's a league average hitter in terms of play,

570
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: you know, walks taken and the strikeout rate kind of

571
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: sustains itself. Yeah, I mean, you're talking about a guy

572
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: who again being an also or I think is an understatement.

573
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: At that point you may get some down valid MVP

574
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: votes if a lot of his performance further sustains itself.

575
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Speaker 1: I wanted to go ahead and talk about Jaff Chisholm junior,

576
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Speaker 1: but mostly focusing on his defense, his new position in

577
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: center field, which has been very hit or missed so

578
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: far to the season. But again it's so early in

579
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: the season, it's very hard to really describe or really

580
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: go in depth defensively, Lewis Jazz new center field position,

581
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Speaker 1: still learning it, still very young into the season. You

582
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: mentioned just a twelfth of the way through it. How

583
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: have Jazz fared for you at center field in terms

584
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: of maybe defensive rug save outs about average? Just how

585
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: has Jazz overall been so far this season?

586
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: I mean, again it's it's they played thirteen games, so

587
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: the results they say something, but they don't say enough

588
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: to give you a full indication of the kind of

589
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: player he's going to be doing a specific thing. I

590
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: think he's kind of just been like, at times passable

591
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: because I remember in that New York series he made

592
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: a couple of catchers on a couple of balls running

593
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: to his left. You're like, okay, Like this is what

594
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: we kind of talked about. He has this speed to

595
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: be a competent center fielder. He's a speed He's a

596
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: fast guy. I mean, he's a twenty stolen base guy

597
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: perennially when he is healthy. You'd think that speed would

598
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: translate into outfield defense. But then there's times where he

599
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: just kind of doesn't get good reads on the ball.

600
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Speaker 3: You know, I remember when Cameron Maven was a young player,

601
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: and Cameron Maven had this tendency to step take two

602
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: or three steps back before he would run in on short,

603
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: sinking fly balls. I've seen that with Jazz a couple

604
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: of times too. I know there were a couple of

605
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: hits in that Mets series where he kind of didn't

606
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: get the best of reeds on fly balls and that

607
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: would cost him and there would be a basic here

608
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: or base it there, and those add up over time,

609
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: more pitches, the pitchers of the throw, et cetera. But

610
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 3: you know, I think I think he's still learning. And

611
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: take it from a guy like Skip Schumacher who played

612
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: second place and played center field, he understands what it

613
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: means to have to have the discipline he played those positions.

614
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I just I think that this

615
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: will honestly be an experiment that will go wrong in

616
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: the long run. I don't think it's a long term thing.

617
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: There are times when I think Jazz looks competent, but

618
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: then there's times where I also think he just kind

619
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: of looks a little lost out there, because it's a lot.

620
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's a guy that we've seen it even

621
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: on Twitter recently, where he tends to be very vocal

622
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: hill he's not ignorant to the criticisms that are levied

623
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: against him and the team, and he'll say what he

624
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: says sometimes what he's thinking. I think maybe he got

625
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: in his own head a little bit. And this is

626
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: just an early assertion on my part that when he

627
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: he kind of went out and said he was going

628
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: to win a Gogleove center field, you know, you love

629
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: the confidence, but then again, you see the earlier returns

630
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: and what we saw in his training and that translated

631
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: into the season and you're just like, okay, like you know,

632
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: so far it ain't so good, but we still have time.

633
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: The season is still very young. It's in the embryonic stages.

634
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: So there's time for to work, there's time for to

635
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: not I don't think it will well.

636
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: What you touched on briefly is if he's hitting. If

637
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 4: he's hitting, and if he's running the bases the way

638
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: he expected to, then this is like a non story.

639
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: That's one thing we should emphasize more on this show

640
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: is how much the importance of offense outweighs defense. On

641
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: an individual level. You can add so many more wins

642
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: to your team offensively than you can take away or

643
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: add defensively, just because of the big disparity between getting

644
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: out versus producing runs in all those separate situations. I

645
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: think ultimately that's where we're going to be, where he's

646
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: going to perform offensively on a similar per played appearance

647
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 4: level as he did in twenty twenty two, and that

648
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: will put him once again into All Star consideration to

649
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: this point in the season, because offensively he has been

650
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: a little bit underwhelming, including a golden sombrero the most

651
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Speaker 4: recent game. Like that kind of color is the way

652
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Speaker 4: that we're talking about him and discussing it. So I

653
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: just highlighted a couple visuals for people watching, a couple

654
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 4: examples of the plays the standout plays that he's made already,

655
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: ones that, as defined by Statcast, are three star plays,

656
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: the kind of plays that are almost a coin flip

657
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: for the typical defender to catch based on the distance

658
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: they have to cover, the angle of the ball, the

659
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 4: hang time of the ball, and he's made on back

660
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 4: to back days against the Mets and City Field. He

661
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: made these nice plays coming in on the ball. There

662
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: was one where he came into his left.

663
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Speaker 2: Well, that'll be a first pitch strike.

664
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Speaker 5: Is Jazz lays out and makes a terrific play head

665
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Speaker 5: right center field.

666
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: To make a diving catch. And there was one where

667
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: he came in a little bit to his right to

668
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: make a diving catch.

669
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: Kind of getting into a groove line drive is center

670
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: Jazz laying out to make the catch on the sinking

671
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: line drive off the bat of Martee.

672
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 6: A nice play in center field. And that's a tough play.

673
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 6: A ball right at you. You don't know whether to

674
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 6: go back. Sometimes you'll get beat when you come in

675
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 6: too quick and that ball flies over your head. This

676
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 6: time you have to hold up just a little bit.

677
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 6: Nice little diving catch by Jazz.

678
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 4: That seems to be the strength of his is being

679
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: able to make up that ground and the willingness to

680
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 4: leave his feet and the coordination to extend while also

681
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 4: keeping his eye on the ball and making those plays.

682
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 4: That's been the good in what we've seen so far.

683
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: The most of the negative comes with going back on

684
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: balls and is playing with the in your proximity to

685
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 4: the wall on those type of plays, getting his initial

686
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: read on these balls as well, and understanding when a

687
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: ball is going to go behind him versus when it's

688
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: going to come towards him. He seems really like a

689
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: neophyte in that regard. It says totally foreign to him

690
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: to be able to make those reads and interpret that

691
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 4: information in the fraction of the second that you're supposed

692
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 4: to be able to in order to make those borderline

693
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 4: plays when he has to go behind him and back

694
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: up on those balls. And unfortunately, those are the type

695
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 4: of balls that if you don't catch them, those are

696
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: going to be extra base hits. Those are gonna be

697
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: doubles or triples or inside the park home runs if

698
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: you're going back on the ball and you can't make

699
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: him play on it. So that's the thing to watch

700
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: moving forward, and you just have to accept that his

701
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: arm is going to be a liability as well. It's

702
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 4: hard to imagine from my perspuective him getting more than

703
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: a handful of outfield assists during the course of the

704
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: entire season, just because that's that he's been lacking. And

705
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 4: that's the reason why the Marlins put him at second

706
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: base instead of shortstop, is because the concerns about both

707
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 4: the accuracy and consistency and strength of his arm as well. Yeah,

708
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 4: it's never gonna be totally pretty at the end of

709
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: the day, I don't think it's gonna matter very much,

710
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 4: just because we know what he's capable of doing offensively.

711
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: What I've liked is that the Marlins are giving him

712
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: all the reps that he could possibly get. The fact

713
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 4: that he has played in every single one of these

714
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: games so far this season. I think that's the most

715
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: important part, and I think that's what they need to

716
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 4: be committed to until they can go outside the organization

717
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 4: and acquire the legitimate center fielder that we know they

718
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 4: desperately need in the long run.

719
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: And you've said it's been a little exacerbated, but his

720
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: defense has been a little exacerbated by his struggles offensively initially.

721
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 3: I mean, I've said it before. I mean, he's walking

722
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Believe he's in the forty fourth

723
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: percent of on walk right this year. But just some

724
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: numbers for our listeners for what center fielders have done

725
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: at the start of play on Thursday, of any position

726
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: on the field, they have the best ops of any player.

727
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: So they're slashing two seventy three, three thirty eight, four

728
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: seventy nine. That's an eight to eighteen ops for center

729
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: fielders this year across Major League Baseball.

730
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: That's more than dhs.

731
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: That's more than first baseman, that's more than third basemen.

732
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: So when Jazz is kind of, you know, flirting with

733
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: like a five six hundred ops and he's playing suspect defense,

734
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: I think they are going to talk a lot about him,

735
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: especially when he's also just the cover athlete on a

736
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: Marquee video game that had a pretty strong marketing campaign

737
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: to kind of further the narrative of let the kids play.

738
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: When he's not hitting at a new position that, as

739
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: I've just outlined, is performing better than any other on

740
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: the field right now, it leaves a lot to be desired.

741
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: Do I think he's going to hit?

742
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: Sure? I think so long as some of the old

743
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: problems like swinging out of his shoes don't rear their

744
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 3: head again. And maybe if the defense kind of just

745
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: middles out, then you know you're okay with it. But

746
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: right now he's playing like one of the I say,

747
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: worst defender are players at the position in the majors?

748
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: Can that be said thirteen games in just with the

749
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: output thus far, I guess that's what I'm asserting, But

750
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: relative to the averages, he's kind of just been an

751
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: early disappointment beyond being healthy.

752
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to go from that, probably the last thing

753
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention to you guys on Jazz just

754
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: overall him at center field. Do you see him continuing

755
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: that for the rest of the season, or do you

756
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: see him, maybe if it doesn't go as well, to

757
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: be shifted back into maybe an infield type position, or

758
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: do you see the Marlins sticking with him throughout the

759
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: years no matter how low the downs are or anything

760
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: like that, But the Marlins will stick with Jazz Fir

761
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: Let's say, maybe overall hundred games at center field.

762
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 4: I think likely this is his job the entire year.

763
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: But there are a couple scenarios that could complicate it.

764
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 4: The first is my guy Payden Burdick that I'm keeping

765
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: my eye on. He is ripping the cover off the

766
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: ball at Triple A, and I think in the near

767
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: term future he could get another shot in the big

768
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: leagues if he does well in that shot and there's

769
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: somewhat of a log jam in the outfield that if

770
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 4: he makes it a priority that they keep him in

771
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: the majors and in the lineup, and they believe enough

772
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: in his center field defense, which is, you know, not

773
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 4: perfect either, even though he's a lot more experience out there.

774
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: He's one factor in this where if he makes himself

775
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: as staple of the lineup, particularly in the center field,

776
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 4: then that frees up Jazz to move back to the

777
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: infield and everybody wins. Jazz plays a position he's most

778
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: experienced at, and the Marlins have another homegrown, young, cost

779
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: controlled bat that they desperately need. That might be a

780
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: little optimistic. The next checkpoint would be right around the

781
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: trade deadline and seeing who's available at that time, whether

782
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: the Marlins are close enough to being competitive that they

783
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: do go out and trade for and an experienced major

784
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: league centerfielder on a team that's willing to sell at

785
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: the deadline and in that case, it's that's even more so,

786
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: that's more obvious point where they can feel comfortable putting

787
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: Jazz back in the infields and upgrading their team overall

788
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: with that acquisition. So both of those are pretty significant.

789
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 4: Ifs if I it's a handicap that I think still

790
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 4: the most likely scenario is that Jazz starts the majority

791
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: of the games, assuming he's healthy. As long as he's healthy,

792
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: I think he is going to be their primary center

793
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 4: fielder this season, and then if definitely this offseason, they'll

794
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 4: reevaluate for sure.

795
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: I mean you touched on it briefly. If the Marlins

796
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: need power and there's a team with an influx of

797
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: outfielders who maybe need something of their own, the Saint

798
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: Louis Cardinals need pitching. I was just briefly touching on

799
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: that at the outset of the show. They have a

800
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: lot of young outfielders. I know the Marlins do too

801
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: in the minors, but they have some guys that are

802
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: a little bit more proven. Maybe if you want to

803
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: get a guy like a Dylan Carlson and you want

804
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 3: to part with some of that pitching depth. It doesn't

805
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: have to be like a Marke Key name, but you know,

806
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: there's a team who's struggling to pitch the way the

807
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: Marlins for most part is struggle to score runs. Maybe

808
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: there's a solution there, it's a cost effective one, and

809
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: then you can kind of get an idea of, like

810
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: sixty plus games with Carlsenter whoever, they would go about

811
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: trading for to kind of see who's gonna fit their

812
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: long term.

813
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: You know, I agree with you.

814
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: I've even thought of the idea. I remember when Colton

815
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: Wong was kind of moved to center field for the

816
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: Cardinals because they didn't like his bat, and it had

817
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the defense. It's kind of like Jazz,

818
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: where Jazz moved there out of necessity by way of

819
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: a player that the team acquired. Colton wrong moved there

820
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: as a lettage effort to kind of sell w It's

821
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: just tenure with the team, do you think. And he

822
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: even played a little corner outfield, which leads me to

823
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: question obvious. So Garcia struggled. If Burda comes up, or

824
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 3: you know, another one of these guys kind of makes

825
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: it back to their big leagues, if Griffin con nine

826
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: miraculously shows up, where Brian Miller gets another shot would

827
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 3: you ever envision seeing Jazz maybe playing right field while

828
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: Avis Garcia sits soe Learire gets a lot of DH opportunities.

829
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: I know, right field is generally reserved for the guys

830
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: with the better arms, and left field is like the

831
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: kind of like little league position. It's the new right

832
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: field in the major leagues where you kind of put

833
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: the guys with the weaker arms there. Do you think

834
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: Jazz can maybe moonlight in a couple of couple of

835
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: games in a corner outfield spot and you allow the

836
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: younger guys to play like Verdict and co Or do

837
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: you kind of just see, like you said, you think

838
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: center field is just it. I mean, he still takes

839
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: ground balls at second base, so that's never out of

840
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: the question entirely. So, uh, Horizes isn't gonna play every day,

841
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: so you'd want to maybe, you know, get Jazz off

842
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: his feet per se and put him back at a

843
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: position where he's a little bit more familiar. I don't know,

844
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: I mean, like position of versatility is important. I don't

845
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: know if it applies to him, which is kind of

846
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: and I don't know if that's him or if that's

847
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 3: maybe just an organizational thing. But I don't want to

848
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: assume prima donnas status on a guy like that because

849
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: of you know, his standing in the game thus far.

850
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 3: But do you think he could possibly lampoon in the

851
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: outfield like corner spots.

852
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I think it's gonna be

853
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 4: center fields, or they put him back at his most

854
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 4: familiar position. There are Even though centerfield is the hardest

855
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 4: outfield spot, there are other subtle differences in the corners

856
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: that take time to learn and get used to as well.

857
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: And for him to try to learn that stuff in

858
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: the middle of the season, I don't see it. So

859
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: you just hope it's a hard decision. You hope that

860
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: eventually somebody like Burdict comes up and performs and hits

861
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: really well in majors. And you hope that these veteran

862
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: players you touch on Avi Garcia and the infield version

863
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: of that is Jean Segura, who is off to a

864
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: terrible start as well. You hope those guys bounce, like

865
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 4: actually get red. I should figure it out and prove

866
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: to be viable close to everyday hitters that are worthy

867
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Speaker 4: of those roles. And if they're not, then you make

868
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: the hard decisions about just making sure you fill out

869
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: your lineup with competent players and not worry about the

870
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 4: hurt feelings whatsoever. The Jazz will continue to be a priority,

871
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: and I think it's just gonna be center field or

872
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 4: second base.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. To go from that, I think it's time we'll

874
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Speaker 1: finish off this with our new stat head segment. We'll

875
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: take a look at a specific stat head stat and

876
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: just discuss it for maybe five ten minutes and really

877
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: get in depth in that. For this week, it's going

878
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: to be in the span of thirteen games playing with

879
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: the Marlins, the most hits during that span, And let

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00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: me give you the top five and starting with number five,

881
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: some names you're like here, James Lewis and ELI would

882
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: both love number five. Henley Ramirez twenty hits, Harold Ramirez,

883
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: Eli's favorite Marlin twenty hits as well. You just mentioned

884
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Cameron Maybyn. Well, Cameron Maybn is third on this list

885
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: with twenty one hits back in two thousand and nine,

886
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: second Dee Gordon twenty one and number one with twenty

887
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: three hits. Luis Arayaz just really incredible what he's doing

888
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: on that type of span thirteen games.

889
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll go more fourteen fifteen games, we'll still see

890
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: how it happened.

891
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: But lewis, when you look at this, when you look

892
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: at Arise's name along guys like Dee Gordon, Hanley, Ramires,

893
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: Juan Pierre, guys like that who are known for for

894
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: for just hitting the baseball like that, and you look

895
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: at the ops as well as the one, two, five, three,

896
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: just the highest on that list. Maybe overall, what does

897
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: I tell you about Araya is in that company?

898
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: He's in.

899
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: I mean the ops las Eli noted is a little

900
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: exaggerated by the fact that he had that one cycle game,

901
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: but he was hitting some doubles early in the season.

902
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: He I believe.

903
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: And there was another stat had query I did. I

904
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: wanted to see who has the most hits in a

905
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 3: month in Marlin's history, and it was Chris Coglin, I believe,

906
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 3: who had fifty two in his two thousand and nine

907
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year September October. The kind of you know,

908
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: they kind of consider that one month. Arise would need

909
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: to average about one point eight hits a game for

910
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: the remaining seventeen games of the season, And I don't

911
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: think that it's out of the way that he could

912
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: do it. I mean, he'd have to consistently. He'd probably

913
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: have to add a month hitting like four point fifty.

914
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 3: And I don't even want to know. I don't even

915
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: know the last time somebody had a batting average at

916
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: high over a single calendar month. But you know, we

917
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: talk about hot starts with the franchise, what about a

918
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: first month where he could set a franchise record for

919
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: hits in a single calendar month. I mean, it's so impressive,

920
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: like he it's you know, we're kind of it's like

921
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: a Curb Enthusiasm episode where we're kind of just circling

922
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: back to the joke that started at all. But the

923
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 3: topic that started this podcast was a Rise and it's

924
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 3: such an interesting thing to to you to you stat

925
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: had and find these queries and kind of create your

926
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: own hierarchy of where guys sit in the pantheon of

927
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: a franchise's history. And I think a Rise is very

928
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: much quickly endeared himself to to h Marlins fans, and

929
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: it's just another thing for people in baseball to talk about.

930
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: It's you know, you're not going to talk about it

931
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: as much because it's small, simple sized, And then you

932
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: have the rays in the midst of a record setting

933
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 3: winning streak and the other things that you know that

934
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more impressive. But yeah, it's just like,

935
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: you know what he's done thus far. You know the

936
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: praises we sung early. I'm sure we're going to be

937
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: singing them for years to come. And you know, you

938
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: hope as a Marlins fan, he's a guy that is

939
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: here for a very long time because he is just

940
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: so fun to watch. He, like I said, he is

941
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: kind of like a time machine. He's a human time machine.

942
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the baseball gods and however way

943
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: they go about it, every twenty five years, fifty years

944
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: or so, they present us with a player who seems

945
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: very out of his era. I mean, and I think

946
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: Arise is that it's like he just doesn't strike out,

947
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 3: he doesn't attempt to hit for power, and he plays

948
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: dead ball era baseball nineteen sixties zero of the Pitcher

949
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: era baseball, in an era where home runs are you know,

950
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: that's the sex appeal to baseball. It's it's so fun

951
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 3: to see. It's kind of and people young and old,

952
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: you kind of get an idea. It teaches you about

953
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: the history of the game while also reminding you that

954
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: there are still players out there that could just shock

955
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 3: in awe you and make you remember why you fell

956
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: in love with it in the first place. And for me,

957
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: as somebody who lives in South Florida, to you know,

958
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: Wampierre was a reason I fell in love with baseball

959
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: was because I lived down here and he was a

960
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: just such an electric player in the way he kind

961
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: of went about things. Analytics may not suggest that, but yeah,

962
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 3: I mean a rise is kind of like that. He

963
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: just kind of reinforces your love of the sport. And yeah,

964
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: he's and he's just so fun to watch, So it

965
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: doesn't surprise me that he's gotten up to the start

966
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: he has. Listen, if he hits four hundred, god like,

967
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: who knows. It's way too early to even assert that.

968
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: But that's what you play the games for, right, That's

969
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: what they say, That's why you play the games.

970
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: Number ten on that list, tall as a blunk, how

971
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: to give us a quick shot out there, and just

972
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: how good he was for that type of stretch.

973
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 2: But to go that, Eli, what were you gonna say?

974
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that if you've been listening to

975
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: this pod for almost an hour. You deserve to reward

976
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 4: yourself by buying our new T shirt celebrating Louis rises cycle,

977
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Speaker 4: available at breakingtea dot com slash fish stripes.

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Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that, and I think with that

979
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: is the perfect place to end it. Go buy the shirts,

980
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: Go subscribe to our Twitter two ninety nine a month,

981
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Speaker 1: the best thing you can do for to ninety nine,

982
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Speaker 1: for myself, Daniel, for Eli, for Lewis. This has been Phishology.

983
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: We'll have this again in a couple of weeks. Let's see,

984
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: maybe Luisa rise, maybe he's hitting six hundred, Maybe solaris

985
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: slugging eight hundred. Maybe he already has twenty home runs

986
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: by then, who knows, But for whatever it is, we

987
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: will have your coverage for you here in Phishology.

988
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Speaker 2: And always go Fish