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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Is This a Great Game?

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Speaker 1: Or What My Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 2: Dad?

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Speaker 1: Tim Kirkshon, I'm Jeff Kirkschen, and we're coming to you

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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday because we've decided moving forward to split

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Speaker 1: up our long Tuesday episodes that usually features all the

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Speaker 1: great stuff in the top.

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Speaker 3: And then an interview.

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Speaker 1: You'll be more likely to hear our interviews now on Wednesdays.

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Speaker 4: Right, and this week we have Jim Beheim, one of

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Speaker 4: the great basketball coaches of all time, spent his entire

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Speaker 4: career at Syracuse. Jeff, he was hilarious, He was delightful,

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Speaker 4: He was insightful. We talked about basketball, of course, but mostly.

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Speaker 2: We talked about baseball.

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Speaker 4: We talked about auto the Orange, We talked about golf,

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Speaker 4: we talked about tennis. We covered all sorts of basses

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Speaker 4: with Jim Beaheim.

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Speaker 1: Nice little dad joke, there all sorts of basses.

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Speaker 3: We're a baseball podcast. Nice one, dad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and my favorite party.

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Speaker 4: And you hear this, I asked him, Okay, Jim Beheim,

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Speaker 4: good player, by the way, in his collegiate days, I said,

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Speaker 4: Jim Beheim in nineteen sixty five, what does he do

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Speaker 4: against his two sons, both of whom played at Syracuse.

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Speaker 2: You need to stick around and listen to that.

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Speaker 4: And I have to make a point, Jeff, Jim Beheim

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Speaker 4: is eighty years old.

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Speaker 2: He looks like he looks younger than me now.

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Speaker 4: Granted I'm an old man now, but I'm only sixty eight.

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Speaker 2: He looks younger than I do.

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Speaker 1: He looks good, he's moving good, and he always taller

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Speaker 1: than you think he is.

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Speaker 2: And you see coach in person, right he is. We

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Speaker 2: had such a good time.

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Speaker 4: I knew we would have a good time with him,

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Speaker 4: but we had even more fun than anticipated.

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Speaker 2: Way do you hear this?

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Speaker 1: And remember we recorded this in front of a live

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Speaker 1: studio audience at the New House School at the Sports

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Speaker 1: Media Center. Big shout out to the team there, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having us. So this is a live to tape,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, interview with Coach Beheim.

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Speaker 3: Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Kirkshin with the Hall of Famer Tim Kirkshin,

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Speaker 1: my dad and the Hall of Famer Jim Beheim is

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Speaker 1: our guest today at the new House Sports Media Center.

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Speaker 1: We are at Syracuse University and the Newhouse School. Coach,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being our guest today. This is a

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Speaker 1: dream come truck.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be here on a baseball podcast. I

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Speaker 5: don't have to talk about basketball, not at all. That's

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Speaker 5: pretty good, So, Coach.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know, but Jeffrey went here

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Speaker 4: for four years and he.

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Speaker 2: Was the mascot.

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Speaker 4: He was auto the Orange for four years. I spent

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Speaker 4: he ran around.

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Speaker 2: In an orts suit for four years.

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Speaker 6: Fifty grand. You've got a discount or something. It's more

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Speaker 6: than that. Allee, my son went to Cornell.

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Speaker 5: It was like eighty before it even started, you know,

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Speaker 5: and he was the player of the We voted player

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Speaker 6: So we just left.

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Speaker 5: He just went overseas, you know, because he didn't want

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Speaker 1: So, coach, the connection of being able to get you

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Speaker 1: here is a funny one. I'm friends with Kevin Belby,

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Speaker 1: who you know obviously was working with the team in

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Speaker 1: his time here, and I asked him, I said, what's.

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Speaker 3: The easiest way to get in touch with coach?

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Speaker 1: And he said, you gotta call his wife, Julie Beheim.

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Speaker 1: She's in charge of his calendar. Similarly to me and

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Speaker 1: my dad and our respective wives, they handle everything in

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Speaker 1: She was so excited to help me find a place

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Speaker 6: To do it. She's very happy to volunteer meet for anything.

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Speaker 6: Any call. You're not an exception.

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Speaker 5: I do a lot of events and things that she

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Speaker 5: signs me up for with no knowledge, no ask just

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Speaker 5: here's your schedule. It's like kind of every day, this

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Speaker 4: Enough of auto coach. This is the Baseball Podcast. Where

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Speaker 4: did your love of baseball come from?

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Speaker 5: First game I ever played? We played in the neighborhoods,

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Speaker 5: small town, five thousand people. We had our own teams.

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Speaker 5: Different parts of town had their team. We played baseball

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Speaker 5: before anything else, before basketball or football, Little league.

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Speaker 6: Of course, I.

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Speaker 5: Had all the baseball cards of every player in the

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Speaker 5: know anything about that today. But I had every card,

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Speaker 5: years after I got out of college, I went home

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Speaker 5: to find them. Oh, I cleaned those out. We threw

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Speaker 5: all those out. Your mom threw them everyone everyone, every team.

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Speaker 5: I had, every player and every team. I just would

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Speaker 5: Time, threw it away and got the baseball I had

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Speaker 5: every I mean I'm telling you every when I say everything,

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Speaker 4: Now who was your team growing up? And who was

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Speaker 5: I started out with the Milwaukee Braves because of Hank

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Speaker 5: I don't know why, but I settled on them. Then

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Speaker 5: I watched h Musical get like five hits and beat

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Speaker 6: Of course, I mean, he just I didn't know who

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Speaker 6: And who's that guy? And you know?

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Speaker 5: And later a really good friend of mine that played here,

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Did you meet Stan Musial?

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Speaker 5: I met him once with George what was that like

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Speaker 5: over to me and he said, Coach, you know a

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Speaker 6: I didn't know.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't say. I couldn't say.

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Speaker 6: No sale work.

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Speaker 5: I just like thanks, you know, like Hank Aaron, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think I twitched to the Dodgers when he when

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Speaker 4: Well I've told jeff My Hank Aaron story. He sat

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Speaker 2: He was so charming, he was so funny, His recall

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Speaker 4: Never a good idea to do that after you've called

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Speaker 2: You know this, right?

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Speaker 4: So some guy writes in He writes in and he goes,

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Speaker 4: if anyone ever looks at you like Tim Kirkshould looked

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Speaker 4: at Hank Aaron tonight, you should marry that person.

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Speaker 2: That's how revered Hank Aaron was. And it was with me.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've been around presidents and Lucky you around

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Speaker 5: You know, that's my laugh when people say he's a legend. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: there's minor legends maybe, but like Hank Arett, he's a major.

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Speaker 5: My dead loved the Yankees growing up, so I didn't

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Speaker 6: I was dead against the Yankees. I didn't like him.

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Speaker 5: But I was at a final four, you know, I

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Speaker 5: Steinbenner and he says, coach, hey, how you doing. I said,

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Speaker 5: for pick big fans, you know, shake Hands took buddy

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Speaker 6: It's like, what a day.

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Speaker 5: And the Yankees won. I mean, couldn't have been a

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Speaker 5: all Yankee fans. Except my daughter, Sissy's not a big fan.

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Speaker 5: She's more of a natural athlete but doesn't really foul.

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Speaker 5: Somebody asked her what her favorite teams were and she says,

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Speaker 6: It doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: How is Derek Jeter the capital of the anchors, like.

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Speaker 5: The nicest in the world. Just couldn't have been better.

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Speaker 5: It was two boring. They said, we're not playing well.

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Speaker 4: Coach, every week on our podcast, I do what we

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Speaker 2: The first the first basement is Chuck Connors.

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Speaker 4: So the second basement on my team is the Lino

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Speaker 4: play college basketball, and then he ended up signing to

449
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Speaker 4: play baseball, play for the Expos, Dodgers, a bunch of

450
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Speaker 4: other teams.

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Speaker 2: So I casually asked him.

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Speaker 4: I said, Delano, if you had chosen basketball, do you

453
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Speaker 4: think you could have played in the NBA?

454
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Speaker 2: And he started yelling at me.

455
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Speaker 4: He goes, of course I could have played in the NBA.

456
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Speaker 4: Who do you think you're talking to here? And I

457
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 4: got such a such a kick.

458
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Speaker 6: Out of that.

459
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Speaker 2: Do you did you run across him?

460
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Speaker 6: He was good? I would question him.

461
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Speaker 5: It would not have been a sure thing, right, right.

462
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Speaker 5: I think his daughter was really good, right, one of

463
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Speaker 5: his daughters.

464
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Speaker 6: Is really good basketball. But he was good, right, good

465
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 6: players We say this every but there's no player that

466
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Speaker 6: doesn't think he would.

467
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Speaker 2: Have been a great of course better at something else.

468
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Speaker 5: Ron thinks he'd be the best tight end in the

469
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Speaker 5: history of football, which he might have been, but we

470
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Speaker 5: give no proof of that.

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Speaker 6: Right.

472
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Speaker 4: So our third basement is Danny Ainge, and Danny Age

473
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Speaker 4: gets a really bad rap as a baseball player because

474
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Speaker 4: he played so little baseball and then they just sent

475
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Speaker 4: him to the big leagues when he was like twenty

476
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Speaker 4: one years old, and he had very little raps at baseball,

477
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Speaker 4: and he did okay, but he didn't do really really well.

478
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Speaker 2: And then he goes on to have a great NBA.

479
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Speaker 4: You did you run across him somewhere as a basketball player?

480
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Speaker 6: Great player?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he'd never forget beating Ucla. He drove the

482
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Speaker 5: length of the court to beat a really good UCLA.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

484
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Speaker 2: Right, I was at that game.

485
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Speaker 6: I was, I saw it.

486
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Speaker 2: It was incredible. So the shortstop is Dick Grote.

487
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Speaker 5: Great basketball player at Duke, great basketball player and now

488
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Speaker 5: basketball at Pittsburgh for thirty or forty years probably, But

489
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Speaker 5: he was really a good basketball player All America, All America, All.

490
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Speaker 4: American, and the MVP of the National League in nineteen

491
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Speaker 4: sixty as a short stop, played on the famous in

492
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Speaker 4: the famous Masaraski game.

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Speaker 2: Now, coach, you were more of.

494
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Speaker 4: A Dodger and a Braves fan. But do you remember

495
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 4: the sixty World Series? You were probably fourteen to fifteen.

496
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Speaker 5: Years old, sixteen, right, do you remember Mazaroski?

497
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Speaker 2: Yes, in the home run, Yes, yeah.

498
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 4: I remember that and knocked it out of there, right, So, coach,

499
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 4: in that game, there were zero strikeouts in that game.

500
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Speaker 2: Final score was ten to nine.

501
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Speaker 4: In today's day and age, there are twenty strikeouts in

502
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Speaker 4: Game seven of every World Series. There were zero strikeouts

503
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Speaker 4: in that game. That's how the game was played back then.

504
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Speaker 6: Not anymore. Not.

505
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Speaker 5: I love the Yankees, but if they don't hit a

506
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Speaker 5: home run, they strike out. It's like just the way

507
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Speaker 5: they play, right, It's I find it hard to watch.

508
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'd rather go see a game where there's

509
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Speaker 5: some hits and you know, feeling plays come in then,

510
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Speaker 5: but you know, that's just the way.

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Speaker 2: The game is that right, All right, let me finish

512
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Speaker 2: my team. So outfield, we have Kenny.

513
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Speaker 6: Lofton, really good basketball player, right.

514
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Speaker 2: Played at University of Arizona.

515
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Speaker 4: Another guy that I asked if he could play in

516
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Speaker 4: the NBA and just shook his head at me.

517
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Speaker 2: What an insult it was that I would even ask them.

518
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Speaker 6: He would have had he would have struggled. He was better.

519
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 4: He picked the rights right, Tony Gwynn, who was the

520
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: all time assist leader at San Diego State and instead

521
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 4: signed to play baseball. And by the way, coach, his

522
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 4: hands are half the size of my hands. I have

523
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Speaker 4: really big hands for a tidy little guy. But Tony

524
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: couldn't even palm a basketball. You can't palm a basketball,

525
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Speaker 4: never could coach.

526
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Speaker 2: None of this matters.

527
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Speaker 4: I can palm a basketball with both hands at the

528
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Speaker 4: same time.

529
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Speaker 2: Doesn't do me any good.

530
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Speaker 4: It is a sixty eight year old sports, right, So

531
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Speaker 4: how did you get by with relatively small hands for

532
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Speaker 4: a six four two guard?

533
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Speaker 6: Very good hands, small but very good. I the there's.

534
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Speaker 5: Less than one turnover game. Really, of course, I didn't

535
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Speaker 5: handle it that much. The other guy, right, the other

536
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 5: guy was pretty The other guy was pretty good, pretty good?

537
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Speaker 4: Okay, Cotton Nash. Do you remember Cotton Nash? Yes, Cotton

538
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Speaker 4: Nash played in.

539
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Speaker 3: The hard to forget a name like that, right.

540
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Speaker 4: He played in the big leagues and in the NBA.

541
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Speaker 4: I don't pretend to remember him.

542
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Speaker 6: There was pretty good. He was good. I'm trying to

543
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Speaker 6: thank Kentucky basketball.

544
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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure when he went to school.

545
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Speaker 4: But my DH is Frank Howard, and I grew up

546
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Speaker 4: watching him play.

547
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Speaker 6: And he saw him.

548
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Speaker 4: He got thirty three rebounds in a game for Ohio

549
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Speaker 4: State six seven three hundred pounds in his prime. So

550
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Speaker 4: he's my designated hitter. So I'll just run through my

551
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Speaker 4: pictures and we'll get over this. Dave de Busher is

552
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Speaker 4: my number one. Stay right, and did you ever run

553
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Speaker 4: across him?

554
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Speaker 2: Did you ever meet him?

555
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Speaker 5: I met him once, but he was He was just

556
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Speaker 5: one of the toughest guys ever to play. He just

557
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 5: six to eight may, but he was just got every rebound,

558
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 5: could shoot it and played with the next great next

559
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Speaker 5: teams with Fraser and Bradley and Willis Reed, the great

560
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Speaker 5: Willis Reed.

561
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Speaker 6: David Busher was really good.

562
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Speaker 2: So I told coach about this list.

563
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Speaker 4: I didn't give him the names, and he said, do

564
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Speaker 4: you have Gene Conley on the list?

565
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Speaker 2: The answer is yes.

566
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Speaker 4: Gene Conley played for the Celtics, pitch for the Red Sox.

567
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Speaker 2: You remember him, right, Yeah.

568
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Speaker 5: He wasn't very good with the Celtics were too good,

569
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Speaker 5: you know, they were too good.

570
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Speaker 6: But he was big, long guy.

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Speaker 2: I just to finish.

572
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Speaker 4: We had Mark Hendrickson, and we had Steve Hamilton also

573
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Speaker 4: pitch for the Yankees. And our catcher, the only catcher

574
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Speaker 4: I could find, who was Joe Mauer just went in

575
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame for baseball. He told me his

576
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Speaker 4: senior year in high school in Minnesota.

577
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Speaker 2: He was an all state basketball player.

578
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Speaker 4: So I said, Joe, like, how many points a game

579
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Speaker 4: did you average your senior year. He's the most modest

580
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Speaker 4: kid world because, oh, I was just a defensive specialist.

581
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: I really didn't score.

582
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Speaker 2: I said, how many games did you score?

583
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Speaker 4: He said, I scored twenty two points a game, and

584
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Speaker 4: it was a defensive specialist.

585
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Speaker 2: They are so humble.

586
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Speaker 4: So he's one of the few guys who doesn't say

587
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Speaker 4: I could have played in the NBA.

588
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Speaker 6: It's a lot harder to do than people people do.

589
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 5: They all think they could play, right, It's it's not

590
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Speaker 5: that easy.

591
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Speaker 1: Though, So coach, as you know, we're a father son podcast,

592
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Speaker 1: and I know you've answered every question under the sun

593
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Speaker 1: about coaching your sons at Syracuse, and so we're not

594
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Speaker 1: going to go down that lane because you've answered everything.

595
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: You've said everything. It's he's just another player. He's got

596
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Speaker 1: to go out there and compete.

597
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Speaker 6: We get it.

598
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Speaker 1: However, we have a little hypothetical because that's what dads

599
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Speaker 1: and son stealings, what men talk.

600
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Speaker 6: About in there.

601
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Speaker 1: What if this happens a dad, Why don't you set

602
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: the hypothetical.

603
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Speaker 3: We came up with on the car ride this morning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, if.

605
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Speaker 4: You in your prime, so Jim Beheim nineteen sixty five

606
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Speaker 4: will say, is guarding either want Jimmy Beheim or Buddy

607
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 4: Beheim today you are guarding your son in your prime

608
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 4: against their prime.

609
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Speaker 5: How they will not they will if they ever hear

610
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Speaker 5: I said that, they will fight. But no, Look, there

611
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 5: were twelve NBA teams when I got a I played

612
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 5: in the Eastern League, which is on weekend league, and

613
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 5: there were actually twelve or sixteen teams in the Eastern League.

614
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Speaker 5: So all the guys in the country that couldn't get

615
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 5: their twelve teams, they only had ten twelve guys. They

616
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Speaker 5: didn't have rosters, so we were all playing Surday and Sunday,

617
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 5: and I was going to school and coaching but every weekend.

618
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Speaker 6: So I got a chance.

619
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Speaker 5: After my first year there, I was called I could

620
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Speaker 5: have gotten a contract with the Pistons, but I was

621
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Speaker 5: here starting to coach, and I just said, they have

622
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Speaker 5: day Bang, Jimmy Walker, and a guy named Howard Coomives

623
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Speaker 5: was a great player. Right, they have those three. I'm

624
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 5: not even close to as good as those streets, So

625
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be the fourth guard there, and that means,

626
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Speaker 5: you know, I'm not gonna play because in those days

627
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 5: they didn't play a lot of guys. So I just

628
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: decided to stay here. But I was I was a

629
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Speaker 5: pretty good player. My sons are good. They're not that good.

630
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Speaker 5: They're not that good. They won't they will fight this

631
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Speaker 5: to the end. But that's I don't.

632
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Speaker 4: What were the games like when they were twelve, thirteen, fourteen, sixteen.

633
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Speaker 4: When did they start to think I could beat da

634
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Speaker 4: at something here?

635
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Speaker 5: Well, we never really talked about it. When they started

636
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 5: to shoot as well. I shot with him for a while.

637
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 5: When they started to shoot good, I just quit.

638
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 6: But they used to.

639
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 5: Play each other, you know those nerf and not kind

640
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 5: of nerf baskets you have an house.

641
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Speaker 6: When they were eight seven years old, it was so physical.

642
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: They would I had to go in and referee the

643
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 5: games and they would just beat each other up. And

644
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: Jimmy was older and stronger, so he would file more.

645
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 5: I call foul, and he says, you're just you're just

646
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 5: helping buddies.

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Speaker 3: You know how many holes in dry walls from those.

648
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 6: Games w There was blood. There was blood, but you know,

649
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 6: that's how you get better. The younger brother is always better.

650
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 6: You know that, right? Of course, the younger.

651
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 5: Brother is always the best player because the older brother

652
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 5: beats on him.

653
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 6: We've had numerous examples.

654
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Speaker 5: I mean, Billy Owens and you know Buddy of Tons

655
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 5: and Tons, Jerry McNamara all had older brothers, Queth Dewaney.

656
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 6: They all took that meaning and they got better.

657
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Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty obvious.

658
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Speaker 1: One of my best friend, one of my closest friend's

659
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Speaker 1: four brothers, and the third brother is the best player

660
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Speaker 1: to play at my high school. And all the brothers

661
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Speaker 1: played in high school because when.

662
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Speaker 3: He was playing with US seventeen.

663
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Speaker 1: Year olds, he was eleven and he ended up being

664
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Speaker 1: six five, but at that time he was five to

665
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Speaker 1: one and so he had to learn how to handle.

666
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Speaker 1: So when he gets to be sixty five, he's a

667
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Speaker 1: six foot five point guard.

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Speaker 3: This is my buddy, who's a six foot five center.

669
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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, he does. So the last one is almost

670
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 6: always better.

671
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Speaker 1: Right, almost more With coach Jim Beheim coming up next

672
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Speaker 1: on is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: So, coach you played with Dave Bang who's the best

675
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Speaker 4: player you ever played against?

676
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Speaker 2: Against?

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Speaker 6: What's there?

678
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Speaker 4: I mean, you must have played against some spectacular all

679
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Speaker 4: time Hall of famer right.

680
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Speaker 5: Well, we played Dave was the best player at college basketball.

681
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Speaker 5: We played against Bill Bradley, who is a great shooter

682
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 5: and great player. He was an amazing player. I mean

683
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: he never missed. People shoot today and they can shoot.

684
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Speaker 5: He could shoot with Steph Curry. You know, Steph Curry

685
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: does crazy things, but just shooting on one spot. Bill

686
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Speaker 5: Bradley could shoot with him. Klay Thompson beat him. We

687
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 5: had him both of the Olympics, and they would shoot

688
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Speaker 5: after practice every day from spots without dribbling, without move

689
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Speaker 5: you know, and Clay would beat him a lot. But

690
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Speaker 5: when you talk about doing crazy shots, nobody's like Steph Curry.

691
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Speaker 6: But you know, just one of a kind type type

692
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Speaker 6: of shooter.

693
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Speaker 2: So you said you played golf with Michael Jordan. What

694
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Speaker 2: was that like?

695
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Speaker 6: I like Michael. We got along. We've always got along.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's a really good golfer, not as good as

697
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Speaker 5: he thinks, but he's really good. When I played with him,

698
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 5: he was a three, probably a three or three, but

699
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 5: he played, you know, he gambles. He plays for a

700
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 5: lot and a lot of guys made some money from

701
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Speaker 5: Michael because he thinks he's a three when he's probably

702
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Speaker 5: really not quite that. And these guys are like scratch

703
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Speaker 5: and they say they're threes.

704
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Speaker 2: You know, a big difference there between a scratch and

705
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Speaker 2: a five list.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's a big dinners between being a scratch

707
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Speaker 5: and being a pro, right, you know, I think Kenny

708
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Speaker 5: Harrelson said, you know what there is between being shooting

709
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 5: a ranch and being a pro turned on the lights

710
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Speaker 5: out in the tournament.

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Speaker 6: See what you know.

712
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Speaker 5: In the country club I used to play in the

713
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Speaker 5: amateur tournaments and guys who were one at country clubs

714
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Speaker 5: would try to qualify for the state amateur eight. It

715
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Speaker 5: was not playing at your club. Same thing with that

716
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Speaker 5: type of thing. But Michael's a really good player, a

717
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 5: really good golfer.

718
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Speaker 2: But you were a two and no, you were a

719
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Speaker 2: scratch in your day, two or three at Rabbath. So

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Speaker 2: who's the best golfer you ever played with?

721
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm pretty good friends with Joey Sindelar.

722
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Speaker 2: And Wayne Levy, who were they're from up here, right.

723
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're from here. I actually played against Joey Sindelaron

724
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Speaker 5: Mike Hobert who was on the tour when they were seventeen.

725
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Speaker 5: We played in the two ball and as a country

726
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Speaker 5: club and I shot thirty three on the front and

727
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Speaker 5: were my team We were five down.

728
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Speaker 4: Really we were five downs, three under your five down.

729
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 5: They went they made one part three eagles and the

730
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Speaker 5: rest perdis.

731
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Speaker 4: But Coach, that speaks again to what I talk about

732
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Speaker 4: all the time. It's the different levels that people don't

733
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Speaker 4: understand that a scratch and a PGA Tour player are

734
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Speaker 4: not completely different animals, correct.

735
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Speaker 6: Not even First of all, I play with a guy

736
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Speaker 6: that's a plus one. He's really good.

737
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Speaker 5: He plays at oak Hill, so that's you play there,

738
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Speaker 5: you're a plus one and he's really good.

739
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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: But the difference between him that and the tour guy,

741
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's not even something you can talk

742
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Speaker 5: about how good they are, right. They played courses that

743
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 5: are tricked up there all the way back. They're hard fast,

744
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Speaker 5: the pins are impossible positions. I mean, you know, it's

745
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Speaker 5: just and they shoot sixty six, right, you know, I'll

746
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 5: never forget Lee Trevino came here and played drummons, what's

747
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 5: a good golf course?

748
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Speaker 6: I played that shot sent me there that was.

749
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Speaker 5: Good, and he played and I think the first nine holes,

750
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Speaker 5: and he was clowning around. He made a bury, he

751
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 5: made a bunch of powers. So somebody said to him, Lee,

752
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 5: that's the best you can do. He looked at the guy.

753
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Speaker 5: He buried the first eight holes on the back then,

754
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Speaker 5: and he looked at the guy says, how's that.

755
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Speaker 6: He went very very very very very very very very.

756
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Speaker 5: Very and it's a hard, harder back nine and drums

757
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Speaker 5: through the woods and stuff pretty very just like that,

758
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Speaker 5: and he just, how's that? I mean, Lee, it was

759
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Speaker 5: there weren't even two hundred people there, you know.

760
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Speaker 6: I went.

761
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Speaker 5: I actually went and saw the big three, Arnold Palmer,

762
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Speaker 5: Gary Player and Jack Nicholas at Oak Hill, and I

763
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Speaker 5: saw him again, but I saw him twice. And I

764
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Speaker 5: remember one guy, Gary Player hit it forward and there's

765
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Speaker 5: part five and knocked it knocked on the green. It

766
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Speaker 5: was really good shot, and the guy said, mister Player.

767
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Speaker 5: Guy asked qu he's sure, and he says, from over here,

768
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Speaker 5: it looks like you're lined up wrong. And he looks

769
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Speaker 5: at the I says, from over here, I'm lined up

770
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Speaker 5: just right.

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Speaker 6: I just laughed. I mean, it's a lot of great

772
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Speaker 6: golf stories. I love golf. It's just it's a different game.

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Speaker 1: Coach, you mentioned you've played Augusta twice, which is a

774
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Speaker 1: dream for any golfer to have that.

775
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: What was that?

776
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 5: Like, it's better than you think, really, in other words,

777
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Speaker 5: you think it's the best, like whatever thought you think

778
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 5: something's the best.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, oh it's better. Wow. It's like you can't even believe.

780
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Speaker 2: You're walking the coach when you got to Amen quarter.

781
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Speaker 2: Are you saying, oh my gosh, Amen Quarter.

782
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 5: It's just the whole experience, it's not The Member's course

783
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 5: is sixty four hundred yards where they play now. I

784
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 5: couldn't even break a hundred. I shot seventy seven from

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Speaker 5: the member.

786
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Speaker 6: Which was at that time was where they played. It wasn't.

787
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Speaker 6: That's why they moved all the tea's.

788
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Speaker 5: I mean, these guys would have been shooting in the

789
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 5: fifties there.

790
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Speaker 6: It was so short.

791
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 5: But the greens are really they're difficult, they're fast.

792
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Speaker 3: We have to ask him, so we do a k

793
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 3: quandary every single week.

794
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: It's it's a question, and you know with the masters,

795
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: we ask an eighteen handicap goes and plays where the

796
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: pros are playing on Sunday at Augusta.

797
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Speaker 2: And coach the eighteen handicap. You know him.

798
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 4: He plays fifty nine hundred yards from his little municipal court.

799
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: He rakes three footers, He tees it up in the rough.

800
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: Occasionally he a triple bogie is the highest he can go.

801
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: If that so me eighteen has to play every shot

802
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 4: by every rule on Sunday at the Masters, and he's

803
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 4: playing next to Phil and Tiger, meaning he's facing pressure

804
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 4: he has never faced.

805
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't think he can take it back. What is

806
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: that guy shooting?

807
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 5: Coach, Well, if he has two dozen balls to start,

808
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 5: he won't finish.

809
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 6: He'll need to get somebody to run him out some balls.

810
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 5: You can't that guy can't shoot one hundred and fifty

811
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 5: at a.

812
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: Gust I said, one hundred and seventy five.

813
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: That's what he's gonna shoot, because he's gonna take it

814
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 4: twenty on him.

815
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 5: Just a good player, a five handicapper at that. And

816
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 5: Augusta the way it is now, you know, has no

817
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 5: chance to shoot better than ninety. I mean, those courses

818
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 5: are so hard that you can't you just can't put

819
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 5: it in your mind. It's like oh kill. I used

820
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 5: to play, Oh kill. I just shoot seventy eight or

821
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 5: nine from the you know. But then when they set

822
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 5: it up for a tournament and grow the roughs, you

823
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 5: can't see your ball in the rough there, right, I'll

824
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 5: never forget. I was standing next to a pro at

825
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 5: the Open and an old palmer was in the rough

826
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 5: and you couldn't see his ball, and he hit a

827
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 5: three wood.

828
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 6: It's the thirteen to. It's a great one of the

829
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 6: great part five.

830
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 5: He hits the three wood out of there, and I

831
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: mean he just grasses flying everywhere. His ball go brow

832
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 5: two thirty, two hundred and thirty yards out of this line.

833
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 5: That I couldn't see the ball with a three one

834
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 5: in the in the pro would standing I remember who

835
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 5: it was and he said, you looked. I was in

836
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 5: the only one on that side of the fairway, and

837
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 5: he says, nobody.

838
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 6: Has any idea what he just did there.

839
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 5: You can't do that, right, And that's what they That's

840
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 5: what they do, right. They do shots that you know

841
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 5: everything on TV. It looks like when you run Sae

842
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 5: Kwon Barkley runs off tackle you I can do that, right, No,

843
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 5: you could.

844
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: It just looks easy and coach. That's one reason I

845
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: love baseball so much.

846
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: I believe it's the hardest game in the world to play,

847
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 4: and the average fan has no comprehension of the speed

848
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 4: of the ball that what ninety eight miles an hour

849
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: up near the tower actually looks and feels like what

850
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 4: a ground ball hit by Vlad Guerrero when you're even

851
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: with third that it's an incomprehensible rate of speed. You

852
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: must recognize that in baseball the degree of difficulty is

853
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 4: exceptionally high.

854
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 5: Incredibly hard. And you know, I compare it to a

855
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 5: tennis serve. I played tennis, like to play. You imagine

856
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 5: somebody hitting a one hundred and thirty miles on our survey.

857
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 6: You would be like this and it would be there

858
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 6: before you even moved your racket.

859
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: And yet you watch on TV and you think, oh,

860
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: I could know you couldn't you know, you know you

861
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 5: couldn't do that.

862
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 6: I mean, it's like I went to Eddie Feyner. Yeah,

863
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 6: of course.

864
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 4: So he was an underhand pitcher who played with five

865
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: guys on the team, and he would strike may out.

866
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 5: Throw one hundred and whatever miles behind his back. And

867
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 5: then I went up there to play. Once that I

868
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 5: was there like this, and the ball where's Oh, it's

869
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 5: right there.

870
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 6: It's like I heard it.

871
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 5: You imagine an one hundred and five mile hour fastball.

872
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 5: Normal people would not even they wouldn't even see it,

873
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 5: let alone hit it.

874
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 4: I mean the coach, once they saw it, they would

875
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 4: be so afraid that.

876
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: They would never get near it again again.

877
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 6: The fear of the ball in that little trading.

878
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: I mean, I didn't bail out, but a little bit

879
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 5: has Literally when they're throwing fifty or sixty.

880
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Whatever, Well, when your boys stopped playing baseball eighth grade,

881
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: that's when I stopped. And your boy's a little bit

882
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: different in size than me, but all the other kids

883
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: got bigger, got stronger, and we're throwing harder and.

884
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: I couldn't keep up.

885
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: And it's the greatest one on one sport of all time, baseball,

886
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: because every play starts with an iso.

887
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 6: It's me against you.

888
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: I don't want you to hit the ball, and I

889
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: want to get on base. And that's what makes baseball

890
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: so special.

891
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 6: It's hard, it's hard. It's hard. Claren sports william said that.

892
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 4: Yes, Ted and Ted to do. I have a million

893
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: Ted Williams stories. We're not going to tell them all today.

894
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: But the first time I met coach he doesn't remember

895
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 4: this was fifteen years ago.

896
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: What.

897
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 4: Kelly Kirchen is a freshman at Syracuse. Kelly had just

898
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: finished her senior year in high school. And I can't

899
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 4: help but tell coach that my daughter, who's a freshman here,

900
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 4: made fifty four out of fifty six free throws her.

901
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: Senior year in high school.

902
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: That's ninety six zero point four percent of Coach looks

903
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: at me and goes, well, she's.

904
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: Way better than any of our guys.

905
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 6: You were at about seven sixty eight. I think that

906
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 6: year right.

907
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: And Kelly is this tall. She's my daughter.

908
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 4: But it speaks again to coach that if you put

909
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: your mind to something, you can be this tall and be.

910
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: Great at it. If this is what is important to you.

911
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 6: That's why I think sports is great.

912
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 5: I mean not to lecture, but if you can do that,

913
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 5: she can do that, she'll be good at what she does.

914
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 6: She'll do something, she'll be good.

915
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 5: If you can put your mind to something in sports

916
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 5: and do it, it relates to a life, you will

917
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 5: be able to put your mind to something else that

918
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 5: you need to.

919
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 6: Do to be successful.

920
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 5: And it's funny, but we've had tons of basketball players,

921
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 5: even the ones that struggle a little bit getting through

922
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 5: that experience. They end up doing better than you normal

923
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 5: in life because you learn these lessons.

924
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Two years later, when I was touring Syracuse, we also

925
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: got to meet Coach when Kevin Belby was showing.

926
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: And I can't help, but notice you didn't tell Coach about.

927
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: Me starring in Guys and Dolls my junior year hitting

928
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: a high Hey, I mean I think Coach is equally.

929
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: I look, Jeff is a good little last leete.

930
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: But in high school, unlike his sister, he was the

931
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: star of all school plays. He played Oscar Madison in

932
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 4: The Odd Couple five hundred and eleven lines.

933
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: I counted him because I ran him with him one night.

934
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 4: So yes, and there's a certain skill to being and

935
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: this is why he's a radio guy now in Cleveland.

936
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: Is he's been up on stage before?

937
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 5: Well, I don't tell everybody been In sixth grade, I

938
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 5: started the school play The Man who Wore the Rose

939
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: Colored Glasses?

940
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 6: Really, whoever heard of that play?

941
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: You were the star? Did you have to sing?

942
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 6: Or I just talked? That wasn't that good either? Nobody

943
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 6: else would take the part. It wasn't that I was good.

944
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 6: Nobody would take the.

945
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: Part so Kelly was going to play.

946
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: We thought she might go play Division III basketball, but

947
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: she said, I don't want to play anymore.

948
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: I want to go to see her kids. I want

949
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: to be a big time school.

950
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: So this is so pathetic, coach, But only I would

951
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 4: follow this because I followed everything about her career as

952
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: a basketball player. Her first game here was a sorority

953
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: basketball game, and I said, please call me after the

954
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: game to tell me what the score was.

955
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't get any smaller than this.

956
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: So she calls and says, okay, Dad, we won twenty

957
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 4: to sixteen. I said twenty to sixteen. I said, how

958
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 4: many points did you score? She said twenty. She said

959
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 4: half the girls of the team had never played. So

960
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: they kept throwing it to me and say, Kelly knows

961
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: how to play.

962
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: Beauty of sports, The Beauty of sports.

963
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: And my brother in law went to Syracuse too, Kelly's husband,

964
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: and the first question my dad asked, after, that's a.

965
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: Big thing you have daughters.

966
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: It's like when you tell your dad there's a boy

967
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: in your life. It's way different than when the boys

968
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: say hey, I'm dating a girl, and you're like, god, great, awesome,

969
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: good for you. The first question out of my dad's mouth,

970
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, was can you shoot the three?

971
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 6: And he can.

972
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: He was a really good basket well player in high

973
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: school in Buffalo.

974
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: I coach, I'm hopeless, all right.

975
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 4: I love baseball, I love basketball, I love sitcom from

976
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: the sixties, and I don't know anything else in the world.

977
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: But this has taken me an awful long way. And

978
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 4: then when we run into somebody who's even older than

979
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: me and loves basketball more than I do and loves baseball.

980
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: So this is this is so good for an old

981
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: guy like me.

982
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 6: That's a great. This is a great I love it. Coach.

983
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: One more story, and this is one of my favorite

984
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: basketball stories.

985
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: So Troy Brewer was our neighbor. We had a big

986
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: hoop outside of our of our house. He'd come and

987
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 3: eat jam on it. And he played in a high

988
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 3: school in the area, and he went.

989
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: To Montrose Christian where Kevin Durant was.

990
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: So we are he's his dad is talking to him

991
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: and he's saying, Troy, if you want to play in

992
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: the NBA, if you want to play Division one, you

993
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: got to go before practice and shoot at five am

994
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: for six am practice and shoot after practice his dad.

995
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm already two practices a day doing all this stuff.

996
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: Nobody's easy enough to do it. Only one guy does it, Kevin,

997
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant.

998
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 6: He does it.

999
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: It's sorry I ruined the Yeah, sorry, I didn't know

1000
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: you were going there.

1001
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 5: That's why.

1002
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 6: Kevin still does it. Right.

1003
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 5: When he played in the Olympics, every year we had him,

1004
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 5: he was the best Olympic player. He would come home

1005
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 5: and he would go and the next day go to

1006
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 5: high school and play with high school kids. The next

1007
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 5: day when he got home for two or three hours,

1008
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 5: I mean, who nobody does that, Kevin Durant, Right.

1009
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: Well, that was going to be my question, and you

1010
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: just answered. It was like, who was that guy, whether

1011
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: it was on the Olympic team or team coach, that

1012
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: just was next level?

1013
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 6: Kobe Kobe's next level Kevin.

1014
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 5: I mean they all are to some except but Kobe

1015
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 5: when he first came with us, was he's just a killer.

1016
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 6: He's like Jordan. Jordan and him are the.

1017
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 5: Two guys that I've seen that are killers. They they

1018
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 5: take no prisoners when they come in. If they're playing

1019
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: ping pong, they're beating as bad as they can't it

1020
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 5: doesn't matter what it is. They come in the gym

1021
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 5: the first day we had lost in the World Championship, Lebron.

1022
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 6: All those guys were young.

1023
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 5: Kobe came the next year and they were going to

1024
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 5: practicing and Kobe was pushing and knocking guys around. Lebron's Kobe,

1025
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: what are you doing? And he looked at Lebron. I

1026
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 5: can't say it, he says, I did not come here

1027
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 5: to blank lose.

1028
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 6: And then the next.

1029
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: Play hit Lebron again, and then Lebron started hitting back,

1030
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: and then that team started all doing that and we

1031
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 5: never lost another game. We won three gold medals in

1032
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 5: the Olympics too, winner World Championships, and Kobe Bryant just

1033
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 5: would not let anybody lose.

1034
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: I saw this clip. It's been running on my feet

1035
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: a hundred times.

1036
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: Was when Kobe told Lebron in a game, I'm gonna

1037
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: run through his chest.

1038
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 6: Oh. August saw his best friend.

1039
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: Right and teammate for years, and he said, I need

1040
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: to set the standard.

1041
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 6: He hit him.

1042
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 5: It was right in front of the bench. He hit

1043
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 5: him so hard. Gasaw went down to the floor like

1044
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: he was dead, like he was shot. He hit him

1045
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 5: right in the he couldn't move and he tried to

1046
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 5: say Kobe, and Kobe just walked away just like that.

1047
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: When I met coach the first time sixteen years ago,

1048
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 4: he told me the story about Kobe when they played

1049
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: Angola and it's like forty points ahead the United States,

1050
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: and coach says that Kobe looks at the at the

1051
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: guard and the other team and goes, I'm going to go.

1052
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: Will you finish the story?

1053
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 6: It was actually your close Dominican Republicans.

1054
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 5: Get Vasquez right in Maryland. It was a great player,

1055
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 5: but he was, you know, a freshman at Maryland.

1056
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 6: We're up fifty.

1057
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 5: Kobe picks him up full court, takes it away and

1058
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 5: makes a layup.

1059
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 6: So the guy taking our bounds was still standing there.

1060
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 6: He took it and throw it right back to it,

1061
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 6: and Kobe took.

1062
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 5: It away and laid it in again, and grievous walked

1063
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 5: off the court.

1064
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 6: Coach called time out.

1065
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 5: Kobe came to the huddle and I I ver, you

1066
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 5: don't talk to cause he's himself.

1067
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 6: In his world. Cole.

1068
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 5: We're up fifty two, and he I can't tell you

1069
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 5: again what he said. That guy's that he's out there.

1070
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 5: I'm kicking his ass. I mean it's fifty two points.

1071
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 5: I just okay, what are you going to say? But

1072
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 5: he wanted the toughest guy. And when the first Olympics

1073
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 5: that we needed to win, that was our first goals,

1074
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 5: Spain got close and he just took the ball and

1075
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 5: scored right.

1076
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 6: So I got it. It just took it.

1077
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 4: So, Jeff, We've covered auto, We've covered baseball, we covered basketball,

1078
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: we covered golf. Coach, this has been an absolute pleasure.

1079
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 4: You were delightful. Thank you so much for joining us

1080
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 4: on our podcast.

1081
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 5: It's probably not that good thing, but I have a

1082
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 5: knowledge of all sports.

1083
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's any good or not, but

1084
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 6: that's all I've ever thought about. It's fun.

1085
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: Thank you, Coach Bay, thank you for joining us.

1086
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: Thank you new how Sports Media Center really appreciate your time.

1087
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 2: Coach.

1088
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 6: Thank you, coach.

1089
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: Thank you to our students who came and got to

1090
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: see a little inside look at our podcast. And as always,

1091
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: thank you for being a part of our family. You're

1092
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: part of our family now, coaching, Thank you so much

1093
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: for being our guests today.

1094
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1095
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: Thank you to coach Beeheim and the amazing team at

1096
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: the New House School, including Olivia Stompsky and Julie Wallace,

1097
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you for helping us set

1098
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: this up and put it together.

1099
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: And of course thank you to Coach bayhim right.

1100
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 4: So, after the taping, Coach Beheim shakes my hand and

1101
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 4: then he gets this rather solemn look on his face

1102
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: and he goes, I can't believe I didn't talk about

1103
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 4: Sandy Kofax today. Oh now, and he's it's all right,

1104
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 4: but he said, he said, Sandy Kofax is the greatest

1105
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: pitcher that I've ever seen. And he said, if you

1106
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 4: pick one pitcher in Major League history to pitch one

1107
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 4: game for you, it has to be Sandy Kofax. That's

1108
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 4: how passionate Jim bay Tim is about baseball and especially

1109
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 4: about the guys he grew up watching. And he was

1110
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 4: like he was angry at hisself for not reminding us

1111
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 4: how great Sandy Kopex was. So he did that off

1112
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Speaker 4: camera with me, just showing again his passion for sports,

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Speaker 4: including baseball.

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Speaker 1: Back with you again, thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: We'll have another episode tomorrow. So we're going Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Thursday starting this week, so more great game or what

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Speaker 1: We're happy to do it and we're glad that you're listening.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and as always, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being a part of our family.