1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: Buck with you? Buck? What is going on? Man? Not 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: too much? Man, DJ? 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: This is the fun time. I know you've started this process. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: Are you beginning to start it? 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: Like I started looking ahead to the twenty twenty six draft, 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: where we go? I know you tend to start with 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: the big uglies. 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: I started with the fun positions just because I'm familiarizing myself. 11 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: So I'm looking at all these quarterbacks and I'm just 12 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: beginning to kind of see what's out there, even though 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: some of these guys want to declare it's just an 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: interesting class. 15 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: And I'm saying interesting and good, and I'm saying interesting 16 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: and bad. 17 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Just interesting what these teams are going to have to 18 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: decide upon when they're thinking about the next version of 19 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. 20 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: There's so many of them want yeah, no doubt. 21 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: And look, you know there's been times where we thought 22 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: it was a good year and it didn't turn out 23 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: to be such down the road with times we thought 24 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: it was a bad year, and then all these guys 25 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: develop and surprise you. So you know, we'll see how 26 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: it goes with all these quarterbacks. I was, you know, 27 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: just kind of thinking about this the other day when 28 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: you look at the quarterbacks last year, not this current 29 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 3: class that we have as rookies, but these second year players. 30 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: Think about how quickly the narrative has shifted on some 31 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: of these guys. Man obviously Drake Mason, the MVP discussion, 32 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: Calebs Caleb's got it. You know, he's he's getting better 33 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: and better and better and just keeps showing you what 34 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 3: he's capable of in the clutch moments. Boon Nicks it's, 35 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: you know, maybe took a little bit of a step 36 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: down in some eyes, but then you know, has all 37 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: these comeback wins and he's got his team as the 38 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: number one team in the in the AFC, got Jay 39 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: Daniels in a conference championship game last year. What he 40 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: hasn't been healthy, and that whole team went from you know, 41 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 3: or end the custom of the Super Bowl to looking 42 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: like they're pretty far away at this point in time. 43 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 3: And JJ McCarthy, we hadn't seen, you know, he gets 44 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: out there and it hasn't been great. And then Pennix, 45 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: it's I think that stat was something like what in 46 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: his last eight years of football and ending injury and 47 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: five of them. 48 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: It changes quick, man, it changes quick. 49 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: But you know what, also, it brings me back to 50 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: some of those truisms that we learned very very early 51 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: in scouting. And as much as we try and run 52 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: away from those things, those things kind of come back 53 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: to the forefront when we talk about time on task. 54 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: So we value quarterbacks with a lot of start, So 55 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: that'll bring in Bo Nix and Jayden Daniels and stuff. 56 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: You talk about the prototypes and the traits that you 57 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: look for, so that gives you Drake. 58 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: May in terms of what he's able to do when he. 59 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: Looks the part, and yeah, it wasn't so great at Carolina, 60 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, the traits are the traits you talk about 61 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and when we talk about superpowers and the 62 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: special things that kind of wraps him into it. There 63 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: are a lot of things that we can learn from 64 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: looking at these quarterbacks and how they succeed. And we'll 65 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: say it time and time again. Environment matters, where you go, matters, 66 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: who coaches you, matters, what they surround you with. All 67 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: of those things matter because they directly impact the performance 68 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: and the production. 69 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: Of the quarterback. 70 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: I'm also curious to see one of the names we 71 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: have not mentioned. We're talking about all these college gigs 72 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: and everything. I've never seen Cliff Kingsbury's name pop up. Yeah, 73 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 3: I mean has he put out there like yeah, I'm 74 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: good on that. I never want to Yeah, maybe has 75 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: he's done. He's an NFL guy and likes that life better. 76 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: But I'm just thinking of the continuity with these guys, 77 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: like the exciting thing to me with New England and 78 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: with Chicago both playing great. Right, Drake's playing great, Caleb's 79 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: playing really well. This is year one with this kind 80 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: of thing getting ready to launch. 81 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, they can be able to stack upon it. They 82 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: can be able to look at all the games and say, great, man, 83 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: that was algebra one, and then we can go to 84 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: algebra two and we can move on to some other 85 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: things now that we've had a full off season to reset, 86 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: clean up those things we learned from that first year, 87 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: and then here's where we need to get to in 88 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: year two. You like that, and that is the argument 89 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: that some will make for offensive minded guys, conuity on 90 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: that side of the ball when you have a young 91 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: quarterback and those things and even though those guys we 92 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: talked about are not necessarily like the head coach Ben 93 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: Johnson is, But in New England you got Josh McGain. 94 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: She's gonna be there because he's already been there. But 95 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: there is something to some of. 96 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: The kind of new the that you want on that 97 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: side of the ball. 98 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: But a man is a far arranging discussion when it 99 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: comes to head coaches, candidates and what you want as 100 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: the ultimate leader of the team. 101 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: The best combination is if you can get a head 102 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: coach who specifies on one side of the ball, and 103 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: then the other side of the ball. You get someone 104 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 3: who's had head coaching opportunities and maybe it didn't go well. 105 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: So I think of like Steve Spagnolo that has allowed 106 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs to have the same offensive voice 107 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: and Andy Reid no matter what coordinators leave, he's the 108 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: offensive voice and the same defensive voice and Spags because 109 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: people I didn't work out as a head coach, he's 110 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 3: not going to be a head coach and maybe that changes, 111 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: but that's been a long run of continuity. If you 112 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: think about Vrabel, obviously it can be that defensive side 113 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: of the ball mined in Stalwart and then McDaniels. 114 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: So it hasn't worked as a head coach. 115 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: A couple of times, you're thinking, Okay, hes probably not 116 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: going to get another shot anytime soon. So both those 117 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 3: voices are going to stay the same. And then in 118 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: Chicago you got the same thing. Dennis Allen has been 119 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: a head coach. Didn't necessarily it went okay, but I 120 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: don't know how much you got by the apples over 121 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: other one. And you got Ben Johnson running the offense. 122 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: So to me, you're like around these young quarterbacks. To 123 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: have the overall complete staff continuity that you have, man, 124 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: that's huge. 125 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: Man, I think it's really important. It was in the 126 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: same spot. 127 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you have another head coach who has 128 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: been there in Vance Jose who's been a head coach before. 129 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: He's a defense sport and we'll see if he has 130 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: another opportunity to do it. But then you have Sean Payton, 131 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: who is ultimately the play caller. But man, you can 132 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: you can keep changing the coordinator up under him, but 133 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: ultimately the guy that sets the course is Sean Payton, 134 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: and they're able to do it and do it a 135 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: ride different ways. I do like that it's gonna be 136 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: interesting when we get to the hiring cycle in terms 137 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: of what people are looking for. And let's be honest, DJ, 138 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: the names. You have some names that pop right away, 139 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: like Jesse Mentor is gonna be a guy that people 140 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: talk about. There can be some other young guys that 141 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: people talk about. But then where do you go, particularly 142 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: depending on how many jobs open up. Do you go 143 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: and get the experienced guys who are maybe on their 144 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: second or third opportunity? Is there a young guy that 145 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: you favor that can be a leader. 146 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: Of men type? 147 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: All of those things are out there and it's just 148 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: going to be such a fascinating discussion to see how 149 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: it kind of how it spins when the music ends, 150 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: who fills up the dance card? 151 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I should also mention of all those young quarterbacks Minnesota, 152 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 3: same boat Koc on the offensive side, Brian Flores on 153 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: the defensive side. Now I think between VJ Flores like 154 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: one of these defensive guys as spags like one of 155 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: these guys. 156 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: They have to get it. 157 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: If there's a number of jobs, it's been a hard 158 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: time telling me there's going to be five or six 159 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: better candidates. 160 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to get a good jobs. Yeah, because 161 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: people going to look at the evolution that they made. 162 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: And I always speak for VJ and for Flores, I 163 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: think the evolution that they've made in their respective roles 164 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: as coordinators is fascinating because both of those guys went 165 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: to that job being one way or thought of and 166 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: viewed as one type of coach. And you've see schematically 167 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: that they've been able to evolve and change and do that. 168 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: And some of that is places of influence people around 169 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: them that have kind of helped them kind of expand 170 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: their thinking, and some of that is just a natural 171 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: maturation that you continue to have as a coach in 172 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: this league. But yeah, I think both guys will have 173 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: an opportunity to offer better versions of themselves in their 174 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: new destinations. 175 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: All right, let's let's get to what we saw in 176 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: that Monday night game. Look, the score I don't even 177 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: know tells a story there. Dallas thirty three to seven 178 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: to sixteen, obviously playing with heavy hearts Marshawn Neal in 179 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: the first game since his real, real sad story with 180 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: his passing. So you had an emotional Cowboys team a 181 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: Raiders team that man, that is a flawed group, man, 182 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: And I'll give you one example, one number that'll tell 183 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: you if you didn't watch this game, Dallas had thirty 184 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: four pressures in this game. 185 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: Thirty four and. 186 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean DJ soud in the pressure because you have 187 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: to understand, anyone who knows Matty Uflus knows that he's. 188 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: Not really a high blitz guy. 189 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: But they were downing it up because it not only 190 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: created a one on one, they know they could win, 191 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: they could get home, and they would get home and flustered, 192 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: Genos went had a running all over I mean look 193 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: like a chicken with his head cut off in the backfield, 194 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: just trying to avoid the numerous cowboys that had free 195 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: shots on them for a Raiders team, And we just 196 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: talked about Pete Carroll and what he wants to do, 197 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: Like there are a lot of people that were excited 198 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: about Pete Carroll coming over on board, and I'm still 199 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: a believer in Pete Carroll and the culture builder that 200 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: he is. But right now, man, they are just not 201 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the team that we expected. And unfortunately it's not gonna 202 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: get better because the schedule is tougher for the Raiders 203 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: down the stretch. They just have not been able to 204 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: get on tracked offensively and they've been inconsistent defensively, but 205 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: offensively dj I would say the best two players that 206 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: he may have on offense after assingen the two tight ends, 207 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: and they got in twelve personnel sets. But in thinking 208 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: about twelve personnel and we've talked about thirteen and all 209 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: the value that comes out of multiple tight ends on. 210 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: The field, they just can't run the football well enough. 211 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: They don't run it. They don't even try. 212 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: I mean, they just can't get to what the formation 213 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: in the Pearl package can give you from an advantage standpoint, 214 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: because they're so bad at. 215 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: The line of scrimmage. 216 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're bad upfront, man. Not not a good ball club, 217 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: but a good win for the Dallas Cowboys. And by 218 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: the way, you know, we've had this discussion and when 219 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: we get to the draft time, hey, what's more valuable? 220 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: And EDG Dresher a defensive tackle. And for all the 221 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: grief the Cowboys took for moving on from Micah Parsons 222 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: and then turn around and trading for twenty and Williams 223 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden, you look up, they've 224 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 3: got defensive tackles. Man, they got real dudes in there. 225 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: And that's the nightmare for an offense when you're getting 226 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: that type of interior pressure. 227 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams teaming Upgazoo was in 228 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: that mix. I mean they have three athletic dominant people 229 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: that on the inside and they can disrupt everything. 230 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: And so now there's a path to rebuilding that you 231 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: can see, Like, man. 232 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: If they get an a level pass us to go 233 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: outside of those guys to one on ones, that are 234 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: going to be created because of what they have on 235 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: the interior. You saw a defense that was playing back 236 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: and I know it's the Raiders, and I know the ineptitude, 237 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: the ineptitude that comes with the Raiders offense, but I 238 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: think it if you're a Cowboys fan, you can begin 239 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: to get a little excited about what can be down 240 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: the road for what they want to do on defense. 241 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: But I want to say this because we both know 242 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: Brian Schatdenheimer. I've known him for a long time one 243 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: having played for his dad and remember when he was 244 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: around the program. 245 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say the coaching. 246 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Job that he has has had to deal with this 247 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: year speaks volumes about the character that he brings as 248 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: a head coach. And when we think about head coaches. 249 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: So much of our conversations about the X and o's 250 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: and the taxes and those things. But I'm gonna say DJ, 251 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: toughness in your head coach is underrated. Toughness mentally in 252 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: terms of being able to handle tricky situations and circumstances 253 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: and getting your team to play. First, he had to 254 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: deal with Michael Parsons. Then you have to deal with 255 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: a very unfortunate suicide with the player that just takes 256 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: an emotional toll on your team. To get his team 257 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: to play like they played, and to handle all of 258 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: that emotionally and keep it together speaks volumes about who 259 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: he is and what he can be as a head 260 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: coach in this league. And I'm going to give him 261 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: a little credit up there on the on the front 262 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: office side of things. With Will McClay running the show there, 263 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: they know who they have to get by, and that's Philly. 264 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: And as great as Micah Parsons is, like, that's a 265 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: that's not a track meet. That's a fistfight when you 266 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: play against the Philadelphia Eagles, So if you're trying to 267 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: get through them, they're kind of building it more inside 268 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: out as opposed to outside in and that's the kind 269 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: of game that you're going to find yourself in. Now, 270 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: it might be too late this year to catch that team, 271 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: but from here going forward, it sounds like you get 272 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: a coach it's got a little bit of an edge 273 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: to him. Shot, he's got an edge to him, and 274 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: you're trying to build this thing inside out. We'll see 275 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: in week twelve when they square off, so that'll be 276 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: that'll be a funnee. Yeah before indigen you're right, we've 277 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: talked about this h our journeys the scouts. We always 278 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: talked about the first tam you got to do is 279 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: you got to build your team to win a division. 280 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: And you're looking at the Philadelphia Eagles where we've we've 281 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: talked about them on numerous podcasts in terms of how 282 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: they build, how they constructed, the physicality that they bring, 283 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: the wave, and the depth of talent that they bring, 284 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: particularly on the line of scrimmage, offense and indefensely. 285 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: If you're not built their way, you have no chance. 286 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: And it's not only what they do physically, it's mentally 287 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: how they approach the game. You talked about Philly being 288 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: a bully and how they've constructed a heavyweight team well, 289 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: if your team's not like that, you don't have a shot. 290 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: And the Cowboys certainly know and so as much as 291 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: I love the glisten glamour of their offense, I do 292 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: believe the team is embodying a little more of an 293 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: edgier physical team that you have to build to be 294 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: able to deal with them when it comes to winning 295 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: the division down the line. 296 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: Yep, again, that's Week twelve, that's coming up. That's this week. 297 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: We are in Week twelve, so we'll see that matchup 298 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: on Sunday. That's a one to twenty five West Coast 299 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 3: for us to tune in, So looking forward to that. 300 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: I want to get to a couple of these games. 301 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 3: There's a couple thoughts on some of the other games 302 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: we didn't hit on from this past week, and we 303 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 3: can just kind of rip throw them buck and if 304 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: you have a thought, fire away green Bay twenty seven 305 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 3: to twenty. I know there's been some criticism here on 306 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: Jordan Love as of late, but you watch that game. 307 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: I saw drop after dropping. I had to go back 308 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: and pull the numbers or five drops in that game 309 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 3: from Green Bay. And on the other side of it, 310 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: Manny was under dress the Giants forty five point five 311 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: percent pressure rate. That was the second highest of any 312 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: team in Week eleven. So under a lot of pressure, 313 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 3: you guys aren't catching the ball. I don't know what 314 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 3: the heck you want. They got to do well, you know, 315 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: there's a lot of conversation. 316 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: They finally relented to fans request and they went and 317 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: drafted a first round receiver and it hasn't really changed 318 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: what they're doing on a perimeter in terms of the 319 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: level of dominance and who commands the attention. At some point, 320 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: the pack is going to have to get better efforts 321 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: from the pass catches on the perimeter, and I know 322 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: injuries have changed the way that they have to go 323 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: about it. 324 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 2: But we have high expectations from Jordan Love. 325 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: We should have those same expectations from the pass catches 326 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: that he's targeted, and they just have to get better, 327 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: not only doing the simple things in terms of catching 328 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: the ball when they're open, but dj they got to 329 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: win consistently when they blanket you on the outside and 330 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: they put the man to man coverage on you, like 331 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: you've got to have guys that are consistent winners. They're 332 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: not getting the consistency on the perimeter that they need 333 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 1: to be able to be successful when it comes to 334 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: the area of circus. 335 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 3: You know, there was no blood on his hands, you 336 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: know when you think about their first round pick. But man, 337 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 3: everybody else dropping the ball. He's not getting any opportunities. 338 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: I wish they would try and give him some more 339 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: chances to get down the field. But Golden hasn't really 340 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: got much. Speaking of rookie receivers, one who has excelled 341 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: is tederoat Macmillan. They beat the Caroline Panthers, beat the 342 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: Atlanta Falcons thirty twenty seven. He had a really big day. 343 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: He's up there the top ten and all these categories. Now, 344 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: Buck and I watched the tape of it. You see 345 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: him inside just kind of showing you the instincts and 346 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: awareness to be able to settle and sit in zones. Okay, 347 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: check that box. Then you get them on the outside. 348 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: You can run digs, you can run deep, deep outs. 349 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: They're able to be on the same page timing wise, 350 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: him and him and his quarterback Bryce Young seemed to 351 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: be really synced up. And then even the awareness on 352 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: a broken play, you know, and be able to adjust 353 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: when when Bryce's able to buy a little time, pretty 354 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: complete performance. And I'm not saying he's AJ Green, but 355 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: that was the hope of like what he could be. 356 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: You know what you're looking for from a player with 357 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: that frame and kind of silky smooth kind of movement, 358 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: and you squint, you could see it. You can see 359 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: some AJ green to the way he's been playing. 360 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, here here's the problem, particularly on eyeside, 361 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to the draft process. 362 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: Too much time, too many conversations on TV. 363 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: Where you're always looking to change not your opinion, but 364 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: the way that you present your opinion, and then little 365 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: things come up along the way and then you kind 366 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: of alter it. 367 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: Ted McMillan is T mac is what he's always been. 368 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: He is a jump ball specialist. 369 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: He's a guy who expands the strike zone for the 370 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: quarterback and you can see the natural number one receiver 371 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: traits that he brings to the table. 372 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: And even though Bryce. 373 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: Young has been inconsistent from the pocket, T mac has 374 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: been the guy that has going to stabilize their passing game. 375 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: And as he continues to grow. 376 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: In his development as a route runner, as a playmaker, 377 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: and as they build things designed to really give him 378 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: more opportunities he's been a dominant player on the perimeter. Now, 379 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: I'll say this because they've tried multiple time to find 380 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: someone on the other side to stock up. They need 381 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: other guys to kind of elevate that passing game. But 382 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind he is a number 383 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: one all day. I'm gonna push back on just one 384 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: thing that you said there. And I think this happens 385 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: a lot with the draft because it's what we do, 386 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: and people will say, oh, you got that wrong, you 387 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: that like, no, no, I'm not, I'm not making anything up. 388 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: Like there was times where he was not fully engaged. 389 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: There were times where I questioned some of the you know, 390 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: some of the commitment on a down in a down 391 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: out basis He's not like the most super sudden player 392 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: like that. 393 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: Those are not that's not well, we just made it up, 394 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: Like that's what that's what you saw. Like, there's all 395 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: the good stuff. There's the body control, there's the catch radius, 396 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: there's the instincts. So what happens when these guys get 397 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: to the next level, Buck they either maximize their strength 398 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: and eliminate their weakness, or they the weakness gets them 399 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: and their strengths are diminished. That's where the guess work 400 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: comes in. But I'm not always just when people say like, oh, 401 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: you guys made all this stuff up about like, I 402 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: just tell you exactly. I saw the good and there 403 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: is some little bad. That's with every single player that 404 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: comes into the draft. Now it's whether they lean into 405 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: the good and eliminate the bad. And his credit hats 406 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 3: off man, he's done it completely. 407 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: He certainly has done it. 408 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: And I wasn't trying to make it where it's one 409 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: of those things where you go back like the report 410 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: is the report, and we only can do what we know, 411 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: what we hear, what we see on a player. The 412 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: thing that we can do is we can't necessarily say, hey, 413 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: he's going to get it whatever because say, well, we 414 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: hope that he can get it if he does these things, 415 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: this is what he could be or these are the 416 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: things that could be the kryptonite that prevents him from 417 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: realizing his potential. 418 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: To his credit, he's been great there. He has been 419 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: what they needed. 420 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: He's exactly the number one that this team needed for 421 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: this quarterback. And we'll see how it continues to develop. 422 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: But look, man is funny because DJ at the twenty 423 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: twenty six class has a lot of wide receivers that 424 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: are going to fall into that first round, second round 425 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: category that we're going to have to make decisions and 426 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: determinations on when we're rejecting. 427 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: Is this guy going to be a true number one? 428 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: Are they the number two? Camp? 429 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: The wide receiver position, I believe is hard projecting from 430 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: college to pro. I think it's the most difficult one 431 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: to deal with now because there's so much subjectivity when 432 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: it comes to what teams want in a number one 433 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: and a number two receiver. 434 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's also just kind of the 435 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 3: role where you go in, Like he went into that 436 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 3: group in Carolina and he was the man from Jump Street, 437 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: Like Xavier Legett wasn't going to be that guy, so 438 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: he took over to be that number one guy, and 439 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 3: they've built a good chunk of the offense around him, 440 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 3: and he's been awesome. Abuka has been outstanding. I mean, 441 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: it could be a favorite to be the Rookie of 442 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 3: the Year if he hadn't missed any time. But he's 443 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: been dynamic, the one that they that were just they 444 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 3: got to figure out what they're doing and he's got 445 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 3: to play better and get more opportunities in Matthew Golden. 446 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: I mean, he's the one of those top three guys 447 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: that so far he. 448 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: Just hadn't got anything. 449 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: So I'm going back through my notes on him, and 450 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 3: I'm saying, Okay, he's Polish, he's got instincts, he's tough, 451 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 3: he's strong, he stays grounded to the catch, he can 452 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: break tackles, he can make you miss, you know, out 453 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 3: in space. 454 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: Look, that goes a little bit both ways. 455 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: Okay, there's areas he needs to improve and be more 456 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 3: reliable and dependable. There's also they got to figure out 457 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: a way to get the ball in his hands and 458 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 3: let him do what he does best, which is run 459 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: with it. So now it's just interesting looking at those 460 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: receivers on where they are at this point in time. 461 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: I've had conversation with scouts who say that it's like 462 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: man wide, receivers are so tough to project because even 463 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: though you have a first round grade on somebody in 464 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: the seventh round grade on another person, the transition into 465 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: the league is so unique and different for everybody, Like 466 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: coming from where you come from the system that you 467 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: played in, how they learned the play calls, all that stuff. 468 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: Can hinder the progress of someone who has first round 469 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: talent given their traits, and then you have someone else 470 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: who is a lesser later round pick who doesn't have 471 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: the traits, but they played in the system that is 472 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: better prepared than for what they're going to be asked 473 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: to do as a pro. So subjective environment really really matters, 474 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: and it's one of the things that provides the guess work, 475 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: the guessing game that we play as evaluateds. 476 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'll give you one other example, like 477 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: this is where you're always making a little bit of 478 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: that guess. Okay, are we going to get which one 479 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: of this? Which version are we going to get here? 480 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: When we took a load Nada when I was in 481 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: Baltimore and there were some plays he took off and 482 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: you know, he's a big guys, three hundred and forty 483 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: plus pounds, and some people thought, oh, they questioned it 484 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: a Diaron commitment. We're like, okay, the more we dug 485 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: and the more we learned, were like, he's playing on 486 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: special teams, playing all these snaps, like this is the 487 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 3: reason why this guy's not giving max effort on every 488 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: single play and he lean you know, that was never 489 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: an issue for him in the NFL. So you know, look, 490 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: that's you know, that's that's why you look at Tetero McMillan. 491 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: In hindsight, all the good should have diminished the concern 492 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: about maybe a loaf here or there on the backside 493 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: of routes. 494 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, I haven't seen that in any of his 495 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 2: tape thus far. No, I mean, like he's done that. 496 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: And you know, DJ, sometimes you learn from those things 497 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: and sometimes you the lessons come from the the feedback. 498 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: And so he had to hear the feedback, like he 499 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: had to hear the feedback that was talked about him 500 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: throughout the process, whether it came directly from the Panthers, 501 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: where they came from other people, where they came from 502 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: watching TV and hearing the talking heads discuss the weak 503 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: parts of his game. He had to hear that and 504 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: he had to change it because it has changed. Like 505 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: what we talked about him cruising through and not doing 506 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: all that like that was on tape. That's not a 507 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: made up assertion on them who he was. 508 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: And so he had to do that. 509 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: And that's what coaches do. Coaches provide the feedback. Hey, 510 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: here's where you are, here's where we need to get 511 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: you to. Here are the things that you need to 512 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: do to get better. Let's work on those things. There 513 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: are things where prospects can improve when they get to 514 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: the next level, and some of the feedback that is 515 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: harsh at the beginning helps him become much better players 516 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: in the end. All right, Buck, let's pause for a 517 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: second and we'll be right back. All right, let's get 518 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: back into it. Here about San Francisco Atlanta, I thought 519 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: brock Purdy was good. He was accurate, he was efficient. 520 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: Maybe the most pressure on him, considering you know how 521 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: Mac Jones played, then you expected the contract. Your backup 522 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 3: comes in and plays well. 523 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: He was great. 524 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: Cincinnati gets throttled by Pittsburgh. The one thing I had 525 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 3: on that one, just going through that was Herbig had 526 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: six pressures. He has played really, really well as a 527 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 3: young ascending pass rusher. Houston sixteen to thirteen. Danil Hunter, 528 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: I think maybe the most underappreciated great player in this league. 529 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: I mean, four more pressures for him. He's he looks 530 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: so much like Max Crowsey with what he does and 531 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 3: has all this production. I just feel like we kind 532 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: of forget about him at times. And then Miami touched 533 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 3: on this previously in our conversations, but man, just a 534 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: lot of eye candy in the run game, pen and pulled. 535 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: You see him pulling three guys missdirection. Like just kind 536 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 3: of one of those days where Mike McDaniel got in 537 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: his bag a little bit with the run game. 538 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, again in his bag and it's funny man of late, 539 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: like his back has been against the wall. People have 540 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: talked about him being on a hot seat in those things, 541 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: and he has delivered some of his best coaching the 542 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: last few weeks. They are playing hard, they haven't given 543 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: up on you can see it in the effort with 544 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: which they've been playing. And loo being knocked off a 545 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: really good team in Buffalo, they come back and get 546 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: Washington overseas. 547 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 2: That is a big win for the Miami Dolphins. 548 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: Going back to danil Hunter, I just got to tell 549 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: you DJ because I don't know if the last time 550 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: you saw him up close and personal. There are times 551 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: man like, but there are times when you know, you 552 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: go to a pro game and you forget about the 553 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: body typing that we used to do as college guys. 554 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: But then you see it and you're like, oh, man, 555 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: he looks like a groan man. He looks like a hero, figurine, 556 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: long arms, chiseled, comes off, plays hard active. You talked 557 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: about the four pressures that he had last week. I'm 558 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: talking about the four sacks that he had the week I. 559 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 2: Was there with the Jack nine sacks man. 560 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he is a dominant presence and you should 561 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: And then Nick Herbick from Wisconsin going to Pittsburgh. Mike 562 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: Tomlin talked about him a ton last year when you 563 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: had to be behind the scenes access with hard knocks, 564 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: and we talked about the league being a league full 565 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: of specialists, where you take somebody superpower and you put 566 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: him in a position where they able to utilize that superpower. 567 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: His effort and energy as a pass rusher really shows up. 568 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: And even though some would say maybe he's not a 569 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: frontline guy that can do it all the time, he 570 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: plays so hard, he's so effective getting to the court 571 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: back that the still As have found another one. I mean, 572 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: I feel like they just have a knack for finding 573 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: these guys that fit in to this game. He is 574 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: another one that's gonna be a great player for them 575 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: for a long time. Let me give you some of 576 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: the sacks. 577 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: Let me give you the sack totals first career for 578 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: Danil Hunter, going back to him first year, six, then 579 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: twelve and a half, then seven, fourteen and a half, 580 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: fourteen and a half, six, ten and a half, sixteen 581 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 3: and a half, twelve, he's already got nine through ten 582 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 3: games this year, He's got one hundred and eight point 583 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: five career sacks. Like, just put it in perspective, Jared Allen, 584 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, had one hundred and thirty six played 585 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: for a long time. 586 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: Daniel Hunter's thirty one buck. He's only thirty one years old. 587 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, DJ, you remember the big question 588 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: coming out. He didn't have production in college. He didn't 589 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: have any production like limited or whatever. But then you know, 590 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 1: like a lot of people will beat guys up, and well, 591 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: why do you guys care so much about trace and 592 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: armlint in those things? 593 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: Because if the. 594 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: Trades matched the teaching and the technique, it can come. 595 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: It can create a terror. And he has become that 596 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: in the league. It is so hard to get to 597 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: one hundred sacks as a pass rusher in this league. 598 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: The number of times that he has hit double digit 599 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: totals as an edge rusher, it just speaks to his dominance. 600 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: He is a dominant playmaker, and he should be a 601 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. 602 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: He's on the mat. I mean when you have him 603 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: and Will Anderson, I mean they have just done a 604 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: really good job. But Denil Hunter. Hats off to him 605 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: for the career that he's had. 606 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: I was just pulling up some other Hall of famers, 607 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 3: like the Marcus Ware he had one hundred and thirty 608 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: eight point five, So I think that's right with Jared Allen. 609 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 3: So he's right on the He's right on the doorstep 610 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: of being with some really really you know, elite Hall 611 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: of Fame names here with the career that he's had. 612 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: And I feel like we talk about Max Crosby all 613 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 3: the time. Miles Garrett obviously is the is the best 614 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 3: pass rusher of this current era, but he doesn't get 615 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: mentioned and probably should. 616 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: Anything else you want to get to before we get 617 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: out of here, Buck, No man, it's a fun week. 618 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: It's a fun time. Like I love doing this. 619 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: I love beginning to cast our eyes to like the 620 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: draft in those things. As we get closer to the 621 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: end of the red season, we'll do more of that. 622 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: But no, man, I just love looking at players and 623 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: looking where this league is because so much of it 624 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: is about the great players dominating and beginning to impose 625 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: it will and as we're getting into these late stages, 626 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: this is where the cream rises to the top, and 627 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: we're beginning to see that. 628 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: No question, Well, we can have the quarterbackscussion next week. 629 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 3: I'm on that's next up on my list here to 630 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: get these drafticble quarterbacks done. 631 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: So we'll get to that next week on the pod. 632 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys hang with us. We'll see you 633 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: next time right here on movisticks