WEBVTT - Eustace the Monk

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V.

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. It's been quite a while

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<v Speaker 2>since we had an episode on a pirate and also,

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<v Speaker 2>I really could have sworn that we had just a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of pirate episodes in the catalog. It feels in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind like a very frequent theme. Turns out, looking back,

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<v Speaker 2>there are not that many, relatively speaking, today's pirate and outlaw.

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<v Speaker 2>Lived in the thirteenth century and was connected to some

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<v Speaker 2>major events in British and French history, but he just

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<v Speaker 2>really doesn't have the name recognition today that someone like

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<v Speaker 2>Blackbeard or Anne Bonnie and Mary Reid, or thanks in

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<v Speaker 2>part to the TV show Our Flag Means Death Steed Bonnet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sad that show was canceled me too. This

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<v Speaker 2>is about Eustace the Monk. Sometimes it is spelled cche

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<v Speaker 2>at the end, almost as though it would be pronounced

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<v Speaker 2>to rhyme with mustache. During his lifetime, he was so

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<v Speaker 2>notorious and feared that in areas around the English Channel,

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<v Speaker 2>people would tell their kids that if they were bad,

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<v Speaker 2>Eustace the monk would come and take them away.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like the lost Crampus and Friends character. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of what we know about Eustace the Monk comes from

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<v Speaker 1>a biography by an anonymous poet from Picardy in what

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<v Speaker 1>is now France. This book was written in Old French

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<v Speaker 1>with some Picard dialect as a little more than twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred verses in rhymed couplets. There is one known

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<v Speaker 1>copy of it today, which is in the collection of

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<v Speaker 1>the National Library of France.

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<v Speaker 2>So the earliest this biography could have been written is

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<v Speaker 2>the year twelve twenty three, and it definitely existed by

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<v Speaker 2>twelve eighty four. It was probably written in the earlier

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<v Speaker 2>part of that time span, and that means the events

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<v Speaker 2>it describes were in the fairly recent past. It's possible

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<v Speaker 2>the author could have talked to people who knew Eustace

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<v Speaker 2>or lived through various events that he was connected to,

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<v Speaker 2>or the author could have had some kind of personal

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<v Speaker 2>experience with all of this. Various details in the biography

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<v Speaker 2>can be corroborated through other historical sources, including some official documents,

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<v Speaker 2>so parts of this biography probably pretty accurate. But though

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<v Speaker 2>we're calling it a biography, it's not a straightforward biography,

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<v Speaker 2>It's a medieval romance. As a genre, medieval romances are

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<v Speaker 2>known for their fantastic adventures. The most well known medieval

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<v Speaker 2>romances today are the ones that also focus more on

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<v Speaker 2>tales of heroism and chivalry and courtly love. Think of

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<v Speaker 2>all the various stories involving King Arthur and his knights.

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<v Speaker 1>For example.

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<v Speaker 2>Eustace, on the other hand, is an outlaw and a

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<v Speaker 2>pirate whose behavior can really be the opposite of chivalrous,

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<v Speaker 2>like propositioning a sergeant well disguised as a woman and

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<v Speaker 2>then loudly passing gas and blaming it on his horse's saddle.

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<v Speaker 2>Get that incident goes on for much longer than that

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<v Speaker 2>one sentence. The Romance of Eustace the Monk has some

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<v Speaker 2>parallels with the Romance of Reynard the Fox. The characters

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<v Speaker 2>in Reynard the Fox are anthropomorphized animals, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>some similarities between Eustace and the trickster character of Renard.

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<v Speaker 2>There are also some moments in the romance of Eustace

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<v Speaker 2>the Monk that are almost identical to things that happen

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<v Speaker 2>in the Romance of fuch Fitzwaren. This was another real

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<v Speaker 2>person and one of Eustace's contemporaries. It's not really clear

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<v Speaker 2>whether this overlap came from the authors of each of

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<v Speaker 2>these kind of being inspired by each or copying from

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<v Speaker 2>each other, or if the common scenes among them are

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<v Speaker 2>more like literary tropes that were just in heavy use

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<v Speaker 2>at the time and are probably in lots of other

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<v Speaker 2>stories that just haven't survived until today.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless, nearly two thirds of the Romance of Eustace the

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<v Speaker 1>Monk is focused not on the wars and the monarchs

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<v Speaker 1>and the details that can be more readily substantiated, but

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<v Speaker 1>on the period when he was living as an outlaw

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<v Speaker 1>in the forest of the Boulonnais in northern France. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a series of very dramatic sketches that involve a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of trickery and theft and disguises and narrow escapes, some

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<v Speaker 1>of which really defy reality. So this biography includes details

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<v Speaker 1>that were probably true, details that might have been true,

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<v Speaker 1>and things that were almost certainly made up for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of and entertaining stories, and sometimes it's really tough

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<v Speaker 1>to pick those apart. Eustace was definitely a real person,

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<v Speaker 1>though born around the year seventy, he was the son

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<v Speaker 1>of a minor noble named Budwin Busque or Buscit. They

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the County of Bologna, which was in northern

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<v Speaker 1>France along the coast of the English Channel. Boudoin was

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<v Speaker 1>a vassal of Renaud de de Martin, count of Bologna,

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<v Speaker 1>and since Eustace was of the nobility, he probably trained

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<v Speaker 1>as a knight, and at some point he also learned

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<v Speaker 1>to be a seafarer, although the timeline on that is

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<v Speaker 1>not really clear. According to the Romance of Eustace the Monk,

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<v Speaker 1>Eustace went to Toledo and what's now central Spain to study

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<v Speaker 1>sorcery or necromancy. The romance claims he spent an entire

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<v Speaker 1>summer and winter in an underground chamber there, studying black magic,

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<v Speaker 1>including meeting with the devil himself. A nineteenth century essay

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<v Speaker 1>by Thomas Wright, who was an antiquarian and an editor

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<v Speaker 1>of medieval literature, summed up with the Devil, allegedly foretold

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<v Speaker 1>about Eustace's later life as quote, he should live to

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<v Speaker 1>war against nobles and princes, and that he should not

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<v Speaker 1>die until he had been concerned in many commotions, after

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<v Speaker 1>which he should be killed on the sea.

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<v Speaker 2>This trip to Toledo is one of the moments in

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<v Speaker 2>the Romance of Eustace the Monk that really can't be substantiated,

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<v Speaker 2>not even just the part about talking to the devil.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not really any evidence that he went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Iberian Peninsula at all, but Toledo did have a reputation

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of Europe for being home to all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of sorcerers and magicians and underground schools of witchcraft.

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<v Speaker 2>We also don't really know where the idea of his

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<v Speaker 2>studying sorcery came from, like whether this was a rumor

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<v Speaker 2>about Eustace that was circulating during or after his lifetime,

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<v Speaker 2>or whether it was something that the author of this

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<v Speaker 2>romance included to kind of spice up the story and

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<v Speaker 2>also offer an explanation of what he was up to

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<v Speaker 2>during a gap in the timeline between when he was

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<v Speaker 2>born and the next thing we know happened, along with

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<v Speaker 2>explaining how he became such a cunning and ruthless man.

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<v Speaker 2>As an example of stuff from the biography that can't

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<v Speaker 2>really be substantiated and definitely sounds very fictional. On the

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<v Speaker 2>way back from Toledo, Eustace was traveling with some of

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<v Speaker 2>his fellow students of sorcery, and they stopped in the

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<v Speaker 2>town of Montferrand today that's Clermont Ferrand in central France.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have any local currency, so at first the

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<v Speaker 2>tavern keeper's wife refused to serve them. Then she tried

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<v Speaker 2>to charge them double because they were using foreign coins,

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<v Speaker 2>so Eustace cast a spell that made her take all

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<v Speaker 2>of her clothes off and release all of the tavern's

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<v Speaker 2>wine from the barrels. Other people in town ran up

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<v Speaker 2>to see what the commotion was about, and they started

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<v Speaker 2>taking their clothes off too. Then Eustace's party tried to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>and the townspeople gave chase. One of his traveling companions

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<v Speaker 2>was an old man, and this old man cast a

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<v Speaker 2>spell that caused a huge river to appear and divide

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<v Speaker 2>them from their pursuers, And then he cast another spell

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<v Speaker 2>that made the townspeople back on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>the river all start fighting each other. Once Eustace felt

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<v Speaker 2>like he'd gotten sufficient retribution for their earlier treatment at

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<v Speaker 2>the tavern, he threw some grain on the ground, which

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<v Speaker 2>caused everything to go back to normal, including making the

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<v Speaker 2>wine go back into the barrels.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's no backup documentation for that whole incident,

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<v Speaker 1>but sources do generally agree that Eustace became a monk.

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<v Speaker 1>He likely joined the Benedictine order at the abbey of

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<v Speaker 1>Saint sam Man near Calais, But again most of the

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<v Speaker 1>details of his time as a monk come from the

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<v Speaker 1>romance in the words of that nineteenth century essay on

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<v Speaker 1>him quote, when Eustace took on himself the religious habit,

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<v Speaker 1>he laid aside none of his former unholy practices. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole abbey was troubled by his conjurations, and he turned

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<v Speaker 1>everything upside down, caused the monks, as the story informs us,

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<v Speaker 1>to fast when they ought to have been eating, and

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<v Speaker 1>when they ought to have worn their shoes, to go barefoot,

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand errors he led them into when they ought

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<v Speaker 1>to have been gravely performing the holy services.

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<v Speaker 2>Eustace later left the monastery, and there are two different

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<v Speaker 2>accounts of why.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither of them is.

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<v Speaker 2>That the other monks got sick of him using black

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<v Speaker 2>magic to just continually disrupt their religious community. The Chronica

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<v Speaker 2>Majora by Benedictine monk Matthew Parris, was first published in

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<v Speaker 2>twelve fifty nine and it says that Eustace's father, Buduin Buscuaye,

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<v Speaker 2>died and then Eustace was the only surviving heir. His

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<v Speaker 2>father probably did die sometime around eleven ninety. His name

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<v Speaker 2>shows up as a witness in various legal documents before

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<v Speaker 2>eleven ninety, but then not afterward. Eustace could not inherit

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<v Speaker 2>that estate as long as as he was a monk,

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<v Speaker 2>so he renounced the order. If this is what happened, though,

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<v Speaker 2>if he left the order so that he could get

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<v Speaker 2>this inheritance, some of the details are wrong because Eustace

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<v Speaker 2>seems to have still had surviving brothers. There's not I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's possible. Maybe that like his mother remarried and had

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<v Speaker 2>children with somebody else, but he has brothers who show

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<v Speaker 2>up in the historical record later on.

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<v Speaker 1>The other explanation is also connected to the death of

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<v Speaker 1>Eustace's father, and that's that Eustace left the order so

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<v Speaker 1>that he could try to get revenge on the man

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<v Speaker 1>who killed him. Boudoin had some kind of dispute with

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<v Speaker 1>Hanphoi de Harris and Jin, possibly over control of a fifdom.

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<v Speaker 1>This escalated into a physical altercation in which Boudoin struck

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<v Speaker 1>Hanphoi and Hanfoix retaliated, either by killing him or by

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<v Speaker 1>arranging an ambush in which someone else killed him. Eustace

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<v Speaker 1>petitioned Renault de de Martin for justice, leading to a

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<v Speaker 1>judicial duel to settle the matter. Hanphoas's champion was another

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<v Speaker 1>man named Eustace Eustace de Marquise. Eustace the Monk's champion

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<v Speaker 1>was his cousin Monsier, who was killed in the duel,

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<v Speaker 1>making Hanphois the victor.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though Eustace's petition to Reynald de de Martine

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<v Speaker 2>did not work out in his favor, he later entered

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<v Speaker 2>the count's service. By twelve oh three, Eustace had become

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<v Speaker 2>rend Seneschal, but his time in this role did not

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<v Speaker 2>go all that smoothly. Based on what we know, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to that after a sponsor break. Eustace the

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<v Speaker 2>Monk's life up to this point, as we have told

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<v Speaker 2>it so far, has had a fair amount of silliness.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we go on, we need to set up

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<v Speaker 2>some more serious context for what was happening between England

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<v Speaker 2>and France, because that is going to be a recurring

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<v Speaker 2>part of the rest of the episode. England was being

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<v Speaker 2>ruled by the Plantagenets also known as the Angevints or

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<v Speaker 2>the House of Anjou, depending on who's describing them and

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<v Speaker 2>exactly when we are talking about, and France was being

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<v Speaker 2>ruled by the Capitian dynasty. The Plantagenets controlled most of

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<v Speaker 2>what's now England, as well as parts of Ireland and Wales,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks to various marriages and inheritances going back to

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<v Speaker 2>the later part of the twelfth century, the Plantagenets also

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<v Speaker 2>were controlling about half of what's now France, with this

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<v Speaker 2>combined territory later described as the Angevin Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>In eleven ninety nine, English King Richard the First also

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<v Speaker 1>known as Richard the Lionheart, died without a direct heir.

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<v Speaker 1>He had previously named his nephew Arthur as his successor,

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<v Speaker 1>but then changed his selection to his brother John, also

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<v Speaker 1>known as John Lackland. John had previously tried to take

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<v Speaker 1>control of England while Richard was imprisoned during the Third Crusade.

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<v Speaker 1>But Richard had a few reasons for making this switch

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of all that. One is that Arthur was

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<v Speaker 1>still a child while John was in his early thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>Another is that after some convoluted and failed attempts to

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<v Speaker 1>create an alliance between the Plantagenets and the Kapecians. Young

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur had wound up being fostered in the court of

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<v Speaker 1>Philip the Second of France. He's also called Philip Augustus.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this meant that Philip Augustus supported Arthur's claim

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<v Speaker 1>to the English throne. Among other things, an English king

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<v Speaker 1>who had been fostered in French court might pave the

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<v Speaker 1>way for the French to regain control of some of

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<v Speaker 1>that territory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeaes switcheroo was confirmed, and near the very end of

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<v Speaker 2>the of Richard the first life, after he had been

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<v Speaker 2>shot with a crossbow bolt, and that had become gangrenous,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was clear that he was dying, so to

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<v Speaker 2>get back to Eustace. While he was in the service

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<v Speaker 2>of Renaud de de Martines, Renaud was supporting Philip Augustus's

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<v Speaker 2>efforts to retake this territory in France by force. And

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know the full story of all of Eustace's service,

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<v Speaker 2>but one portion of it did not go all that

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<v Speaker 2>well for him or for Renaud. Eustace had been ordered

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<v Speaker 2>to oversee the improvement of a road that was going

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<v Speaker 2>to help strengthen communication between Bologna and Calais. This road

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be on land that belonged to Baldwin,

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<v Speaker 2>Count of Guineas, who was opposed to the whole project,

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<v Speaker 2>because this improved road was going to improve that connection,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was going to cut off some of his

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<v Speaker 2>own access routes. This led to a standoff between Eustace

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<v Speaker 2>and Baldwin, with Baldwin finally showing up with men to

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<v Speaker 2>confront Eustace's workforce. Eustace's workers fled, and while it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem like anybody was killed in this altercation, some of

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<v Speaker 2>those workers were captured, and Baldwin also seized all of

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<v Speaker 2>their tools and materials.

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<v Speaker 1>Eustace left Renault's service in twelve oh four, or perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>a little later, and according to the Romance of Eustace

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<v Speaker 1>the Monk, this traced back to his dispute with han

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<v Speaker 1>Foi de Harris engine as Seneschal. Eustace was managing Reynauld's

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<v Speaker 1>accounts and han Foix raised all kinds of suspicions that

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<v Speaker 1>Eustace was mishandling Reynauld's money. Renault eventually summoned Eustace to

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<v Speaker 1>his castle to answer these charges, but instead of answering

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<v Speaker 1>that call, Eustace fled, burning down Renauld's mills on his

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<v Speaker 1>way out. According to the romance, after this, Eustace spent

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<v Speaker 1>some time as an outlaw, hiding out in the woods

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<v Speaker 1>of Boulonnai, trying to both humiliate Renault and rob him

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<v Speaker 1>at every opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>This probably was a real dispute Eustace and Reynauld. Probably

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<v Speaker 2>we were fighting with each other, but the account of

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<v Speaker 2>it in the Romance of Eustace the Monk is very colorful.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also the longest part of the Row Romance,

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<v Speaker 2>set up at the top of the show. This part

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<v Speaker 2>of the romance has some parallels with Reynard the Fox

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<v Speaker 2>and the Romance of fu Fitzwarren, especially this part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Eustace and fuch Fitzwarren, both have their horses shoes

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<v Speaker 2>put on backward so people will think they're traveling in

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite direction based on the tracks they left. They

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<v Speaker 2>both disguise themselves as charcoal burners, that is, somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>makes and sell charcoal, and people in that role typically

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<v Speaker 2>were just covered in charcoal dust. Because of the nature

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<v Speaker 2>of the work. There are a lot of chases and escapes,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's speculation that Eustace the Monk or fuch Fitzwarren,

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<v Speaker 2>or both of them may have been inspirations for the

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<v Speaker 2>character of Robin Hood From.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to time. Eustace's exploits as an outlaw also touched

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<v Speaker 1>on the bigger political situation in France. When Philip Augustus

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<v Speaker 1>visited the region, Reynauld's men acted as his rear guard

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<v Speaker 1>and Eustace's force, not because he had any issue with

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<v Speaker 1>Philip Augustus, but because he wanted to mess things up

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<v Speaker 1>for Renaud. Renaud managed to capture Eustace after Eustace's saddle

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<v Speaker 1>slipped while he was being pursued, causing him to fall

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<v Speaker 1>off his horse. We don't know if it made a

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<v Speaker 1>farting sound or not. Some of Eustace's allies convinced Renaud

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<v Speaker 1>to send Eustace to Philip Augustus to stand trial rather

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<v Speaker 1>than just executing him himself. But those same allies came

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<v Speaker 1>to Eustace's rescue while he was being transported and got

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<v Speaker 1>him to the border of Boolinais. From there, Eustace fled

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<v Speaker 1>to England, and once he arrived, he pledged his service

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<v Speaker 1>to King John.

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<v Speaker 2>As we said earlier, we don't know exactly when Eustace

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<v Speaker 2>trained to be a seafarer, but it had happened already

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<v Speaker 2>by the time he got to England. King John put

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<v Speaker 2>him in control of a fleet of ships. There's documentation

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<v Speaker 2>of eight of them, but the Romance puts that number

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<v Speaker 2>at thirty. Eustace attacked the King's enemy and was part

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<v Speaker 2>of English efforts to retake Normandy, which England had lost

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<v Speaker 2>to France in twelve oh four. The term privateer and

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<v Speaker 2>letters of mark these things were still centuries away, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's basically what Eustace was doing. He was acting as

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<v Speaker 2>a maritime mercenary at the behest of the king. King

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<v Speaker 2>John was reportedly so impressed with Eustace that he built

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<v Speaker 2>him a palace in London as a thank you gift,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no documentation of this palace actually existing. As

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<v Speaker 2>he fought for the King, Eustace was also acting more

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<v Speaker 2>like a pirate, operating out of the Channel Islands and

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<v Speaker 2>attacking the King's allies as well. He built a stronghold

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<v Speaker 2>on the island of Sark and treated the whole island

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<v Speaker 2>as his own property. At various points, John had to

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<v Speaker 2>smooth things over with various barons and other high ranking

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<v Speaker 2>people after Eustace attacked their ships. Eventually, Eusas made so

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<v Speaker 2>many any English enemies, and any time he needed to

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<v Speaker 2>visit the King, he had to do so with a

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<v Speaker 2>letter of safe passage, and these are on record as

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<v Speaker 2>being issued in May of twelve oh six and April

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<v Speaker 2>of twelve oh seven. And Eustace reportedly made so much

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<v Speaker 2>money through piracy that he tore down that undocumented palace

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<v Speaker 2>that John had built for him and replaced it with

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger, better one, also undocumented. Unsurprisingly, Eustace's relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>King John eventually soured one John understandably got tired of

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<v Speaker 2>having to pay off or otherwise placate people who Eustace

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<v Speaker 2>and his fleet attacked or harassed. Eustace was also probably

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<v Speaker 2>tired of the King constantly getting on his case about

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<v Speaker 2>how he should stop attacking the King's allies, and then

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<v Speaker 2>in twelve twelve, the King also informed the Sheriff of

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<v Speaker 2>Nottingham that Eustace owed a debt of twenty marks and

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<v Speaker 2>that he had a deadline to pay it. When Eustace

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<v Speaker 2>failed to pay the debt by the deadline, the sheriff

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<v Speaker 2>seized all of his lands for unclear reasons, though this

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<v Speaker 2>consequence did not really stick. The king allowed Eustace to

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<v Speaker 2>start occupying those lands again, but John did also imprison

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<v Speaker 2>some of Eustace's men, possibly including one of his brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>and he took Eustace's daughter and possibly also his wife hostage.

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<v Speaker 2>We really don't know anything about his wife or children,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from scattered mentions of their existence in various documents.

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<v Speaker 2>The final straw seems to have come sometime after May

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<v Speaker 2>of twelve twelve, when Renauld did de Martesse switched sides,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving France and pledging his fealty to King John. Either

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<v Speaker 2>Eustace could not stand the idea of fighting on the

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<v Speaker 2>same side as Renaud, or Renaud worked to turn King

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<v Speaker 2>John against him. It's possible that it was more the latter,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's some indication that Eustace stayed in john service

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<v Speaker 2>until twelve fourteen, rather than leaving as soon as Renaud

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<v Speaker 2>showed up. According to the romance, when Eustace left his service,

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<v Speaker 2>King John had his daughter burned and then killed. After

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<v Speaker 2>returning to France, Eustace allied with Philip Augustus and worked

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<v Speaker 2>particularly closely with Philip's son, Prince Louis later King Louis

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<v Speaker 2>the eighth. Eustace became an admiral in the French Navy,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of his assignments was to try to retake

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<v Speaker 2>the Channel Islands from England. Control of the Channel Islands

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<v Speaker 2>went back and forth between England and France during this

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<v Speaker 2>whole period. He also fought against England's efforts to retake

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<v Speaker 2>Normandy from the French. This conflict between England and France

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<v Speaker 2>became known as the Anglo French War of twelve thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>to twelve fourteen. As it went on, England didn't manage

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<v Speaker 2>to retake its lost possessions in France, and France started

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<v Speaker 2>preparing for a direct invasion of Inga, with Eustace transporting

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<v Speaker 2>knights and siege weapons to support that planned invasion. This

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<v Speaker 2>conflict also went beyond England and France, drawing in other

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<v Speaker 2>kingdoms and the Holy Roman Empire. The last major battle

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<v Speaker 2>in this particular war between England and France was the

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<v Speaker 2>Battle of Mouvin, which ended in a French victory. The

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<v Speaker 2>French at this battle captured Renault de de Martines, and

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<v Speaker 2>he remained in prison until his death in twelve twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of about sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the Anglo French War ended with the Truce of

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<v Speaker 1>Chinol in twelve fourteen, it did not take long for

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<v Speaker 1>England and France to be at war again. More on

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<v Speaker 1>that after a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 2>The English losses in the Anglo French War fed into

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<v Speaker 2>long standing tension between the English monarch and the barons,

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<v Speaker 2>or the landowners who made up the nobility. This included

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<v Speaker 2>disputes over things like taxes and administrative issues, and those

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<v Speaker 2>questions about who Richard the First's successor should be had

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<v Speaker 2>contributed to a lack of confidence in the monarchy. John's

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<v Speaker 2>reputation as king was really not good, and after the

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<v Speaker 2>Anglo French War, the barons were also angry about the

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<v Speaker 2>loss of nearly all of England's territory in France. Same time,

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<v Speaker 2>there were also disputes between the crown and Pope Innocent

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<v Speaker 2>the Second. The Pope excommunicated King John in twelve oh nine,

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<v Speaker 2>although that was later rescinded. Efforts to resolve these issues

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<v Speaker 2>and to try to prevent a civil war in England

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately led to the creation of the Magna Carta in

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<v Speaker 2>June of twelve fifteen. The Magna Carta or Great Charter,

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<v Speaker 2>outlined the rights and freedoms of the barons and of

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<v Speaker 2>the Church, as well as outlining limits of power for

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<v Speaker 2>the monarch. Some of its clauses also outlined basic civil rights,

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<v Speaker 2>such as no freeman shall be seized, imprisoned, dispossessed, outlawed, exiled,

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<v Speaker 2>or ruined in any way, nor in any way proceeded against,

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<v Speaker 2>except by the lawful judgment of his peers and the

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<v Speaker 2>law of the land.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the four clauses of the Magna Carta

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<v Speaker 1>that are still in effect today. The Magna Carta is

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<v Speaker 1>considered to be one of the most important and influential

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<v Speaker 1>legal documents in English history, and it's one that people

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<v Speaker 1>who have studied English history in any way have probably

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<v Speaker 1>at least heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some speculation that those sieged weapons that Eustace had

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<v Speaker 2>transported on behalf of Prince Louis of France, which we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about before the break. There's speculation that those were

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<v Speaker 2>a factor in King John agreeing to the terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the Magna Carta. John was hoping to prevent the possibility

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<v Speaker 2>of the dissatisfied barons. Basically inviting the French to invade England.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing that the French already had siege weapons ready to go,

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<v Speaker 2>might have been a motivating factor for King John in this.

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<v Speaker 1>But John's attempt to prevent a civil war and a

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<v Speaker 1>French invasion did not work out. The barons didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>it was likely that the King would actually uphold the

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the Magna cartam and then Pope Innocent the

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<v Speaker 1>third declared that he didn't have to. So some of

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<v Speaker 1>these barons rose up against the king and invited Prince

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<v Speaker 1>Louis of France to invade England and try to take over,

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<v Speaker 1>and this came to be known as the First Baron's War.

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<v Speaker 1>When Prince Louis crossed the Channel on May twentieth, twelve sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>it was against the wishes of both his father and

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<v Speaker 1>the Pope. Pope actually excommunicated him over it. He also

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<v Speaker 1>crossed the Channel aboard Eustace's flagship. Meanwhile, the rebelling barons

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<v Speaker 1>in England took control of parts of the country, including

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<v Speaker 1>the Tower of London. Then King John died of dysentery

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<v Speaker 1>on October twelfth, twelve sixteen. His son Henry the Third

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<v Speaker 1>was his successor, but Henry was only nine years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Henry's regent, William Marshall, took over the defense of England,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was much more effective at it than John

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<v Speaker 1>had been. He started driving the French back, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>Louis had to return to France to regroup and to

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<v Speaker 1>get reinforcements. But as the French tried to leave England

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<v Speaker 1>via the town of Wenchelsea, they were trapped by a blockade.

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<v Speaker 1>The townspeople had sabotaged the mills there, so the French

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<v Speaker 1>had plenty of grain but no easy way to grind

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<v Speaker 1>it into something edible. They lived for a while on forage, nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>and flour that they did manage to grind themselves by hand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not totally clear whether Eustace was with Louis when

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<v Speaker 1>his army became trapped in Wenchelsea, or if Eustace managed

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<v Speaker 1>to sneak through that blackade. The sources are contradictory on

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<v Speaker 1>that detail. But Eustace eventually built a perrier, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a trebochet, to attack the blockading ships,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also built a large fortification on one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ships that was trapped in the harbor. Although the

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<v Speaker 1>English captured this fortified ship. The French were eventually relieved

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<v Speaker 1>by a force that arrived from Artois, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to get out of Winchelsea and return to France.

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<v Speaker 1>The French returned to England with still more reinforcements, but

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<v Speaker 1>faced another defeat at the Battle of Lincoln also called

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<v Speaker 1>the Battle of Lincoln Castle in May of twelve seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>But they returned yet again, this time with a plan

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<v Speaker 1>to try to sail a fleet up the River Thames

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<v Speaker 1>to London. They faced an English force commanded by Hubert

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<v Speaker 1>de Burgh at the Battle of Sandwich on August twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>This was really very early in the history of nautical

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<v Speaker 2>warfare in this part of Europe. Most ocean vessels in

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<v Speaker 2>this part of the world generally stuck very close to

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<v Speaker 2>the coasts. They carried armies that were going to fight

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<v Speaker 2>once they were on land, and so the ships would

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<v Speaker 2>try to outmaneuver or outrun one another to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the land where the fighting was going to happen. The

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<v Speaker 2>ships themselves weren't really equipped to fight other ships at sea,

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<v Speaker 2>so those huge warships armed with cannons firing broadside volleys

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<v Speaker 2>at one another those were still centuries away. Instead, sailors

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<v Speaker 2>might try to board enemy ships and take them over,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly with the support of archers or various types of weaponry,

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<v Speaker 2>but eventually the battles were always winding up on land.

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<v Speaker 2>The Battle of Sandwich was the first battle in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of Northern Europe to be fought entirely at sea.

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<v Speaker 2>The details of how this battle played out are sketchy,

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<v Speaker 2>and details from various sources are contradictory, possibly because there

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot of things happening all at once. The

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<v Speaker 2>English fleet was only about half the size of the

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<v Speaker 2>French fleet, but the French ships were heavily laden with cargo,

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<v Speaker 2>including siege weapons, knights, and horses, so they couldn't maneuver

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<v Speaker 2>very well. The French ships were also downwind of the English,

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<v Speaker 2>who came at them from behind, and this made it

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<v Speaker 2>possible for the English to throw powdered lime at the

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<v Speaker 2>French without being affected by it themselves. That lime blinded

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<v Speaker 2>the enemy sailors, so they couldn't effectively fight back or

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<v Speaker 2>control their ships. Once the English caught up to the

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<v Speaker 2>now disabled French ships, they cut down their sails, which

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<v Speaker 2>fell on and around those blinded sailors. The English force

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<v Speaker 2>also focused its attention on Eustace's flagship. Specifically, it was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the ones that was carrying siege weapons, so

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<v Speaker 2>its cargo was particularly valuable in the context of this war. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>the English hoped if they defeated this flagship, the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the French fleet would just scatter or surrender. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also an English account of the battle that puts a

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<v Speaker 2>magical spin on this, saying that Eustace had enchanted his

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<v Speaker 2>ship to be invisible to the English and so they

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<v Speaker 2>were only able to see it once he had been killed.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, focusing on Eustace worked out for the English.

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<v Speaker 2>They successfully boarded Eustace's ship, where he was found hiding

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<v Speaker 2>in the bilge or in the hold, depending on what

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<v Speaker 2>account you read, and he tried to buy his freedom,

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<v Speaker 2>but was beheaded on the spot, dying at the age

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<v Speaker 2>of about forty seven. The French effort really fell apart

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<v Speaker 2>after that. This was a pivotal moment in the history

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<v Speaker 2>of this part of Europe, in addition to its place

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<v Speaker 2>in the history of naval warfare and of British naval power.

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<v Speaker 2>The Battle of sandwhich was a decisive defeat for the French.

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<v Speaker 2>None of the English ships were lost, while sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>of eighty French ships were captured. Other ships were sunk,

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<v Speaker 2>and estimated four thousand French sailors died at the Battle

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<v Speaker 2>of Sandwich and thirty six French knights were captured. The

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<v Speaker 2>battle was over, Eustace's head was taken to Canterbury and

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<v Speaker 2>paraded around on display at the end of a lance,

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<v Speaker 2>The Romance of Eustace the Monk ends with quote no

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<v Speaker 2>man can live long who spends his days doing ill.

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<v Speaker 2>Louis also abandoned his claim to the English throne after

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<v Speaker 2>this defeat, and that defeat also effectively ended the First

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<v Speaker 2>Baron's War. The war formally ended with the Treaty of

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<v Speaker 2>Kingston Lambeth in September of twelve seventeen. There's no surviving

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<v Speaker 2>copy of this treaty, so we don't have all of

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<v Speaker 2>its language, but its terms did include that Prince Louis

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<v Speaker 2>would order Eustace's brothers to return control of the Channel

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<v Speaker 2>islands they were occupying to England. Louis also abandoned all

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<v Speaker 2>claims to the English throne under the terms of the treaty,

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<v Speaker 2>but received ten thousand marks and then the Pope later

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<v Speaker 2>lifted Louie's excommunication. Twenty fourth, when the Battle of Sandwich

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<v Speaker 2>took place, is also the feast of Saint Bartholomew, and

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<v Speaker 2>in some accounts of the battle, Saint Bartholomew appeared bolstering

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<v Speaker 2>or comforting the English force. After the battle, the people

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<v Speaker 2>of Sandwich used the spoils to build a chapel dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>to Saint Bartholomew, and houses for the poor and aged,

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<v Speaker 2>and a hospital, and it became a tradition for the

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<v Speaker 2>townspeople to quote make a solemn procession to the aforesaid

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<v Speaker 2>hospital with tapers in their hands every year on Saint Bartholomew's.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, that is Eustace the Monk. I have a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of listener mail. Bring it on.

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<v Speaker 2>This listener mail is from Janine who wrote after we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about Connie Willis in the behind the scenes of

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<v Speaker 2>our episode on the Doomsday Book, and Janine wrote, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>Holly and Tracy, I just listened to your episode on

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<v Speaker 2>Doomsday Book and Tracy's plug for Connie Willis's Doomsday Book

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<v Speaker 2>and the behind the scenes and had to comment I

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<v Speaker 2>loved Doomsday Book and all of Connie Willis's time traveling

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<v Speaker 2>historians of Oxford Books. I read Doomsday Book for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time ages ago, but I did reread it in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty during lockdown, and it was definitely something. Mostly

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<v Speaker 2>it was just a real sense of familiarity, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>one scene that stood out. There's a group of Americans

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<v Speaker 2>visiting Oxford when the city is locked down, and they

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<v Speaker 2>complain vociferously about how they need to move on with

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<v Speaker 2>their tour and this kind of lockdown would never happen

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<v Speaker 2>in America, and the main character thinks, yes, this is

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<v Speaker 2>why thirty million Americans died during the pandemic, referring to

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<v Speaker 2>a global pandemic that happens in twenty eighteen. In the books,

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<v Speaker 2>Doomsday Book was published in nineteen ninety two. Connie Willis

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<v Speaker 2>was extremely prescient and oof that one really hit home

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<v Speaker 2>in December of twenty twenty. Anyway, still an excellent book

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<v Speaker 2>and worth the reread, but it certainly is an experience

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<v Speaker 2>reading it in a post pandemic world. I have sent

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<v Speaker 2>pictures of my cats before, but I've attached to another

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<v Speaker 2>couple as pet tacks because they remain extremely cute. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the two of them cuddling together, and also my friendliest

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<v Speaker 2>cat on her favorite perch, my shoulder. Thanks for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Love catching up when I'm doing chores around the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for this email, Jeanine. Like I said in

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<v Speaker 2>that behind the scenes, it's been so long since I

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<v Speaker 2>read Doomsday book, I did not remember that detail.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have read all of the books.

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<v Speaker 2>In that series, but it's possible that there's one that

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<v Speaker 2>was written after I had read the others that I

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<v Speaker 2>did not pick up.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Something I heard about at one point and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I should I should get that, and then have not

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<v Speaker 2>done it. These cat pictures, let's.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.479
<v Speaker 1>Look Katie's keys.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. We have a like a black cat

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<v Speaker 2>and a kind of orange just tabby cat, and they

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>are curled up together so cute. One is basically on

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<v Speaker 2>top of the other. Sometimes mine will do this, but

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes something that has started happening at my house is

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<v Speaker 2>Opel will be asleep in the old office chair that

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get rid of because it's the cat's chair now,

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<v Speaker 2>and on ex will decide she wants to be up there,

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<v Speaker 2>and she'll just basically go ahead and jump on up

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<v Speaker 2>directly on top of her sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And sometimes they work it out and they curl

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<v Speaker 2>up together and it's incredibly cute. But yesterday when this happened,

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<v Speaker 2>ople was like, Nope, I'm not doing this today. She

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<v Speaker 2>got down and went somewhere else. A cat perched on

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<v Speaker 2>a shoulder. I love this. This is something that happens

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<v Speaker 2>at my house often. If I let a cat into

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom while I'm brushing my teeth and I bend

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 2>over to spit out the toothpaste, kitty Kat will take

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>that opportunity to jump directly onto my back. Anyway, thank

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 2>you for these adorable pictures and this email about Connie

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.759
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