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Speaker 3: Good morning, Welcome to Breaking Points. I almost shouted like

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Speaker 3: Chris Sager or Crystal Crystal was shouting earlier this morning

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Speaker 3: when she was testing her sound.

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Speaker 4: But I think we have it down, Crystal, we're.

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Speaker 5: King of kicks this morning. Apparently.

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Speaker 2: There's really interesting things though that we have to get to,

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Speaker 2: including some of the most eyebrow raising comments I think

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Speaker 2: I've ever heard from President Trump, which is kind of

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Speaker 2: saying a lot this with regard to the falling out

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Speaker 2: that he had with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 4: So we'll get to that Yeah, he keeps talking lots

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Speaker 4: of new clips.

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Speaker 3: He was on Air Force one coming back from Scotland

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Speaker 3: yesterday fielding questions from reporters about Jeffrey Epstein and was

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Speaker 3: actually revealing some new information. So Glenn Maxwell also in

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Speaker 3: a different prison now a minimum security prison, so we.

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Speaker 5: How nice for her?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not bad.

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Speaker 3: So we have all kinds of stuff to get to

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Speaker 3: and Crystal on Epstein.

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Speaker 4: Nick Bryant is joining us, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Nick Bryan is the journalist who exposed Epstein's

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Speaker 2: Black Book back and I believe twenty fifteen actually more

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Speaker 2: information than was given in those infamous binders by Pam Bondi.

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Speaker 2: He is probably the journalist who is single handedly exposed

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Speaker 2: the most information about Epstein any potential associations with him.

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Speaker 2: So really looking forward to speaking with him and you know,

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Speaker 2: learning what we can about the way that he operated

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Speaker 2: and who else may be implicated. We also have some

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Speaker 2: new comments from Trump with regard to Palestinians starving, and

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Speaker 2: some interesting media comments to get to with regard to

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Speaker 2: Israel as well. John Stewart speaking out. We had the

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Speaker 2: pod Save Bros. Going pretty hard. We've got some pretty

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Speaker 2: dire polling. If you're you know Benjamin Nettnia who with

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Speaker 2: regard to that all the American public feels about all

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Speaker 2: of this, and some other interesting elements to get you

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Speaker 2: there as well. We've got Pete Bootagic completely sort of

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Speaker 2: missing the vote on what it was that was appealing

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Speaker 2: about Zoron, Mom Donnie in a way that is very

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Speaker 2: revealing about Pete and his aspirations himself. And a bunch

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Speaker 2: of polling info coming out of there that just shows

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Speaker 2: Zoron absolutely dominating the competition with virtually every demographic group,

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Speaker 2: including Jewish voters in New York. So we can put

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Speaker 2: to bed this idea that you know, oh, Jewish people

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Speaker 2: don't trust him and he's going to make them unsafe,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Clearly Jewish New Yorkers by and large

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Speaker 2: do not agree. Also, great guests that you identified, Emily

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Speaker 2: excited to talk to Peter Ryan about how he went

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Speaker 2: a great piece for Compact mag that's obviously very relevant

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Speaker 2: because we just had the passage of the Genius Act

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Speaker 2: in Emily and Arrows are going to take some time

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Speaker 2: we'll have a little, a little friendly debate on that one.

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Speaker 4: I think Crystal demanded it, so just so everybody's.

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Speaker 5: Aware that's true.

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Speaker 3: Yes, But the last twenty four hours we got to

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Speaker 2: you can hold these politicians feet to the fire and

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Speaker 2: good way to get people to pay attention to what

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Speaker 2: the future next time you people sit down with someone

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Speaker 3: Knoth boys out here and taking strays. We're not even

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Speaker 5: That's right, How are you steiny?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's dive into the news yesterday from Air

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Speaker 3: Force One, where Donald Trump was fielding questions about his

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Speaker 3: relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and made one particular comment that

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Speaker 3: we are going to just camp out on for a

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Speaker 3: second because it's quite relevant. This is a one Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump talking about the mar Lagos baw.

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Speaker 6: Everyone knows the people that were taking and the concept

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Speaker 6: of taking people that work for me is bad. But

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Speaker 6: that stewer has been pretty well out there and the

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Speaker 6: answer is yes, they were. Yeah in the spa. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: people that work in the Spa. I have a great spat,

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Speaker 6: one of the best spas in the world. At mar

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Speaker 6: Laca and people were taken out of the SPA hired

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Speaker 6: by him, in other words, gone, and other people would

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Speaker 6: come and complain, this guy is taking people from the SPA.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know that. And then when I heard about it,

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Speaker 6: I told him, I said, listen, we don't want you

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Speaker 6: taking our people, whether it was SPA or not SPA,

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Speaker 6: I don't want him taking people.

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Speaker 7: And he was fine.

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Speaker 6: And then not too long after that he did it again,

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Speaker 6: and I said, out of here.

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Speaker 2: Stolen you know, persons that include from Virginia Jeffrey.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I think she worked at the SPA.

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Speaker 6: I think so. I think that was one of the

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Speaker 6: no complaints about us, as you know, none whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what you just heard Trump say there is

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Speaker 3: Epstein was stealing employees from the mar A Lago SPA,

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Speaker 3: which she also very cleverly got an advertisement in for.

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Speaker 3: During this question Crystal, he said best spaw in the world.

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Speaker 3: So that's the new contention from Trump about their relationship,

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Speaker 3: or that's the current contention from Trump about their relationship

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Speaker 3: falling apart, is that Epstein was plucking people from mar

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Speaker 3: A Lago and hiring them. Trump was asked there about

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Speaker 3: Virginia Jeffrey, obviously one of the most high profile Epstein

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Speaker 3: accusers who recently passed and Crystal. Let's just take a

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Speaker 3: look at this clip of Jeffrey talking about her experience

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Speaker 3: in the mar A Lago spa.

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Speaker 8: This day two, I'm working at mar A Lago, loving it.

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Speaker 8: I'm working in the spa area. I was reading about

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Speaker 8: anatomy and massage, and that's when Geelynn came up to

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Speaker 8: me and said, oh my god, you're reading a book

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Speaker 8: about massage, and you know, long story short. She told

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Speaker 8: me that she knew of a man who was looking

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Speaker 8: for a traveling massuse and if he liked me, then

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Speaker 8: I would get educated and I would become a real

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Speaker 8: massage therapist. So yeah, I mean, it was a dream

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Speaker 8: of a lifetime until I got there and the abuse

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Speaker 8: was immediate.

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Speaker 9: It has been reported that they would pray on young

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Speaker 8: She could smell the vulnerability on a person. I told

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Speaker 8: him a little bit about my past and how I'd

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Speaker 8: been abused, so immediately it was like the Cheshire smile

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Speaker 8: is what I call it. And I asked her, I said,

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Speaker 8: why are you having all these girls come in and

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Speaker 8: sleep with your boyfriend? And she was like, so I

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Speaker 8: don't have to do it all the time, you know.

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Speaker 4: So she made like a joke.

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Speaker 8: She did it because she loves the control over people.

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Speaker 8: Jeffrey was a sick pedophile, but she was the mastermind.

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Speaker 3: So that's Jeffrey on CBS this Morning with Gil King

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Speaker 3: talking about how Glene Maxwell recruited her while she was

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Speaker 3: Trump is basically saying, yes, that she worked at Marlogo.

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epsin took her from mar A Lago and one

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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, I mean, in his words, he said he

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Speaker 2: But it raises a lot of questions about it's what

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Speaker 2: know about what was going on here? Because you have,

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Speaker 2: that's the reason for their falling out.

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Speaker 5: If that's true or not, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: The other possibilities are that have been floated as oh,

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Speaker 5: That's why that's like the.

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Speaker 2: Most favorable interpretation for Trump. Epstein has claimed, apparently according

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Speaker 2: to Michael Wolfe, that it was over a real estate

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Speaker 2: trans Epstein claims he was the one actually that broke

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Speaker 2: off relationship with Trump because he realized Trump was a

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Speaker 2: crook over this real estate transaction. But you know, it

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Speaker 2: seems like a pretty stunning admission that he knew that

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Speaker 2: Virginia Giuffrey had essentially been again in his words, stolen

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Speaker 2: from mar A Lago by Jeffrey Epstein. And given what

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Speaker 2: we know about how close their relationship was, it's just

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Speaker 2: very difficult to imagine that he didn't know some of

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Speaker 3: It's really wild when you're addressing a sex trafficking story

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Speaker 3: to use the language of stole. Yeah, that's a completely

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Speaker 3: crazy thing to do, like insensitive, just first of all.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, obviously we're talking about Donald Trump, but

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Speaker 3: it's even for him, it just seems so bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Crystal, Yeah, it does. And it also calls to mind.

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Speaker 2: You know, another story from Epstein. Victim who claimed that

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's I think it's very I

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Speaker 2: think it's very interesting, important and relevant the shift among

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Speaker 2: young voters. And then we're going to talk later in

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Speaker 2: the show about how enthusiastic young voters are about Zoron

442
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Speaker 2: and young men in particular. He's winning young men in

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Speaker 2: these polls by like he's getting like eighty five percent

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Speaker 2: of young men in New York City. So again, it

445
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Speaker 2: just shows you the anti establishment, the desire for change,

446
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Speaker 2: for true change, and the desire for you know, true

447
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Speaker 2: sort of anti establishment politics among a younger generation that

448
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Speaker 2: is being shut out of, you know, sort of normal

449
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Speaker 2: trajectories to basic prosperity in this current status quo.

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Speaker 3: Well in New York City is obviously also one of

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Speaker 3: the places that Republicans are really excited to see a

452
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Speaker 3: change among anti establishment younger voters, voters from different minority groups.

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Speaker 3: And now I bet there are some Trump Zoron voters.

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Speaker 3: In fact that actually when we talked to zoron In

455
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Speaker 3: at this point, it was November, so I think it

456
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Speaker 3: was later in November, early December. He had just been

457
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Speaker 3: out on the streets talking like AOC had done after

458
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Speaker 3: the election, to people who voted for Trump who may

459
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Speaker 3: be up for grabs for him. And I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's crazy to imagine that he snatched some of them

461
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Speaker 3: crystal at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, not at all.

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Speaker 2: And I have to say, and this does obviously connect

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Speaker 2: to Epstein. You know, Israel is becoming a real lightning,

465
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Speaker 2: broad sort of litmus test among these types of voters,

466
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Speaker 2: because it stands in for are you an independent person,

467
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Speaker 2: do you have principles? Are you willing to go up

468
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Speaker 2: against entrenched interest? And so if you're towing the APAC

469
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Speaker 2: line on Israel, you are automatically going to be greeted

470
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Speaker 2: with skepticism from the vast majority of young, unaffiliated voters.

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, I think we see that it's

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Speaker 2: certainly in the democratic part, but we really see that

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Speaker 2: becoming an important signaling and dividing line within the American

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Speaker 2: electorate in a way that I think politicians haven't wrapped

475
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Speaker 2: their head around because if you ask people what's your

476
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Speaker 2: number one issue, very few people are going to say

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Speaker 2: Israel Palestine. But I think it's become this sort of

478
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Speaker 2: like litmus test gatekeeping issue where if you can't get

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Speaker 2: past that hurdle of showings you have some level of

480
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Speaker 2: independence principle and just like basic morality, then people are

481
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Speaker 2: not really going to hear you on whatever is the

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Speaker 2: rest of what you're trying to sell them.

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Speaker 3: You know, the way you just put that, I think

484
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Speaker 3: applies almost exactly to Epstein, because it's like it is

485
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Speaker 3: a litmus test question for people who followed it closely,

486
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Speaker 3: which are which is in a lot of cases like

487
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Speaker 3: the Younger Cohort, because you know a lot of these

488
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Speaker 3: these documentaries, I mean, everybody cares about this, but nobody's

489
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Speaker 3: going to say that it's their top issue that they're

490
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Speaker 3: voting on, just like you mentioned Crystal in that case.

491
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Speaker 3: But it is sort of a key vibe litmus test

492
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Speaker 3: if you're being and this is it may sound ridiculous

493
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Speaker 3: to people like us who are are cynical, but it

494
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Speaker 3: is that type of test as to whether you are

495
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Speaker 3: being authentic, whether you're being genuine. If you can't come

496
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Speaker 3: to the table and open up about Epstein. And this

497
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Speaker 3: was I think for Cash Battala and Dan Bongino and

498
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Speaker 3: others on the right who are now having to face

499
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Speaker 3: what the administration is actually doing. Even Pambondi, they understood

500
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Speaker 3: that looking like you cared about the Epstein case, and

501
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Speaker 3: by the way, I think they did until they got

502
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Speaker 3: into government. I don't know about pan Bondi, but I

503
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Speaker 3: think Dan Bongino and Cash Bertel, you know, they were

504
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Speaker 3: ready to expose the deep state and went into the

505
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Speaker 3: deep state and realized that that's a little bit harder

506
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Speaker 3: than it seems because some of your own people are

507
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Speaker 3: going to be implicated, There's no question about it. And

508
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Speaker 3: they sort of understood that because it's a litmus test,

509
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Speaker 3: you can get out ahead of it and pass with

510
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Speaker 3: flying collars by saying I'm like getting to the bottom

511
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Speaker 3: of this.

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Speaker 4: And then for that to.

513
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Speaker 3: Be kind of baked into the anti establishment cake, which

514
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: the Epstein case absolutely was, and to fail the litmus test,

515
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Speaker 3: it's just I think it's devastating too.

516
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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying this in a goofy way.

517
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Speaker 3: I think it's devastating to the vibes like it's devastating

518
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Speaker 3: to the cultural momentum that Republicans thought that they had,

519
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: and again, like cynically, I think both of us would

520
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: have predicted that was never going to actually last. But

521
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Speaker 3: you know, you are going to see I think you

522
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Speaker 3: are going to see some information be released from the

523
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Speaker 3: Trump administration that is described as or framed as revelatory

524
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Speaker 3: and framed as solving the case and you know, revealing

525
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Speaker 3: new details and being transparent in the name of full

526
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Speaker 3: disclosure and all of that. But at this point, Chris,

527
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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear there's no benefit of the debt,

528
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Speaker 3: there's no benefit of the doubt whatsoever. This is not

529
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Speaker 3: going to be You can't trust that any of it's complete.

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Speaker 4: They've lost it. It started with the binders.

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Speaker 3: Now there's the video, there's the flip flops, and we're

532
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Speaker 3: going to get to the video actually with Nick Bryant

533
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Speaker 3: as well, because there's new details on that front.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just really quickly, last thing before we get

535
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Speaker 2: to Nick, just to clearly draw out the connection I

536
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Speaker 2: was claiming between you know, the issue of Israel and

537
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Speaker 2: issue of Epstein. People are noticing that in the influencer world,

538
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Speaker 2: the people who are most in the like nothing to

539
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Speaker 2: see here.

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Speaker 5: Let's move on.

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Speaker 2: Camp are also some of the biggest Israel defenders, and

542
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Speaker 2: obviously of the Epstein Masad connection, So they are related,

543
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Speaker 2: they are linked issues, and so I don't think it's

544
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Speaker 2: a surprise that in you know, anti establishment circles, which

545
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Speaker 2: is brodswath of American society at this point, that these

546
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Speaker 2: two things are connected, and both of them serve as

547
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Speaker 2: these sort of litmus tests of whether you are honest, truthful, principled,

548
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Speaker 2: you know, and not captured by entrenched interests that are

549
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Speaker 2: going to keep you from truly, you know, serving people

550
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Speaker 2: and doing what you claim that you're there to do well.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's the other way around as well,

552
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Speaker 3: in that some of the staunchest defenders of Israel have said, Okay,

553
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Speaker 3: the people asking questions about Jeffrey Epstein are also the

554
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Speaker 3: staunchers opponents of Israel, So I no longer care about

555
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: the Epstein case or this is all sort of the

556
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: Epstein case is just smoking mirrors, which is also a

557
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: really unfortunate situation for everybody who cares about getting to

558
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: the bottom of this case and understanding exactly I mean,

559
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: first of all, getting justice for the victims and understanding

560
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: the way that our government and our foreign policy actually works.

561
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, all right.

562
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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and bring in Nick Bryant now to

563
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: help us break down the story further. Well, Crystal and

564
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Speaker 3: I are pleased now to be joined by Nick Bryant,

565
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Speaker 3: author activist. You can head over to Epstein Justice dot

566
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Speaker 3: com to find information on Nick's nonprofit. You can buy

567
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Speaker 3: his books as well. There'll be links in the descriptions. Nick,

568
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 7: It's great to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Can you actually start just by telling us about Epstein Justice,

571
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Speaker 3: the nonprofit that you run, and all of the work

572
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Speaker 3: that you guys are doing.

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Speaker 10: I wrote a book about a child trafficking network I

574
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Speaker 10: started researching in two thousand and two, two thousand and three,

575
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 10: and it was Ebstein before there was Ebstein, and publishers

576
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 10: and editors really didn't want to contend with it. I

577
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Speaker 10: would pitch them, and then I could see the cognitive

578
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Speaker 10: dissonance playing out right before me. They would think to themselves,

579
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Speaker 10: this is a really horrible story. I need to help

580
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Speaker 10: Nick Bryant, or I can just write Nick briand off

581
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Speaker 10: as crazy and have a nice.

582
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Speaker 7: Meal with my family tonight.

583
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Speaker 10: So I worked seven years on that book, and I

584
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Speaker 10: went as deep into that type of a realm as

585
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Speaker 10: someone can go. I mean, I talked to blackmail photographers

586
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Speaker 10: and other people that generally wouldn't give interviews. And I

587
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 10: couldn't get the book published in York City where I live.

588
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Speaker 10: I live in the mecca of publishing, about four blocks

589
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Speaker 10: away from Times Square. I live in the heart of

590
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Speaker 10: the insanity. But I could not get the book published here.

591
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Speaker 10: So I finally got published by a small press on

592
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Speaker 10: the West Coast in two thousand and nine two thousand

593
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Speaker 10: and ten, And in the interim I had become an

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Speaker 10: activist regarding anti child trafficking. I've spoken at a lot

595
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Speaker 10: of conferences. The National Saran Sexual Exploitation has an international

596
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Speaker 10: summit every year, and I've spoken at three of those,

597
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Speaker 10: and I've spoken at a lot of conference. I've really

598
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Speaker 10: got involved in this particular subject. And then I was

599
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Speaker 10: reading about someone named Jeffrey Epstein in twenty eleven, and

600
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Speaker 10: he seemed to have an insatiable appetite to molest underage girls.

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Speaker 10: But then I also saw that a grand jury had

602
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Speaker 10: said that he hadn't blessed a single child, and that

603
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Speaker 10: was the exact same thing with the book that I wrote.

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Speaker 10: There were two very corrupt grand juries that said not

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Speaker 10: a single tan was molested, like the grand jury that

606
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 10: looked into Jeffrey Epstein said that not a single child

607
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Speaker 10: was molested. And I don't know if your audience is

608
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Speaker 10: familiar with how grand jury's work, but a special prosecutors

609
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Speaker 10: chosen to oversee a grand jury, and grandeurs are just

610
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Speaker 10: citizens that have shown up for jury duty, have been

611
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Speaker 10: found to a grand jury, and the special prosecutor is

612
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Speaker 10: solely responsible for calling the witnesses and showing the grandeurs

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Speaker 10: exhibits and of evidence. And there was a New York

614
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Speaker 10: Supreme Court judge that said grandeurs have so much or

615
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Speaker 10: special prosecutors have grandeur. Special prosecutors have so much power

616
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Speaker 10: over grandeurs that they could get them to indict a

617
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Speaker 10: ham sandwich. So I saw that a ham sandwich was

618
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Speaker 10: indicted in Florida, and then I went down there and

619
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Speaker 10: ultimately went down there in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: And so before the infamous influencer Binder moment from Pan

621
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Speaker 2: Bondy where they claimed, oh, this is the Epstein Files,

622
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Speaker 2: Phase one, and they claimed to be releasing all of

623
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Speaker 2: this new information you actually had published even more of

624
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Speaker 2: that information. You were the first person to put out

625
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Speaker 2: the Epstein Black Book. In fact, I think it's fair

626
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Speaker 2: to say that you are the person journalists or non journalist,

627
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: government agency, or anyone on the planet who is exposed

628
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Speaker 2: the most information about Jeffrey Epstein. So can you take

629
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Speaker 2: us back and talk to us about his black Book,

630
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Speaker 2: what it contained, and what you take to be the

631
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Speaker 2: import of that and what it exposes about the way

632
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Speaker 2: that he operated.

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Speaker 10: Well, actually, I was the first guy to publish the

634
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Speaker 10: flight logs too, And when I was in Florida twenty

635
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Speaker 10: twelve investigating this, I do my thing. I was knocking

636
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 10: on doors, talking to people, making calls, and then I

637
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 10: had a fratuitous experience where I was able to acquire

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Speaker 10: the Black Book. And how the Black Book came into

639
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Speaker 10: being as far as me being able to access.

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Speaker 7: It, Alfredo Rodriguez, Jeffrey.

641
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Speaker 10: Epstein's house manager, stole it and he was trying to

642
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Speaker 10: sell it to one of the attorneys that were representing

643
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Speaker 10: Epstein victims, and he was trying to sell it for

644
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Speaker 10: fifty thousand dollars and he called it the Grail.

645
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Speaker 7: And the attorney called the FBI.

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Speaker 10: The FBI did a sting and then attorneys for ultimately

647
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Speaker 10: got the Black or attorneys for the victimsulton he got

648
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Speaker 10: the Black Book, and that's how I got it. But

649
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Speaker 10: I can remember the day that I got it. I

650
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Speaker 10: was staying near Naples and most of my beat at

651
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Speaker 10: that point was Fort lauerd Do Miami. So I woke

652
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Speaker 10: up early early one morning. Lawyers like generally like to

653
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Speaker 10: have meetings early in the morning, so I wasn't on

654
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Speaker 10: too much sleep, and I drove there and then he

655
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Speaker 10: handed me the Black Book, and I just went like oh.

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Speaker 10: And then I went to a Dunkin Donuts and had

657
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Speaker 10: a couple of cups of coffee and looked through it

658
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 10: all and I was really stunned. But what was really

659
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 10: edifying to me, and I think that this is I

660
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Speaker 10: might have been the first journalist to know this is

661
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 10: there's well over a hundred victims in the Black Book,

662
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 10: well over one hundred victims. And I started calling them

663
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 10: and most of them did not want to talk to me,

664
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Speaker 10: which I understand. I've taken on this topic before and

665
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 10: a lot of victims just don't want to talk because

666
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 10: they've been so badly burned. But I did talk to

667
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 10: a few of them, and they talked about being flown around,

668
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 10: and they talked about an island. And at that point

669
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Speaker 10: I realized that Epstein was writing a nationwide pedophone network

670
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Speaker 10: and that he had an island where he would fly girls.

671
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Speaker 10: And I came back to New York City in twenty twelve,

672
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 10: and again editors and publishers really weren't enthusiastic about that information.

673
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Speaker 3: And in your experience, I mean there's that famous video

674
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: I think that Project Baritos got of Amy Roeboch back

675
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: in the day saying they killed her.

676
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: Her Epstein story.

677
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 7: She had it all.

678
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Speaker 3: In your experience, Nick, why what obstacles have you noticed?

679
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone has a million theories on this, but

680
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: what do people tell you? What did people tell you

681
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 3: back then when you were trying to get this information out?

682
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 10: They provided a number of disingenuous responses, like it was

683
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 10: too old.

684
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Speaker 7: I mean one editor told me it was too old.

685
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 7: Like a month later they published an article on the

686
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Speaker 7: Revolutionary War.

687
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 10: So obviously, but they just didn't want to touch it.

688
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 10: It was radioactive, and because I was the fond head

689
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 10: of it, they looked upon me as radioactive. And if

690
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 10: you look at how the media has covered Ebstein. They've

691
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 10: been pretty good at the ing upsillacious dirt on Jeffrey

692
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 10: Epstein and as co conspirators. But I'm not aware of

693
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 10: one major media outlet that is called for justice because

694
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 10: so many little girls were molested by the machine that

695
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 10: Jeffrey Epstein had Glenn Maxwell built.

696
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 7: And why don't we have outrage in the media.

697
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 10: I mean, why don't we have people in the media

698
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 10: demanding that there'd be a congressional investigation.

699
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Speaker 7: I just think that that's bizarre.

700
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put a seven up on the screen. This

701
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Speaker 2: is excuse me. With regard to this video that was released.

702
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: You know, when the Department of Justice under Trump puts

703
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: out this two page memo saying nothing to see here,

704
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: case closed, Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, and they put out

705
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Speaker 2: this video that purported to show Jeffrey Epstein's cell that

706
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: they claimed was completely unaltered. Well, it turned out there

707
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: was at least one minute that was missing from the video.

708
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: Pam Bondi gave an explanation of oh, well, it's just

709
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 2: like that, it always resets. At that time, CBS dug

710
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: in and they found a number of instances where the

711
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: video appeared to have been altered and edited, and they

712
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: also had a source that told them that's not true,

713
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: that there was this minute originally missing, you know, and

714
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: that there's some weird reset every night that leads to

715
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: this minute being missing. So curious your reflections on the

716
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: way that this Trump administration has behaved, and you know

717
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: what you make of the the extraordinary moves of Oh,

718
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: we're going to release the files, and here's these binders

719
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: that expose nothing new, and the client list is on

720
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: our desk. Pam Bondi says, we're reviewing hundreds of thousands

721
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: of hours of footage and that's why it's taking so long.

722
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: To all of a sudden, there's nothing to see here.

723
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: We're closing the case. Here's a video. Everyone shut up.

724
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: And now Trump is saying, well, there are files, and

725
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: my name may be in them, but it was put

726
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: in them by you know, Hillary Clinton, or Brennan or

727
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: Komy or some other of my adversaries. How are you

728
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: making sense of all of this?

729
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 10: Well, let me address the prison. The Bureau of Prisons

730
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 10: took an unbelievable amount of heat. In twenty nineteen one,

731
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 10: Jeffrey Epstein apparently killed himself, and if.

732
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Speaker 7: The Bureau of Prisons could.

733
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 10: Have exonerated themselves with any kind of cogent footage, they

734
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 10: would have done it in a heartbeat, but they didn't.

735
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 10: And then all of a sudden, this footage just magically appears.

736
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 7: And what's interesting is.

737
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 10: Dan Bongino, the number two guy at the FBI, had

738
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 10: a podcast where he was continually questioning Epstein's whether Epstein

739
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 10: committed suicide or whether he was murdered, and then he

740
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 10: gets behind this ridiculous footage, I mean, I mean really

741
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 10: really ridiculous footage and thinks, yeah, Jeffery Epstein murdered himself.

742
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 7: I've got no doubts now. It's amazing what happens.

743
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 10: To people once they get a little power and they

744
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 10: get into office. And I don't know why he's done

745
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 10: a one eighty on that. There's various explanations for it,

746
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 10: but he's definitely done a one eighty. And with the

747
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 10: Bondie Tobacco, I can kind of walk you through it.

748
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 10: On February twenty six, Bondi was on Fox and she said.

749
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 7: I'm going to release the Epstein files.

750
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 10: Everything that you will ever need to know will be released.

751
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 10: And then a few days later, she released some files

752
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 10: and it was essentially a nothing sandwich. And then she

753
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 10: declared that she'd been bamboozled by the FBI's New York

754
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Speaker 10: Field office.

755
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 5: I forgot about that part. Yeah, so we can.

756
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 10: We can say that she was either lying on national

757
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 10: television or she was in net And I'm a charitable person,

758
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 10: so I'll just call her a nept at least least

759
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 10: at this point, That's what I was thinking. And then

760
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 10: she further tarnished her credibility by saying that yes, there

761
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 10: was tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children,

762
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 10: are child born, there are hundreds of victims. But then

763
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 10: she said, and this.

764
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 7: Kind of amazes me.

765
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Speaker 10: She said that the FBI was looking through it for

766
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 10: the first time. And when Epstein got arrested in July

767
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 10: of twenty nineteen, the very next morning, the very next morning,

768
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Speaker 10: the FBI drove through a safe. Now safe was the

769
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 10: size of a closet, and his safe held many many discs.

770
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Speaker 10: There was a lot of child abuse material, and Business

771
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 10: Insider report New York Times reporter that there was a

772
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 10: lot of disks and a lot of child abuse material,

773
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 10: and Business Insider reported that there were two that there

774
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 10: were hard drives too, So the FBI and whatever dark,

775
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 10: malignant corner of the government that deploys people like Epstein,

776
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 10: they were looking at that stuff that day. So for

777
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 10: BONDI to come out and say that the Epstein safe

778
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 10: was opened up and it hadn't been looked at for

779
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 10: six years, that was kind of her crescendo of mendacity.

780
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Speaker 7: I mean, you really.

781
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 10: I mean, because I followed this case so closely, I've

782
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 10: been able to kind of see these lies in real time.

783
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 10: But yeah, she really got herself into a hole. And uh,

784
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 10: and then the Trump administration continued to get itself in

785
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 10: a hole when they said it was a conspiracy by

786
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 10: the Democrats, Well what happened was it was actually a

787
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 10: conspiracy started by the Republicans. Jeff Every Epstein got his

788
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 10: sweetheart deal in two thousand and seven, and he got

789
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Speaker 10: it via the Department of Justice.

790
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Speaker 7: The Southern District, Florida.

791
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 10: Alexander Acosta was the US attorney and he was going

792
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 10: to panel like Grand Jurie to look into the allegations

793
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 10: about Jeffrey Epstein. And actually they had a list of

794
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 10: thirty four victims. I had that list, but they knew

795
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 10: of forty underage victims, and what happened there was a

796
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 10: major travesty of justice. So Alexander Acosta vowed that he

797
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 10: was going to exact justice, and then what happened. The

798
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 10: Department of Justice then went radio silent, and then they

799
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 10: started negotiating with Epstein's attorneys in clandestinely.

800
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 7: I have some of their emails, and then.

801
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 10: They cooked up a deal that was so dirty they

802
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 10: didn't want anybody to look at it. And I've got

803
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 10: an email between Epstein lawyer Jay Lefgowitz and US Assistant

804
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 10: US Attorney Emery Villafana, where Villafana says, there's one magistrate

805
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 10: that will sign off on this, and we have to

806
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 10: get to them on Monday.

807
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 7: So a magistrate is just.

808
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 10: And the judiciary is one notch below a judge, and

809
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 10: he can serve the functions of a judge. So between

810
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 10: the judges and the magistrates, they found one magistrate that

811
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 10: would sign off on it, and then they sealed it

812
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 10: so no one could take a look at it. And

813
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 10: attorneys representing Epstein victims and Palm Beach Post appealed the ceiling,

814
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 10: and Judge Kenneth Meyra of Florida said that the document

815
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Speaker 10: should be unsealed, and then the Department of Justice appealed that,

816
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 10: and then finally the Eleventh Circuit said, okay, let's unseal it.

817
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 10: And what was unsealed was beyond egregious. That document gave.

818
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 10: We talked about Epstein' sweetheart deal, but actually that document

819
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 10: gave blanket immunity to all of his co conspirators, all

820
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Speaker 10: of them. And it also trampled on the Victim Crimes

821
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Speaker 10: Rights Act, which is it's a federal law and if

822
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 10: you're a victim of a crime, you have to be

823
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 10: apprized of the adjudication of your perpetrator and you get

824
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 10: to confront your perpetrator. And that was denied all the victims,

825
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 10: and that's another reason why they wanted to see And

826
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Speaker 10: then to make sure that that didn't come back to

827
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Speaker 10: bite them, they had the state put Epstein in a

828
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Speaker 10: county jail for eighteen months and he did thirteen, but

829
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Speaker 10: he was allowed to go out during the day and

830
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Speaker 10: most children. So that was all done under the Bush administration.

831
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Speaker 10: When Trump says it's a democratic conspiracy, he seems to

832
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Speaker 10: have freeend who gave Jeffrey Ebstein the sweetheart deal.

833
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Speaker 4: So on that note, let's roll a.

834
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Speaker 3: This is a point that was raised about Trump and

835
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Speaker 3: Epstein on CNN.

836
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Speaker 4: Want to get your reaction to this.

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Speaker 11: Nick research shows from investigative reporting from Miami Herald that

838
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 11: Jeffrey Epstein was actually still on the mar A Lago

839
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 11: membership logs up to two thousand and seven. Okay, so

840
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Speaker 11: Trump was still getting money from Jeffrey Epstein up to

841
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Speaker 11: two thousand and seven. He was still Jeffrey Epstein's was

842
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 11: still paying for his membership at mar A Lago, according

843
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 11: to Miami Herald. And that, of course is a year

844
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Speaker 11: after Jeffrey Epstein's arrest in Florida in two thousand and six.

845
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Speaker 11: Despite so if.

846
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Speaker 12: He kicked him out for being a creep, yes, that

847
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Speaker 12: would have even been a year after that would have

848
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Speaker 12: been established through a legal suit.

849
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Speaker 5: Correct.

850
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Speaker 3: And so Nick, just yesterday, Trump seemingly confirmed that Jeffrey Epstein,

851
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: in Trump's words, quote unquote, stole Virginia Jeffrey from him at.

852
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Speaker 4: Mar A Lago.

853
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: That the contingent seemed to be that Epstein was kicked

854
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 3: out because he had been poaching Trump's employees like Virginia

855
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: Jeiffrey obviously a very young woman from mar A Lago.

856
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: What more should people know about that type of connection

857
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 3: between Trump and Epstein.

858
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 10: There's two reasons why Jeffrey Epstein Donald Trump got divorced.

859
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 10: One is that Trump Epstein was poaching young girls at

860
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Speaker 10: Marri Lago or one girl.

861
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Speaker 7: And then the other one is the fail is the

862
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Speaker 7: real estate deal.

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00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 10: I mean a lot of people seem to put their

864
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 10: chips on the real estate deal instead of mar A Lago.

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Speaker 10: Virginia grew free was I knew Virginia and we become friends.

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Speaker 10: And that's a very sad story. But people that are

867
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Speaker 10: sexually trafficked as children, they're suicide RATEUS three times higher

868
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Speaker 10: than the general population. But Virginia was working at Marilanga.

869
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Speaker 10: She was fifteen years old and she was working in

870
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Speaker 10: the spot. Her goal was to be a therapeutic massus

871
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Speaker 10: and that's where Maxwell got her. So it wasn't Epstein

872
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 10: that was the one who conscripted Virginia, it was actually Maxwell.

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Speaker 2: What else do we know about the Trump Epstein relationship

874
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: and how close it was? Let me actually play for you.

875
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: I think this is a six guys. Michael Wolfe is

876
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: one of the few journalists who spent a lot of

877
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: time with Epstein. He's got a lot of recordings of Epstein.

878
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: He makes a lot of claims about, you know, their relationships.

879
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: Let me play a little bit of what he said

880
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: about these photos that he says he was shown of

881
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: Donald Trump with young girls.

882
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a listen to this.

883
00:48:53,560 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 9: At one point after Trump had been elected, and I

884
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 9: was sitting talking to Epstein, and he said, wait a minute,

885
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 9: I gotta show you something. And then he went into

886
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 9: his safe and he came out with with with with photographs.

887
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 9: They were they were polaroids, I think, and and he

888
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 9: kind of kind of they were kind of spread them

889
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 9: out like playing cards, and it was Trump. I mean

890
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 9: I think there were a dozen of them, and and

891
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 9: it was Trump with girls of an uncertain age at

892
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 9: Epstein's Palm Beach house where all of the things that

893
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 9: he would ultimately be accused of took place. And I

894
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 9: remember very vividly three of them. There are two in

895
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 9: which Trump is uh, the girls topless, girls are sitting

896
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 9: on Trump's lap, and then a third in which he

897
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 9: has a a stain on the front of his pants

898
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 9: and the girls are kind of kind of pointing at it,

899
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 9: sort of been over laughing you know, covering you know,

900
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 9: you know, covering the exactly exactly and pointing three or

901
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 9: four girls, and those are the ones I specifically remember.

902
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 9: It's certainly not unlikely that they were in the safe

903
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 9: when the FBI came in after his arrests and took

904
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Speaker 9: everything from from the house.

905
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: How much credence do you give to those allegations? And

906
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: what can we say for sure about the nature of

907
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: the relationship between Trump and Epstein.

908
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 10: Trump and Epstein were best of friends. They did have

909
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 10: that falling out. We don't know exactly why they had

910
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 10: the falling out. There's there's conflicting stories about that.

911
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 7: But what I know that Wolf.

912
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 10: Has said that before about the pictures of tompless girls

913
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 10: on Donald Trump's lap, and I don't know what to

914
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Speaker 10: make of that. I mean, he seems like an honest person.

915
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 10: So and what's really troubling to me is that the

916
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 10: FBI and Department of Justice know exactly what was taken

917
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 10: out of that safe, because they took a all of

918
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 10: the safe. And there was that crazy document that they

919
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 10: came out with on July sixth that said there was

920
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 10: a couple of things I agreed with that there were

921
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 10: over three hundred gigabytes of child exploitation material and that

922
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 10: there were over a thousand victims. I do agree with

923
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Speaker 10: those two things. I agree that Jeffrey Epstein had a

924
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 10: huge cash of child abuse material, and I agree that

925
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 10: there are well over a thousand victims.

926
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 7: But then that strange document and no one signed it.

927
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 10: It had the logo of the Department of Justice and FBI,

928
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 10: but no one was going to take a fall for

929
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 10: that document, so nobody signed it. But then it said

930
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 10: that Donald or that Jeffrey Epstein acted alone by himself,

931
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 10: that he didn't pander girls. I mean, there's so much

932
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 10: evidence about perpetrators and pimps and in the Epstein network

933
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 10: that it's an overkill actually, and that he didn't blackmail anyone.

934
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 10: So that document was really horrible, because the best thing

935
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 10: that you can say to someone who's been sexually abused

936
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 10: as a child or someone who's been sexually assaulted is

937
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 10: I believe you.

938
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 7: The worst thing that you can say.

939
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 10: To someone that's been trafficked as a child or sexually

940
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 10: assault is I.

941
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 7: Don't believe you.

942
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 10: And the Trump administration was sent with that document. The

943
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 10: Trump administration was saying, I don't believe you. Too, hundreds

944
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 10: of victims, and that's really troubling.

945
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 7: That's really troubling.

946
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 3: So I have a sort of strange question Nick, and

947
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 3: credit to Brionn android Gray who did a good interview

948
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: of Whitney Web the other day. But they mentioned and

949
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 3: he mentioned something quite interesting, which is around the time

950
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 3: that Hulk Hogan, the recently deceased Haul Hogan, started suing

951
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 3: Gawker for the sex tape, which we now know was

952
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: bankrolled by Peter Teal. That laws he was bankrolled by

953
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: Peter Teal who had been outed by Gawker.

954
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 4: That's actually around.

955
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: The time that your little Black Book story was published

956
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: by Gawker, And so the connection there is somewhat interesting.

957
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: I wanted to get There are all kinds of connections

958
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: that could be absolutely nothing in this case, or could

959
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: be compelling. But what is your take on since you're

960
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 3: the one who published the story, have you ever heard

961
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: anything since that there might be that Teal may have

962
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: been irked about that reporting.

963
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 10: No, Teal, who's a natural born fascist, was irked about

964
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 10: Gawker outing him. He had initiated that lawsuit before or

965
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 10: I wrote, okay, my article on Blocker and release the

966
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 10: Black Book.

967
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 7: So I got it there. There isn't a correlation there.

968
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 4: Okay, that's good to know.

969
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: I've one last question for you, which is, you know

970
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: you've you've studied not only you know as a journalist,

971
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: not only have you studied this case and this pedophile ring,

972
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: which obviously you know been many elites in America and

973
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: around the world. You've studied the history of other uh

974
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: pedophile rings of blackmail in the country. And I wonder

975
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: what you've been able to dig up or ascertain with

976
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: regard to potential intelligence ties. And sometimes you know that

977
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: aspect of this is framed as this like really wild conspiracy,

978
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 2: which is why I think your work is so important

979
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: exposing that, you know, Compromont is actually part of the

980
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: course for the CIA for massade for six and it

981
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: would not be some wild insane thing to imagine that

982
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 2: if he does have this compromising material on powerful people,

983
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: that there would be numerous intel agencies who would be

984
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: very interested in leveraging that.

985
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 10: People ask me this all the time, and they say, what,

986
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 10: Jeffrey Epstein is working with the Massad? And I say,

987
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 10: Jeffrey Epstein very well might have been working with the Massad,

988
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 10: But I believe that there's no way the CIA is

989
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 10: going to let the Masad compromise American politicians on American

990
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 10: soil without getting a cut of that intelligence.

991
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 7: I just don't think it's going to happen.

992
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 10: I think the dark side of the CIA and the

993
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 10: dark side of the Massade are kind of like the

994
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 10: Gambino family and the gen of Azy crime family.

995
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 7: They work together.

996
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 10: And I also wrote a book called Confessions of a

997
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 10: DC Man, The Politics of sex lives in Blackmail, and

998
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 10: I co authored it with Henry Vincent. And he ran

999
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 10: the largest gay escort service that's ever been uncovered.

1000
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 7: In DC and.

1001
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 10: CI assets were using his escorts to out closeted petitians

1002
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 10: and we name a number of them in the book.

1003
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 10: So blackmail or compromat is as old as our republic.

1004
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 10: There was a muckraking journalist that came across the story

1005
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 10: of Alexander Hamilton having an affair with a twenty married

1006
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 10: twenty three year old and her husband was blackmail and

1007
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 10: Alexander Hamilton, and then.

1008
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 7: The muckbreaker.

1009
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 10: Wrote a story about Hamilton's woes, and then and Jefferson

1010
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 10: and Hamilton had a lot of antipity towards each other

1011
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 10: and the muckbreaking journalists thought that Jefferson would give him

1012
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 10: an appointment in his administration because he helped Scully or

1013
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 10: Sally Hamilton's And what happened there was he did not

1014
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 10: Jefferson didn't let the guy in his administration, and then

1015
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 10: he wrote a book or article or some articles about

1016
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 10: Jefferson having sex with one of his slaves, Sally Hemings,

1017
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 10: which DNA has shown to be the case.

1018
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 7: So compromitt is as old as.

1019
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 10: Our republic, and there are a lot of our politicians

1020
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 10: that are compromised. Mike Johnson last week he adjourned to

1021
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 10: Congress early so it couldn't vote on investigating a child

1022
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 10: abuse network. I mean, what's that about. That's very strange.

1023
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 10: And he's got and I did some research into my

1024
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 10: wrote article about him. He's got this software called Covenant

1025
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 10: Eyes that he and his seventeen year old son have

1026
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 10: and it enables them to keep track of their pornography consumption,

1027
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 10: which I thought was very strange and extremely cringeworthy. So

1028
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 10: why is Mike Johnson holding this up? The decent thing

1029
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 10: to do would to investigate Jeffrey Epstein and the child molesters,

1030
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 10: But because blackmail is so integral through our system, and

1031
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 10: Johnson might even be buying my elder is someone who's

1032
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 10: blackmail is putting pressure on him. That's why our system

1033
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 10: is so dirty. And there's Republicans and Democrats that are compromised.

1034
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 7: It's they're both. I mean, this is a partisan effort.

1035
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1036
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 2: Well, Nick, Brian, thank you so much, first of all

1037
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: for your work, and again everybody go to Epstein Justice

1038
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: dot com to support your work there, and thank you

1039
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: so much for joining us this morning.

1040
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1041
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 10: Can I just add one thing, of course, the Centaters

1042
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 10: for Disease Control had did a study and found that

1043
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 10: twenty five percent of underage girls in America and five

1044
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 10: percent of underage boys in America have been molested. Now,

1045
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 10: people in the field think that that's slightly conservative for

1046
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 10: underage girls and very conservative for underage boys.

1047
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 7: But if you just go with the CDC.

1048
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 10: Numbers, you've got over fifty million Americans that have been

1049
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 10: molested when they were underage. And the Department of Health

1050
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 10: and Human Services commissioned a study that found that two

1051
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 10: hundred and forty thousand to three hundred and twenty five

1052
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 10: thousand women and children were sexually trafficked in the United

1053
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 10: States every year, So we're talking about millions of people.

1054
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 10: And according to the Federal Human Trafficking Report of twenty

1055
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 10: twenty three, the last one that we can have that

1056
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 10: we have access to, six hundred and sixty four people

1057
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 10: were charged with child trafficking in the United States. So

1058
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 10: if we go with the Department of Health and Human

1059
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 10: Services lowest number, two hundred and forty thousand, six hundred

1060
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 10: and sixty four people are being prosecuted.

1061
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 7: And that's one place where our society.

1062
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 10: Really really has to do a lot of work because

1063
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 10: only a fraction of one percent, and if we allow

1064
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 10: the Justice Department to be unresponsive to victims in the

1065
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 10: Epstein case of proven trafficking case, that sends a message

1066
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 10: to millions of victims in this country that they have

1067
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 10: no voice and no hope for justice.

1068
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: I think that's so important to underscore, and I think

1069
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: it's also a big part of why this case has

1070
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: been so important to so many people, and getting justice

1071
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: for these victims has been so important.

1072
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 4: That's right, Thank you Nick so much.

1073
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 7: Hey have a great day.

1074
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: So obviously, guys, we've been closely covering the famine and

1075
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: starvation that is unfolding at the hands of the Israelis

1076
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: in the Gaza strip and there's been an effort to

1077
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: erase those horrific conditions by Israel's defenders. We covered some

1078
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: of that yesterday, President himself though saying no, it's real,

1079
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: the hunger is real.

1080
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to that.

1081
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 13: First, lady you mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I

1082
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 13: roll in talk to about the poor in Ukraine and

1083
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 13: perhaps they fought evolution and thinking if you just dossed

1084
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 13: the crisis ignored or in the terrify.

1085
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 6: App thinks it's terrible and she sees to save pictures

1086
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 6: that you see and that we all see. And I

1087
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 6: think everybody, unless they're pretty cold hearted or worse than

1088
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 6: that nuts. There's nothing you can.

1089
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 14: Say other that it is terrible when you see the

1090
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 14: kids and those are kids, you know, whether they talk

1091
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Speaker 14: starvation or not, those are kids that are starving. That's

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Speaker 14: I mean, they are starving and you see the mothers.

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Speaker 14: They love them so much and it's just nothing they

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Speaker 14: seem to be able to do.

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Speaker 6: They got to get them food.

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Speaker 2: So he acknowledges the starvation. Of course, the most critical

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Speaker 2: part that's left out of that, Emily is the culpability

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Speaker 2: which is both Israel and ours. And so you know,

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Speaker 2: he claims he wants to get aid in. We also

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Speaker 2: have reporting that he's done absolutely nothing to pressure ant

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Speaker 2: Yahoo on any point, and indeed has told him numerous

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Speaker 2: occasions do what you gotta do, and you know, has

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Speaker 2: has backed this ethnic cleansing plan that is being implemented

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Speaker 2: right now, of which the starvation is a key component.

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Speaker 3: We had the Wall Street Journal actually did a graphic

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Speaker 3: yesterday of food getting into Gaza. And you can see

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Speaker 3: under Donald Trump's watch over the last six months that

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Speaker 3: this is a problem, particularly for his administrations. As harsh

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Speaker 3: as we were on the Biden administration, these problems are

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Speaker 3: happening under Donald Trump's watch now, even as last summer

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Speaker 3: he criticized by Nets and Yaho for his quote of

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Speaker 3: a public relations problem in this case. So right now,

1113
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Speaker 3: if Donald Trump does not want to see these images

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Speaker 3: coming out of Gaza, even as journalists aren't allowed into Gaza,

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Speaker 3: that's another important point, then he actually has a lot

1116
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: of power to pressure Benjamin Nets and Yahoo to make

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Speaker 3: it stop. So that's the test that's been failed under

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration recently, but it's the test that's continuing

1119
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 3: to run that he can, he can prove us wrong,

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Speaker 3: he can change course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. And I think it's worth

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01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: reminding people that we did have a ceasefire deal, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the terms of which we're sort of originally laid

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Speaker 2: out by the Biden administration. The Trump administration is able

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Speaker 2: to secure it. And Natan Yahoo was always saying when

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Speaker 2: he agreed to that deal, well, we're not going to

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01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: go past phase one. Basically, we're going to have a pause,

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Speaker 2: we're going to regroup, and then we're going to go

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: right back to war, death, destruction, starvation. The only person

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Speaker 2: who could have made sure that that deal was actually

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01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: enforced and a ceasefire to this genocide was actually you know,

1132
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Speaker 2: took cold and we moved to something other than genocide,

1133
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing, starvation, et cetera. Was Donald Trump, And instead

1134
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 2: he greenlit the Israelis backing out of that deal, blowing

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: it up and going right back to, you know, effectuating

1136
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: what we're we're seeing right now. It seems emily like

1137
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: there's been and we've we've covered some of this before,

1138
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: but it does seem like there's been a real break

1139
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: in the culture. And you hear voices. You know, people

1140
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: who are willing to speak out and speak out more stridently.

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01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 2: One of those people is John Stewart, who had on

1142
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: Peter Binnert to talk about what was unfolding in Gaza.

1143
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Speaker 2: And it's not that John Stewart hasn't been critical at

1144
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: all before, but I think some of the strength of

1145
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,479
Speaker 2: his language here was notable. So let's take a listen

1146
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 15: I feel like I'm watching something that is so self

1148
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 15: evidently inhumane and horrific, and to be told that I

1149
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 15: have to shut up because I risk the Jewish state

1150
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 15: by speaking out, I would say the opposite. I think

1151
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 15: they're putting the likelihood of a surviving Jewish state much

1152
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 15: more at risk with this type of action. I think

1153
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 15: they're the ones that are.

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Speaker 7: That are being anti If you want.

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Speaker 15: To to find how with the definition of anti Semitism, would

1156
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 15: probably have to bomb himself. But there's an urgency about

1157
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 15: it now because like, right now in this situation, we

1158
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 15: can't be like but Jews are not getting along with

1159
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 15: other Jews, Like that's not the important thing, right that,

1160
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Speaker 15: How is the world not stepping in right and stopping

1161
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 15: this atrocity? I don't understand this in any way shape.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's nooggling my mind.

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01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 4: It's worse than just not stepping in.

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Speaker 9: It's our weapons that are that are that are enforcing

1165
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 9: this siege that it's enforcing this mass starvation.

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Speaker 7: It's a siege. It's a military siege, yes, that we

1167
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 7: are deeply complicit in.

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Speaker 5: It could not happen without us.

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Speaker 2: And you know, John Stewart's a liberal, Peter Buyinnart's a liberal.

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Speaker 2: I think that's part of why, you know, Peter Buyinart

1171
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: is accepted in these sort of like mainstream liberal spaces,

1172
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: which is I think part of why he's been such

1173
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: an important voice. And there's a portion of this interview

1174
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: where you know, John Stewart says something like basically like listen,

1175
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: I don't know every single in and out of what's

1176
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: happened over all of these many years, but I know

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Speaker 2: what I'm seeing and I have a moral clarity around it.

1178
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: And I think that part is very important because that

1179
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: has previously been the way that liberals have been sort

1180
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 2: of shut down. It's very easy to say, look, you

1181
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: don't under it's complicated, and you just don't understand all

1182
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: the ins and the outs, and you need to study eight.

1183
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: You know, history for eighteen years before you can dare

1184
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Speaker 2: have an opinion on this, And I just think at

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01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: this point, Emily, that has been so thoroughly rejected because

1186
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: people go, no, I can see what's happening.

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Speaker 5: It's wrong.

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Speaker 2: And I don't need to know what happened in June

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Speaker 2: of nineteen forty eight or whatever to understand that bombing

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Speaker 2: and murdering children and starving them to death, and denying

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Speaker 2: baby formula and medicine and turning the entire Gaza strip

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Speaker 2: into rubble. I don't need to know everything about this

1193
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: to know that that thing that I'm seeing right now

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01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: is wrong. It actually reminds me of the Tim Dillon

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01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: bit on this where he's talking about miss Rachel and

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01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, when I see children being bombed,

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01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: I think, huh. And I read a book and I

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01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 2: get to the end, and somewhere in that book, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to learn why these children are being bombed. And

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Speaker 2: he's obviously mocking the idea that there is some like

1201
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 2: nuanced historical perspective on why it's acceptable to starve infant

1202
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: babies to death and bomb them in their tents.

1203
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Speaker 3: So I think when the history of the post October

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01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 3: seventh Foreign Policy is written last week will have to

1205
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: be pinpointed as the turning point. Like I think you're

1206
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 3: exactly right, Crystal, that something changed last week. And I

1207
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 3: know people like yourself who've been covering this very closely

1208
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: since October seventh would would say, you know, too little,

1209
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 3: too late at this point for a lot of people

1210
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 3: who came around last week. But you know, I guess

1211
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: you probably wouldn't say it exactly that, Crystal be I'm

1212
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 3: sure you know it's everyone appreciates people coming and recognizing

1213
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 3: what's happening. But it just seemed like last week the

1214
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: images that were flooding everybody's social.

1215
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 4: Media were what changed.

1216
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 3: It sort of created a gave people permission culturally to

1217
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 3: feel like it was okay. Is that you're read on

1218
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 3: it because so much of this is from the left.

1219
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 3: I know, we have a pod save clip what we're

1220
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: about to roll to me, That's what it seems is

1221
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 3: that it started to become acceptable, in fact unacceptable on

1222
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 3: the left. This was I think one of our takeaways

1223
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 3: from the Alyssa Slotkin interview you did yesterday. She was

1224
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 3: not running at all from condemning, she said she didn't

1225
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 3: want to use the word genocide, or at least that

1226
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 3: she was ambivalent on the word genocide. But she was

1227
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: forcefully condemning what it happened in the last week, almost

1228
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 3: eagerly condemning what it happened in the last week. I

1229
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 3: think there's democrats now realizing it's actually politically advantageous to

1230
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 3: lean into condemnations of what's happening right now. And that's

1231
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: to me one of the big changes. And I think

1232
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,799
Speaker 3: it came from a lot of the images flooding people's

1233
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 3: social media last week, and it created maybe a permission structure.

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01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 4: I don't know what do you make of that?

1235
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's right. Let me put

1236
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 2: Alyssa's lot kin to decide for a second and get

1237
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: back to that. I think the when babies are being

1238
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: starved to death, there's no oh, they're Hamas, there's no

1239
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: Hamas was fighting under the baby formula, Like, there's just

1240
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 2: no way of excusing it. Mass starvation. All two million

1241
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: or however many people are left in the Gaza strip

1242
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 2: are being starved, and they every one hundred percent of

1243
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: them are at some level of hunger and famine conditions.

1244
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: And that is not you know, an accident of nature

1245
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: the way the Western media you know, often portrays it

1246
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 2: of like hunger rises, as if that just came out

1247
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 2: of nowhere. You only get to one hundred percent famine

1248
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: through man made, intentional actions over many months, by the way,

1249
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: and so it just becomes undeniable. There's no cover story.

1250
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 2: And then when you see these images of these skeletal

1251
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: babies and children, it evokes the worst horrors from the

1252
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 2: history books that you can possibly imagine.

1253
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 4: Oh but they have pre existing conditions.

1254
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 2: Oh right, so then it's fine if we kill them.

1255
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: It's fine if they starve to death, if they have

1256
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,520
Speaker 2: pre existing conditions. I mean, that's just so utterly grotesque.

1257
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so not only you keeping out the food,

1258
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: but yes, thank you for reminding us that you're also

1259
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 2: keeping out the medicine to you know, to proact and

1260
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 2: to be able to help children, the elderly, everybody who

1261
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: is there. And so I think that you know, that

1262
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: is part of why you're seeing this turning point in

1263
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: terms of the rhetoric right now, In terms of it's

1264
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: one thing if you are a commentator and you I

1265
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 2: think it's not enough to say okay, now, things are bad.

1266
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 2: I think you need to make amends. I think you

1267
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: need to I think there has to be a god

1268
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: I got this wrong, you know, I really thought the

1269
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: Israelis had good intention, like I having covered this so closely,

1270
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 2: and you you as well, Emily, Like, I don't know

1271
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: how you went all these many months without seeing this

1272
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: for what it was. When you have Israeli ministers announcing

1273
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 2: it publicly like it's in the President of the United

1274
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: States announcing it publicly, I don't know how you ignored that.

1275
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: And so I do think there has to be not

1276
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,839
Speaker 2: just a oh now it's bad, but amea kulpa about

1277
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 2: how you got it wrong and the way that you

1278
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: helped feed into propaganda and lies to enable what we

1279
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 2: see before our eyes right now. If you are a

1280
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: person in power, if you are a senator like Lisa Slotkin,

1281
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 2: you didn't just It wasn't just your words. It wasn't

1282
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 2: just the fact that you spent your time condemning protesters

1283
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 2: who were trying to protest this versus condemning you know,

1284
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: the monsters who were murdering babies. You took votes like

1285
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 2: you used your power to help effectuate this outcome, And

1286
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: so what are you going to do now to make

1287
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 2: it right? I mean, you really, it goes a lot

1288
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 2: more than further than you know, I put out a

1289
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: tweet or you know, I'm willing to come on and

1290
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: condemn them or say this is wrong, but you know, well,

1291
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: I won't go so far as to call it ethnic cleansing,

1292
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: and I won't go so far as to call it

1293
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Speaker 2: a genocide. Mean, even if she was willing to call

1294
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: it a genocide, it's like, you voted for the weapons

1295
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: that went and did this and created this. What are

1296
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: you going to do to make it right? And so

1297
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 2: for me, that was kind of the you know, going

1298
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: into that interview, that was the important question. It remains

1299
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 2: for me the important question, even as Democrats start to

1300
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: realize slowly, vastly, belatedly, the political writing on the wall

1301
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: about how incredibly damaging this has been to their political

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Speaker 2: prospects and the political prospects of their party.

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Speaker 4: In the long term.

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Speaker 3: By the way, just as you're saying that, I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: to the safety also of people. If you're just purely

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Speaker 3: from a cynical perspective, if you were Alissa Slatkin, and

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Speaker 3: I guess this isn't necessarily cynical, But they're categorically cynical.

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Speaker 3: But if you're Alyssa Slatkin, the situation that has been

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Speaker 3: created for the country that you've been defending for however

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Speaker 3: long now, the long term safety of the people there

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Speaker 3: is that better now? Is that on a better trajectory?

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Speaker 3: Is that what this was all for? Do do feel

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Speaker 3: as though the future of Israel has now been preserved

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Speaker 3: because of what's happened over the course of this war.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just that.

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Speaker 3: Question I think is going to haunt particularly Democrats who

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Speaker 3: were always wary kind of nets Yahu and Lakud but

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Speaker 3: supported the war itself. I mean, there wasn't a lot

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Speaker 3: of hesitancy in the Republican Party about nets Yahu and Lakud.

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Speaker 3: Obviously still among some people. There isn't on the Republican side,

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Speaker 3: so many people on the Republican side. So I just

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Speaker 3: think that question for Democrats who were wary of nets Yah,

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Speaker 3: who is going to hang over their heads for a

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Speaker 3: really long time and over their consciences as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree with that. I mean, if your

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Speaker 2: goal was to like protect the Jewish state, this is

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Speaker 2: what John Stewart talks about, you failed miserably. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it sort of irritates me that it always has to

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Speaker 2: be framed in the context of, like, well, what's good

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Speaker 2: for the Israelis and the Palestinians themselves don't get to

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Speaker 2: be you know, full humans and there just basic right

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Speaker 2: to like live in dignity and he self determination. That

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Speaker 2: could never be the central discussion, but that is I

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Speaker 2: think the reality and the nature of American politics.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead. And then I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Throw to the pod save thought, which I think is important.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I was just going to say, I mean

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Speaker 3: it obviously to me Ateast it goes hand in hand

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Speaker 3: that if you have peace in the region, it's better

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Speaker 3: for everyone. And if you are not creating famine and

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Speaker 3: destruction and rubble and as Trump says, cleaning h you know,

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01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 3: swaths of land that people have done and fought for

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Speaker 3: for decades, then you are more likely, no matter how.

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Speaker 4: Difficult it is.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely saying it's easy, but you're more likely to

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Speaker 3: create a more peaceful and prosperous region.

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Speaker 4: Of course, it's it's just it's obvious.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's there's no military option here. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's there's only you know, your ability to leave live

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01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 2: peacefully with your neighbors. And you know, the the idea

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Speaker 2: that Israel is like keeping even their own citizens safe,

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01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: let it let alone, you know, Jewish people around the world,

1353
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 2: is just utterly preposterous at this point. The pod Save

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01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: guys have been pretty good on this issue, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's there. You know, they come out of Obama world.

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Speaker 2: And also I think just the fact that they're not

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Speaker 2: on a mainstream network, that they're online also creates, you know,

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Speaker 2: different ecosystem that they're swimming in.

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Speaker 4: But they own a company, don't they.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I don't know all the financing

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Speaker 2: structure and the ins and outs of that, but they

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Speaker 2: came out very strongly in favor. Hey, you have to

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Speaker 2: cut off all aid, and we need to look at

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Speaker 2: sanctioning Israeli officials. And we can't like whenever this ends,

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Speaker 2: we can't go back to what this relationship was before.

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Speaker 2: Like this is over and done. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: take a listen to that.

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Speaker 16: And I don't think Democratic candidates should take money from

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Speaker 16: APEX or vote to fund military support for Israel anymore,

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Speaker 16: Like I really don't. This government absolutely not, and that

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Speaker 16: especially includes I think the next Democratic nominee for president.

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Speaker 12: Things I want to see Democrats at least calling for

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01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 12: is cutting off military system to Israel. It's a rich country.

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Speaker 12: By the way, they don't need our three billion a

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01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 12: year and hands up right back. Obama signed a ten

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Speaker 12: year MoU for three point three billion a year. Like

1378
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 12: so we're part of the problem here, let's correct it.

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Speaker 12: I would like to see talk about sanctioning Israeli government

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Speaker 12: officials who use genocidal rhetoric or talk about ethnic cleansing openly.

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Speaker 12: We should support a ceasefire resolution at the UN. We

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Speaker 12: should demand that international press be allowed into the Gaza

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Speaker 12: strip to report on what's happening without an IBF minder,

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Speaker 12: it's insane. The press still can't go with the Gaza

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Speaker 12: and cover what's happening. And I also think like there

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Speaker 12: has to be a total mindset change in the Democratic

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Speaker 12: Party when the war ends. We are not going back

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Speaker 12: to the pre October seventh status quo because it's where

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01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 12: the party is not where the world is. We're not

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Speaker 12: going to shovel billions a year in military aid. We're

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Speaker 12: not going to veto every effort to recognize a Palestinian

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Speaker 12: state at the UN we should not take money from APAC,

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Speaker 12: and like I will hold out hope for better political

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01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 12: leadership in the US and in Israel, but we often

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01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 12: also recognize that the Biden era Hugby b Neet Yaho's

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Speaker 12: strategy has to be thrown in the trash can for

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Speaker 12: fucking ever. Netnyah, who's a bad actor. He's continuing a

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Speaker 12: war for political purposes. He bombs Lebanon when he wants to,

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Speaker 12: he bombs a Run when he wants to be bomb

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Speaker 12: Syria when he wants to do. This is not a

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Speaker 12: partner we can count on. This is not someone who

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01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 12: is like leading to calm and stability in the region,

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Speaker 12: which should be a core interest.

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Speaker 16: Like at this point, cutting off military funding for a

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Speaker 16: government that is starving two million people and advertising how

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Speaker 16: they're ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, it seems like the least

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Speaker 16: we can.

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Speaker 17: Do, especially as if we're going to head into a

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Speaker 17: primary like table, stakes is going to be no more

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Speaker 17: military for Israel, So there I will just will have

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Speaker 17: to be a shift, and I do think that will

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Speaker 17: mean putting far more pressure on Israel, and that's what

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Speaker 17: I think Democrats want, by the way, that's what the

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Speaker 17: country wants. And when you pull Israeli's they say they

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Speaker 17: want a fucking cease fire. Israelis want the hostages returned

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Speaker 17: through a negotiated settlement. And by the way, that's the

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Speaker 17: way in which the vast majority of hostage who's who

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Speaker 17: were returned were able to be returned.

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Speaker 2: And they are way more in line with where Democrats are.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's like eight percent of Democrats who have

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Speaker 2: a favorable view of Nanyahu and what's happening in Israel

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Speaker 2: right now. I mean, it's nearly unanimous, and I think

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Speaker 2: the eight percent that are like favorably inclined towards what's

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Speaker 2: happening are all basically serving in the Congress in the

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Speaker 2: United States. Tenant apparently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean in that clip too. I think

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Speaker 3: it's and it's been going viral kind of pain around

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Speaker 3: the internet. I think it's hopefully becoming clear to Democrats

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Speaker 3: that it is, like whether they want it to be

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Speaker 3: a different era or not, the page has been turned.

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Speaker 3: And I do think crystal some of it from those guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious what your take is on this. I do

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01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 3: think some of that is a little bit cynical because

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01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 3: they are so immersive in like they have a really

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Speaker 3: popular podcast. So they're kind of in the new media space,

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Speaker 3: and the new media space tends to be super anti establishment.

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Speaker 4: It's not all anti establishment, but a lot of it is.

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Speaker 3: Because frankly, that's where a lot of younger Americans are.

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Speaker 3: And when I say younger, I mean like people under

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Speaker 3: forty and I'm just talking about like zoomers here, and

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01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 3: so I think you've seen them respond to what they've

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01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 3: seen and it's it's taken them to that place. But

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01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 3: obviously they're calling for policy consequences, concrete policy consequences. So

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Speaker 3: maybe I'm being too cynical in this case.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know exactly, but I think that

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Speaker 2: they I mean, I don't know, it seems pretty genuine

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Speaker 2: to me. I think the difference is that they don't

1448
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 2: have these other competing pressures to keep them from saying

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Speaker 2: what is like abundantly obvious interesting, like anyone who's paying attention, people.

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Speaker 3: Want access to them, if that makes sense, right, Like

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Speaker 3: that the mean dying an interviewed congressmen.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I mean, you know, usually interviewing congressman to

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: now as you're staying off. So you know, when you're

1454
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: existing in this ecosystem, it just it doesn't have to

1455
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: be your your number one priority. And I do think

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01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: that a lot of Democrats still will want to go

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01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: on with them, just because they've established themselves as sort

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01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 2: of like you know, the democratic independent media central hub.

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01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, they you know, I think they are an

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 2: important signal of where the Democratic base is, and I

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01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 2: don't think anything they said will be controversial among anyone

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01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 2: outside of like the Beltway. Basically what where they are

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01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: is we're going to cover this with Soroan like sixty

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01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 2: seven percent of Democrats in New York were like, you're right,

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Speaker 2: we should arrest at and Yahoo if he comes to

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Speaker 2: New York. You are absolutely right about that. Some eighty

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01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: percent or like it is a genocide. I mean, this

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01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: is just consensus now among a lot of the public,

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Speaker 2: but certainly inside of the Democratic base and the gulf

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Speaker 2: between the Democratic leadership and where the base is is

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Speaker 2: not some thing that can persist, and over time it

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Speaker 2: won't persist. The only question is whether or not that

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Speaker 2: you know, makes any sort of political difference for Palestinians

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Speaker 2: who are right now, you know, being starved and displaced

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Speaker 2: and you know, having this genocide committed against them. There

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Speaker 2: were a couple of other things we wanted to note

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Speaker 2: quickly in this block. First of all, Randy Fine the

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Speaker 2: most disgusting member of Congress. I think it's fair to say,

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01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 2: I think we could probably unanimously agree on that. He

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01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,879
Speaker 2: said that Palestinian should starve away. He called his colleague

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01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,759
Speaker 2: il Han Omer a Muslim terrorists. He said Gaza should

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Speaker 2: be nuked. He has gotten a Republican primary opponent who

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01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: is calling him out. We could put this before up

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01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 2: on the screen. Who's calling him out specifically on some

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Speaker 2: of these things he says, I do not support this

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Speaker 2: is Aaron Baker is his opponent. I do not support

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01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: starving children. I do not support punishing citizens for having

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 2: the worst government in existence. It's my goal to make

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01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: you a one term congressman. If you agree, please consider

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01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: supporting me to represent floor to six. I know nothing

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01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: about this man. He's a Republican. I'm I'm sure I

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01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 2: disagree with him on many things. It is a very

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01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: heavily Republican district. I don't know, like R plus thirty

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01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: two or something Republican district. There is no way that

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Speaker 2: He's not better than Randy Fine, no way, support I

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01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 2: don't know who he is, support him. He's got to

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Speaker 2: be better than Randy Fine. He could not possibly be worse.

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Speaker 2: The fact that he's willing to say, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I don't support I don't actually support starving children. That

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Speaker 2: already puts him like miles head and shoulders above Randy Fine.

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Speaker 2: So that'll be an interesting one to watch play out,

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01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 2: because even though it's this overwhelmingly Republican district, Andy Fine

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01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: didn't win by that much. The Democrats vastly, vastly overperformed

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01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 2: because he's just such a disgusting, grotesque, monstrous figure that

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01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 2: even Republican partisans were like, I don't know about this guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's already hitting Randy Fine on APAK. So

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Speaker 3: I'm on Aaron Baker's X right now. So this is

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01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 3: twelve hours ago. People can go look it up. But

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Speaker 3: his seems that I've gotten a lot of support in

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Speaker 3: the last twenty four hours, particularly since he went after

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Speaker 3: Randy Fine on this issue, And that's just interesting in

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Speaker 3: and of itself.

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01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 4: You almost don't even need to say it.

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01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 3: The fact that you have a Republican candidate in a

1515
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:17,560
Speaker 3: deep red district saying what he's saying right now is fascinating,

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01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 3: And I would say as red as this district is,

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01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 3: it's one to watch because it seems like it'll probably

1518
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 3: involve a whole lot of outside money in order to

1519
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 3: try and make a point, a lot of these races

1520
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 3: become even if they're not super competitive, it's going to

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01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 3: be a Republican seat no matter what. They become proxy

1522
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 3: competitions to see. You know, in some sense, it's almost

1523
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 3: not that useful because it'll be an outlier in terms

1524
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 3: of money that probably goes in if that's what happens

1525
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 3: for Randy Fine from groups like APAC and others. But

1526
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 3: we'll see who ends up supporting Aaron Baker in this

1527
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 3: race against Randy Fine.

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 4: Who's been called out.

1529
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,839
Speaker 3: Fine has been called up by people like Tucker Carls

1530
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 3: and others on the right in recent days.

1531
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 4: So this is one to watch for sure.

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01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was a whole flap apparently APAC took

1533
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 2: him down off of their list of indoors candidates, and

1534
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 2: people were wondering, like, oh, did he go too far

1535
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: even for a pack APAC to put out a statement

1536
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: saying no, no, we just haven't you know, I don't know.

1537
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 2: They said basically, they're still behind him. But I do wonder,

1538
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 2: if you know, when you've got this guy out there

1539
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 2: just saying these horrifically monstrous, genocidal things like starve away,

1540
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 2: if APAC doesn't find him particularly all that helpful to

1541
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 2: their cause, it might be too out there even for

1542
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: them to really go to the mat to try to

1543
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: keep him in place.

1544
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but

1545
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 5: that's just a question for me.

1546
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 3: He's asking Mike Johnson whether he'll remove Randy Fine from

1547
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 3: the Foreign Affairs Committee. That's another wow, sizzling hot post

1548
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 3: from Aaron Baker fifteen hours ago.

1549
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 4: So that's a good question.

1550
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: Actually, it's a good question for when they come back

1551
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 3: from August recess, because when even Apak was taking a

1552
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 3: step back at least in the public realm from Randy Fine.

1553
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 4: There you go, it's a question for Mike Johnson.

1554
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, one last thing just quickly that I really is

1555
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 2: very important that I wanted to get to Chris Malls,

1556
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 2: who's the president of the Amazon Labor Union, who Sager

1557
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 2: and I've known for years at this point, and you know,

1558
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: interviewed him multiple times. I've met him and spoke spoken

1559
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: with him in person.

1560
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 5: He went on Gaza Aid flotilla.

1561
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 2: That flotilla, you know, the Israelis seized in international waters,

1562
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 2: wildly illegal, basically kidnapping them off of the ship with

1563
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 2: no right to do it. And we can put B

1564
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 2: five up on the screen. Chris Malls, in particular, it appears,

1565
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 2: was singled out for direct physical abuse. The Freedom Flotilla

1566
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 2: Coalition Cook confirms that upon arrival it Israeli custody US

1567
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 2: human rights defender Chris Malls was physically assaulted by seven

1568
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: uniformed individuals. They choked him, they kicked him in the legs,

1569
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 2: leaving visible signs of violence on his neck and back.

1570
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: The Freedom Flotilla Coalition wrote in a statement posted on

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01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 2: Instagram on Tuesday morning, So this is an American citizen

1572
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 2: and they go on here, they say. When his lawyer

1573
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 2: met with him, Chris was surrounded by six members of

1574
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: israel special police unit. This level force was not used

1575
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 2: against other abducted activists. We condemned this violence against Chris

1576
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 2: and demand accountability for the assault and discriminatory treatment that

1577
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 2: he faced. Smalls was the only black person on board

1578
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,879
Speaker 2: the boat. And he was one of twenty one members

1579
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: of the group who were detained. So again Chris Malls

1580
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 2: singled out for violent abuse at the hands of Israelis. Obviously,

1581
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: Chris is not only an American citizen, he is a

1582
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 2: labor leader. Amazon Labor Union is under the Team Stirs.

1583
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 2: At this point, you know, Sean O'Brien has been cozying

1584
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 2: up to Trump as far as I know, he hasn't

1585
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 2: put out any statement in support of Chris s Malls.

1586
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 2: But this is disgusting and outrageous behavior from the Israelis

1587
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 2: that deserves condemnation from every American and certainly every American leader.

1588
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 2: You know, when an American citizen is kidnapped and violently

1589
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: abused by our supposed ally there in the Middle East.

1590
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 4: Oh, Chris is recovering and back to back to health.

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01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 4: Awful story.