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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us today. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm honored. Thanks for having me. We did a little

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Speaker 1: want to butcher your last name. So can you just

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Speaker 1: say it for us once and for all. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like a cat, but with think Kake cats and abus

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Speaker 1: cats the name. We'll just continue calling calling you the

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Speaker 1: good Angie. That's how we've been referring to you on

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Speaker 1: the pod. I'll take that. Are you Greek and Greek? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my parents are both from Greece, one of the most

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Speaker 1: beautiful places in the world. Yes, absolutely, I love going there.

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Speaker 1: I want to have you always lived in Salt Lake. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: bind us next time I go to all those places

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Speaker 1: like it. Um, so are you guys LDS? No, we're

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Speaker 1: actually Greek Orthodox, which growing up here, I was probably

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's Jack Mormons, but no practicing Mormons.

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Speaker 1: How Jack Mormons? Mormons? Mormons? How does Salt Lake City

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Speaker 1: the people in town feel about How do they feel

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Speaker 1: about the show? Uh? You know, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: being seen in negative light. And I can respect that, right.

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Speaker 1: are you gonna take it? Well, I will pull my

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Speaker 1: I've been around for a while. You know you're saying

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Speaker 1: like let him. You know, she's got nothing to lose,

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00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: Like what does she do? She doesn't even have a job, right,

428
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: So her husband now was like in a position of

429
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: posibly have issues at work and in business because she's

430
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: throwing him under the bus. She knew worth it. Yeah,

431
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: it looked like he just came out and said that

432
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: because he knew it was going to come out. My

433
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: next question, it's like, was there a rumball and talk

434
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: about it behind everybody's back that they everybody knew he

435
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: was behind it, and that's why he brought it up.

436
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: When it happened, Jen called him and called him out

437
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: on it, he started crying like a little girl. Of course,

438
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 1: like a little bitch. What iran? Like a little elf

439
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: on the shelf? Bitch? And he was never clean. It's like,

440
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: it looks like he's coming clean to be fourth, right,

441
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: and because he feels guilty, he's coming clean because Jen

442
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: called him out nine months prior and he that's kind

443
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: of what we thought we talked about before. He just

444
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: looked so cringe e and Mare's didn't even seem shocked

445
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: by it. So I was like, something is everybody knew

446
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: every this was already out and for Meredith to even say, oh, well,

447
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: don't feel bad, you apologize it was so cringe e

448
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: all of it. And then also Danna, they have really

449
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: showed us very little of her um and what they

450
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: have shown it's it's like I can't figure her out yet,

451
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: but I have seen that even I feel like Heather

452
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: said it to her this past episode where she was like,

453
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: don't step up to jet, you know, like, if you

454
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: want to be here, these are the rules. Just do

455
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: you think that there's going to be a part, you know,

456
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: without any spoilers, where we are going to see Dana

457
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: come into her own and she's going to get more.

458
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: She going to continue, you know, having to follow the rules. Well,

459
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the season Dana finally

460
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: realizes she can have a voice and come forward and

461
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: see what she's really thinking. But yeah, she was um.

462
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: She was told to downplay, you know, her feelings, which

463
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: I thought that was you know, that was so cringey

464
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: when Heather told her to do that. It's like like

465
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: it's like people want the friends up to just stay

466
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 1: silent and stay down. And the point is, you know,

467
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be real self, and Danna wanted to

468
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: bring some things to life but was made to feel

469
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: that she couldn't. But yeah, I think towards the end

470
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: of the season, Sweetheart, Danna does have an opinion, but

471
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: it took her a minute to be able to voice

472
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: that opinion the guest. The guest like she was trying

473
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: to push your down. Right, don't have a voice. Don't

474
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: call Jen out because that's why I had or chooses

475
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: to do, Like, oh, I'm just going to support Jen's toxic,

476
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: but that's why she's getting paid for. Right is to

477
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: have a voice. But also, who doesn't love a friend

478
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: like I personally when I was on the show, I

479
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: feel like you're the same camera. If a friend up

480
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: came on and wanted to create drama, it makes your

481
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: life easier, so much easier. Like I'm thrilled, and I'm like,

482
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: if you're not even old time, you're willing to do

483
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: this like yes, like it's a good thing. So I

484
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: can't believe, especially having such a small cast, that they

485
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: would really just want to push people aside. But that's

486
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: kind of making me wonder a little bit about her.

487
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: Heather and Meredith and well, you know, we met Heather

488
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: at brovocon and she seemed like we had a good

489
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: time with her. She was super sweet, super nice. But

490
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: the Heather that we're seeing right now, she's just I

491
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: don't know if she's just having a bad season. Is

492
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: this her true colors? It's very confusing. What are your

493
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: thoughts on Whitney and Heather's friendship. I love Winny. I

494
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: think she's been a very good friend. What do you

495
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: saw from Heather like, don't say anything. I'm gonna bring

496
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: you down. I'm gonna control you. I don't want you

497
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: to step up and say anything. There's like some control

498
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: things going on. And it feels similar sometimes to gender myself.

499
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: Where Heather was good with Whitney when Whitney was quiet

500
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: and conforming and agreeing with everything she said, and now

501
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: that Whinney has her own opinion and it's sort of

502
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: standing not sort of Whinney's standing out. She's gone through

503
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: a lot, she's becoming her own person, she's forming her

504
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: own opinion. Now, that's when the friendship started. To go sideways.

505
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: So you know, they're all good if they can control

506
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: the narrative. That makes sense. That makes so much sense, really,

507
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: m And now I have to ask kind of it's

508
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: a kind of a classless question, but you they talk

509
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: about it a lot on Salt Lake So I just

510
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm seeing your background. I'm seeing like even your little

511
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: our zoom nugget. Are you the richest Salt Lake City?

512
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: You know you didn't? Uh? You know, I have seen

513
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: everyone's financials, but um, you know, Lisa's always sweet says

514
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: you have the most beautiful house of all of us. Um,

515
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: I do want to add that I am self made.

516
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: My dad and my mother were raised in dilligence and

517
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: came here with nothing. So I like to share that

518
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: because I don't want to ever obviously brag, but I

519
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: have worked hard along with my husband to get where

520
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: I am today. So I haven't seen everyone's financials, but

521
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm definitely one of the I'll take I'll

522
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: take it as yes, what kind of does just our

523
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I'm not gonna brag me. Yes, what

524
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: kind of business are you in? Um, I'm in the

525
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: beauty industry. I own multiple hair salons called lunatic French salons. Um.

526
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: I am an owner of a cosmetology school pub much

527
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: of the school um and um yeah, and I also

528
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: own a beauty supply called Urban Beauty, where we distribute

529
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: high end beauty products. So yeah, see, I want to

530
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: see all of this. I hope you have a snowfl

531
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: next year so you can start to uncover your and

532
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: then tell us about your husband. Because I met you

533
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: guys at the horse show, and you guys were both

534
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: so nice and such the fact that both of y'all

535
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: were there to support your daughter riding like I loved it,

536
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: so thank you. Yeah, she can't shake us. We follow

537
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: her everywhere. We have darling little girls. Elector, that's eleven

538
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: years old. My husband is a hairdresser too, which is

539
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: so crazy. I met him in a hair salon when

540
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: I was nineteen and um, when I was twenty. When

541
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: we started dating, he was twenty four. And you know,

542
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: he's just a very down to earth, humble guy. He

543
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: works really hard and here he was just like buff,

544
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: We're just hairdresser, and I'm like, wow, this guy is

545
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: so shy. And at that time, if you were a hairdresser,

546
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: you know there was no straight hairdressers and felt like

547
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, there's no need to worry

548
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: because this guy would never even give me the time

549
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: of day. And then I started working at the same

550
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: salon and we fell in love from there and we

551
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: were very young. We got married young. Um we started out,

552
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: um six years as hairdressers, opened our own salon together,

553
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: uh six years later than got in the school industry.

554
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: We have that franchise company of lunatic frings that we

555
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: opened together. My husband grew up with horses doing uh

556
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, his dad had a ranch and he grew

557
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: up just a good old boy, hard worker. And UM,

558
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: my daughter, I think got exposed to the horse world

559
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: because of him. He and his dad bought her a

560
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: little pony when she was two and a half and then, um,

561
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: you know that's the beginning of her dream, which she

562
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: wants to write in the Olympics. So she's a little equestrian.

563
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: We follow her like you around to all these horse shows. Um.

564
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: We now manage our multiple businesses together. Obviously we don't

565
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: do hair anymore. And you know we're just partners in life.

566
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: We're partners in business and partners in in raising our

567
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: little girl together, And how does he feel about the filming?

568
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, I think he loves it. He thinks I

569
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: was made for this, which is so funny. A lot

570
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: of people say, oh my gosh, Angie is so sweet,

571
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: She's so kind. I'm worried about her going into this show.

572
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: And my husband always says, do not worry about Angie,

573
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: which made for this. He can hold her own. So um.

574
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's happy and supports me doing it and

575
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: has had my back and he's excited for me. Did

576
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: he film very much this season? A little bit. He

577
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: was at Sharif's, you know, the guy's dinner that was brutal.

578
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: That dinner was brutal, brutal to watch, brutal to watch.

579
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so awkward. Yeah. I think

580
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: some people love seeing the husbands and other people use

581
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: it as their snack time to you know, use arresturants.

582
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean, the Seth conversation is just yeah, Seth in person.

583
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna say, meeting both of them. Seth

584
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: has a lot of personality. I know sometimes people feel

585
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: he's created. When you say meeting both of them, do

586
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: you mean meeting Meredith and so compared compared to narrative.

587
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: He has a personality, right, you know, he's the CEO

588
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: of fun over her because it's like in a relationship

589
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: there's opposites, and you know, Seth has a lot of personality.

590
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: He can hold his own in a social setting. When

591
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: he was at my house for Sharik's party, he was

592
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: very friendly. He was a lot of fun, very interesting

593
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: down earth conversations. But I know on film he says

594
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: and does some cringing things, So personally, I was shocked

595
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: when I met him, And you know, he was nice

596
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: to actually have a conversation with, and I can see

597
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: where he'd be the balance in a social setting for her,

598
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: because Meredith doesn't really have a whole lot to say.

599
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: Is she a whole lot of fun? No? Not really?

600
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Would you have? She was sweet Meredith. She was talked

601
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: about Tama. We don't want to hear sweet the house.

602
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Well okay, well yeah, she's fine. Um. I think because

603
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm friends with Lisa, there's never a chance for her

604
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: and I to form a friendship. She was nice to

605
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: me when I came on, and suddenly I just filled

606
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: this shift with her, and obviously her opinion about the

607
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: dream being poured on my head being fun and funny,

608
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: and uh, now I see what kind of person she is.

609
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: So her and I are very different, um, because I

610
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't find out funny and second of all, uh yeah,

611
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call her fun. She can be nice, she

612
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: hasn't been nice to me if if I look at

613
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, how she's talking about the dreamstuff. She's always

614
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: so serious, for sure, but now saying never because the

615
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: dynamics on this crazy franchise, and I thought we were

616
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: off to a great start, and then after you know,

617
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: I had Lisa's back, the dynamics shifted, so things are

618
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: not you know, I wouldn't say we are the best

619
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: of friends by any means. And then I have a question,

620
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: because this is a lot from our listeners. They are

621
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: constantly saying, why is it that on Beverly Do you

622
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: watch any other franchises? So why on Beverly Hills was

623
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: there so much discussion about Erica and her husband and

624
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 1: all the things playing out in the press and constantly

625
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: the women. I mean, for at least two seasons, the

626
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: women have just been on her about everything that's come up.

627
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: We're barely seeing anything with gen Sha. We're solely seeing

628
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: her talking about starting to take antidepressants her mental state.

629
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: But I don't really see any of you guys having

630
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: those tougher conversations. Was that something because you all were

631
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: just being respectful of the situation, or is it because

632
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: of fear or what do you think it is? Well,

633
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: first of all, I think because she was telling the friends,

634
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm innocent, I'm innocent. Um, when you have history with someone,

635
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: the right thing to do is have their back and

636
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: believe them, even though you might be questioning in your

637
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: mind is this true? Is she capable of something like this?

638
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: It was easy for Danna, I think because Dana had

639
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: zero history with her, so Danna could just you know,

640
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: speak her mind, speak her mind. But with the girls,

641
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: I think people were on eggshells. But you know, I

642
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: think by the end of the season, you see people,

643
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: even though she still has not pled guilty, based on

644
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: some of her actions, the girls are starting to question

645
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: her more and um starting to question her innocence more.

646
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of fear surrounding by

647
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: surrounded by Jen. I hate to say this, but I

648
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: think there's fear surrounding Jen and people's relationships with her

649
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: because nobody wants this person like screaming in their face

650
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: and calling them out and calling them every name in

651
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: the book, and you know, going at them. And that's

652
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: what I see with Meredith and Heather. It's like, are

653
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: you guys afraid of her? Like, why do you condone

654
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: her behavior. I'm not afraid of jen Um because I'm

655
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: a respected woman. Ladies. You know I'm not Um. You know,

656
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of her because I have the truth

657
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: on my side and I have facts on my side,

658
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: and so that's where it's different for me. But I

659
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: think there's been a lot of fear that people don't

660
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: want to film with her and have her screaming in

661
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: their face or be on her bad side. That must

662
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: not feel good, right, just to know that if I

663
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: say what I'm thinking, they've seen what she's capable, They've

664
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: they've seen how she gets in people's faces, they've seen

665
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: how she goes to people, and I think it creates

666
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: some fear in the back of their mind that like,

667
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in this position, so I'm

668
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: just not going to poke the bear. I'm going to

669
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: go along with her. I feel like she's going to

670
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: reactivate her Twitter again just to let us all have

671
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: it after after this podcast, right, I think that she

672
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I didn't watch that interview she

673
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: did because I'm not going to listen to anything that

674
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: negative about myself. But it sounds like she was negative

675
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: about you girls, and oh yes, like what I like spots,

676
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: but I mean the two pussies And I'm sorry me

677
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: being called wonderbread is what I got sent by texts,

678
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: like people kept saying, you're Greek. Why is she calling

679
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: you wonderbread button? Okay, I just that's what she does.

680
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: That's what makes her feel better. I spend time working

681
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: on my brand and building my own brand, and I

682
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: don't even drink her poison or listen to that stuff

683
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: because it's just too much and nobody believes her. Everybody

684
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: knows the truth. I was actually shocked that Shannon posted

685
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: a picture with her on her Instagram the other dance

686
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: like what she text me and said. I have actually

687
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: talked her since then. She's like I met Jen Shaw,

688
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: I go. I know, I saw, and she she was

689
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: really nice to go. She was nice to us too,

690
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: but be careful to be careful. Um, is there anything

691
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: because I know we have to wrap, but is there

692
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: anything you should tease for us that the rest of

693
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: the season or any juicy nuggets. Well, it's gonna continue

694
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: with high drama. There's a lot of you know, um

695
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: issues with friendships. The group's very divided, I think with

696
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: everything coming up with season finale. Uh, there's a lot

697
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: building up. There's a lot of people waiting in line too,

698
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: you know in a congolance, you know, the want to

699
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: want to hold Jen accountable and touched her about their issues.

700
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: There's other things in the friend groups that are building

701
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: up where there's drama that's going to be coming out.

702
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: It's it's it's pretty much, I think, on fire from

703
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: here on out the end. So it was like getting

704
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: dump just sort of started all the drama, and I

705
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: think the fire is going to continue, especially through the

706
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: rest of San Diego and on through the season finale.

707
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, refresh my memory. You guys do not

708
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: find out that Jen plays guilty until after you finished wrapped.

709
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: You wrapped that was in July and we wrapped in April. Well,

710
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: I hope to god the production came back and got

711
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: your guys expressions after finding out that she is guilty

712
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: or pleading guilty. Um, that would be my wish it

713
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: was a shocker. It was a shocker. I'm not gonna lie.

714
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: I was. I was actually so many emotions. I was sad,

715
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: I was mad, I was you got sad? Mad? I

716
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: felt lied to. I was sad for her family, for

717
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: her sons. I mean, as a mother, how can you

718
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: not feel bad? That's the last thing, right, I guess.

719
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I always wanted to believe in the good side of her,

720
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: that she was the person she told me she was,

721
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: she was the person that I was sitting here with

722
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: at my dining table until five in the morning. I

723
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: wanted to believe she was a person. So there was

724
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: a lot of disappointment. And and then where do people

725
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: find you so they can follow you and get to

726
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: know more about you as well? Oh thanks for asking.

727
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: Angie catsin Avis with the k k A. T Angie

728
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: catsin Avis is my handle, and I think I hope

729
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: you get to see more of me. I don't want to,

730
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, I know, well some peoples wanted a friend

731
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: of like, dumb yourself down, don't say anything. I'm being

732
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: my real self and reacting in a way that I

733
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: would in real life. And it's been fun and it's

734
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: been a major learning experience and the craziest thing I've

735
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: ever done. Well, we are predicting that big things are

736
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: to come for you. You are excited to keep watching.

737
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: And thank you for joining the twats. Thank you for

738
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: having me. It was anor and I love chatting with

739
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: you guys. And I'll see you at thermal in a

740
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: couple weeks. Well when you come out, because you guys,

741
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: you know when you met you were literally half a

742
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: mile from my house and sat sorry sorry, fighting myself

743
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: over next year, next time we're gonna be going out. Okay,

744
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: that sounds amazing. I'd love to spend time with Yes, nay,

745
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: thank you and you have a great day. Happy, happy holidays,

746
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: Happy holidays, guy than Tamil. We loved her. I can't

747
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: wait to get more details. But I have to tell

748
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: you something so random. So I went to tag Cove

749
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: and our our post from our Instagram, and I went

750
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: to tag Robin as well. She has tagging turned off.

751
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Robin Robin does Robin dickon. Oh my god, So that

752
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: must mean that she's getting so much happy like for

753
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: you to turn tagging off like Andy does it because

754
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: he just doesn't want Oh he doesn't have tagging off.

755
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: He has messaging me she has tagging off. That's like

756
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, a housewife is getting the vis I honestly

757
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: didn't even know that you could do that. I didn't know.

758
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: I obviously I guess she could, but I never even

759
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: looked into it. So no one can tag her because

760
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: she's probably tagger in the stories, but we couldn't do it.

761
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: So Robin, you know ebbs and flows. Believe me. I

762
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: think I've had to turn tagging off before as well.

763
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: So I've had to turn comment and off before, and

764
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: I think I have to turn comment in off in

765
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: a few scenes in season seven teams. I'm gonna have

766
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: to turn commenting off for TAM's behavior. Yes, we might

767
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: have to turn the podcast off because of my behavior,

768
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: just saying oh my gosh, well Tam, I hope that

769
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 1: you feel better. Went off to the Vegas. I gotta

770
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: get medication now, I have to. I have to be

771
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: in Vegas on Thursday. In my throat literally feels like

772
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: razor blades. Well, I'm glad I didn't see you then,

773
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: so but next week maybe we can. If you're feeling better,

774
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: we can see each other in person for one of

775
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: the pods and talk to you soon. We got Miami

776
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: coming up. You guys, don't forget to watch that. It

777
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: comes out on December. So excited about that. Okay, have

778
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: a good day. By m