1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: We're joined by Heather MacDonald, Manhattan Institute fellow author of 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: When Race, Trump's Merit and the War on Cops, particularly 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: apro pos in the light of today's discussion here. 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 3: Heather. Always great to have you on the program. 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Buck, It's great to be with 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 4: you guys. 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: So you must be watching this debate play out over 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: specifically the DC crime rate, but more broadly. Obviously, this 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: brings in a lot of arguments that you've heard from 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: the other side in the past and counter arguments that 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: you've been making. Are you surprised that it seems that 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: so many national level democrats have fallen into the trap 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: of defending the indefensible, which is the DC crime rate. 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: What's your perspective on this, Well, I. 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 4: Think this is one of the greatest moments of the 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 4: Trump presidency. His August eleventh Liberation Day speech just sent 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 4: chills down my spine, and I mean in a good way. 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 4: Words like we are not going to let it happen anymore. 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 4: We're not going to take it. We're not going to 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 4: lose our cities. We're taking our capital back. He has 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 4: finally broken fully with the dominant ideology in America, which 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 4: is to normalize the unacceptable, to define deviancy down and 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 4: Trump is saying, we are no longer going to make 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 4: excuses for crime. This is something we can control. The 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: Democrats have spent decades trying to write this off, to say, well, 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: it's just kind of a normal aspect of cities. A 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 4: lot of this, almost entirety of the criminal justice discourse 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 4: on the Democratic side is driven by race considerations. They've 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 4: of course played the race card here, So no, I'm 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: not surprised. It has just brought out their innate tendencies 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 4: to normalize crime in an extraordinarily vivid way, and they 34 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 4: are going to lose the debate. There's just no question. 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: You cannot. As you say, they are defending the indefensible. 36 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 4: Their argument is a set of non sequiturs. They say, well, 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: crime isn't bad in DC because it went down somewhat 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: last year. So what the fact is? Are you defending 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: three year olds being shot fatally in the head sitting 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: in their car, as has happened over the last couple 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: of years regularly. You cannot defend that. And yet that's 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 4: what the Democrats are doing, Heather. 43 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 5: I actually thought about you on Sunday when I read 44 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 5: the New York Times editorial which basically said, hey, Heather 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 5: McDonald was right about everything, without saying Heather McDonald was 46 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 5: right about everything. I don't know if you officially read 47 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 5: that editorial, but let me just read to you from 48 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 5: the New York Times Sunday, and I want to just 49 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 5: get your thoughts on the cultural winds shifting that would 50 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 5: allow this to occur. During this is the New York Times. 51 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: During the twenty twenty protests, many progressives embrace calls to 52 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 5: quote defund the police, including prominent Democrats Kamala Harris, AOC 53 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 5: Eric Garcetti, then mayor of Los Angeles, and the protesters 54 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 5: had an effect. Officers were disheartened by public criticisms, quit 55 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 5: their jobs, police departments had staffing shortages. Overall crime surged, 56 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 5: and Democrats have to recognize that they were responsible for 57 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 5: it and their arguments created this. Did you ever think 58 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 5: the New York Times would say this when it came 59 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 5: to policing? And what is the significance of them completely 60 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 5: abandoning the cultural arguments they were making? Certainly five years. 61 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: Ago well, the editorial board would appear to be a 62 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: little tiny island of sanity in the paper large because 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 4: their news coverage is continuing, yeah to harp on the 64 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: theme that Trump is a fascist by daring to talk 65 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: about crime in DC and worse, daring to do something 66 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 4: about it. And this is all just a race based 67 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: ploy to try and go after black cities. So there's 68 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 4: a there's an absolute split in sensibility there. But it 69 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 4: is a good thing. I'll take every win I can get. 70 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: It is a good thing that the editorial board has 71 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 4: put out a little, a little strand of sanity there 72 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 4: that says that the police are not the problem in 73 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: high crime communities. Criminals are. And when you demoralize the police, 74 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: when you delegitimate prosecution and arrests, there's only one thing 75 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 4: that's going to happen. You're not going to get peace, 76 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: You're going to get more criminal victimization. And if your 77 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 4: claim is and this is of course a complete hypocritical pose, 78 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: but if your claim is to care about black lives, 79 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: you have to support the police because they are the 80 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 4: strongest a agency in any city, in any state that 81 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: is dedicated to saving black lives. They make arrests, they 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 4: deter crime. The National Guard there is there now just 83 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 4: to crime. Further, it is not there as some kind 84 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 4: of occupying force. It is using its command presence, and 85 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 4: when the cops back off, criminals take over. I have 86 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: spent years going to police community meetings in high crime 87 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: narrative areas like the South Side of Chicago, or Central 88 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 4: Harlem or Brooklyn, and all I hear from the good, 89 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 4: law abiding black residents there, especially the elderly ladies in 90 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 4: these fantastic cats, is the police are our friends? Please 91 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 4: Jesus send more police. 92 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Heather McDonald with us here from the Manhattan Institute. 93 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: War on Cops is her excellent book. Heather, you are 94 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: somebody who also not just looks at the narratives, but 95 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: looks at the stats, the numbers, and have you been 96 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: able to I know it's hard at some level because 97 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: you have to rely on the DC crime stats from DC, right, 98 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: meaning that the police, if they're cooking the books, it 99 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: might be a little tough to see that because you 100 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: have to rely on the frontline numbers at some level 101 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: that they're putting out there. But have you looked into 102 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: that at all? Do you think it is possible and 103 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: or likely that this thirty percent crime drop, which as 104 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: you pointed out, isn't even really significant, but that that 105 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: thirty percent crime drop may be the result of some 106 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: fudging of the numbers. 107 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 4: I haven't looked into that personally. It is in line 108 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 4: with the crime drop that we're seeing in the rest 109 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: of the country. So if it were like twice as much, 110 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 4: that would be a real red flag. But I can say, 111 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: you know, there's constant pressure and ironically in the police 112 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 4: departments that are the best run, which means the ones 113 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 4: that are most aggressive towards their own police commanders, that 114 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 4: are demanding accountability, that are demanding that those account those 115 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 4: commanders have a plan for lowering crime, and the top 116 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 4: brash should be monitoring their numbers on a daily, if 117 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: not hourly basis. So those precinct commanders are in the 118 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: hot seat under what was known in New York City 119 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 4: as the CompStat system, They're going to feel the most 120 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: pressure to get their crime statistics down, and if they 121 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 4: don't have one hundred percent integrity, they're the more likely 122 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 4: to possibly declassify things, muck around with how you categorize crime. 123 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 4: The police departments that are lackadais agal that don't have 124 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 4: a strong commands structure, their PRECIN commanders are under less pressure. 125 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: So it's a weird thing, and it's something that departments 126 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: have to fight. The New York Police Department has a 127 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: whole unit dedicated to police integrity and going after corruption, 128 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: and it's not well loved in the department. But this 129 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 4: is a constant battle. I can't say in this case, 130 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: But again I would say that conservatives should not be 131 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: pulled into this game that the liberals are playing, which 132 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: is it well because crime dropped twenty seven percent last 133 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 4: year compared to its overwhelmingly high post George Floyd race, 134 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: riots thing that everything is okay, and conservatives saying, well, 135 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 4: it's still been Is that a true crime drop or not. 136 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: The fact is you can concede that crime has dropped 137 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: in the last two years in Washington, d C. And 138 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: still say so what, I don't care. Is it acceptable 139 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 4: that every single day in Washington, D C. There were 140 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: ten violent crimes, fourteen carthefts, three juvenile shot a day? 141 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: Is that acceptable? Is it acceptable that our homicide rate 142 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: is twenty seven times that of London's and sixty times 143 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: that of Switzerland? The only possible response is none of 144 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: that is acceptable. And that is what is so thrilling 145 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: about Trump's instincts. It's not even the details of the plan, 146 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 4: it's that he has instincts that are correct, which is 147 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: that any level of crime is not compatible with a 148 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 4: civilized society. Children being shot, cars being stolen, mass looting 149 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: going on, the carjackings, and it's overwhelmingly juvenile. Sixty percent 150 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 4: of a carjackings in DC are juveniles. Trump is correct, 151 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 4: they are not punished. In twenty twenty three, there were 152 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 4: five girls, ages twelve to fifteen who beat to death 153 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: a sixty four year old cancer victim weighing one hundred 154 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: and ten pounds. They filmed themselves laughing as they stomped 155 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: and beat them to death. None of them had long sentences. 156 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: The most their serving time is until they're twenty one. 157 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 4: Most of them will be out long before that. Trump 158 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 4: is absolutely right. DC has a soft on crime approach 159 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 4: that must change, just as every progressive prosecutor. It's all 160 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: driven by not wanting it to have a racial lead 161 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: disparate impact on black criminals. All law enforcement will simply 162 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: because the black crime rate is so high in DC, 163 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 4: Blacks commit about ninety six percent of all homicides even 164 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 4: though they are only forty three percent of the population. 165 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,239 Speaker 4: Whites commit just under over one percent of the homicides 166 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: though they're thirty nine percent. You do not that should 167 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 4: not affect how you enforce the law. You enforce the 168 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 4: law to protect the law abiding, not to protect the criminals. 169 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 5: Not only that, Heather, and the people who are the 170 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 5: victims overwhelmingly would be black too. So when you say, oh, 171 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 5: we're arresting people disproportionately for based on race, you're also 172 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 5: disproportionately protecting people who are race right, because most black 173 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 5: murder victims are going to be killed by black murder ers. 174 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 5: But last question for you here, and I love all 175 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 5: the data you provide, is there a city or a state, 176 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 5: based on the data that you have seen, that is 177 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 5: handling violent crime better than any others and it do 178 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 5: they have policies that should be replicated nationwide. We're fortunate 179 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 5: because we have these fifty different federal systems so we 180 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 5: can try experiments. And the idea is somebody in a 181 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 5: state does something good, hopefully it spreads. Is there any 182 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 5: one city or state that you would point to and say, 183 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 5: boy from a violent crime perspective. These guys and gals 184 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 5: are doing great. We should be copying more of what 185 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 5: they're doing nationwide. Any positive out there, Well. 186 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: Until recently, I would have said New York City because 187 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 4: of the CompStat Revolution, the accountability revolution, where police Chief 188 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 4: William Bratton followed up by William with we are going 189 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 4: to go. 190 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: Ahead, No no, I was a safer Kelly. I was 191 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: trying to give you the next commissioner, we go ahead, right. 192 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 4: Right, Kelly said, we are going to bring this down. 193 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 4: They brought They brought crime and homicides down eighty percent 194 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: by enforcing the law and above all by paying attention 195 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: to public disorder. That's why also the Trump initiative against 196 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: the encampments is so important, because this is something else 197 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: that simply should not be tolerated in the city. You 198 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: cannot have public space overcome by people urinating, defecating, shooting 199 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 4: up drugs in public. This is not acceptable. We cannot 200 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 4: define devancy down. So New York was very good in 201 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: paying attention to public order, in using its officers proactively 202 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: to use their powers of observation to stop people suspected 203 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 4: of carrying guns. It had an enormous effect they've backslid 204 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,119 Speaker 4: in recent years. Now they've got a pretty good commissioner, 205 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 4: Jessica Tish, So that's that's good. But it's a constant battle, 206 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 4: and you know, we need we need politicians to have 207 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: the basic expectation that crime is not normal. And again, 208 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 4: it just cannot be stated enough. Buck and Clay Trump's 209 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: Liberation Day speech could be epic changing if people get 210 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 4: rid of the idea that they should just accept squalor 211 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: disorder and violence as the normal part and also mass looting, 212 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 4: mass shoplifting as simply normal parts of American cities. 213 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald, everybody always excellent, Heather, Thank you so much, 214 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. 215 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 4: Buck and Clay. 216 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 5: Hey, Buck, one of my kids called me an unk 217 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 5: the other day, and unk yep slaying evidently for not 218 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 5: being hip, being an old dude. 219 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: So how do we un unky get. 220 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 5: More people to subscribe to our YouTube channel? 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As we finished the Thursday edition 230 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: of the program, this is Steve, who wants to talk 231 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 5: with you about your big flamingo discussion. 232 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: Yes day. Oh, let's hear it. Let's hear it. 233 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 6: Buck, check your history on the flamingos. I'm seventy years 234 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 6: old and as a kid before long before Miamivice came out, 235 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 6: I grew up thinking flamingos were from Florida. Chat GPT 236 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 6: says that they were native, but then when it almost extinct, 237 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 6: so check it out. 238 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 5: All right, all right, buddy, all right, I don't know 239 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 5: the answer here. I'm stepping out of this, Phray. This 240 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 5: seems pretty intense for me. 241 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: Go you know, when you make you know, the zoological 242 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: specificity necessary. 243 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: On this on this show is quite a thing. All right. 244 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: Let me let me just say this. This is what 245 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: the truth is as I understand it. 246 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: There were flamingos here. 247 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: They went extinct though for about two hundred years. Okay, 248 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: so they were gone in the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds, 249 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: and then they wouldn't weren't able to find any. And 250 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: then the twentieth century they started to try to reintroduce 251 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: some native colonies and now in Florida they're about one 252 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: hundred of them, but that they are doing better than 253 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: the dodo bird here, but not much better like they 254 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: weren't around. And like I said, the it was the 255 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: it was a flock of imported African pink flamingos in 256 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: Miami Vice that were not indigenous to Florida that got 257 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: everybody thinking about in the eighties of Florida and flamingos again, 258 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: they didn't have. 259 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: They have flamingos in Florida for over one hundred years 260 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: so and yet every everywhere you go there's flamingo. 261 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: This in flamingo that it's kind of weird, right, like 262 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: walking around Newfoundland being like, hey, the dodo birds. 263 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: Not as many dodo birds. 264 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 5: I'll tell you this. All over northern Michigan they've got 265 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 5: bear in every business, streets named after bear. I don't 266 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 5: think there's any bear left up here, by the way, 267 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 5: Jody Jody says, love the show they used to have 268 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 5: flaminga you got lit up by flamingo. People out there 269 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 5: also saying the same thing. They were decimated for the 270 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 5: feathers used in women's hats back in the day. That's 271 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 5: why they killed all the flamingos off in Florida. So 272 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 5: I don't know, sir, you better step check yourself before 273 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 5: you step into flamingo wars. 274 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: Well, I'm just they were gone though. 275 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: That's my point is that there were no flamingos, and 276 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: everyone's talking about flamingos all the time. 277 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: The only flamingos you're gonna see in Florida are the lawn. 278 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: Ornaments out there. I'm just telling you, guys the truth. 279 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: You can come at me with whatever you like. 280 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 281 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 2: We're joined by Senator Eric Schmidt of the Great State 282 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: of Missouri. He's also got a new book out, The 283 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: Last Line of Defense Had to Beat the Left in Court. 284 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: It is out today. Senator Schmidt, thanks for being here 285 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 2: with us. 286 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 7: Up with you, guys. 287 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk a little bit if we can about 288 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 2: law enforcement, because you were the attorney general in your 289 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: state of Missouri. Now, Saint Louis has had a crime 290 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 2: problem for quite some time, and I'm sure that was 291 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: a focus of some of your efforts at the state level, 292 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 2: if you had the writ, the support, the backing of 293 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: the federal government, whatever could be brought to bear Trump 294 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: administration saying, let's clean up crime in Saint Louis and 295 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: we'll give you whatever resources you need at the federal 296 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: level to do it. Could you do it? What would change? 297 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: How would it work? 298 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 6: Well? 299 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 7: I think one thing is you'd give some of the 300 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 7: central lawns forcement officials out of Washington, d C and 301 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 7: get them out into the country. I think Cash Hotel's 302 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 7: talked about this, and I think senior leadership and Department 303 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 7: of Justice just talked about this. So there's just too many, honestly, 304 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 7: of those folks are in d C and they're not helping, 305 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 7: you know, take out the bad guys across the country. Sadly, 306 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 7: they're spending a lot of their time. And we talk 307 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 7: about it in the book Last Line of Defense, in 308 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 7: the censorship effort, Russia Gate, all this nonsense, all the 309 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 7: man hour has been wrapped up in this political you know, 310 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 7: weaponization of the DOJ as opposed to fighting crime. The 311 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 7: other thing is one of the things that we did 312 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 7: when I was an attorney generals relatively what was unprecedent 313 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 7: at the time. We created something called the Safer Strengths 314 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 7: Initiative where we had Deputy Attorney generals in our office 315 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 7: deputized as assistant US attorneys. So we added the capacity 316 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 7: of prosecuting federal crime. When you have let's just say, 317 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 7: you have a prosecutor in Saint Louis and she's gone, 318 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 7: but Kim Gardner was a Soros backed prosecutor. If they 319 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 7: don't want to do their job, then we worked with 320 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 7: the US attorneys to go take on carjackings and things 321 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 7: like that. Really successful program. When Biden came in, ironically, 322 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 7: he scrapped the program because he just you know that 323 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 7: this just was not their focus. So I'm glad President 324 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 7: Trump's in there. I'm glad you know he's getting his 325 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 7: US attorneys. That's going to be kind of next up 326 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 7: when we get back to get these US attorneys in 327 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 7: place across the country, and I think that'll help. 328 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 5: Are you stunned that Democrats seem unable to break the 329 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 5: reflexive opposition to anything Trump says, even when he says 330 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 5: things that are super super popular with most normal people 331 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 5: in the country. Keep men out of women's sports, let's 332 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 5: have less violent crime in Washington, d C. Hey, I'm 333 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 5: trying to do whatever I can to stop people from 334 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 5: getting killed in Ukraine in the war there. All of 335 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 5: these things don't seem particularly political to me. Yet Democrats 336 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 5: have so brought into Trump is hitler, Trump is going 337 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 5: to start World War three, whatever negative you want to 338 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 5: associate it with it that they seem unable to acknowledge 339 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 5: that he actually has a lot of good ideas. 340 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's less political play and it's more psychological. 341 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 7: At this point, it truly is. It truly is a 342 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 7: psychosis and Trump arrangement syndrome is real, and it manifests 343 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 7: itself in just some crazy ways. I mean, you gave 344 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 7: a couple of examples. They're already actually taking criminals off 345 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 7: the streets in Washington, DC. Carjackings have been up five 346 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 7: hundred plus percent in five years. Clearly something needs to 347 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 7: be done, but they don't want them to do it. 348 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 7: You've got it president who has the confidence and the 349 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 7: strength to actually try to broker a deal to end 350 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 7: the bloodiest war in Europe since World War Two, and 351 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 7: they just tried to undercut them at every turn. And 352 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 7: I think the classic example, which is why I don't 353 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 7: think they've hit rock bottom yet. Is this issue of 354 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 7: illegal immigration. I mean, they cannot help themselves. Chris van 355 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 7: Holland goes to El Salvador and has Margarita's with an 356 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 7: MS thirteen member because they hate Trump so much. It's bizarre, 357 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 7: But I think they've got a couple more election cycles 358 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 7: in them. They're going to continue to lose before they 359 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 7: wake up. And this is just no longer the party 360 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 7: Ferry Truman or even Bill Clinton. This has been captured 361 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 7: by the radical left. 362 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: Now, you were part of some of the battles, legal 363 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: battles that the well, the forces of constitutionalism and the 364 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: rule of law, but also Republicans and Trump supporters were 365 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: involved in recent years. I know that's something you deal 366 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: with in the book. 367 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: How should we. 368 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: View the fact that they brought four criminal cases against 369 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: a president. They held those prosecutions specifically so they would 370 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: occur in an election year. I mean, on the one hand, Senator, 371 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: it's well, Trump is president and all's well, that ends well. 372 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: But in the other hand, that is a shocking precedent, 373 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: breach betrayal, I would say, of the American people's trust, 374 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: and they actually did it. I feel like we're still 375 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: processing that that happened, because it happened so recently. 376 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, And one of the reasons why I wrote last 377 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 7: line of Sense, which you can get on Amazon right now, 378 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 7: is there is a tendency, guys, I think too now 379 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 7: that we're past the fever dream the fever broke, I 380 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 7: think in November twenty twenty four of this kind of crazy, 381 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 7: woke nonsense and the lawfair that was brought against President 382 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 7: Trump to throw him in jail for the rest of 383 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 7: his life. There's a tendency to kind of gloss all 384 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 7: that over. But you got to remember the dark days, 385 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 7: and I was on your show talking about this was 386 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 7: why I think your audience really liked the book. This 387 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 7: was a time of lockdowns, compulsory COVID shots, open borders, 388 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 7: DEI struggle, sessions, ESG requirements, and a censorship enterprise so 389 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 7: vast that the Biden administration instituted that was the biggest 390 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 7: affront of the First Amendment in American history. This is 391 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 7: all just like in a four year period of time 392 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 7: where they opened up the floodgates on all this and 393 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 7: we had to push back. And so while President Trump 394 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 7: was out of power, we were able to kind of 395 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 7: hold the line on a lot of this for the 396 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 7: cavalry to arise. In November of last year, it did arrive, 397 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 7: and President Trump finished this, you know, epic historic comeback, 398 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 7: and we're talking about all the good things that Clay 399 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 7: you just mentioned they're happening that Democrats are still opposed to. 400 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 7: But there's a lot of important lessons learned. I mean, 401 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 7: whether it was you know, we took that vaccine mandate case, 402 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 7: always from court, we won. We took the Missouri took 403 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 7: the student on depth forgiveness case, always from court, we won. 404 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 7: I sued fifty plus school districts in Missouri for their 405 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 7: forced mass mandates. We won. We had the censorship case. 406 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 7: And what that shows and what the story is so important. 407 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 7: It's kind of behind the scenes look at what was 408 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 7: it like to take the duppel of Anthony Fauci, What 409 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 7: was it like to take the deposition of Elvis Chan 410 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 7: at the FBI who was pre bunking the Hunter Biden 411 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 7: laptop story. We did all that. The point is you 412 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 7: got to have courage. It's a lot easier to just 413 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 7: go to ribbon cuttings or just kind of walk along 414 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 7: than it is. We got to stand up and fight. 415 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 7: And President Trump, I think has transformed the Republican Party 416 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 7: now certainly from the one that I grew up in 417 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 7: into much more not just a working class party, but 418 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 7: a party that's just not going to lie down. We're 419 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 7: going to stand up, We're going to fight back, and 420 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 7: if we do it, we can actually win. So the 421 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 7: book is kind of a playbook on how we did 422 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 7: it then and how we can do it moving forward. 423 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 5: Okay, I love everything that's happening now. I think most 424 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 5: people out there listening do as well. Here's my concern. 425 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 5: And you know this better than anybody, because you were 426 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: involved in so many of these lawsuits. All of a sudden, 427 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 5: it's acceptable to say, hey, we believe in the marketplace 428 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 5: of ideas. Hey, we shouldn't be rigging the algorithms. Hey 429 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 5: we shouldn't be artificially inserting ourselves into the public discourse 430 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 5: and manipulating the results. Yet twenty twenty one, every social 431 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 5: media company in America ban Donald Trump from getting on 432 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 5: I like to joke because it kind of brings it home. 433 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 5: Pinterest banned Donald trumpest like he couldn't share his scrap 434 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 5: book collages for people out there. How do we stop 435 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 5: this from happening when Trump isn't in office and may 436 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 5: ensure that what we are doing now is going to 437 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 5: extend into the future no matter who the president happens 438 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 5: to be. 439 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 7: Well, a couple things. One is I think there has 440 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 7: to be accountability for some of these actions. I think 441 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 7: the most I have an op at about this. I 442 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 7: think you can draw a straight line, like ironically Obama 443 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 7: has has immunity because of the case that that was 444 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 7: brought against President Trump presidential meday. But but but Clapper doesn't, 445 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 7: Brennan doesn't, Komy doesn't, And if you can prove beyond this, 446 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 7: you have a statue limitation issues. But you don't if 447 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 7: there's a conspiracy and it was an ongoing conspiracy, because 448 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 7: if you like the fuse in a conspiracy, whatever happens 449 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 7: a mile down the road, you're still responsible for. And 450 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 7: these guys knew it was fake, they knew it was BS. 451 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 7: They laundered that stupid Steele dossier into an actual intelligence report, 452 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 7: and they tried to not only a cub but tried 453 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 7: to sideline an entire first term of a president. And 454 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 7: then of course that was the impetus for all of 455 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 7: the Oh, this is Russian disinformation. This is Russian misinformation. 456 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 7: Everything was about Russian this, Russian that, even though it 457 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 7: was all bs and so I don't think we should 458 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 7: just forget about that. I think there have to be repercussions. 459 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 7: And as far as like social media companies, you guys 460 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 7: know this, it's a good thing that they have some 461 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 7: thing called Section two thirty protections, meaning they're a platform 462 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 7: not a publisher, meaning they're not legally responsible if somebody has, 463 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 7: you know, an opinion that you disagree with on that platform. 464 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 7: That's good for free speech, but you don't get to 465 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 7: have it both ways. You don't get the multi billion 466 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 7: dollar subsidy of being a platform where you can't be sued, 467 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 7: but then also try to manipulate what's on your platform 468 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 7: in an editorial like decision. So I think they got 469 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 7: to pick, and if they pick the wrong one, then 470 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 7: you're a publisher. You don't have the protections. I also 471 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 7: think a reform that will be important that I talk 472 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 7: about in the book two is these individual bureaucrats. If 473 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 7: you're engaged in suppressing somebody's First Amendment rights, you individually 474 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 7: ought to be able to be sued. There ought to 475 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 7: be an individual right of an action for an American 476 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 7: citizen to sue you for suppressing your speech about you know, 477 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 7: questioning masks and how they work for kids or not. 478 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 7: That would change the kind of risk dynamic that currently works. 479 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 7: Because as you guys know that beercrafts aren't accountable to anybody, 480 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 7: we need to start making them accountable to real people. 481 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 7: So there's a few things that we can do. But 482 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 7: you know what we saw, guys in that four year 483 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 7: in particular, if that was going on somewhere else, like 484 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 7: you know, the law their and the censorship and all 485 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 7: this mass migration, all this stuff that is being used 486 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 7: with tax thir dollars to fund, you know, we would 487 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 7: be the State Department would be warning American citizens about 488 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 7: that place. But that was happening here. And again, the 489 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 7: story of the Last Line of Defense, which you can 490 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 7: get on Amazon now, is about standing up, pushing back. 491 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 7: If you do it, if you've got the courage, that 492 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 7: you can win. And this is a playbook of how 493 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 7: conservatives moving forward can can fight and win in the courts, 494 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 7: which we've always kind of resisted because we thought that 495 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 7: was their terrain. 496 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 5: Okay, procedurally, you're an expert on this Democrats have a 497 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 5: huge advantage in DC because they have basically a ninety 498 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 5: five percent approval rating in DC, they can get any 499 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 5: indictment they want. How do you deal with that if 500 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 5: you're talking about bringing conspiracy charges? I don't need like 501 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 5: a you know, law review analysis style, but just for 502 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 5: me and people out there who have a general sense 503 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 5: that this is a problem, how do you rectify that? 504 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 7: Well, once you have a conspiracy moving forward, it doesn't 505 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 7: just exist exclusively in Washington, DC. It emanates out. So 506 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 7: for example, which and I'm just using this potentially as 507 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 7: an example, but let's just say that the raid at 508 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 7: mar A Lago was really about getting documents back that 509 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 7: they thought President Trump had as related to the Steele Dosia. 510 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 7: I'm just throwing out a scenario, yesh Epathetically, of course, 511 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 7: if that were the case, you've got Southern Florida's where 512 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 7: you can issue indictments. Because again, remember if Jack Smith 513 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 7: is using a phony intelligence report that was generated by 514 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 7: Brennan and Kobe and Clapper, like they begin in the 515 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 7: conspiracy process, and he's furthering the conspiracy in South Florida. Again, 516 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 7: the jurisdiction that you can kind of work in gets 517 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 7: much broader, and I think that's one area that they 518 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 7: might they might look at. 519 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: Senator appreciate you being with us. I just want to 520 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: tell everybody one last time go check out the book 521 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: which is out today, the Senators new book. Very important, 522 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: very good stuff, The Last Line of Defense, How to 523 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: beat the Left in Court. Appreciate you, sir. 524 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 7: All right, guys stick here, Thank you. 525 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: You're enjoying the best of program with Clay Travis and 526 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. 527 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: I feel pretty good about the difficulty of anybody getting 528 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 5: out of Alligator Alcatraz as a Floridian? Are you one 529 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 5: hundred percent behind this idea? 530 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: Certainly getting a lot of attention, and you need places 531 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: where you can hold people, quickly process them and then 532 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: get those deportation proceedings going. You know, you look at 533 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 2: the numbers, and I know the Trump administration is moving 534 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: rapidly on this stuff, but when you see the flood 535 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: that happened under Biden in four years, it's going to 536 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: take some real doing here to begin to really chip 537 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: away at the illegal invasion that happened in the country. 538 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think about you. 539 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: Know, alligators there, you know, during the daytime, they'll leave 540 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: you alone. For the most part not too bad. It's 541 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: really at night. You wouldn't want to be trying to 542 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: go up to like chest deep water in the Everglades 543 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: and hope that you don't make some new friends you 544 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: weren't intending on. That would be tough. 545 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 5: There's also crocodiles and as he mentions, pythons, anacondas. There's 546 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 5: like basically anything can live in the Everglades. And they 547 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 5: do these python searches. I mean there are twenty foot pythons. 548 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: Now they do pythonnts. Yeah, well those are an invasive 549 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: species brought here as pets. The pythons are pets that 550 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: were brought here and released. Iguanas were pets that were 551 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: brought here and release. The iguanas are everywhere. You'll see 552 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: all over the place here. A lot of the smaller 553 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: lizards as well. They're not indigenous to South Florida. They 554 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: were brought here as pets. So that's why when you 555 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: go to places and they say did you bring any 556 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: like animals or livestock products or whatever, because if you 557 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: introduce some of these things into the ecosystem, I think 558 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: lionfish as well, which you can go and you can 559 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: kill as many lionfish as you want down here in Florida, 560 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: and you can. I think you can eat them. They 561 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: have a spot on them. They're very poisonous. Parrots are 562 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: I live next to flocks of wild parrots now, they're 563 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: all over the place here. Those were brought here as pets. 564 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: So a lot of stuff that you think of, and 565 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: you know what is not native to Florida or you 566 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: will not find in Florida. 567 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 3: Flamingos. Have I talked to you about this before? 568 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: People think of there are thousands of businesses and places. 569 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: There's a flamingo park here in Miami Beach. Flamingo is 570 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: everywhere as a concept in Florida. Flamingo lawn ornaments, we've 571 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: all seen them. 572 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 3: Clay. 573 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: The flamingos that most people think of when they think 574 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: of Miami were actually a flock of flamingos brought from 575 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: Africa at the racetrack in the intro of Miami Vice. 576 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: And everyone thought from that show, because there's flamingos at 577 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: the racetrack, there must be flamingos in Florida. There are 578 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: very rare, like a handful of occasions where they think 579 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: that maybe during severe weather, flamingos have basically been like 580 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: blown here, but there are there are not indigenous flamingos 581 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: and any numbers in Florida, which I think even shocks 582 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: some Floridians when they find out. 583 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 5: The most successful, most liked invasive species in American history 584 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 5: bees they did. 585 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 586 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 5: People don't realize it. There were no bees, no honey 587 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 5: bees in the United States or in the Americas until 588 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 5: they were brought over from Europe. By the way, another 589 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 5: crazy one tomatoes not native to Italy. 590 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 3: We all think. 591 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 5: About tomatoes like because so much of their cuisine involves 592 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 5: tomatoes not native. 593 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: So they say now that they think there are up 594 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: to one hundred flamingos in the state of Florida that 595 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: may have been blown here during Hurricane Idalia, but there 596 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 2: was There's been a long period where there were no 597 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: wild flamingos here. So now there's like a very small 598 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: colony of them. But it's you know, I always I'm 599 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: down here. You see pelicans all over the place. Yeah, 600 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: they're not as famous, but flamingos are the things you 601 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: think of as Florida. They're not really here. But yeah, 602 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: so that's it's like the state bird for a state 603 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: that barely has any of these birds