1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: I say it all the time. 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: The smartest panel in the baseball podcast Universe Universe easy 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: for me to say. Jim Hayes alongside Lancelin, Kyle Gibson, 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: and Matt Holliday, who's on the road again. Can't wait 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: to get on. 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Matt. You are en route from Tulsa to home? Is 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: that correct? 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: That is correct. We made a trip over to Tulsa 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 3: this morning. 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 4: The boys did some running with a running coach, and 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 4: so you. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: Get to look at me in a car. I like, 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: I like this. 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 4: I like to be in the car if it's kind 16 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 4: of my uh my stick is to do the podcast 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 4: from the car, super professional. 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: It's good, this is my car. But I got a chauffeur. 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: Whoops. Hello. 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want to be any part of this. 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to be any part of this. Lanceoln 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 1: how are you doing today? 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 5: Always great, Jim, great to see you. 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: Kyle gibbson healthiest option? 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 3: Is it Star Wars? 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 6: Then definitely not the healthiest options for sure. 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: I'm doing good. 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: Jim, good to see you. 29 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: Uh so where are we? Where are we going to eat? Now? Man? 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: What's going on. 31 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: Boys are picking up some Starbucks. Okay, all right, I 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: remember probably some egg bites. 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: I don't know what they're getting, but yeah, they needed 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: a post run snack. 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, fair enough. 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: Uh So we've talked about pretty much every. 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, he is the bacon egg bites. I 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: can mute myself. I mean, that might be the best 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: thing to hear. 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: I want to hear the. 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: VENTI yes, can you sweeten it with honey? 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: Please? 43 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 5: Just a touch? 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 7: Do you want syney? 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: Just the natural honey packets? How many? Maybe like two weeks? 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 3: Riveting riveting content? 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: Listen, we have future superstars placing an order. 48 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: What other podcast is one? 49 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, why don't you, Matt, why don't you 50 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: a mute for a second. 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: I'll wave you back in although coming you. 52 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 5: Can have both coming a couple of honey packets. 53 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: Here we go. 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: Tell us we've talked about pretty much every single player 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: on the Cardinal roster, right, and we've done it as 56 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: another podcast, as Cardinal Territory. I want to talk about 57 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: a guy that I don't think we've touched on enough, 58 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: and that would be Victor Scott the second. This is 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: a young guy who in one season in the minors 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: still ninety four bases didn't hit a lot last year, 61 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: but we saw as the season progress his defense and 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: his confidence in terms of getting good jumps on the 63 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: ball really take off and he became a defensive weapon. 64 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start with Lance Lint. You know, Victor 65 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: Scott the second you know what he brings to the table. 66 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Just your thoughts on what he might be in terms 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: of the future and the Cardinals organization. 68 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 5: I mean, you're looking at just the glove itself if 69 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 5: you want to start there, right, How how well he 70 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 5: can play center field. He's gold Glove caliber. So the 71 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 5: main thing is gonna be like, how can we get 72 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 5: him on base, and how can we get him to 73 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 5: you know, be able to use the you know, use 74 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 5: the feed on the base. So the big thing I 75 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 5: think is, you know, you get him to control control 76 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 5: the strike zone, you know, put the ball on the ground, 77 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 5: you know, try to you know, hit extra base hits 78 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and and try to stay stay 79 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: away from the ball in the air. So he's got 80 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 5: all the tools for all that, and he just needs 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 5: to play, you know, I liken it to the worst case, 82 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 5: He's Billy Hamilton. Worst case scenario, that's Billy Hamilton. Billy 83 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 5: Hamilton was a had a good career, but I think 84 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 5: that there's more ceiling than that. It's just he's got 85 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 5: to play and he's got to get used to you 86 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 5: know what it takes day in and day out to 87 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 5: be prepared. You know, he's got to put the ball 88 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 5: in play, not strike out, control the strike zone and 89 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 5: see if he can get his walks and things of 90 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 5: like that. And then next thing, you know, you know, 91 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that he can do well 92 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 5: and cause havoc on the field, and you know there's 93 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 5: this guy's the limit for that kid because he wants 94 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 5: to be great. So just giving him the opportunity to 95 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 5: give him the right people around him to make that happen. 96 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: And Cal, I know you follow the Cardinals closely, did 97 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: you guys the improvement that I think a lot of 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: people saw Kyle did you did you see Victor Scott 99 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: the second take it to the next level? 100 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think his defense is something that 101 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 6: is game changing. You know, when when you can steal 102 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 6: extra base hits at the clip that he does, it's 103 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 6: a big deal. Not only for a pitching staff or 104 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 6: just as as the inning progresses. Right, Yeah, I mean 105 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 6: I think offensively. I don't know all of all of 106 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 6: where he ended up offensively, but I mean I think 107 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 6: there's always room to grow for guys, especially as they're 108 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 6: young in their career. And I mean I think as 109 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 6: you dig into certain things, I'm trying to look at 110 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 6: it right now. You know, as you dig into certain things, 111 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 6: like Lance said, like strikeouts and walks, you know, if 112 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 6: you can flip some of those, I think that's a 113 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 6: big deal, because a walk becomes a double, a single 114 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 6: becomes a double in a lot of Instanceance he swiped 115 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 6: thirty four bags, which is a lot. He walked forty 116 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 6: two times on hundred and So, you know, I think 117 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 6: Vic is a guy that I've mentioned it earlier a 118 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 6: few months ago, as he was really asking me in 119 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, you know, how does Cedric Mullens become 120 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 6: a really good lead off there? 121 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: And what makes him really good? 122 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 6: That type of question is very indicative of a player 123 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 6: that wants to get better, wants to be the best 124 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 6: version of himself, and is looking at the right players 125 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 6: to model. 126 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 3: His game after. 127 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 6: So you know, I think Vic has a lot of 128 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 6: ceiling ahead of him as he keeps working and likely 129 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 6: I said, figure out the. 130 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 2: Strikes, Matt. 131 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: I think it's important for a player to realize that's 132 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: my dog stella. I think it's important for a player 133 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: to recognize what his strengths, what his weaknesses are. Right, 134 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: And with a guy like Victor Scott, the second you 135 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: got to eliminate the strikeouts and as Lance put so, well, 136 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: you don't want the ball in the He recognizes that, 137 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: and I think we saw him make some of those adjustments. 138 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think Look, I think obviously we 139 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: know he plays really good defense. I think he I 140 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 4: think as he gets into the twenty five, twenty six, 141 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 4: twenty seven age season, I think it's just a matter 142 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: of how well his offensive game can develop, And it 143 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 4: depends on whether he'll be an everyday player or more 144 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: of a platoon defensive replacement type of player. I mean, 145 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: I think when you have that kind of speed, uh, 146 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 4: he's gonna have a role on a team for a 147 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: long time. But I think the next couple of years 148 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 4: will tell us whether or not whether he can be 149 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 4: counted on to, you know, be an everyday center fielder 150 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: in the major leagues. So I think it'll be interesting 151 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: to see how he can develop offensively and what the 152 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: next even this year, I think, uh, how he learns, 153 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 4: how he grows as a hitter, Like you guys talked 154 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: about getting on base a little bit more, striking out 155 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: a little bit less. Does he have a plan on 156 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: how to make adjustments, What kind of adjustments is he 157 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 4: getting from from the organization, and then just the maturation 158 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 4: of of accumulating big lea get bats will will that 159 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: be helpful and making him more of a you know, 160 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: an everyday solid major league offensive player, because like you said, 161 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: the defense and the base running is plus and so. 162 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: It's a it has a role. 163 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 4: It just I just have to see how well how 164 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 4: well is offensive game continues to develop. 165 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: And we've seen signs that it's starting to get there. 166 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I wish he'd work on bunting too. That's such a 167 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: valuable tool to have in the old toolbox. I wanted 168 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: to also ask you guys about the the Cardinal bullpen. 169 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: You know, once Halsey was traded away, the young guys 170 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: stepped up and the bullpen was really really good, and 171 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: some guys really took the opportunity and ran with it. 172 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: So I mean you got Swonson out there. Jojo is 173 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: a veteran who also pitched very very well. 174 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: You have O'Brien. 175 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: So Lance, I'm gonna ask you, do you think that 176 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: one of those guys will be closing games for the 177 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals in the upcoming season. Will it be someone else 178 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: or will it be possibly shared responsibilities and mix and match. 179 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: How do you see it? 180 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 5: I would to be honest with you, if you're looking 181 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 5: at the market and the I say in the back 182 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 5: end market, you probably want to go get a someone 183 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 5: that you can say kind of slot in there and 184 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 5: be like, hey, he's our guy. That's why I'm all for, 185 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 5: say Helsley coming back. You know, if he's if he's 186 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 5: good for one year or whatever, it may be, just 187 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 5: because it gives you a proven back in. And then 188 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: if you have those guys in your seven eight roles 189 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 5: where you can mix and match in throughout the year 190 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 5: where you are and then also where they can jump 191 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 5: in and closer spots when their area the lineup comes 192 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 5: up to best suit them. But if you don't get 193 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: a Hellsley type of guy, you have multiple guys that 194 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 5: you can throw in in there quote unquote blocks of 195 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 5: the uh, the lineup that you're facing that day. So 196 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 5: I don't know if there's gonna have to be a 197 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 5: set closer role. I think there's gonna be a hey, seven, eight, nine, 198 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 5: here's our blocks of when you can go in and 199 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 5: here's you know, are kind of our plan. There's no 200 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 5: closer role. It's best suited for for your skill set 201 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 5: to get the you know quality three outs would be 202 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 5: my guess unless they get a bona fide back end 203 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 5: saves guy like Helsley. 204 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: What would you uh, what would you like to see 205 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson? And how do you think it will shake out? 206 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's a tough one. You know, Jojo 207 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 6: and and Riley both had great years. You know, I 208 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 6: just kind of pulling it up here because I don't 209 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 6: know all the ins and outs. But interesting thing about 210 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 6: Riley is just a little bit of reverse splits on 211 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 6: batting average against lefties. He's got the high ground ball 212 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 6: and he gets a strikeout for nine. But I think 213 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 6: we all can probably agree that the ninth inning is 214 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,599 Speaker 6: a different animal. There's just a lot more pressure on 215 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 6: the line. You know, you're gonna be in there in 216 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 6: a close game where one swing can change the game. 217 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,359 Speaker 6: So I mean, I think obviously Jojo probably has that 218 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 6: that experience and that pedigree at the back end to 219 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 6: probably be the guy that starts. Both of those guys 220 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 6: have incredible stuff. By the way, I don't think this 221 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 6: is a stuff question. This is like, you know, who 222 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 6: is maybe best suited right now if they don't go 223 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 6: get a guy. Maybe Jojo just because of the time 224 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 6: that he's been down there. But I think Riley is 225 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 6: definitely a guy that is, you know, surprising people last 226 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 6: year and looks like he has that back end ability. 227 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: A lot of guys with stuff out there. 228 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: I like Swanson based on the fact that ever since 229 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: the Cardinals got him, he was a leverage guy. He 230 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: was closing out games and he was nasty last year. 231 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Matt Holliday, who do you think is gonna end up 232 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: being the Cardinal closer? 233 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 4: I mean, I would guess if I had to say 234 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: right now, it'll probably be a combination of who they have. 235 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 4: Probably situationally, I don't I don't see them going out 236 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 4: and signing. 237 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 3: Somebody that you would bring in and say here's our guy. Uh. 238 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: I don't know that how many are out there. 239 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 4: I haven't looked at the free agent market for closers, 240 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: but I doubt they're bringing Helsley back. Obviously Diez is 241 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 4: probably not coming in, so I would guess that it's 242 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: probably by committee until somebody on the current staff sort 243 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 4: of takes over that role and becomes maybe stands out 244 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 4: in spring training and then maybe in the you know, 245 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: you give a guy a go the first week or 246 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 4: two of the season. If he does well, he keeps it. 247 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 4: If it's a little up and down, uh, maybe play 248 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 4: matchups and if you have you know, like you have 249 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: u Jojo, you have a left piso. Maybe if they 250 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: have left hand hitters coming up in the ninth that's ten. 251 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 4: And then you mentioned some other right handed guys, So 252 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 4: I would I would suspect that it's probably somebody on 253 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 4: the staff this year and probably a group effort. 254 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, could be mixing match now. The name Ryan Helsley 255 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: came up a few times. There's news as to how 256 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: he may handle his future. We will get to that 257 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: when we come back with more of Cardinal Territory. Hey, miss, 258 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: very big news. 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It sounded like they 293 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 6: sped my voice up like the guy at the end. 294 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 6: All right, I guess I'm gonna work on that because 295 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 6: I sounded like the guy that was reading the Gambler's 296 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 6: anonymous number. 297 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: Well, there's a Gambler's, not us. There is Stella. Please. 298 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: There is a ton of baseball knowledge on the panel. 299 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: I don't have any of it, but I am a broadcaster, 300 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: so mine was delivered perfectly with no need to edit. 301 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: We mentioned Ryan Helsley and the news came out. I 302 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: don't take it that seriously. I'm going to go back 303 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: in the same order, though, lance that maybe Ryan Helsley 304 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: could consider becoming a starter he was earlier in his career, 305 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: certainly has a number of pitches that would play as 306 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: a starter. But when I read that, I thought to myself, Gee, 307 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: this is a guy who set the Cardinal franchise record 308 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: for saves, who was good as a closer last year. 309 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: He's going to be in demand. He's gonna get the bag. 310 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: As Kyle Gibson likes to say, as as a closer. 311 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: The thing messed up in New York when the when 312 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: the Mets said, oh no, you're gonna be a setup guy. 313 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: It didn't work out that way. But this guy is 314 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: still one of the elite closers in the league. Isn't 315 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: that his lane? 316 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. 317 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 5: I think this might be more of a play to 318 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 5: use the market to maybe get some more dollars as 319 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 5: a closer. You know, this is this time of year, 320 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 5: or you know in free agency, there's going to be 321 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 5: things that pop up that are making you look more valuable. 322 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 5: And it depends on who's talking what here and this 323 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 5: and that. So hell, last year there was rumor that 324 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 5: I was going to be that I could go back 325 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 5: to closing, and that was never going to happen. So 326 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 5: there's just that's just part of free agency at this time. Now, 327 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 5: could he do it? I think there's a possibility that 328 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 5: he's capable of. I see him as a back end 329 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 5: guy as a closer. I think the way that he 330 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 5: kind of performs in his innings and stuff like that, 331 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 5: it doesn't it doesn't match to be able to throw 332 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 5: six innings as a starter. But that's you know, especially 333 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 5: with what he's able to do in the closer role 334 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 5: and what he did for the Cardinals in twenty four 335 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: to fourth. So I think this could be just a 336 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: little gamesmanship to get the market moving and maybe a 337 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: little bit more dollars to be a closer. 338 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: All right, that was my bad spreading the false mum 339 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: or about you coming back as a closer. I apologize, 340 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: but I'm probably gonna be right. There was a conversation. 341 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: There was a conversation, so it is based in reality. Yeah, 342 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, do you think you could close? The 343 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: answer was yes, and then everyone's like, hey, he might 344 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: he might be a closer this year. 345 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 5: So that was it. But I can only get you 346 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 5: three outs, Holly. Holly knows that, so is Kyle. If 347 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 5: you tell me I need to get you three outs. 348 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 5: I can get you three outs right now. 349 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: Holiday is that true? Can he get three outs right now? 350 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: I mean right now? 351 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 4: I mean it depends on who they're against exactly. You 352 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 4: can't get the three He could get the three of 353 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 4: us out right now. 354 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 6: I can get you three outs? 355 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: Am I wrong to think Kyle Gibson? Though, if you've 356 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: established yourself at the very top of the closer's mountain, 357 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: that you're suddenly going to try to reinvent yourself as 358 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: a starter. Doesn't that seem like that would be counterproductive? 359 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: Well? 360 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I do think it's important to 361 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 6: remember he's done it before, right, so it's not like 362 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 6: it's totally foreign. 363 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 364 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 6: I mean, this sounds a lot litle bit more like 365 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 6: the Jeff Hoffman situation. I think it was last year 366 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 6: where he said he was going to possibly do both 367 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 6: and then he didn't. 368 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 369 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 6: I kind of think that Hellsley is the bullpen guy, 370 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 6: and I think he's probably gonna stay as that. I mean, 371 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 6: Jordan Hicks did it going to San France. I think 372 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 6: it worked for a little bit, and then I think 373 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 6: he kind of hit a wall. 374 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: Both years didn't work all right, I'm gonna change up 375 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: the order here, uh with a with a final Well, 376 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: it didn't work, it didn't work. 377 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: It didn't work. I like Kicks. His stuff was phenomenal. 378 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: I thought if they could just harness that for a 379 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: closer setup guy, that would have been the best move. 380 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't think it worked out. 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So the last 406 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: question is give me one guy that you think the 407 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 1: Cardinals should pick up. Now here are the qualifiers. It 408 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: has to be based on need. It has to be 409 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: based in reality, meaning someone that you think the Cardinals 410 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: could get and isn't one of the extraordinarily high priced 411 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: guys that they probably will take a pass on. 412 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: Who you got? 413 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 5: Are we Black Friday shopping timeout? 414 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: Yes? 415 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: No, Well, if you think if you come up with 416 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: a deal, you know a deal is always a deal. 417 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: And you can also go to Cardinal Territory shop dot com. 418 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: They're great deals there. Matt, go there, pick up a 419 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: couple hoodies. I'm sure we'll send you some on the 420 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: on the free. 421 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: As they say, I. 422 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: Mean, how much money do I I mean, I look 423 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 4: a guy like Michael King, I don't know. 424 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: I don't know what his market's going to be. 425 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 4: I'm guessing it's going to be probably out of the 426 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 4: Cardinals uh price range. But a guy like Michael King 427 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 4: is I like his stuff a lot. And I think 428 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 4: he's coming off of somewhat injury plague season, so uh, 429 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 4: you might be able to get him for less years. 430 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 4: But I think he's a good young starting pitcher with 431 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 4: ace type stuff that that I would be interested in. 432 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 4: And and uh but again, I think a lot of 433 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: people are gonna be interested in him because of his stuff. 434 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 4: But uh, he's a guy in the free agency that. 435 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: That I like a lot. 436 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: That Again, I don't know that the Cardinals will be 437 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: in on him, but I'll go with him. 438 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good selection. 439 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: Then, look, we don't know any of these things or possibilities. Kyle, 440 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: give me a name a guy. 441 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 6: You think you're not gonna yell at him? Lance yelled 442 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 6: at me when I brought up one hundred million dollar players. 443 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's a hundred million dollar guy and 444 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 5: his qualify you yelled, that's that's a no go. I 445 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 5: think in the high in the high offseason plan. 446 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: That's my guess. 447 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 3: But I don't know. You think you think he's getting 448 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 3: a one hundred million. 449 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: Older than you? 450 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 5: And I don't yell at Matt. 451 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 2: I'll yo you all day long. 452 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 4: Kyle, I didn't know. Don't you guys think he's getting 453 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 4: a hundred million. 454 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 5: All I know is he got the qualifying off he sets. 455 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 5: I think that's a hard pass in him's mind right. 456 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: Now, Okay, I don't Okay, Yeah, that's probably he looks hurt. 457 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 4: I like, no, I didn't think about the qualifying for Kyle. 458 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 5: To be honest with you, King, I like three for 459 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 5: seventy five. I don't think it's a hundred. And we 460 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 5: talked about Gallon, right I like, I think Gallon's going 461 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 5: to be a good picture too. But I don't see him. 462 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 5: I don't see him because he's got the qualifying for 463 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 5: two and he's going to be in that same ballpark 464 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 5: where I think he gets a fourth year because he's 465 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 5: had more track record. 466 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: But it could be in a trade too. It could 467 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: be trade. Maybe they signed. I don't know, but I'm 468 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: talking trade possibility. 469 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 5: M m all right, Kyle's up. 470 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: Kyle, don't mess up. Because Lance will scold you. 471 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 2: Lance. 472 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 6: The last thing I saw was you said three save 473 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 6: five and you leaned in like you were gonna hit me, 474 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 6: like I said something offensive. That's the last thing I heard. 475 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 6: But yeah, I. 476 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 3: Don't, man, who's the guy? 477 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. 478 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 6: That's a tough one. I mean, I think there's a 479 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 6: couple of trades out there to be had that might 480 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 6: be really interesting. I think a trade for maybe like 481 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 6: a Nick Cassianos could be an interesting one for the Cardinals. 482 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 6: You get a right handed outfield d H bat that 483 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 6: you know, I think I think could be interesting. Knowing 484 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 6: Nick how he is in the clubhouse as a veteran, 485 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 6: I think could be good, really really want to win 486 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 6: type personality. And I know that maybe that's not the 487 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 6: year that the Cardinals could find themselves in, but I 488 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 6: think it could be an interesting one. 489 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: Now he's a villain. 490 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 5: He's a villain because they're gonna be a third basement 491 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 5: right in Philly. 492 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 6: I mean, I think it could be interesting. Yeah, that 493 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 6: could be an interesting trade. 494 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 3: I don't know. 495 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: Now. 496 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: Castianos is a villain in Saint Louis, but it's happened 497 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: before with Aj Perzinski, who wasn't well thought of, came 498 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: here and became beloved. That could happen with Castianos too, 499 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: And that's a guy. 500 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: I agree. He's a presence. 501 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 5: Did Aj become loved He did all. 502 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: Right by the media. 503 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: By the media, he didn't really, he didn't play enough 504 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: in Saint Louis to become love, but the media loved him. 505 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: He's a good dude. All right. 506 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 507 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: We will see you next time. It's holiday week. We 508 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: got another one coming up, and hopefully that episode won't suck.