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Speaker 3: Artificial intelligence is obviously taking over the world, but very

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Speaker 1: An illegal alien from Guatemala charged with raping a child

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Under President Trump, attempted illegal border

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Speaker 1: crossings are at the lowest levels ever recorded, and over

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand illegal aliens have been arrested. If you

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Speaker 1: are here illegally, your next you will be fined nearly

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Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a day, imprisoned, and deported. You will

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Speaker 1: never return. But if you register using our CBP home

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Speaker 1: app and leave now, you could be allowed to return

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Speaker 1: legally do what's right. Leave now. Under President Trump, America's laws,

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Speaker 1: border and families will be protected.

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Speaker 2: Sponsored by the United States Department of Homeland Security,