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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to The Herd. It's me Jason McIntyre

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Speaker 3: in for Colin Cowhard, who is yet sitting once again, Boy,

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Speaker 3: nobody travels like Colin Cowherd. I'm joyed today by Alex Curry. Alex,

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Speaker 3: how are you feeling? We're on the eve of July

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Speaker 3: fourth here.

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Speaker 4: I love this week. I mean, for growing up, Fourth

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Speaker 4: of July was like my favorite holiday in Manhattan. Beach

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Speaker 4: vibes are immaculate down on the strand and on the beach.

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Speaker 4: Obviously a little different for me this year because I'm

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Speaker 4: in the red zone, like anything can happen on about

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Speaker 4: the pop, but I'm still so excited for.

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Speaker 3: I love Yeah, and we got great sports obviously, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a lot of soccer tonight. We're talking soccer on the show.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite soccer players of all time, Landon

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Speaker 3: Donovan joining the show in about forty minutes. Very excited.

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Speaker 3: We have a Lakers insider coming on to talk. I

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Speaker 3: know it hasn't been a great start to free agency.

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Speaker 3: Laker fans, take a deep breath. It's gonna be fine.

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Speaker 3: We're actually gonna start the show ladies and gentlemen with

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Speaker 3: the Lakers. And you know, listen, we are in a

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Speaker 3: hot take society right now. Everybody knows that it's really

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Speaker 3: difficult to cut through. There's so many outlets and medium's

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Speaker 3: TV radio, you got the web, you got social media, YouTube, TikTok.

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Speaker 3: To cut through, you increasingly have to turn up the

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Speaker 3: volume and get a little hot. And folks, I've been

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Speaker 3: seeing some stuff. You know, I love a good hot take,

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Speaker 3: hot take happy hour, but I've been seeing some stuff

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Speaker 3: lately about my main man, Luka Doncic. Then I got

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Speaker 3: to step in. It's time for Jmac to jump in

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Speaker 3: and be like, guys, can we take a deep breath?

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Speaker 3: Can we get some I know nuance isn't a thing

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Speaker 3: a lot of people like to do in July. It's

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Speaker 3: either black or white. You love him, you hate him, right,

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Speaker 3: but let's just pump the brakes on the Luka Doncic bashing,

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Speaker 3: And yes, I get it. He's coming off a season

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Speaker 3: where he was injured and he got traded and hey,

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Speaker 3: if the Dallas Mavericks can move off Luca, how good

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Speaker 3: is he? Right? I mean the guy doesn't play defense. Hey,

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Speaker 3: he can't jump, he only had one dunk last season.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Luca, what are we doing? Is he that good?

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Speaker 3: Jay Man? He couldn't get out of the first round

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Speaker 3: with Lebron James. How good is Luca? And you start

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Speaker 3: hearing all this and I'm like, wait a minute, hold on,

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Speaker 3: are we talking about the same Luka Doncic that just

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Speaker 3: thirteen months ago put the Mavericks on his back and

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Speaker 3: led them to the finals. And now we've got hot

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Speaker 3: takes like this not just coming from dopey fans and

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Speaker 3: not just the media, but we're talking about former players

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Speaker 3: and coaches, folks. Avery Johnson, I'll point, who knows a

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Speaker 3: lot about basketball, was asked who we'd rather have, Cooper

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Speaker 3: Flag or Luka Doncic. Take a listen, man, give me

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Speaker 3: Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 5: Really, Cooper Flag and this team, Yeah, give me Cooper

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Speaker 5: flagg Man. You're talking about a team when they're healthy.

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Speaker 5: Got three future Hall of Famers with Kyrie ad and

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Speaker 5: Klay Thompson. So this is really exciting the Mavericks. Their

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Speaker 5: future is bright, but they have a window when they're healthy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't totally disagree with Dallas being good, but

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Speaker 3: Cooper Flag over Luka Doncic. And this is what I'm

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Speaker 3: a guy has a down year and we're just writing

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Speaker 3: him off, Like I like Cooper Flagg. Do you guys

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Speaker 3: remember I don't know two months ago on the show,

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Speaker 3: Rick Buker sat here and I was like, over under

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Speaker 3: one and a half MVPs for Cooper Flag and he

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Speaker 3: way on earth am I taking him over Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 3: Have we forgotten I'm not going to try it out

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Speaker 3: the resume, but have we forgotten that in the last

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Speaker 3: forty years, no player has started their NBA career as

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Speaker 3: good as Luka Johns, not Michael Jordan, not Lebron James,

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Speaker 3: then was first team All NBA five straight years, First

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Speaker 3: five straight years in starting in year two. Like, that's

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Speaker 3: the kind of talent we're dealing with here. Nobody makes

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Speaker 3: their teammates better in the NBA better than Luka Doncic. Now,

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Speaker 3: been fighting for years. How do we build around Luca.

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Speaker 3: Let's try Jalen Brunson and they screwed that up. Let's

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Speaker 3: the Herd when it happened, I was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: if you want to write off Luca at twenty six

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Speaker 3: step back artist, that's fine. Do you do you, But

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Speaker 3: calf injury, and Luca, wisely, I might add, did not

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Speaker 3: Oh he's fine, it's fine. Let's not even rehash what

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Speaker 3: Nico Harrison wanted to rush Luca back. Lucas said, no, oh,

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Speaker 3: he gained weight, they shipped him out of town. I

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Speaker 3: am calling it now. Revenge season is coming for Luka

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Speaker 3: the hell they're gonna have. We can get into that later.

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Speaker 3: of the greatest players in the NBA currently, Lebron all

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Speaker 3: we just take our deep breath with Luca. He's gonna

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Speaker 3: Now, let's get to the big soccer matchup tonight, USA Guatemala. Yes,

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Speaker 3: told Colin three weeks ago, We're gonna be fine in

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Speaker 3: the Gold Cup. And now, do you guys remember three

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Speaker 3: weeks ago in the Gold Cup USA all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: Oh no, what does that say? And then one of

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Speaker 3: Everything's been fine now. The bigger issue is one that everybody,

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Speaker 3: even if you're not a soccer fan, con vibe with

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Speaker 3: you in NFL and NBA, right, you follow your team closely.

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Speaker 3: the Jags because that's their local team. It's totally different

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Speaker 3: with soccer. This happens in the NBA too. Toronto Raptors

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Speaker 3: cap situation in the next two years. That doesn't apply

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Speaker 3: to the US national soccer team, which puts us every

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Speaker 3: it comes to USA Soccer. For casuals, now, you could argue, hey,

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Speaker 3: it's great that the casuals are paying attention, but we

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Speaker 3: you and I know this is positive. Jason to start

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Speaker 3: We're gonna beat Guatemala, probably soundly tonight. I'll go three

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Speaker 3: a great game in Juson on Sunday. But when it

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Speaker 3: We're building depth at the Gold Cup. They've got guys

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Speaker 3: Landon Donovan will come on and hopefully echo my sentiments here.

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Speaker 3: But I think this is a good thing. You know,

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Speaker 3: USA team because we just parachute in for the major

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Speaker 3: that's all it comes down to. There's no process. I

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Speaker 3: feel like we're seeing a tremendous process at the Gold Cup.

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Speaker 3: Poachatino is exerting his thoughts and beliefs and his value

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Speaker 3: look near his family in Portland. Remember that was like

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Speaker 3: a big yep issue because he's away from his kids.

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Speaker 3: This is great now if he happens to be healthy

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Speaker 3: come April and he sees that there's a contender on

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Speaker 3: the West Post once.

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Speaker 4: It's Achilles, So he's like post All Star break, I

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Speaker 4: think is like kind of so like second half of

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Speaker 4: the season when you're really seeing what team has the

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Speaker 4: ability to make a run and be a con I could.

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Speaker 3: Join and be your ninth guy off the bench.

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Speaker 4: And he's getting paid to rehab and be with his

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Speaker 4: family and be in a good headspace, like the mentality

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Speaker 4: coming in like happy.

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Speaker 3: So like, yeah, the Dame angle is interesting because it's

436
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Speaker 3: a it's a win for him. Listen, you don't get

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Speaker 3: the Warriors of the Lakers are gonna be monitoring breathlessly.

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Speaker 3: Could we get Dame Lillard for pennies?

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Speaker 4: Well, and yeah, the Bucks are still gonna be paying

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Speaker 4: for a majority of his contracts.

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Speaker 3: Such a bad move by the Bucks.

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Speaker 4: It was weird. And then for Jannis to to say

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Speaker 4: he wasn't I mean, I don't know who he said

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Speaker 4: he wasn't happy, but there were reports that he wasn't

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Speaker 4: happy with the move and the trade, and there's just

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Speaker 4: there's just so much. It's a lot of question marks.

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Speaker 3: With the Bocks, it felt like a desperate move. And

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Speaker 3: you it's like you go house hunting, which I'm sure

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Speaker 3: you know you've done, and you're being told never fall

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Speaker 3: in love with the house. You cannot because then you're

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Speaker 3: gonna be pot playing.

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Speaker 4: Hard to get.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna want to bid it. Uh huh, just hey, whatever,

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Speaker 3: And I felt like they fell in love with Hey,

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Speaker 3: Miles Turner, it can be our new brook Lopez. He's younger,

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Speaker 3: he's more athletic, he's a better thing. And brook Lopez

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Speaker 3: worked great with Honest, and they're they're missing the part that,

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Speaker 3: oh we don't have a starting backcourt. It's like Gary

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Speaker 3: Trent and Kevin Porter. I just don't see.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit of a mess. And obviously you

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Speaker 4: got to figure out what's happening with you Honest? Is

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Speaker 4: he going to get traded? Because we still haven't heard

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Speaker 4: from his mouth trade.

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Speaker 3: What happens if Giannis comes out in two weeks and

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Speaker 3: says I don't like this, I want to be traded? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: then what I like? What are you the boss heard of?

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Speaker 4: It was a disaster just shut yourself on the foot. Yeah, yeah, wild, Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's switch to the NFL. Travis Kelce was on the

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Speaker 4: bust In with the Boys podcast and talked about his

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Speaker 4: motive how his motivation has changed as he's aged as

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Speaker 4: a football player.

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Speaker 10: I used to want to get a thousand yards every year,

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Speaker 10: every single year, like that was like the milestone and

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Speaker 10: that you were elite in the league, especially at the

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Speaker 10: tight end position. Yeah, but then I just like, it's

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Speaker 10: more important to get dugs, and I feel like getting

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Speaker 10: that message to the teammates was way more important.

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Speaker 4: He's saying what champions say, right, It's not about the

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Speaker 4: personal accolades. It's about winning the chips. And once you've won,

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Speaker 4: like he's won, they are the current dynasty in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: They have three championship rings. All you're thinking about is

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Speaker 4: how do I get that fourth? And then now you're

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Speaker 4: also your legacy and your career is compared to well,

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Speaker 4: how are you going to level up to the other grades?

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Speaker 4: Like how many does Bronk have? Like are you going

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Speaker 4: to be like Shannon Sharp? There's like all these other

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Speaker 4: top players of that position. Are you going to be

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Speaker 4: able to reach that level? And again, like he's not

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Speaker 4: the same player he was when they won that first

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Speaker 4: and second Super Bowl. He's going to have to get creative.

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Speaker 3: Numbers.

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Speaker 4: That is impressive.

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you, Alex. So yeah, I love

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Speaker 3: to make these things personal. Like you know, you played

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Speaker 3: soccer and the team was good, and then they recruit

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Speaker 3: somebody at your position who's better than you and takes

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Speaker 3: the starting spot and you guys win the national championship.

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Speaker 3: So that was me.

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Speaker 4: I was the one who took the spot and we

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Speaker 4: won the national championship, and then.

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Speaker 3: I left early.

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Speaker 4: So I was always the doubted one, like you're not

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Speaker 4: gonna make it. There's no room for you, like we

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Speaker 4: don't have space. And then I was having to prove

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Speaker 4: everybody wrong my entire career, through soccer, through broadcasting, everything.

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Speaker 4: It's like, just get me a chance, let me prove

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Speaker 4: me wrong. So I've always been that like hungry person.

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Speaker 3: Kelsey's kind of like the opposite, right, and that he's

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Speaker 3: got the stats and the chip. But would he be

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Speaker 3: happy because the way he's talking about one thousand year,

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Speaker 3: would he be happy if they if he had six

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Speaker 3: hundred yards receiving next year?

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Speaker 4: But they were the number one see that's not what

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Speaker 4: matters right now. And I think that's the important message

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Speaker 4: that he's trying to say, and that he's trying to

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Speaker 4: he's the veteran on the team now, right he's trying

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Speaker 4: to tell all the young guys, Hey, it's not about

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Speaker 4: your your personal stats. What matters is that w at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, is getting that ring at

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Speaker 4: the end of the season. That's all that matters at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: That's a tough mindset for someone in their twenties. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: thirties is you know, when we're in our twenties or bulletproof,

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Speaker 3: I can do whatever.

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Speaker 6: I'm on.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine. You get into your thirties, you start like

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Speaker 3: reality starts to sit in. Yeah, maybe that's what Kelsey's seeing, Like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be that guy.

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Speaker 4: And he's also like probably the most famous NFL like

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Speaker 4: player right now.

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Speaker 3: He's an A list celebrities.

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Speaker 4: He's happy in his personal life. He's doing great career wise,

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Speaker 4: Like he is like top of the mountain right now,

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Speaker 4: not tap because like if they won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: then I think he like last season, then he would

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Speaker 4: be top of the mountain. He was top of the

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Speaker 4: mountain two years ago. But it's just how do I

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Speaker 4: get back there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe sacrificing a little yeah, understanding, Hey, it's

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Speaker 3: not going to be all about his boys.

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Speaker 4: Not No, it's not. He was breaking down. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's breaking down, but he's still Mahomes guy and it's

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Speaker 4: still having that presence and he's still in the locker

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Speaker 4: room and on the field. Sure has, sure is. Hey

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Speaker 4: she was at tight end. You you see that, super.

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Speaker 3: Far I saw that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they were all they were all singing along

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Speaker 4: with her kid, all everybody.

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Speaker 3: It was not a bad hang. I love it.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's move to New York and talk about

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Speaker 4: your Jets, Jmack, because they made a ton of changes

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Speaker 4: this offseason, but one of holdovers, running back Breeze Hall,

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Speaker 4: isn't using that as an excuse. Hall set I think

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Speaker 4: people think the new coaching staff and new GM means

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Speaker 4: a rebuild. But we have a lot of really good

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Speaker 4: players on the roster, so we're going to try to

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Speaker 4: win now. I think our ceiling is very high. So

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Speaker 4: when you hear that Jmac.

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Speaker 3: In the AA in the.

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Speaker 4: AFC East, I mean there's a lot of new right cornerback,

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Speaker 4: new front office, new coaching staff. They're also a franchise

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Speaker 4: that hasn't reached the postseason since twenty ten. Fourteen year

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Speaker 4: drought longest postseason drought.

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Speaker 3: In NFL history.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to rub it in and remind or

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Speaker 4: current no current postseason. It says fourteen year drought the

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Speaker 4: longest postseason drought.

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Speaker 3: In the NFL right now currently, yeah, yeah, yeah, currently

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Speaker 3: it's not great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just what they're feeling.

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Speaker 3: His staff is like, oh yeah, let's get to what

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Speaker 3: do you think third third? What in the AFC?

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Speaker 4: In AFCAS, I'm looking at it. I'm Bill's fml on.

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Speaker 4: Bill's won again. Miami depends on two. Uh, people are

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Speaker 4: high on the Patriots, and then you got your Jets.

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Speaker 3: Well remember the continuity I mentioned for US soccer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so the Jets have a new head coach, yes, a

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Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator, yeah, a new defensive coordinator, new quarterback,

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Speaker 3: a new quarterback. Uh huh. That's a lot of news.

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Speaker 4: But we also saw that with the Commanders last year,

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Speaker 4: and they surprised and took everyone by storm. So like

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Speaker 4: there could be both sides to new Well, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, dan Quinn had wont to been to a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry with Atlanta. Yeah, and the offensive coordinator was

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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan, who's a big time Oh no, not Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 3: What am I saying? The offensive coordinator, I'm spacing on

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Speaker 3: his name right now. But the guy from Arizona, the

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Speaker 3: pretty boy. Oh and also USC are you talking of?

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about commanders?

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Speaker 5: Ye?

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Speaker 3: Commanders? Commanders? How Kingsbury like winners? James Daniels was a superstar. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Jets are getting Justin Fields. Who's been me? Aaron Glenn

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Speaker 3: has never been a head coach, and the offensive coordinators

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Speaker 3: never called please like it's not it's just too much newness, Alex.

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Speaker 3: It is like a six or seven win team. Let's see.

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Speaker 4: I like little fourth. You think fourth finished last AC

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Speaker 4: that's not bad.

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Speaker 3: Then the last play schedule for next year with Arts Manning,

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Speaker 3: They're not going to be bad Arts Manning bad. They're

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Speaker 3: not gonna be Art.

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Speaker 2: Never know.

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Speaker 3: Alex Curry with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.

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Speaker 3: Line News all right. Coming up next is landon Donovan

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Speaker 3: excited for the USA's chances against Guatemala to night, and

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Speaker 3: then what about the final in the Gold Cup against

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Speaker 3: Mexico on Sunday. That's next year on the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern emphasis.

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Speaker 4: The road to twenty twenty six continues tonight on FS

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Speaker 4: one with the Gold Cup semifinal as the US men's

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Speaker 4: national team takes on Guatemala. No Easy Path, No Second Chances.

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Speaker 4: Coverage begins tonight at sixth Eastern on FS one.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, everybody very excited USA Guatemala tonight, and then when

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Speaker 3: we win, we'll face Mexico in the final. Yes, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna win. Let's talk to Landon Donovan. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: a legend. You know, I get a little gushy. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna be a little bit of a fanboy here. Who

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Speaker 3: couldn't love Landon Donovan. I was just telling him how

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Speaker 3: to break stop it maybe pochatino, but that's about it.

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Speaker 3: But during the break, like I remember the goal against

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Speaker 3: Algeria in the World Cup, watching with my family, I'll

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Speaker 3: never forget it. That's one of the most seminal moments

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Speaker 3: in USA soccer. So Landov, great, Landon, great to have

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Speaker 3: you on the show. Let's start with this layup. How

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Speaker 3: do you feel about the game against Guatemala tonight.

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Speaker 6: I think we got a gift.

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Speaker 9: Guatemala played Canada the other night and Canada are a

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Speaker 9: much much better overall team than Guatemala, and I think

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Speaker 9: if they play that game ten times, Canada win eight.

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Speaker 9: Guatemala Taiwan and they win one and they tied, went

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Speaker 9: to penalty kicks and ended up losing the game. So

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Speaker 9: it's a bit of a gift for us. Guatemala is

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Speaker 9: not a top Conker CAF team. This is the first time,

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Speaker 9: I believe in thirty something years they've been to the

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Speaker 9: semi finals of a Gold Cup, so I expect.

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Speaker 6: Us to win. It will not be easy.

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Speaker 9: J Mack Soccer never is because goals are hard to score.

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Speaker 6: But I expect that we'll win tonight.

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious. Obviously you're not there talking to the players,

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Speaker 3: but how do you what do you think the mindset

642
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: is given free shows up in pks. You know all

643
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: the criticism for the team, but they have been kind

644
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: of playing great. I didn't love the goal they gave

645
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: up in what the eighty fifth minute or whatever, but

646
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Speaker 3: overall they've played pretty dark and good.

647
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Speaker 9: No, they've been fantastic and it's important to have the

648
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Speaker 9: context of what happened. So before the tournament, many players

649
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 9: opted out of the tournament, which you know, is a

650
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 9: whole nother story, and for people who have dreamt of

651
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 9: playing soccer their whole life, you know, it's it's pretty

652
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Speaker 9: interesting that people would not want to play for their

653
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 9: national team. A lot of players out injured, and then

654
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 9: a third set of players are out for the Club

655
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Speaker 9: World Cup that's going on concurrently. So this group of

656
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Speaker 9: players is a little bit of a makeshift, maybe one

657
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Speaker 9: or two starters, but the rest are a be maybe

658
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Speaker 9: even in some cases a C team or a C player.

659
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Speaker 9: And what they've done is they've taken the opportunity and

660
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Speaker 9: J Mack, you know, in sports, when someone leaves the

661
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 9: door slightly open, you better be careful because someone else

662
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Speaker 9: might barge through.

663
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Speaker 3: And these guys have barged through.

664
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Speaker 9: And they've been really inspiring for those of us who

665
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Speaker 9: love this game and love this national team. It's been

666
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Speaker 9: really fun to watch them continue to grow and win

667
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Speaker 9: back hearts and minds of Americans.

668
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't want to start with the controversy, but

669
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Speaker 3: let's go into it. You know, they didn't seem to

670
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Speaker 3: have an identity heading into the Gold Cup, Like, what

671
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: are they do you think that Pochettino has kind of

672
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Speaker 3: established this is what we are or is that still

673
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Speaker 3: a work in progress.

674
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Speaker 9: So this is the hard part with soccer for people

675
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Speaker 9: who are new to it. You play for your club

676
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 9: team all the time, and let's use the analogy of

677
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 9: you play for the Lakers or the Celtics or the Yankees,

678
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Speaker 9: but then once a month, maybe once every couple months,

679
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 9: you come together for whatever country you represent, and you

680
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Speaker 9: represent your national team. The problem is is you're only

681
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 9: together for two or three days at a time and

682
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Speaker 9: then you go back to your club teams. What's happened

683
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 9: in this camp is Pochettino had two friendlies before this

684
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 9: camp started, so you had a week and a half

685
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Speaker 9: with these guys, two games, and now they've had their

686
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Speaker 9: going on I think two and a half or three

687
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 9: weeks together. Having that amount of time together is priceless.

688
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 9: With a national team, it's absolutely priceless. So in the beginning,

689
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Speaker 9: there was no identity. People didn't know what to expect.

690
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Speaker 9: Everybody's sort of looking around in camp.

691
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Speaker 6: Are you a leader?

692
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Speaker 9: You're a leader with your club team, but are you

693
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 9: a leader here, and now you're starting to see roles define,

694
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Speaker 9: You're starting to see people take the opportunity. You saw

695
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 9: Matt Freeze say hey, no one else has claimed the

696
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 9: goalkeeper spot, why not me? And that's what guys have

697
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 9: done this entire Tournament's been really fun to watch them grow.

698
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said the doors kind of open. And

699
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Speaker 3: I asked the more the staff here, like, how many

700
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Speaker 3: guys do you think currently on the goal club a

701
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Speaker 3: Gold Cup roster would maybe start next year in the

702
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Speaker 3: World Cup? And we came around two or three. I

703
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: don't know, am I missing anyone? I think Freeze might

704
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: have passed Turner just alone in this tournament. But who

705
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: else do you think is Could Richards be a starter

706
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: next year in the World Cup?

707
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Speaker 9: Well, look like politics, a year is a long time, right,

708
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 9: so a lot of things can happen in a year. However,

709
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Speaker 9: this is what I would say with Pochattino. Pochattino is

710
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 9: Argentina and he spent most of his career in Europe coaching.

711
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 9: He doesn't have any obligation to anybody who has name

712
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 9: right cognition, or has played in the past, or has

713
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 9: been a leader or been a captain. He just looks

714
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 9: at this roster and says, these are the guys I have.

715
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Speaker 9: You show me that by your performance today today against

716
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 9: Guatemala that you deserve to play in the final if

717
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 9: we win, and if we play in the final against

718
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 9: Mexico Honduras, you show me again that you deserve to

719
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Speaker 9: play in the friendlies that are coming up in the fall,

720
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Speaker 9: and you deserve to play in the next one and

721
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 9: the next one, in the next one.

722
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Speaker 6: He does send care.

723
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Speaker 9: If you have a big name or a big contract

724
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Speaker 9: or play for a big club. He can only evaluate

725
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 9: what he's seeing, and what he's seeing right now are

726
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 9: a bunch of guys who are taking advantage of the opportunity.

727
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think Tillman is one of those guys?

728
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: I was looking at his background. Absolutely played on the

729
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: German national team. You have fifteen through twenty one, and

730
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: it's like, wow, he looks outstanding. But I don't think

731
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: of him as better than Baligan, you know, and like

732
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: some of the other forwards, right or is that now

733
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Speaker 3: a discussion?

734
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Speaker 9: Yeah, but it is a discussion for what I just said.

735
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Speaker 9: And you know the old adage the most important ability

736
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Speaker 9: in sports is availability, and Baligan is a fantastic player, talented,

737
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 9: Ricardo Peppy fantastic player, very talented. They've been injured. Both

738
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 9: of them have been injured a lot leak. Someone's not

739
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 9: an out and out striker. There's a young man named

740
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Speaker 9: Patrick Ajemong who has sort of taken that role.

741
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Speaker 6: And we'll see what happens.

742
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Speaker 9: You know, j Mack, the telling sign will be in

743
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 9: the next camp after this Gold Cup. Does he just

744
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 9: readily invite all those guys back in or does he say,

745
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 9: you know what, these guys did a great job for

746
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 9: me in the Gold Cup. This B and C list

747
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 9: and maybe they become the A list and that's gonna

748
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 9: tell us a lot.

749
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Speaker 3: That would ruffle some feathers. But I'm just curious, like

750
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Speaker 3: that sounds like a good talking point and hearing you

751
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: say it, like yeah, there's something here. But in your

752
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 3: soccer experience, do you ever recall them going with bees

753
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: over a's just because the a's weren't there?

754
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Speaker 6: No, and and no.

755
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Speaker 9: The reason why is because when you play with your

756
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 9: national team, and this is part of my frustration why

757
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 9: I'm outspoken about this. Yes, when you play for your

758
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 9: national team, it just means more. It has to mean more,

759
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Speaker 9: and I'm not saying people don't try with their club teams.

760
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 9: I'm not even saying people don't care sometimes when they

761
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 9: play with their national team. But if you're not willing

762
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 9: to do anything in everything to win the game with

763
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Speaker 9: your national team, then you don't deserve to be there.

764
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Speaker 9: And the guys who are there right now have said,

765
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Speaker 9: I don't care what happens.

766
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Speaker 6: I'm not.

767
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Speaker 9: You know, a guy Diego Luna young Man broke his

768
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 9: nose in a friendly in January and they said you

769
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 9: need to come out of the game, and he said,

770
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Speaker 9: I'm not coming out of the game.

771
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Speaker 6: This is my one chance.

772
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Speaker 9: So you can pull me off the field, you can

773
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Speaker 9: carry me off, but I'm not coming out of the game.

774
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 9: Next thing, you know, he started every game in the

775
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Speaker 9: Gold Cup. If there if the roster was announced tomorrow

776
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 9: for the World Cup, he is one hundred percent on it.

777
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 9: And he came out of nowhere. And so that's what

778
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 9: it means to play for your national team. Malik Tilman

779
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 9: got kicked all over the field the other night, and

780
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Speaker 9: he got up again, and got up again, and got

781
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 9: up again. He missed a penalty in the game, came

782
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 9: back and made a penalty in the penalty kick shootout.

783
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 9: So they are showing Mauricio Pochettino what it means to

784
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 9: play for a NASH team. And there's no reason why

785
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 9: a lot of these guys one won't be on the roster,

786
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 9: and two some of them would start.

787
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: Now, are they all going to be starters?

788
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 9: I don't think so, but hopefully it sends a message

789
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 9: to the rest of the group that this is what's

790
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 9: expected and if you don't do it, you're not going

791
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 9: to be here.

792
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I got to ask it. And obviously

793
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Speaker 3: you know the drama with Polisic and Pochattino. A. Have

794
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: you heard from anybody in either camp since the Gold

795
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: Cup privately? If it's private stuff and you don't want

796
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: to talk about it, that's fine. But have you heard

797
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: from anyone in politics camp or Pochattinos?

798
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 6: No?

799
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 9: No, no, And I've I talked to many people behind

800
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 9: the scenes all week j Mac in US Soccer And

801
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 9: the reality right now is what I just said about Pochettino.

802
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 9: He does not have he does not feel any obligation

803
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 9: to any player. Now, is Christian Polistic more talented than

804
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 9: anybody on the current Gold Cup roster? Yes, by a

805
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 9: gazillion miles. But when you see when you play for

806
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 9: a national team, it doesn't always mean that. If you watch,

807
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 9: do yourself a favor. Go watch Argentina play Columbia or

808
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 9: Argentina played Brazil. When you watch that game, you go

809
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 9: there's a lot.

810
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Speaker 6: Of soccer being played here.

811
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 9: This is just a battle, and these are some of

812
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Speaker 9: the best players in the world, and all the skill

813
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 9: and all the stuff gets thrown out the window for

814
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 9: ninety percent of the game and they just battle because

815
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 9: that's what it means to play for your country. So

816
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 9: I think the message is loud and clear. And I

817
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 9: took Christian's credit. I think when he shows up and plays,

818
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Speaker 9: he does play that way.

819
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

820
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 9: Now some of the other guys on the roster haven't,

821
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Speaker 9: and I think the message is becoming clear from Poachatino.

822
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 6: You either do this or you're not playing.

823
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like that was a shot at Jill Reno,

824
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 3: but I'm just gonna side say it. Let's we'll wrap

825
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: up with this. You know, Freeze obviously was the hero

826
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: in the PKS. Turner's kind of been buried on the

827
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Speaker 3: bench with his club team. I don't know, do you

828
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: think Freeze past them or is it too early.

829
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Speaker 9: To tell I want to separate. You know, people get

830
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 9: excited in moments, right. You know, it'd be like if

831
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 9: a guy gets fouled for three pointer and makes three

832
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 9: free throws to win the game. You wouldn't necessarily then say, oh, well,

833
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 9: he's the best player throughout the game, right because he made.

834
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 6: Those three free throws.

835
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 9: Matt Freeze is excellent clearly at penalty kicks, and I

836
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 9: will just say, let's say he's not one of the

837
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 9: best three goalkeepers. Generally you take three goalkeepers to the

838
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 9: World Cup, there is every opportunity that Poachatino says, you

839
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 9: know what, I'm gonna take him even as my third,

840
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 9: even though he's not the best, because we might get

841
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 9: into a situation in a knockout stage where we need

842
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 9: to take penalty kicks, and I could absolutely see that happen. Now,

843
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 9: aside from that, I think he's been okay. I don't

844
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 9: think he is a better goalkeeper than Matt Turner. But

845
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 9: I talked earlier, you leave that door open. You're Matt Turner,

846
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 9: and you didn't play a lot of club soccer the

847
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 9: last year. You left the door open, and someone said, bang,

848
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 9: I'm kicking that thing down and I'm coming in.

849
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has Landed Donovan Fox Sports Soccer analyst,

850
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: a legend on the pitch and off of it. Great stuff. Landon,

851
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: thanks a lot of Joe.

852
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 6: I appreciate you, guys.

853
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, all right, Landed Donovan. Really want to listen.

854
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: He's saying a lot of stuff, and you need to

855
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: listen because I'm sure he talks to everybody in USA soccer.

856
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: He's probably not saying everything. Alex, you know soccer. Well,

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Speaker 3: I think based on some of the stuff Landon Donovan saying, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you passed on this Gold Cup, you

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Speaker 3: may have not polistic, but some of the other.

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Speaker 4: Guys you want to be here. Yeah, that's what this

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Speaker 4: new coaching regime is about. Show me that you want

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Speaker 4: to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh boy, Yeah, it's exciting. At least we gotta

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Speaker 3: win over Guatemala tonight coming up next.

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Speaker 2: Hey.

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Speaker 3: You know Lamar Jackson. I like him a lot. He's

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Speaker 3: a two time MVP. He made a comment I don't

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Speaker 3: love it. We'll talk about that next year. On the

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Speaker 3: Hurt