WEBVTT - Home Court Doesn’t Matter with Cindy Brunson

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're pre

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<v Speaker 1>panicking about all the things that could happen in Game

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<v Speaker 1>four of the WNBA Finals tonight. My heart rate is

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<v Speaker 1>through the roof just thinking about it. On today's show,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be talking to Phoenix Mercury and college basketball play

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<v Speaker 1>by play announcer Cindy Brunson about the wild finish to

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<v Speaker 1>WNBA Finals Game three, and we'll get a grade on

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty four season down in the Valley. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>the NWSL season is getting down to the wire, and

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<v Speaker 1>ooh boy, did I have a night out in New

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<v Speaker 1>York with the folks of the Women's Sports Foundation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what you need to know today in WNBA News. Tonight

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<v Speaker 1>could be it. The New York Liberty have a two

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<v Speaker 1>to one lead in the best of five series against

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<v Speaker 1>the Minnesota Links after pulling off a stunner in Game three.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a chance to win the franchise's first WNBA

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<v Speaker 1>championship on Minnesota's home court. In case you mystic, which

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<v Speaker 1>we're sure you didn't if you're listening to this show,

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<v Speaker 1>but Sabrina Escue took the joy out of the gym

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday night with a thirty foot game winner in

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<v Speaker 1>the final seconds of Game three. Earlier in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>it was announced that Unescu had been named the All

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<v Speaker 1>WNBA Second Team. After the game, she was asked about

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<v Speaker 1>what she considered a snub and had this to say, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was just a great All WNBA Second Team performance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just too good. Can she put together another All

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<v Speaker 1>WNBA second Team performance tonight? Will Brianna Stewart drop another

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<v Speaker 1>thirty piece? Howell and the FISA, Collier and Company respond.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that and more with Cindy Brunson in

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple minutes. Speaking of those All WNBA teams,

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<v Speaker 1>League MVP Asia Wilson of the Las Vegas Aces and

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<v Speaker 1>Defensive Player of the Year and if you Sacalier of

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<v Speaker 1>the Links were unanimously selected to the All WNBA First Team,

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<v Speaker 1>joining them the Liberties Brianna Stewart, the Connecticut Sons Alissa Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Indiana Fever's Caitlin Clark, who became the first

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<v Speaker 1>rookie to make the first team team since Candice Parker

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<v Speaker 1>in eight Always in mark a greatness when a player

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<v Speaker 1>is mentioned in the same breath as CP three Really

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<v Speaker 1>cool stuff for Kaitlin Clark. We'll link to that full

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<v Speaker 1>list of first and the second team players in our

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<v Speaker 1>show notes and the w is back on the big

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<v Speaker 1>screen or whatever screen you're watching streaming channels. On a

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<v Speaker 1>Radical Act, a feature documentary about a big choice made

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<v Speaker 1>by Atlanta dream co owner Renee Montgomery, is officially out

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<v Speaker 1>on Roku. The documentary explores Renee's journey through childhood in

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia, her time starring as a player at yukon

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<v Speaker 1>the two WNBA championships she won as a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the Minnesota Links, and her move to the Dreams front office.

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<v Speaker 1>It was produced by Uninterrupted and P and G Studios

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<v Speaker 1>and directed by Emmy Award winner Sandren or A Bona.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever you got some downtime, be sure to check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll link to the trailer in our show notes, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you're listening, Renee, we still want to get you

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. In the NWSL, it's the second to

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<v Speaker 1>last week of the regular season and the playoff picture

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<v Speaker 1>is getting clearer. First, a crucial matchup between the number

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<v Speaker 1>seven Portland Thorns and the number nine Racing Louisville FC Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>seven thirty pm Eastern on Ion. Portland needs a win

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<v Speaker 1>or a draw to clinch a playoff spot, while Racing

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<v Speaker 1>Louisville is on the brink of elimination. Right after that,

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<v Speaker 1>the number five North Carolina Courage hit the road to

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<v Speaker 1>play number eight BAFC at ten pm Eastern, also on Ion.

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<v Speaker 1>The Courage are already in the playoffs, while Bay could

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<v Speaker 1>lock up a spot if things go their way. On Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>Number three Gotham FC hosts the top ranked Orlando Pride

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<v Speaker 1>in a match that could move Gotham into second place

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<v Speaker 1>with the right result. As always, we'll link to Alison

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<v Speaker 1>Gale's excellent playoff scenario breakdowns in our show notes. More

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<v Speaker 1>NWSL sale news out of Southern California, The Levine Likeman

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<v Speaker 1>Family Office has officially acquired the San Diego Wave Football

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<v Speaker 1>Club from its last owner, Ron Burkele. Lauren Likeman will

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<v Speaker 1>be the club's new NWSL governor, and Zachary Likeman Levine

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<v Speaker 1>will serve as the new NWSL alternate governor. Lauren Likeman

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<v Speaker 1>and Arthur Levine are the founders of Lavine Likeman Capital Partners,

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<v Speaker 1>a global private equity firm. Along with this acquisition, their

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<v Speaker 1>family office is also added, investing partners from around the

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego area to help bolster the club. In a statement,

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren Likeman said of the move, quote, our commitment to

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<v Speaker 1>the club will extend beyond the field as we pursue

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<v Speaker 1>the construction of a new, state of the art training facility,

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<v Speaker 1>while also supporting local youth development and community programs. Our

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to create an unparalleled experience for fans, players

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<v Speaker 1>and staff, further cementing the Wave's position as the premier

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<v Speaker 1>women's soccer club. End quote. The owners will have to

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<v Speaker 1>hit the ground running this offseason with two pressing matters

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<v Speaker 1>on the docket. Find a new head coach and address

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<v Speaker 1>the allegations against team president Jill Ellis and complaints of

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<v Speaker 1>former staff regarding a toxic work environment. Interesting note, said

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<v Speaker 1>Ellis in a statement about the team's sale. Quote, Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>and Lauren have been great supporters of mine for many years.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt they will fit right in with

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<v Speaker 1>the San Diego Wave community, and it is my pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome them to the organization. End quote. Elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>soccer news, the US women's national team has released its

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<v Speaker 1>October training camp roster. Fresh off leading team USA to

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<v Speaker 1>a gold medal in the Paris Olympics, Head coach Emma

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<v Speaker 1>Hates called up six uncapped players, meaning they haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>any playing time for the national team yet. Three of

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<v Speaker 1>them are making a US women's national team roster for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. Worth noting that the national team's collective

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<v Speaker 1>bargaining agreement requires all Olympic players to be called up

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<v Speaker 1>to camps ahead of victory tour games so long as

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<v Speaker 1>they're available and uninjured, which means eighteen players who competed

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris were automatically named to the squad. The team

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<v Speaker 1>will host Iceland twice this month, first at Q two

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<v Speaker 1>Stadium in Austin, Texas, on the twenty fourth, then again

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<v Speaker 1>at Geotis Park in Nashville, Tennessee on the twenty seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>Both Mallory Swanson and Kelly O'Hara will be honored at

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<v Speaker 1>the Nashville match. Swanson celebration for her one hundredth cap,

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<v Speaker 1>which came during the Olympic gold medal game Loal O'Hara

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<v Speaker 1>will get a well deserved retirement ceremony at halftime. The

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<v Speaker 1>US women's national team will also play Argentina on October

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<v Speaker 1>thirty at a Lynn Family Stadium in Louisville, Kentucky, where

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<v Speaker 1>Rose LaVale will be honored for her one hundredth cap,

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<v Speaker 1>which she reached back in June. We'll link to the

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<v Speaker 1>full training camp roster in our show notes. In college volleyball,

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<v Speaker 1>the top four teams are at action tonight, beginning at

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<v Speaker 1>six Eastern with number two Nebraska against Michigan State. The

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<v Speaker 1>huskers only loss this season is to Southern Methodist University,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're hoping to keep a thirteen game winning streak alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Then at seven pm, number one ranked Pit takes on

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<v Speaker 1>unranked Cal and number four Louisville plays wake Forest. At

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<v Speaker 1>eight pm Eastern, Number three Penn State faces Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a slew of other top twenty five teams

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<v Speaker 1>in action tonight as well, so we'll link to the

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<v Speaker 1>full schedule of games in our show notes. In college soccer,

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of games to keep track of tonight as well,

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<v Speaker 1>most notably an in state showdown between number three ranked

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi State and Ole Miss at eight pm Eastern. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>link to that schedule in our show notes too. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>ceisis some more volleyball news. But this has some implications

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<v Speaker 1>for the upcoming election. Two, we told you about the

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<v Speaker 1>San Jose State volleyball team and how other schools have

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<v Speaker 1>forfeited matches against them this season. The schools who have

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<v Speaker 1>forfeited have not explicitly stated why, but the presence of

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<v Speaker 1>a reported transgender athlete on the San Jose State team

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<v Speaker 1>is believed to be behind the decisions. Last month, as

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<v Speaker 1>JSU Coca captain Brooks Slusser joined a lawsuit seeking to

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<v Speaker 1>overturn NCAA guidelines that allowed trans women to play under

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<v Speaker 1>certain conditions. When she joined that suit, Slusser outed one

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<v Speaker 1>of her teammates as transgender. Now, according to reporting from

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<v Speaker 1>Marissa and Jemmy at the San Francisco Chronicle, former President

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is using the situation as political fodder in

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<v Speaker 1>his run for president. In a match last Thursday, the

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<v Speaker 1>outed teammate spiked a ball that hit a San Diego

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<v Speaker 1>State player and knocked her down for a moment, but

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<v Speaker 1>she popped right back up. Trump seemed to reference the

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<v Speaker 1>play on Wednesday during a town hall on Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>channels The Faulkner Focus. He said, quote, I saw the slam.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a slam. I never saw a ball hit

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<v Speaker 1>so hard hit the girl in the head. But other people,

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<v Speaker 1>even in volleyball, they've been permanently. I mean they've been

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<v Speaker 1>really hurt badly, women playing men. But you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do the volleyball. We stop it. We stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>We absolutely stop it. You can't have it. End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of exaggeration and fear mongering is common from

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<v Speaker 1>those seeking to demonize transathletes, and usually involves a ignoring context.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, the player in question isn't the tallest

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<v Speaker 1>or hardest hitting on our own team, and in volleyball,

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<v Speaker 1>spikes and hard to return balls are not just common,

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<v Speaker 1>they're sort of the point. San Diego State's director of

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<v Speaker 1>athletic communications push back on Trump's remarks in a statement

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday, saying, quote this did not happen. The ball

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<v Speaker 1>hit her in the shoulder, she was uninjured and did

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<v Speaker 1>not miss a play end quote. He also added that

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<v Speaker 1>the school has called for corrections from media outlets. A

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<v Speaker 1>video from the San Francisco Chronicle proves that Trump's words

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<v Speaker 1>are inaccurate. The ball not only hit the SDSU player

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<v Speaker 1>in the arms, the result was actually a dig that

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<v Speaker 1>allowed the point to continue. We'll link to the video

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<v Speaker 1>in our notes so you can watch for yourself, and

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<v Speaker 1>again we'll keep you updated on this situation as the

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<v Speaker 1>reporting continues. We've got to take a quick break. But

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<v Speaker 1>come back, sab shot and the links on the Ropes

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<v Speaker 1>with Cindy Brunson. Stay tuned. Joining us now the TV

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<v Speaker 1>play by play voice for the Phoenix Murcury. You can

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<v Speaker 1>to the Big twelve. Former longtime sports center host on ESPN,

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<v Speaker 1>principal play by play voice for Athletes Unlimited Basketball for

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<v Speaker 1>the last three seasons, and a proud Washington State alum.

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<v Speaker 1>We partied on a very hot Phoenix rooftop during the

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<v Speaker 1>All Star weekend seeking out mister's hair Bedamned, it's Cindy Brunson.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, Cindy?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, A happy slice reporting for duty here.

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<v Speaker 1>We love a certified slice. I'm good. I'm recovering from

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<v Speaker 1>WNBA and pre panicking about WNBA. This series has not

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<v Speaker 1>given us a moment to take a breath, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be prisoner of the moment here. But

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<v Speaker 1>if we get another classic, and especially if it goes

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<v Speaker 1>to five? Am I wrong in saying this might be

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best series of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>In the w OH I don't think that's an overstatement

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<v Speaker 2>at all. I really do hope it goes to five.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Courtney Williams was very adamant after Game two

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<v Speaker 2>saying that the Links don't want to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>New York. But I think all of us are hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that that indeed happens, except for probably the Liberty. Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they'd be happy didn't pack enough clothes to

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<v Speaker 2>go beyond Game four that they want to wrap this

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<v Speaker 2>up on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we got to start with Sabrina and Escut two Daggers.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of game three. Of course, the second

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<v Speaker 1>one sealed the win. That thirty footer was insane. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say the first three, just a couple

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<v Speaker 1>moments before, might be the biggest energy suck I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard in an arena. I've heard big shots that caused

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<v Speaker 1>the groans and the screams and the ugh That was

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<v Speaker 1>just silence, just everybody taking the big gasp at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. And then the second one that just knocked

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<v Speaker 1>everyone out. How big of a shot was that, not

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<v Speaker 1>just for this series, but in the history of the Liberty.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty big. I would put it right behind

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<v Speaker 2>t spoons half course shot to extend that series against

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<v Speaker 2>the comments. Yeah, it was ginormous. But PAC twelve fans,

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<v Speaker 2>former PAC twelve fans, and Oregon Duck fans know that

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<v Speaker 2>that is what Sabrina does. She has been showing off

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<v Speaker 2>the mama mentality forever. I mean, you remember she was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the speakers at Kobe Bryant's funeral. She is

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<v Speaker 2>built for this and we saw it all the time

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<v Speaker 2>when she was at Oregon. That's why she walked away

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<v Speaker 2>with twenty seven triple doubles in college. She is just

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<v Speaker 2>that person and hand to God, Sarah and I will

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<v Speaker 2>fight people in the streets over this. If the pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't taken over our lives and canceled the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>NCAA tournament, Oregon would have cut down the nets. They

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<v Speaker 2>had three first round draft picks on that roster, led

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<v Speaker 2>by Sabrina. That team was built to win a championship,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the chip that Sabrina has been chasing

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<v Speaker 2>ever since COVID denied her in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was heartbreaking. That was heartbreaking for Sabin for

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<v Speaker 1>that team, and then you know the injuries early in

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<v Speaker 1>her w season, and then you know the questions about

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<v Speaker 1>whether she would translate her game. What we have seen

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<v Speaker 1>from her this season, continuing to be an absolute killer

0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.640
<v Speaker 1>from beyond the art, continuing to be an offensive threat,

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<v Speaker 1>but defensively improving, being a point guard for a team

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<v Speaker 1>when they needed one to step up in Courtney vander

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<v Speaker 1>Slut's absence. This is a different Sabrina. And this feels

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<v Speaker 1>like if the Liberty go on to win this title,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Johnquell and Brianna Stewart and everybody else are

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<v Speaker 1>playing their role, but it's the difference in Sabrina's game

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<v Speaker 1>that might just be the thing that puts them over

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<v Speaker 1>the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Sabrina is out in these streets proving she deserved

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<v Speaker 2>to be first Team All WNBA, no doubt, because what

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<v Speaker 2>did she do? She led the number one team in

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<v Speaker 2>the league and she did it averaging fewer than three

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<v Speaker 2>turnovers a night. She was efficient, She was effective and

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<v Speaker 2>deserve to be on that first team.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask you about that because after

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<v Speaker 1>the game we played the crack about that was just

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<v Speaker 1>a good second team All WNBA performance. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>she should have been the first teamer?

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<v Speaker 2>Based on wins and losses? What team was at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the table for the majority of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>Her New York Liberty. That matters. Winning matters, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>the WNBA.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting obviously, Caitlin Clark a tremendous season and

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<v Speaker 1>records talk and maybe not working with as much on

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<v Speaker 1>a team that needs to pull itself out of the

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<v Speaker 1>lower rung of the league. But certainly an argument there.

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<v Speaker 1>And hey, I bet you if you asked Sabrina and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the Liberty if they'd rather have her

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<v Speaker 1>in this series with the chip on her shoulder for

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple games and win it all or have

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<v Speaker 1>her be first team. They would unanimously say, we'll take

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<v Speaker 1>the championship. But they've still got to win going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way this series has gone that is not

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<v Speaker 1>a guarantee. We saw Brianna Stewart put up an effort

0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.480
<v Speaker 1>that helped them get that game three thirty points in

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<v Speaker 1>all unbelievable fourth quarter. Defensively, offensively, how do you even

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<v Speaker 1>begin to try to stop Brianna Stewart, especially the way

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<v Speaker 1>she's playing now where they're using her a lot bringing

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<v Speaker 1>the ball up the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you don't stop her. You hope that you can

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<v Speaker 2>absorb what she puts up and then limit those around her.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is the game plan that Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>has tried to use in this series. What I think

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't expect was how much of a defensive impact

0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Stewie would end up having. She had seven steals a

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<v Speaker 2>WNBA record in the game to win, and three of

0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.440
<v Speaker 2>those steals came in the fourth quarter. In Game three

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<v Speaker 2>to take a two to one series lead, Stewie scored

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen points in the third quarter to get her team

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<v Speaker 2>level and then provided another eight when it was closing

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<v Speaker 2>time in the fourth quarter to go along with half

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<v Speaker 2>of her blocks on the night two. Stewie is etching

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<v Speaker 2>her name on the MVP Finals trophy right now. All

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberty have to do is help her secure that

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<v Speaker 2>last win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Links had the Liberty down early. It looked

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<v Speaker 1>like home court was absolutely the home cooking that they needed.

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<v Speaker 1>They were forcing turnovers, they were in a rhythm offensively.

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney Williams looked fire. Was it just the injury and

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<v Speaker 1>the foul trouble for Alanta Smith that turned the tight

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<v Speaker 1>or did you see something else?

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<v Speaker 2>Alana Smith leaving the floor was devastating for Minnesota because

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<v Speaker 2>it interrupted their defensive rotations. Minnesota has created so much

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<v Speaker 2>havoc and for so many Liberty turnovers that they feast

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<v Speaker 2>on their points off turnovers, averaging the double digits. In

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<v Speaker 2>this series. It's gigantic. And with that little tick of

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<v Speaker 2>an interruption in the rotation, that's how evenly matched these

0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.880
<v Speaker 2>teams are. It tilted toward the Liberty. It gave Sabrina

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<v Speaker 2>a little more room to operate in space, and it

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<v Speaker 2>gave New York its advantage coming into this series, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is size. John Quell Jones had five points in

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarter. She went on a little five oh

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<v Speaker 2>scoring run of her own when she said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to Stewie in that huddle when she said,

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<v Speaker 2>we are not leaping losing this game and she produced.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been waiting for JJ to exact her force and

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<v Speaker 2>she did it in that fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and it's something we've talked about with these two teams.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been incredible to watch Cheryl Reeve take this

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<v Speaker 1>collection of players with only one Drew superstar in the FISA,

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<v Speaker 1>Collier taking someone like Smith who was out of the league,

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<v Speaker 1>thought she would stay out of the league and then

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<v Speaker 1>got a call from James Wade, went to the Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>Sky and then ended up on this link squad. The

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<v Speaker 1>way shol Reef has put them together has been impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>But with somebody from that starting lineup, when one of

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<v Speaker 1>their big players go out and they have to start

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<v Speaker 1>making substitutions, it's a very different game for Minnesota. On

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<v Speaker 1>the liberty side, when you go to the bench, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring up you know, one of the greatest facilitators

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of the game in forty Van Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's swap out some of our superstars for other people

0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.520
<v Speaker 1>who would be absolutely starters on other teams. That depth

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<v Speaker 1>for the Liberty is a killer, So that seems like

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<v Speaker 1>something that will be really important for the Links in

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<v Speaker 1>game four in order to keep the series alive and

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<v Speaker 1>force in game five is to keep people out of

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<v Speaker 1>foul trouble and be able to have their leaders lead.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, if you're a New York Liberty player,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to call out screens for Leona Phoebeish oh

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<v Speaker 2>because girl is getting knock all.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally was going to ask you going down the line,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the top person who needs to buy our dinner?

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of them? Do? I think it might be

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<v Speaker 1>John Quall who's gotten the most A.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of dinners, for sure, But Foebish has got to

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<v Speaker 2>stay on the floor and upright. The defensive switch to

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<v Speaker 2>put Phoebish on McBride was brilliant because McBride struggled with

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<v Speaker 2>that extra height. Again, the Liberty have the advantage being

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<v Speaker 2>so tall. Feavish six 's four. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>those sightlines that were working so well for McBride and

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<v Speaker 2>Carleton went away, and that was huge. And how about

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<v Speaker 2>Niara sobely five steady minutes Rookie came in with some

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<v Speaker 2>energy and some oof and it just reminded me of

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation I had with head coach Kelly Graves at

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<v Speaker 2>Oregon who always told me keep an eye on Niara.

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<v Speaker 2>She is just a bigger version of the unicorn that

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<v Speaker 2>we know, as her sister saw to goes. If she

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<v Speaker 2>can stay healthy, she is going to wreck everybody. And

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<v Speaker 2>that I saw that on display, her effort, her energy,

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<v Speaker 2>her fire, her want, the liberty needed that they needed

0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.119
<v Speaker 2>to match what Courtley Williams brings to the floor, what

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<v Speaker 2>Fee has brought to the floor. They needed to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>You questioned their toughness muscle, you know, especially when they

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<v Speaker 2>get up so big and lose those leads. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was nice to see a young, young players in Foebish

0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.400
<v Speaker 2>and Sodly bring that toughness for New York.

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.360
<v Speaker 1>What can the Links do? What do the Links have

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<v Speaker 1>to do? What do you see going right for the Links?

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<v Speaker 1>In game four? To extend the series.

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<v Speaker 2>It's critical to know the health status of Smith. If

0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:24.439
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta Smith is not healthy and can't contribute, that's devastating.

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.640
<v Speaker 2>But then you tap Maysha heinz Allen on the shoulder,

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<v Speaker 2>remind her she's got a WNBA championship on her resume,

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<v Speaker 2>and to just channel it like we need you. You're

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<v Speaker 2>our person now and you have got to listen to

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.679
<v Speaker 2>the leaders on the floor of where you need to

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<v Speaker 2>be because she's disruptive and she is a sneaky good

0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.119
<v Speaker 2>shooter like New York was leaving her open a lot

0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.760
<v Speaker 2>in Game three, and if they do that in Game four,

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<v Speaker 2>m aj can make them pay.

0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:54.399
<v Speaker 1>What do the Liberty need to do? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>see happen in game four for the Liberty that helps

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<v Speaker 1>them to win their very first title.

0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.679
<v Speaker 2>The Liberty need to re watch Game four in the

0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.840
<v Speaker 2>loss against the Aces last year where they were this

0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.440
<v Speaker 2>close to extending the series and let go of the rope.

0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>They cannot do that again because Minnesota is happy to

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<v Speaker 2>force a Game five and we saw what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>Game one. Home court may as well not be in

0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.160
<v Speaker 2>play now. They may as well find an empty gym

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.080
<v Speaker 2>somewhere and do this because home court is not helping

0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.880
<v Speaker 2>like we normally see it, especially with the role players.

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.440
<v Speaker 2>That was stunning to me with Minnesota. The extra pieces

0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.200
<v Speaker 2>that she brings off the bench in like a Natisha Heideman,

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<v Speaker 2>just they were more effective in New York than they

0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.240
<v Speaker 2>were in Minnesota. So if that trend continues for Minnesota,

0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:42.920
<v Speaker 2>that could be problematic as well.

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.679
<v Speaker 1>And we've seen it across all sports. If you have

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to finish off a series and you allow

0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the other team to tie things back up, there shouldn't

0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.800
<v Speaker 1>be momentum either way. You're tied, but the momentum is

0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.400
<v Speaker 1>all with the team that extended the series and did

0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.679
<v Speaker 1>not allow themselves to be eliminated. The Liberty do not

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.439
<v Speaker 1>want to find out what that looks like if the

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<v Speaker 1>Links win Game four and force the Game five, And

0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I have to be honest if I'm making a pick,

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.200
<v Speaker 1>This collapse of fifteen point lead in the first quarter

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<v Speaker 1>feels different to me than when the Liberty did it

0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.240
<v Speaker 1>at home for a couple reasons, mainly because it's deeper

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.640
<v Speaker 1>into the series. There's less of that mental weight of it.

0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.720
<v Speaker 1>It feels like by this point you should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to not have the nerves get in the way, You

0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.960
<v Speaker 1>should be able to finish off a game like the

0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Links started out with. But also, the Liberty are a better,

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<v Speaker 1>deeper team. I believe that. I believe if you're just

0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.719
<v Speaker 1>talking who's a better team, Who should win this series.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be the Liberty. And so if you have

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<v Speaker 1>them on the ropes the way that they did and

0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.119
<v Speaker 1>you let them back in to win, it doesn't feel

0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.000
<v Speaker 1>like Game one. It feels like to me the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the series, the Liberty come out, and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>if I have to have a hot take, I say,

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<v Speaker 1>confidently win on Friday night.

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, confidently like they won in Game two.

0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that it doesn't come down to a final

0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.480
<v Speaker 1>shot that they that they get out ahead. Maybe hold it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see that. I know that the mathematics will

0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.000
<v Speaker 2>tell you that the team that goes up to one

0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:10.160
<v Speaker 2>wins the series eighty something percent of the time. So

0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that's a good sign for New York. They got a

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:18.640
<v Speaker 2>control fee. The Visa Collier presents a lot of problems,

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.280
<v Speaker 2>so the defense has to continue to stay locked in

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:27.320
<v Speaker 2>on her and switching up the defenses on Courtney Williams

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:31.719
<v Speaker 2>also imperative because those two players in particular, brings so

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:37.120
<v Speaker 2>much want to the table it's frightening. So I think

0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 2>more than skills that New York brings to the table,

0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.640
<v Speaker 2>it's between the ears. They have got to believe that

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 2>they can seal the deal on Friday.

0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the Phoenix Murcer whill we got you here.

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 2>You were better than a season ago.

0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Let's go there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you call this season a six for a failure

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<v Speaker 1>based on the pieces that they had a success?

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I think for as top heavy as the roster is

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.680
<v Speaker 2>or was for the twenty twenty four season, it was

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.639
<v Speaker 2>a great success. The integration of the new pieces in

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Kalia Copper, who finished the season second team All WNBA,

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:24.439
<v Speaker 2>had nine thirty point games, one shy of the Phoenix

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Mercury record set by Diana Tarrossi and Natasha Cloud, making

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<v Speaker 2>All defensive team in the WNBA, guarding positions one through

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<v Speaker 2>five for Nate Tibbets all season long. Those two in

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<v Speaker 2>particular were amazing. Diana was fantastic, putting up numbers that

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<v Speaker 2>she almost hit when she first came into this league

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seasons ago. It's and then Britney Griner finally found

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<v Speaker 2>her group. We saw flashes last season in our first

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 2>season back after that wrongful detention. But I saw BG smile.

0:23:56.920 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I saw Beg hit the best three two point percentage

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<v Speaker 2>on the team. She had a half for three point drives. Yeah,

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>so I just I saw Ney things. What I didn't

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.400
<v Speaker 2>see was a very deep bench, and that's where Phoenix

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 2>got exposed against the top tier of the league and

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<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs against Minnesota. And the thing that that

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota really showed me is that Phoenix is missing a four.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't had a great four since Candue to Decree

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 2>and that championship that was won back in twenty fourteen

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and the team that set the world on fire in

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:35.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen when BGI was just a rookie. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to have a four in this league, a big four

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<v Speaker 2>who can compete and score, because you see the fours

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 2>on display in these finals and Steuwie and fee ISJ.

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Wilson got eliminated because they didn't have enough depth. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's start. The full crumb is the four in this league.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk about Colia Copper. It makes

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<v Speaker 1>miss that the Chicago Sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the Sky.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm happy for her, on I miss her.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a mess. If you're going to let go Weather,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm listen, man, that's official dumpster fire status.

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 1>Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Put that on a coach in her first season, her

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<v Speaker 2>first one, I know, they messed around and almost made

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and why do you bring someone in in that

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<v Speaker 1>situation and then not give it time. It just doesn't

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.360
<v Speaker 1>make any sense. Okay, let's stick with Phoenix because I've

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>got plenty of time to mourn whatever the hell's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with this guy. Do you think the roster for

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 1>the for the Mercury is going to look similar or

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<v Speaker 1>different next season?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to look different because I don't

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 2>think Diana Tarroossi's name is going to be on there

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 2>for the first time since two thousand and four. I'm

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm putting that out there because I've been bracing myself,

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>feels this eventuality.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening. She hasn't said it, no.

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 2>But there's so many round numbers, right, twenty w NBA seasons,

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the exact number that Kobe played, and Kobe anointed DT

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the White Mamba, So there's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and then my friends of hers, you know, after

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that final game, there was a big party, and I

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>saw in the captions a hashtag if you know you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking that feels like the insiders are being

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<v Speaker 1>told this was a retirement party.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then I just go based on what I

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<v Speaker 2>saw across the floor, from me. Penny Taylor had court

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.160
<v Speaker 2>side seats, and the last two seasons I hadn't seen

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Penny at the kids at very many games. This season,

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<v Speaker 2>the second half of the season, they were at almost

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 2>every single game, and that was the bell for me.

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, Leo is sitting with her court side.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, here, we're taking in these moments. We're cataloging

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>memories now. So that was the big signal for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So, no, DT, what are they adding? Who else

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 1>makes sense to keep or get rid of? What else

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 1>do you anticipate in terms of changes?

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Then, well, it all depends on who they protect right

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 2>for the Valkyries expansion draft and who else is available

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 2>from other teams because of that expansion draft. I would

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>love to see Melissa Smith a big four in Phoenix.

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Kelsey Mitchell is an unrestricted free agent, Satu Sabai is

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>an unrestricted free agent, and Phoenix has all the bells

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and whistles right. They've got an owner who is ready

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<v Speaker 2>to write checks, and they've got a brand new fifty

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>eight thousand square foot practice facility that is elite. So

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to creature comforts and how players should

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>be treated, there's a handful of teams that can offer

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 2>those to players and free agents, and Phoenix is one

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of them.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you given a grade for Nate Tibbitts in

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>his first year as head coach.

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I give him a bee. I thought he did a

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>very good job of leaning on Christy Tolliver, his associate

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 2>head coach, and learning the league quickly. I think he's

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>a good ex'es and O's guy. I just don't think

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 2>that he had the personnel to run what he wanted

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 2>to do the thirty three these attempts. Again, he just

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't have that much three point shooting on his roster.

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>But I understand his vision of what he wants. Now

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>it's up to matt Ishbia and the leadership to give

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.919
<v Speaker 2>him the pieces that he needs for that offense to function.

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>It would be very akin to what we see from

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota and New York.

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>We're keeping a NYE a couple big picture of things

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>in the w that includes the CBA conversations. That includes

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 1>the potential for players to start looking ahead to that

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 1>renegotiation and having it affect their deals. I know someone

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 1>pointed out Stue mentioned she only plans on one year

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>deals going forward. That's something that her old teammate Sue

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Byrd was the master of for her last few years

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>in the league. Can you see a whole bunch of

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>players all saying, why would I sign more than a

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 1>one year deal when we know that this potential reorg

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>is coming down the pike and I might have a

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>little more leverage to deal with? Might we have absolute

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>insane free agency right ahead the twenty twenty sixth season.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think so. I know if I was an

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>unrestricted free agent and I had the opportunity to shot

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>my skills to the highest bidder, but knew more money

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 2>was on the table down the pike, you bet that

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 2>is a good business decision. And I think it will

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>make for electric team building because you got to get

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>good and fast.

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>And now we'll have unrivaled where a bunch of players

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>will get to play with folks that aren't on their

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>w team, get a chemistry going, get relationships going. I

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>mean that whole league is basically just Tampa City, USA.

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm just going to rename Miami. You don't know

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Miami anymore. We're going to Tampa City.

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Tampa City, USA. I don't even know how it's legal

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.719
<v Speaker 1>but I'm fired up for it. I'm also fired up

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>for this Game four of the WNBA Finals. Cindy, thank

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you so much for getting us ready for it in

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>a way that only you could. Your voice is been

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>so important to this league and you continue to be

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>a leader in the space, and we so appreciate all

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>of your efforts and especially your efforts coming on our

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>show today.

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, thanks so much. Appreciate you. A reminder, Athletes Unlimited

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 2>will start season four. They're going to be in Nashville,

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 2>so you'll have a five on five option against the

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 2>three x three option four Unrivaled. And shout out to

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>TNT for not only saying we're going to broadcast the

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Unrivaled games, we're going to be a partner in the league.

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>That is ten toes down and it is so nice

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 2>to see.

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, women's hoops fans are spoiled right now. We're

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>going to get one of the most highly anticipated college

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>seasons of all time, plus Nashville AU plus Unrivaled in January.

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.239
<v Speaker 1>It's almost too much. How can we be expect to

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>have jobs even if our jobs are to watch basketball?

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, that's the beauty of it, right Like, oh,

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>it never ends, Like I was really happy that I

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't have time to take a vacation. Here you go,

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 2>my WNBA season ended, and then it was like, okay,

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I got to get ready for ten and Big twelve

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 2>and all right, here we go. So yeah, it's a

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 2>nice problem to have, for sure.

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Amazing, so spoiled. Thank you, Cindy, Thank you, Thanks so

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 1>much to Cindy for chatting with us, such a pros pro.

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 1>We got to take another break when we come back.

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 1>How many powerful women's sports athletes can you fit into

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>one room? Welcome back slices. I am still recovering from

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 1>an incredible night at the fiftieth anniversary celebration of the

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Women's Sports Foundation. Every year they throw an incredible galap

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>but they really pulled out all the stops for this

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 1>one and number fifty, including killer videos for each decade

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 1>of the Foundation's existence, mixing political and current events footage

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>with the top women's sports performances of the decades. I'm

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>going to post clips from some of those to my

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:50.959
<v Speaker 1>Instagram at Spain two three two three so you can

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>check them out. So good. They even brought out a

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>few of the women from each generation on stage, including

0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>basketball legends Cheryl Miller and Myers Drysdale, Swin Cash Marathon groundbreaker,

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Katherine Switzer, Paralympic legend, Tatiana McFadden, Pool Shark, the Black

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Widow aka Janette Lee, Knockout Queen Claressa, Shields hockey great,

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Kendall Coin, Schofield, and more fun side note, Claressa was

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom talking to someone from the Women's Sports

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Foundation complaining about the highlight videos not having enough of

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>her knocking people out freaking hilarious. They were like, you

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>were in plenty of the video. She was like, but

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to be knocking bitches out so good. Julie

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Foudy and Ari Chambers were incredible hosts for the evening

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>and they took us in a Fax time machine through

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 1>those generations of footage, including costume changes. And let me

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>just tell you, Foudy can rock a seventies jumpsuit. That's

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>all I gotta say. I want to send a big

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>thank you to CEO Dennette Layton. I want to congratulate

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>friend of the show, current President of the Wind Sports Foundation,

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Scout Bassett. I want to say what's up to founder

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Billy Jean King for starting the whole thing fifty years ago. Honoree,

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Alana Klaus and everyone else for just a really powerful,

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>incredible evening. We'll have some more stories from the Galla

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>next week, including sharing some powerful words from one of

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Wilma Rudolph's teammates from the nineteen sixty Olympics, eighty seven

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>year old Lucinda Williams, and how she and Tobinheath wove

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a story about the thread that ties female athletes together.

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>It was really cool. But for now, I just want

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>to give a shout out to friend of the show

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Monica McNutt, who probably, like right before we were at

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the gala together, signed a multi year contract extension with ESPN.

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>We love to see it. So congrats to Monica. And

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 1>here's a couple questions I asked her in honor of

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.719
<v Speaker 1>the Women's Sports Foundations big fiftieth anniversary.

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 3>What is your.

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<v Speaker 1>Favorite women's sports memory from the last fifty years?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 4>Fifty years? I think, oh man, that's so hard, okay

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 4>for me, Definitely falling in love with the Williams sisters.

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 4>I remember there being so formative and then I got

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 4>us still go back to my origin story. Shout out

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 4>to WNBA nineteen ninety seven, like the comments, these are leslies.

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 3>There's a weatherspore, we're back of love. Oh yeah, So

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 3>for me, those are the things that come to top

0:33:58.240 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 3>of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, if you had a team, I'm a professional team

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<v Speaker 1>in the city where you're from?

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Where are you from?

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 2>And what would the name be? Oh?

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, do I go the major city that I'm from

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 3>or like the actual city city?

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Either one?

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 4>All right, there's already professional teams in DC. So if

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna bring them straight all the way to

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 4>my city of Suitland, Maryland, I don't know. I want

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 4>them to be like the rough Riders or something. We're

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 4>a basketball city. We're a basketball region for sure.

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Last one, any athlete past or current that you would.

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 3>Want to be teammates with?

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so can I tell you I don't fangirl often

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 4>we work in this whatever.

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 3>But Cheryl Miller is like, what athlete do you want

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 3>to go? See? That played?

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 4>Before you got around to see what athlee do you

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 4>want to be teammates with?

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's schel Miller, Show Miller, Shoel Miller.

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<v Speaker 4>And she was so cool today and I like introduced

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<v Speaker 4>myself to her and was trying to be cool, but

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<v Speaker 4>I really.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't at all.

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<v Speaker 4>But she's here and she'll be celebrated along with her teammates,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's such a dope event.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always a great night, but fifty makes it extra special.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Monica. Love those answers, and thanks again to

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<v Speaker 1>the Women's Sports Foundation. More about that night coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the show in a few days. We always love you're listening,

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<v Speaker 1>It's super easy. Watch New York Cabby's asking where you're

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<v Speaker 1>going before they let you in their car, rating negative

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<v Speaker 1>fifty eleven piles of street garbage review. Isn't it your

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<v Speaker 1>job to get me where I need to go? Am

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<v Speaker 1>I going uptown or downtown?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to decide whether to unlock your doors and

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<v Speaker 1>let me in based on where I'm headed. We do

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<v Speaker 1>not do this in civilized cities. We hail, we get in,

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<v Speaker 1>we say where we're going, they take us there. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship that we've all agreed upon. Okay, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you got shifts and you got to drop the cab off, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that my problem? I'm just more on out

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<v Speaker 1>here on these streets who usually barely knows if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>headed down or up down. You're the one who's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to know where things are. That's the point.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>One time I was literally halfway to the airport in

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<v Speaker 1>New York when a cabby pulled up next to another one.

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<v Speaker 1>They talked, and then he passed me off like a

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<v Speaker 1>joint to the other cab driver just got me right

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<v Speaker 1>out of his car, suitcase and all, and had the

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<v Speaker 1>other guy finish the ride to LaGuardia. It's a wild

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<v Speaker 1>system you got here in New York, absolutely wild. All right, Now,

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