1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,520 Speaker 1: Warrying. 2 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 2: Today's episode contaves spoilers for the original trilogy and the 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: prequel Star Wars trilogies. You've seen those, though, come on you. 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 3: Define you gotta see them, guys. 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 4: I believe in. 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: Hello, it was Jason and on Mesday Night and welcome 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: back to x ray video of the podcast Movie Dive 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: even your favorite shows, movies, colleges, and pop culture company 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: from Myra Podcast. We're to bring you three episodes a 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday plus news. 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 5: In today's episode, we are calling in the Rebel Alliance. 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 5: They catch it Han and Anakin is killing younglings. Boo, 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 5: that was don't do it, guy, don't go ahead. 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 4: It's you know that I've been never gonna let you 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 4: live it down. Join us as we. 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 5: Revisit some of the most horrific moments and some of 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 5: Star Wars's best and most depressing pictures. 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: Okay, folks, welcome to our round table where we are 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: welcoming super producer Joel Mooney. Joel, how are you hey? 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: Good Sun's good day. We get to talk about Star Wars. 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: That's right, And today we are talking about two movies 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: that I think we probably agree with the consensus that 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: these are the two best movies in their respective trilogies, 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: And of course it is a wonderful anniversary for these films, 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: this being the forty fifth anniversary of The Empire Strikes Back, 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: which debuted in May of nineteen eighty back in the 27 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: Days of Your End, Revenge of the Sith, which premiered 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: twenty years ago. This way, so, folks, let's talk about 29 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: that first point. Are these indeed the best films in 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: their perspective trilogies? 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 6: Joelle by far and away like light years speeds away. 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 6: Revenge of the Sith is the best film, and it's 33 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 6: got issues, but I have. 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: I went back and. 35 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 6: Watched The Attack of the Clones and the description on 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 6: Disney Plus is like Padme and Anakin fall in love. 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, that's a description. 38 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 6: For this, okay, And that's literally just politics Anaka and Pame, 39 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 6: politics Anakin and Pame. 40 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, there's no sa. 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 5: And obi Wan's like weird secret mission, his like weird 42 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 5: secret spy mission. 43 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. String together. 44 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 6: That is when these movies sing, is when obi Wan 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 6: and Anakin are together. 46 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: Every time you pull them apart, it's a catastrophe. Yeah. 47 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: But Revenge of the synth. 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 6: We get the whole, like the coming of them together 49 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 6: as brothers and more like equals in the opening shots 50 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 6: just kiss fabulous. And then you get everything on Moustafar, 51 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 6: which is such a freaking ha. 52 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: You can't even believe it. 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 6: You get Yoda dueling the lightsaber on the center. 54 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: My lord, Oh we love flying Yoda. 55 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: In this house. 56 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 6: Okay, event this says effing rocks, scores galory great, great great, 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 6: and an empire strikes back. It's like one of those 58 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 6: movies where you know, I don't remember a time where 59 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 6: I can't recall that movie, you know, like it was 60 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 6: just always on when I was a kid. My dad, 61 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 6: you know, was like, if this is a film they can. 62 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: Watch, it's great. I'm shocked at how good it is. 63 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 6: The editing doesn't make like where are they cut and 64 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 6: how they're jumping in and out of these scenes should 65 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 6: make no sense, but it's so emotionally you're You're like, 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 6: we're in there, they're in the ship, and now we're 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 6: like back out with Vader, and now we're like landing 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 6: the ship and now we're leaving again. 69 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: You're like, what are these scenes? 70 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: Like? 71 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 6: They make no logical sense, but emotionally, timing wise, almost musically. 72 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: It works, and it's fast and it's tight. 73 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 6: You get begin Yoda being an MVP in the the film, 74 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 6: everything about it, who works, and then that ending which 75 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 6: you can never see coming in a million years. 76 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: It was just they get. 77 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 6: What Tahn the baddest you betray? 78 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so good. 79 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 6: It's so day remains quality Love Empire strikes. 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 2: Back, Rosie your thoughts. So these are the two best 81 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: of their respective trilogies. 82 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 3: Okay, are these my two favorites? 83 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 5: Like? Probably not Like REMEMBLESSI I do think is the best, 84 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 5: Like I do think it's the best one. 85 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: Well, favorite and best, I think different conversations. 86 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm obviously I'm a return of the Jedi like Superstand. 87 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 5: But and It Takes Back is like a fucking masterpiece. 88 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 5: And when I was rewatching it last night, I was 89 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 5: just blown away again by like the production design and 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 5: the kind of like spaces that they chose to film 91 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 5: in the Hawk opening is like so unbelievable and just 92 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 5: still to this day looks so fas fantastic. 93 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the creature work is impeccable. 94 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 4: Like all the things I love about Star Wars. 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 5: Which is feeling like I'm in a different world and 96 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 5: spending time with all different kinds of people who navigate 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 5: that world. I think Empire does super well. And I 98 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 5: also think that Empire is continuing like a grand tradition 99 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 5: that we don't often get in films in the same way, 100 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: but that we always get in like literature, which is 101 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 5: kind of the autumnal ending, like the you know, have 102 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 5: you ever read Persuasion by Jane Austen. They make you 103 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 5: study it when you're a kid, right, And it was 104 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 5: like super controversial when it came out because at the end, 105 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 5: like she marries the guy and then she's like, Eh, 106 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 5: my life kind of sucks, actually, like. 107 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: Was it worth me going through this like experience? 108 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,119 Speaker 5: And I recently wrote an article about how The Hunger 109 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 5: Games follows in that tradition, and I think The Empire 110 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 5: for a lot of people was one of the first 111 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 5: times where they watched a movie that had an unhappy ending, 112 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 5: like a film where you think you're following the heroes, 113 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 5: you think something good is going to happen, you think 114 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 5: you know what is to expect, you've seen a new hope, 115 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 5: but you end in a situation that is absolutely not 116 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 5: that you end in a tragic situation, you end in 117 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 5: a situation of loss, you end in a situation of darkness. 118 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 5: And I think that was pretty radical in like forty 119 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 5: five for what was at this point a blockbuster movie 120 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 5: because of how successful the first one was, Like forty 121 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 5: five years ago, You're not getting that unless it's like 122 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 5: a movie like Thief or like an indie kind of 123 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 5: crime movie. And I think that really still just stands 124 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 5: out to me so much. And also the fact that 125 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 5: like Empire, I think about this a lot, but the 126 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 5: budget was like eight million dollars. 127 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: Like the blunniest way. 128 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: I think it was a little more like eleven or 129 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: something or thirty. 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: And I think he had to get like that. He 131 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: had to get the deal from like. 132 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: The Bang nineteen eighty money though, which is I. 133 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just like completely crazy to me that 134 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 5: this movie costs so little and looks so fantastic. And 135 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 5: also I think expands on like Leah, who's one of 136 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 5: my favorite characters, and I think she gets like a 137 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 5: totally different kind of story in this, which I love. 138 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 5: And yeah, I just I just think this is like 139 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 5: a classic and it's still every time I put it on, 140 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 5: it still just hooks me. There's no like putting this 141 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 5: on in the background. It's not a vibes movie. It 142 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 5: is like a narrative film. How about you, Jason, I listen. 143 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: I agree that these are the best movies in their trilogy. 144 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: I agree with Joel that Revenge of the Sith is 145 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: by far, far away, no question, best movie of the 146 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: prequel trilogies, which are beloved but bad movies, I think 147 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: is a thing that we can say right now. Some 148 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: of that badness, I believe does Persistvegulous is the stilted, 149 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: strange dialogue, particularly anytime Padme and Anakin are talking about anything. 150 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: It's like, who what humans have ever spoken this way 151 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: to each other? 152 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 4: With their yeah yeah yeah. 153 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Be that as it may. 154 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: Action incredible even like the like the politics is very 155 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: dense here. 156 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: This is you know it. 157 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: It wasn't incorrect, like we know now. 158 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: This ship is like very prescient. 159 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: The culmination of Sheeve's plan involves multiple betrayals of characters 160 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: who were secretly working for him, including Dooku, including General Grievous, 161 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: although General Grievous is several layers removed, and so that 162 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: can be confusing. But even there, just like the action, 163 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: everything is so propulsive that it works. You've got you know, 164 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: the iconic lightsaber duel between Obi Wan and Anakin set 165 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: to a duel of the fates, proving that once again 166 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: by that, you know, Star Wars can deliver music that 167 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: is timeless, like even at that late stage. And I 168 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: think that overall it's really good. You know, it's a 169 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: fantastic film that that goes into the darkness in a 170 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: way that even Empire doesn't like it. 171 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 4: He needs more depressing ending than Empire. 172 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: Which you in the in the completely lost and in 173 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 2: the dark and the Jedi have fallen and there they're scattered. 174 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: Obi Wan and Yoda are in hiding. Padme is dead, 175 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: Padme is dead. Darth Vader has risen, very very very scary. 176 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: And then for Empire, listen, you know what more needs 177 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: to be said? I think to me, I watched it, 178 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: rewatched it last week, and the thing that stands out 179 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: for me is the way that the characters continue to 180 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: evolve from Star Wars. Yes, yes, Luke at a place 181 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: where he's accomplished so much and now he's almost you know, 182 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: he's in full brat mode like I, you know, I 183 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 2: destroyed the death Star I know the force a little bit. 184 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: Now I'm getting lectured by this frog like. 185 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 4: Going on. 186 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: And then you have Han and Leah struggling with new responsibilities, 187 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: with their feelings for each other. Han just like not 188 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: being able to deal with the fact that like he's 189 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 2: in love with this woman who wants to do her 190 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: job and doesn't want to just spend time with him, 191 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: the fact that he can't deal with that. And then 192 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: you know, this is some of the best acting in 193 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: Star Wars period, when Mark Hamill says, not just post 194 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: the duel with Darth right, Darth reaches out to him 195 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: and contacts him through the force, and he said, and 196 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: mark Hamill goes father, you know, after this, like he's 197 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: been beaten and he's like holding the stump of his hand, 198 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: but there's still like a warmth in it, except and 199 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: so yeah, you know, like I rejected that at the time, 200 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: but I accept it. 201 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 5: And also like who doesn't want that, Like who doesn't 202 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 5: want that feeling if you've never had a fo. 203 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 3: And it's so believable. 204 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: Mark Hamill really taps into something there and then like 205 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: beyond the like I love you, I know, the kind 206 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: of like dashing swash Buckler Riz of that moment. There 207 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: is also the way that Hans's friends are heartbroken as 208 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: he's getting dropped into this into the carbon freeze. Shoey's 209 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: losing My god, that's his real boyfriend, Shoey. No, don't 210 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: do this, like not now, even C three po like 211 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: his like his like churlishness is you kind of feel 212 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: it in a different way in that moment Leah's heartbreak 213 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: like it's it's emotional moments here par excellence in Star 214 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: Wars and yes, all of which is to say these 215 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: are the best films in their trilogy. But I agree 216 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: with you, Rosie, like listen, I'm an ending stand and 217 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: so you're the Jedi. For me, it's hard for me 218 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: to watch Empire and not be like, well, I gotta 219 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: watch them blow up the Second Death Star yep, and 220 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 2: actually win in Return of the Jedi. Let's take a 221 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: quick break and we'll be right back to continue this conversation. 222 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 3: And we're back. 223 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: I want to know, like, how often do you rewatch 224 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 5: these movies because these are on like perennial. Star Wars 225 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 5: are like perennial rewatches for me, and I will say 226 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 5: I think Revenge of the Sith extremely rewatchable. I do 227 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 5: think I also do watch Empire, but as Jason makes 228 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 5: the point of, I usually watch it as part of 229 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 5: like a full trilogy rewatch I don't often just I 230 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 5: put it on last night and I watched that. I 231 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 5: watched Revenge of the Sith before this so that we 232 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 5: could talk about it. 233 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 3: But definitely like they are. 234 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 5: I do think that in that way, they are not 235 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 5: necessarily like movies that you just put on for like vibes. 236 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 5: You know, They're not necessarily in the same way as 237 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 5: some fandom movies, because I think both of them are 238 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 5: quite emotionally taxing and need kind of a closer watch. Joelle, 239 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 5: how about you, are these Star Wars movies that you 240 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 5: often put back on and just kind of have one 241 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 5: as you're doing your thing. 242 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. Thanksgiving is for Lord of the Rings. Star 243 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: Wars is for Christmas. There you used to be another 244 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: Christmas series, but we don't talk about that one no more. 245 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: So it's. 246 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 3: Oh no, not that Christmas series. I just mean the 247 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: holiday specially. 248 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 6: So I love watching Star Wars at Christmas. Usually I'm 249 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 6: at home. It's a good tend to revisit with dad, 250 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 6: you know, go through It's interesting because the sequels have 251 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 6: never made the rotation, like I feel like we're all 252 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 6: we're prequels. Okay, fie like originals. Absolutely it must watch sequels. 253 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 6: I will frequently want I love Rogue One. I'm a 254 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 6: Rogue one san as you guys know. And then I'll 255 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 6: also watched The Last Jedi and that's pretty much it 256 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 6: from our post two thousand and five collection. But yeah, 257 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 6: I think that's the appropriate time to watch them. I 258 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 6: also think they could make good Fourth of July movie watches. 259 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 6: If you're into that take Down the Empire with Star Wars, 260 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 6: it's good times. 261 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: I like that. 262 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: For me, Empire is a rewatch. I'll rewatch it, and 263 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: often as a I'll often start there and rewatch just 264 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: Empire and Return of the Jedi for Revenge of This Sith. 265 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: It's like a moment's thing, like I'll watch the Grievous fight, 266 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: or I'll. 267 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 5: Like the end game Captain America picking up the Hammer. 268 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 5: You just go back and watch moments. 269 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: I'll watch the entire Duel of the Fates sequence with 270 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: Yoda and Obi Wan fighting their way into the Senate House, 271 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: and then eventual the big duel with Anakin and obi 272 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: Wan like I'll watch from there basically, you know, the 273 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: last half hour forty minutes of the film, Like, I'll 274 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: just watch because I do find a lot of the 275 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: other stuff still kind of very stilted and like being full. 276 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: Although I will say she is such a scene stealer, yeah, oh, 277 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: chewing up the scene, chewing it that I almost find 278 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: myself thinking, God, you know, they should have drilled down 279 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: on this guy more. 280 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 6: Imagine instead of it has been his series. 281 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: Love taking all I machinations. 282 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, deciding to extend the Clone Wars to keep you know, 283 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: to keep the separatest crisis kind of like running so 284 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: he can continue to accumulate power. Like all of these 285 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: moves kind of happening behind the scenes, Like the Douku 286 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: portrayal should have hit harder, the moment where Douku where 287 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: she was like get him killing Yeah you see Douco 288 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: sec Wait, that's I thought we were gonna kill them, 289 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: the only one can you kill the Jedi? 290 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 6: But also consistence, I'm remaining quiet even even in your death, 291 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 6: you remain a loyal servant. 292 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: You're like, holy shit, like this guy is locked in. 293 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: That's really true, But I thought, you know, you later 294 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: find out through other things, right di Duco was legitimately 295 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: plotting against she of course says are doing that, But 296 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: we should have had more of that, like put me 297 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: in that, like help me feel the tension between Duco 298 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: being like, you know what she doesn't really believe in, 299 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: like the things that because you know, the Separatists had 300 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: legitimate gripes. And when you learn more about Doku and 301 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: his his biography, you honestly I find him to be 302 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: one of the more fascinating characters from that absolutely period 303 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: of no question, who's you know, the rich kid whose 304 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: heart was in the right place. And to see him 305 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: like dispatched so quickly and for and for you know, 306 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: Christopher Leed. 307 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: He puts so much in that. 308 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: Moment of surprise when she went Palpatine. 309 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 4: Was lam it. 310 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: You just I'm just like, man, I wish there was 311 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: more of that. 312 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: So that's really my thing. 313 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: I love all the Palpatine stuff, particularly for Revenge, but man, 314 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: it leaves you feeling like it should have been his story. 315 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: The trilogy should have just been about him, basically. 316 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 5: Like for me, it's hard to be completely objective about 317 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 5: the prequels because they really did hit a time when 318 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 5: I was like, I remember going to see that, and 319 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 5: I was like, I don't know, I must have been 320 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: like ten or some shit, because I was running down 321 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 5: the street with like a stick that I was pretending 322 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 5: was a light saber. And I've been to see all 323 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 5: the re releases with my mom, and I saw to 324 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 5: Menace and I think I just thought it was like good. 325 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 5: I don't think I had any deep feelings about it, 326 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 5: but like I went to the Clone Wars, I went 327 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 5: and stood outside the Clone Wars premiere to get like 328 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 5: my Star Wars book signed. 329 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 4: By George Lucas. And by the time we came. 330 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 5: To Revenge, I think it did deliver for me. And obviously, 331 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 5: like I really loved it because obviously the original name 332 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 5: of Return of the Jedi was meant to be Revenge 333 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 5: of the Jedi, but Jedis can't feel revenge, so there 334 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 5: was a lot of kind of all of that kind 335 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 5: of swept up for me in it. And then obviously 336 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 5: we kind of grew up and we realized, well, the 337 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 5: movies aren't that great, but what was kind of incredible 338 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 5: that I've loved to see, And this is why I 339 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 5: kind of am loathed to call them like bad movies, 340 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 5: even if I can objectively like sport issues with them. 341 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: When I worked at the comic book Shop, I. 342 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 5: Learned that for like a the Generation under Us, like 343 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 5: gen Z, those were like their original trilogy, and to them, 344 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 5: Revenge is like their empire, right, Like they really do 345 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 5: think it is that movie that they love that they 346 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 5: watched every weekend when it was on reruns on USA 347 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 5: or whatever. So like I just have like such a 348 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 5: nostalgic love for that era of like being excited it 349 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 5: was like that and Lord of the Rings, like I 350 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 5: was there at every premiere like outside trying to get 351 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 5: my little signatures from Lego Lass or whatever. And I 352 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 5: think like the releases of these prequels came at a 353 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 5: time when they made people excited about movies again, and I. 354 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 4: Think that is like very magical. 355 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 5: And I still really remember that even when I'm like 356 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 5: watching I'm like, I'm gonna try and watch all of 357 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 5: Star Wars in relig like in order chronologically, and I 358 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 5: know that those tariffs, I'm like, this is Dragon, babe. 359 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, this is not the Dragon. 360 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 5: Like I'm like, speed up the plan Sheep, like speed 361 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 5: up the past. 362 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: For through this part. 363 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think like from a film history point, there's 364 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 6: so much to love about the ambition of these films. 365 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: I completely agree, not just what. 366 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 6: Was trying to be cheap, but like what was actually achieved. 367 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 6: This is the first film made with a digital camera. 368 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 6: This is like, you know, the first film we're trying 369 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 6: special effects like this, many lasers and shit. I will 370 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 6: say that, I will say that while I I. 371 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: Completely respect the pioneer the technological vision of Lucas here 372 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 2: and the pioneering use of digital technology the way you 373 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: said he needed a story, I do also think it 374 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: comes in the service of the fact that and this 375 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: is I think pretty clear from George's interviews contemporaneously and 376 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: after the fact that he's he says numerous times when 377 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: talking about the technology, I'm not good working with actors 378 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: and connecting with them, and it's just much easier to 379 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: do this all digitally move them around. 380 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: George. 381 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: So, while I I think very important films technologically, it 382 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: also like it kind of comes in the service of, 383 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: like George's worst, the worst thing that he has to 384 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: give the filmmaking arts. Although but I agree with you 385 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: that the bones, the plot stuff that now at the 386 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 2: time it felt so clunky and like overly dance at 387 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: the time. Now is like you're sitting with the flames 388 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: of like the United States of America like falling on you. 389 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 4: You're like, actually, well, this is like we he was 390 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: ahead of his time. 391 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 5: I would also say something I love about Revenge when 392 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 5: it comes to like the things that speak to us 393 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 5: about it, is like it expanded the world a lot, 394 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 5: you know, most of far like Kashik. I'm like a 395 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 5: Wookie lover, you know, so to like see the attack, 396 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 5: like Yoda has to go to Kashik. And I think 397 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 5: that those elements and also I will say when it 398 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 5: comes to a kind of prequel situation, another reason I 399 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 5: think Revenge stands as one of the best entries is 400 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 5: and the best obviously of the prequels, is because it 401 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 5: also like has those direct like connections, like we knew 402 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 5: that Darth Vader went through this, We knew this was 403 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 5: what had led him here. We knew we knew if 404 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 5: you had read the books that like there were these 405 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 5: stories that George wanted to tell. 406 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 3: So I think like the payoff of actually getting to see. 407 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 5: The origin of Darth Vader in that final movie and no, 408 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 5: and like see that was kind of like, I think 409 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 5: that that felt very momentous, even if now you know 410 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 5: it's a little bit corny and it's kind of take 411 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 5: maybe takes away a little bit from how you feel 412 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 5: about Darth or whatever. I think that even though people, 413 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 5: you know, they critique Hayden so horribly, he was another 414 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 5: person who was really like impacted by the releases of 415 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 5: these movies and that kind of toxic fan culture that 416 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 5: was around them. 417 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: Actually, I think like by the end of this movie, you. 418 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 5: Were so devastated to see what happens to him, even 419 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 5: on rewatch, like and I do think the Mustafar scene, 420 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 5: and then you know, you're. 421 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 4: I've got the higher ground. 422 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 5: Like those moments that have become so mean, they are 423 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 5: actually still effective because you do care about those characters 424 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 5: by the end of this movie, which feels impossible when 425 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 5: you're watching Bandom, Menace and Clone Wars, because it's like 426 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 5: there's so many issues with the characterizations. 427 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: But once you. 428 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 5: Get to this, you're like, oh my god, no, this 429 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 5: is this is bad times guys like this is they just. 430 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 6: Start Anakin off way too angry and they don't give 431 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 6: him time to really evolve and descend, you know, to mention. 432 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: Clone War's the animated series. 433 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 6: One of the greatest things it does is it really 434 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 6: showcases like the Empire's failings and why Anakin would be 435 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 6: disillusioned with the promises that the Jedi have made, which 436 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 6: out of the film seems to come out of nowhere. 437 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 6: You're just like, wait, what what what didn't the. 438 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: Jedi do the show? Why what happened? 439 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 6: But I do think to your point, Rosie, like, to me, 440 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 6: there's no more effective moment in all of the prequels 441 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 6: then Anakin sliced up on the side of his volcano. 442 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 6: Just you're like, oh God, like he's lost to the rage, 443 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 6: Like he's really like Hyden is absolutely dialed in in 444 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 6: that moment, back. 445 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: To that like teenage childhood let down. 446 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 5: Because I speaker, and we've talked about this, you know, 447 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 5: as fans, we talk about this like Yoda fucking sucks, 448 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 5: like obi Wan fucking sucks as an actual mental like 449 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 5: they are not good at this stuff, Like Yoda will 450 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 5: literally die rather than tell Luke the truth. 451 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 6: Yoda would rather die than tell them. 452 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 4: No. 453 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 6: Literally, obi Wan comes back and he's like, Hey, I've 454 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 6: got this kid, No matter what you say, I'm gonna 455 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 6: train him as a Jedi and he's like, well, suck, 456 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 6: what can I do? 457 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: I guess he's got to be trained as a Jedi. 458 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: You're the leader, I. 459 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 5: Will say, one of my favorite things. And this is 460 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 5: like such an us. 461 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: Like in the weeds kind of thing. 462 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 5: But like another reason I always think about Revenge of 463 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 5: the Sith is In twenty seventeen, like Sarah Johng wrote 464 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 5: this article called did inadequate Women's Healthcare destroy Star Wars? 465 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 4: All Over? 466 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 5: And it's basically about how like the whole way through, 467 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 5: like no one talks about like padme going to a 468 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 5: doctor or having any prenatal care or and like obviously 469 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 5: you know, other women die in this universe and kind 470 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 5: of I love I remember that being one of those 471 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 5: pieces that I really connected to as like, oh, there 472 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 5: are like so many interesting ways to talk about the 473 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 5: things that we love. And that was just the same 474 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 5: year that I really started to get into journalism, and 475 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 5: I think about it a lot because I also think 476 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 5: about how the vision of one au te, especially if 477 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 5: it's only gonna ever, really have their one lived experience. 478 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 5: And it's kind of funny how something like well, what's 479 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 5: it like for a woman to give birth, like could 480 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 5: that be something that's dangerous just never comes up? And 481 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 5: I always think about that as one of those talking 482 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 5: points where I was like, Okay, talking about this stuff 483 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 5: can be just as inventive and radical and interesting as 484 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 5: the piece of art itself. 485 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: That was like very definitive for me. 486 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: I found Anakin's Rage off putting at the time these 487 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: movies came out, and now it's you know, like a 488 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that was put in here it 489 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: makes a lot more. It feels like in the age 490 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: of insults and school shootings, you know, Anakin is like 491 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: unabashedly a school spree killer, like in the Cannon of 492 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 2: the It. 493 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: All makes a lot. 494 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: It feels it feels prescient in a way that feels 495 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: less fun but also like I have to respect his vision. 496 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 2: I also think the thing that remains funny to me 497 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: about Reelismith and Anekid's rage is like how pushed over 498 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: the edge he gets because he doesn't get a promotion. 499 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: He doesn't get promoted to and. 500 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 4: That's not fair. 501 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 6: He gets the promotion, he just doesn't get the full 502 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 6: title he won. 503 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 7: He doesn't get a new title at work, and he 504 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 7: is like this is outrageous. Really, you're all the fucking 505 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 7: Jedi Council, the youngest guy to ever do it. 506 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: And because you don't get the full title. 507 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: Bump, you're screaming in the middle of a meeting that 508 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: this is outrage and you're gonna tell your friend Palpatine 509 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: about it. And by the way, for the Yoda defenders 510 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: out there, this is when Yoda should have been like, Okay, 511 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: let me see, did we know the Sith are back? 512 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 2: And then they're plotting, and I feel the presence of 513 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: the Sith all around us, moving events in ways that 514 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: we can't see. Our young padawan, who has been prophised 515 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: to be the Chosen One, has been hanging out with 516 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: Senator Sheef Palpatine a lot, and every time he comes 517 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: back from hanging out with him, he's like in a 518 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: different and new rage about something. And by the way, 519 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: it was also Palpatine who leaned on us to make 520 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 2: him a member of the Jedi Council can I And. 521 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 5: Yoda was also like, well, there's only the rule of 522 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 5: two as well, so maybe the fact that there's just 523 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 5: the two of them hanging out all the time, like 524 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 5: how do I. 525 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: Put these all together? 526 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 4: This man is never he is like so useless. 527 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 5: He's so useless, but will so say another thing about 528 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 5: and like another thing I think about Avenger of the 529 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 5: Sith that is like, yeah, it's so funny. It's just like, 530 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 5: just have a fucking conversation. This is a peak like 531 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 5: have a conversation movie, like please two people have a 532 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 5: conversation together and understand what is going on. But we 533 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 5: do get as well some really fantastic additions. This is 534 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 5: where Genevieve O'Reilly was cast as mon Motma and never 535 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 5: got a speaking role and is now an and or 536 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 5: you know, like this is where we we have like 537 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 5: Tamura Morrison portraying Commander Cody kind of explained like building 538 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 5: out that clone law from the second I think that 539 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 5: this movie just establishes so many incredible kind of moments 540 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 5: that would obviously go on to reshape Star Wars as 541 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 5: we know it. And yeah, obviously me and Jason Bigger, 542 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 5: big General grievous fans he is. 543 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: I will watch jennything with him amazing, like he's the best. 544 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: What is the most memorable moment in these films, y'all? 545 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 6: Joelle For Empire, it's a tie from the first time 546 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 6: we see Lando in a swishy cape to Mac macanon 547 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 6: leya in front of how You're people exist in space. 548 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 6: There's a lot of really crazy things happening in that 549 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 6: moment that are magnificent. Since I already mentioned my favorite 550 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 6: part of uh you know Anakin on the side of 551 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 6: the mountain, I think another great moment for me it's 552 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 6: gotta be the opening sequence where we get to see 553 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 6: R two D two just absolutely go and ham on 554 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 6: some droids. Wow, Anakin' try try to keep these elevators 555 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 6: up and moving around where everybody needs them to, but 556 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 6: also like being a proto chopper, like absolutely just murking 557 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 6: people and keeping the mission on track. I think Uh 558 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 6: I'd Love was a really difficult thing to get a 559 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 6: good amount of early and a lot of times what 560 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 6: happened is like, oh R two is the cool one, 561 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 6: and see three po is annoying, but here like R 562 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 6: two is effective and you see, like in addition, does 563 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 6: what we get to see him do in a cockpit, 564 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 6: it's cool to see him in action here. And then 565 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 6: it's coupled with us seeing Anakin and Obi Wan and 566 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 6: their partnership, and it's so funny and warm and it 567 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 6: makes pretty much everything you've been through up to this point, 568 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 6: You're like, Wow, worth it to get to these guys 569 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 6: running around trying to take out Dooku. 570 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: It's great. What about you, Rizzie. 571 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: I think for me. 572 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: I was an Empire. 573 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: I think. 574 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 5: I still just so remember as much as I am 575 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 5: a Yoda hater, like I so deeply remember the moment 576 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 5: where he like uses the force to levitate that x 577 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 5: wing oh yeah, from the swamp, and I think like 578 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 5: that gave me that movie magic feeling, that kind of 579 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 5: like oh imagine, like what could what could I do? 580 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: Like what could you do? 581 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 5: In this also as well, like I loved the womper 582 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 5: attack and then Luke hiding in the Taunton. 583 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: I think about that a lot in Empire. 584 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 5: I just I know that the Taunton and the one 585 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 5: for are not like always beloved, but like I think 586 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 5: like the creature worked there again that I felt like 587 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 5: hath was so different like shooting in Norway, this whole 588 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 5: different feeling, and those are still like those kind of 589 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 5: magical moments and the scary moments and those feelings that 590 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 5: those inspired in me as a kid. Those are still 591 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 5: the moments I think are most memorable from Empire Revenge 592 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 5: of the Sith. 593 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: I do. 594 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 5: I think for me the most memorable moment is like 595 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 5: Yoda doing like a flip with his lightsaber for bears, honestly, 596 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 5: but whenever I think of Revenge of the Sith, I 597 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 5: always see little c GI Yoda flipping out there like 598 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 5: and I'm also like, George, please, I know that Frank 599 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 5: Oz would have found a way to do that practically. 600 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 5: That man made comment like fucking ride a bike, like 601 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 5: he could have done that, that you didn't need to 602 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 5: use CG. But yeah, I mean, who doesn't want to 603 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 5: see like fucking Christopher Lee fight Yoda in a light 604 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 5: save the Bow. That's like insane and I'm so glad 605 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 5: it happened, Jason, how about you? 606 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: For me, it's all the Force ghost stuff. I've talked 607 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: about this, but like I saw this movie, my dad 608 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: had passed away pretty recently in terms of how I 609 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: think it. First saw this movie maybe six months to 610 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: a year after that, so like all the being able 611 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: to speak to Ben who was gone was super super 612 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: emotional and. 613 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 4: Impactful for me. I was like, Wow, that really hit. 614 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: I mean they're having full conversations on Degaba about like 615 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: stuff that Luke should do. It's not even just like 616 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: he's popping in for the very heightened like emotional moments. 617 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: It's like there having a full on debate on whether 618 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: Luke should leave his training or not. All that stuff 619 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: really hit. And then for you know, honestly, for Revenge 620 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: of the Cith, it was Yoda, it was Yoda ficking. 621 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: Look at how mobile this little guy is. 622 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: For nine hundred, that was That was a jaw drop 623 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: moment for me. And I think just how we talked 624 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: about these movies being on the technological cutting edge, and 625 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: I think the by the time you got to Revenge 626 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: of the Sith, the effects had gotten so good in 627 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: a way that Force awakens, you know, Force awakens. It's 628 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: like battle in Naboo. It looks okay, but it's it 629 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: also looks like a Microsoft screensaver, like it doesn't not like, 630 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, too shiny, too good. And 631 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: the opening of Revenge of the Sith, the battle above 632 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: Coroissant looks so dense and good that I was just 633 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: kind of floored by how good it looked. So those 634 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: are my two Yoda and Uh and Force ghosts. Let's 635 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 2: go to a quick break and we're back Okay, let's 636 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: talk about I think rewatching Revenge of the Sith, and 637 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 2: you know, there are certain things that. 638 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 4: At the time I was didn't hit and now I'm. 639 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 2: Like, wowge George Lucas was cooking, And I think the 640 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: big ones for me are that the final showdown with 641 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 2: Obi Wan and Darth Vader, and then also the moment 642 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: when she fully takes power and Padme says, so this 643 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: is how democracy dies to I'm like, god, damn, yeah, 644 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: George Lucas was was in the kitchen cooking it. 645 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 4: Please, Like, if you went in the time machine, you 646 00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 4: should have worn us in. 647 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: A non f fictional fashion in a world in which 648 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: and Or is you know, not based on real world 649 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: events and the outside world is completely not troubling at all. 650 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: How do you respond to that last forty five minutes 651 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: of Revenge of the Sith now watching it with modernize 652 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: Joela Rosie. 653 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 3: I mean horrifying. 654 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 5: I think is like, it is horrifying, and if that 655 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,959 Speaker 5: were to happen in real life, it would feel even 656 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 5: more horrifying, you know, I think so, I do think 657 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 5: I feel that this is the ultimate Testament and this 658 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 5: Star Wars have long been at the forefront of this 659 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 5: in Western entertainment, but just a distinct reminder of the 660 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 5: power of allegorical storytelling and the way that George Lucas 661 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 5: at this time, after you know, this massive successive Star Wars, 662 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 5: like he probably could have made whatever movie he wanted, 663 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 5: but no one was going to be like, can't wait 664 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 5: for you to make your political thriller set in real 665 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 5: world America in nineteen seventy nine about the danger of 666 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 5: international tariffs and like the rise of fascism. 667 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 2: No. 668 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 5: I mean, George Lucas has talked pretty extensively about how 669 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 5: in the original Star Wars movie, you know, the empire 670 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 5: is America and the rebels are the Vietcong. Like, this 671 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 5: is a man who was making movies that were subversive 672 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 5: and that were saying something about American culture. And I 673 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 5: think that that did continue with Revenge, even in a 674 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 5: way that at the time we maybe didn't see but 675 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 5: when you rewatch it right now, I mean, I was 676 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 5: going to ask you guys, like, what's something you would 677 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 5: say to someone who doesn't want to watch the prequels 678 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 5: and you will be like, well, Revenge is worth watching 679 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 5: because and actually, Jason, I think this is it. Like 680 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 5: I've told so many people like, hey, go back, and 681 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 5: obviously I'm actually very proud of the Internet for just 682 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 5: understanding inherently as soon as the tariffs started kind of 683 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 5: impacting us in real but being like, hey, guys, these 684 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 5: are really easy to watch fictional kids trilogy that will 685 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 5: maybe kind of lay out why this isn't going to 686 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 5: end well, and as we see in those last forty 687 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 5: five minutes, it does not end well. So, Joelle, how 688 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 5: does it feel for you watching Revenge in twenty twenty five? 689 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: Yeah? 690 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 6: I think the line that Padme has where she's talking 691 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 6: to Anakin and she's like, what if the Senate we 692 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 6: think we serve no longer exists? And I think that 693 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 6: is maybe one of the most chilling moments and Revenge 694 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 6: of the Sith. 695 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: It's also. 696 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,959 Speaker 6: So infui, Like the last forty five minutes, I'm gonna 697 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 6: be honest, as a padmey Stan are just infuriating, like 698 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 6: it is almost impossible. 699 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: You really want to like shake Lucas and be like, sir, 700 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: what were you doing? 701 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 6: She was a senator, she was running countries since she 702 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 6: was sixteen. For her, Anakin is like, hey, for the 703 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 6: second time since you've known me, I just slaughtered children 704 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 6: and she's. 705 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: Like I don't care, Like, I'm like, what are you 706 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: talking about? Where will you go that you can outrun 707 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: child murder? 708 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 2: Like what? 709 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 5: This is a very silly fan question, but this was 710 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 5: always my theory as someone else who is a stan 711 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 5: of padme. 712 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 3: Do you think that Anakin's inherent force powers made her dumb? 713 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: Yes? 714 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 4: Like do you think yes? 715 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 5: Because she was in love with a force us of 716 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 5: the dark side was like seeping out of him and 717 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 5: she was like, yeah, child murder, who cares, like, it's 718 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 5: really great when we when we kiss in these beautiful 719 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 5: places like Corusson, Like is that because I was always 720 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 5: like otherwise? 721 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 4: This makes no fucking sense now. 722 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 6: Even the seduction back on Naboo in the second episode, 723 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 6: it's just so awkward and he's so snappy and angry 724 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 6: and childlike compared to her very mature essence that you're like, well, 725 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 6: this must be the empire. 726 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 3: Not to support a man, right, not to support a man. 727 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 5: But I will say, like, yeah, he's childlike because he 728 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 5: was literally a fucking child when they met. 729 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 4: He was like a little baby. Oh no, he was 730 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 4: like a little baby child. 731 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 6: Like Angel, you should not marry this woman. It's you 732 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 6: thought she was an actual angelic being. This is not 733 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 6: a healthy relationship. Uh yeah, so the last choices and 734 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 6: then the fact that she died of a broken heart. Again, 735 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 6: she has been dealing with war and conflict. 736 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: Since she was sixteen. It doesn't make sense, Like. 737 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 4: Why would she care? Yeah, it doesn't make sense, Jason. 738 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 5: How about for you, how's it feeling watching Revenge of 739 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 5: the Sip in twenty twenty five. 740 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 2: I just have a lot more respect for what George 741 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 2: Lucas was planning up and a disappointment also that kind 742 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,479 Speaker 2: of stems from just wishing that he had been able 743 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 2: to connect that to emotional character driven sea. Yes, you know, 744 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 2: it's so plot driven. That's the thing about the prequels. 745 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 2: It's like it really is about these macro forces, about 746 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 2: taxes and tariffs and yeah, and you know, emergency powers 747 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 2: and how the Senate works within the framework of a 748 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 2: galactic republic and all these things, And it has much 749 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 2: less to do with characters moving throughout it. Since the 750 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: main characters who we are following all throughout this are 751 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: completely in the dark the entire time. They have agency, 752 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: but only within this deluded version of what's actually going on. 753 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 2: And it's only the emperor, the future emperor soon to 754 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 2: be emperor, who has any kind of real agency in 755 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 2: the storytelling. So I both feel a heightened and a 756 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 2: newfound respect for the things that George was concerned about 757 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 2: twenty plus years ago. And I think it's incredible that 758 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 2: he was like, I must tell this story about democracy dying. 759 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 2: I must tell it now. That's incredible to incredible to me. 760 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 2: He's like, you know, in a in a real sense, 761 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 2: in a storytelling sense, in the sense of pop culture, 762 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 2: kind of like a prophet about these things. 763 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, and. 764 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 2: Just feeling like, ah, it could have been It could 765 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 2: have been a lot better. It just could have been 766 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 2: a lot better, because you know, I wish that he 767 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 2: had outsourced some of the storytelling work, as he did 768 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 2: with the original trilogy, to either a different director or 769 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 2: the actors more. 770 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: I had heard that he tried, and that everyone was like, 771 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm too afraid. 772 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 5: I gotta bring I also have to bring in Like 773 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 5: you know why this, at least all Wars movies were 774 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 5: amazing is because George Lucas was married to Marsha Lucas, 775 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 5: and she was his story at it. And we've this 776 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 5: has been kind of talked about extensively how much she 777 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 5: helped with those. 778 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 3: He definitely needed that kind of mindset on these movies. 779 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 3: He needed an overseer. 780 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 5: But I think when you've made some of the most 781 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 5: successful movies of all time and you come back, you 782 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 5: often don't have somebody who helps you out and says, hey, 783 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 5: maybe a little bit more character work would be great here, 784 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 5: or maybe we need to understand why they're falling in love, 785 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 5: you know. But yeah, I think that's a really fair read, Jason, 786 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 5: and probably kind of the most objective way of looking 787 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 5: at them, which is like, Wow, they did some stuff 788 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 5: really incredibly, But those gaping' holes you do feel them 789 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 5: when you. 790 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 3: Start to do the rewatch. 791 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 2: Well, Happy anniversary to Empolaws. It's wonderful to have Star 792 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 2: Wars with us. Coming up on X ray Vision Tomorrow, 793 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 2: Rosie and I will be accepting the Impossible Mission to 794 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 2: recap the entire Mission Impossible franchise In fifteen minutes, I 795 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 2: will be timing you. 796 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 4: I will do it. 797 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 2: Friday, we're diving deep into Tom Cruise's career the action 798 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,439 Speaker 2: stunt pieces featured throughout the Mission Impossible series. Saturday News 799 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 2: and Tuesday, we're visiting Jackson Hole one last time for 800 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 2: the Last of US finale, That's it for this episode, 801 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 2: That's really x ray Vision is hosted by Jason kenspcion 802 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 2: and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 803 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our 804 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 2: supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen 805 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 2: Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez. 806 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 5: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman 807 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 5: and Heidi A discoll Moderata