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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast, a room full of top

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Speaker 1: ten football insiders. I mean, if the voice of God

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Speaker 1: Westling podcast studio, It's Around the NFL. I'm Dan hands this.

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Speaker 1: I got heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. But that's not all.

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Speaker 1: Let's take down this music and let's bring up this

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Speaker 1: man's theme. Whoa, it's got its own theme about that?

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Speaker 1: Who made this is my name? He is a former

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Speaker 1: NFL player. He is the co founder and president of

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Speaker 1: Status Pro. He has a Columbia alum. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: He is Andrew Hawkins. Welcome back to Around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here. What do you think of

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Speaker 1: your theme? I don't like it. I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Out the gate, why not? It's dry? It gave me

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Speaker 1: like Phil Collins vibes. There you go. That's that's the

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Speaker 1: song is called Sausage Fingers, and I like to use

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Speaker 1: it as a test. Every guest that gets it has

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Speaker 1: a different, usually visceral reaction to it. So like it,

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Speaker 1: some hate it, You dislike it. I didn't dislike it.

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Speaker 1: Listen that whaling though they're going, that's emotion. I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't argue that that's a They're going to town.

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Speaker 1: It's just not what I would have chosen to be

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Speaker 1: my theme. But um well, something to work on for

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Speaker 1: the next show. Constructive criticism, good man? What is going on?

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Speaker 1: You know? Life football? Um, my company Status Pro that

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Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, you're doing like a virtual

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks. I like, yeah, that's my company,

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Speaker 1: that's my produ Like deal with how I'm nippotent? I am?

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Speaker 1: But the NFL Pro Era product? What is what's the

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Speaker 1: background on that? Yeah? So it's it's the first ever

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Speaker 1: NFL virtual reality football game. Um, and you get to

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Speaker 1: play as the quarterback of an NFL team, right like

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Speaker 1: you get to play games play a full season favorite team.

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Speaker 1: You're the quarterback, you have to make the throws, make

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Speaker 1: the decisions, and it feels like you're on the field

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Speaker 1: as an NFL player, right that Wilson Zach Wilson could play.

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Speaker 1: He could he I don't know how good he would be,

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Speaker 1: Zach Willson Zach Wilson mode, or you're saying like, is

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Speaker 1: therea where everybody blooes Youland doesn't like you? No, anybody

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Speaker 1: could play, Uh, that is the point. But also, so

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Speaker 1: you could be the quarterback of the Jets, You're You're

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Speaker 1: more accuracy and yeah, the fans, well that would like

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Speaker 1: Game Debut. Was really fun doing that show for years.

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Speaker 1: But all along, like three or four years ago, he

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Speaker 1: would remind me like, well, I have this like my

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Speaker 1: that's cool. He's like, I'm doing all this other stuff. Cute,

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Speaker 1: but just I didn't understand that I'm building this other

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Speaker 1: like you've been doing that for how long? You started

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Speaker 1: all this time. He wasn't being asking you the whole time,

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Speaker 1: but not full of it. No, it was it's been

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Speaker 1: a long time coming. Me and my co founder Troy

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Speaker 1: the NFL Pro arrow Hawks, UM product. I assume we're

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427
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Speaker 1: have a quarterback that maybe not everyone fully believes in. Yeah,

428
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Speaker 1: And it's it's it's how the decisions are made, right,

429
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Speaker 1: Like I remember the year I got a call from

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Speaker 1: the head coach, Hey, we're thinking about bench and Hoyer

431
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Speaker 1: starting Johnny. We were like seven and four or seven

432
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 1: and five or something, heading the division. I started laughing.

433
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a joke. I thought he was

434
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Speaker 1: calling to be funny. This is a report builder with

435
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Speaker 1: my receiver. Let's have a good laugh and go into

436
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: the week's draw. Weird bit coach, But okay, Yeah, it

437
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 1: was like, okay, not diego I would have taken. Uh.

438
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Speaker 1: So I laughed and it wasn't a joke. And I'm like,

439
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Speaker 1: I think that would be a bad idea. Not because

440
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Speaker 1: I don't like Johnny. I dont think Johnny was talented.

441
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 1: He wasn't there yet as a player. I'm with him

442
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Speaker 1: in the meetings. He understood what was going on in

443
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Speaker 1: his life, and for a whole locker room, that is

444
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: pushing towards the goal where we are, uh overachieving for

445
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Speaker 1: what anybody believed. These kind of decisions will take it all.

446
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: And that's essentially what happened, right. They moved on with

447
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: Johnny and we didn't win a single game. And I

448
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: think that might have been even Rember Brown's painful fade. Um,

449
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's move out of talk and other

450
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Speaker 1: QB news. Unfortunate QB news. The Dolphins head coach Mike

451
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: McDaniel announced that to a tongue of Baloa is in

452
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Speaker 1: concussion protocol connected to Saturday's loss to the Packers to

453
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Speaker 1: of course, through three interceptions in the last three possessions

454
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Speaker 1: from Miami, and now he's back concussion protocol. We understood

455
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Speaker 1: what happened earlier in this season, uh with the Cincinnati game,

456
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Speaker 1: and he missed several weeks after that and the game

457
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Speaker 1: before that when it appeared that he had suffered a

458
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Speaker 1: head injury, but he played on anyway. So obviously this

459
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: is an ongoing situation for to uh here Mark, and

460
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Speaker 1: now with the Patriots up next and the Jets after

461
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Speaker 1: that in Miami in a four game losing streak, it's

462
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: all kind of oh, it's a nasty stew for Miami.

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Speaker 1: We'll see where this situation goes. I mean we found

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Speaker 1: this out after we reviewed the Dolphins game on our

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Speaker 1: show yesterday, and I mean, for me a little bit, um.

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Speaker 1: You know, there were the video evidence out there looks

467
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Speaker 1: like it possibly or probably came on that for late

468
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: first half hit that he took where his head bounced

469
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Speaker 1: off the ground, and then he's in the second half

470
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Speaker 1: after you know, I think what his first five passes

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Speaker 1: account for like a hundred and ninety yards, and they

472
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Speaker 1: looked like the Dolphins were used to. He was like

473
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Speaker 1: seven for thirteen for eighty one yards with three rather

474
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Speaker 1: miss defying interceptions. And he went through verbally case by

475
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Speaker 1: case and explained while they happened. One thing that stuck

476
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: outuously said that he thought that he maybe even just

477
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Speaker 1: got the play wrong on the second interception, but in regardless,

478
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Speaker 1: it's just like maybe that, certainly to me could explain

479
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: while while his performance fell off a cliff, But I

480
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess, like you know, people can't. So

481
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: there's no reason he should play again all year. I

482
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: mean each individual cases. I could see that as being

483
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: a strong argument that we're not going to see two

484
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Speaker 1: again this year. And you've got Teddy Bridgewater and the

485
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: Dolphins season in the course of a Fortnite went from

486
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: um problematic too highly problematic. Yeah, it's sad they haven't

487
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Speaker 1: confirmed that he had a concussion, so we'll find out

488
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: that Simpton put him in he had symptoms and news

489
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Speaker 1: in the protocol. I think it was underplayed back when

490
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Speaker 1: he had that injury. When he had the concussion earlier

491
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Speaker 1: in the season, that got so much attention that he

492
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Speaker 1: he spoke publicly that like people and his family were

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Speaker 1: talking about, like should you continue playing football? That's sort

494
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Speaker 1: of like just went through and he was back on

495
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: the field and playing great again, and that wasn't like

496
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Speaker 1: a big story. But at the time I was thinking like,

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Speaker 1: oh wow, that's that's interesting that he was open about

498
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Speaker 1: that publicly, that he was already thinking about should you

499
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Speaker 1: continue playing football? And then now this comes it's worrisome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean anytime obviously I've gone through concussions. And the

501
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: thing about football players that you know, to in the

502
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: context of the story you just told, the family watches

503
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: and they're they're more like worried than the actual player, right,

504
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: because you are taught to be a warrior. That is

505
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Speaker 1: what football is. It's it's it's a you know, hard

506
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Speaker 1: hitting game. And we all understand how this works. And

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Speaker 1: to your point about multiple concussions in a season, I

508
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: had a season where I had multiple concussions and I

509
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Speaker 1: would end up going on the I r UM and

510
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: that time allowed me to to to really heal. But

511
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Speaker 1: as a player with like for two of his mindset

512
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Speaker 1: of how he's looking at this, this is probably two

513
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: was best year, right, Like overall from a lot of

514
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: everyone talks about him differently, even in the context of

515
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Speaker 1: who would want to come in the Broncos and coach

516
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. That was the same conversation we were having

517
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Speaker 1: last year about the Dolphins and so wanting to come back,

518
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: wanting to play, wanting to compete, wanting to continue to

519
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: show people that I am the quarterback that I thought

520
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: early on um and not wanting to lose that momentum.

521
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Speaker 1: I understand because players you know their warriors in that way,

522
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: and they do want to come back and they do

523
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: want to achieve. So it's crazy this team like they

524
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: could I feel like anything is possible with this team now.

525
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: I could see Teddy Bridge Rider playing great and then

526
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: cooking the Patriots and then making the playoffs. Anyways, he

527
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: had some moments when they played the Vikings earlier this season,

528
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: but then but you could also see like a worst

529
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Speaker 1: case scenario where they lose. Here. This is the same

530
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Speaker 1: owner that tried to get Sean Payton and Tom Brady

531
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Speaker 1: on a boat like a year ago. We sure nothing

532
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: crazy is gonna happen. I could say your boys coaching

533
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Speaker 1: and Mike McDaniel, who you always you always talked him

534
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Speaker 1: up um when he was kind of an unknown NFL

535
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: figure as the smartest coach you've ever known, and now

536
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Speaker 1: he's in the spotlight. I can't imagine they would ever

537
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Speaker 1: do anything there. But I'm talking about sort of to

538
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: us future, in this team's future, I don't know. If

539
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Speaker 1: you lose six straight at the end of the season,

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00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: I'd include the Jets in this too. I'd include the Patriots.

541
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: Anything's on the table, things, things tend to blow up

542
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: that you didn't see coming five or so. I don't

543
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Speaker 1: this as I get to get the Sean Payton thing,

544
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: just like Wandering nine and go get Sean Payton no

545
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: matter what happens here. But Mike McDaniel would get a

546
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: head coaching job in four seconds if he if he

547
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: ever left Miami was absolutely I think Mike came in

548
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: with such a you know, unassuming expectations, like I don't

549
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: think people expected much out of him. He went into

550
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Speaker 1: a very tough situation right like of what the offseason

551
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: UH conversation wasn't around the Dolphins, and he's able to

552
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: turn it around. He doesn't look like your prototypical head coach.

553
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't talk like he doesn't act like it but

554
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: players respond, and I think they played above what people

555
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: expected them to. Now, quarterback being hurt, quarterback having those issues,

556
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: that's that's tough for any coach who was going through that.

557
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Speaker 1: So I can't imagine, like, I don't think it would

558
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Speaker 1: make sense for the Dolphins to say, okay, well let

559
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Speaker 1: me let me go try to go get this shiny object.

560
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: And to your point, Mark, if so, I think Mike

561
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: McDaniel will walk right into He's know it would work

562
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: so well with him, because you have to be good

563
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: at something right, Like we talked about Parcels, Belichick, all

564
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: these people like it all looks different than what Mike

565
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: McDaniel looks like. But being around him, I'm not kidding.

566
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: He is an X and O savant and I've been

567
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: around I think I did the math. Maybe ten or

568
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: eleven head coaches like that in my career that ended

569
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Speaker 1: up being head coaches or word head coaches at one

570
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: point and by far coordinators between Shanahan and McDaniel. McDaniel

571
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: was one of those guys. Again, it was quirky. The

572
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: way he thought about it was completely different than anything

573
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Speaker 1: I'd heard, but it all made sense and it always worked,

574
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, yeah, maybe he's not the raw

575
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: right guy, maybe he doesn't speak a certain way, maybe

576
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: it's not what we're used to seeing. But ultimately, players

577
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: want to win, and players want to do well and

578
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: maximize their opportunity and make the most money they can.

579
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Speaker 1: And he was always great at putting them in that position.

580
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: So guys will respond if I know, no matter what,

581
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: you have the answer to the test. And he he

582
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 1: does that in a really big way. Big test now

583
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: in the next two weeks or the offense four straight losses.

584
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Speaker 1: Let's take a break and then we'll finish the rest

585
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: of the news. All Right, we're back J J. Watt.

586
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: It's over. Pull up the pull it up, pull the

587
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: tweet up. There Drew behind the glass, eight ft seven,

588
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: doesn't say a word. No, he carries a big stick.

589
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: Co is first ever NFL game. It's a photo of J. J.

590
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: Watt with his wife and his beautiful child, my last

591
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: ever NFL home game. My heart is filled with nothing

592
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: but loving gratitude. It's been an absolute honor and a pleasure.

593
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: Sounds like looks like a retirement tweet. And then the

594
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: people followed up and yes, indeed, J. J. Watt will

595
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: walk away from the game after this season. He is

596
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: obviously a Hall of Fame player, three time Defensive Player

597
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: of the Year, Um, one of the great players in

598
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Speaker 1: the A T N Era. I'm gonna say one of

599
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: the best, uh most dominant players. He's going with Canton

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Speaker 1: Greg g Um. People won't really remember the end of

601
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: the run in Arizona, but those Houston years were some

602
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: of the most dominating years you've ever seen from any

603
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: defensive player or what was the big big through En

604
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: was the year he got m VP votes even though

605
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: he was on like a mediocre Texans team and he

606
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: was a defensive player. Was maybe the greatest season I've

607
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: ever seen out of a defensive player. He had more

608
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: pressures in that season than any players ever had pressures.

609
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: And I do think about our podcast because that is

610
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: when we started, and I think he's he was at

611
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: that peak, the best defensive player I've ever seen, like

612
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: we've like we've only I've only covered it game like

613
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: this is twenty years. But in that twenty years, to me,

614
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: for those three years, he was better than anyone else

615
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: because he was two pounds in six six, but he

616
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: won with speed like in moves. It really wasn't just like, oh,

617
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play inside in power like he was beating

618
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: tackles on the edges in those years and it just

619
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense of the three hundred pound guy

620
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: there's he was kind of one of one that way.

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Speaker 1: One of the earliest j J. Watt moments where I

622
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: think he became a household name obviously, was against the

623
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Speaker 1: Bengals in that wild card game that they put it

624
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: like six in the mornings. It was like low ratings,

625
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: just get this thing over with on a Saturday. But

626
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: he picks six Andy Dalton, and I'll never forget because

627
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: we had Chris Wesley, the Bengals fan who, like you know,

628
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: was zoned in on the Bengals. Not a Bengals fan,

629
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: he was he had reasons to dislike them, And that

630
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: really was the opening moment that I think made Andy

631
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Dalton the Dalton scale obvious like character because it was

632
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: like get to the playoffs, do it just enough, and

633
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: then have a moment where someone else becomes a star

634
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: because of one of your errors. And you were in

635
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: that game that I've seen a lot of Big J.

636
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: You can like feed away from him and he's pellings.

637
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: He was good. He was huge too. That was always

638
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway, slamming you when you're just like, yeah, absolutely,

639
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: He's like one of those dudes you bump into, he

640
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: doesn't notice, and you're like god, and he just keeps

641
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: doing what he does. I remember that pick six that

642
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: sucked um and then also Tea we played him at

643
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: the Browns. It was just crazy to watch him. You know, again,

644
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: nobody could block the dude. He was too fast, he

645
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: was too big, he was too quick, he was too

646
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: everything adown and he goes to play offense and had

647
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: to touchdown catch and it's like, okay, what are we

648
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: doing here? And he was very amped up against the

649
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: Cleveland crowd that day. I thought he just was sort

650
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: of shoving it in people's face like that. We're just

651
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: traveling down and it's great. I mean, he's an interesting figure.

652
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's God. We had some fun with him

653
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: on the show, just because sometimes he felt a little

654
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: disingenuous about the way he went about things. I always

655
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: remember covering the Hard Knocks season where he you know,

656
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: there was a whole montage of him after practice sun

657
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: went down and all of a sudden, the lights were

658
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: up and he was practicing alone on the field, like

659
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: throwing a tire um, you know, a hundred yards. It

660
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: was just like is this real or is this like

661
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: J J. Watt image paper? Uh? To his credit sometimes yeah,

662
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: you you didn't know what to make of him from

663
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: a personality standpoint, But like the Hurricane Harvey stuff where

664
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: he was one of the largest UM crowdsource fundraisers ever

665
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: that he spearheaded personally was like a big you know,

666
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: showing of like what he's really about. And he's always

667
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: been very good with the fans. So sometimes he felt

668
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: a little corny, but you can't deny how great he was,

669
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: and he's one of the more memorable guys, certainly of

670
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: his generation. Well, we also got a wrist slap once

671
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: for talking about his UH clothing line he had years ago. Really,

672
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: what is that about? We got in trouble with some

673
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: people that are no longer at the company UM, but

674
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: it will always be part of our lower anything to

675
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: do a little slap, And there was maybe it might

676
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: have been a meeting where the transcriptions of a certain

677
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: podcast segment were printed out and read aloud to us

678
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: UH and then like like waved in our face like

679
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: a puppy that had just h I have a note

680
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: in my personnel file based on that incident. In the

681
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: transcription has me basically quiet for most of it. Other

682
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: than basically saying that men's fashion is needs rescuing, I

683
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: didn't say a single thing about I just figured the

684
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: statute of limitations are up. Now we can we can

685
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: discuss this publicly. Had nothing to do. Why nothing to

686
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: do a day day personally? Um. He Also, by the

687
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: way it was played, well, I did the top free

688
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: agents lists coming out next. He was gonna be in

689
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: the top twenty five. He was balling out right. Now

690
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: He's got nine and a half sacks here. He's still

691
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: disrupt or not at that same level. Injuries took antroll,

692
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: but he will be going to the Hall of Fame

693
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: in five years, no doubt. Uh. And other news, Mike

694
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: White is back in for the Jets. He was cleared

695
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: by doctors. He has those multiple broken ribs that is believed, um.

696
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: But after missing two weeks he'll return. And just to

697
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: give you an idea of how um far Zack Wilson

698
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: has fallen out of favor, um, not just with the

699
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: fans but also the organization. He'll be once again made inactive,

700
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: so he's completely out of the mix. I talked about

701
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: it with my dad Keith on the podcast on Thursday

702
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: that I think that was the end of the Zach

703
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Wilson era in New York. I think they will um

704
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: probably aggressively attempt to move him in the off season

705
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: and just start over at the position. But you also

706
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: have to keep in the mind the possibility that Mike

707
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: White has an opportunity here. Uh, the way things broke

708
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: for the Jets after Thursday, now they just gotta win

709
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: to one Patriots loss and they're in the playoffs. That's

710
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: all feasible starting with game against Seattle and White makes

711
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: I think the thing mark about White and Zack Wilson,

712
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: especially his Wilson's struggles were so vast that I really

713
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: did think it was affecting both sides of the ball

714
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: and pulling down the team's confidence and taking him out

715
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: of the mix really fills me with some confidence ahead

716
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: of this year, we talked about these teams were like,

717
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: the defensive side is like, can you just do like

718
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: the base the bare minimum and we'll handle the rest.

719
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: That's been the Jets and like, you know, the Zach

720
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: Wilson experience, and you've been around a lot of you know,

721
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: up and down quarterbacks, but like you've got to be

722
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: that guy behind the scenes, and we don't have that

723
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: experience with Zach Wilson. Accept it led through to us.

724
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: You could see that he wasn't and I think the

725
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: Mike White playing through getting brutalized a couple of weeks ago,

726
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: um he wanted to get back into no matter what,

727
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: he's playing through obvious pain, Like that's how you win

728
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: everyone over. I mean t is sort of a old

729
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: school quarterback to me, and I think he's on a

730
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: true audition for a legit shot to be the starter

731
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: next year, depending on what else they go do. You

732
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: gotta get paid too, He's a free agent. If he

733
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: plays well, I'm just happy he's back because to me,

734
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: them ending the season out with Flacco or Wilson, you've

735
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: been one of that stories of the season, and now

736
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: they get a proper ending. I don't know if they'll

737
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: make the playoffs or not. I kind of have a

738
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: sneaky feeling they are going to be the team that

739
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: gets in I hope. So I feel good. I feel

740
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: like it's a really good matchup for him against Seattle.

741
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: I think Seattle right now is like a bottom five

742
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: team unfortunately, or bottom eight teams in a month. I'm

743
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm not totally out of that. That I would love

744
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: if Tyler Lockett comes back, knows still the best part

745
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: of their team that is the passing game, but even

746
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of come underwater, stick a pin and that.

747
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: We'll get to that on the Thursday preview. Uh, real quick.

748
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: Josh Norman joins the Panthers. J C. Horne. What is

749
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: going on with Horn right now? Risk surgery today? Maybe

750
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: maybe as we do this show right now, the incision

751
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: can be being made. Three. It's a little late, almost

752
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: four reminds me of when the Seahawks signed Marshawn Lynch

753
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: late in the season, Like I think sixt like the

754
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: last time that Marshawn Lynch. Everybody, this is what it's like.

755
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: But it's kind of cool. I like Josh Norman's back.

756
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: We were just doing a Super Bowl broadcast on Sky

757
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: Sports with Josh a couple of years. Yeah, he's a

758
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: little loof Ravens Bengals Flex the Sunday Night Football and uh,

759
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: finally the NFL may find Mac Jones for a block

760
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: a low hit on Eli Apple during a return by

761
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: Cincinnati defense that was turned out that it was not

762
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: a play because it was ruled. I believe in incomplete pass,

763
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: but do we have a you can take a look

764
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: at this like the uh the play by Mac where

765
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: he's running in the sprint, he just kind of cuts

766
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: out Apple from below. And it's not the first time

767
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: that Mac Jones has been accused of doing some things

768
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: that weren't um, you know, above board. Put it that way.

769
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: Jones answered to questions on w e I about his

770
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: quote unquote dirty play. Yeah, I think, Um, obviously, you know,

771
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: I went down in front of him to kind of

772
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: get in the way to stop him from slowing down

773
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: Tae Kwon, who obviously couldn't make the tackle there, so

774
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: just kind of went down in front of him, and UM,

775
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: trying to stop the fast guy from getting into another

776
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: fast guy. So just split second decision. And there's a

777
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: lot that goes into it. Um, you're out there trying

778
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: to compete in the physical games, so just trying to

779
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: help the team win. And UM, I have all the

780
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: respect for Eli and the Bengals. They played a great game,

781
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: So UM, there's no hard feelings and definitely no intention

782
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: to hurt anybody on that play. Um, nor do I

783
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: believe that. When I'm playing quarterback, that's what I get

784
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: hit a lot too. So we're all out there playing

785
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: playing hard and it's just part of the game. Hawk

786
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: you buy is a man who played the game? Is

787
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: that was? That? Was that dirty? Is Mac Jones dirty? Well?

788
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: What's your take on that? That was absolutely a dirty play?

789
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: Which you know, maybe I'm about the guy to ask

790
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: because I don't want to hate it. It was dirty.

791
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: He's gotta and maybe in his mind he really does

792
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: think he's doing the right thing, like, Oh, this is

793
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: me being a competitor, this is me showing that I'll

794
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: do anything to win, and some people think that that's

795
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: a good thing. I've played with players like that. We'll

796
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: try hard guy. Yeah, but it's absolutely dirty. He couldn't

797
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: have been more polite to Chandler Jones and people weren't

798
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: thrilled with that either. So here's the thing, He's had

799
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these types of moments. To me, it's

800
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: all of a piece. It's not all just like diving

801
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: that guy's knees, although there's been a few of those.

802
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: Two it's just like you can almost tell he's that

803
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: guy that like, I think it's so in a froth.

804
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: And I know, look, that's a lot of NFL players

805
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: in different ways, but I think he just sort of

806
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: loses himself elf when he's on the field, and he's

807
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: very competitive and that's probably helped him get to where

808
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: he is on some level. But he makes it hard

809
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: to root for him sometimes because this is not watching

810
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: every one of his games. It's not the first time

811
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: something like this, like this idea of Mac Jones being

812
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: the Ty Cobb of his generation and the NFL just

813
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: like fleets up, like just like looking to hurt people

814
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: I did was exactly. It was a little bit of

815
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: telling on yourself. I thought at the end though, and

816
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: he's like, listen, people hurt me. That's my job, some

817
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: punishment whatever. I don't know. It's been a it's been

818
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: a tough year for that man. All right, let's uh,

819
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. All right, let's before

820
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: we get to the TNF preview. You gotta want to

821
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: figure out, like what's the best playoff bracket, Like what

822
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: what would be a perfect setup going into January. Mark,

823
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: I know you've been well, Greg, I know you your

824
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: your data, your algorithms. Um, I don't know if you

825
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: know this talking. You know worked with Greg previously, we

826
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: didn't get data analytic Greg. It's unbelievable his ability to

827
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: crunch numbers in real time and spit out uh data points. Um.

828
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: What is it Greg to you that when you when

829
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: the data is inserted into your hard drive, that you're

830
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: spinning out is the best possible playoffs? Yes, in terms

831
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: of my happiness, but we're not interested in that. What

832
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: you're are you talking? Most likely? Are you talking what

833
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: I want? What I want? I mean, I do want

834
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Gina Smith to make it happen, but I don't believe

835
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: it will happen. And so then you look at the

836
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: the NFC playoff picture, and I will start with the NFC. Okay,

837
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: I think getting those Eastern teams, the Giants in Washington

838
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: out would be beautiful. And then you get two of

839
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: the following three in Seattle, Detroit or Green Bay. Now,

840
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: I personally like Seattle in Detroit. The problem is the

841
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: Giants their magic numbers essentially one. At this point, they're

842
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: at a point because everyone lost last week, that they're

843
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: almost certainly gonna get in even if they don't win

844
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: a game and their favorite this week uh to win

845
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: they have they who do they play this week? The Giants? Uh,

846
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: they have a easy home game this week the Colts

847
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: where they're pretty big favorites. But I could see the

848
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: Giants blowing that. So they're probably in any of those

849
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: final three. But I want the Week eight team Detroit

850
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: Green baking Detroit Green Bay winning in scenario Week eighteen,

851
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: that being the Sunday night football game. All that needs

852
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: to happen is Detroit needs to win this week, Green

853
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: Bay needs to win, which is tough against Minnesota, and

854
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: then Seattle and Washington both lose this week. Then it's

855
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: essentially it's an early playoff game Detroit Green Bay Lambeau

856
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: as your season finale. That's a perfect Sunday night is

857
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: very nice. I like that matchup. Yeah, what about you

858
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: and Mark? Because I agree like I want the team

859
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: of a t N the Detroit Lions to make this.

860
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm a little I am shaken. I didn't get a

861
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: chance to watch the game till yesterday. My god, what

862
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: the hell happened to Aaron Glenn's defense in Charlotte? What

863
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: was that? It happens that actually pivots into what I want.

864
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: This is what I want. Um, I want the Carolina

865
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: Panthers to um usurp the hideously boring to watch bucks.

866
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't care about that situation. When you get the

867
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: Panthers have no showed in a couple of these games,

868
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: Like you go to that Bengals game and gets the

869
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: get it was the Bengals, but like they ran for

870
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: like thirty four yards. But then there's been these flip

871
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: flop weeks where they did they did last week where

872
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: they were on pace for even more than three yards

873
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: in that game. And when you get that version of Carolina,

874
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: I think you could cause absolute and total chaos early

875
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: on in the playoffs if you get a defense that

876
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: can handle the run. And I just want to see

877
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: it maybe happen. And then you like, you know, you

878
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: get Sam Donald winning up winning the playoff game where

879
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: he throws for sixty four yards, that would be chaotic

880
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: and Steve Wilkes would get a head coaching job out

881
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: of it. How much confidence Sam was playing with this

882
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: we well, it helps if you're gonna run for three

883
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: and he was, I mean he I mean, I'm feeling

884
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: Sam right now. Um, how about this hawk. Is there

885
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: a reality in the NFC And it seems like this

886
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: side of the table feels this way where the playoffs

887
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: would better without Tom Brady involved? Are we there yet?

888
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: Oh man? This year? Yeah? Probably? I felt that way

889
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: for a long time. I'm in a big Tom fan.

890
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: But you know, the season to get old, it's like

891
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: watching a TV show, like it's at some point we

892
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: gotta we need new villains, we need new heroes. So

893
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: I think it would make sense. I I dark horse

894
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: Saints and playoff in and him with the Saints his playoff.

895
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: He would like that for chaos, because Saints fans would it.

896
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: There's actually an article that just came out minutes ago

897
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: from Mike Florio speculating that Sean Payton and Tom Brady

898
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: could maybe get together in New Orleans. And I want

899
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: that to be as uncomfortable as possible. I want them

900
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: to to have to get rid of Dennis Allen, Sean

901
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: Payton's old assistant, even after he makes the playoffs. And

902
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: poor Andy Dalton, your guy who you always said was

903
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: beloved by his teammates, and you paid a lot of

904
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: people paid, and so you are a big Dalton. I

905
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: changed my name to Andy. My my original name was Marcus.

906
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: Because of him, I legally started going by Andrew. That

907
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: is a factoid. That's interesting. Uh yeah, I'm trying to

908
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: think what and if the Vikings because we know the

909
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: Vikings source by the way, it just just the fact that,

910
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: let's be real, these sources are close to Sean Payton.

911
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: They're they're putting out there strong that he might be

912
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: going back to New Orleans. Maybe he sees what's going

913
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: on in l A. He was trying to take Brandon

914
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: Staley's job. It's not gonna work. Now there's a mess.

915
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: Sean go back to New Orleans where they'll pay you

916
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of money and you know everyone it's not

917
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: a bad that has Jimmy Johnson Dan Marino vibes written

918
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: all over. To me, I don't like the idea of

919
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: watching onto Tom Brady, that's the Saints coach right now.

920
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: He also sees the Cowboys on pace or twelve or

921
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: thirteen wins and he's like, I don't know if I'm

922
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get that job. Uh, Vikings have

923
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: the two seed right now. Um, I'm trying to think

924
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: who the Vikings are gonna play A barn burn or

925
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: whoever they play against. So a Vikings Lions matchup would

926
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: be or Vikings where they suddenly plugged in Aaron Rodgers like,

927
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: I know I'm pretty anti Packers, but something about what's

928
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: going on with that team right now? If they snuck

929
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: into a seventh seed and they have to deal with

930
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: the Vikings who they know very well or or whoever like,

931
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: but they have to beat the Vikings probably to get there.

932
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: And now we'll have seen that matchup. So I like that.

933
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: I like where you're going. That would be Packers, maybe

934
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: forty Niners. Then you hit Minnesota down to the three.

935
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: The problem is whoever is playing the Giants. That's a

936
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: bad game. Minnesota Giants is a very underwhelming Well it

937
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: was a good game this past week and now, but

938
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: do we need that twice as like a playoff? I

939
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: want to talk Greg born and raised Patriot fan. He thinks,

940
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: at I just want to see the most entertaining teams

941
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: that are gonna be left Giants. Um, let's see on

942
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: the A f C side, it's pretty I mean, right

943
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: now we have uh Bill's Chiefs Bengals one to three.

944
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: It's very unclear who's gonna take that by but there's

945
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: a Bill's Bengals game coming up, which is spicy. Um.

946
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: What do you like for the What are the teams

947
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: that are kind of on the fringe here and hawk

948
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: that you like? Um, I will this is gonna sound

949
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: like sacrilegious. As a Bengals and Browns fan, I am

950
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: both one of the very few in the country. Um.

951
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: But I like the idea of Tomlin being able to

952
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: take this team and get him in because I just

953
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: think I think he's a very underrated coach and I

954
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: think I mean, he's never had a losing season and

955
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: this year was like, oh, it's this is There's no

956
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: way you'll get in the playoffs this year because your

957
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: team is not good, you don't have a quarterback, you

958
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: don't have this. So there's something from just a football

959
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: perspective that excites me about there. What's the path for

960
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: the Steelers to the postseason. It's very It's crazy because

961
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: you think of like the Jets and Steelers have had

962
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: such different seasons, but now they just have the same records.

963
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, there they are, they are equal, and yet

964
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: they're not equal because Steelers lose every time break possible.

965
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: They're eleventh, so they need the to finish basically with

966
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: a better record than everyone, So they need to win

967
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: their two games. They need the Patriots and the Jets

968
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: and possibly the Titans to the Titans actually could get

969
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: a wild card in a weird scenario, it's not gonna happen.

970
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: Really need them all to lose. How is that possible

971
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: because we figured out before the show that that wasn't

972
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: I thought the Tennessee can get a wild card. I

973
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: feel like it's really essentially win the division or check

974
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: you later. I think, Um, they they would basically need

975
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: everyone to lose and finish with an eight and nine record.

976
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: It depends who they would be tied with. Yes, but

977
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: that'll all be gone this weekend anyways. Uh. They also

978
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: need Miami to lose two straight. It's it's kind of simple.

979
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: They just need to have a better record than everyone,

980
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: which isn't that crazy. They're just one behind Miami and

981
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: tied with everyone else. But they need a lot of help.

982
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: They have a three percent chance according to five thirty

983
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: eight because of all the help that they need. Yeah,

984
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: they're they're basically done because they need all this stuff

985
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: to happen. Miami and New England are playing each other.

986
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: So one of those teams is gonna win this week,

987
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: then they need the Jets in Miami, like they need

988
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: the Jets to lose this week and then the Jets

989
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: to beat Miami next week. It's a lot. What about

990
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: you and Mark when you're looking up. So I went

991
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: through all this and like, here's here's what I like

992
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: to see the Jets sneak in. Is the seven all right,

993
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: and they probably wind up playing And in this world,

994
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: I have them playing like I have the Bills as

995
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: the second seed, so you get a Bills Jets. They

996
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: said it solid, said it's gonna happen, so just give

997
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: it to them and let's see what happens there with

998
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: Mike white Plane. But then I want this other matchup

999
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: to happen. I'm not into the Ravens right now, um,

1000
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna get in. But Jaguar's charted, well,

1001
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like that. Then, like I don't want

1002
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: them the playoffs, but I can't win that battle. So

1003
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: there I have them playing the Chiefs and go go

1004
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: do something if you want to my belief back. But

1005
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: then I have Jaguars Chargers. I like the idea of

1006
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: the verse Lawrence. That is a spicy matchup. That to

1007
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: me would be you want new faces, you want Brady

1008
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: out of here. That's new faces. I was. I said this,

1009
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: uh with Andrew Ciciliano in NFL. Now I think there's

1010
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: a a berserker here in the a f C playoff picture.

1011
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: This thing's not gonna go chalk. This year has been

1012
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: too weird. The Chargers or the jack Strike, either of

1013
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: those teams. I can see them getting hot and also

1014
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: be playing an AFC title game because Deserver can't be

1015
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: a team that we've seen like the Ravens in the playoffs,

1016
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, twenty seven years in a row. It's gotta

1017
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: be gotta fresh face, an element of surprise. Herbert being

1018
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: in the playoffs makes the playoffs much spicier. We need

1019
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: Jacksonville to beat Tennessee. I was wrong. I don't know

1020
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: if we got to take it out of the show.

1021
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: You're right, Tennessee cannot be the wild card. I was

1022
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: to keep that in the show, keeping it. I was

1023
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: thinking Jacksonville could be the wild card still Jack vil

1024
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: Ken if everyone else uh. And then they lost to

1025
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: the Titans, but they would need Miami to lose out.

1026
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Everyone needs Miami to lose that I kind of want

1027
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater if he's going to be playing. You're here's

1028
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: the thing, why is this back in our life that

1029
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: Patriots in the in the Bucks two teams in theory?

1030
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: I would like and I have like they need to

1031
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: be put out. Their teams that need to be put

1032
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: out of their misery. They're miserable, They're like begging to

1033
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: be put out of their misery, and and then it

1034
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: needs to happen. And so I think this Miami team

1035
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: has been a huge part of this season. I'd like

1036
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: to at least have it be Miami Jets decides that

1037
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: last spot and then I'm like, oh yeah, flex it

1038
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: into primetime. I was like, no, do not put the

1039
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: Jets in primetime on a circumstances that it's possible if

1040
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: they were winning in that could be, that could be

1041
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: the primetime game. This is going to be exciting in

1042
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: the a f C just from the quarterbacks alone. Like

1043
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 1: that's why I this is very you know, blue sky,

1044
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: but I would love for Miami to get in into

1045
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: way to play because you look at to Lamar Herbert

1046
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: my home burrows. Now that's possible if you're too if

1047
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: he's healthy. It needs to be. But let's do it.

1048
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's have some fun. I'm sure Buffalo needs

1049
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: to beat this. Uh when this Bengals game to keep

1050
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: that one seater. Euse Kansas City, who has two pretty

1051
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: easy games, probably gets into it. Hey, Grave Digger, I

1052
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: hate to put you on the spot here, but um,

1053
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: are forked teams? Do you have them on hand? By

1054
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: any chance? Give me like thirty just like I'll take

1055
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: Let's take a break, and when we come back from break,

1056
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: you'll give us the teams that we forked, which Hawk

1057
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: means a few weeks back, we deemed certain teams had

1058
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: no chance of making the playoffs and if we get

1059
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: them wrong, Greg gives to a charity. Um, I got

1060
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: a feeling we're in danger with multiple team Yeah, alright,

1061
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: we know who they are. Let's take a break. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a break back. Oh well, we're still taking a break.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back. All right, We're back as as promised.

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Speaker 1: If you're just joining us, Hawk is here, everybody, Um,

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Speaker 1: would you be weird because this is a podcast? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Justin what are the teams that we forked? About a

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00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: month plus one? All right, we are looking at the Packers,

1068
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals probably trouble cards were safe. Everyone's kind of saying like, Okay,

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00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: the Packers are back this and that they still have

1070
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: a game against the Vikings. Were in every game at

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00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: the very least in a game against the Lions, the

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00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: team of a t L that we believe in. So

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00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: I think that's still a very tough road to get road.

1074
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: But also not like deadly lies are the official team

1075
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: of the factors have also spoiled a lock for me

1076
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: like three or four times this year, So zero factor.

1077
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna keep spoiling stuff for people. At my pointy, Cardinals,

1078
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: they're probably done. Jaguar there they are, the jack Wires.

1079
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: We're in a lot of trouble with the Jags, Greg.

1080
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: I'd start looking into some duval Um food banks right

1081
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: now they're in at this point, I mean, the Titans

1082
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: have just gagged this away losing five stream Mark joined

1083
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: the bandwag help that woman with the lake or the

1084
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: seaside house, that our friend from the Jacksonville fan community.

1085
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: What else? Um Steelers? Why the forks for like four

1086
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: years to that if if if? Then it become just me,

1087
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys are cheap. What else? Cults Safe,

1088
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: super safe, Safe, feel good about that one, Browns with

1089
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: Nick Shook on that Sunday night pretty Safe. And finally

1090
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: the Panthers. Oh my god, this is officially the worst

1091
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: year we've ever each to one of these charities, with

1092
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: all three of these, the best part is like how

1093
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: confident you were in the moment for many of these

1094
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: two packers. In fairness to you, you were not confident

1095
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: And I know I tried to take it back, but

1096
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: it was too late. We'll see, all right. Before we

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00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: say goodbye, let's hit the TNF preview. And this TNF

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00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: preview is presented by Prime Video, the new exclusive home

1099
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: for Thursday Night Football. Grave Diggers stay with us here because,

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00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: as we established earlier, this game means nothing for the

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 1: Titans in the standings. They can't be the wild card.

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00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: They can win the division, but they can't win the

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00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: division unless they beat the Jaguars next week. Um do you?

1104
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: But they've also lost five in a row, so that's

1105
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: when it becomes the discussion. Do you try to start

1106
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: your guys and and try to get off the schneide

1107
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: ahead of that huge game, or do you rest guys?

1108
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of a weird somewhat depressing subplot to track

1109
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: ohead of this game. Yeah, we saw something slightly similar

1110
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: in the twenty nineteen season. The Titans had a Week

1111
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: sixteen back when they're only seventeen weeks. Week sixteen game

1112
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: against the Saints, and Derrick Henry was kind of questionable

1113
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: to play and they sat him for that game. Titans

1114
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: barely lost, but it didn't matter for the standings. He

1115
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: was back for the season finale and then he had

1116
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: that huge playoff run where he ran all over the

1117
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: Patriots and the Ravens. This year, I kind of expect

1118
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: something similar. Denico Autry, Zach Cunningham, Bud Dupree, Christian Fulton,

1119
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, a Mony Hooker, Nicholas Petit Frere, Ryan Tannehill,

1120
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons. These are all starters who are not practicing

1121
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: this week. I'd be pretty surprised if they played. This

1122
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: is basically a preseason game for the Titans. In terms

1123
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: of how much it matters, we should not have al

1124
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Michael's doing this game. I couldn't agree to keep Alan Malibu.

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00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: Send him to Moonshadows get a cocktail. I mean, even

1126
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: if they look they were trying their best to beat

1127
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: the one win Texans, and they didn't, you know, managed

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Speaker 1: to do that. So playing their best players is no

1129
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: guarantee that they would be competitive against the good God

1130
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: ask you a question, because like there's this lingering potential

1131
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: hope that Tannehill maybe would suit up in week eight

1132
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: team depending on the surgery. It sounds like a distance hope.

1133
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: But do you put Malik Willis out there? I know

1134
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: he needs as many snaps as possible, but if you ever,

1135
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: but if you lost him, what are you doing in

1136
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: week eighteen? Like you literally why not protect like your start?

1137
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: You're potentially only healthy starting already. Yeah, it's just likely,

1138
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: like they have to get him those rights. When Frabel said,

1139
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: like his answer about Malik Willis was, I think he's

1140
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: getting better, Like Rebels just sitting here being like, I

1141
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on at this point. I think

1142
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: he's emotionally probably pretty beat up. They need to come

1143
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: up with a game plan for week eighteen or centered

1144
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: around willis Is strength, his running. I thought you were

1145
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: a little hard on him, Grave Digger saying he hasn't

1146
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: shown as much running and he had a couple of

1147
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: great runs. He had two really good runs, but he

1148
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: also doesn't show like the feel for when to take

1149
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: off and when he can beat a guy out there

1150
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: telling him to stay to throw the ball. I did

1151
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: not be scrambling, and that's part of it. And just

1152
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: in case you're curious right now, and this could move

1153
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: considerably considering we don't know the sat of several of

1154
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: these Tennessee regulars. Dallas is already a double digit favorite

1155
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: here so this game and you think about their situation

1156
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: where they still have an outside shot of takeing NFC East,

1157
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: they put a little pressure on the Eagles. If they

1158
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: spank the Titans already put that twelve win in their bag,

1159
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Eagles might not have Jalen

1160
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: Hurts on the field against the Saints. And it gets

1161
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: a little bit interesting with Gardner Minshew on the field.

1162
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,479
Speaker 1: I'm finally in my fantasy league championship and Derrick Henry

1163
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: is my star player, so not exciting. I beat my

1164
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: son Greg. I know typically you know that he always

1165
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: whips me. Does it feel better to beat him or

1166
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: is it a better sweet to defeat him? I feel great,

1167
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: um and I love the kid, but he talks a

1168
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: lot of smacks, so it felt it felt good to

1169
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: get over get over the hump. Yeah, how about the

1170
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: Henry Um fumbles too, that's hurting your fantasy team. I

1171
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: mean that turned that game around. It is like a

1172
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: Murphy's Law situation for the Titans right now. They they

1173
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: needed him to be like at his very best and

1174
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: h Henry has not either. So the Cowboys it's one

1175
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: of those a little bit of a gift from the

1176
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: football gods, but they still got to go take care

1177
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: of this kind of a gift to get for either

1178
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: team a longer break before Week eight to they need.

1179
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: They need to work on some of their defensive pieces.

1180
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: They haven't been the same lately. I think they'll be

1181
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: excited to play this Titans offensive line parts and can

1182
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: rack up some sacks for like defensive player of the

1183
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: year like the second They need to feel good game

1184
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: on defense. Yeah, they have one sack in the last

1185
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: three weeks. The Cowboys doing They were shut out by

1186
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: Philadelphia last week. This this does profile with Tennessee's offensive

1187
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: line as a get healthy game where you can maybe

1188
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: get six or seven sacks and and everybody's flying high,

1189
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: get a huge lead and you can actually insert the

1190
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: guy who pretends he's Dak Prescott in the NFL Pro Era,

1191
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: ad like into this game. That's how the quarterback game. Alright,

1192
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: good stuff. That was the t NF preview presented by

1193
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: Prime Video. The new era of Thursday n Football is

1194
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: officially here, and it's only on Prime Video. Um, Hawk,

1195
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: you've said it all. You've you've come here, You've launched

1196
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: a company day that is uh provides the first fully

1197
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: licensed NFL virtual reality simulation game. I mean that no

1198
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: one else on earth could ever duplicate that. You've just

1199
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Speaker 1: thought it was lip service debut. Nobody leaves no debut

1200
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: and gets out alive. Um, and yet you've done it.

1201
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: So check out NFL Pro Era. Um. What else you

1202
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: got going on? You're gonna be this weekend? I feel

1203
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: like you're very active, man. Maybe there's a stand up

1204
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: special coming out telling no no stand up. I got

1205
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: some things coming in twenty three. I'll come back on

1206
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: in promo those cool? Alright, very good? Alright, So Hawk,

1207
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Speaker 1: thank you, great digging everybody behind the glass, thank you.

1208
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Speaker 1: What do we gotta come up this week? Got Thursday

1209
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: preview show? What do you got going on? I'm doing

1210
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: all the things you're doing this essentially, you know, my

1211
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: activity person the life of what's going on. We're not

1212
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Speaker 1: gonna take into that right now. It's getting a lot

1213
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: of buzz on YouTube. I got the Power Rankings of

1214
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: Powers podcast with Connie Fox and myself. Whicheck got the

1215
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: QB Index. Uh. Greggy's game picks Hawks game. Oh man,

1216
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of cooking. He's a call